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Speaker 4: Okay fam It's season eight, episode six, not Afraid. It
Speaker 4: originally aired October nineteenth, twenty ten. As Halloween approaches in
Speaker 4: tree Hill, Book and Julian get an unexpected visitor, and
Speaker 4: Nathan begins a new career. Meanwhile, Clay and Quinn struggle
Speaker 4: with life back at the beach House, and Hayley and
Speaker 4: Mia host an open mic night at Trick. It was
Speaker 4: so much fun to direct this episode and it was
Speaker 4: written by Johnny Norris.
Speaker 3: Ah and Lou.
Speaker 4: I went to storage yesterday in anticipation of today.
Speaker 5: No, I still have orange hat.
Speaker 4: And I brought it home. Fascinator the tool what it is?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, fascinator?
Speaker 4: Yes? Oh god, I just Brinstone just fell off of it.
Speaker 4: It's not in great shape, but it really does give
Speaker 4: me a giggle. I did not save the paper mache orange,
Speaker 4: but I'll never forget it. I did also pull out
Speaker 4: my directing binder that I mean still has everything.
Speaker 3: Like shotlet hopeous notes, So that makes me missdirecting. Oh
Speaker 3: I'm looking at that notebook makes me so nostalgic.
Speaker 4: I know all of like my little blocking notes on
Speaker 4: all little set photos. It was so fun to go
Speaker 4: through this, so fun.
Speaker 5: You really do keep it all. Speaking of your costume,
Speaker 5: did because there's nothing I love more than when a
Speaker 5: girl the tradition of like it's Halloween, so I'm going
Speaker 5: to be sexy. I love the fact that Brooke was
Speaker 5: just a giant orange. Yeah, did you have any input
Speaker 5: in that or was that just as scripted?
Speaker 4: Well, Carol and I had so much fun, and obviously
Speaker 4: the ideas go as a clockwork orange, and it's I
Speaker 4: sort of love that Brooke decides to do this very
Speaker 4: avant garde, high fashion version of like a Kubrick costs.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's the only way Brooke would have actually gone.
Speaker 3: It couldn't have possibly been this is something else.
Speaker 4: No, And so I remember going into wardrobe to sit
Speaker 4: with Carol and talk about all of this, and she
Speaker 4: was like, I think, let's just put you in the orange.
Speaker 4: And we we got a variety of exercise balls.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna say that's what That's what it was, right,
Speaker 3: They paper macheded exercise ball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we payper machee them because it had to
Speaker 4: be big enough that when we cut the headhole and
Speaker 4: then the hole for my legs, it had to cover
Speaker 4: you know, my whole body. Couldn't have slid it over
Speaker 4: you exactly. I couldn't have like half my ass hanging out.
Speaker 4: It would have been uncomfortable and also inappropriate. So we
Speaker 4: ended up I think we made one and realized it
Speaker 4: only covered like two thirds of my torso. And then
Speaker 4: we had to get a bigger exercise ball and we
Speaker 4: just sort of had to wing it and you know,
Speaker 4: wait for the paper mache to dry, and then they'd
Speaker 4: start cutting the holes and then they'd have to pop
Speaker 4: the exercise ball or deflate it to get it out.
Speaker 4: And I realize, I remember this with you, Joy, because
Speaker 4: we were figuring out you and Kate, you know, coming
Speaker 4: into trick and I was in costume directing, so I
Speaker 4: was hitting the ball and I tried to tell camera like, okay,
Speaker 4: I want to bring them in, you know, like this,
Speaker 4: and like every director does, you're doing the thing with
Speaker 4: your hands and I couldn't get my hands up because
Speaker 4: I had like t Rex arms in the little ball,
Speaker 4: so I wound up having to like, you know, take
Speaker 4: a pen and point. It was so ridiculous and just
Speaker 4: so much fun.
Speaker 5: I would have I would just love to see footage
Speaker 5: from like from a distance, so you can't hear what
Speaker 5: you're saying, but you can tell that like you're going
Speaker 5: up to an actor and giving very serious notes while
Speaker 5: wearing this giant orange costume. Everyone's taking it very very seriously.
Speaker 3: No, I remember you had such a good sense of
Speaker 3: humor about it. I remember you coming up and giving
Speaker 3: direction and it was just like I know, okay, just
Speaker 3: bear with me here.
Speaker 4: Ignore my tiny little veil, and yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was great. I mean, we were all
Speaker 3: dressed ridiculously so, but that paper mache orange reminded me
Speaker 3: so much of was yours dry completely by the time
Speaker 3: you put it on? Or were they scrambling because I
Speaker 3: when I was in I don't know, I must have
Speaker 3: been like eleven. I was in a play I did
Speaker 3: to kill a Mockingbird and at one point Scout has
Speaker 3: it it's a town festival, it's a school play or something.
Speaker 3: And I had to wear a giant Ham. And they
Speaker 3: made this huge Ham costume very much like your Orange,
Speaker 3: out of paper mache and chicken wire, but they made
Speaker 3: it too late and so the opening night I had
Speaker 3: to put it on. It was still like sticky and
Speaker 3: wet inside was going on stage in the sticky ham
Speaker 3: paper mache costume. It's pretty funny engross, but I'm glad
Speaker 3: yours was dry.
Speaker 4: I think that would have that would have really been
Speaker 4: like a hat on a hat of just wow. I
Speaker 4: am uncomfortable and trying not to feel absolutely ridiculous being
Speaker 4: theoretically in charge whilst looking like the court jester. That
Speaker 4: would have been tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well you had another great costume in this too,
Speaker 3: the Zombie. The Zombie opening with the Laura Cross.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was so much fun and my whole goal
Speaker 4: with it, particularly because I loved that they wanted to
Speaker 4: do this big sort of you know, hyper realized nightmare.
Speaker 4: But I was so glad getting the script that Johnny
Speaker 4: wrote the jokes in like Haley and Quinn arguing if
Speaker 4: they were vampires or zombies. Really for me as a director,
Speaker 4: set the tone of the whole thing, and it gave
Speaker 4: me permission to lean into the absolute camp of it
Speaker 4: and our whole goal and it was so much fun
Speaker 4: to do with Peter Kowalski, was to make it as
Speaker 4: stylized and silly. We were watching clips of, Oh, come on,
Speaker 4: what's the movie that the spoof movies that Chris Evans
Speaker 4: and Anna Faris did, Scarcy Movie, Scary Movie. We were
Speaker 4: watching clips of how absolutely ridiculous those movies were, you know,
Speaker 4: in these comedic horror homages, and we were like, that's
Speaker 4: what we want. And it was nice to see it
Speaker 4: again because, as always happens on you know, a one
Speaker 4: hour show, particularly with a cast as large as ours,
Speaker 4: you lose a lot. And there was so much that
Speaker 4: we shot for that opener that had to be cut
Speaker 4: for time, these crazy transitions and these things, and some
Speaker 4: of them made it, but in my mind I hated
Speaker 4: that opening because we were missing so much, and watching
Speaker 4: it last night, I was like, wait, this is still
Speaker 4: so funny, Like we crushed it, and the little transitions
Speaker 4: that you know, I was attached to at the time
Speaker 4: totally didn't matter, and I was cackling. And some of
Speaker 4: my friends were over for dinner last night and they
Speaker 4: watched the episode with me, and they were in like
Speaker 4: peals of laughter watching all of you guys, and I
Speaker 4: was like, Oh, this makes me feel really nice. I
Speaker 4: love it well.
Speaker 5: I thought it was incredible, and then I found myself
Speaker 5: after it was over going. I feel like during season seven,
Speaker 5: we were doing an episode and we were talking about directing,
Speaker 5: and you brought up the scene and you were talking
Speaker 5: about how it was difficult for you to watch because
Speaker 5: because you loved what you shot, and then it got
Speaker 5: chopped up and it wasn't nearly what you thought it was.
Speaker 5: And I just found myself going, that's wild, because I
Speaker 5: thought it was incredible. I loved money, it was the
Speaker 5: right blend of action and comedy. So I mean I
Speaker 5: didn't notice anything.
