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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anybody who looks quite like Sale,

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Speaker 1: and I think that difference. You know, we heard that

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Speaker 1: combined with the nasty stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so part of the theme of today's show is

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Speaker 2: reacting to the player poll that was put out in

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Speaker 2: the Athletic There are a number of categories, so we'll

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Speaker 2: try and get to some of them, and then we'll

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Speaker 2: also have a guest on to talk more about it.

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Speaker 2: But let's just do the manager side for this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys see this? Did you see this? Or

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Speaker 2: do you want me to quiz you?

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. I saw a little bit of it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the manager that you haven't seen it?

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Speaker 2: The manager that players most want to play for.

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Speaker 3: Is do they most want to play for?

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Speaker 2: M hm?

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Speaker 4: It's got to be like Dave Roberts or aj Hinch,

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Speaker 4: one of those two.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Cash, Oh, no vote.

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Speaker 2: He was in the top three though, Tito's too.

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Speaker 3: Steven vote.

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Speaker 2: When I say this one, you'll go, oh yeah, that

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Speaker 2: that tracks big big resume. Oh Bruce Bochi Rangers, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's won a ton he.

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Speaker 4: Treats his players good fame, handle every situation. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: makes it. Boach is fun to be around. A wait,

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about it and the dog. I never

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Speaker 4: played for him, but I'm talking off the field. He's

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Speaker 4: a fun guy, right.

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Speaker 3: Ye. Thanks, I appreciate your saying that. Just really plus

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Speaker 3: it rained.

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Speaker 4: Plus if it rains, he could take his hat off

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Speaker 4: and put it over the whole city and it stays

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Speaker 4: dry when we're dry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The great quote that I found from that portion was

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Speaker 2: a player. Because it's all anonymous, right, they talked to

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Speaker 2: one hundred plus players. A player on Tito, he commands

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Speaker 2: a room almost like a friend. He's still an authoritative figure,

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Speaker 2: but I would say he's more like a young grandpa.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was just a fun life.

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Speaker 5: I would know he's a grandpa, but I would say

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Speaker 5: he's more like an uncle. I would say he's more

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Speaker 5: like an uncle. But spring training with Terry Francona is

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Speaker 5: worth all six weeks of spring training. He has a

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Speaker 5: slogan team that gambles together, wins together, and like there's

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Speaker 5: like you'd play games in spring training, like sometimes they

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Speaker 5: like fifty dollars for the first one off the field,

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Speaker 5: like he has an MVP of every game, every spring

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Speaker 5: training game that you win, he's got an MVP. Sometimes

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Speaker 5: they can't, the coaches can't agree, and they'll split. They'll

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Speaker 5: split the one hundred dollars, but you get a hundred

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Speaker 5: dollars if you win MVP. Like a lot of people

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Speaker 5: are very engaged in Terry Francona's spring training.

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Speaker 2: Fun.

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Speaker 3: Anything to break up spring training.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'll go to the other side of this, which,

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Speaker 2: no surprise, received a lot of na as in they

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Speaker 2: didn't vote, but they tried to get players to say

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Speaker 2: the top manager they wouldn't want to play for. Patrickfall

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Speaker 2: not eligible. Although you know who was on this list.

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Speaker 2: I didn't read into how that happened. But Kapler cracked

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Speaker 2: the list.

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Speaker 3: He's not even.

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Speaker 2: In a minute. I'll just read you. There were only

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Speaker 2: forty players that chose to respond out of the one

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Speaker 2: hundred plus. They respond to almost everything else. Most of

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Speaker 2: them are just like, I'm not going there. And in fairness,

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Speaker 2: I started reading some of the quotes, like Ali Marmole

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Speaker 2: of the players who voted for him said this direct quote,

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Speaker 2: I don't really know many managers. I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: someone who is the Cardinals guy. Yeah, just put him down.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, Okay, clearly don't know Allie because all

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Speaker 4: he's very nice and right.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. I the votes are so low.

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Speaker 4: This is my favorite one, Ron Washington, because I want

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Speaker 4: to use my cell phone. Yes, that's the best one.

