1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: If I am six forty you're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News in for John Cobelt 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 2: with you from one to four today. Thanks very much 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: for the opportunity to be here with you. As always, 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: we are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. If you're 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: listening on the app, want you to do is click 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: on that microphone icon at the bottom of the screen 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: and you can record a message for us here and 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: we'll play it on the air. Let us know what 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: you think as we head into it an afternoon of 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: discussion about news, both the national and more importantly local, 13 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out what these national stories mean 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: to us here in Southern California. If you've been listening 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: to me here in KFI, you know we have a 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: sort of a theme of how we stay safe, how 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: we make our lives a little bit better for ourselves, 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: for our kids, for our families, for our loved ones, 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: how we make sure that we become productive members of 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: society here in Southern California. We're not just passive consumers 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: of events. That has Tim Conwoo Junior likes to say 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: often smack us in the face here. So, of course 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: since New Year's we've been dominated by the stories out 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: of New Orleans where the truck, where the truck attack 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: took fourteen lives. We're going to talk more about the 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: victims than the suspect, because I think that's what they deserve, 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: and there's so many heart wrenching stories. We're also going 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: to get an update on what may have led this 29 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: Green Beret, this Army Special Forces soldier to blow himself 30 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: up in that cyber truck outside of the Trump International 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Hotel in Vegas. So with information on both of those 32 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: big stories, we're going to go live now to Josh 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: Mark Goland, chief investigative reporter with ABC News who joined 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: us from New York. 35 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: Josh, we have more details on both cases. 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: Right, we absolutely do. We. 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 5: First of all, we now know that the New Orleans 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 5: attacker had traveled overseas to Egypt in the summer of 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. That's critical because it's helping the investigators 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 5: understand the path to radical as they call it. He 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 5: declared allegiance to ISIS en route to New Orleans to 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: carry out this attack. What brought him to that moment 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 5: and that's a critical question right now. It was delayed 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: as investigator spent the first twenty four hours trying to 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 5: determine whether or not there were accomplices or other suspects 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 5: on the loose. That was obviously the first critical public 47 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 5: safety question in Las Vegas. We are getting a lot 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 5: of information and none of it and none of it 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: is anything but sad and tragic. The individual was a 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: decorated Green Bereat member of the Green Brace, not even 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 5: a veteran, multiple tours in Afghanistan, had multiple different assignments, 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 5: but he obviously was in some sort of a state 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 5: of mental distress. And now we're getting confirmation two days 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 5: later that he had sought treatment for mental health problems. 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 5: And obviously, you know they say that a suicide is 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: never just one thing. Tragically, it's multiple things that cascade 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 5: and interact and cause this terrible outcome. 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: So back we're talking live with Josh mar Golin from 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: ABC News. So back to that question you raised about 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: when this New Orleans truck attacker was so quote unquote 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: self radicalized or radicalized. I mean, why is that so 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: important and how does that help us stop the next guy? 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: Well, the key for them is exactly that point. For investigators, 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 5: if they can see how these people, how the radicalization 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: process works, they might be able to help in terms 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 5: of threat assessments, in terms of mental health professionals, family members, 67 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: people to understand how they can interrupt that radicalization. The 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 5: key is to interrupt. These people become isolated, they have 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: troubles in their lives, they wind up gravitating to some 70 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 5: iology or cause or grievance online. And I know it 71 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 5: sounds strange, but in terms of radicalization and in terms 72 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 5: of the psychiatric condition that brings you to that point, 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter if it's like ISIS or white supremacy. 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 5: It could be either or you know, Dylan Rufe was 75 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: radicalized online. He carried out that terrible racist murder at 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: the church in South Carolina. There's very little difference. The 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 5: difference is in what he's saying he believed, but there's 78 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: very little difference in the actions that they're carrying out. 79 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 5: So they want to find out how to stop this. 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 5: We're dealing with really an epidemic. 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: Right and so far because these things keep happening, and 82 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time yesterday talking about all 83 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: of the factors that go into trying to keep us safe, 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: both the state, local, national level, Joint Terrorism Task Force, 85 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: regional intelligence centers, intelligence agencies. It doesn't seem to be working. 