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Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Bob getting here for Almost Famous the OG Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm without my faithful partner in crime, Trista Sutter Nae Wren.

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Speaker 2: But today we are very excited to bring back a

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Speaker 2: wonderful guest, doctor Travis Stork. You'll know doctor Travis Stork

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Speaker 2: from the eighth season of The Bachelor as well as

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Speaker 2: fourteen seasons of TVs The Doctors where he was the

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Speaker 2: host and just an awesome guy. I love this guy.

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Speaker 2: He's such a great guest as well. He's willing to

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Speaker 2: talk about everything. So we're going to get into it

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Speaker 2: a little bit today because last night he was on

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Speaker 2: the show, we didn't really get into much about his

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Speaker 2: particularly unique season of The Bachelor. I spent mine in

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Speaker 2: a now completely foreclosed mansion in Malibu, not complaining because

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Speaker 2: it was still awesome. He, on the other hand, was

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Speaker 2: in this glorious castle in Paris, so we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into that. We're also going to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 2: some myths, maybe some food myths, some medical myths that

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Speaker 2: are out there, and we're also going.

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Speaker 1: To find out, you know, what his favorite medical drama is.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot in store for you. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. Let's bring him in, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Travis Stork. How goes it? Hey, Hey, what's up, buddy?

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Speaker 1: How are you let me dream? How about you?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the same man, that's the same. We had

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Speaker 2: so much fun with you last time on the show.

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Speaker 2: We thought we got to bring you back and catch

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Speaker 2: up and check in with you. Are you Are you

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Speaker 2: still on sabbatical or where are you at with things

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a few things in the health space entrepreneurially,

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Speaker 1: but you know, primarily, as you know, the job number one,

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Speaker 1: two and three right now is daddy. I was going

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Speaker 1: to say, right around the house, you and me both, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Definitely makes it easy to kind of do an occasional

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Speaker 2: podcast from my guest room upstairs.

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Speaker 1: That it makes makes me feel better when you post

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Speaker 1: stuff about you being on vacation and the reality of

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Speaker 1: a life. Yeah, no, thank you man. Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: My My wife has become this this She really loves

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Speaker 1: doing Instagram stuff right and and I just don't really

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. So I'm always like, just run with it,

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Speaker 1: put these like video montages together and everything, and for me,

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Speaker 1: it really is I'm just like, man, I'm getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of good time with my kids. I actually had

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Speaker 1: someone say to me the other day. They were like,

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Speaker 1: so do you even work, Like what's your job?

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Speaker 2: Because I mean, you know, all you do is vacation.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on, I have kids, man, and they're

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Speaker 2: under six, so there's no such thing as vacation. All

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Speaker 2: it is is going to a different ZIP coding having

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Speaker 1: Exceptance even a harder that's totally I've done with a

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Speaker 1: big trip to Colorado. And yeah, the kids obviously are

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Speaker 1: And then the reset.

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Speaker 2: Then you come home and it's like, what the hell,

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Speaker 2: I might as well never have had a bedtime for

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Speaker 2: these kids because we're We went we went to Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: hanging out with our friends, and man, every night it

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Speaker 2: Eight, and it was tough to get them off the

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Speaker 2: I'm negotiating to get my six year old to lay down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're in the staying right now. After back,

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Speaker 1: I'm all of yours, No, buddy, trust me, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was open to hear it from you. Both of

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Speaker 2: to the you know, the unique Bachelor experience you had.

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Speaker 2: And we were talking about it earlier and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, we were in Malibu, and you know, our

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Speaker 2: And then four seasons later, doctor Travis storks filming in Paris.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you got to do so pretty

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was interesting, you know. I like

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Speaker 2: How did that decision come about, And how did you

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Speaker 1: In retrospect, those were six of the most amazing weeks

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Speaker 2: I was thinking my experience was amazing, and then I

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation thing. It was like it got condemned, if

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Speaker 2: not after my season, I think after Jesse Palmer season.

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Speaker 2: know you almost and I know how they do it,

430
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Speaker 2: you know, with the production side of things, where you

431
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Speaker 2: almost have to act like you're the one that plan

432
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Speaker 2: the date or you're the one that came up with

433
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Speaker 2: this idea for the day today today, today, My idea

434
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Speaker 2: is to take us to the top of the Eiffel

435
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Speaker 2: Tower and we're going to have dinner, right, And they'll

436
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, I chose you, Debbie, And

437
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: in fact, you were handed a card that said You're.

438
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Speaker 1: Taking Debbie to the top of the Eiffel Tower for dinner.