Speaker 4: Well, I really appreciate that. And what I think it
Speaker 4: is as a great lesson is, you know, we can
Speaker 4: get attached to things as actors, as artists, and of
Speaker 4: course we do. You know, that's our job is to
Speaker 4: be obsessed with how to tell a story, how to
Speaker 4: communicate something whatever. But it's also really nice, I think
Speaker 4: to learn to take a step back and much like writing,
Speaker 4: you have to cut things down. You have to edit,
Speaker 4: you know, an op ed or a book. You have
Speaker 4: to cut scenes to make a full story flow in
Speaker 4: the best way possible. And sometimes it's really nice to
Speaker 4: go back and look at something and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: I actually didn't I did. I didn't need that. I
Speaker 4: don't miss it. I just missed it at the time
Speaker 4: because Rob did something I loved, or you know, Joy
Speaker 4: did something really funny and I only got to keep
Speaker 4: two of the three beats I liked. But for the story,
Speaker 4: it works, and it's it's kind of a nice lesson.
Speaker 3: Always hard to kill your darlings. Yeah, often necessary.
Speaker 5: I remember doing the prosthetic for my face, and I
Speaker 5: mean it was a hole to do. And oh and
Speaker 5: then I remember on the day it was so hard
Speaker 5: for me to talk in well because it was your mouth, yes,
Speaker 5: which it plays because I'm missing half a mouth basically.
Speaker 5: But I remember actually telling you, I think, being like,
Speaker 5: if you could just like Enanci a little more so
Speaker 5: we can understand you're saying, like, I'm trying my best here, I.
Speaker 3: Can't do it.
Speaker 4: It's like you have the giant thing in at the
Speaker 4: dentist and you're like, I actually can't enunciate it because
Speaker 4: my lips can't touch.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny. I just loved it. And it
Speaker 4: was really interesting too to be able to, you know,
Speaker 4: do the whole journey with Quinn, because every place she goes,
Speaker 4: something else ridiculous is happening. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 4: working with Chantelle on some of those things and being
Speaker 4: so excited about like, we're going to do this fast
Speaker 4: zoom into your face and I want full like iconic
Speaker 4: horror movie scream. And she was such a good sport
Speaker 4: about just really leaning into it and being able to
Speaker 4: get some of that sort of classic old Hollywood stuff
Speaker 4: in this and then also lean into the comedy. Even
Speaker 4: when we're at close over Bros. And you see Brooke
Speaker 4: and Julian in their you know, teenage mutant Ninja turtles,
Speaker 4: Laura Croft kind of be like, when Austin turns and
Speaker 4: looks at me in shock because of what she's saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he was Buffy the vampire Slave. I
Speaker 5: thought that was your guys's motif.
Speaker 4: I guess a little bit of all of it. He
Speaker 4: was giving me Casey Jones energy. Okay, but yeah, I
Speaker 4: just everyone was so game to be ridiculous, and I
Speaker 4: loved watching.
Speaker 3: It, including the hair and makeup department, the special effects,
Speaker 3: particularly Rocky did such a great job. Rocky Falkner was
Speaker 3: our resident special effects guy who he did great beauty makeup,
Speaker 3: but he really loved special effects. And he went on
Speaker 3: to work on True Blood and he's probably I think
Speaker 3: did he do interview with the Vampire with our other
Speaker 3: with our costume designer Carol Gutshall. I know he's doing
Speaker 3: the Michelle Yo Show right now. Oh wow, I mean
Speaker 3: he's he's just doing great things. So talented, so creative,
Speaker 3: so talented. Always had great ideas, grew up watching all
Speaker 3: of those like Japanese slasher flicks like Tarantino always did,
Speaker 3: so he had a real breadth of knowledge of like
Speaker 3: the difference between realistic and silly. And when it was
Speaker 3: time to go overboard with the thing with my makeup,
Speaker 3: with the bubbling forehead, I think we had to like
Speaker 3: put a tube through my hair, right am I remembering
Speaker 3: this right? And they so I had a fake forehead
Speaker 3: and then they had a tube running through my hair
Speaker 3: and then like a little squeezy thing at the back.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I squeezed it, or if
Speaker 3: there was somebody under the bed that was squeezing it
Speaker 3: for my shot. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Somebody did it for you because we did it as
Speaker 4: a special It was a close up and essentially it
Speaker 4: was like a yeah, the tube came through and then
Speaker 4: the the prosthetic was sealed on the edges, so it
Speaker 4: just blew and they could, yeah, they could inflate it
Speaker 4: with a little what is that, like a little rubber
Speaker 4: That's what it's called. Thank you? Yeah, And it was yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean just the things Rocky came up with were
Speaker 4: so impressive, you know, the even the contact lenses, all
Speaker 4: of it. I remember, you know, having to look at
Speaker 4: the at the VFX shot because we shot you no
Speaker 4: contacts and then contacts and we had to then do
Speaker 4: special effects to make them transition in that close up
Speaker 4: of you. And it was just such a fun thing
Speaker 4: to see a whole other element of movie making.
Speaker 3: So difficult to schedule when you've got all of us
Speaker 3: and then there's prosthetics like that, like Rob, how long
Speaker 3: did yours end? Kate's not Katie, sorry, Amanda's take? Do
Speaker 3: you remember?
Speaker 5: I don't remember. I think mine was the most involved
Speaker 5: though Amanda's was a bit more like it was a
Speaker 5: couple of small pieces and many contacts, whereas mine was
Speaker 5: it was an entire like head piece, face piece.
Speaker 3: Your whole jaw is missing. So yeah, yeah ours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And because you especially were such a great reveal.
Speaker 4: You know, she needed to look almost normal and when
Speaker 4: you turn the face is so shocking. But I remember
Speaker 4: even little things, you know. The reveal with Nathan was
Speaker 4: that he looked normal and then you know, he pulls
Speaker 4: out his own kidney, you realize he's not. So we
Speaker 4: had to start shooting with James in regular hair and makeup,
Speaker 4: and then he had to go back to the trailer
Speaker 4: and get fully young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you moved on to something else and then came
Speaker 3: back right, uh huh.
Speaker 4: And so it was a really complex thing for our
Speaker 4: you know, ad department to schedule. But again, just so
Speaker 4: cool because by the time you're eight years into a show,
Speaker 4: you're such a well oiled machine and everybody knows what
Speaker 4: they're doing, and you know what the company moves look
Speaker 4: like and how it is to go from location to location,
Speaker 4: and suddenly everybody had to do something different and people
Speaker 4: were really excited about it, and it was fun to see.
Speaker 5: I wish I could have been a part of the camp.
Speaker 5: The humor action part because it was mine was great.
Speaker 5: But it was so fun watching it that I felt
Speaker 5: myself I had a little foam mo just going like, oh,
Speaker 5: I want I want to be doing like outrageous you know,
Speaker 5: fighting stuff and then all been closeover bros.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish we had all been there, and especially
Speaker 4: just being I was giggling even little things. You know,
Speaker 4: our sound mixer. It's this big action sequence and we're
Speaker 4: we're fighting these people in the store, and Quinn's like,
Speaker 4: there's zombies and then all the sound drops out and
Speaker 4: you just are on the of the extras and then
Speaker 4: we're back in and it's like everybody was so game
Speaker 4: to have a good time with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was funny too because it was at a
Speaker 3: time when, uh, the vampires were super super popular. That was,
Speaker 3: the Vampire Diaries had come out, and Twilight was really
Speaker 3: at its height of popularity, and there was a whole
Speaker 3: debate about what was next, like what the monster, the
Speaker 3: next monster popular thing was going to be, and uh,
Speaker 3: I guess zombies. Zombies took the cake.
Speaker 4: They sure did.
Speaker 5: Walking Dead was like hold my brain, how how long have.
Speaker 4: You have you been waiting to drop that joke on us?
Speaker 5: I wrote it down last night in the middle of
Speaker 5: the night, and then I couldn't go back to sleep
Speaker 5: because I was so excited about it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh, so many good things in this episode to get into.
Speaker 4: Can we just start with when we get back to
Speaker 4: real life and we're at the Halloween party, Mike, my
Speaker 4: first notes are, oh, my god, Lee looks so good.
Speaker 4: Like the slicked hair, and he's in the tank top.
Speaker 4: He's giving like grease lightning, and it's a.
Speaker 3: Vibe so fun.
Speaker 5: Yes, And in eight oh five he's giving serious Wall
Speaker 5: Street vibes because he's got his hair slicked back and
Speaker 5: he's wearing a suit, and uh yeah. It kind of
Speaker 5: made me realize there was there was there was a
Speaker 5: lot more that we could we could be doing with Lee.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, than we were. But it was fun to
Speaker 5: see him. Yeah, the slip back hair and the earrings
Speaker 5: and the tank top, Yeah, fake abs, the tan fun reveal, the.