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: That's what's scary. 87 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: It is scary. There's a reality of large numbers, right, 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: that has to be remembered. We live in a country 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 5: of three hundred and fifty million people, and the vast 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: majority of people don't shoot up schools, sure, or shoot 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 5: up people at their workplaces, or attack New Year's Eve 92 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: celebrations or anything like that. And there are plenty of 93 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 5: people who have problems out there, personal problems, pschiatric problems, 94 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 5: some of these problems. So there are wins and there 95 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 5: are people where they interrupt people on their path. The 96 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 5: problem is if any one of these people gets through, 97 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 5: fall through the cracks, the loss of life, the tragedy 98 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: is so pronounced, that's the problem, right, That's what we've 99 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 5: talked about this, and New Orleans felt through. 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: Sure, we've talked about this. 101 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the law enforcement has to be right one 102 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: hundred percent of the time, and the terrorist or the 103 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: killer only has to get lucky or commit their crimes once. 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, and if they don't let. 105 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: People know, if they don't if they don't broadcast warnings 106 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: or behavior. I mean, this guy supposedly pledged allegiance to 107 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: ISIS on Facebook, you know, an hour before the attack. 108 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: That's not enough time, of course not. 109 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 5: And how could he have known that New Orleans that 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 5: the security measures would be so poor? Right had he 111 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 5: tried to do this in New York or downtown Los Angeles? 112 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 5: You know he's not getting near the federal court houses 113 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 5: in Los Angeles, No, not nowhere. Years the security measures 114 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 5: are no way. 115 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: But here's what's interesting, Josh, and I'm sure you've seen it, 116 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 2: is the police commission of the woman from New Orleans 117 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: takes exception to any implication that security was less than 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: one hundred percent tight. 119 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: But you know, then we then to get headlines. 120 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: Barricades were supposed to keep Bourbon Street Revolute safe. 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: They weren't operational. 122 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 5: We have talked to officials, we have talked to experts, 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 5: we have people that have I've covered security for all 124 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 5: these years. I understand her point. Her point is a 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: logical point. Somebody who is held bent on committing an 126 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: act of terror or violence is going to do it. 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: That's true. But by that logic do you take the 128 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: locks off the vault in the bank. No, if you 129 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 5: open up the vault in the bank, people are going 130 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 5: to steal the money. You need to take the precautions. 131 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 5: People need to have safety, they need to feel safe. 132 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 5: And so in New York City, in Los Angeles, in 133 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: Las Vegas, what they've done is they've employed new measures 134 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: of building out wider frozen zones, security perimeters, perimeters to 135 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 5: try to keep vehicles from getting anywhere close. There will 136 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: always be a choke point, there will always be a 137 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: soft spot in the system. It's an open society, but 138 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 5: you have to take the measures. You got to do 139 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 5: the work. 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: I mean we saw it here on Secure People. We 141 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: saw it here on Wednesday year after hear the Rose Parade. 142 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been out there and see those archer barricades, 143 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: the portable vehicle barricades that are literally wheeled into place 144 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: that prevent vehicles from crashing through or going around them 145 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: like they did with that police car on Bourbon Street. 146 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely. Look years ago after the Goloma City bombing, they 147 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: shut off vehicle tres in front of the White House. 148 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: Now is the logic that, oh, a terrorist is going 149 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 5: to get through, so we should leave the vehicle traffic open. 150 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: No, that would be ludicrous. 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Well, Josh Margol and appreciate your insight from ABC News. 152 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: So many unanswered questions, still so much anger, so much frustration, 153 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: and so much heartache when we look at the lives 154 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: cut short with those victims in New Orleans. 155 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that when we come back. 156 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 157 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 6: six forty. 158 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News, sitting in for 159 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: John Coblt, who will be back here on Monday after 160 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: some well deserved time off. Happy to spend the afternoon 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: on January third with you. I'm not so happy that 162 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 2: the news has been dominated since Wednesday by the terror 163 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: attack that killed fourteen in New Orleans, and of course 164 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: that bizarre what may be a suicide by the Green Beret, 165 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: the Army Special Forces man outside the Trump International Hotel 166 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: in Vegas. It just seems like you can't go through 167 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: a day without having something in the news involving Trump. 