439
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Speaker 2: You know, You're like, great, okay, you know, And I

440
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: always thought that was a funny part too.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean that had to be interesting. I would imagine

442
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Speaker 1: acting like you've been there before, you know, when you

443
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Speaker 1: had you been to Paris before at all? Or was

444
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Speaker 1: that your first you know, the old school they say

445
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Speaker 1: backpacking through Europe? Yeah, two Europe. Yeah, it's one of you.

446
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Speaker 1: You know, got the train ticket and on ten bucks

447
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Speaker 1: a day, went from hospital to hospital. So yeah, I'd

448
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449
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Speaker 1: Back to the Adventures you go, And obviously I think

469
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: people understand now there's a huge production team. It's not

470
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: like you just show. It's not like you ride up

471
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: to the top of the Eiffel Tower and just have

472
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: a buffet of food there. Like, there's now a ton

473
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: of people that even we all sort of become friends

474
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: with them, and we know how much work they're putting in.

475
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: But the most fun that I had, ironically, they're like, hey, Travis,

476
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: what would be you know, what would be your ideal height?

477
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, we've been doing all these

478
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: extravagant things. It's almost too much. And if I'm really

479
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: going to get to know some of these people, I'd

480
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: love to do a camping trip. Nice we did ten'mores

481
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff, And I know it was probably rudimentary

482
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: compared to all the other really eccentric things we were doing,

483
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: but it was really cool because it was it was

484
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Speaker 1: actually you know, it was a concept. I was like,

485
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Speaker 1: this would make a lot of sense right now because

486
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 1: we're at a point in this process where I just

487
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I really want to figure out what does this look

488
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: like without without all the glitz and glamor of yeah, right,

489
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: because you know, you can get confused and you're trying

490
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: to like figure everything time, trying to figure out, Okay,

491
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: what's this going to look like if I go back home?

492
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Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the coolest nights

493
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Speaker 1: I had, just because it was it was about a fire, slores,

494
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: a tent, stars, and just same conversations you would have

495
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: if you were out camping anywhere in the world. Yeah,

496
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: it just so happened. You know that there were a

497
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: few cameras there, sure, Yeah, I had some if you

498
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Speaker 1: know gab it.

499
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's great that you even had the

500
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Speaker 2: wherewithal to make that call, you know what I mean,

501
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people in that moment

502
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, I don't know, whatever you guys

503
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: think you know, and it's great that you put something

504
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: out there that meant something to you, because you're right, man, you.

505
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: Can't get super.

506
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, like I said, we're in this little

507
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: bubble when you're doing it, and you can get kind

508
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: of almost like run down in these moments where you're like, oh,

509
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: here we are in Gaye Perry. Here I am taking

510
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: a helicopter into a volcano. It's like I remember saying

511
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: on my season at a Rose ceremony, I really thought.

512
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: I honestly thought that they were going to use it.

513
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: So it was funny.

514
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: And I remember saying, you know, I got my roast,

515
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, ladies, before we get started,

516
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: I just want to say, this is no prize. This

517
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: is a lot of work here, right, And you know,

518
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: those of you who are getting set home tonight, you're welcome.

519
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: And for those of you are estate, I'm from Detroit, man,

520
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: And it's part that it's party that I tell you guys,

521
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: we don't take volcano volcano tours and helicopters in Detroit.

522
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not what we're doing there. We do a

523
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: bunch of fun stuff, but that ain't it.

524
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know, someone will like the stuff I like,

525
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, and so I love that you and I

526
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: said all that, and I'm like, this is gold Man,

527
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: this is good.

528
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: They're going to use it for sure.

529
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: Never made the show, and you know, so I'm glad

530
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: that you put your foot down a little bit.

531
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: Was like, hey, why don't we do something that I

532
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: want to do?

533
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: And you know, and it's interesting too because so I

534
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: didn't get engaged on my season. And I don't know

535
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: if people remember this or not, but you didn't get

536
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: engaged on your season either, right, And I mean were

537
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: you kind of deep into the process and where you

538
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: kind of made a mental note like I don't think

539
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: I'm ready to marry these people or or was it

540
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: more like I think I want to continue because my

541
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: thing was more like I wanted to try dating away

542
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: from all of that, you know, because I had been,

543
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: you know, in a long term relationship before and I

544
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: didn't want to be the guy that was just racking

545
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: up weddings like ross from friends, you know. I wanted

546
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: to be somebody who was trying to be mindful. Where

547
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: were you at with that decision at that time? Like

548
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: if you can recall and did the producers. When they

549
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: found out you weren't going to propose, they try to

550
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: change your mind.