Speaker 3: Yeah Lisa and the Lady Gaga costume. I died. There's
Speaker 3: just so many I forgot that I was a pregnant
Speaker 3: cheerleader hilarious. I totally forgot that. That's what I showed up, Bess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: James as or Nathan as Don Draper his dream role anyway,
Speaker 3: you know, he was obsessed with mad Men at the time.
Speaker 5: I love that Quinn missed the mark and was just
Speaker 5: super Quinn. That was great. I think she when she
Speaker 5: says it and Clay has the lineries like, I don't
Speaker 5: think that reads. Yeah, and then of course Clay is
Speaker 5: Edward Colin.
Speaker 3: That's why I said, what did read is Clay as
Speaker 3: Robert Pattinson. I mean, that was so perfect. It really
Speaker 3: it could not have been a better pick.
Speaker 5: So here's a question. I had peek behind the curtain
Speaker 5: when I lived in Wilmington, definitely season seven and maybe
Speaker 5: season eight. I at my apartment, I had a giant
Speaker 5: can bowl that I stalked. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: guys remember this. I stocked with like every kind of
Speaker 5: candy I could find its stores, and then when anyone
Speaker 5: came over, I was like, help yourself to candy, and
Speaker 5: if I didn't have what they liked, like, I'd go
Speaker 5: out and find it. That was sort of like my
Speaker 5: thing I was very proud of. So when I saw it,
Speaker 5: I just thought was fun. I should say.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 5: When I saw that Clay had a giant bowl of
Speaker 5: candy and then was going on about the benefits and
Speaker 5: the efficiency of a giant bowl candy, I found myself going,
Speaker 5: is this one of those moments where they're poaching from
Speaker 5: real life? It felt like it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so yeah, I felt.
Speaker 4: A few of those things. I mean, your your candy bowl. Also,
Speaker 4: they had you take that dig at Halloween and call
Speaker 4: it like a creepy witch something or other.
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 4: Well, it's like so clearly a snarky little dig at
Speaker 4: Hillary because by now she's left and she was our
Speaker 4: queen of Halloween, and so if you guys caught it,
Speaker 4: and I and I cherished that. Chantelle was so game
Speaker 4: to do this with me. When Quinn runs in pre
Speaker 4: everyone being in their actual costumes and she's just in
Speaker 4: like the jeans and T shirt and baseball cap. We
Speaker 4: put her in a red bedroom records hat.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 4: Carol and I were like, we have a way to
Speaker 4: respond to that joke that we're not, you know, allowed
Speaker 4: to cut. And also, Rob, you delivered the joke so
Speaker 4: well because you're such a good comedic actor, and it
Speaker 4: was really fun because we were like, oh, yeah, we'll
Speaker 4: do the things on the page, but the girlies are
Speaker 4: going to like send little love notes to the girlies too,
Speaker 4: And we all kind of were like, huh, that was.
Speaker 3: So cute, all the little callbacks, as many things as
Speaker 3: we can do to do those callbacks too to the
Speaker 3: show that you know, people fell in love with originally,
Speaker 3: the narration at the beginning, that the fact that they're
Speaker 3: still bringing like Lucas's name in. Yeah, it just it
Speaker 3: feels so good to too, to know that there's an
Speaker 3: intentionality on all sides of the camera, in front and
Speaker 3: behind to really keep that keep that nostalgia running. I
Speaker 3: love it. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: I thought this week's theme song was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Laura is a boor who plays Aaron, who is
Speaker 3: the piano player in the at the end at Trick
Speaker 3: and singer fabulous singer. Yeah, I was. This was the
Speaker 3: first theme song that I really uh that was not
Speaker 3: Gavin's that I think I actually really liked.
Speaker 5: Also, Joy, every single time there's a it's a it's
Speaker 5: a woman singing the theme song, I spend the first
Speaker 5: two seconds going, is this Joy? I'm just waiting for
Speaker 5: the week where you're doing it so every week. That's
Speaker 5: how it starts for me. But stop waiting for a
Speaker 5: small town. Tree Hill has a lot of talented musicians,
Speaker 5: because not only is Laura is aaron, Laura is a
Speaker 5: borg obviously incredible. The guy before her on a guitar.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've clocked it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder who that was. Maybe a local guy,
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 6: I don't remember.
Speaker 5: You know what it is. It's since tree Hill only
Speaker 5: has one, now two bartenders. What they lack in bartenders
Speaker 5: they make up for in musicians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they've got a they've got our local record label.
Speaker 3: I mean they are cranking them out. And Amy tipped
Speaker 3: in as the pageant queen was chef's kiss. I was obsessed.
Speaker 5: With that, okay, so that she looked so familiar to me,
Speaker 5: can you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amy worked in our crew and she bounced around
Speaker 3: a few different departments. I can't remember where she landed,
Speaker 3: but she was a staple, like just one of those
Speaker 3: friendly faces you would see every single day when you
Speaker 3: came to work. And I loved seeing her all that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was her as a pageant queen, singing whatever,
Speaker 3: Dolly or Martina McBride song she was launching into was
Speaker 3: pretty epic.
Speaker 5: Of the two surprise cameos we had this episode, she
Speaker 5: was my favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah min to Speaking of not necessarily a cameo, but
Speaker 4: a new introduction, we finally have Sharon Lawrence.
Speaker 5: Oh I love me some Sharon Lawrence.
Speaker 4: She is so amazing.
Speaker 3: The look on your face when she says, is my
Speaker 3: son here, and you go, oh god, please. Now I
Speaker 3: loved it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Did you all choose that hairstyle for her?
Speaker 3: No? No, I think that was just popular. It's like
Speaker 3: a shag cut. It was very popular at the time.
Speaker 4: She showed up with this fabulous cut, and I think
Speaker 4: we all were just so enamored and sort of taken aback,
Speaker 4: Like she really took everyone's breath away. She's so elegant.
Speaker 4: She was so fabulous. She's so funny. I didn't know
Speaker 4: how they were going to find essentially another Daphne, and
Speaker 4: they did. They're so different, but they're matched in every way,
Speaker 4: and to have them be the two mother in laws essentially,
Speaker 4: I just it's like some of the best casting our
Speaker 4: show ever did.
Speaker 3: Sharon Lawrence is for those of you who aren't super
Speaker 3: familiar with her work. I mean, she's been she did
Speaker 3: a lot of Broadway in theaters, musical theater actress. NYPD
Speaker 3: Blue was really the thing I think that put her
Speaker 3: on the map as Sipowitz's wife and had big storylines.
Speaker 6: Era.
Speaker 3: It was her gorgeous rear end that was on television
Speaker 3: nude for the first time on broadcast TV, not cable,
Speaker 3: and it went wildfire around the world in the news
Speaker 3: in ninety nine ninety seven maybe I can't remember where
Speaker 3: the year was, but she walked out of the shower
Speaker 3: totally knew it was a ten o'clock at night show,
Speaker 3: and the standards and practices, thank you Standard Practices, S
Speaker 3: and B, they went bananas. It was a whole thing
Speaker 3: that the network got fined, the show got fined. It
Speaker 3: was a big deal. But anyway, it was Sharon's fabulous ass.
Speaker 3: And I tell you she is such a I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just one small piece about that's funny about how
Speaker 3: her fame and her notoriety, but her talent is so
Speaker 3: broad and I've never seen that woman walk. She floats
Speaker 3: through every room that she's in, and she's so elegant,
Speaker 3: so gracious, knows how to communicate her own boundaries and
Speaker 3: ideas in ways that always makes you feel good. She's
Speaker 3: just somebody that every time I'm around, I want to
Speaker 3: be quiet and listen and watch because I learned so
Speaker 3: much from her. We're so lucky that we got her.
Speaker 4: We are so lucky. And it was really interesting. I remember,
Speaker 4: you know, as a director you're really watching all of
Speaker 4: your fellow actors in ways that you don't when you're
Speaker 4: simply acting with people, because the whole point when action
Speaker 4: is called is to just be in the scene. You're
Speaker 4: in the moment, and as a director you really have
Speaker 4: to observe exactly what everyone's doing to make sure things
Speaker 4: are being communicated, et cetera. And it's very cool to
Speaker 4: me to go back and watch, you know, our show
Speaker 4: in general. Obviously it's why we do a podcast, because
Speaker 4: we're all like, wait, this is fun, but to go
Speaker 4: back and watch it and also kind of remember what
Speaker 4: it was like to direct. I remember watching Austin and
Speaker 4: Sharon work together and thinking, God, they're such good sparring partners,
Speaker 4: you know, they both they're both just so good. And
Speaker 4: as we've been observing this sort OF's call it interesting
Speaker 4: direction that the writers want to take Julian's character.