168 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: You just heard Debra Mark and her newscast talk about 169 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: the judge setting Trump's sentencing in the hush money case. 170 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that over the next couple 171 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: of hours. But we continue to deal with the Bourbon 172 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: Street terror attack, and rather than focus so much on 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: the suspect and why he got twisted in his own 174 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: way and felt he had to attack these people and 175 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: make a statement against Western values, let's talk about the 176 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: victims and how sad, angry, and devastated they are, especially 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: when they hear the news that. For example, a joint 178 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: DHS and FBI bulletin released earlier in December and followed 179 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: up with what the FEDS call a critical incident note 180 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: warned about the possibilities of a vehicle attack. This is 181 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: not a new threat, in particular after the German Christmas 182 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: market attack. Do you remember that one in early December. 183 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: The bulletin was actually obtained by CNN. The federal agencies 184 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: warned that quote loane offenders pose the most likely threat 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: of violence to soft targets in the homeland during winter holidays, 186 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: referring to individuals acting alone. I mean, this is coming 187 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: out in December twenty twenty four, but you know, we've 188 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: known this for the longest time. It's just so frustrating 189 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: when you hear that they have these barricades, but apparently 190 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: they weren't deployed. Now, yes, the City of New Orleans, 191 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: the police department and the locals in charge of security there, 192 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: in addition to the Feds. You're going to have all 193 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: kinds of excuses and explanations, but that's not going to 194 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: make the victims feel that much better. Can the victims sue? 195 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: Can you sue the City of New Orleans? Can you 196 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: sue the federal government? That's an interesting question. Obviously you 197 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 2: heard that the old expression anybody can sue anybody for anything. 198 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: But coming up at the next hour, we're going to 199 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: talk to a local attorney who's got a lot of 200 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: experience in filing lawsuits about what the chances of a 201 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: lawsuit like that actually succeeding hour, let's talk about the victims. 202 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: It's just it's really imagine putting yourself in the shoes, 203 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: in their family shoes, their loved one shoes, their relatives 204 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: to their friends. I mean, it's just New Year's will 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: forever be ruined for these families. An eighteen year old 206 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: woman dreaming of becoming a nurse, a single mother, a 207 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: father of two, a former Princeton football star, all of 208 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: them killed when this driver ran them down. Billy DeMeo, 209 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: twenty five years old. These are descriptions from family and friends, 210 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: described as humble and gentle hearted, so devoted to family 211 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: that they had the tattoo featuring all of his cousin's names. 212 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 2: This is from nola dot com, a local website in 213 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: New Orleans. This is information from his parents. And he 214 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: was a New York City based account executive for the 215 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: media company Odyssey. And again he was in New Orleans 216 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: just to celebrate New Year's Eve see people who planned 217 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: to go to the Super Bowl. His friends fortunately escaped injury. 218 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: He was described, bottom line as by his dad as 219 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: a good, humble kid who loved life. Another one, Hubert 220 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: Gothro Archbishop Shaw High School in Mario, Louisiana, posted on 221 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: Facebook that he was among the victims and here's the quote. 222 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: Tragically killed in the senseless act of violence that occurred 223 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: early this morning in the French Quarter. He was just 224 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: twenty one years old. Kareem Badawie University of Alabama freshman 225 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: Kareem Badawi was among those killed. The native of Louisiana, 226 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: a graduate of the Episcopal School in Baton Rouge, he 227 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: had come to New Orleans for winter break, gone to 228 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: with friends again to celebrate the new year. And according 229 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: to his dad, and it's just, you know, it's just 230 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: hard to even imagine. He was a lovely boy. I 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: lost my son. He's a good boy, talking in the 232 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: present tense. Unfortunately his life ended that quickly and with 233 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: no reason. Nothing he did to deserve for anybody to 234 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: come and kill him. And he had planned to attend 235 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: the University of Alabama, as I mentioned, was just starting 236 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: his freshman year. 237 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: Drew Dauphin. 238 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: Words cannot convey the sorrow that the Auburn family feels 239 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: for Drew's family and friends. He was a supplier process 240 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: engineer at the American Honda Motor Company in Birmingham, Alabama, again, 241 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: had come to New Orleans to celebrate the new year. 242 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: Matthew Tendorio, just twenty five years old, was just starting 243 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: his life. His parents said, it's just very sad. He 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: had the job of his dreams. He was a wonderful kid. 245 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: He loved people, he loved animals, always had a smile. 