551
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone knew that I was going

552
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: into this authentically, and I highly doubted that I was

553
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: going to come to the end of the experience and

554
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: be engaged. Obviously I didn't. But I think one of

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: the things that I have with and I'm just gonna

556
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: speak frankly, is I think people feel external pressure on

557
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: the show to get engaged. And I think it's perfectly

558
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: fine and appropriate to get engaged, but only to do

559
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: so if that's the right thing for you, right to

560
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: your point. You know, it's one thing. It's one thing

561
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: to be going on all these dates, particularly in my season,

562
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: where you're all over Europe and you're just doing all

563
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: these wonderful things, and another party is like, Okay, here's

564
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: the reality. I'm an the Yard doc on this particular night.

565
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 1: There's a more than likely chance I'm not even going

566
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: to be home and right I'm probably gonna have blood

567
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: on my shoes. Yeah, there's not going to be you know,

568
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: s cargo waiting for you. What's gonna be right, We're

569
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna throw my clothes in the in the washer and

570
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, conk out and that's just the reality of

571
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: life is very different. I think I think it's important,

572
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: at least for me, it was important to not forget

573
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: that there's this real life back in the States and

574
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: not to or not to confuse the two. And I again, look,

575
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: there was always a chance, right if you meet the one,

576
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it doesn't matter whether you're on the

577
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Bachelor or the Bachelorette, whether you're on TV, you're at

578
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the coffee shop. And I think my biggest takeaway and

579
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: the older I've gotten, I've always said this. I think

580
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to meeting someone, it's back to the

581
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Helen Keller quote. Life is either during an adventure or nothing.

582
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: You've got to put yourself out there. But the one

583
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: thing cannot do is ver put pressure on your cell

584
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: because adding that pressure, I think makes it more difficult.

585
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: And if you feel like, oh my gosh, I've got

586
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: to if you're really this is my home opinion, if

587
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: you're really that confused between four different people, and I

588
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I can't just I'm just wanted to give a tube.

589
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I think it's probably best to not get engaged. The

590
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: answer is no one. Yeah, well, i'd agree with you

591
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: on that one man. Whenever people come down to the end,

592
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and they you know, I think back in

593
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: the day, especially, you know, when everyone used the word

594
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: amazing five thousand times because we were repeating what the

595
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: producers would say to us. You know, you know, repeat

596
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Speaker 1: what I say to you in my question so that

597
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: you know the audience at home knows it. Today I

598
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: had an amazing day with Debbie, Rnda and Ronda.

599
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: It was amazing, right, And I think that a lot

600
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: of times they'll say, you know, I'm so confused, I

601
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, and I get it. I get being confused

602
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: because I mean, you know, let's not kill ourselves. They're

603
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: not casting any slouches on this show, right. Everybody on

604
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: the show's in alpha. You know, they've always been the

605
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: one who achieves, the captain of the chier leading team,

606
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: the president of the class, you know, the whole bet.

607
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: But but they don't.

608
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Ever ask, you know, before they go on the show,

609
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: like you know, well they I guess they do ask, you.

610
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: Know, are you ready to get married?

611
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: And the answer is always yes, right, But the real

612
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: question should be, you know, are you ready to go

613
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: through a period of the biggest uncertainty of your life

614
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: and at the end, have someone and be able to

615
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: watch this back at home, by the way, have someone

616
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: basically say any of the exact same stuff he's saying

617
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: to you. Got a job to do, right, He's got

618
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: to get this show to a certain pay where everyone's

619
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: up in the air and wonder what's going on.

620
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he gives you the ring. Right.

621
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: So we've had seasons where they've said I love you

622
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: to more than one woman. We've had seasons where they've promised.

623
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: That this more than one woman instead of the last

624
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: one's standing and getting the engagement ring. I thought, I

625
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: really did think when I was on the season, as

626
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: on my season, I thought I was doing the right thing,

627
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: not proposing and trying to figure out where things would

628
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: go with the cameras off. That it wasn't you know,

629
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't like I thought that I was being I

630
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: was trying to be as genuine as I could be

631
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: with that decision, because I didn't want to mess anybody's

632
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: life up, you know, by taking away that first in

633
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: their life of an engagement when I wasn't sure where

634
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: my head was at, you know, and it wasn't what

635
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: I did know was I wasn't ready to get engaged.

636
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: That was the one thing I did know.

637
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Right and I but I was also kind of like,

638
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: I like both of these girls, but you know which

639
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 2: one do I think I have the best chance of

640
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: having a long term relationship.

641
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose this one, but I'm not ready

642
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: to get engaged.

643
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, I always thought that was just

644
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: such a noble move, you know, and then you get

645
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: so much backlash after you don't propose. People are just

646
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: beside themselves with their opinions. Did you Did you face

647
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: any of the backlash after the show?

