1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hey, folks. It is Thursday, July thirty first, and after 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: a five day manhunt, police found the man they believe 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: murdered a couple I was out on a hike with 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: their young children. And it turns out he's an elementary 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: school teacher. Welcome to this what the actual hell episode 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Robes. A killer, a monster on 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: the loose, someone who was capable of killing a couple 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: right in front of their kids. And it's a school teacher. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: And you know what, it's a point to be made 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 2: that it's an elementary school teacher too. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: I mean, I know, any educator who's in charge. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: Of guiding our children and you trust your children with 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: is shocking enough. But to think he was with these 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: small children, he was a fifth grade school teacher, and 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: to think that he was capable of doing what has 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: been a shocking and hainous crime, even if it was 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: just this couple alone, but to do it in front 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: of their two young girls, it's beyond unthinkable. And to 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: know now that police say it was a twenty eight 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: year old fifth grade school teacher, and we talked. 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: I didn't think about this till this moment, but the 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: two girls who were there with their parents were ages 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: seven and nine. That nine year old is right about 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: fifth grade age. That's just wild of whatever coincidence it 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: may be. But I think for five days, Northwest Arkansas 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: was living in fear. This guy has been on the run. 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: At least the person they believe always innocent till proven guilty. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: But right now they're telling the community there is no 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: longer a threat to the community because they have this 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: guy with robes. That area up there and has a 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: lot you visited, I went to school there, but there 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: is a lot of mountains and rough terrain and places 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: to go and hide and hiking trails and it's all 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: a part of that area. And to think that somebody 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: might have just been running around lurking, but we just 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: won some mountain man. This guy was involved in off 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: that he needed a haircut, and that's how you got 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: called it. Not out in the woods, but getting a 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: damn haircut. 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: And that's such a good point. That's also something that's 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: so shocking. I think many of us imagined, Yes, some survivalist, 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: some lone wolf, some person who's separated from society, who 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: has chosen to be off the grid, who knows the 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: land who can hide and know this was a dude 45 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: who was living in a very metropolitan area. For people 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: who don't know, this area of Arkansas is first of all, 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: it's gorgeous, and second it's highly populated. It's we just 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: were at a wedding in Springdale a few months ago. 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: Your sister lives there, your niece lives there. 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: And this is a big biking and hiking and running community. 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 2: Everyone's outdoors all the time. I couldn't even imagine be 52 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: the biking community and the running community. 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: I doubt a lot of. 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: People felt safe doing those activities while he was on 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: the loose for these past five days. 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: And the Devil's Den State Park there, they've had all 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: their trails closed since the weekend when this actually happened. 58 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, everybody was kind of living in fear in 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: this area. But like you're saying, Robes, we were like, 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: you do I really want to go out in a 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: trail and be out in the woods. You're thinking somebody's 62 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: lurking around in all those places to hide. No, he 63 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: was smack dab in the middle of Springdale, and not 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: just in the middle of that town. He was about 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: to play a very important role in that town as 66 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: a member of the school community. He had moved to 67 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: this area because he had just been hired for the 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Springdale at the Springdale School District. And so this guy, 69 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: James Andrew McCann is the name, really young guy, twenty 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: eight years old. He's now facing two counts of capital murder. 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: He is expected to be in court tomorrow for a hearing. 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: But Robes, you go back to this incident that really 73 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: not just shocked the community, but kind of shocking for 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: the nation when we heard what happened in the park 75 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: on Saturday. Yeah, a couple attacked, but they were walking, 76 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: a family of four walking. 77 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Yes, Clinton and Kristen Brink they had just moved, so sadly, 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: just moved to northwest Arkansas. Clinton was about to start 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: a job as a delivery truck driver. Kristen was a 80 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: registered nurse. And yes, there are two young girls seven 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: and nine were with them out on a hike. It 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: was a hot day, but it was a beautiful sunny day, 83 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: so the woods might have been a little treat cooling 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: them with the shade. So yeah, they were just on 85 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: their way, as were several other folks in the area 86 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: on those very same hiking trails. 