246 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: So many friends, so many friends. And his mother said 247 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: that he had spent New Year's Eve with his brother 248 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: and another one of her sons. Fortunately they weren't next 249 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: to each other when the truck rambled down the street 250 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: or should I say roared down the street if you've 251 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: seen that video, and he was lost, but his brothers 252 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: were okay, Nick, you' a dead. Doe was celebrating New 253 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: Year's even his first night on Bourbon Street when a 254 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: vehicle plowed into him and his friend. 255 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: He had dreamed of becoming a nurse. Here's the quote. 256 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: A truck hit the corner and comes barreling through, throwing 257 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: people like in a movie scene, throwing people into the air. 258 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: This is another person who was on Bourbon Street describing it. 259 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: And then Nick, it hit her and flung her at 260 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: least thirty feet in the air. 261 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: And I was just lucky to be alive. 262 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: And then the crowd scattered and you could just imagine 263 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: the chaos there. Reggie Hunter a thirty seven year old 264 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: father of two from Baton Rouge. Tyger Beck is a 265 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: former high school and college football player from Louisiana. He 266 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: was just twenty seven years old. He played at Princeton 267 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: graduated in twenty twenty one. He was working as an 268 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: investment trader at a New York brokerage firm. So it's 269 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: just hard to imagine the thought process, the hate that 270 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: goes through someone like this killer, that would think that 271 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: he's making some kind of valid political statement by getting 272 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: into a truck and plowing through a crowd of innocent 273 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: people simply celebrating New Year's Eve in New Orleans. Could 274 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: have been any location. It's happened in so many different locations. 275 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: And what is it that we don't understand here in 276 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, in this diverse community that we all live in. 277 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: What is it that we don't understand or what is 278 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: it we need to understand to make some sense of 279 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: what would drive somebody to do this? And then, perhaps 280 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: even more importantly, how do we identify the risk factors 281 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: and prevent the next person from jumping in a car 282 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: and mowing down innocent people at any given event. And 283 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: these are stories that I can be on top of 284 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: mind because in New Orleans alone, we have the super 285 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: Bowl coming up on February ninth. 286 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: So you know that all of the coverage leading up 287 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: to that. 288 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: We got through the Sugar Bowl last night without an 289 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: incident at the Superdome. But February ninth, the super Bowl, 290 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: which is already and what's designated as a National Security 291 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: Special event, which means it's under the purview of the 292 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: Secret Service. 293 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: And the FEDS. 294 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: I mean these security concerns, stories preparations, the you know, 295 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: the visuals of so much law enforcement and the military 296 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: vehicles on the street. I mean, it's it's upsetting. And 297 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: so this is what we have to just accept as 298 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: a part of living in an open society with people 299 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: that are always going to disagree. And then fortunately the 300 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: very rare occasion where somebody acts out their twisted sense 301 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: of violence against our Western way of life. Wow, it's 302 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: a lot to digest, it's a lot to understand, it's 303 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: a lot to deal with, and it's one thing if 304 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: you're an adult and you've had some life experience to 305 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: manage if you're a child or a young person trying 306 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: to process all this in twenty twenty five as we 307 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: start the new year. All right, not to bring you down, 308 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: but hey, this is a reality. 309 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A 310 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 6: six forty. 311 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News sitting in for 312 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: John Cobelt. We did till four o'clock this afternoon, as always, 313 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: lots to discuss. Get those brain cells moving here on 314 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: January third, beautiful day in southern California, bright blue skies. 315 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: We love it. 316 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: One of the most bizarre stories I covered over the 317 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: past few years at Fox eleven. I remember we were 318 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: in West Hollywood and it was Stormy Daniels at her 319 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: peak of all of her, Stormy Daniel Niss at an 320 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: adult toy shop quote unquote talking about Donald Trump and 321 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: her liaisons with him, which he for some reason, still 322 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: continues to deny today to this day. And it was 323 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: just such a bizarre scene, of course, getting you know, 324 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: huge international, local, national, and international news coverage. And I 325 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: say that because she's back in the news today. Where 326 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: were you in May of this past year. Well, I 327 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: know where Donald Trump was. He was in court in 328 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: New York getting convicted by twelve jurors in what has 329 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: generally been described as the hush money case, paying her 330 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: off to avoid embarrassing stories about him prior to the election. 