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Speaker 3: But the quote because I want to use my cell

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Speaker 5: I think we're done. I think the game. I think

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Speaker 5: the game's done with having managers that are not player centric.

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Speaker 5: Now you're gonna have You're gonna have managers that guys

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Speaker 5: they'll do anything to hold on. They'll have a death

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Speaker 3: Most front offices. Somebody screwed one up a few years ago, but.

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Speaker 2: True one listen.

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Speaker 3: I played with some managers.

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Speaker 4: I played for some managers that would do anything they

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Speaker 4: could to make the media happy.

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Speaker 3: After the game.

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Speaker 4: Like their moves, we're predicated on the answers. They'd have

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Speaker 4: like crowds.

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Speaker 3: They get you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know managers now who use the media

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Speaker 2: to talk to their players.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but that's fine, as long as that's fine

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Speaker 4: they're listen. I played for Rozzie Gehan for seven years.

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Speaker 4: You think Ozzie Gan didn't use the media to get

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Speaker 3: Of course you did it every day. Of course he did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean I remember I had a combo

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Speaker 2: with the current manager who was like, I know there

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Speaker 2: are some players who I can chat with, but then

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Speaker 2: if I say something to the media, they will see

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Speaker 2: it on their phone in five seconds and it will

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Speaker 2: resonate more from their phone than it will for me,

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Speaker 2: Which is kind of sad about society if there's somebody

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Speaker 2: they'll see it in their phone. I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: this quote in there so someone did have a whole

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Speaker 2: personal beat with Bud Black in here they go, because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't stop talking when he's in the dugout, and

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Speaker 2: as a player, it gets kind of annoying. Plus it

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Speaker 2: means I'd be pitching in Colorado, so obviously there were

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Speaker 2: a lot of other things involved.

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Speaker 4: But I just Hurdle to me when I when he

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Speaker 4: was the manager on whatever team he was on, it

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Speaker 3: Dude, like shush, like shush, I can hear you. You're

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Speaker 3: you're you're managing bad team after bad team. Dude, shush.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's why.

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Speaker 3: You played for Hurdle, didn't you? Crowdzy?

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Speaker 4: Was he always just yelling? I just always felt like

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Speaker 4: it just always seemed like he was screaming something.

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Speaker 3: Yep, he's got a loud voice.

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Speaker 2: Crats look like he wants the same way like this

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Speaker 2: does the role with that, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean a loud voice. He has a loud voice.

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Speaker 5: I'll stop it at that. He has a loud voice.

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Speaker 2: We'll show two hours a day and that's all we got.

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Speaker 4: That's what we got, man, Listen, listen. I worked with

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Speaker 4: Joe Girardi and I told him I'm like, dude, when

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Speaker 4: yelling from the dug out. There was literally one time

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Speaker 4: I looked at Joe and I go, can you just

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Speaker 4: stop talking? He's like does it bother you? And I'm like,

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Speaker 4: it's just get annoying as hell. Can you just stop?

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Speaker 4: And he's like, well, then it's working. I'm like, stop,

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Speaker 4: then it's working. I'm like, stop, yo, please, because you

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Speaker 4: had him and Tony pain and it was like, I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Dude, just gamesmanship.

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Speaker 5: I guess the Cardinals. The Cardinals were the worst at that.

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Speaker 5: The Cardinals, Mike Methane, Cardinals, Tony LaRussa Cardinals. Mark McGuire

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Speaker 5: was a hitting coach. They would anytime you'd throw up

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Speaker 5: and in close, especially as a young pitcher coming up

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Speaker 5: with the Pirates, like any of those young pitchers would

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Speaker 5: do the same thing. Knock it off, like they like,

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Speaker 5: come on, like, we're all adults. Even the dudes are

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Speaker 5: like twenty three, twenty four years old.

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Speaker 3: We're adults. You don't need to try to intimidate people

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Speaker 5: Like you're not you're not you're in the game. You're

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Speaker 2: It's gamesmanship, and then they're trying to get you to

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Speaker 2: not pitch inside anyway. Fun Poll will do a lot

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Speaker 2: more with this, including Tyler Kapner from The Athletic who

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Speaker 2: is involved in putting this together. We'll talk to him

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Speaker 2: about some pieces of the player poll next. Hey, for

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Speaker 5: You get an instant offer, you get an insidant offer.