Speaker 3: We'll get there, We'll get there.
Speaker 4: He is so he has no ego about being so
Speaker 4: self deprecating. And there's something about the choices these two
Speaker 4: are making together that elevates all of this material. And
Speaker 4: I loved watching them, the humor that they found, the
Speaker 4: choices that they made, Like.
Speaker 3: I bought it Mother and Son immediately, right immediately.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was it like directing this legend? I mean, so
Speaker 3: that's was that intimidating?
Speaker 4: No, because Sharon is so wonderful. You know, she is
Speaker 4: not a person who flexes her might. She just shows
Speaker 4: up to elevate everyone around her. And so I think
Speaker 4: I was just so enamored with her, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'd walk over and have a thought and she'd kind
Speaker 4: of lean in and in her very musical way, like
Speaker 4: you said, she were.
Speaker 3: Like, wait, can I just smell you for a second?
Speaker 4: Wiley Exactly. She sort of leans in and is like,
Speaker 4: oh I like that, And You're like you do you
Speaker 4: like me? What did you? What did you say? You know?
Speaker 4: It was just so much fun for me, and I
Speaker 4: really cherish I mean I cherish her in general, but
Speaker 4: especially the way she showed up, you know, for a
Speaker 4: young kid directing her. It was really generous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she I've had the good fortune of playing her
Speaker 5: son on a couple of movies and she use her
Speaker 5: daughter wants to Oh yeah, but you're exactly right, like
Speaker 5: she was always game to try things and always had
Speaker 5: fun ideas. She just was always always up for anything
Speaker 5: and great sense of human just like all the things.
Speaker 5: You know, if someone starts singing, she can break out
Speaker 5: in a beautiful song. She can dance, you know, she
Speaker 5: can do it. We love you, Sharon, Lauren.
Speaker 3: Youet to find a flaw.
Speaker 4: Sharon.
Speaker 3: It's getting annoying.
Speaker 5: When she offers, though, to pay for the wedding. I mean,
Speaker 5: did you both have the same reaction I did, where
Speaker 5: you're just like, this is going to come with strings.
Speaker 6: Yes, no, don't believe it.
Speaker 5: And it did. It came with so serious strings. I
Speaker 5: thought it was so sweet of Brook though, that she
Speaker 5: brought the binder and wanted to invite her new mother
Speaker 5: in law in and say like, hey, here's what I
Speaker 5: was thinking. Would you like to be a part of
Speaker 5: this with me? I thought, classy move.
Speaker 3: But I did like seeing Brooke and Julian working together again.
Speaker 3: It's just I'm happy to see some happiness in her
Speaker 3: life and the way the shows up for her and
Speaker 3: Julian exploring this part of his creativity and figuring out
Speaker 3: what he's going to do. I mean, the attempted let's
Speaker 3: get into it. The attempted emasculation of Austin Nichols continues
Speaker 3: and continues to backfire.
Speaker 5: Yes, failed attempt to a mask late.
Speaker 3: The dog costume, the high five the maners.
Speaker 4: It only makes him.
Speaker 3: More three dimensional, more quirky, more interesting and interesting equals attractive.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's such easy math to me. Uh, I'm
Speaker 3: it's hilarious to watch this attempt just continue to fall
Speaker 3: in its face.
Speaker 5: It's like the little kid thing of like I'm rubber,
Speaker 5: you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and
Speaker 5: sticks to you. It never makes him look bad. If anything,
Speaker 5: it kind of weakens the character opposite him, Like when
Speaker 5: Nathan's going like noise purse if anything, that makes Nathan
Speaker 5: just seem kind of juvenile yep, and him just being
Speaker 5: really comfortable and settled in himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what are you an idiot? I've got it bag?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: When Julie and his mom have the matching costumes. Did
Speaker 5: either of you have the arrested development moment of remembering
Speaker 5: when Buster and Lucille dress up and matching costumes for
Speaker 5: Mother Boy. Now a mother Boy? Oh my god, it's
Speaker 5: so long.
Speaker 3: That's genius. Yes.
Speaker 5: For the small portion of our audience who actually has
Speaker 5: watched the rest of development, that's a terrific callback. You
Speaker 5: should check it out because it is strong. Mother Boy
Speaker 5: vibes with Juliana's Mom.
Speaker 4: I remember knowing how well that scene was working. You know,
Speaker 4: the way that we sort of designed the shots coming
Speaker 4: around the staircase, seeing him come out of the bathroom,
Speaker 4: going up the stairs to Sharon who's floating down the
Speaker 4: stairs and using the coat. You know, like so musically,
Speaker 4: the shock on everyone's faces and immediately you understand a
Speaker 4: dynamic and you go, oh, I know what I'm in for.
Speaker 4: And it still pleases me.
Speaker 3: It also really works for Julian's character because we know
Speaker 3: he's got this sort of hero complex or he's working
Speaker 3: through it where he needs to show up and be
Speaker 3: the guy that like makes accommodations for everyone else, makes
Speaker 3: things easy, can sort of save the day Mom comes
Speaker 3: into town. I don't want her to feel she wants
Speaker 3: to be included in Halloween. I don't want her to
Speaker 3: just have a costume by herself. That's going to be
Speaker 3: so lonely. Yeah, I'll play along like Okay, it's annoying,
Speaker 3: but the also the confidence in who he is to
Speaker 3: just be able to show up and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what's going to be helpful for my mom.
Speaker 3: It's annoying, but whatever.
Speaker 6: Okays refresh my memory.
Speaker 5: It was either in season seven or season six. He
Speaker 5: gives some backstory on her, right, and didn't she struggle
Speaker 5: big time? And he felt he couldn't save her? Is
Speaker 5: that right? Is that where the root is? But I
Speaker 5: feel like the woman he was talking about maybe didn't
Speaker 5: make it or wait a second, no, it was his mom.
Speaker 5: But it was just odd because this character comes in
Speaker 5: so full of life, such energy and press and that
Speaker 5: I found myself going, is this the woman he was
Speaker 5: trying to save because she seems good?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait, we're getting a note from our producer. Yes, that
Speaker 3: it was about his mother.
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 3: What did he say like I couldn't save her? Did
Speaker 3: he did?
Speaker 5: She?
Speaker 3: We thought she died.
Speaker 5: I thought it was depression, like that her light went
Speaker 5: out and she couldn't see it in herself or something
Speaker 5: to that effect.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I wish I remembered to any who.
Speaker 5: That's why I was just surprised when she came on
Speaker 5: the scene. I thought, oh, it's interesting. The only thing
Speaker 5: I know about her was that he like she was
Speaker 5: not okay and he couldn't save her. And there's no
Speaker 5: there's no mention, like, there's no catching up story wiser
Speaker 5: exposition to explain it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, it's interesting. I feel like that's
Speaker 4: one of those things that they think is so great
Speaker 4: for the story when explaining the dynamic between Julianne and
Speaker 4: his dad. And then you know, two years later they
Speaker 4: find out she Aaron Lawrence is available and they're like,
Speaker 4: scrip that she's going to be amazing.
Speaker 3: That is such soap opera action behind the scenes to
Speaker 3: do that just be like, never mind, we'll just completely
Speaker 3: we'll just move it along.
Speaker 4: There was something that I thought was so sweet. I
Speaker 4: made a note of it, and I realized it's something
Speaker 4: we see, you know, a couple of episodes ago when
Speaker 4: you're still in the hospital and there's this really lovely
Speaker 4: dynamic of Nathan just coming to sit with you all
Speaker 4: the time. Yeah, and now that you're out and he's
Speaker 4: beginning to figure out, like he referenced, what comes next,
Speaker 4: Brook's figuring out what comes next?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Who am I? What is my identity without this big
Speaker 4: career that I've had? And I sort of love the
Speaker 4: callback to high school when Brooke and Nathan finally said like, oh,
Speaker 4: we've been through a lot of the same things.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 4: I like though that now in this adult moment, you're
Speaker 4: seeing these experiences mirrored, and they're both leaning on people.