331 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: And so the news that just broke you heard that 332 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: on KFI with Deborah Marc a short time ago, is 333 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: that the judge in that case, Juan Marshawn, who presided 334 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: over the trial, he announced today that he would actually 335 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: sentence Donald Trump on January tenth, just ten days before 336 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: Trump takes office as the president. Remember, he was convicted 337 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: of thirty four counts of falsifying business records, which he 338 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: says was, you know, a joke, but the jurors made 339 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: the decision unanimously. And so what's also interesting is that 340 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: the judge has taken what seems to me to be 341 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: a very unusual step of telling everyone in advance that 342 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: he's not going to sentence the president elect to jail. 343 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 2: So it's all a little bit confusing, and joining us 344 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Live to help sort some of this out is Los 345 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: Angeles based attorney Luc Shapiro. 346 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: Luke, thanks for coming on with us. 347 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Phil, there's definitely a lot to unpack here. So 348 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: I'm ready to fire when you want to go. 349 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: Okay, So he's convicted, but the judge announces in advance 350 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: that he's going to be sentenced, but he wouldn't be jailed. 351 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: Why would he say that in advance? 352 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: So the judge is feeling a lot of pressure here. 353 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 4: He knows he's under the microscope. Everyone's watching what he's 354 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: going to do, and what he doesn't want to do 355 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 4: is basically start writing or starting up for because if 356 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 4: he doesn't say, what's going to happen. Who knows what 357 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: people this country will do if they know that there's 358 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: sentence coming up in a few days and jail is 359 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 4: a possible ability. So I think the judge is taking 360 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: the unusual step looking out for public safety and just 361 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: trying to calm the waters and say, look, I'm not 362 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: going to dismiss this case, like the defensive asking for 363 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: on many grounds, but at the same time, I'm not 364 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: going to be jailing the president's elect. So everybody can 365 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 4: calm down. No one needs to come out of their 366 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 4: house and storm my house. We can deal with this 367 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: in a peaceful and lawful manner moving forward. 368 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: And so the federal cases against President elect Trump were 369 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: dismissed essentially because of presidential immunity, but the Georgia case 370 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: of election fraud, this case, we're not dismissed, despite Trump's 371 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: request to have them thrown out. 372 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: So I guess we have to see it through. 373 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: Right, Well, the Georgia case, the statecase is sort of 374 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: dying a slow death right now as well. Recall, right, 375 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: because the Court of Appeal just ruled in Georgia that 376 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: the DA must d a Sanny Willis has to be 377 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: removed from the case. Both her and her boyfriend so 378 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 4: to speak, both need to be off the case. So 379 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: the question is, does somebody want to step into her 380 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: shoes in that case, with what's on the line and 381 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 4: go after a sitting president. I don't think it's going 382 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 4: to be easy to find a candidate for that. 383 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: But the allegations of election interference, in other words, the 384 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: federal cases were essentially thrown out because of immunity once 385 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: he was re elected, but the state cases aren't impacted 386 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: by that. 387 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: So the federal cases were wounded down because there is 388 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 4: a well known, I guess historical principle that the federal 389 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: government not the state now, but that the federal government 390 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 4: doesn't prosecute a sitting president. So it was on that 391 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: public policy ground that the FEDS dropped the two federal cases. 392 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: But even if the prosecution began before they were elected 393 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: or reelected. 394 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: Because it was pending, because if the cases were to continue, 395 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: would take the presidency and then be prosecuted or continue 396 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 4: to be prosecuted now as a city president, and that 397 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: the DOJ said is not our policy. Now, you could argue, well, 398 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 4: who's the state to say there're anyone better than to 399 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 4: go after a defense are willing to fold, why does 400 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: the state think they should keep on chugging along. 401 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. 402 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: And what's the answer to that is just different that's 403 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: different levels of government. 