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Speaker 5: But before you get that insidt offer, you can show

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Speaker 2: Kaepner joining us right now from the Athletic and you

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Speaker 2: put the player pole together with his colleagues. So, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: how do you think it went overall the player Pole? Like,

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Speaker 2: how are the responses and what stood out to you?

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Speaker 2: And then I'll dive into a few parts that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was fun. I mean, most guys I

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Speaker 1: their opinions. Heard a few questions guys didn't really have

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Speaker 1: much opinion on or know much about. But the gambling

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Speaker 1: not realize how much that conversation is a part of

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Speaker 1: their daily the daily noise that they have to kind

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Speaker 2: Out there was an other one that stood out to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, do they like the automatic ball strike

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Speaker 2: system or they don't? And I'll actually ask this before

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Speaker 2: we dive into this part. Do you wish that you

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Speaker 2: had done a secondary level of this to quiz them

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Speaker 2: on the challenge system specifically? You know, I read that

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Speaker 2: part of it, and I'll pull up the numbers as

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Speaker 2: we're chatting here, But there were not many that said

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Speaker 2: I am in favor of robo'mps. I think it was

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Speaker 2: seventeen percent and more than half of the group. I

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Speaker 2: think sixty three percent was against it. But that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I had to I had to

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Speaker 5: Were there any questions that kind of overlapped that you're like,

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Speaker 1: You mean, like someone that they really like to watch

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little surprising. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: Most overrated player a question that you were no.

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Speaker 1: And it should have been.

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Speaker 3: That's like which one was going to.

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Speaker 5: Ask you, because it's it's been taken like viscerally like

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Speaker 5: because other years like that's that always always raises good debates.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I'm glad you said that, Eric, because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's who the most hated player is now because

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Speaker 1: How many times did you win that is? Is that

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Speaker 4: Actually I didn't win it every year because a Rod

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Speaker 3: So actually, as I got older, I went down the list.

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Speaker 1: People have come to appreciate you by then, and they

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Speaker 4: So it's you know, want a couple of times something

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Speaker 2: Got to be known for something, right, Hey, you did

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Speaker 2: of these are really a surprise. One player pointing out

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Speaker 2: how the player development system for Colorado isn't good, like

436
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Speaker 2: they don't give them a lot of information. Shocker. One

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Speaker 2: player pointing out how the Marlins are given subway sandwiches

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Speaker 2: to their guys on the road, so come on your

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Speaker 2: thoughts from collecting there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they was notable that Cleveland ranked as

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Speaker 1: high as it did, especially because this year. I think

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Speaker 1: this year they improved a lot of the stuff for

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Speaker 1: the players. Even on the visiting side, guys said it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's just vastly improved. So that's even before all

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Speaker 1: that took place. So Cleveland, you know, it's not a

446
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Speaker 1: tropical destination, let's say, but players really seem to appreciate

447
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Speaker 1: what that organization does for players, and that says, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: that says a lot for for what they the way

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Speaker 1: they run it there with Chris Annetty and now Steven

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Speaker 1: Vote as the manager. I got a few votes for Detroit,

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Speaker 1: although it didn't show up there that players say that

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Speaker 1: Detroit is has recently made a noticeable difference in how

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Speaker 1: they treat players, you know, the the the club ause, amenities,

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Speaker 1: the plane. Aparently it is like the coolest playing in

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Speaker 1: baseball or something like that. So the Tigers are starting

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Speaker 1: to make a little more get a little more, you know,

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Speaker 1: of a good reputation, and I think the Mets continue

458
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Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, climb those rankings, but you

459
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Speaker 1: see a lot of it just comes down to winning

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Speaker 1: and losing. You know, some of those are the most

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Speaker 1: winning ist teams and the losingest teams. But you're starting

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Speaker 1: to see subtle things from like, yeah, like Detroit and

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Speaker 1: maybe not to subtle from the Mets. They're they're rising

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Speaker 1: in those ranks.