648
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I at the same time,

649
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't really paying attention to it. I think that

650
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: gets back to the only thing you can do is

651
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: have your own individual, authentic experience, be true to yourself,

652
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: be true to also when you're staying true to the

653
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: people on the show with you, so that you get

654
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: if you're you know, I can't sit here and say

655
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: to you that if I did the Bachelor experience over again,

656
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: which obviously I'm not going to because I'm married, and

657
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get me. It's it's not a you know,

658
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: do you get engaged. Will you get engaged? It's if

659
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you meet the person on the show that you genuinely

660
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: feel like you want to get married to. I think

661
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: it is perfectly appropriate to get engaged where I have

662
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: excused back to what you just said. And I'm not

663
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: going to name names, but you know, there are times

664
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: for my wife and I will tune into the show

665
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and I see someone like literally telling four or five

666
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: people in a row how much they love them. They've

667
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: never loved like this, And ONCET day it's like, I

668
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: love you so much. I love it, and you're like,

669
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: this is also to air. Yeah, you do realize you

670
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: got to go home right and see your friends and family.

671
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: No one ever going to believe you ever again. And

672
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: when you love you love them because you know it's

673
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, throwing that word out that cumfortably that often.

674
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: That's like to me, that is less authentic, and getting

675
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: engaged at the end of that is almost a disservice

676
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to I actually think it's really great when

677
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like, again, it's not like I'm sitting

678
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: there pouring over every episode of every season, but when

679
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: I've tuned in with my wife and you see the authenticity,

680
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's literally as simple as like, you know

681
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: what I had to I had to send so and

682
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: so home because like I was so in love with

683
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: whoever they end up choosing it, it's just like right

684
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: for this other person to play this game anymore. And

685
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think that is like not only

686
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: authentic and awesome, but it like ironically is TV gold too,

687
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: because it's just like this person found their other person

688
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: and done playing the game, and they've been honest about it,

689
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, that's what this is. The whole journey's about.

690
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily being on to the last three or

691
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: four and be like oh Anie meanie mining bo. And

692
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I think the best seasons are the ones where two people,

693
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: whether they get engaged or not, but two people meet

694
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: that really have a connection and it becomes obvious at

695
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: the very end like that. That's it. The ones where yeah,

696
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: where you're like, how like I'm sorry, dude, but you

697
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: can't love seven people at once that you like it's

698
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: just not possible. Well, you know, it's funny, I think too.

699
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: I think, like to what you're saying, people making that

700
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: kind of a decision where they're like, like you said,

701
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm sending this one home because I'm just so way

702
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: to this one that it's not fair to do this anymore.

703
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: I love that because back in I think back in

704
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: the early years, they kind of held you to that

705
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: script more. And now when people kind of go off,

706
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: I feel like it really legitimizes the show too, like

707
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: it helps the show, right, like the show actually, I

708
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: think I think the producers finally realized to what your

709
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: point is was, like, man, this is actually starting to

710
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: get like a real relational response as opposed to a

711
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: TV show response. That's way better. People actually get it

712
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: like that. You can't really find love from this thing, right,

713
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: I didn't, You didn't. But I also think of it

714
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: like from the butterfly effect, Like if I hadn't done it,

715
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: maybe I wouldn't have met my wife, we wouldn't have

716
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: our two kids now, right, because things right, Everything happens.

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: For a reason. I'm introduced to my wife by a

718
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: mutual friend named Chris Stramberg. Chris Cupcake was on the Bachelorette.

719
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: He is a dentist. He came on The Doctors as

720
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: a guest lived in Nashville. I got to be friends

721
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: with Chris I'm in Nashville, Chris, and Chris is like,

722
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: you know what I asked when I think you should

723
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: meet I would never have met my wife if I

724
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: wasn't on the Bachelor. There you go. Yeah, you're a

725
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: direct connect for that.

726
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Well done. Now I do have a question about that.

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: Did you fall in love with your wife because of

728
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: your experience in Paris? And her name was Paris? Just

729
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: got to put it out that, of course the reason I.

730
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: Found love in Paris? You did, indeed, my Fred all right,

731
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: So one I wanted to right now.

732
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: This is going to be fun because I also realized

733
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: that I am I'm getting older, and as I get older,

734
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: I need medical advice. So I have some questions I

735
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: want to ask you. I want to rapid fire with you.

736
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this is nothing you're not used to from

737
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: your express Bob. Internal hemorrhoids are painless. External hemorhoids are

738
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: the ones that cause pain. So i'd check question. Finally, Okay,

739
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: thank you. I didn't have to say it. I really

740
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: appreciate that was my private text message to you earlier,

741
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: but I appreciate you asking that one.

742
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: All right.