Speaker 4: She's leaning on Julian, he's leaning on Clay. And it
Speaker 4: sort of hit me watching the two of you and
Speaker 4: your dynamic. You and James are so good together. And
Speaker 4: I made a note that's it's kind of it feels
Speaker 4: to me like one of the first times we're really
Speaker 4: seeing two of the men on our show have this
Speaker 4: sort of love story friendship the way we get to
Speaker 4: as the girls on the show, you know, like Brooke
Speaker 4: and Haley's dynamic, or our dynamic with Peyton, Like the
Speaker 4: female friendships have been these big roots. And I guess
Speaker 4: maybe because in the high school years, the journey for
Speaker 4: Nathan and Lucas is so hateful. In the beginning and
Speaker 4: then they wind up being these great brothers. But there's
Speaker 4: something about this, I don't know. There's something about the
Speaker 4: way the relationship has developed between you two as these
Speaker 4: adult men that's giving me nostalgia in a really cool way.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, do you remember do you remember
Speaker 4: like hitting Astride and knowing that your on screen chemistry
Speaker 4: was so good or did it just sort of feel
Speaker 4: so natural that you didn't track it at the time.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say as a viewer watching this right now,
Speaker 5: I find myself going like, oh, I'm witnessing Nathan grow up,
Speaker 5: Like I'm witnessing him really mature, Like as a father
Speaker 5: is where I see it the most. Yeah, like the
Speaker 5: joy he's finding and just being a dad and sort
Speaker 5: of coming to terms with you know, he's going to
Speaker 5: be a father as opposed to a basketball player and
Speaker 5: chase that dream. And so I feel him maturing a lot.
Speaker 5: And so the relationship with Clay feels seamless and effortless
Speaker 5: to me that as he is evolving, he is able
Speaker 5: to have this kind of relationship with another man where
Speaker 5: they're vulnerable and they're present, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not have that with Dan. That was
Speaker 3: non modeled for him to be able to be in
Speaker 3: a place in his life now where his relationship with
Speaker 3: women has become really healthy, and now his son is
Speaker 3: learning how to have healthy relationships with men. It's a
Speaker 3: beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: While we were doing it, I liked James immediately. He
Speaker 5: was the first when I met. And James also, you know,
Speaker 5: there are a few people that when I'm around them,
Speaker 5: it's like catnip. I just can't help but like it
Speaker 5: makes me exponentially more playful and silly, and I just
Speaker 5: want to kind of like make them laugh. And James
Speaker 5: is one of those people. So I just loved doing
Speaker 5: things with him. So I think there was a pretty
Speaker 5: quick ease to our dynamic. And he's just so likable,
Speaker 5: you know that it wasn't hard to play a character
Speaker 5: who loved this guy, you know, because James is just
Speaker 5: he's kind of so easy to love. So it felt
Speaker 5: it felt easy at the time. You know, I'm glad
Speaker 5: that it translated.
Speaker 3: It is interesting, even just the small act of going
Speaker 3: around asking you know, he gets this note from his
Speaker 3: son that you avoid things and taking the initiative to
Speaker 3: reach out to a few friends, you know, in moments
Speaker 3: be like Hey, is this true about me? Am? I?
Speaker 3: You know, man, something we could all take a lesson from, Like,
Speaker 3: I need to do that more. And I loved just
Speaker 3: seeing that modeled. It's so great, and I think probably
Speaker 3: a lot of men don't do that. I'm not a man.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you feel like that's something maybe
Speaker 3: at our age now? But what are we supposed to
Speaker 3: be twenty eight on the show at this point?
Speaker 5: I think, listen, it's definitely something that a lot of
Speaker 5: men do. But I feel like it's just something that
Speaker 5: a lot of people do. I think a lot of
Speaker 5: people aren't terribly self aware, and I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people don't care to be terribly self aware. I
Speaker 5: think therapy and looking at yourself can be uncomfortable and
Speaker 5: just it's labor intensive sometimes, and I think there's a
Speaker 5: lot of people who just go, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 5: I'm not open to feedback. I'm not looking to work
Speaker 5: on that, you know, and which is fine, that's a choice.
Speaker 5: But it is cool to Ethan going, oh is that right? Okay,
Speaker 5: maybe this is a blind spot, let me ask around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it was really neat.
Speaker 5: I love that Jamie's such the wise owl. You know.
Speaker 5: I love that he says that, and that became became
Speaker 5: a through line. Another through line, which was so weird
Speaker 5: and funny for me, was the whole bit with Chuck's
Speaker 5: dad in the mask. Yeah what, it's this weird throwaway
Speaker 5: line that won't go away, and I.
Speaker 3: Just Hailey's far clowns. This was really well written, though,
Speaker 3: because we have a we have I don't want to
Speaker 3: say a lot, but there have been episodes that we've
Speaker 3: watched where everything feels very explained, very cut and dry.
Speaker 3: This is what the scene is, and it's the only
Speaker 3: thing that's happening in the scene, when you know that's
Speaker 3: not real life. In real life, there are all sorts
Speaker 3: of things going on at the same time. And I
Speaker 3: love that we're taking just some random little thing that
Speaker 3: Haley's afraid of clowns, and we've worked it in and
Speaker 3: it's it's insignificant. It's not something that's like a meaningful storyline,
Speaker 3: but it just gives you this flavor of life going
Speaker 3: on around you. It keeps things alive and not feeling scripted.
Speaker 5: And the perfect character to have be the vessel for
Speaker 5: that bit. Chuck is a nightmare, so you can only
Speaker 5: imagine what his home life. Sorry, I know that's harsh
Speaker 5: to judge a kid, but truthfully, that kid's a mess, right,
Speaker 5: and so it's perfect that you're gonna make one of
Speaker 5: his role models have this really weird thing. We don't explain.
Speaker 3: Strange relationship to this. I love Harry clown mask.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: The Harry Potter of it all was so good. I
Speaker 3: mean so I totally forgot that Jamie dressed up as
Speaker 3: Harry Potter and that all of his friends did. That
Speaker 3: was just so so cute, perfect trio.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was so sweet.
Speaker 3: How much fun did you have out there with them?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: My god, it was the best. Getting to direct all
Speaker 4: those kids was just so much fun because they were
Speaker 4: so excited about it, and you know, we were in
Speaker 4: that amazing kind of beautiful historic neighborhood, you know, just
Speaker 4: two blocks off Market Street. And being able to dress
Speaker 4: a neighborhood as well. You know, Halloween is such a
Speaker 4: fun thing to shoot because everything has a costume, you know,
Speaker 4: the houses, like getting getting the fog machines out and
Speaker 4: finding the creepy place and all of it. It's like
Speaker 4: it's just so enjoyable and being able to not only
Speaker 4: do that, you know, design that world to then get
Speaker 4: to drop three adorable kids in it who were so amped,
Speaker 4: you know, to be out there in costume, to be
Speaker 4: housing candy, all of it was just it was so
Speaker 4: much fun. And by now, obviously, you know, James and
Speaker 4: Jackson have such a great rapport and so it was
Speaker 4: very sweet to watch James essentially be like dad for
Speaker 4: a day with all these kids because he had to them,
Speaker 4: you know, help me keep them in line, because yeah,
Speaker 4: they're great little actors and they're wonderfully professional, but they're
Speaker 4: also children. We're having a great time running around slamming
Speaker 4: candy bars, and it was it was just like a
Speaker 4: wildly fun time.
Speaker 5: You did. There was another small thing that was in
Speaker 5: this episode that I don't know if it was just
Speaker 5: us on the day or if it was scripted, but
Speaker 5: when we're back at the beach house and Clay's handing
Speaker 5: out candy, you know, he's obviously very proud of this big,
Speaker 5: this big bowl of candy, and when the first kids
Speaker 5: come up. I loved the choice to have him actually
Speaker 5: explain how great the big bull is, because you see,
Speaker 5: you have your choice of the candies. I'm not just
Speaker 5: giving you something. Yeah. And then in a later bit,
Speaker 5: Quinn goes to hand them candy and Clay runs up
Speaker 5: and like shoes her way and goes no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 5: That the whole point is that they get to choose.
Speaker 5: They get to choose, and she's like, oh, okay, sorry,
Speaker 5: but it was such an organic way to show like
Speaker 5: this little quirk of ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that you did that well.
Speaker 4: And to your point, it's those things that deepen all
Speaker 4: of these characters, hailey'sphere of clowns, your obsession with candy, like,
Speaker 4: it's the little details that make people feel specific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes the show feel alive rather than
Speaker 3: everybody just sitting there being talking heads in perfect looking
Speaker 3: sets that can get more real fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like okay, another thing, another day and this
Speaker 4: it just mixed it up in a way that felt
Speaker 4: really fun and it was it was exciting and engaging
Speaker 4: to me as a director, and I saw how engaging
Speaker 4: it was for every single cast member.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the beach House, did.
Speaker 5: You say nothing, don't.
