WEBVTT - Tech News: Twitter Takes a Poison Pill

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. Heythren,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an executive producer with iHeart Radio. And how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you. It's time for the tech news for Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>April nineteenth, twenty twenty two. And you know, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a whole week since we learned of Elon Musk's desire

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<v Speaker 1>to outright purchase controlling shares of Twitter, And as Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>Palpatine would say, everything is proceeding exactly as I have foreseen,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, a more fun way to say

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<v Speaker 1>I told you so. You might remember last week on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>I said that Musk's decision not to take a seat

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<v Speaker 1>at the board of directors at Twitter could indicate that

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually going to try for a hostile takeover,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of situation, And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>day we learned that's exactly what he was doing. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you might remember on last Thursday, I said that Twitter's

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<v Speaker 1>board of directors might choose a pathway to foil that

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<v Speaker 1>plan by implementing a poison pill strategy, and sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they did. So look at me, I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the future except, of course, I think pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>anyone paying any attention to this would have come to

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<v Speaker 1>the same conclusion. So really I'm nothing special. Anyway. You

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<v Speaker 1>might wonder what the heck a poison pill is, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually a couple of different versions of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>the one that Twitter looks to be employing looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a flip in poison pill to me. I'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>actually read more about it to find out. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is where a company seeing that's in danger of being

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<v Speaker 1>acquired ends up offering up new shares of stock to

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<v Speaker 1>existing shareholders, but they exclude the party that's actually trying

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire the company. So they're saying, hey, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>new shares and you can buy them in discount, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy them cheaper than what they're going for

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<v Speaker 1>on the market. That gets a live shareholders to buy

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<v Speaker 1>up shares. That dilutes the would be acquirers ownership. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got more shares of the stuff going out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but the acquirer can't get hold of them, so their

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<v Speaker 1>steak in elon Musk's case, we're talking around nine two

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<v Speaker 1>starts to get smaller because there's more, there's more pie

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<v Speaker 1>out there and they're not allowed to get any more

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<v Speaker 1>of the pie. This also can have a big impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the value of the stocks themselves, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, it can make it way more expensive to

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<v Speaker 1>complete a takeover. And Musk has already kind of given

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<v Speaker 1>his um his his final bid of what he will spend.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if he has to buy even more

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<v Speaker 1>shares of stock in order to get that controlling interest,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's going to cost him more because there are

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<v Speaker 1>more shares out there now. Usk has in return tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>that should his acquisition succeed, one of the first moves

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna make is he's going to reduce the salary

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<v Speaker 1>of the board of directors to zero dollars. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a knockdown, drag out, ugly business fight

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<v Speaker 1>in the tech space. Uh, still too early to say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what's gonna happen. I would be surprised if the

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition goes through. I would actually be surprised if Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is really sincere about going after it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the man, and um it could very well

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<v Speaker 1>be that this is legit what he wants to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg reports that Tesla's factory in Shanghai is really shifting

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<v Speaker 1>into a higher gear pun intended, and this is in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of shutdowns in the region due to COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might remember that China takes a pretty drastic

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<v Speaker 1>approach to addressing COVID outbreaks. The government forces entire regions

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<v Speaker 1>to shut down and isolate. That includes regions that host

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<v Speaker 1>massive industrial facilities like the Shanghai Tesla facility, which was

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<v Speaker 1>closed for three weeks because of COVID. So now the

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<v Speaker 1>bosses at the factory are looking at a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make up for lost time and also to prevent future shutdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are doing this by forcing employees to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the factory for several weeks all the time, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're not allowed to go home, so that includes sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>at the factory. Reportedly, the company has been handing out

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<v Speaker 1>mattresses and sleeping bags to employees and they will have

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<v Speaker 1>to stay on the premises. Now, presumably this is also

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<v Speaker 1>to head off the possibility of another outbreak, because if

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<v Speaker 1>one does occur in Shanghai, while the factory would then

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<v Speaker 1>have to shut down, but by having all of its

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<v Speaker 1>employees already at the factory, they can just shut down

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<v Speaker 1>in place and just keep on producing cars even while

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the region is on lockdown. UM as

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<v Speaker 1>for the employees, you know, quality of life, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's not all bad. They will have designated places where

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<v Speaker 1>they're allowed to sleep on the floor of the shiny

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla factory. Uh. They'll also have access to shower facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>They will get three meals a day, and they will