743
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: One of the things that drives me crazy about I

744
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: don't even know. I guess it would be the FDA

745
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: or the nutrition stuff. Is like you'll hear everything's bad

746
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: for you. Then you'll hear, okay, now it's good for

747
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: you egg yolks, right, Like they'll say, oh, yeah, you

748
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: know you egg whites only, and now all of a sudden,

749
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: egg yolks are good for you. Red meat, red meat's

750
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: bad for you, don't eat it. Now, it's like red

751
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: meat's good for you. What do you think about all

752
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff? Like, I know this is this

753
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: isn't even meant to be funny. This is really meant

754
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: to be more informational because I appreciate your opinion on

755
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: this stuff, and I loved watching when you.

756
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: Around the doctors. So I may be a little bit

757
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: more emphatic in this than most people. But my theory

758
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: is always like, all right, so how was this mais

759
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: made or raised? So for instance, let's use gummy bears, right,

760
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: So I buy my kids gummy bears that have nothing

761
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: but fruit in them. They're great eggs. So if if

762
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat a highly nutritious egg where you know

763
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: the in the like laid, that egg has this like

764
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: decent life eating good food, Like that's going to be

765
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: a higher quality egg. Yep, it's like red meat. You know,

766
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: I come from a family of farmers in Nebraska, and

767
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. On their farm, the red meat,

768
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: the animals were conventionally raised fed corn primarily high high

769
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: carb diets and like even put on antibiox to fatten

770
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: them all. Like it is like you eat that red meat,

771
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: you're going to get some of the after effects of

772
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: all of that as opposed to you know, brass fed

773
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: free rage. And again, my theory has always been less

774
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: is more, higher quality is better. And at the end

775
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: of the day, like for things that I'm a big guy, right,

776
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: so I need to eat enough calories to get through

777
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the day. Like my go tos are always things like

778
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: nuts and beans and the things that are quite frankly

779
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: going to fill me up without filling me out. But

780
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: when it comes out eggs, you know, we went I

781
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: went to medical school. That was the phase of don't

782
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: eat anything with fat and it don't eat anything with cholesterol.

783
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: But now I eat probably two eggs a day. Yeah,

784
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: and for me it's because you're fifty four, right, I'm

785
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: fifty four. Yeah, Well I'm fifty three and at our

786
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: age once you get past fifty, like, we've got to

787
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: get that proch more so than we do when we're younger.

788
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: And it's a great protein other nutrients. So absolutely, red meats.

789
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Another example where you know, I grew up eating red

790
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: meat every meal because again my family's background, and I

791
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: got so sick of it. I was honestly just like,

792
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to eat any more

793
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: red meat. So I went through a phase where I

794
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: pretty much cut out red meat, was eating you know,

795
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: white meat, fish, things like that. Now, again, I'm in

796
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: my fifties, and I appreciate when I eat a good

797
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: piece of red meat, oh that I'm getting nutrients that

798
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: I may not otherwise get. I don't do it every meal,

799
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: and I'm also you like, if I'm going to eat

800
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: a piece of red meat, I would rather do it

801
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: less frequently and get a really good filet or something

802
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. A great example is just coming back

803
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: from Colorado. One of the things I love when I'm

804
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: out in Colorado is you know, wherever you go, you

805
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: can always find grass fed beef on the Mayia. Yeah,

806
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I love it too. I love it out there. That's

807
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: why Ben Haygen looks so damn good. All he does

808
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: is sit there and eat all this grass bed stuff,

809
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, I was that was the roundabout

810
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: way of saying that. I think that rules tend to

811
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: create problems when it's like when we just chastise entire

812
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: food groups because same thing. Look, there are people out

813
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: there who will tell you never eat a vegetable and

814
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: the only thing red meat. Yeah, I don't think in

815
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: life is balance balance, And it is okay too, Like

816
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go with a cappuccino and all, man,

817
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm too evil. I can't help them. But I'm

818
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: fifty three. I've got family history of things like diabetes.

819
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: I've got to like watch out for everything from cholesterol,

820
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: et cetera. Like I will all say, okay, cappuccino always

821
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: like hole, No, Like, well, is it this is anal?

822
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Is it organic? Yeah? No, there's the profile of that

823
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: health wise is very different, right, you know. It's again

824
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: that's just part of where my brain has developed over

825
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: the years. And I've seen how much food can play

826
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: a role. And uh, overall all this, I'm sure you've

827
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: seen a lot too.

828
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of the worst sides of that

829
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: stuff in your practice over the years too. I'm sure

830
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: even before you know, before you were even doing the

831
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: TV stuff where I mean, I remember watching one episode

832
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: of The Doctors where you were talking about obesity. You're

833
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: talking about you know, in that all stem from the

834
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: food that they were eating, and I honestly it made

835
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: me think about this when I was thinking about this today,

836
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: was what about the big thing going on right now

837
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: with like such easy access to like ozembic and wag

838
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: I know, the wazoo or whatever they're called, Like there's

839
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of names for them now, these GLP ones.