404 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're separate. And that was one of the arguments 405 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 4: that the defense made. The judge Mashawn here and he 406 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 4: just said, look, this is not a federal case. This 407 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: is a state case, and I'm going to call the 408 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: shots on this. If the state is deciding not to 409 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 4: unwind it, who am I to step into their shoes 410 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: and say I'm going to unwind it? He said, he 411 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 4: just didn't see the public policy grounds to dismiss this case. 412 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: He also made an interesting ruling on the presidential immunity argument. 413 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 4: He said that what Trump did the allegations in this case, 414 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 4: he did before he was president, So therefore he doesn't 415 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 4: feel the presidential immunity doctrine would even apply to the 416 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 4: hush money right, Whereas Trump's argument is, yeah, but you 417 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: called the witnesses in the hush money case that testified 418 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: about correspondence and communications I had while I was president, 419 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: So you used that type of fruits of that tree 420 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: against me in this case. So for that it should 421 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: be dismissed. 422 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: So, from what I understand this, Judge Mr Shawn signaled 423 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: that he will sentence the former and future president to 424 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: what's known as a conditional discharge. 425 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: What is that? 426 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 4: It just basically means that I don't think there's going 427 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: to be any kind of probationary period. It's just going 428 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: to be basically a time served. You got convicted, no 429 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: probation time served. Maybe there'll be some sort of a fine, 430 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: but there won't be any community service or community labor, 431 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: because the judge says, and there's ruling. I don't want 432 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 4: to be accused of in any way tying the hands 433 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 4: of the executive branch here. That's not what I'm trying 434 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 4: to do. I'm just trying to call the balls and 435 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 4: strike fairly. 436 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: So why was it so important for the judge to 437 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: wrap this up prior to Trump's swearing? Is it just 438 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: sort of a loose end that just hanging over the 439 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: future president or hanging over that court. 440 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: I think the judge himself just got tired of this. 441 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 4: This has been dragging on for years, to think about it, 442 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 4: from the beginning, from the onset, and he just doesn't 443 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: want to be going into the presidency, being put in 444 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 4: the hot seat deciding what to do to a sitting president. 445 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: He wants to just take care of this before Trump's 446 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 4: takes a presidency, and maybe they'll give him a bit 447 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 4: of an easy way out. But Trump's going to appeal, 448 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 4: So this is not the last word on this case. 449 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: So ultimately Trump has basically claimed vindication in all of 450 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: the four different cases against him. I guess from his 451 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: perspective he might be justified in doing that. But as 452 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: a lawyer, mean, he's a convicted felon, is he not. 453 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: Right? From a legal respective, he He's going to be 454 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: appealing this and his grounds are going to be that 455 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: this is a prosecution that has never been done before 456 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 4: in a sense that it was novel. The state took 457 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: what are generally misdemeanors and converted them to felonies under 458 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 4: a novel theory that had never been tested before, in 459 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 4: order to circumvent the statute of limitations issue that would 460 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 4: have barred them from charging him with misdemeanors. Defense had 461 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: the chance to pick up this case when they prosecuted 462 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: Michael Cohen, and they chose not to. So therefore was left, 463 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 4: you know, in the State's hands to try to desperately 464 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 4: go after it years later, which they got their convictions 465 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 4: in New York. Yeah, but I think Trump's got a 466 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 4: good argument on that theory, that this is a novel, 467 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: untested theory and he should be evicted of something that's 468 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: never been done before. 469 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 2: You ever wonder what it would be like to have 470 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump as a client, Well. 471 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: I definitely would get paid up front, That's what I've heard. Yeah, 472 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: But you know, I got to tell you, I don't 473 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 4: know how the lawyers deal with it in the sense 474 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: that there's so many moving pieces and so many outlets 475 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 4: and people you have to answer to, whether it's the news, 476 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: whether it's your client, whether it's your client circle of people. 477 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 4: It's a lot to juggle. So I don't envy people 478 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: those positions, but I do applaud them for doing that 479 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 4: kind of work because someone's got to do it and 480 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 4: it's not easy. 481 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 3: Well. 482 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: Lu Shapiro, attorney here in Los Angeles. Thanks always good 483 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thanks for your insight as we 484 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: look ahead to January tenth, essentially a slap on the 485 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: wrist for President Trump and the Stormy Daniels hush money case. 486 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: And I mentioned going into this segment. I'm just looking 487 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: it up while we were talking with Lou. It was 488 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: back in May of twenty eighteen that Stormy Daniels got 489 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: the key to the city in West Hollywood and West 490 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: Hollywood then Mayor John Duran declared it Stormy Daniels Day. 491 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: Her real name is Stephanie Clifford. 