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: It's such a place of peace. 88 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: It's a place where you feel safe, especially when you 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: have your whole family with you and you know other 90 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: people are on the trail as well. 91 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody you know, I'm an avid hiker. 92 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: Never when i'm alone, maybe running in the woods, which 93 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: I've done, maybe I'm a little bit more aware and 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: a little concerned, but not really. 95 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: And certainly when you've got a group and a family, 96 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: and you. 97 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: Just would never, even you wouldn't have your guard up necessarily. 98 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: Broad daylight, Saturday afternoon on a hiking trail. You're in 99 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: a group of four, you feel safe. There was nothing 100 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: that family would have been out there worried about other 101 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: than poison, ivy or a snake bite. You're just not 102 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: expecting this. And I think that was the shocking part 103 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: Rose when we heard Wait a minute, the kids were 104 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: seven and nine, and you hear this and you think, first, 105 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: did they see it? Did they have to witness all 106 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: of this? Did they have to see their parents being killed? 107 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: And then we weren't how are the kids? The kids 108 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: were fine, not harmed at all. 109 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: Well, the reports are that the kids somehow managed and 110 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: we're going to be getting more details in the next 111 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 2: couple of days. Police have assured us, but the kids 112 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: ended up at the visitors center, and they are the 113 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: ones who told the woman at the desk. 114 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: Our parents have been attacked. 115 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: So they certainly it seems as though they saw at 116 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: least the attack itself. Who knows how much they saw. 117 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: But we were just conjecturing the other day, thinking, if 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: you're the parents, you're probably just screaming, run, run, run. 119 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: To your kids. 120 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: And they did that very thing, and we're able to 121 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: get to safety unharmed. And that is when the visitor 122 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: center alerted nine to one to one, and that I 123 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 2: mean shortly thereafter. I believe they was found in the body. 124 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: And you've mentioned there with the parents. Probably did any 125 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: parent you just instinctively ever going to do this, But 126 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: I think it was the family of the two who died. 127 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: Didn't They say in the statement that they died protecting Yes, 128 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: they made that point that they died protecting their kids. 129 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: And you know, if they got attack, their first thought 130 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: was I need to do everything I can to make 131 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: sure these kids get out of here. And okay, the 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: last act of their life I'm sure was protecting their 133 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: seven to nine year old kid. 134 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: Of course it was. 135 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: And you know, those little girls, I'm sure told their 136 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: family members exactly what happened, so they were able to 137 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: speak with authority and clarity that Clinton and Kristen died 138 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: saving their daughters. 139 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're waiting and waiting, right, And that was 140 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: some controversy early on in the in the community was 141 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: actually pissed at police. What was it a six hour gap? 142 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: Yes, it was a six hour gap. 143 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: Between the attack and when the reports first came in 144 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: and when they let the public know. 145 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: It was between when they found the bodies and when 146 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: they actually alerted the public that there was a double 147 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: murderer on the loose. 148 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, public didn't appreciate that. How did I can't even 149 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: remember right now exactly how they explained it. It didn't sound 150 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: like the best explanation. But take them out there. Word 151 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: It was hard to get word out. 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: Police claimed that by the time they did all the 153 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: interviews that they needed to complete on the scene there 154 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: to figure out exactly what may have happened, and the 155 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: fact that it was rugged terrain, so it took them 156 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: a while to reach people to investigate the scene. And 157 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: then on top of that, they say they were spotty 158 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: cell service, so it was difficult literally to get the 159 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 2: word out, they claim. 