1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know? 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Runhouse Stuff Works dot Com? I welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. I'm a staff writer here at how 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com. With me as always is my 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: very attractive and trust the editor Chris Palette. Chris, how's 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: your go kie? Oh? It's great? Thanks. So we wrote 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: this article about whether or not Nazi war criminals are 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: still a large and UM the Simon Weisenthal Center. UH. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: This this group that's dedicated to finding rooting out the 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: last of the Nazi war criminals who may or may 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: not be still alive. UM has launched Operation Last Day, 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Last Chance UH in a in a in a last 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: ditch effort. But UM, while I was researching this, Chris, 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: I found a lot of stuff that that just I 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: couldn't fit into the article. UM. One of the things 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: that that stuck out to me the most was the Massad. 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: You know what the Massada is. That's the Israeli secret 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: service right it is now. They have been chasing Nazis 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: for decades and have been fairly successful at it. They 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: found Klaus Barbie. UH. They also found Adolf Eichmann, who 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: was pretty much the engineer of the nazis final solution 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: of exterminating all these um supposedly unwanted races. UM. But 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: I also found something very um interesting. The Massad actually 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: engaged in UH employing and hiding some wanted Nazi war criminals, 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: which I found startling. You know, this this group that's 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: dedicated to rooting out for conviction UM or at the 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: very least for trial Nazi war criminals UM having employed 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: one the guy they employed UM was this doctor who 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: actually came up with the idea of mobile gas vans, right, 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: so that the the Nazis wouldn't have to shoot the 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Jews any longer to kill them. They could just load 33 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: them up in these vans and carbon monoxide was put 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: into the end of the vans and and whoever was 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: inside was killed. And the worst part was these vans 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: were they looked like Red Cross ambulances, which is just 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: just about as bad as it gets time to think. Yeah, 38 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it's also a violation of the Geneva Convention. 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure, but I think pretty much percent of 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: what the Nazis did was in violation of the Geneva Conventions. 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: That was much out the window from day one, you know, 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: not about following the rules. Well you said too in 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: the article that they weren't the only ones who had 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: employed some of the former Nazis certainly not. Yeah, who else, um, 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, even the American government. Um, I think you 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: said the British too. You know. Basically, if they had something, 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: uh that that they could use, the governments could use that, 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: they were willing to take them on. I know a 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: lot of that. The nuclear and rocket scientists too, were 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: were very important for them to uh to grab before 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: they could be tried. I guess definitely Project paper Clip. 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: It was an actual secret project undertaken by the United 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: States government to poach as many Nazi scientists as possible. 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: Some of them were war criminals, some of them were 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: lesser known, lesser involved people. But you know, a lot 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: of people argue that we wouldn't have made it to 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: space first had it not been for former Nazi scientists 58 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: like Verna von Brown and some of the other guys 59 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: like him who really helped on the American rocket team. 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: That's amazing to think about that they would be exonerated, 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, simply because of you know, some of the 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: other things that they could bring. But at least maybe 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: they could uh make some positive contributions. And I think also, um, 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: from my understanding, Americans did undertake a process of determining 65 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: just how involved you know, a certain person was, at 66 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: least the the U. S. Government. I think with the 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: c i A. It was a a different matter. I 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: think they used whoever they felt could help them. I 69 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't no matter what involvement they had. Do you know 70 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: anything about that? Honestly, I don't. I haven't done done 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: nearly as much research as year. Well, let me Adolf Eichmann, who, 72 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: like I said, was finally captured. He was actually kidnapped 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: in Argentina by the massade. Uh. He was used by 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: the CIA as a West German agent um and they 75 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: knew who he was, they knew what he'd done, and 76 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: they were still using him as a secret agent in 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: West Germany. It's amazing. Well that's it for for Are 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: there still Nazi more criminals at large? You can find 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: out more about it on how stuff works dot com. 80 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening for more on this and thousands of 81 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: other topics. Because it how stuff works dot Com brought 82 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 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