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Speaker 4: All so we're gonna have to address the elephant of
Speaker 4: the room at the outset. Right the way THAT i
Speaker 4: broke it up is into four. Groups so we've got
Speaker 4: top flight, Stockup darling, stockup top flight stock, Down darling stock.
Speaker 2: Down what does that?
Speaker 4: Mean top flight stock cup is like top ten to
Speaker 4: fifteen pitchers in baseball that are throwing like that, again
Speaker 4: or maybe even pushing into the top five to. Seven
Speaker 4: conversation top flight stock, down top ten to fifteen pitchers
Speaker 4: in baseball that are throwing to a six cra through
Speaker 4: the first five.
Speaker 2: Starts we're gonna say what the heck is going on?
Speaker 2: Here and then the.
Speaker 4: Darling are gonna be guys that many picked to be
Speaker 4: breakouts in twenty twenty. Six, Right people that a lot
Speaker 4: of baseball fans were really excited to watch throw over
Speaker 4: the course of the twenty six. Season why are they
Speaker 4: off to great starts and validating a lot of? That
Speaker 4: why are they off to poor starts and invalidating a
Speaker 4: lot of?
Speaker 2: That is that? Fair? Like those are good definitions of Each, RIGHT.
Speaker 1: I think it's more than. Fair i'm ready to talk
Speaker 1: about just a bunch of different, pictures whether we're, buying
Speaker 1: whether we're. Selling it's gonna be a fun, one and
Speaker 1: we got loads of. Pitchers it's probably not gonna be
Speaker 1: tons of analysis for each individual, guy but we are
Speaker 1: going to cover what fifteen to twenty starting pitchers on this.
Speaker 1: List it's gonna be. Fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah SO i figure one guy kind of deserves his
Speaker 4: own timestamp and section here because this is a mix
Speaker 4: of top flight and. Darling because What Jose soriano has
Speaker 4: done through his first five starts with The La.
Speaker 2: Angels so far this year is like this.
Speaker 4: Beautiful hybrid of like top flight and darling at the same.
Speaker 4: Time through six. Starts pardon For jose Sp, yiano thirty
Speaker 4: seven and two thirds, innings eighteen hits against, him one
Speaker 4: run it came in a solo home. Run he is
Speaker 4: five and oh through his front six. Starts he's punched
Speaker 4: out forty three and walked. Thirteen this, guy HIS zra.
Speaker 4: PLUS i love That peyton has this. Yere HIS zra
Speaker 4: plus is eighteen thirty. Five, remember one hundred is league.
Speaker 4: Average his zero point two to FOUR era is one,
Speaker 4: thousand eight hundred and thirty. Five the fewest amount of
Speaker 4: runs allowed in a starting pitcher's first six starts to
Speaker 4: begin a season minimum thirty.
Speaker 2: Innings thank you To Peyton.
Speaker 4: Genis Jose soriano has allowed one run in thirty seven
Speaker 4: and two thirds. Innings Fernando, Mania Fernando valezuela in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 4: one fifty four innings of, work two runs, Allowed Walter
Speaker 4: johnson The Big train fifty one innings and two runs
Speaker 4: allowed in nineteen, thirteen and then the one guy that
Speaker 4: kind of invalidates the list sort of kind Of Steven
Speaker 4: taveros in nineteen ninety four thirty four innings pitched and
Speaker 4: two runs.
Speaker 2: Alive this is elite.
Speaker 4: Company and if it was Just, Soriano Fernando vealezuela And Walter,
Speaker 4: johnson we're talking about the Next hall Of. Famer that
Speaker 4: was A rule five pick in return by The Pittsburgh
Speaker 4: pirates in twenty twenty one And Jose. Soriano But i'm
Speaker 4: gonna let you like a wax poetic About soriano right,
Speaker 4: now and Then i'll get into why some of this is,
Speaker 4: valid why some of this is. Invalid so first of,
Speaker 4: all that graphic is, absurd and it puts into perspective
Speaker 4: what we're watching here With Jose, soriano when you're on
Speaker 4: a list With Fernando, mania which is still remembered forty years,
Speaker 4: later And Walter, johnson WHO i think leads all starting
Speaker 4: pitchers career wise in war, right if YOU i understand,
Speaker 4: right they were throwing the plumbers or. Whatever and that's
Speaker 4: going to be the critique of A Walter. JOHNSON i
Speaker 4: respect the old. Guys so to be on a list
Speaker 4: With johnson And Fernando valezuela. Unbelievable But Jose Soriano PODCAST
Speaker 4: p AND i were talking pre record actually yesterday and
Speaker 4: basically what we were talking about, was this is a
Speaker 4: right handed Fromber valdez with better stuff because he has
Speaker 4: that patented knuckle curveball or the curveball That fromber.
Speaker 1: THROWS. Mh soriano's comes in. Harder fromber always sat in
Speaker 1: the load of mid nineties with his, sinker get a
Speaker 1: ton of movement on. It Jose soriano throws his sinker.
Speaker 1: Harder he actually has a more diverse pitch mix Than fromber.
Speaker 1: Did and what Is fromber the king of getting in
Speaker 1: a rhythm and getting ground? Balls Jose soriano he strikes
Speaker 1: out more batters Than fromber. Did he gets a similar
Speaker 1: rate of ground balls fifty eight point eight percent this
Speaker 1: year and he's routinely been in the high fifties even last.
Speaker 1: Year this is right Handed fromberveldez with better. Stuff right,
Speaker 1: Now that's what we're, watching and When fromberg is at
Speaker 1: his most, dominant when he's locating everything that he, wants
Speaker 1: we see abbreviated stretches of, this but this stretch is
Speaker 1: taken to a new height because the stuff is simply.
Speaker 1: Better and when he's just in the, zone even if
Speaker 1: they hit the ball hard jack it's on the, ground
Speaker 1: The angels defenders are gobbling it. Up it's as impressive
Speaker 1: of a pitcher as we have In Major league, baseball
Speaker 1: no doubt about. It he started the year at sixty
Speaker 1: six hundred to win The American League Czy. Young he
Speaker 1: is now plus eight hundred on BET mgm that type
Speaker 1: of steam and it is one hundred percent. Warranted he
Speaker 1: looks like one of the best pitchers in. Baseball and
Speaker 1: you see right increase in split, usage increase in four seam.
Speaker 1: Usage it's a more diverse pitch. Mix it's not just
Speaker 1: the sinker and knuckle curve a lot of what we've
Speaker 1: seen from from sure this is so.
Speaker 4: Impressive so the diversified pitch mix is really important, here
Speaker 4: and that could be leaning into why this is. Valid
Speaker 4: he's figuring out the best way to attack. Hitters and
Speaker 4: it's very similar the sinker and four seam usage to
Speaker 4: another elite ground ball guy In Major league, baseball Because
Speaker 4: Jose soriano over the last couple of years has been
Speaker 4: one of the elite ground ball, guys maybe the best
Speaker 4: ground ball guy In Major League, Baseball soriano one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirteen innings in twenty twenty. Four world Ground balls
Speaker 4: had a sixty percent clip last year one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 4: Innings world Ground balls had a sixty four and a
Speaker 4: half percent. Clip this year at a fifty seven percent,
Speaker 4: Clip so he's up there With. Fromber i'm going to
Speaker 4: make the comparison to logan web and the four seam
Speaker 4: implementation last.
Speaker 2: Year what did we talk about at.
Speaker 4: The beginning of the year with logan web in twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: Five he found a wif. Pitch he found the four
Speaker 4: seamer up, Top, like it's not just a show. Pitch
Speaker 4: it is a two strike pitch to get guys off
Speaker 4: of that ground ball cadence where it's going to be
Speaker 4: syncer at the, knees, curveball the, knees sinker at the
Speaker 4: knees snkre at the knees fastball up is a different.