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<v Speaker 1>get an allowance equivalent to about sixty dollars a day luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being a bit facetious here. Tesla initiated the plan

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and they will continue to force employees to live

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<v Speaker 1>at the factory until at least May first. Oh brave

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<v Speaker 1>New world to have such corporations in it. And news

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<v Speaker 1>related to electric vehicles are j Scaringe, the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the electric adventure vehicle company Rivian, has echoed concerns that

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk made a few months ago, so really repeating

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<v Speaker 1>something that Musk has already said, which is that the

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<v Speaker 1>world's ability to produce batteries that are suitable for electric

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles is way behind what demand is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in just a few years. As governments around the world

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<v Speaker 1>are passing legislation that will ban the sale of new

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<v Speaker 1>internal combustion engine vehicles in the not too distant future.

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<v Speaker 1>The general assumption is that electric vehicles are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take their place. But electric vehicles need batteries, and right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the world just doesn't produce that many of them, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not enough to meet global demand assuming a shift to

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<v Speaker 1>E VS from I sees, that is, electric vehicles from

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<v Speaker 1>internal combustion engine vehicles. Now. Our j told The Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal that, quote, the world's cell production combined represents

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<v Speaker 1>well under ten percent of what we will need in

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<v Speaker 1>ten years end. Quote. So this point is, unless there's

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<v Speaker 1>a massive change, including huge investments in production, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to involve everything from mining the raw materials to

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing the batteries themselves. Unless there's this massive increase across

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<v Speaker 1>the board, we are going to encounter a supply change

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<v Speaker 1>shortage that makes the semiconductor crisis look quaint by comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>The demand for vehicles will still be very high, but

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<v Speaker 1>supply will be insufficient. Like if you're in a world

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<v Speaker 1>where you can't sell internal combustion engine vehicles and it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be an electric vehicle, but you're only able

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<v Speaker 1>to produce ten of the electric vehicle batteries needed to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the world's demand. You could easily imagine that vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>prices would hit the stratosphere. I mean, demand is always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be intense, people are always going to need vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>Supply will be very very low. That means that even

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<v Speaker 1>a simple car like one that doesn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bells and whistles on it could be well beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the purchasing range of most people. And so people like

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<v Speaker 1>Musk and r J are making the argument that while

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<v Speaker 1>a change to e VS makes sense from an environmental standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>like it makes sense for us to get off of

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<v Speaker 1>internal combustion engine vehicles, there's no denying that there are

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<v Speaker 1>still practical challenges that we have to acknowledge and tackle

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<v Speaker 1>if we are going to make it happen. So, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, it's not this is a bad idea, but

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<v Speaker 1>rather this is unsupportable unless we figure something out. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>we're just going to be in a different crisis of

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<v Speaker 1>our own making. In our ongoing coverage of how the

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<v Speaker 1>labor movement in the United States is affecting the tech sector,

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post reports that employees at the main Apple

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<v Speaker 1>store in New York City have begun to circulate petitions

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<v Speaker 1>in an effort to unionize. The employees leading the effort

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<v Speaker 1>have taken the quaint name fruit Stand Workers United, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know Apple fruit Stand cute. Among the employees, concerns

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<v Speaker 1>are that pay has remained stagnant even as inflation increases,

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<v Speaker 1>which just means that employees are effectively earning less over time. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>they claim that employees have been subjected to quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>unfair or abusive practices. The process of forming a union

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<v Speaker 1>requires several steps. First, the employees have to collect signatures.

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<v Speaker 1>This is getting people to sign a union card, and

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<v Speaker 1>at least of the employees at the store would have

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<v Speaker 1>to sign a card. They would then submit those signed

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<v Speaker 1>cards to the National Labor Relations Board, which would then

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<v Speaker 1>authorize a vote for the employees to to hold about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not to form a union. UH This would

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<v Speaker 1>take a majority vote for the n l r B

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<v Speaker 1>two back an employee union. Apple would then have to

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<v Speaker 1>either acknowledge the union or try to fight back and

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to acknowledge it, at which point the employees would

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<v Speaker 1>likely have to lean on the n l r B

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<v Speaker 1>to support them in order to force Apple's hand and

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<v Speaker 1>accept the union's existence. Now, according to the Post employees.

