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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ covering the Diddy trial roads. We have been talking

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Speaker 1: about this for the past week. We got the first

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Speaker 1: full week of testimony. No doubts at all, Cassie Venturists

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Speaker 1: testimony is gonna be talked about for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: We wrote it talking about it bombshell after bombshell after

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Speaker 1: bombshell for days on the stand.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And she, of course is the prosecution's star witness,

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Speaker 2: and she is the one who brought the lawsuit to

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Speaker 2: begin with, that created the criminal investigation that ensued and

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Speaker 2: is the reason why Sean Ditty Combs is on trial

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Speaker 2: now facing five federal charges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she finished on Friday. We should let folks know.

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Speaker 1: She wrapped up and they made sure they had her

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Speaker 1: done by noon, by lunchtime on Friday because frankly, she's

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Speaker 1: eight and a half months pregnant and they were concerned

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Speaker 1: she might have the baby this weekend. That did nice.

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Speaker 2: She did not know, but you know, three days of

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Speaker 2: testimony for anyone testifying about anything would be overwhelming and difficult.

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Speaker 2: But she was reliving the most atrocious, grotesque, unimaginable events

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Speaker 2: that I don't think anyone could have an easy time retelling,

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Speaker 2: and yet she's doing it while she's eight and a

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Speaker 2: half months pregnant, and she's talking about suicidal thoughts. She's

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Speaker 2: talking about parties, sex parties that lasted for four days,

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Speaker 2: physical injuries, traumatic mental injuries. I mean this and all

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Speaker 2: with her husband in the courtroom watching her detail heinous,

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Speaker 1: And so that's where we finished up on Friday with

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Speaker 1: her testimony. But then they called someone else down, Richard,

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Speaker 1: who is a member of Danity Kane, the group that

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Speaker 1: was on making the band that did he put together.

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Speaker 1: She testified, and we'll get into some of her testimony

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Speaker 1: in just a moment, but as far as we understood,

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Speaker 1: she was being cross examined today the day the recording

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Speaker 1: this here on Monday, so we'll have some more details

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Speaker 1: of her testimony when the day concludes. But rome's one

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Speaker 1: major I guess, I guess a major development on Friday

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Speaker 1: when Cassie finished with all of her testimony that was

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Speaker 1: again bombshell after bombshell, graphic and gripping. We then heard

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Speaker 1: from her personally. She didn't come out and to an

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Speaker 1: and a pretty powerful statement that gave us a little

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Speaker 1: been for her in testifying for the past several days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so she and this is a very smart thing

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Speaker 2: a statement that everyone could read, and she got to

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Speaker 2: say what she wanted to. She said, this week has

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Speaker 2: been extremely challenging, and that would be an understatement completely

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Speaker 2: at this point for her. She said, this week has

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Speaker 2: been extremely challenging, but also remarkably empowering. She said that

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Speaker 2: she hoped that her story my testimony has given strength

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Speaker 2: and a voice to other survivors and can help others

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Speaker 2: who have suffered to speak up and also heal from

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Speaker 2: abuse and fear. That's remarkable. And she also went on

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Speaker 2: to say for me, the more I heal, the more

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Speaker 2: I can remember, and the more I can remember, the

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Speaker 2: more I will never forget. I want to thank my

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Speaker 2: family and my advocates for their unwavering support, and I'm

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Speaker 2: grateful for all the kindness and encouragement that I have received,

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Speaker 2: that is, you know, you felt for her when she

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Speaker 2: was very empowering to so many other people who were

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Speaker 2: listening to her. A lot of people we heard who

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Speaker 2: had nothing to do with Shaun Didecombs but have experienced

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Speaker 2: through as an abuse victim.

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Speaker 1: And we've had a conversation here here lately, plenty of

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Speaker 1: conversations about where do people draw the line between someone

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Speaker 1: And we've talked to other people who look at Cassie

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Speaker 1: we have other people saying these people were complicit as well.

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Speaker 1: It's just this case is proving to be a little

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Speaker 1: more complicated, a lot more excuse me, complicated than that.