Speaker 4: Pitch and is that the one that has been tagged
Speaker 4: for the only two extra base hits so far Against Jose. Soriano,
Speaker 4: yes but at the end of the, day it's something
Speaker 4: to adjust. Sights soriano is someone that Works East west a,
Speaker 4: lot but he also has This North south game and
Speaker 4: the four seam is a huge part of A North south.
Speaker 4: Game so it's not like anything changed in terms of urm.
Speaker 4: Angle it's not like really anything changed in terms of
Speaker 4: the shape of. Pitches the sinker is about a mile
Speaker 4: an hour, slower which might allow it to actually get
Speaker 4: a little bit down and more bowling. Ballish instead of
Speaker 4: ninety seven it's ninety. Six but at the end of the,
Speaker 4: day it's just another option and another thing for hitters
Speaker 4: to think, about and the more you can push hitters
Speaker 4: to their, heels the better a pitcher will. Be Jose
Speaker 4: soriano his last five starts have been. Immaculate april twenty,
Speaker 4: second last time out against The Toronto Blue, jays five scoreless.
Speaker 4: Innings that was On, wednesday with four ks and no.
Speaker 4: Walks but before, That april seventeenth against The padres five
Speaker 4: and two, thirds two, hits no, runs punched out, eight
Speaker 4: did walk. Four before, that he walked three In, cincinnati
Speaker 4: but it was seven scoreless with ten k's eight, innings
Speaker 4: a one run ball Against atlanta with ten k's and no,
Speaker 4: walks and before that At Wrigley, field six scoreless innings
Speaker 4: two hits and four ks with two.
Speaker 2: Walks the other thing.
Speaker 4: About soriano to mention is That Jose soriano is a
Speaker 4: guy that is going to need to walk a couple
Speaker 4: of people over the course of a given. Start LIKE i,
Speaker 4: understand the ten k's and no walks looks, good and
Speaker 4: the five k's and no walks looks, good but he
Speaker 4: does benefit a little bit from being effectively, wild and
Speaker 4: that is another tactic to keep hitters on their heels against.
Speaker 4: Him SO i do think there is a nice element
Speaker 4: to the walk issue For Jose. Soriano i'm not saying
Speaker 4: he needs to walk Five i'm just, saying like two
Speaker 4: walks each start is not the end of the world
Speaker 4: for a guy Like. Soriano it's far more palatable than
Speaker 4: a guy Like Blake. Snell BUT i mean it's it's
Speaker 4: a weapon for him in a certain.
Speaker 1: Sense what's the ultimate hedged to when you're walking betters
Speaker 1: the first pitch ground ball double, Play, yeah and that's
Speaker 1: What Jose. Soriano he just gets that sinker back into
Speaker 1: the zone after a, walk and those two outs can
Speaker 1: be a race just like. That SO i agree with, You,
Speaker 1: like it's not a bad. Thing if he's being effectively
Speaker 1: wild and he walks two guys per, start, Right Dylan
Speaker 1: cees is. Dominating right, now we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: Him he's walking four and a half per, nine the
Speaker 1: effectively wild, part and he's also rocking a fifty five
Speaker 1: percent ground ball. Rate so that ability to get out
Speaker 1: of an inning with a double, play hopefully on the
Speaker 1: first or second pitch of the ab can keep that
Speaker 1: pitch count down and then allow you to continue to eat.
Speaker 1: Innings BECAUSE i think equally as Impressive soriano with the
Speaker 1: strikeouts and the ground ball rate and the stuff is
Speaker 1: his ability to go deep in, games saving That angel's.
Speaker 1: Bullpen so everything is coming Up Jose, soriano no doubt about.
Speaker 1: It so the zero point two four era is probably, unsustainable.
Speaker 1: Folks what could be sustainable as A Cy young race
Speaker 1: till the very end in The American.
Speaker 2: League So Peter, apple yes or.
Speaker 4: No Jose soriano finishes top three in Al Cy young voting.
Speaker 2: This, Year.
Speaker 1: So top of brain goes To schooble, Clearly, okay second to.
Speaker 1: Me right now we're gonna talk about, Him Dylan, cease, okay,
Speaker 1: Three i'm trying to decide Between soriano And Cam schlitler
Speaker 1: Or Max. FRIED i think all of those, guys BECAUSE
Speaker 1: i Think freed and we'll talk about him in a.
Speaker 1: Second there is an intent to eat innings, there SO
Speaker 1: i think he could be like two two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty innings could see. That I'm i'm gonna say there's
Speaker 1: too many irons in the fire for me to stamp.
Speaker 1: That i'm going to sell. It BUT i don't feel
Speaker 1: good about it at. All he.
Speaker 2: EASILY i. Don't, YEAH i don't feel good about it.
Speaker 4: EITHER i do think that he fishes outside the top,
Speaker 4: three but it is an amazing start and we just
Speaker 4: have to revel in, it and we have to each
Speaker 4: time he toes the rubber moving, forward make it must
Speaker 4: watch television until you know the blow up start, happens
Speaker 4: and it could and it, might and it might happen
Speaker 4: next time. Out but at the end of the, day
Speaker 4: What Jose soriano is doing has literally never been done.
Speaker 4: Before he is MAKING mlb history each time he toes
Speaker 4: the rubber for The La, angels And Mike trout has
Speaker 4: eight or nine home runs and zac nedo'sops is over
Speaker 4: eight hundred vibes are high In. Anaheim right, Now that's
Speaker 4: All i'm going to say on that. Front, absolutely let's
Speaker 4: take us to the top flight stock up guys. Again
Speaker 4: these are top ten to fifteen pitchers in baseball that
Speaker 4: are absolutely looking the, part AND i just wanted to
Speaker 4: highlight their strong starts of the. Year and we've got
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of guys that we can go. To
Speaker 4: i'm actually going to go to someone that flies under
Speaker 4: the radar per se in this clumping of guys at the.
Speaker 4: Outset BUT i think it's pertinent BECAUSE i just brought
Speaker 4: up the point of the two fastballs For Jose. Soriano
Speaker 4: Brian wu has entered this new frontier because of the two.
Speaker 4: Fastballs he's a four seam and sinker, guy And, wu
Speaker 4: through five starts thirty two, innings pitch at a two
Speaker 4: point twenty five.
Speaker 2: Ra what he does is.
Speaker 4: CLINICAL i, mean you know exactly what you're getting From
Speaker 4: Brian wu each time. Out and it's interesting because what
Speaker 4: first deason of him in twenty twenty, four we were
Speaker 4: talking about this guy being a little bit, fragile and
Speaker 4: it felt like he was day to day on a
Speaker 4: couple of occasions with injuries and how is he going
Speaker 4: to eat? Innings he shut us up real quick with
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty seven innings last year to sub THREE.
Speaker 4: Erra he's hunting three straight years with a sub THREE,
Speaker 4: era and he's off to a heck of a. Start
Speaker 4: in thirty two. Innings he's only punching out twenty, six
Speaker 4: but he's only walked six guys in one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty three batters, faced and opponents are hitting a buck
Speaker 4: ninety five against.
Speaker 2: Him what have you taken away From Brian wu's start
Speaker 2: of the?
Speaker 1: Year number, ONE i don't think he looks that great
Speaker 1: and he's still putting up a two two FIVE rara,
Speaker 1: Sure AND i think it's you can see that in
Speaker 1: this vant, profile. Right the hard hit rate is up
Speaker 1: a little, Bit he's not getting as many ground balls
Speaker 1: as he used. To the swing and miss isn't quite.