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<v Speaker 1>At least a few other app stores are also exploring

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of forming unions. So, like I've said several

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<v Speaker 1>times in the recent past, it does look like we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a bit of a labor movement in the US

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<v Speaker 1>these days. We've got more to say about labor and

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<v Speaker 1>tech and lots of other stuff, including some cool science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction e stuff. But first, let's take a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>over at Amazon. The company has a court mandate ordering

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<v Speaker 1>them to reinstate Gerald Bryson. So two years ago, Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>protested working conditions in the Staten Island fulfillment center where

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<v Speaker 1>he worked. He argued that conditions in the facility were unsafe,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly due to COVID, because this was just as COVID

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<v Speaker 1>was starting to become a major thing, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>and his fellow co workers were in danger working in

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<v Speaker 1>those conditions. Amazon subsequently terminated his employment, and Bryson brought

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<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit against the company and argued that the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>for termination were purely retaliatory for his protest. So, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, it was the company striking back at him

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing attention to these matters, and that's against the

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<v Speaker 1>law here in the United States. The court agreed with Bryson.

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<v Speaker 1>They ruled that Amazon had unfairly fired him in retaliation

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<v Speaker 1>for his protest, and Judge Benjamin W. Green has ordered

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon to reinstate Bryson to his former position, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as pay him back pay owed to him because he

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<v Speaker 1>should have been employed that whole time, since the termination

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<v Speaker 1>was unjust. Bryson worked at the same facility in Staten

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<v Speaker 1>Island that recently held its own successful push to unionize,

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<v Speaker 1>so again ties into what we were talking about before

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<v Speaker 1>the break. Amazon also released a statement last week two

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<v Speaker 1>shareholders announcing that it has hired a law firm that's

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<v Speaker 1>led by Lauretta Lynch, a former U. S Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct an awe it on the company's policies and

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<v Speaker 1>practices with regard to how they affect racial equity. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon's current plan only focuses on hourly employees. It does

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<v Speaker 1>not cover salaried employees. Current and former employees who have

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<v Speaker 1>filed lawsuits against Amazon arguing that you know Amazon's work

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<v Speaker 1>place conditions have led to things like racist treatment. They

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<v Speaker 1>say that Amazon's plan is not enough. In fact, some

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<v Speaker 1>of those employees are or were salaried ones, and they

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<v Speaker 1>point out that their cases, their complaints wouldn't register in

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<v Speaker 1>such an audit, they wouldn't count, and that Amazon's plan

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<v Speaker 1>was designed specifically to limit the damage the audit might do.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, the plan won't extend to employees at places

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<v Speaker 1>like Whole Foods Market. It's just that the Amazon facilities

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and Amazon reps say that the audit will cover

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<v Speaker 1>the largest part of the company's workforce. That you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the hourly workforce makes the vast majority already of Amazon's payroll,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a good audit. Critics, however, claim that

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<v Speaker 1>it's really Amazon's way to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>damage control. Um. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, and we'll have to wait to see what

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<v Speaker 1>the audit uncovers. Janko Ritger's of Protocol reports that Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>has a couple of job listings that might indicate the

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<v Speaker 1>company's foray into mixed or extended reality endeavors. One such

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<v Speaker 1>listing says the employee will work on creating extended reality

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<v Speaker 1>concepts that will eventually at least coalesce into a product

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort, but no other real details were mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that makes sense. I mean, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to spell everything out in a job listing, but the

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<v Speaker 1>listings in general indicate the Amazon is interested in developing, producing,

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<v Speaker 1>and marketing those kinds of devices. So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that could be virtual reality or augmented reality or

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<v Speaker 1>something in between. And since everyone is gung ho for

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<v Speaker 1>the metaverse, this should not come as a huge surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>The vision of the metaverse includes the back end, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the actual stuff we will encounter as we navigate

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<v Speaker 1>through the metaverse. But then you also have the front end,

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<v Speaker 1>the technology that we will be using to access the

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<v Speaker 1>metaverse in the first place. Right now, companies like Meta

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<v Speaker 1>are way in the lead on that front, having at

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<v Speaker 1>least reached modest success with their VR products. A R

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<v Speaker 1>has had a bit of a tougher go, partly because

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<v Speaker 1>the really cool stuff has it made it to the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer market. I mean, I think the Microsoft hollow lens

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrations I saw. I never got to try one myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I only got to see videos of them. Those demonstrations

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<v Speaker 1>were super nifty. I thought they were really cool. But

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft has kind of held that tech back from consumer technology. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they market it to companies for all sorts of official purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>like for training and for engineering and that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, but you know, I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>get my grubby little hands on the thing. Plus, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the demos they showed off included a Minecraft demo,