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Speaker 4: A lot of this, though, goes by clubhouse, how the

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Speaker 4: clubhouses guys treat the players that go in there, right,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of these teams, these people, I don't

468
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Speaker 4: know who you talk to is all anonymous obviously, but

469
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Speaker 4: they're not going to not every player.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't get to go.

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Speaker 4: To the home side and a lot of clubhouses until

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Speaker 4: after I was done playing and working for Fox. So

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Speaker 4: to me, I don't know what happens on the home side,

474
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Speaker 4: so you can only look at as a visitor. So

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Speaker 4: you go to Cleveland, Willie Jenks and the boys in

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Speaker 4: Cleveland are one of the best. They don't have the

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Speaker 4: best clubhouse to work with, but they do a lot

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Speaker 4: of good things to make it better. So that's why

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Speaker 4: I would think, like, oh, it's a good reputation. Then

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Speaker 4: you talk to guys and are like, yeah, they treat

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Speaker 4: us right, the medical is good. Whatever they get us

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Speaker 4: could like. So, I mean the Dodgers is obvious. Dodgers

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Speaker 4: and Yankees are the easiest two to look at and say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the Dodgers and Yankees. So that's again, I don't know

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Speaker 4: what they were voting on, but to me, that like

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Speaker 4: if I was looking because people always say, oh, what

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Speaker 4: was your favorite place to go play? And the first

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Speaker 4: thing I would say is it depends on what you're asking.

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Speaker 4: If you're going clubhouse or you're going like place to

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Speaker 4: be on the field or total package.

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Speaker 3: There's different answers for every question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I would have thought Philly would be high, right,

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Speaker 1: and let me you love all the cheese steaks they

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Speaker 1: make up where you're there and in Philly, And isn't

495
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Speaker 1: that always like the big competition for guys is to

496
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Speaker 1: see who can eat the most, But the Phillies weren't

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Speaker 1: real high on that list. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's because they make you also feel like you

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Speaker 4: weigh three hundred pounds, and that's probably why they feed

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Speaker 4: them to you, because then you you try to go

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Speaker 4: hit and you're like, oh, but do you have to

502
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Speaker 4: think you have to try to limit yourself. Krats probably

503
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Speaker 4: went in there's a visitor and ate them all.

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Speaker 3: He probably tried.

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Speaker 4: For the record, I could have like one, because if

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Speaker 4: you're in there for a four game series and you

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Speaker 4: try to they give them to you for breakfast, lunch,

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Speaker 4: and dinner.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot of cheese steak, all right.

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Speaker 1: Look like Eric, like me is a Monco guy, I think, right,

511
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Speaker 1: So we could you know all this all this all

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Speaker 1: the hot spots in the suburbs and the city, so your.

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Speaker 5: I know, Philly, Philly people Philly people will be upset.

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Speaker 5: Scott actually just asked me for some but Philly people

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Speaker 5: will be upset. But Montgomery County's got it when it

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Speaker 5: comes to cheese steaks. And that's where and that's where

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Speaker 5: the visiting clubhouse guy comes from, their Montgomery County style

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Speaker 5: cheese steaks.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, nice, nice.

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Speaker 3: Gotta put WIZ on them. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Is that Kevin is that is Kevin still in CHARGEO?

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Speaker 1: Kevin stein Hour. Yeah, he's been Okay, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: He's a Monco guy. I've known him for like twenty

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Speaker 1: five years.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: All right, tell before I let you go, I cannot

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Speaker 4: believe you're wearing that hat. How disappointed were you the

528
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Speaker 4: Vanderbilt didn't make it out of the regional They were

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Speaker 4: the number one seed. Not only are they not making

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Speaker 4: it out of the regional, they didn't make the regional final.

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Speaker 4: So I'm very surprised you are still wearing that hat.

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Speaker 1: Still a guy I gotta represent, you know, it's it's uh.

533
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Speaker 1: I went there. There were four years and no one

534
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Speaker 1: guy made it to the big leagues. Josh Paul and

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Speaker 1: now they're.

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Speaker 3: You know, I love Josh Paul isn't great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he was.

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Speaker 3: He was the guy who didn't throw the ball back

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Speaker 3: to first when I ran. Yeah, I love.