Speaker 3: It's so strange that when you were talking to Quinn
Speaker 3: about is it the beach House, Because if it's the
Speaker 3: beach House, we don't have to live at the beach
Speaker 3: house like you kept saying it. But why isn't it
Speaker 3: just like is it the house?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why does the line always about the beach house? Do
Speaker 3: you have some other house somewhere?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Why is it always referred to as the beach house?
Speaker 3: I mean, I just say my house.
Speaker 5: It feels to me the same as when they go
Speaker 5: I love you, Hayley Scott, I love you Quinn James.
Speaker 5: Why do we need the last name?
Speaker 3: You know what else? They do always uh, my girl
Speaker 3: and my man, Like every couple says, is my girl hungry.
Speaker 6: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah my man. Have you noticed that every couple.
Speaker 3: It's so irritating. It's clearly something that our creator like
Speaker 3: thought was cute. And it's like me and girls like
Speaker 3: you're never going to make fetch happen. This is the
Speaker 3: same thing to me, We are never going to make
Speaker 3: this happen. Where every single couple has the same little
Speaker 3: nickname for each other. How's my girl today?
Speaker 5: The only thing I still bristle on to this day
Speaker 5: is if I'm doing a job, there's a line where
Speaker 5: the character repeats the person's full name because I got
Speaker 5: just this. We did it so much. I mean truly,
Speaker 5: it was always I love you, Quinn James. It was
Speaker 5: never yeah, I love you Quinn. I mean at least
Speaker 5: that's how it felt to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, does Jenny ever do that like I love
Speaker 3: you Robert Buckley?
Speaker 5: No? And if she did, I'd be like, are you
Speaker 5: is there head trauma? What happened? Why are you doing that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: I love you Jenny and Buckley like, what's your problem?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really was such a thing on our show.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's such a thing.
Speaker 3: We could make it a drinking game like it is
Speaker 3: in every episode and probably multiple times in every episode.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 5: One thing that I really liked was how organic Nathan
Speaker 5: joining Clay's new agency. Yes has been None of it
Speaker 5: felt forced. It all makes complete sense, and it's so
Speaker 5: smart because, like Clay says, you go you have. First
Speaker 5: of all, I love that we got the actor who
Speaker 5: plays Troy back. Yes, great, I wish he had recurred too,
Speaker 5: But I love that Clay says, like, you, dude, you
Speaker 5: have a perspective that very very few people do. Like
Speaker 5: you can offer him something that none of these agents
Speaker 5: or I can't. So get in there and I bought it.
Speaker 5: I loved it, but it was great because it wasn't
Speaker 5: like this clunky thing like a ghost will be an agent.
Speaker 5: It just sort of him showing up for a friend
Speaker 5: to help out. It made sense. Now, I'm like, this
Speaker 5: is perfect.
Speaker 3: And the little detail the thread of Jamie asking Haley,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm worried that dad's gonna be in trouble
Speaker 3: again or I don't know if you said start drinking,
Speaker 3: or that it's just going to be bad because of
Speaker 3: what happened last time he quit basketball, and Haley explaining
Speaker 3: to him the difference that last time basketball left your dad,
Speaker 3: this time he's leaving basketball. But every little chance they
Speaker 3: had that Johnny our writer had to just tie in
Speaker 3: all the little threads. It really does make such a difference.
Speaker 3: And I love seeing Nathan embrace this new side, this
Speaker 3: new thing. It's so cool.
Speaker 5: I loved seeing a different color on Chase. The way
Speaker 5: he was being very cold towards Mia is not something
Speaker 5: that we've seen him do much of at all on
Speaker 5: the show. Yeah, and he was just their whole thing
Speaker 5: was great and arguably my favorite moment of the episode
Speaker 5: is the moment when Julian and Sylvia hit the bar
Speaker 5: at trick, and Chase is like, how about I make
Speaker 5: you a drink? And Julian tries his best to convince
Speaker 5: his mom that it's a bad idea, and she's like
Speaker 5: very insistent, no, no, no nonsense, I'll try it. She
Speaker 5: takes one sip and she says, oh god, that is bad.
Speaker 5: That is a bad drink. That is just terrible and
Speaker 5: walks off.
Speaker 3: So good, bad drink, Sure, so good, so so elegant
Speaker 3: still and subtle and just not going to engage that anymore.
Speaker 5: Wow, And if we're going to be a trick, we
Speaker 5: might as well dive into high five gait as in
Speaker 5: the Fasoka. That is the attempted yet failed emasculation of
Speaker 5: one Julian.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 3: I just loved it. Every time Julian is authentically him,
Speaker 3: just unashamed, awkward, himself, weird artist Julian. I love him
Speaker 3: more and more and more and find him more interesting.
Speaker 3: I want more of him on screen. I just it's
Speaker 3: it's great, be a weird high fiber go for it.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Also, that wasn't weird, if anything, it was enthusiastic. But
Speaker 5: I mean, dude, you're dressed up in a giant dog costume.
Speaker 5: No one's taking themselves seriously right now, And so the
Speaker 5: fact it just made all of the dudes look really
Speaker 5: petty and immature, that like, did.
Speaker 6: You see the way high five?
Speaker 5: To me? Just look like a guy who was going like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, dude, super high up top high five. It's
Speaker 5: so dumb.
Speaker 3: Do you remember ever having a conversation with Austin about this,
Speaker 3: either of you? Were you where he explained like, I
Speaker 3: know what they're trying to do and I know exactly
Speaker 3: how to counteract it, or that he like his intentionality
Speaker 3: around his character with all of this stuff that they
Speaker 3: were writing for him. Did he ever talk about it?
Speaker 4: Do you remember he was really unfazed. Yeah, because he
Speaker 4: understood the the politics of it and knowing that we
Speaker 4: were leading up to Brooke and Julian getting married and
Speaker 4: that very specifically Voldemort did not want Julian to have
Speaker 4: any friends. Yeah, because he didn't want to cast a
Speaker 4: bunch of like cool filmmaker guys. He didn't want to
Speaker 4: bring you know, anymore good looking duds onto.
Speaker 3: Our so boring, what a boring personality?
Speaker 4: This is a fact. I know this. I was like
Speaker 4: so weird that you feel like you're competing with any
Speaker 4: of these people when you're not and never were, Sir, bored,
Speaker 4: I'm boring and embarrassing. It's like so embarrassing.
Speaker 5: Be like if I was threatened by the guys on
Speaker 5: my fantasy football team and I felt like I was
Speaker 5: competing with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you're not in the NFL, honey. It's like
Speaker 4: so bizarre to me.
Speaker 3: The level of insecurity is unbearably boring.
Speaker 5: Do you think this is crazy? I've never thought this
Speaker 5: until right now. But you notice that we were talking
Speaker 5: the other episode, like Lee got himself into great shape. Le,
Speaker 5: He's looking super handsome. I know what is coming up
Speaker 5: for Lee's character? Is there a world in which that,
Speaker 5: as a result of maybe him having a goal up
Speaker 5: getting some positive attention.
Speaker 4: Of course, because.
Speaker 5: That storyline, let's spoil everyone's seen the show. He just
Speaker 5: gains and it becomes a runner that he has just
Speaker 5: gained a lot of weight and he's wearing like a
Speaker 5: legitimate like that's meat.
Speaker 3: What I have ye zero recollection of this.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, remember when they put mouth in a full
Speaker 4: fat suit and facial prosthetic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, storyline is just that he has gained a
Speaker 5: lot of weight. But it's funny because now that I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about it together, it's I know, I'm late to
Speaker 5: the party, but this is the best shape I've ever
Speaker 5: seen lean like, he looks awesome.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, watching this episode last night, all the girls
Speaker 4: were here and Sammy goes, oh my god, Lee's jacked.
Speaker 3: Ye so cute. He looks hand and his hair, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: eyes into it.
Speaker 4: It's also I was going to say a thing, and
Speaker 4: then I was like, maybe that's on, you know, a
Speaker 4: little too far. But let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 4: It's such a weird thing that our boss, who wanted
Speaker 4: to be our friend but was sort of old enough
Speaker 4: almost to be our parent, didn't want competition around so
Speaker 4: wanted to like emasculate all the boys at every step
Speaker 4: that he could. And part of me is like, I
Speaker 4: remember when, you know, our wonderful writers started kind of
Speaker 4: cluing us in on all the things that were going
Speaker 4: on and what they would be told, like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I don't want to cast a bunch of hot guys
Speaker 4: to be Julian's friends. I'm not importing you know, Xyz
Speaker 4: to Wilmington. Blah blah. I'm like, first of all, it's
Speaker 4: so creepy. Second of all, none of us were interested
Speaker 4: in you, and third of all, you were married for
Speaker 4: so long, Like just what a disrespectful Honestly, it's so
Speaker 4: it's so wild to me that in the midst of
Speaker 4: things that were so great, like this is such a
Speaker 4: great episode. All the actors are so great, the kids
Speaker 4: are so great. It's charming, it's sweet. It's like a
Speaker 4: lot of it's so innocent that there was this other
Speaker 4: side to the pendulum, Like as great as some things were,
Speaker 4: there was just this other dynamic that was so basic
Speaker 4: and boring and embarrassing, embarrassing.