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<v Speaker 1>and come on, you're gonna show off Minecraft. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to become a consumer technology, right Anyway, I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>that Amazon getting into this space really comes as a surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just interesting to see confirmation in the form of

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<v Speaker 1>job listings. As for what kind of timeline we should

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<v Speaker 1>expect before we start seeing Amazon branded mixed reality systems,

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess that's gonna take a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>at least, because I mean, you know, starting from ideation

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<v Speaker 1>to production, it takes some time. Business Insider ran an

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<v Speaker 1>article about a former TikTok Global account director named Pabo

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez that gives a bit of insight into how the

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<v Speaker 1>company does business, and it ain't pretty so. According to Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>employees at TikTok corporate headquarters are encouraged, which I often

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<v Speaker 1>find is really a euphemism to mean they were directed

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<v Speaker 1>to work very long hours and even attend work meetings

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<v Speaker 1>on weekends so on their days off. Now, Martinez referred

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<v Speaker 1>to this as adhering to the nine nine six culture,

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<v Speaker 1>and nine is in reference to a pretty brutal work

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<v Speaker 1>schedule that a lot of Chinese companies, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 1>tech sector, followed, and I guess some of them still do.

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<v Speaker 1>So means you start your work day at nine am

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<v Speaker 1>and you work until nine pm, and you do that

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<v Speaker 1>six times a week, nine nine six. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds horrible, you're right. In fact, it was bad

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<v Speaker 1>enough in China that ultimately the Chinese Supreme Court declared

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<v Speaker 1>that it was an illegal practice. Whether or not companies

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<v Speaker 1>have actually stopped doing that, I don't know, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're supposed to. And apparently that kind of merciless

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<v Speaker 1>approach to work and the complete denial of a work

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<v Speaker 1>life balance filtered down through Bite Dance, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese company that is the parent company to TikTok, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's saturated into the TikTok work culture. Now, considering that

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative TikTok has been pushing for years is that

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok is really an American company and that it has

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<v Speaker 1>very little connective tissue to its Chinese parent company, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say this revelation ain't exactly good news for TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>The company has constantly had to deny that it is

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<v Speaker 1>filtering information data back to Bite Dance, and that in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be seen as sort of a surveillance company

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of China. That's an accusation the company has

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<v Speaker 1>denied for a long time. But if it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that they are employing practices that are very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese work culture practices, that raises some doubts, right uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if it were to turn out that there

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<v Speaker 1>were no directives coming down from Bite Dance, that no

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<v Speaker 1>one from Bite Dance was telling TikTok, hey, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to institute these work practices. There's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pushback against this kind of thing lately here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've seen it in the video game industry

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, where there's a real effort to eliminate crunch. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That also happens in other kinds of production. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just a bad, bad look for TikTok, as

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<v Speaker 1>the kids say, so, we'll have to wait and see

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<v Speaker 1>if TikTok has a response to this. As I record

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, I have not seen one from the company.

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<v Speaker 1>Preston Dunlap, the former Chief architect officer for the U

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<v Speaker 1>S Department of Defense, gave an interview to Bloomberg News

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<v Speaker 1>to explain why he decided to resign his position. Now

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<v Speaker 1>essentially done. My apps major complaint is that the US

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<v Speaker 1>government is so bureaucratic that it is impossible to move

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<v Speaker 1>with any alacrity when adopting new technological strategies. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>move fast like the Silicon Valley philosophy, at least for

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<v Speaker 1>the longest time, has been move fast and break things.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not allowed to do that when you're working a

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<v Speaker 1>government job. Though, first of all, moving fast is impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>and breaking things is really frowned upon. So Dunlap argues

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<v Speaker 1>that the US is falling further and further behind technologically,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the realm of defense, and he said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time the government manages to produce something, it's

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<v Speaker 1>too often obsolete end quote. Now, I could definitely see

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<v Speaker 1>how that would be really frustrating, And in fact, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen manifestations of this in different aspects of politics where

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<v Speaker 1>it intertwines with tech. It's nearly always the case that

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<v Speaker 1>technological evolution greatly outpaces the government's pace and its capability

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<v Speaker 1>of handling tech. So we've seen this in realms where

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<v Speaker 1>the government has been considering passing regulations to limit the

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<v Speaker 1>negative impact of certain technologies. By the time all that

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<v Speaker 1>gets hashed out and signed into law, you're already onto

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing. So it's always the government's always behind