Speaker 1: There BUT i also feel Like i'm watching a pitcher
Speaker 1: who knows. Himself and WHAT i mean by that is
Speaker 1: he HAS i mean he has to have this uber
Speaker 1: confidence in that forcing. Fastball he was already a forcing
Speaker 1: fastball dominant, pitcher but that usage has continued to climb this,
Speaker 1: year AND i think he's almost testing the limits of
Speaker 1: how many just four seemers CAN i throw Where i'm
Speaker 1: painting the corners Or i'm throwing it up in the,
Speaker 1: Zone and CAN i continue to eat innings to get
Speaker 1: through Outings and then maybe further on in the year
Speaker 1: he starts mixing in other, Pitches but right now it's
Speaker 1: really those two variations of. Fastballs, now that's kind of
Speaker 1: always been his, mo but this year it just feels
Speaker 1: like he's taken that to new. Heights and with a
Speaker 1: guy Like Brian wou knowing himself and knowing how he
Speaker 1: can eat through innings throughout a, SEASON i think right
Speaker 1: now he's just testing those. Boundaries so the numbers don't look,
Speaker 1: great BUT i think it's a testament to his talent
Speaker 1: that he could pitch to a two two five era
Speaker 1: while just basically Saying i'm gonna throw fastballs In april
Speaker 1: and then we'll start kind of working on everything. ELSE
Speaker 1: i dare you to hit. It they ain't two two five.
Speaker 1: Era it's so impressive the.
Speaker 4: Numbers you say the numbers don't look, great you're talking
Speaker 4: about the, peripherals because the numbers themselves actually look pretty darn.
Speaker 4: Great last five starts six, innings a two run, ball
Speaker 4: seven innings of one, hit shutout, ball five, innings one earned,
Speaker 4: run seven, innings three, runs seven, innings two. Runs so
Speaker 4: this guy is always eating, innings Mister Bryan. Woo and
Speaker 4: he's seventy five percent fastball, man he's fifty percent four,
Speaker 4: seeing twenty five percent. Sinker he was seventy five percent
Speaker 4: fastball last year. Too to your, point he's pushing the.
Speaker 4: Limits how many fastballs CAN i throw without getting?
Speaker 2: Beaten and it's just.
Speaker 1: HAPPENING i think he's running a science, experiment and he's
Speaker 1: more just collectic. Data he was, like my roseball looked,
Speaker 1: great But i'm. Producing let's see how far we could
Speaker 1: take this. Now of, course guys are just gonna only
Speaker 1: be sitting, fastball BUT i have to imagine they're pretty
Speaker 1: much doing that. Now and the AVERAGE exi velocity against
Speaker 1: it is still under ninety miles an. Hour when you
Speaker 1: know one out of every two pitches you're getting is
Speaker 1: a forcing, fastball that's how damn good the forcing fastball.
Speaker 1: Is and that's why as soon as he came up
Speaker 1: and started, dominating we rushed to, him because we, said all,
Speaker 1: right your main pitch is going to be this, good
Speaker 1: and you can locate it this, well and you can
Speaker 1: repeat your mechanics and you have such a smooth, delivery
Speaker 1: you're gonna. Perform and that's exactly what he's.
Speaker 4: Done really solid bounce back start From Max freed In
Speaker 4: boston On.
Speaker 2: Thursday AND i want to talk.
Speaker 4: About freed, next Because freed was coming off of a
Speaker 4: start against The La angels where he went five and
Speaker 4: a third of five earned run. Baseball he surrendered a home,
Speaker 4: run he walked, three he only caved. Three but he
Speaker 4: goes eight scoreless with three hits allowed and nine punchouts
Speaker 4: in a four to one winner of The Red sox
Speaker 4: On wednesday. Night freed is looking like a front line.
Speaker 4: Starter and, Yes New york is getting called, Back Yes
Speaker 4: New york is Getting rodin, Back Yes schlitler is throwing
Speaker 4: to a sub to era right. Now But freed does
Speaker 4: he not give you the most comfort every single time
Speaker 4: he tows the rubber for The.
Speaker 1: YANKEES i will say it does look like a slightly
Speaker 1: different version Of Max freed this year BECAUSE i don't
Speaker 1: know if people have, noticed but a strikeout rate is,
Speaker 1: down and now he still has the pitches to go
Speaker 1: get a strike out when he needs. To BUT i
Speaker 1: think that there is intent. Here AND i already said this,
Speaker 1: earlier BUT i really believe this to eat a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Innings forty one innings leads Major League baseball so. Far
Speaker 1: he's in the zone, consistently but it almost feels like
Speaker 1: When i'm watching him inning by, inning he's not really
Speaker 1: trying to paint the corners quite as. Much he's just
Speaker 1: going after, hitters and hitters simply aren't able to make
Speaker 1: hard contact against, him so his pitch count stays low
Speaker 1: throughout the, game and maybe a couple of runs get
Speaker 1: scattered here and, there but then we're in the seventh
Speaker 1: or the eighth. Inning Like Max freed has pitched into
Speaker 1: the sixth inning in every single. Start the only time
Speaker 1: he didn't pitch into the seventh inning was that game
Speaker 1: against The. Angels and in that game against The, angels it,
Speaker 1: says you, know five earned. Runs four of those earned
Speaker 1: runs came in the sixth inning where he was. WORKING
Speaker 1: i look At Max. Freed i've watched every single, start
Speaker 1: in every single inning this, year he's had one bad.
Speaker 1: Inning like this version Of Max, freed he already got his, money,
Speaker 1: Right he doesn't need to light up the fanggraft stuff plus.
Speaker 1: Models he doesn't need to put up this gouty strikeout
Speaker 1: rate in order to impress the nerdy gms in baseball
Speaker 1: who are gonna give him a two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: Contract he already his huge. Contract so this version Of Max,
Speaker 1: freed While Garrett cole is, injured While Carlos rodonner is,
Speaker 1: injured While Clark schmidt is, injured and they're basically kind
Speaker 1: of running a four man, rotation even Though Luis heel
Speaker 1: has kind of become that five and he did look
Speaker 1: good in his last. Start but this version Of Max,
Speaker 1: FREED i, think and this is just, SPECULATING i am just.
Speaker 1: Guessing he spoke with pitching Coach Matt blake and he,
Speaker 1: SAID i want to throw two hundred to two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty innings this. Year, yeah what DO i? Do
Speaker 1: AND i think he's exactly doing. It he's living in the.
Speaker 1: Zone he's not looking for the. Strikeout he's, like, yeah
Speaker 1: put it on the. GROUND i need to get into
Speaker 1: the seventh and. Eighth he's saving the bullpen in the.
Speaker 1: Process this version Of Max FREED i am enjoying so
Speaker 1: much BECAUSE i don't need nine ten strikeouts in an.
Speaker 1: Outing if you go seven and shrikeout six or seven
Speaker 1: and give up one earned and you're able to save the,
Speaker 1: bullpen it's a godsend for the rest of THE mb.
Speaker 2: Season really Cool peyton which got On.
Speaker 5: Freed, HONESTLY i just wanted to bring up a quick
Speaker 5: note THAT i saw or in watch, yesterday is That
Speaker 5: Max freed early in his excellent start against The Red
Speaker 5: sox where he could have went the, distance but you,
Speaker 5: Know Brent headrich needed to.
Speaker 1: Work he abandoned his wind.
Speaker 2: Up good by the, way don't by the, Way, Hedrick.
Speaker 1: I'm, Not i'm.