840
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I see it on my side of things,

841
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 2: which is like the insurance side of things, I see

842
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: that there's you know, so many more claims now like

843
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 2: gastrointestno claims, things of that nature. And I'm curious about

844
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that. I mean, part of me is like, hey,

845
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: it's great that people who are obese and neat assistance

846
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: are getting it right, but you know, I'm not sure

847
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: how great it is for people who don't need that

848
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: assistance and just needed have died an exercise, But they're

849
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: skipping that step and they're going straight to the to

850
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: the shots of the pills.

851
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, what are your thoughts on that kind of

852
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff too? I agree, I agree with you. I think

853
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: there is a population out there that greatly benefits from

854
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: these medications, and I think they can be life savers.

855
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: I think I also have friends who literally are my age,

856
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: who are not diabetic, they're not even severely overweight, and

857
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: yet they want to take this little short cut, and

858
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on right, this is ridiculous, this is

859
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: this is not what these are designed for. I think

860
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: the shortcut mentality, if anything, it's going to give you

861
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: a short cut. In my humble opinion, to the grave.

862
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I think every life gets back to balance. But if

863
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: you want to live a long life, even more than exercise,

864
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: what you eat is number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yes,

865
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: exercise and strength training is actually as you get older,

866
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: is hugely important because lean muscle mass, the more you

867
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: have of it, honestly, the more your body is going

868
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: to just do a great job of internally burning calories.

869
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: But the problem with with these drugs, and my humble opinion,

870
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: is when the wrong people start taking them, Like if

871
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: I started taking it right now, it's realistically going to

872
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: help me lose some weight, but there's also a very

873
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: good chance that it's going to slightly shift my profile

874
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: where I might lose the lean muscle mass, right, which

875
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: but it weighs more, so you lose Yeah, yeah, you're

876
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: losing weight, but if you're losing lean muscle mass, that

877
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: is not a good thing. So if you're you're obese

878
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: and you need this to help you improve your LUCAS

879
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: levels and lose weight and get healthier, it's a great

880
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: medicine and a great class. Yeah, but what I've seen

881
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: in my career in Western medicine is i'll just call

882
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: it the abuse of medications within the system, and it's

883
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: augmented by you know, patients don't feel like they're getting

884
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: taken care of if you don't give them a medicine. Yeah,

885
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: it's ironic because here I have the power to prescribe

886
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: and I'll be completely transparent. A couple of years ago,

887
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I had to start taking a medication for blood pressure

888
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: because I have familiar hy pretension and I just I

889
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: need it otherwise I'm and so again, these can be

890
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: life savers, but you know, taking more medicines is never

891
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: going to be the answer at the end of the day.

892
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: If you can commit to if you can simplify your

893
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: diet to for the most part eating those fluids, then

894
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: we know help you live longer. Yeah, that's the way

895
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: to do it. And it's like da out and it's

896
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: if you want to look as good as Bob Guiney,

897
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: that's what you do. Play a lot of golf and

898
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: drink a lot of vodka. That's what you do.

899
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: That's about it. That's my regiment as of late. I actually,

900
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, I love I love hearing you say that,

901
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: because I went. I think I may have told you

902
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: this before, but I went and got my first blood

903
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 2: panel done at fifty two. I hadn't even done it before.

904
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean maybe i'd done it years past that I

905
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: don't remember it. And my cholesterol and I was always

906
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 2: and my wife will tell you this, I would always go, well,

907
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: I'm not my stuff's great. You know, I had no idea.

908
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have any health conditions, but I do have

909
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: family history of heart disease, diabetes, things of that nature.

910
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: And so I went got a blood panel done and

911
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: it came back with my cholesterol, my bad cholesterol with

912
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: sky hot. Now I know that some people have an

913
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: opinion about that because the numbers shift, you know, according

914
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: to that. But the one thing I did not want

915
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: to do was be put out a statin. Right, So

916
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, talking to my doctor. I'm like, I

917
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: don't want to do that. It's like, why am I?

918
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Because I've heard that once you do it, you never

919
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: can come off of that. And I don't want to

920
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: be on anything for the rest of my life. And

921
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, so what can I do. He's like, he's

922
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: a buddy. He's like, yeah, I lose like fifteen twenty pounds.

923
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: You do that, it might help your cholesterol at least

924
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: from that standpoint. If you're not, you know, it might

925
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: help you lose weight, might may help you your other panels.