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to catch up. But we also see it

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<v Speaker 1>when the government is trying to implement technology and technological solutions,

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of thing. By the time you've gotten all

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<v Speaker 1>the approvals and you've gotten the budget and you've you've

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<v Speaker 1>put the team together and everybody's actually building stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got it all finished, it's already out of date.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dunlap is not the first official to resign while

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<v Speaker 1>citing frustrations with issues with bureaucracy. Last year, Nicholas Chiland

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<v Speaker 1>stepped down and warned that China is pulling ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States in the field of artificial intelligence. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've actually seen other officials make this same argument. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, it's kind of hard to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>solutions for this unless you're talking about forming departments that

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<v Speaker 1>have way less oversight and way more freedom. But then

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<v Speaker 1>you get into dangerous territory. As well. Right, like we've

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<v Speaker 1>all seen and read and experienced media that's all about

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<v Speaker 1>some secret department that doesn't have oversight and all the

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<v Speaker 1>terrible things that it can do. Uh. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>risk you run when you go that way. But on

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<v Speaker 1>the flip side, if you have endless layers of oversight,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to make any progress whatsoever. Hopefully there's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of middle ground there where progress can be made.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, yet you aren't giving people free reign to

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<v Speaker 1>be evil mad scientists. A boy can dream. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take another break. When we come back, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple more news stories stick with us. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the break, I talked about how Preston Dunlap stepped

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<v Speaker 1>down from the Department of Defense, citing the issues with

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the government uh departments adopting technological solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>This does not mean that the US military is in

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<v Speaker 1>the Stone Age. It is far from it. The U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Navy recently issued a press release revealing that back in

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<v Speaker 1>February of this year, a trial of the layered Laser

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<v Speaker 1>Defense System or l l D, proved successful in bringing

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<v Speaker 1>down a high speed drone that was kind of standing

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<v Speaker 1>in for a cruise missile. They also took down other

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<v Speaker 1>style drones and some other targets. The laser that the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy used is an all electric laser, which simplifies the

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<v Speaker 1>operations compared to older chemical based laser systems. So essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>the the weapons system would have power as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the ship it's on is powered, and the system includes

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<v Speaker 1>a telescopic targeting system. It's guided by artificial intelligence and

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<v Speaker 1>can be used to attack aerial or naval targets. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we've got our pew pew lasers that could be

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<v Speaker 1>standard issue on US Navy vessels in the not too

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<v Speaker 1>distant future. Uh, really useful for defense like shooting down

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<v Speaker 1>cruise missiles or targeting military drones. Very useful kind of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting that we've gotten to the point where we can

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<v Speaker 1>have a powerful enough laser take down those targets that quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously, uh, you know, the lasers that I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with are ones that would take a sustained amount of

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<v Speaker 1>time on a target to do any real damage. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about something like a cruise missile, the

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<v Speaker 1>time of operation has to be super fast. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very curious to learn more about the actual technicals specs

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<v Speaker 1>of the l l D. I imagine they are terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>In the U S. State of Pennsylvania, legislators have introduced

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<v Speaker 1>a measure that I hope to see deployed around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a small thing, but it's a meaningful one

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<v Speaker 1>and it's being called click to cancel. And this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>about making it easier to punish people for saying and

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<v Speaker 1>doing awful things. It's not that kind of canceling. This

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<v Speaker 1>is actually about canceling service subscriptions. So if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 1>you've probably got at least half a dozen different subscribed

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<v Speaker 1>services under your belt. In fact, if I counted all

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that I'm subscribed to, I'm sure there's at

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<v Speaker 1>least ten or twelve, and I'm probably forgetting a few

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<v Speaker 1>in that as well. And that's a big problem for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. Um it could be difficult just

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<v Speaker 1>keeping track of all the subscriptions, let alone being able

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of them if you don't want them anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So this legislation would require companies to make it very

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<v Speaker 1>clear to customers that they have an active subscription to

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<v Speaker 1>the company services. And moreover, that should be as simple

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<v Speaker 1>as clicking and on screen option to cancel that subscription. So,

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>in other words, you should receive regular notices about the

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>services you're subscribed to, and you should have the option

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<v Speaker 1>to piece out of them whenever you want. Now, considering

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that a lot of companies make it inconvenient

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to even find out how to unsubscribe, then they can

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<v Speaker 1>set customers on a wild goose chase in order to

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<v Speaker 1>see it through. This would be a big change, one