160 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: So that was just six hours, and people there were criticizing, 161 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: but it went much longer than six hours. This went 162 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: four days, so it took five days before they tracked 163 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: this person down. They did have a composite sketch that 164 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: went out. The sketch compared to the suspect. Do you 165 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: think it was spot on spint on? 166 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was really really well done. And 167 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: we're getting a little bit of interesting tidbits about how 168 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: that sketch may have even come about, because we've heard 169 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, obviously there were other people on the trail 170 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: here and there, but there's a local podcaster, a guy 171 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: out of Arkansas who was an investigative podcast and he 172 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: actually spoke to a couple who was on the trail 173 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: and they talked about They said they were the ones 174 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: who gave the details to police where they were able 175 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: to complete this composite sketch. 176 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: But they saw a man who stood out first. 177 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: Of all that day, that hiking day, it was about 178 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: one hundred degrees, they said, so everybody was dressed appropriately 179 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: except for this man they saw who was dressed head 180 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: to toe in black. They said he looked like he 181 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: was on a mission, and they described the way he 182 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: looked at them as though he was. He gave them 183 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: a death stare, and they described him as just having 184 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: bad energy to the point where they kind. 185 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: Of looked at each other. 186 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: They had a dog with them and they were just like, whoof. 187 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: And so they didn't know until the next day that 188 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: anything had happened. The word didn't get out, and that's 189 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: when they said they both looked at each other and said, 190 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, we saw him. 191 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just them able to do the composite sketch. 192 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: I haven't seen where the picture came from, but some 193 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: of you listening we'll remember the sketch came out. And 194 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: then a day or two later they had a picture. 195 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: They were calling, I mean, they were all hikers. If 196 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: you were in this area, please look at your pictures, 197 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: look at your video. You might have possibly inadvertently gotten 198 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: a shot of this suspect. And so they released an 199 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: image and this thing was creepy as hell. So all 200 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: the descriptions we were getting dark had dark pants, a 201 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: duffelebell or a backpack and all this stuff. And then 202 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: to see the image just from the back of somebody 203 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: looking out that they say was the suspect. And again 204 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: I made the comment, you and I watch a lot 205 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: of horror movies and it is a hallmark of a 206 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: lot of them. One of the scariest scenes is the 207 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: monster or the killer just a silhouette of that person. 208 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: You can't see the face, and that's what it looked like. 209 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: It was a creepy, creepy picture. And he's all black, 210 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: one hundred degree a day, fully in all black. 211 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And first of all, when if you're a hiker, 212 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: you don't typically see people all in all black, in 213 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: long sleeves when it's that hot outside, with a duffle 214 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: back the way he had it, it wasn't even like a 215 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: hiker's backpack. It was more like a duffel amesh duffle ball, 216 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: So he had something in there. 217 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: It just looked eerie. 218 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: And certainly, when you see the mugshot of this man 219 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: compared to the sketch, I think it's spot on, do. 220 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: You not, Oh? Almost goodness, it's just the hat. And 221 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: again where he was caught. We were just commenting a 222 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: second ago. All the descriptions said a guy in a 223 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: dark hat and then we got word that he was 224 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: arrested at a barber shop. Yes, at a salon in Springdale, 225 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: mid haircut, we're told police go in, they cover the front, 226 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: they cover the back. They apparently saw a vehicle that 227 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: matched a description, so they go in looking for the guy. 228 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: He's in the chair getting a haircut, and in his 229 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: post arrest picture looks like they didn't finish his haircut. 230 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually looks like a man who had half 231 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: his haircut and still was in need of it. And 232 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: the woman who was actually cutting his hair, this was 233 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: at Lupita's beauty salon and barber shop in Springdale. She 234 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: actually took pictures of his of police had actually used 235 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: part of his hair as evidence, and then his vehicle. 236 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: She was taking videos and pictures. 237 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: She can you imagine you're cutting a customer's hair and 238 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: police storm in and arrest him, and you realize that 239 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: this person who you were touching, who you were that 240 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: close with, was this double murder suspect that police had 241 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: been searching for for five days. I can't even get 242 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: my head around what that must have been like for her. 243 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: You know that anybody who's been to a swan, anybody 244 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: ever had a haircut. It is a very intimate experience. 