492 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: By the way, she was honored for her involvement in 493 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: the Resist movement, of which West Hollywood has been a 494 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: big part. 495 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: And there's the quote, and we'll leave it at this. 496 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: She's standing strong, putting it out there and taking on 497 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: the most powerful man on the planet. 498 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am sixty. 499 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman from Fox eleven News in for John Cobelt, 500 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: with you till four o'clock this afternoon, when, of course 501 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: the always fun and entertaining TCJ Tim Conway Junior takes 502 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: over enjoy chatting with him, probably in the three three 503 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: o'clock three fifty segment. So imagine a big, tough Green 504 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: Beret who's intimidated, afraid of, and made insecure of, made 505 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: insecure because of his wife. Apparently that is the picture 506 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: that is emerging as we learn more about cyber truck 507 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: suicide bomber. Matthew Libelsberger the Daily Mail Dailymail dot com 508 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: It's a major news these days, is quoting a pal 509 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: of the active duty Green Berets ex wife saying he 510 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: was emotionally abusive to her and that he was never 511 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: considered to be stable or solid, and I always felt 512 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: like he was intimidated by Sarah's strength and beauty and whatnot. 513 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: He was insecure, she was not in a great place 514 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: in life, and he was not supportive of her. So 515 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: where panting a picture of a very disturbed individual who 516 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: committed suicide in the most spectacular fashion, no doubt intended 517 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: to take other people with him, but due literally to 518 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: the steel construction of the cyber truck, apparently this bizarre 519 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: explosion was contained in the vehicle. Let's get the latest 520 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: from this afternoon Las ve Las Vegas Metro PD Sheriff 521 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: Kevin McHale gave a news briefing. 522 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 7: Sheriff Cooran mentioned although this incident is more public and 523 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 7: more sensational than usual, it ultimately appears to be a 524 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 7: tragic case of suicide involving a heavily decorated combat veteran 525 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 7: who is struggling with PTSD and other issues. 526 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: That was an update in this afternoon from Las Vegas. 527 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: You saw that amazing security camera footage or shocking security 528 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: camera footage, and then you were with us yesterday. We 529 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: had an interview with an Orange County man who was 530 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: at the hotel, the Trump International Hotel, with his wife 531 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: and young daughter, and described the panic and the uncertain 532 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: Remember this was early in the morning on Wednesday, and 533 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: the lack of information, which is understandable from the hotel 534 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: as everybody was evacuating the area because you know, we 535 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: had had what had happened in New Orleans just a 536 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: few hours earlier in everybody's mind. So there was fear, confusion, 537 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to call it panic, but near panic. 538 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: And now you know, we learn more about this. Levels 539 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: Burger Fellow, an active duty Green Green Beret. He's apparently 540 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: an avid Trump supporter for whatever that's worth. And there 541 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: was all this speculation about what kind of political statement 542 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: this made. It was at the Trump International Hotel. It 543 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: was driving Tesla cyber truck, and of course Tesla and 544 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: Trump's unofficial Vice president, Elon Musk, are tied together, so 545 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: there were a lot of bizarre questions, but bottom line is, 546 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: apparently it turned it's not terrorism and as you heard, 547 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: an unfortunate quote unfortunate act of suicide. Let's listen to 548 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: the latest from the FBI in Vegas. 549 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, So the second question is is how are we 550 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 8: able to explain the detonation versus the suicide. And we 551 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 8: just believe it to be simultaneous at the time of 552 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 8: the detonation. But again that's why the ATFS bringing into 553 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 8: Sabts from outside to look at what that sequence was 554 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 8: for the initiation of the explosion as well. And you know, 555 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 8: it's very difficult to see inside of those tesla's even 556 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 8: with the camera angles that we have, and so we 557 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 8: still remain challenged on fire. I mean, some of the 558 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 8: exact timing on all of that go ahead. 559 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is that really the most important thing? 560 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: I mean, we know what happened, as as much detail 561 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: as we the public probably needs right now. Again, spectacular suicide. 562 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: Will it inspire copycats? We certainly hope not. And again 563 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: they revealed that this Livelsburger fellow had shot himself on 564 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: the head shortly before blowing up on the cyber truck. 565 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: Remember we talked yesterday about this strange coincidence with the 566 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: New Orleans truck attack, and that they had both rented 567 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: the vehicle from Toro, which is a peer to peer 568 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: app that lets users rent strangers cars sort of similar 569 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: to Airbnb, and then filled it with explosives. And I 570 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: guess the good news is that the truck is super sturdy. 