926
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: And then you got to like you said, we got

927
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: to watch what you eat, you know. I'm like, well,

928
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm eating a lot of salmon. I'm eating a lot

929
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: of chicken. He's like, if it's not if it's farm

930
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: raised salmon, then don't eat it, right, He's like, if

931
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: it's this, He's like, because you don't know what goes

932
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: into it. If it's this and this and this, and

933
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: it was very similar to what you just said. He's like,

934
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: you know, if it's free range, if it's this, then

935
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: you can feel comfortable eating it.

936
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: But he was a big believer of that.

937
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: He was like, you put margarine out on your porch,

938
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: and you put butter out on your porch, and watch

939
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: that there are no flies or bugs in the margarine.

940
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: He's like, they all go to the butter because they

941
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: know that's the real stuff and this is the fake stuff. Right.

942
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: So he's like, and it was kind of an interesting

943
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: way to think about it. And you know, I really

944
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: did do that. I cut back a lot on what

945
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: I was drinking, but it was definitely one of those

946
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: things where it was like, you know, kind of tied

947
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: it to your point. I was like, it's ninety five

948
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: percent of what I put in my mouth and five

949
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: percent of what I'm doing on the bench.

950
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: Right.

951
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: It's like that's and I and I started realizing that

952
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: I kind of had it backwards all those years. I

953
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: thought I was working out so I could eat whatever

954
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: I want, when in.

955
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: Fact I needed to kind of do it the other

956
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: way around, right, I needed to eat what I should

957
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, workout. So I looked the way

958
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: I want, you know, I think we've all kind of

959
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: gone through that metamorphosis, especially when you're younger. You know,

960
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: you're so focused on the vanity element of oh, you know,

961
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do five sets of bench press here, and yeah,

962
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to think about what I'm gonna

963
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: eat afterwards, And you know, you get to our age

964
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, if I can get if

965
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I do one set of bench press and spend maybe

966
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: a few more minutes thinking about what I'm gonna eat,

967
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: that's probably the better payoff. By the way, well, I

968
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: have to say one thing for anyone listening, and we've

969
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: done this in our own lives, so much like you

970
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: covid hit, you have kids, ouver eats, you know, you

971
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: start hitting the easy button. I have to say that

972
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: one of the most important things is if you're eating out,

973
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: take the time to find out what oils they use.

974
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: Because I actually went from having really good cholesterol numbers

975
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: to mine skyrocketed over the last few years. And part

976
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: of that's because, like anyway, like most of my meals,

977
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: yes we eat at home, but you find yourself more

978
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: often than not, or more often than before, hitting that

979
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: easy button, and you may even be wordering something that

980
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: you think is sort of healthy, but if it's made

981
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: it really be oils like peanut oil, things like that. Yeah,

982
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: and so I think the biggest thing is just understanding,

983
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: Like for me, if a restaurant only used to say

984
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: avocado oil or olive oil, like that's a thumbs up.

985
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: And then also just pay attention because sometimes I notice

986
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: some of my favorite restaurants in Nashville, we'd eat it

987
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: and it was supposedly healthy, and I'd always feel after,

988
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, and then you find out like maybe they're

989
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: using way too many oils. Maybe they're I'm not willing

990
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: at this stage in my life to sacrifice my long

991
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: term hell just because the restaurant chooses to you should

992
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: be oils as of oils that I know, I think

993
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: of all oil is a lubricant for my arteries, and

994
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: I think if some of the others is absolute standpaper

995
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: right like just cause you to stop. Yeah, totally you

996
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: and I you know, you get to this age where

997
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, I had that atrial fibrillation episode a couple

998
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: of years ago. I've got like you, all of a sudden,

999
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: this is no longer about hey, this is what you

1000
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: should do to be healthy. This is like, hey, this

1001
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: is what I do because God's honest truth. Like, I

1002
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: don't want to die of a heart attack tomorrow. Right,

1003
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: It's quite possible if these little, small decisions, I call

1004
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: them small decisions you make every day. But if you

1005
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: make that same decision every single day. Let's say your

1006
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: favorite restaurant uses really bad oils and you eat that

1007
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: meal every day, that could be the thing that cuts

1008
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: ten years off your life.

1009
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: Like yeah, crazy for us. We got at our age,

1010
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: we got young kids. It's like, that's the last thing.

1011
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no intention of not being there,

1012
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, for my boys' weddings, high school and college graduations.

1013
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: You know, granted, I'm gonna be the dude on the

1014
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: walker that they're going go, oh, your grandpa is at

1015
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: your tea ball game. Huh nice, But that's okay. I'm

1016
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: prepared for that, prepared for people talking smack. But you know,

1017
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I'm there, you know, so

1018
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: for the long run. And that yeah, to your point,

1019
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's when I started making different decisions, right,

1020
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 2: Like you said, small decisions that you make every day,

1021
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: but it really is a decision that can change things.