245 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: It is. 246 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: Folks have to be right up on you, right up under, 247 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: you're touching you in all kinds of ways. And to again, 248 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: that thought rolled to me. I've been in places with 249 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: murderers on the other side of a jail cell, right, 250 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: and that scares the hell. 251 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: Out of me. 252 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's eerie. A's hell. 253 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean to think the guy somebody it's capable of 254 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: doing what he's accused of, is the guy you're casually 255 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: just around is absolutely terrifying. 256 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: And yeah, and it's one of those other moments where look, 257 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: police right now have said they don't believe that McGahn 258 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: knew his victims or had any reason why he would 259 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: have chosen those people and that family in particular, But 260 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: it's so fascinating to think how he chose, why he chose. 261 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: So he passes this one family with the dog who 262 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: take note of him but doesn't bother them. He's walking 263 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: around town apparently in Springdale, decides not to attack anybody else. 264 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: He's in a barber shop. 265 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: He's peaceful and calm. You know, It's just so it's 266 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: unexplicable and it's unimaginable. How and why someone like that 267 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: would make the choices. 268 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: That he did. 269 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: But folks, it was shocking the crime. Several days of 270 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the man hunt, it was intense, It was terrifying. But 271 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: then comes the arrest and then we learn who this 272 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: guy is, and this guy has been teaching elementary school 273 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: students for the past several years. Allry, folks. We continue 274 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: now with the word of James Andrew mcgahann, a twenty 275 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: eight year old man who has now been charged with 276 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: two counts of capital murder and the death of two 277 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: hikers who are hiking in Arkansas at Devil's Den State 278 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: Park along with their young children. They were killed last Saturday. 279 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: After five day manhunt, they have finally tracked him down 280 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: and rose, I don't know if we gave it good enough. 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: Perspective of northwest Arkansas, I guess most people are familiar 282 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: with the University of Arkansas and Fayetteville up there in 283 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas. Obviously I'm familiar to where I went to school. 284 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: So if you go to Faytteville, you go about ten 285 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: miles north and you hit Springdale. But if you're in 286 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: Faydville and you go about twenty five miles south you 287 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: hit Devil's Den State Park, So it's about thirty five 288 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: miles between Devil'sden State Park where the murders happened, and 289 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: Springdale ultimately, so it appears that is where certainly he 290 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: was spending his time. He was living in robes, he 291 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: was about to start working. 292 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you have a child in that 293 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: school system and you just think about the fact that 294 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: if he hadn't been caught. 295 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: When does school start there pretty soon? Correct? 296 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: I mean down there, it's usually like early to mid August, 297 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: So he could have been in a classroom with children 298 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: in a matter of days or at least in a 299 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: matter of a week or two, if he had not 300 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: been caught, and if those folks who hadn't recognized him 301 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: or recognized that he looks strange given those descriptions to 302 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: police handed over the videos and photos that they had. 303 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: Some folks had. 304 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: One guy had a video of a car of the car, 305 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: and that is how they were able to get it. 306 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: I actually watched that video online today. So just people 307 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: who inadvertently happened to capture him. All of this video, 308 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: all this technology handed over to pull allowed them to 309 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: zero in on this man. But had that not been 310 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: the case, it is so frightening to think he could 311 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: have been hiding in plain sight and teaching your children. 312 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: And you don't. You mentioned the car, and what is 313 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: important to make the note of it was duct tape 314 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: on the license plate. And given what he was wearing, 315 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: giving what he was carrying, he seemed like he was 316 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: going out there with a purpose. This was premeditated. Well, 317 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: did he just go out there to find someone to kill? 318 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Was he? I can't imagine. Again, they don't think he 319 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: was targeting these folks in particular, So what was his 320 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: plan really to find a random person to kill? 321 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: Police? 322 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: The only thing they said, and while they did say 323 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: yes that they don't believe that he knew his victims, 324 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: but they did say that they didn't want to address 325 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: motive right now. So I read into that that perhaps 326 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: they do have an idea, they're just not ready to 327 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: reveal it yet, because again, everyone in these cases wants 328 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: to know the why, not that it helps, not that 329 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: it necessarily, it doesn't bring anyone back, it doesn't alleviate grief, 330 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: but just to understand, perhaps in order to prevent, but 331 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: really it's just it's mind. 332 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Boggling, and you know I mentioned after you said it, 333 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: he said, Hey, this guy soon could have been teaching kids. Now, 334 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: it seems they say he hadn't started yet, and he 335 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: had not interacted with any of the students or any 336 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: of the parents. But I'm looking at the website here. 337 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: School starts in a matter of two weeks August eleventh. 