571 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: It's about an eighty thousand dollars vehicle, So it means 572 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 2: that the Trump Hotel and others escaped a death despite 573 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: the force of that blast, even though I believe seven 574 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: people were injured. So again, you know, those of us 575 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: in the news media, police are searching for the motive. Okay, 576 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: it's suicide. I mean, do we need more of a 577 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 2: motive than that. I mean, he apparently had a very 578 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: unhappy marriage, a very unhappy life, and chose to go 579 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: out in a bizarre way. One of the descriptions of 580 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: this livels Burger fellow is that he was described as 581 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: a Rambo type soldier and he was awarded five bronze 582 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: stars for his service. News organizations have spoken with his 583 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: fellow Green Berets. They said to be mystified is the 584 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: word they used by the killing and his uncle was 585 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: interviewed saying that the bomber, the calling the bomber had 586 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: not intended to hurt anyone with the blast, because he 587 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: had the skills to pull off a far worse atrocity 588 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: if he've wanted to. What investigators are saying is that 589 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: the the truck was filled with sort of amateur type 590 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: explosive device fuel fireworks. Wasn't any type of professional improvised 591 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: explosive device ied, despite presumably this Green Berets training. And remember, 592 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: this happened just hours after the shamsu didn Jabbar murdering 593 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: fourteen people in New Orleans and New Year's Day, and 594 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: police investigators the FBI still continue to insist that there 595 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: was no connection. It doesn't look like that's going to change, 596 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: although again this is still relatively early and considered preliminary information, 597 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: and it wouldn't be shocking or unexpected if this afternoon tomorrow, 598 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: At some point in the future they say, well, we 599 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: actually have uncovered a link between these two, perhaps a website, 600 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: perhaps military friends in common, perhaps other forms of radicalization 601 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: events they attended. It's all you know out there, but 602 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: it's like, does it matter to us here in Southern California? 603 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: Not really unless you're really into following and analyzing and 604 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: keeping up with the latest news, because unfortunately, all of 605 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: these attacks, all of these incidents, they kind of tend 606 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 2: to blend together in your memory. This one will stick 607 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: out because it was New Year's Day, and because there 608 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: were two, and because of the New Orleans attack on 609 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: the same morning. 610 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: But it's unfortunate reality. 611 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm as guilty of it as the next person, 612 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: and I'm in the news business. I have to go 613 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 2: back and look these things up. Wait, what was that 614 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: German market attack? 615 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 5: Wait? 616 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 3: What was the attack in Minneapolis? Wait? 617 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: What was the attack in San Bernardino way back in 618 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen? What school shooting was that? I mean, there's 619 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: so many of them. Remember, we talked quite a bit 620 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: yesterday about President Biden's comments these will not be tolerated 621 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: in the United States. Well, you know what, They are 622 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: tolerated in the United States because they keep happening, even 623 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: though tolerated perhaps isn't the most precise term. All Right, 624 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 2: I'm Phil Schuman in for John co Belt. We're just 625 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: getting started. As we moved through the afternoon here on 626 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: the first Friday of twenty twenty five, there's a course, 627 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: an update in the Menendez brothers case and the ongoing 628 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: efforts of relatives of the murder victims of all things, 629 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: to get Lyle and Eric Menendez out. We're going to 630 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 2: get an update on that also bizarre case around the 631 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: holidays of shooting at the target at seventh and Figure 632 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: Zh in downtown Los Angeles. The excellent Michael Monks from 633 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: KFI News will be joining us at the top of 634 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: the hour to talk about that, and then we're. 635 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 3: Going to visit more on the subject of New Orleans. 636 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: I mean, we can't avoid it, and the question that 637 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: I have and I want legal advice on this is 638 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: especially given allegations of negligence, barricades protective barricades we're not 639 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 2: in place. Can the victims' families succeed in a lawsuit 640 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: against who would that be? The City of New Orleans 641 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: the federal government. We're going to get into that, but 642 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: first let's get a news update from Deborah Mark Live 643 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: and the KFI twenty four hour News firm. 644 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 645 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: You can always hear the show live KFI Am six 646 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: forty from one to four pm every Monday. Through Friday, 647 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.