Speaker 5: Not i'm not just SAYING i got a little spooky
Speaker 5: at the. End But Max reid abandoned his wind up
Speaker 5: yesterday in the, game and then Because Matt blake told
Speaker 5: him it's not, Working, yeah so he stopped doing it
Speaker 5: and then he started continued the shove efficiently got through eight.
Speaker 5: INNINGS i just, think, like Like peter said, too it's just,
Speaker 5: funny like the Really Matt blake's influence over THIS uh
Speaker 5: staff is really.
Speaker 1: IMPRESSIVE i. Think, also, yeah, sorry real quick, check it's
Speaker 1: another great point OF i think it's just kind of
Speaker 1: simplifying things a little, bit like he's already got this
Speaker 1: diverse pitch, mix and it's, like, dude just live in the.
Speaker 1: Zone your stuff is good. Enough just throw strikes constantly
Speaker 1: and you might not rack up the amount of strikeouts
Speaker 1: that you might want or that makes you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like an, ace but at the end of the,
Speaker 1: year you might lead the league in innings and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have AN era below three because we're gonna defend behind.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 1: Right, so this version Of Max, FREED i LOVE I
Speaker 1: LOVE I, LOVE i love.
Speaker 4: You, peyton you skipped out on my favorite part of that.
Speaker 4: Quote Brian hoak put it out and he talked To
Speaker 4: freed after his. Start hoaks Said Max freid abandon his
Speaker 4: full one up mid. Game he said his second inning
Speaker 4: walk To Andrew monasterio Prompted Matt blake to, say, Quote,
Speaker 4: hey it's not. Working when are you gonna cut it?
Speaker 4: Out it's not like it's not, working it's when are
Speaker 4: you gonna stop doing the dumb thing and do the smart?
Speaker 2: Thing And freed had a good quote following.
Speaker 4: That he, said, quote for whatever, reason this, Year i've
Speaker 4: walked a ton of guys in the wind up AND
Speaker 4: i haven't walked to anyone in the. Stretch you've got
Speaker 4: to suck up your pride and just say whatever's, working
Speaker 4: that's what you've got to go and.
Speaker 2: Do that's fun.
Speaker 4: Stuff AND i love That Matt blake can be a
Speaker 4: straight shooter to a two hundred and eighteen million dollar
Speaker 4: pitcher In. Freed hey, man when are you gonna stop
Speaker 4: doing the dumb thing and do the smart? Thing And
Speaker 4: freed stopped doing the dumb thing and did the smart.
Speaker 4: Thing another, guy super simple and does look like he's
Speaker 4: hunting two hundred to two hundred and twenty innings this.
Speaker 4: Year my pick For National LEAGUE'S I Young Christopher sanchez
Speaker 4: to The Philadelphia. PHILLIES i know very few things are
Speaker 4: going right for The Philadelphia phillies right.
Speaker 2: Now they are one of the roughest watches in.
Speaker 4: Baseball met's got to win On, Wednesday so now the
Speaker 4: longest losing streak in baseball belongs to The Philadelphia. Phillies
Speaker 4: But Christopher sanchez through five turns of the rotation is
Speaker 4: at twenty eight to the third innings.
Speaker 2: And is scattered thirty two.
Speaker 4: Hits hard to believe that opponents are hitting two seventy
Speaker 4: eight against, him and it's still a one five to nine.
Speaker 4: Era now there are five unearned runs in, there but
Speaker 4: he's punched out thirty nine and walked.
Speaker 2: Eight the peripherals may not tell you that.
Speaker 4: This is the best version Of sanchez because the hard
Speaker 4: hit rate is, high but at the end of the,
Speaker 4: day it's a sixty percent ground ball rate For. Sanchez and,
Speaker 4: dude if it looks like this when nobody's helping him,
Speaker 4: defensively imagine what it actually looks like when The phillies
Speaker 4: get their get themselves in. Gear it's a one five
Speaker 4: nine era and he doesn't look all that. Great this
Speaker 4: is a human. Buzzsaw you go on the plate and
Speaker 4: he just knifes you in the. BAT i, mean this
Speaker 4: sinker like it is getting hit harder right, now but it's.
Speaker 1: Got a launch angle of one. Degrees so how do
Speaker 1: you hedge a high hard hit? Rate what is From
Speaker 1: bervelda has been doing his entire career giving up hard.
Speaker 1: Contact guess what doesn't. Matter it's on the ground and
Speaker 1: that's so debilitating to an. Offense because you make solid
Speaker 1: contact against the. Guy it feels good it hits you
Speaker 1: right in the middle of that. Barrel but it's got
Speaker 1: such late downward action that you just smack it at
Speaker 1: the second. Basement and now guys like this can run
Speaker 1: in issues occasionally right where those grounders are finding a,
Speaker 1: hole or a sinker catches too much of the middle
Speaker 1: of the zone and doesn't move quite at the rate
Speaker 1: that you might want it, to or you just sit
Speaker 1: middle and a guy could hit it really. Hard that's
Speaker 1: sometimes what has happened To Christopher, sanchez like he doesn't
Speaker 1: look quite as pinpoint as he normally. Is because when
Speaker 1: you Watch Christopher, sanchez the first thing that stands out
Speaker 1: to you is how nasty he is with his sinker
Speaker 1: and his change up and his. Slider but what elevates
Speaker 1: him to being a consistent top five pitcher and at his,
Speaker 1: peak as good as any pitcher on the planet is
Speaker 1: his pinpoint command with these three. Pitches he has perfected
Speaker 1: these three pitches. Right it's kind of similar To. Scooball
Speaker 1: they just have different ways of getting you out. Right
Speaker 1: scooble mostly a four seam fastball and his big old
Speaker 1: breaking ball and his change. Up sanchez is a very similar.
Speaker 1: Formula it's Just scooble will strike you out at the
Speaker 1: top of the zone with his forcing fastball one hundred
Speaker 1: miles an, hour And Christopher sanchez will get you ground
Speaker 1: out on his ninety five mile hour. Sinker but Now
Speaker 1: sanchez is so freaking nasty that he's posting strikeout rates
Speaker 1: that are similar To Trek. Skuobal so, yes is it
Speaker 1: perfect right? Now? No is it incredible that he's posting
Speaker 1: a one to five to NINE. Era AND i don't
Speaker 1: even think he's reached his final form. Yet he's so fricking.
Speaker 1: Good he is a.
Speaker 2: Buzzsaw he's ridiculously.
Speaker 4: Good and that is why he is kind of leading
Speaker 4: my thought for The National League Cy young right, now
Speaker 4: along With, schemes along With Mason, miller along with this
Speaker 4: guy through four Starts sho he O, Tani oh my,
Speaker 4: god at twenty four, innings is sitting at a zero
Speaker 4: point three to EIGHT era twenty four, innings two runs,
Speaker 4: allowed just one of which.
Speaker 2: Earned he's punched out twenty five and walked.
Speaker 4: Six last night In San, francisco sat ninety nine with
Speaker 4: the heater And otani against the four seam. Fastball so
Speaker 4: far this, year opponents are four for thirty eight with eleven.
Speaker 4: Ks SO i Love peyton having both savant, bubble you,
Speaker 4: know layouts back to back here for our YouTube, crowd
Speaker 4: he's got an eight to fifty four ohps offensively still
Speaker 4: riding is On Bass street and everybody.
Speaker 2: Is pretending like it's just a horrible year For Sho Hao.
Speaker 4: Tani meanwhile on the, hill he does look like a
Speaker 4: legitimate Cy young. Contender so yes or, No Sho Hao
Speaker 4: tani is a legit threat to win The National League
Speaker 4: Say Young award this.
Speaker 1: Year he is as talented as any pitcher in The National.