Speaker 3: That's like saying, this is one of my favorite Hillary
Speaker 3: tricks that we learned about motherhood when she talked about
Speaker 3: how she would say to her kids when they're throwing
Speaker 3: a fit in public, you're really embarrassing yourself. I use
Speaker 3: that all what I use it. I used it all
Speaker 3: the time. When the first time she said it, I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, it's so good. It's so good. But
Speaker 3: I tell you so smart. I've told so many parents
Speaker 3: that and friends of mine. It's so smart. But this
Speaker 3: is this is the case. It's a child really embarrassing themselves,
Speaker 3: and it's it's so.
Speaker 5: It's so silly and short sighted, right, because it really
Speaker 5: truly that insecurity could have come at the detriment of
Speaker 5: our show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The only reason it didn't is because you had someone
Speaker 5: as charming and talented as Austin. Because had you properly
Speaker 5: emasculated him and he didn't know how to play it,
Speaker 5: you would have really impacted negatively one of your lead men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and leading ladies, because what does that say about
Speaker 3: Brooke exactly?
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's bad. Let's talk about things that weren't bad.
Speaker 5: I this is my favorite transition. I don't know if
Speaker 5: I'm sure this was intentional because you put so much
Speaker 5: thought into it. There was a great moment towards the
Speaker 5: end where Clay and Quinn I believe we're in we're
Speaker 5: in bed and you you you fade into a shot
Speaker 5: of Jamie passed out on the floor from Candy, But
Speaker 5: it looks eerily reminiscent of the way we just found
Speaker 5: Clay and Quinn a couple episodes prior. Was that was
Speaker 5: that intentional?
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 4: It was less like, oh I want to I want
Speaker 4: to call that out and more for me, there's been
Speaker 4: so much that's been heavy and Clay and Quinn are
Speaker 4: safe in bed and Jamie's safe at home, and like,
Speaker 4: what's sweeter than a little kid, you know, passed out
Speaker 4: on the floor. And what felt important to me was
Speaker 4: communicating like the ease and the safety everyone was feeling,
Speaker 4: particularly for your characters, because this is when you discover
Speaker 4: that now you know Quinn is hiding a gun and
Speaker 4: she's really struggling, her anxiety is getting the best of her,
Speaker 4: and maybe she's not really dealing with this post traumatic
Speaker 4: stress at the forefront of your communication as a couple.
Speaker 4: And so rather than I don't think it was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can kind of make it look like that, it
Speaker 4: was more how do I communicate safety without having to
Speaker 4: have people talk about it? And the candy pass out
Speaker 4: for the kid feels very much like the Halloween version
Speaker 4: of Christmas Morning in a way to me, like you
Speaker 4: fall asleep on Hallowey night and you wake up on
Speaker 4: Christmas Morning. And one thing I caught, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys did that I loved because the
Speaker 4: deepening of this moment for Nathan figuring out his identity,
Speaker 4: Haley coming in seeing him watching that game that she
Speaker 4: thought was in the vault and them talking about this
Speaker 4: sort of new chapter, their beginning, you know, to leave
Speaker 4: you two at ease together and see the little boy
Speaker 4: on the ground. It's such a sweet vignette of a family.
Speaker 4: And did you catch Jackson was trying so hard to
Speaker 4: keep his eyes closed at his little feet were going
Speaker 4: like this, like it's total wiggling, you know, because he's
Speaker 4: laying there kind of like I wonder what's happening?
Speaker 3: What are they gonna say?
Speaker 5: Cut?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it made me laugh catching that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate though, what you're saying, Rob about that, uh,
Speaker 3: the callback, because even if it wasn't intentional, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just a great example of letting the material speak
Speaker 3: for itself because when you just lean into the safety,
Speaker 3: the truth is that there we don't feel totally safe
Speaker 3: because there's still some we all know Katie's still out there,
Speaker 3: So it inevitably, as a byproduct, is going to feel
Speaker 3: like there's a sense of foreboding somewhere because it can't
Speaker 3: possibly be all this safe. So it really worked, right, was.
Speaker 5: That colon on the couch that the dunk was there?
Speaker 5: A different scene with Junk that got cut because I
Speaker 5: just thought it was odd that Adams was there, Junk
Speaker 5: Is on the couch passed out. I just thought, like,
Speaker 5: we didn't know he was a part of Thisted.
Speaker 3: The Crisis Center a couple episodes ago, so they maybe
Speaker 3: like peppering him in just to remind the audience, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's here, he's here, He's still around, because doesn't he
Speaker 3: I would assume he'd jump in on mouth storyline that
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't know, so if was he
Speaker 3: in more.
Speaker 4: And having him babysit the kids while we're all at
Speaker 4: trick is a callback. I can't remember if it's a
Speaker 4: it must be a well, I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: a season six or a season seven moment. But remember
Speaker 4: when Junk and Fergie are supposed to be watching Jamie,
Speaker 4: so so we have this recurring thing that they will
Speaker 4: watch the kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot that. You that we all were at trick.
Speaker 5: My brain saw the kids in their costumes and just thought,
Speaker 5: wasn't wasn't Nathan just with them? But you're right, all
Speaker 5: the adults were at trick, and yes, we have established
Speaker 5: that that he babysits.
Speaker 4: And that's part of the reason that we that we
Speaker 4: didn't have Nathan dressed up taking the kids trick or
Speaker 4: treating to very clearly delineate, like he went and did
Speaker 4: the dad thing with the kids and then brought them home,
Speaker 4: got changed and went on a date with Haley to
Speaker 4: open my hair.
Speaker 3: You had your hands full in this episode. So there's
Speaker 3: a lot of moving pieces, a ton of characters, a
Speaker 3: ton of locations, so many storylines to keep track of.
Speaker 5: Golf club did yes, big big golf collaps. Did you
Speaker 5: guys notice my hair looked orange? No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything starts to get that kind of copper tint
Speaker 4: to the color. Timing on our show really goes warrange
Speaker 4: and yell.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had full stripes. I mean that was
Speaker 3: a that was a rough look for my Every time
Speaker 3: we were over my shoulder, I was like, who highlights
Speaker 3: were really struggling. Yeah, each stripe fighting their way through
Speaker 3: that year.
Speaker 4: Coming into season eight, it was like that summer that
Speaker 4: the ombre hair was such a big thing, and you
Speaker 4: really see it with my hair straightened like that, you know,
Speaker 4: flat ironed, pin straight, I'm like, oh wow, look at
Speaker 4: those really light ends. They work a little better in
Speaker 4: a curl than they do. H That was a moment.
Speaker 3: All the little things we notice. Yeah, but think about
Speaker 3: how many girls out there did that with their hair
Speaker 3: because they loved it, because you were wearing it that way,
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 5: Before there was the Rachel, there was the Brook.
Speaker 4: That's right, No she can't.
Speaker 3: First she did technically.
Speaker 5: But that last vignette though, with Nathan and Hailey and Jamie,
Speaker 5: I thought was great. I loved moment of vulnerability where
Speaker 5: Nathan is saying, will I ever be great at anything again?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Now that his basketball chapter is over? I loved that,
Speaker 5: and I love the way Haley reassured him. It was
Speaker 5: yet another moment of just a really good teammate and
Speaker 5: just a good partnership. And then the way you went
Speaker 5: out on it was so beautiful, where it's this slow
Speaker 5: panout shot of the three, and that's the announcer from
Speaker 5: the basketball game, you know, talking about the game itself,
Speaker 5: but obviously it works for this. But he says, Nathan
Speaker 5: Scott is having one of those knights is going to
Speaker 5: remember for the rest of his life. Yeah, It's like, yeah, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 3: It was great that the previous episode was really so
Speaker 3: much about healing in all these different areas, and this
Speaker 3: was just a great transition point, we got a bit
Speaker 3: of all the new things that are breaking forth, a
Speaker 3: little tie up of some things, new stuff with Chasen
Speaker 3: Alex and the relationship now turning into a new zone.