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Speaker 2: He was.

541
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Speaker 1: He's such a smart player except for that one moment.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he have tagged you if he had if

543
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Speaker 1: it had bounced, he definitely would have tagged you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, wait, this is where we have to

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Speaker 2: finish here. You need to explain this their children.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Josh Paul when I when I struck out

547
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, but Josh Paul was the

548
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Speaker 4: catcher that rolled it back to the picture when I

549
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Speaker 4: went to first, and then the White Sox went on.

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Speaker 3: We didn't lose after that.

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Speaker 4: I played with Josh Paul in the Fall League, by

552
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Speaker 4: the way, so we were bathroom because they kind of

553
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say it ended his career, but

554
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Speaker 4: it kind of was like the fast track to the

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Speaker 4: end of his career after that. Me he's a coach

556
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Speaker 4: now and he's doing other things, but his playing career

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Speaker 4: I kind of ended it. And I feel bad because

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Speaker 4: I like Josh and I struck out and he rolled

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Speaker 4: the ball in the picture and I ran the first. Yeah,

560
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Speaker 4: but the umpire went You gotta watch it. It's a

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Speaker 4: it's a famous call in Chicago's plot you've.

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Speaker 5: Never seen went the Empire went like this, Doug Eddings,

563
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Speaker 5: my guy, Doug aetting this. Doug Eddings blew the call

564
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: and then he went like this. So technically Josh Paul

565
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Speaker 5: looked back and he saw him go like this, which

566
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Speaker 5: is the call for out. But then he said no catch,

567
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Speaker 5: so he kind of screwed Josh Paul and AJ being

568
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Speaker 5: the hustler and down in the dirt kind of guy

569
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Speaker 5: like he is, did it.

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Speaker 4: Steal first? I stole first, But you can't. Don't say

571
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Speaker 4: you can't steal first because I did it.

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Speaker 1: Did they change right now?

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did change the rule after that you.

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Speaker 1: Had left the dirt circle, and now the rule was like.

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Speaker 4: I didn't leave the dirt, but they said now like,

576
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Speaker 4: as soon as you make an effort to go back

577
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: to the dugout, you're out, Like you have to run

578
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 4: right away, because I took two steps back towards the dugout,

579
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Speaker 4: and if you watch me in the corner of my eye,

580
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Speaker 4: I'm like, if he is this fall back, I'm going

581
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: And as soon as it left his hand, that was

582
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Speaker 4: when I turned around.

583
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Speaker 1: So you just thought because it's it's so low that

584
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: maybe you might get lucky on that, Like did you

585
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: think it didn't bounce?

586
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: But you thought this didn't bounce? Bounced? It was kind

587
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: of trapped. Trap is about Scott Trapped. I don't know.

588
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: I've watched it.

589
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: Scott, you know me. These I've signed you know me pictures.

590
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: I love that Scott's showing me something that I'm gonna

591
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: tell you you know me pictures. I've signed him bad exactly.

592
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: And Josh was a huge White Sox fand as a

593
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: kid like he he told me once he cried when

594
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Charlie Loud died like he was such a White Sox guy,

595
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: played for them from Buffalo Grove and then that was

596
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: the spark for the White Sox to go all the way. Yeah,

597
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: but he was the banding guy when I was there,

598
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: he was he was our big leaguer. So and you

599
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: had stinks that we lost, but uh, you know, we've

600
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: got a couple of championships and Duke loss too, So

601
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: that's all right.

602
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: That's Fandy's comparison Duke on the same.

603
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Speaker 1: So I chose by, but a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: Humble bragg Tyler, humble brag that's right.

605
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm just watching this planet loop.

606
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: I've never seen that I have.

607
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: It's just it's a long time at this point.

608
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty twenty years.

609
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

610
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler, good to chat man, good to catch up.

611
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Always enjoy it. Make sure you give Tyler follow and

612
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: check out the player pull.

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00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: Let us, let us ask some questions. Let us come

614
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 3: up with a couple of questions for next year.

615
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Overrated is the best we got to bring.

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00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: All right, I'll touch base with you because yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got to bring back overrated.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, text us, thanks, Tyler talks in all right,