Speaker 1: League he won't have the innings Got that's Where i'm
Speaker 1: at because The dodgers goal isn't to Get Sho Hal
Speaker 1: tani more. AWARDS i, mean like that's not In.
Speaker 2: October, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah they want him throwing at this love In. October
Speaker 1: and right now he's showcasing why he's one of the
Speaker 1: most talented. Pitchers AND i always argue with my friends
Speaker 1: that Are dodger fans when they, say Show Heo tani
Speaker 1: is a top ten, pitcher and my, routine you, know
Speaker 1: counter argument is that if he threw one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty to one hundred and ninety, innings, absolutely but he
Speaker 1: doesn't and he won't because again do The dodgers care
Speaker 1: about his six inning incredible performance In. August, no they
Speaker 1: want to get him tuned. Up so right now it looks.
Speaker 1: Amazing In may it's gonna look, amazing and then In
Speaker 1: june might see him skip a, star then skip a
Speaker 1: few and kind of take the summer a little bit,
Speaker 1: easy and then Come August september gets ramped back up. Again,
Speaker 1: Bang and then we're In october and you Have Blake,
Speaker 1: Snell Yoshinobu, Yamamoto Tyler glass now And otani at his
Speaker 1: peak is as talent as any of. Them that is
Speaker 1: the foreheaded monster that can give The daughters their third
Speaker 1: Straight World. Series that is the most important. Part Is
Speaker 1: otani talented enough to? Win Sy? Young? Fuck yeah he.
Speaker 1: Is he's so. Good he THREW i don't know how
Speaker 1: many pitches he threw over one hundred miles an. Hour
Speaker 1: last NIGHT i lost, callion and THEN i went To
Speaker 1: Baseball savant to look at like the top five, pitches
Speaker 1: the hardest pitches in that. Game it's ALL O tawni
Speaker 1: and it's all over one. Hundred so he probably had
Speaker 1: even more that were like one hundred point zero or.
Speaker 1: Something WHEN i watch, him my eyes pop out of my,
Speaker 1: head but knowing the innings will likely be. Limited, NO
Speaker 1: i don't think he finishes even top ten in Sy,
Speaker 1: young but it's not his. Fault it's not his.
Speaker 4: Fault, INTERESTING i think he does get enough Cy young
Speaker 4: votes to finish top ten And Siang award. VOTING i
Speaker 4: don't think he wins The National league Say, young BUT
Speaker 4: i think he can finish in like the, fifth, sixth
Speaker 4: seventh place area in The National. League one more guy
Speaker 4: that we got to talk about here in terms of
Speaker 4: top flight starter is a guy that is a two
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar. Pitcher let's Cease sees through five, starts
Speaker 4: sporting a two point one ZERO era in twenty five
Speaker 4: and two thirds.
Speaker 2: Innings he's punched.
Speaker 4: Out forty four guys his last five starts five and a,
Speaker 4: third twelve, k's four and a, third six, k's five,
Speaker 4: innings eight k's six, innings six k's and then five.
Speaker 2: Innings twelve k's and anaheim last time.
Speaker 4: Out dylan sees is walking guys, still but at the
Speaker 4: end of the, day nobody is barreling him, up literally, nobody.
Speaker 2: And he's striking out the freaking. World. Man it's a
Speaker 2: forty percent k.
Speaker 1: RATE i think you have to say that point. Again
Speaker 1: nobody's barreling him, up because on the audio side it
Speaker 1: could sound. Hyperbolic his barrel rate is zero, percent zero.
Speaker 2: Percent faced one hundred and eleven, hitters not a single
Speaker 2: home run. Allowed just, yet there you.
Speaker 1: Go this version looks better than any version Of Dylan
Speaker 1: cees that we have, seen and we can't forget. That
Speaker 1: on The White sox he pitched to a two to
Speaker 1: two ZERO era over one hundred and eighty four innings
Speaker 1: with two hundred and twenty seven. Strikeouts this is another.
Speaker 1: Level he's striking out fifteen per nine right. Now he's
Speaker 1: got forty four punches in twenty five and two thirds
Speaker 1: two one ZERO. Era but what's most impressive beyond the
Speaker 1: uptick and fastball, velocity he's sitting ninety eight miles an
Speaker 1: hour right, now AND i think that's. WRONG i never
Speaker 1: see ninety eight mine hour fastballs From. Cease when do
Speaker 1: you when you when you're watching, him do you see ninety?
Speaker 1: Eight ALL i see is ninety diyed to one. Hundred
Speaker 1: maybe it's on my bathroom break WHAT i got to
Speaker 1: take a pee real? Quick and those are when the
Speaker 1: ninety eight min hour.
Speaker 2: Fastballs ALL i seeing a lot During dylan sea. STARTS
Speaker 2: i don't PERSONALLY i.
Speaker 1: DRINK i drink a lot of. Water it's Not cease's,
Speaker 1: fault it's my. Fault good for, you, Dude thank. You
Speaker 1: cease has the ability to strike out any batter in
Speaker 1: any park with any one of his. Pitches not a
Speaker 1: lot of people can say.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah but what's most impressive About Dylan sees this? Season
Speaker 1: how do you hedge hard? Contact you keep the ball
Speaker 1: on the. Ground, yeah and sometimes cecis ran into. That
Speaker 1: but not only is he not allowing hard, contact the
Speaker 1: grand ball rates at fifty five. Percent this is everything
Speaker 1: that you could have possibly imagined About Dylan. Cees remember
Speaker 1: when we love the fit so much because of The
Speaker 1: Blue jays defense behind. Him you factor that in with
Speaker 1: a new pitching coach who's PROBABLY i, assume helping him
Speaker 1: fresh arm because he's only coming off one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty eight innings last, year so his arm might be
Speaker 1: feeling a little bit. Better and this, Version i'm dangerously
Speaker 1: close to buying twelve to one on BET mgm for
Speaker 1: him to win this site ON i think this IS
Speaker 1: i think when his stuff looks like, this and that
Speaker 1: ground ball rate is that. High he can go up Against.
Speaker 1: Schooble the thing is he's not nearly as consistent As.
Speaker 1: Schooble he hasn't put it together consistently Like scooble. Has
Speaker 1: just talking about in a vacuum with their stuff right,
Speaker 1: Now he's as good as. Anybody Anybody scoopble. Schemes sanchez
Speaker 1: put them all on the. Line skeins can go or excuse, me,
Speaker 1: cease can go toe to toe with any of.
Speaker 4: Them, interesting, Okay, uh those were our top flight arms
Speaker 4: that we had to talk. About we're talking about darlings
Speaker 4: that have their stock up right now in a. Moment
Speaker 4: but before, that let's. Boosh i'm also gonna take a
Speaker 4: page out of the call up. HERE i think we
Speaker 4: may separate this into a two part OR i think
Speaker 4: we do stock down. Tomorrow that makes some, sense, right
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i want to spend some time on these.
Speaker 1: Guys. Two, yeah WHAT i even WHEN i said at the,
Speaker 1: beginning like we're not gonna analyze these, guys we can't help, ourselves.
Speaker 2: We're gone helping over these.
Speaker 1: GUYS i am so doubt to do part two tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Again the Call up is like the king of podcasts
Speaker 4: that have a plan for one, day and it's, like
Speaker 4: you know, what this is probably three, episodes so we'll
Speaker 4: just make this three. Episodes so now we're, Pivoting so
Speaker 4: we're doing Stock up today and then we're gonna Stuck down.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow that's what we're gonna. Dom you cool with?
Speaker 4: That oh all, right let's wrap this episode with the darlings.