1022
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I loved it so well. Amen, I

1023
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: love having you on the show.

1024
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: Man.

1025
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Next time I'm in Nashville. I'm calling

1026
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: you so we can hang out because I want that.

1027
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: I want to spend some time with you and get

1028
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: to know Paris. And you have golf courses and we

1029
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: have vodka here, so we're good to go. These are

1030
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: things I do, These are my things.

1031
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: All right. I love it, man, Thank you. It will

1032
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: definitely make sure we do a last last question of

1033
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: my doctor thing today. Uh, were you a Gray's Anatomy

1034
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: guy or an er guy? What was your show? I'm

1035
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: more r I mean it's yeah. Would you say it's

1036
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: more accurate? Was it er more accurate too? Like to depictions?

1037
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: Are you know? I didn't know at the time because

1038
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't yet an r wctor. But one of the

1039
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: things that they do in that show, or did in

1040
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: that show, is they tried to make it as accurate

1041
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: as possible, which is so cool. You think that half

1042
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: the time you're in the hospital, you're having sex in

1043
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: the call room, right, never done that? Like when I've

1044
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: been in the hospital, I'm like working, it's not You're right, yes,

1045
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: it happens, But what dr what's cool about that show

1046
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: is and I love this about television. The one thing

1047
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: I love about television is like, if you TV in

1048
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: the right way, can really like bring things to life

1049
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: like that, the chaos that you feel when you I

1050
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of fell in love with it. Yeah, and atual

1051
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: reality of being in the ER, you fall in love

1052
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: with it because the adrenaline of it all. The last

1053
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: thing you ever feel is boor You're just like, right, oh,

1054
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: vote here, here, here you and then yeah, ten hours later,

1055
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: your bladder's completely full and you're like, oh my god,

1056
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: what just happened was Yeah, it was something. And you know,

1057
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: you get to the end of watching an hour of

1058
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: ER and I'm sure a lot of people listening problemly

1059
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: they may not even remember, but you get to the

1060
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: end of an hour of watching that show and you're like, wow,

1061
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, I'm tired, I need to get I'm spent.

1062
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: Well, now there's the Pit, right. Noah Wiley came out

1063
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: with the show The Pit. Have you watched that one?

1064
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Speaker 1: I watched one episode. I want to watch the rest,

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Speaker 1: but my wife, My wife literally said, why do you

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Speaker 1: want to watch this? This is just what you do

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Speaker 1: at work? And I'm like, well, I'm bringing it. Well,

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Speaker 1: now they're doing it. And so now she comes back

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Speaker 1: to me a few weeks after we watch the first

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Speaker 1: she's like, oh, I read the reviews are great. We

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Speaker 1: should watch it. Like you've tried to talk to me

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Speaker 1: out of it. What do you thought we need to

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Speaker 1: talk about bears.

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Speaker 2: I'll watch it with hey Man, Well, if we should,

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Speaker 2: probably binge watch it together so.

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Speaker 1: We can be ready for our next interview. All right,

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Speaker 1: the next thing can be called the the og goes

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Speaker 1: into the Pit. There you go. I like it. E's

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Speaker 1: as good. This is good. Producers take note. Well, hey Man,

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure having you on.

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Speaker 2: Brother, Thank you so much for coming to the show,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for sharing what going on with your life.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about the stuff you're working on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we can get into that next time, and and

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Speaker 2: hear about you know, the direction you're going with those

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Speaker 2: entrepreneurial ideas. But I'm sure they're going to be great

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Speaker 2: and hugely successful, because I just that's what I expect

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Speaker 2: from you, my friends. So keep up the good work

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Speaker 2: and keep it the good dad, and well, and this

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Speaker 2: is fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: For both of us. That over the next few weeks

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Speaker 1: our kids start going to bed earlier. Amen, buddy, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. I am with you. Cheers to you, brother,

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Speaker 1: Take are you tre Travis Doctor Travis Stork? God?

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Speaker 2: I love that guy, man, I swear to god, I

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Speaker 2: think he and I would just be the absolute best

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Speaker 2: of buddies if we lived close by. But we're gonna

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Speaker 2: figure it out when I go to Nashville next time.

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Speaker 2: So thank you all so much for listening in here

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Speaker 2: and watching almost famous OG podcasts. I am Bob Guiney,

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Speaker 2: of course without my faithful partner in crime, Trista Sutter.

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Speaker 1: Nay Wren, but thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you find the podcast anywhere you find podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see you next time.