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Speaker 2: Right, there is a there is a line, or maybe

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Speaker 2: By the way, Ventur did finish her statement, and this

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Speaker 2: for privacy. She said, I'm glad to put this ch

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Speaker 2: after of my life to rest as I turned to

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Speaker 2: And the hope is that by her actually coming forward,

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Speaker 1: This is what they are trying to establish this week,

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Speaker 1: and we've had a lot of conversations with folks ropes

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Speaker 1: is not what this case is about. So why is

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Speaker 1: establishing their case a racketeering case, They're establishing a prostitution case,

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Speaker 1: establish a case by showing, hey, yes, she went through this,

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Speaker 1: she experienced this. That sets whatever up for the jury

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Speaker 1: But folks, they are building a case, their case that racketeering,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she absolutely admitted to seeking out some of these

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've talked about this a lot because

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Speaker 2: not charged with this specific crime, but she said that

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Speaker 2: moment that her husband walked out of the courtroom, and

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, her husband did also release a statement.

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Speaker 2: They didn't release a joint statement. They put out statements

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Speaker 2: separate from one another. But I actually really loved to

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Speaker 2: hear what Alex had to say, so we're gonna read

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Speaker 2: them for you. Here. He said, over the past five days,

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Speaker 2: the world has gotten to witness the strength and bravery

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Speaker 2: of my wife freely being herself and freeing herself of

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Speaker 2: her past. There have been speculation online surrounding how it

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Speaker 2: must feel for me to sit there and to listen

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Speaker 2: to my wife's testimony. I have felt so many things

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Speaker 2: sitting there. I have felt tremendous pride and overwhelming love

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Speaker 2: for Cassie. I have felt profound anger that she has

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Speaker 2: been subjected to sitting in front of a person who

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Speaker 2: helped him along the way. Please know this, you did not.

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Speaker 2: You did not break her spirit nor her smile that

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Speaker 2: lights up every room. You did not break the soul

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Speaker 2: of a mother who gives the best hugs and plays

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Speaker 2: the silliest games with our little girls. You did not

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Speaker 2: He said, That's some powerful stuff. I think that's something

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Speaker 2: the man who is standing by her and with her

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Speaker 2: detailing the most horrific time of her life.

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Speaker 1: I have to remember you all, this is the gentleman.

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Speaker 1: This is her husband, yes, but this is the guy

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Speaker 1: who did He paid for as her personal trainer initially.

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Speaker 1: This is how he became came into her life and

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Speaker 1: became a friend. This is also the guy. According to Cassie,

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Speaker 1: they were dating when the alleged rape took place. She

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Speaker 1: had a goodbye dinner with Ditty one night, she took

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Speaker 1: the alleged rape took place. So her husband has been around.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she told him about this, but as part

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Speaker 2: That's correct, and to that point they had been dating.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how serious they were dating at that point,

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Speaker 2: on the way. Obviously. Alex's statement goes on from there.

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Speaker 2: He went on to write, I did not save Cassie,

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Speaker 2: as some have said. To say that is an insult

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Speaker 2: to the years of painful work my wife has done

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Speaker 2: to save herself Cassie saved Cassie. She alone broke free

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Speaker 2: from abuse, coercion, violence, and threats. She did the work

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Speaker 2: have done to her. All I have done is love

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Speaker 2: making additional statements. We appreciate all the love and support

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Speaker 2: we have received, and we ask that you respect our

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Speaker 2: is now safer because of his mom. That's powerful.

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Speaker 1: This I don't know what to because this might not

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Speaker 1: be over necessarily. There are a lot of tentacles to

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Speaker 1: are still in the midst of legal wranglings of some

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Speaker 2: How many civil lawsuits are there.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't keep up. It was dozens because they were happening,

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Speaker 1: so that I don't know the official count. There are

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Speaker 1: so many, but Cassie's name is going to come up

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Speaker 1: And there are plenty of people who do believe that

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Speaker 1: Cassie was complicit. I don't think anybody's arguing that she

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Speaker 1: And look, if you see the video she's refered of

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Speaker 1: But there is so much of this story, and we're

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Speaker 2: You do make a good point because to have that

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Speaker 2: That certainly happened to her without question. But where does

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Speaker 1: And we would really encourage people. I know there are

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Speaker 1: And it's so important to have a conversation that goes

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Speaker 1: It's just this is so complex. Fame and power and

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Speaker 2: And I think about all of the folks who were victims,

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Speaker 2: The more people we talk to TJ, the more people

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Speaker 1: Well that was fear. We talked to say, fear you're

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Speaker 1: So again, these we just encourage you while to please

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Speaker 1: So that's what's happening. We will continue to keep an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because you know, so many people claim to

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's remarkable when you start to really

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Speaker 1: Right, so folks, please stick with us. We will continue

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Speaker 1: to keep you updated about the ditty trial. But now

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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Holmes, and I.

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Speaker 2: Mean the robot. Thanks for listening, Have a good day.

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