Speaker 2: Here we already talked About Jose.
Speaker 4: Soriano but the other darling on the mountain baseball right,
Speaker 4: Now Cam, schlitzler The New York yankees. Man schlitler has
Speaker 4: been untouchable at the. Outset he had one blip in the.
Speaker 4: RADAR i wouldn't even call his start In tampa blip
Speaker 4: in the, radar but like it was back to back
Speaker 4: three run outings at home against The a's and then
Speaker 4: on the road Against. Tampa he bounces back perfectly with
Speaker 4: six innings nowhere and runs and six k's against The
Speaker 4: Kansas City. Royals before, that five and a third one
Speaker 4: hit six and the third two hit eight k's In
Speaker 4: San francisco at his first, start seven k's In seattle
Speaker 4: in his second.
Speaker 2: Start so through five starts this.
Speaker 4: Year in twenty seven and two thirds, Innings Cam schlittler
Speaker 4: has a one point nine to FIVE, era thirty six
Speaker 4: punchouts to three. Walks he has no fear. Zero schlitzler
Speaker 4: is the guy that you turn on if you love.
Speaker 4: Heaters if you love, heaters you turn On Cam. Schlitzler last,
Speaker 4: season fastball cutters and sinkers took up ninety percent of his.
Speaker 4: Arsenal this, year fastball's cutter sinkers take up ninety percent
Speaker 4: of his. Arsenal so what's with the? Leap why is
Speaker 4: he leading all pitchers in f war right now and
Speaker 4: we're recording before his start scheduled tonight against The Boston Red.
Speaker 1: Sox it's because the cutter is so. Good the cutter
Speaker 1: is so. Good he's throwing at ninety three to ninety
Speaker 1: four miles an. Hour it's got this sharp late break
Speaker 1: because his forcing. Fastball he threw it a ton last
Speaker 1: year right last, year threw at fifty six percent of
Speaker 1: the time at ninety eight miles an hour and opponents
Speaker 1: hit one seventy three against. It why would you go
Speaker 1: away from? That, well he's. Not he's still throwing at
Speaker 1: forty percent of the. Time but he's up that cut
Speaker 1: usage and it's just so. Hard but in the back
Speaker 1: of your mind you still have to keep his big
Speaker 1: ol'd loopy curveball in your in your, mind, RIGHT i
Speaker 1: don't even know how to explain it all that, well
Speaker 1: you still have to keep that curveball in the back
Speaker 1: of your. Head so when he throws that eighty four
Speaker 1: mine hour, curveball it's such a great taste, breaker but
Speaker 1: he doesn't bring it out all that. Often he is
Speaker 1: just challenging hitters with fastballs at the, top sinkers running
Speaker 1: into rities and cutters that he's throwing into rieties that
Speaker 1: end up more towards the middle of the, plate and
Speaker 1: it's so hard clearly to decipher which one is. Which
Speaker 1: and even if you guess, right they're coming in so
Speaker 1: freaking fast because he extends well down the mound and
Speaker 1: it's ninety eight mine hour, heaters it's ninety four mine hour.
Speaker 1: Cutters what is he throwing his sinker at right? Now ninety?
Speaker 1: Seven good luck This he's challenging hitters with elite stuff
Speaker 1: and it's all, heaters and he's, SAYING i dare, YOU
Speaker 1: i love.
Speaker 4: This So Cam schlitzler is literally in the one hundred
Speaker 4: percent tile in terms of fastball run, value, right he's
Speaker 4: generated a fastball run value of positive eleven so far this.
Speaker 2: Year but when you do.
Speaker 4: Dissect how he has gotten to plus eleven in terms
Speaker 4: of fastball run, value he does not have a top
Speaker 4: thirty pitch in. Baseball his four seemer as a positive
Speaker 4: run value of, four his sinker as a positive run
Speaker 4: value of, four and his cutter as a positive run value.
Speaker 4: Three so he's just playing the addition game where he
Speaker 4: has three really good heaters instead of one great pitch
Speaker 4: in terms of run, value and it is the best
Speaker 4: fastball run value In Major league. Baseball Cam schlittler is
Speaker 4: ripping a sub to. Era THE fip under one and
Speaker 4: the EXPECTED fip is still below. Two it's the best
Speaker 4: EXPECTED fip in. Baseball it's one of the best expected
Speaker 4: ras in, baseball and it IS i think the BEST
Speaker 4: fip among qualified pitchers In Major league. Baseball Cam schlitler
Speaker 4: is lapping the field effectively in terms of F war
Speaker 4: among starting pitchers because he took a page out of
Speaker 4: The gosman. Book no, homers no, walks bunch of. Strekeouts
Speaker 4: that's how you rack up, War Baby schlitler might be
Speaker 4: a war accumulator one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent because you look At fangraf's war and it's
Speaker 1: related back to fielding Independent PITCHING. Fip what IS fip?
Speaker 1: Like it likes what pitchers can, control, strikeouts, walks, homers.
Speaker 1: Kem schlittler has three walks thirty six, punchies so not.
Speaker 2: Only zero, homers zero, homers.
Speaker 1: Zero, homers three, walks thirty six, ks zero. Homers what
Speaker 1: can you control those three? X fip normalizes home run
Speaker 1: to flyball, rate and it's still that low because he
Speaker 1: ain't walking nobody and he's punching everybody. Out so he's
Speaker 1: living in the zone with three elite heaters with the
Speaker 1: curveball as the taste. Breaker good, Luck good luck ladies and,
Speaker 1: Gentlemen good luck Red sox. Tonight see what happens.
Speaker 4: If you're not fired up about The Randy vasquez experience
Speaker 4: In San diego right. NOW i don't think you like,
Speaker 4: fun and you're probably out on bungee jumping and skydiving
Speaker 4: and other. Things The Savant page be, damned, folks that's
Speaker 4: a lot of. BLUE i don't give a. Shit Randy
Speaker 4: vasquez twenty eight and two thirds innings and a one
Speaker 4: eight EIGHT era through five, starts punched out thirty in
Speaker 4: the whip is just under one point. One it doesn't look.
Speaker 4: Pretty it never looks pretty in A Randy vasquez. Start and,
Speaker 4: yes he allowed four runs and walked four in four
Speaker 4: innings two times out Against, seattle but he somehow bounces
Speaker 4: back with seven scoreless in a one nothing win over
Speaker 4: The Colorado.
Speaker 2: Rockies, here The.
Speaker 4: Randy vasquez experience against stresses me, out but it's kind
Speaker 4: of awesome right.
Speaker 2: NOW i can't.
Speaker 1: Lie this stuff just looks. Better Right his fastball velocity is.
Speaker 1: Up he can work with seven different, pitches and he
Speaker 1: just kind of keeps you off your on your on
Speaker 1: your toes enough to not make super loud contact like
Speaker 1: his three most used. Pitches the eggs velocity against is
Speaker 1: over ninety miles an. Hour it's not exactly, ideal, Right
Speaker 1: that's probably why the underlying er predictors are not as
Speaker 1: keen on. Him it's, like, well if you keep giving
Speaker 1: up this amount of hard contact and you're only keeping
Speaker 1: it on the ground at a forty three percent, rate
Speaker 1: inevitably you might run into some. Trouble and, yes, Inevitably
Speaker 1: Randy vasquez is going to have some tough, starts BUT
Speaker 1: i still am sticking with my gut and thinking to, Myself,
Speaker 1: yeah but those really good starts where he's keeping himself
Speaker 1: out of trouble will still at the end of the
Speaker 1: year probably give him AN era in the mid, threes
Speaker 1: maybe high, threes and he'll be able to eat innings
Speaker 1: as well because he's throwing a lot more strikes than
Speaker 1: he used. To his strikeout rate has doubled from last.