Speaker 3: Where will they won't they? She's going to take off
Speaker 3: and go do a movie. He feels a little bit used,
Speaker 3: He feels a little and sure. So it's I'm really
Speaker 3: excited to see what the next episode's going to be
Speaker 3: because we did put a bow on so many things
Speaker 3: in the previous and this episode.
Speaker 4: Honorable mentions, I mean mine really go to crew like Carol,
Speaker 4: Carl Cusht and Rocky and the makeup. I mean, everyone
Speaker 4: is so good in this episode, and and the way
Speaker 4: people really showed up and committed to this material. It's like,
Speaker 4: I want to give it as a blanket to everybody.
Speaker 4: But they created like it's like they brought extra characters
Speaker 4: to set for us, and I'm just amazed by what
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 3: They were having so much much fun. I mean, you
Speaker 3: can tell it was just because it was out of
Speaker 3: the ordinary. It wasn't what we usually do, so everybody
Speaker 3: was excited to show up and work and do something
Speaker 3: different than they've been doing for the last ten months
Speaker 3: or two years.
Speaker 6: It was great.
Speaker 5: So what's yours Joy crew as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, same same, Carol and Tim and Rocky and I
Speaker 3: mean just the whole. It was Jane and Warder at
Speaker 3: that time, I can't remember, but there's the whole, the
Speaker 3: whole Jane, Jane Bug, that whole crew was outstanding. I
Speaker 3: guess Sophia you can get my honorable mention though, for
Speaker 3: being the director behind the scenes, taking care of it all,
Speaker 3: guiding the ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where I was going to go as well.
Speaker 5: So if you directed the heck out of this episode,
Speaker 5: you should be very proud of it because it's awesome.
Speaker 5: But if I got to give a specific moment from
Speaker 5: the episode, I thought the reveal of Aaron was incredible
Speaker 5: because she does not sing in an Irish accent, so
Speaker 5: I was in no way expect it. So then when
Speaker 5: Haley goes, hey, you're great, and she says like whatever,
Speaker 5: thank you very much with that thick accent, I was like, no,
Speaker 5: holy smokes, it's it's Aaron from the helpline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fun. It was. It was great to
Speaker 4: get her and yeah, that that thing really gave the
Speaker 4: reveal an extra punch. I think you're right, all.
Speaker 5: Right, we got a question here. Bean asks as an actor,
Speaker 5: what has been your hardest scene to act out emotionally?
Speaker 5: For example, like when Brooke finds out she can't have kids,
Speaker 5: or when Hailey lost her mom. Also, of those heavy
Speaker 5: scenes which have been your favorite, I would say the
Speaker 5: funeral scene, Sarah's funeral scene was probably the hardest one
Speaker 5: I did on this show, just because again it was
Speaker 5: the heaviest scene I'd ever done in my career to
Speaker 5: that point. It was something I had absolutely no experience with,
Speaker 5: and I just put so much pressure on myself. So
Speaker 5: that would say that was my most challenging. Happy with
Speaker 5: how it turned out, but yeah, it was stressful at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hailey thinks Nathan has died, just to go to
Speaker 3: the morgue to like look at the body.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I think it's coming up if we haven't
Speaker 3: had it already. But oh yeah, because that's my short
Speaker 3: haircut so it's the last season. Oh, that was just
Speaker 3: really hard because I can cry so much better if
Speaker 3: there's another person in the scene. Yeah, Like, I'm so
Speaker 3: connected to energy of people that like, if I'm looking
Speaker 3: at you, I can I sense what your energy is
Speaker 3: and it's great as an actor unless you're working with
Speaker 3: somebody who's super robotic, and then that's hard. But it's
Speaker 3: to just have to conjure all that on my own.
Speaker 3: I remember it feeling really difficult, and like they were great,
Speaker 3: they tried. I mean, I played some music over the
Speaker 3: loudspeaker on set and everybody was quiet and I was,
Speaker 3: but then I felt self conscious about having to take
Speaker 3: over the stage with my music and my process and
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is feels so like everybody's looking
Speaker 3: at me.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It was just hard to get out of my head
Speaker 3: and really be there. And I think also because I
Speaker 3: was actually pregnant at the time, and I didn't I
Speaker 3: was already so stressed out in my real life and
Speaker 3: worried about the stress on the baby that then to
Speaker 3: go to work and have to do something enormously stressful
Speaker 3: and worry that that was muscle memory that was going
Speaker 3: to be, you know, those hormones moving into my baby, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was. I really did not like
Speaker 3: shooting that. That was the hardest.
Speaker 4: I was having a very similar thought, and it's interesting
Speaker 4: to me that that were both for each of our characters,
Speaker 4: having a similar experience. The storyline of Brook finding out
Speaker 4: she couldn't have kids. It was so sad and tragic,
Speaker 4: and everybody cried on set that damnian. Maddie was crying
Speaker 4: behind the camera Austin like we but I got to
Speaker 4: do that with Austin and talk through it, say what
Speaker 4: was happening. The thing that was the hardest for me,
Speaker 4: much like what you're saying, was when I was just
Speaker 4: scripted to finally break down at Quentin's funeral because there
Speaker 4: was no talking, nothing was happening. We were just standing
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at this casket and they're like, okay,
Speaker 4: sob now. And that, to me, is so much harder
Speaker 4: than actually having an emotional experience with another person and
Speaker 4: letting that emotion come out to just be you know,
Speaker 4: like you had to in the Morgue, to just be
Speaker 4: like okay, and we're gonna pan and then come up
Speaker 4: to your face and if that's when you could start bawling,
Speaker 4: that would be great. And you're like, okay, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 5: And now that you say that, all I had was
Speaker 5: just an empty casket. There was no one on set
Speaker 5: with me that day. Interesting, You're right, it is so
Speaker 5: much easier when you have another person to feed off of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because because you get to find it and you
Speaker 4: can say, like give me a second, and like will
Speaker 4: you repeat that? You know, if you need it, you can.
Speaker 4: You can have a journey.
Speaker 5: Let's spin a wheel. Most likely, Uh oh, I feel attacked?
Speaker 5: Most likely? Actually so if I feel attacked too. Most
Speaker 5: likely to keep Christmas decorations up all year is that
Speaker 5: you were ash that would feel attacked? Actually probably, I.
Speaker 4: Mean she just loves Christmas decretition. I love to decorate
Speaker 4: for all the things. Yeah, yeah, probably maybe her the most.
Speaker 4: But there is there is current only one tree still
Speaker 4: left up. Thank you, I'm getting here. Wow, only one.
Speaker 5: That's impressive. I dragged my feet until Jenny finally said,
Speaker 5: enough is enough. You need to take it on the
Speaker 5: Christmas lights, so I would say, I'm on the short list.
Speaker 3: I leave those lights on all year round. You kidding me?
Speaker 3: Such a pain? They asked to put them up. Just
Speaker 3: leave them.
Speaker 5: I do not disagree.
Speaker 4: You leave them on the house and then just don't
Speaker 4: turn them on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're white. They go along the edge
Speaker 3: of the gutter. It's not like you see them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: why now, why not? I do still have some some
Speaker 3: decorations that need to go in a box. Though they're
Speaker 3: all in one at least they're all in one area,
Speaker 3: but the boxes are out, they still need to go
Speaker 3: up into the attic.
Speaker 4: I have this sort of fantasy, you know, when you
Speaker 4: do the thing you're driving with you know, your friends
Speaker 4: or your partner or whatever, and you see the like,
Speaker 4: oh and the power ball is seven hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: six million dollars this week, you know, and you do
Speaker 4: the like what would you do if you if like
Speaker 4: if you won the lottery? What would you do? And
Speaker 4: you know, there's the meme that goes around that's like
Speaker 4: you wouldn't know, but there would be signs. I'm like,
Speaker 4: if I think about it, and one of the top
Speaker 4: things on my list, you know when you go to
Speaker 4: like a botanical garden and they have the lights that
Speaker 4: wrap all the trees. Oh yeah, like they're I think
Speaker 4: they're in clear tubes and they go around like all
Speaker 4: the way up the palm trees and they do the
Speaker 4: full oak trees and they just look they magical. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, if I won the power ball, I would
Speaker 4: have someone come and wrap every tree that I can
Speaker 4: see in my yard. I would ask my neighbors. I'd
Speaker 4: be like, I'll pay for it. Can I just the
Speaker 4: whole neighborhood like that? That would be the sign probably
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: And then they'd be up all year and we would
Speaker 4: just be in like wonder Wonderland, Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 3: Next episode, Season eight, Episode seven, Luck be a lady. Okay,
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