338 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: He was that close to being in a classroom, they say, 339 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: August eleventh, Yes, first day of school in Springdale. 340 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: They said he hadn't interacted with students or parents. They 341 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: didn't necessarily say he hadn't interacted with other teachers, because 342 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: you know, teachers go back early, they get their classroom 343 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: set up. No word yet if anyone had actually interacted 344 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: with him. 345 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: Had he been in the school already at this point. 346 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Don't teachers go and prep My mom also the elementary 347 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: school teacher. She seemed like she worked all summer. 348 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: To me, absolutely, And you know, he again passed those 349 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: background checks in the Springdale public school system. He also 350 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: did in the Oklahoma school system he was working in. 351 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: He was also licensed to teach in the state of 352 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: Texas as well, so you know he had access to children. 353 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: It's just we it's so frightening thing goodness, he was caught. 354 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: When he was caught, you know. 355 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: If folks will wonder about background checks, and at least 356 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: two I think, or maybe even three school districts he's 357 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: worked with put out statements pretty quickly saying, yes, he 358 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: worked here, this is when, this is when he left, 359 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: and he passed all background checks. Yes, teachers have to 360 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: do it. How do you what signs were missed? 361 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: Right? 362 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: And it's not a suggestion that any of these school 363 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: district did anything wrong. But if a guy passes a 364 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: background check, how do you register? How do you sit 365 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: across a table from somebody and go, yeah, this might 366 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: be a killer. We're not going to hire this one, 367 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: even though he has a resume that shows he's worked 368 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: as a teacher in several other school districts. I don't 369 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: know what you could possibly do about it. 370 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: I think we will be hearing from parents, students, folks 371 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: who actually were in his classrooms, and I'm really curious 372 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: to hear what their take was of him. Did they 373 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: not notice anything, did he pass as a normal, friendly 374 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: elementary school teacher, or did people always feel like he 375 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: had strange energy or they got bad vibes from him? 376 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: And I'm hoping, and I can only imagine most people 377 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: will say, holy crab, this guy taught me or this 378 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: guy taught my kids, and I you know, parent student 379 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: excuse me, parent teacher conferences. I mean, he had to 380 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: have had interactions with lots of folks over the last 381 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: several years dealing with their most prized possession, their children. 382 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: So people, you remember teachers, and you really remember teachers 383 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: that you don't like or you don't think are good 384 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: for your kids. 385 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: So I am very. 386 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: Curious because obviously his name just came out, but I 387 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: could only imagine we're going to be hearing a lot about. 388 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: Who this guy was leading up to this vicious attack. 389 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're going to keep an eye on 390 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: all that's happening in this case. Yes, there's some relief 391 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: in northwest Arkansas that a potential killer, the killer is 392 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: potentially off off the streets. Yes, it's clearness. To make 393 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: this point. Police up there do not believe there is 394 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: a continued threat to the community because of these murders. 395 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: They believe they have their guy, Their guy will be 396 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: in court tomorrow. Has he interruptedly yet at all? 397 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: No, we haven't heard anything about the plea, just that 398 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: He's been charged with two counts of capital murder and 399 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: he could face the death penalty in the state of Arkansas. 400 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: There are twenty three people on death row in Arkansas 401 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: right now, so this is a state that has no 402 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: problem putting people on death row. But yes, his hearing 403 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: is tomorrow, August first, and we will of course give 404 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: you all the latest details as they become available in 405 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: terms of just who this man was, any more information 406 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: and certainly what the courts decide to do with him tomorrow. 407 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: In the meantime, though, want to thank you for listening. 408 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: I'm Amy Robach alongside my partner T. J. Holmes. 409 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: We hope you have a wonderful day today.