Speaker 1: Year this is one hundred percent and improved pitcher and
Speaker 1: a guy who can probably avoid the multiple blow. Ups
Speaker 1: he'll have a, few but, ultimately when we look at
Speaker 1: the end of the, Year Randy VASQUEZ i think could
Speaker 1: lead All padres pitchers and f, war especially With Nick pavetta's,
Speaker 1: injury and that's going up Against Michael king and it's
Speaker 1: not going to be. Easy but this guy lives in
Speaker 1: the zone with six or seven different. Pitches they look pretty.
Speaker 1: Good he's able to get A k when he wants. To,
Speaker 1: yeah he's just. Solid he's just. Solid he's not the
Speaker 1: one eight eight era he is, now but he's not
Speaker 1: the four to one expected era he is. NOW i
Speaker 1: think he's just gonna live in the mid tie, threes
Speaker 1: and that's a really solid, pitcher and that's totally.
Speaker 4: Okay and he's someone That San diego needed Right Lucas
Speaker 4: julianto obviously he just signed a one year, deal but
Speaker 4: they still, need like really solid outings from a guy
Speaker 4: Like Randy, Vasquez and they still need good outings from
Speaker 4: A Walker bueller and A. Marquez like there's a lot
Speaker 4: going on In San diego that needs to go, right
Speaker 4: and a lot is going right on the hill and
Speaker 4: a large part of that Is Randy. Vasquez to this,
Speaker 4: point it has been, a i, think relative to, expectations
Speaker 4: disappointing starts the season For San. Francisco but we sat
Speaker 4: here this offseason and you, said on several, OCCASIONS i
Speaker 4: like Landin, roup And i'm, like why do you like
Speaker 4: land And. Roupe it's, LIKE i don't, know one hundred
Speaker 4: and seven innings of a three to EIGHT era last,
Speaker 4: Year land And roupe has been better at the outset
Speaker 4: of this. Year land And roupe through five starts is
Speaker 4: sporting a two point two EIGHT. Era he's four and
Speaker 4: one in terms of pitcher, record twenty seven and two,
Speaker 4: thirds inning six hits against, him one hundred and ten hitters.
Speaker 4: Faced he has yet to be taken deep thirty one
Speaker 4: punchouts to twelve, walks and the secondaries are performing the sinkers.
Speaker 4: Performing the sinker opponents are five for thirty three against
Speaker 4: with eight. K's the curveball opponents are six for thirty
Speaker 4: four without an extra base. Hit the changeup opponents are
Speaker 4: zero for seventeen against it with six. K's land And
Speaker 4: roope is doing a lot of good things right, now
Speaker 4: and there could be some underlying things that jump, out
Speaker 4: like he's not getting much. Chase the whiff is about
Speaker 4: average YadA, YadA. YadA at the end of the, day
Speaker 4: he keeping dudes off of everything that comes out of his.
Speaker 1: Hand so originally when Landin roupe came, UP i liked
Speaker 1: him BECAUSE i thought he could be undervalued in the.
Speaker 1: Market why he doesn't have electric. Stuff it's a ninety
Speaker 1: three min hour. Sinker he's got a couple of different,
Speaker 1: secondaries and when you watch, him it's not popping off the.
Speaker 1: Screen but every single TIME i would watch, him it
Speaker 1: was like we're in the fifth inning and he's given
Speaker 1: up one run and nobody's hit him hard all. Day
Speaker 1: just kept happening wasn't, crazy didn't show up on Pitching,
Speaker 1: ninja wasn't on a sports center top, ten wasn't on,
Speaker 1: anything but would just give The giants consistently good. Starts, like,
Speaker 1: hmm that's. Interesting and now this version of Landin roupe
Speaker 1: is not only doing that same. Thing, right we were
Speaker 1: talking About Dylan. Cees you said he hadn't gotten barreled all. Season,
Speaker 1: correct land And roupe is the, same and then encapsulates
Speaker 1: that start against The. Dodgers, right we're talking About Shoeo
Speaker 1: tani's six, inning five, hit SEVEN k. Performance giants won that. Game,
Speaker 1: right who Pitched Landed roupe against That dodgers'? Lineup SO
Speaker 1: I i think that he's just gonna keep doing, it
Speaker 1: AND i think he's really hard to square. Up he
Speaker 1: also has that effectively kind of wildness THAT us sees
Speaker 1: or some other or Like Jose sorreana might. Have his
Speaker 1: walk rate's at ten, percent his walk rate last year
Speaker 1: was at nine, percent but hitters have a tough time
Speaker 1: squaring him. Up and when he's striking out hitters at
Speaker 1: a twenty eight percent rate and his ground ball rate
Speaker 1: is at fifty two, PERCENT i don't care that he
Speaker 1: doesn't have electric. Stuff there are many different ways to
Speaker 1: get an out In Major League, baseball and this is
Speaker 1: a different way and it's. Working, yeah totally is.
Speaker 4: Working we've got two more guys that we got to
Speaker 4: go over, here and we've talked about these two guys
Speaker 4: recently on the.
Speaker 2: SHOW i think we talked about him last.
Speaker 4: Week But i'm gonna take us to The National League
Speaker 4: east here and a guy In Bryce elder that has
Speaker 4: been incredibly import for one of the best teams in.
Speaker 4: Baseball at the outset of this, Season Bryce elder threw
Speaker 4: five starts and thirty innings is at a one to five.
Speaker 4: Era elder last time out In washington six and two
Speaker 4: thirds three. Earned before, that five and two thirds scoreless
Speaker 4: against The, marlins But elder twenty nine k's to nine
Speaker 4: walks so, far opponents hitting a buck eighty seven against.
Speaker 4: Him and what's interesting is he's not doing it with
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of ground. Balls the ground bowl rates
Speaker 4: actually down about five six percent in a brief. Sample
Speaker 4: but what is up a little. Bit you see the
Speaker 4: chase rate is about league average right. Now chase right
Speaker 4: on the slider is. Up it seems like that slider is.
Speaker 4: Different AND i made this point last Week Jeremy hefner
Speaker 4: made his way From New york To. Atlanta Jeremy hefner
Speaker 4: is an objectively good pitching coach In Major League. Baseball
Speaker 4: Antoine richardson an objectively good base running coach that was
Speaker 4: also plucked out By atlanta after he was let go
Speaker 4: by The New York. Mets And Jeremy hefner man has
Speaker 4: tinkered With. Elder Maybe elder is, tinkered you, know this
Speaker 4: offseason with a third.
Speaker 2: Party but it just seems like.
Speaker 4: That slider is more legit. Now it's dropping a little
Speaker 4: bit more. Vertically he's getting some swings over the, top
Speaker 4: and it's been really. Impressive the marriage Between Jeremy, heffner
Speaker 4: The Atlanta braves And Bryce elder is a beneficiary of.
Speaker 1: IT i think it's a really good. Point and his stuff,
Speaker 1: OVERALL i think looks a little bit. Better But elder
Speaker 1: has Some Andrew abbott in. Him and WHAT i mean
Speaker 1: by that, is, yeah there might get, there, might you
Speaker 1: might get a couple runners, on but he does such
Speaker 1: a good job of making a pitch when he needs.
Speaker 1: One Like that's what WHEN i Watch elder in its
Speaker 1: bases loaded two, outs fastball gets ahead in the count
Speaker 1: and then just makes that pitch that results in a weak,
Speaker 1: Flyout like he's really really good at, that and he
Speaker 1: has been good at that kind of throughout his young.