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<v Speaker 1>that would be really positive for consumers, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it would be pretty much welcome everywhere. I'll keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye on the story to see if this proposed legislation

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<v Speaker 1>makes it all the way into law and what effect

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<v Speaker 1>that might have in other areas. Maybe you will see

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<v Speaker 1>this become a trend. Euro News reports something pretty darn interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some scientists in Sweden came up with a way to

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<v Speaker 1>store solar energy that could allow for long term storage.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all involves shape changing molecules. All right, so

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<v Speaker 1>follow me on this one. If you want to make

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<v Speaker 1>something change shape, you have to exert energy to do it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you want to compress a spring, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to push down on the spring to do it. Then

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<v Speaker 1>if you let go the spring goes back to its

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<v Speaker 1>original shape. It's effectively pushing back. The scientists did something

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>similar to this by creating an engineered molecule that, when

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<v Speaker 1>it is exposed to solar energy, changes shape. If that

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 1>molecule is then immersed in liquid, it will hold that

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<v Speaker 1>changed shape. But then if you mix a certain catalyst

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<v Speaker 1>into the mixture, the molecules will revert to their original shape,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the process, the molecule has to release energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it took energy to make it change shape in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place, so when it goes back, it has

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<v Speaker 1>to relinquish that energy. That energy is in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of heat. So you could use a system like this

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<v Speaker 1>to absorb solar energy, store it in liquid, and then

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<v Speaker 1>release it on demand, and you could use the heat

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<v Speaker 1>to do some sort of useful work, like using it

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<v Speaker 1>to help generate electricity. So far, the amounts that the

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>scientists have generated in electricity, those those amounts are very small.

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<v Speaker 1>It's far too small to really do any useful work.

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<v Speaker 1>But the concept is solid and could be incredibly useful

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. It's almost like bottling liquid sunshine. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought that was really nifty. And finally, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to mention that NASA recently announced that way back

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<v Speaker 1>in they beamed hologram doctors to the International Space Station

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't even tell us about it. And I, for one,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm offended that they sat on this for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come out, we're talking Star Trek Voyager kind

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>of stuff here, if you if you watch Voyage or

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you know they had a holographic doctor. Anyway, the team

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>of doctors were led by flight surgeon doctor Joseph Schmid.

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<v Speaker 1>And you might wonder how the heck they manage this?

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<v Speaker 1>How did they get a hologram aboard the I S

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<v Speaker 1>S Well, they use some technology that's been available for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while, including the Microsoft hollow lens, which I

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier in this episode, and a Connect camera. You

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<v Speaker 1>might remember the Connect was a peripheral for the Xbox consoles,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, that camera is able to sense depth, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when you combine that with a projection system, you

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<v Speaker 1>can project three dimensional images. So the hollow lens is

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<v Speaker 1>an augmented reality device which can overlay digital information on

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<v Speaker 1>top of your view of the real world around you.

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<v Speaker 1>So astronauts in the International Space Station we're wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>hollow lens and thus able to see and interact with

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors. The doctors remained back here on Earth. The

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<v Speaker 1>experiments that a record for the long distance in hollow portation,

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<v Speaker 1>as they called it. I hate that term, but I

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<v Speaker 1>get what they're saying, hollow teleportation. So this was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like an even geekier version of telepresence or video

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<v Speaker 1>chat something like that. Also, I should add in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>the hollowportation was only in one direction, so the astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the hollow lens they could see the holograms of

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors, but the doctors were not wearing hollow lens.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no connect camera aboard the I s S,

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<v Speaker 1>so they weren't able to see the astronauts the same

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<v Speaker 1>way the astronauts were able to see them. NASA says

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<v Speaker 1>it does plan to create future systems that will allow

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<v Speaker 1>for two way hollow presence, and that could be really useful.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you could imagine, let's say an astronaut has to

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<v Speaker 1>conduct a specific experiment that involves operating some really tricky

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<v Speaker 1>high tech equipment. You could get the person who designed

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment or who built it, or an expert in

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<v Speaker 1>the field to be in a hollow presence with that astronaut.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the expert doesn't have to travel up to

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<v Speaker 1>the International Space Station. They're here on Earth, but through

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<v Speaker 1>cameras they can see what the astronauts sees and help

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<v Speaker 1>guide them through the experiment. That could be incredibly useful,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is also really nifty. And that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for today's episode of tech Stuff. If you have suggestions

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