Speaker 1: Career the reason why nobody wants to buy into him
Speaker 1: is because no stuff model likes, him no er underlying
Speaker 1: era predictor likes. Him and when you watch, him you're
Speaker 1: not watching a dominant. Pitcher you're not watching a guy
Speaker 1: who's maybe stuff isn't that, great but, wow it's on
Speaker 1: the ground at sixty, percent. Right you're not watching any of.
Speaker 1: That you're just watching a guy who has risen level
Speaker 1: by level by level and continue to excel in spurts
Speaker 1: In Major League baseball because he knows how to, pitch
Speaker 1: he knows his, arsenal he knows what to do when
Speaker 1: the game is on the. Line this is a really
Speaker 1: good option as a fifth starter in a rotation where
Speaker 1: you feel good About Bryce elder because, yes he might
Speaker 1: have his occasional blow up that will, happen but more
Speaker 1: often than people, think he's giving you a good start
Speaker 1: even if there's some, traffic because he knows what to
Speaker 1: do in those. Situations, yeah AND.
Speaker 4: I love that, point he makes a pitch when he
Speaker 4: needs to make a, pitch which is really really. Important
Speaker 4: and at the end of the, Day elder has been
Speaker 4: doing that for An Atlanta brave offense that has been
Speaker 4: top flight and again one of the best teams in.
Speaker 2: Baseball you got something else to add.
Speaker 1: Here AND i was just gonna, say, like that sounds easy, enough,
Speaker 1: Right how do not, all not all pitchers can do?
Speaker 1: That make a pitch in a. Spot how many times
Speaker 1: have you seen a pitcher on your team get the
Speaker 1: first two, outs then they walk a guy and then
Speaker 1: they throw a cookie fastball down the middle and it's
Speaker 1: ending up being a two run. Homer how many? TIMES
Speaker 1: i Know i've seen it on my favorite, team throw
Speaker 1: out pictures on my whole, life AND i know you've
Speaker 1: seen it. Too that's not what happens To Bryce. Elder
Speaker 1: he doesn't do. That he doesn't get himself into that.
Speaker 1: Trouble he might allow the first couple of guys to get,
Speaker 1: on but he makes the pitches when he needs. To sounds,
Speaker 1: Easy it. Ain't Bryce elder is one of the better
Speaker 1: pitchers of doing.
Speaker 2: THAT i dig.
Speaker 4: It last time we got to talk about, here showed To.
Speaker 4: Imanaga it's very very simple to, me to be totally
Speaker 4: honest with. You it seems like he's putting the fastball
Speaker 4: where he needs to again and the splitter is just
Speaker 4: getting More with Show To imanaga is up about a
Speaker 4: mile and a mile and a half an hour inter
Speaker 4: a fastball. Velocity last, year opponents hit two twenty seven against.
Speaker 4: It they slugged five to seventy against. It it was
Speaker 4: one of the most prolific home run pitches in. Baseball
Speaker 4: so far this, year opponents hitting a buck sixty three against.
Speaker 4: It they are seven for forty. Three they've only taken
Speaker 4: it deep twice to this point and the. Split last
Speaker 4: year opponents hit two twenty five against it thirty two
Speaker 4: percent whiff. Rate this, year opponent's hitting a buck seventy
Speaker 4: five against, it a forty two percent whiff rate through five.
Speaker 2: Starts he's got a two point one SEVEN.
Speaker 4: Era he's striking out a lot of dudes thirty two
Speaker 4: in twenty nine innings of, work and he's really not
Speaker 4: putting guys on. Base it's a whip under zero point
Speaker 4: eight at zero point seven to. Two this is the
Speaker 4: Show To. Inmanaga you feel comfortable paying twenty two million.
Speaker 4: DOLLARS i felt very uncomfortable when he signed the qualifying,
Speaker 4: offer but you know, what that's why we played the, games.
Speaker 1: Baby the reason we felt uncomfortable was showed At minaga
Speaker 1: was throwing eighty nine to ninety miles an hour with his,
Speaker 1: fastball and when he's doing, that it doesn't, work and
Speaker 1: he's giving up home runs like you wouldn't. Believe he
Speaker 1: looks like a pitching. Machine, yeah but when he's throwing
Speaker 1: ninety two to ninety three and he's landing the splitter
Speaker 1: in the, slider good. Luck and that's exactly what we're
Speaker 1: seeing When show does that. Peak he's one of the
Speaker 1: hardest pitchers to hit from the left. Side when he's,
Speaker 1: not he's one of the. Easiest and that goes to
Speaker 1: show not only you, know it's a testament to show
Speaker 1: to Iban aga getting that, back but how little you
Speaker 1: have to be off your game FOR mlb hitters to take.
Speaker 1: Advantage right we're not talking About show to throwing eighty
Speaker 1: nine to ninety and right now he's throwing ninety five ninety.
Speaker 1: Six even a couple of, ticks a couple of ticks
Speaker 1: could be the. Difference and that's exactly what we're seeing
Speaker 1: FROM showda because, again when you really have to think
Speaker 1: about that fastball up in the zone because it gets
Speaker 1: that induced vertical break that ride at the, top you
Speaker 1: aren't as ready for the slider and the. Splitter and
Speaker 1: then he gets even better when he's locating both of
Speaker 1: those two. Pitches like we've seen kind of a similar
Speaker 1: formula With Blake snell at times when he's locating that
Speaker 1: fastball up in the zone and his velocity is there
Speaker 1: and he's landing his, secondaries good fucking. Luck shoda is
Speaker 1: a sort of abbreviated. Version he just doesn't throw ninety,
Speaker 1: seven but the fastball shape is a little bit, better
Speaker 1: so it probably feels somewhat close to. That it's not
Speaker 1: that different of an arsenal kinda, is but their game
Speaker 1: plan to get hitters out is. Similar the thing Is
Speaker 1: Blake snell is normally maintaining that velocity longer And shoda
Speaker 1: when he has it in. SPURTS i just pray the
Speaker 1: spurt lasts because The cubs need this right, now and
Speaker 1: when he's, right The cubs have a borderline ace at
Speaker 1: the top of their.
Speaker 2: ROTATION i love. It that's our program right. Now peter
Speaker 2: watch your. Language according To, WALKER i, AGREE i.
Speaker 1: Get into his. ZONE i can't help.
Speaker 2: IT i need to do apologize thinking about.
Speaker 1: Heaters i'm thinking about good heaters can't Be SOMETIMES i
Speaker 1: even slur over my. Words SOMETIMES i forget What i'm
Speaker 1: saying because it's just bursting out of my head from
Speaker 1: Everything i've.
Speaker 4: WATCHED i understand we were gonna say see, a but
Speaker 4: peyton genis what you got real.
Speaker 5: QUICK i just wanted to give my own contribution to
Speaker 5: this list that you guys didn't.
Speaker 1: Mention what IF i told you.
Speaker 5: A former first round pick dropped his arm slot over
Speaker 5: the last two years in, half boosted his shrike out
Speaker 5: rate by ten, percent cut his walk right in, half
Speaker 5: and now is throwing a nasty sweeper that really didn't
Speaker 5: exist two years.
Speaker 1: Ago you're talking about the, man the, myth the, Legend
Speaker 1: Emerson hancock of The Seattle.
Speaker 5: MARINERS i am talking About Emerson hancock The Seattle. Mariners
Speaker 5: he is the lowest arm slot by a right handed
Speaker 5: starter in the game this year by six.
Speaker 2: Degrees that's a.
Speaker 1: Lot he's a right Right.
Speaker 5: Usually those like side army guys are, lefties you, know,
Speaker 5: sail but he's just slanging that. Thing from a low arm.
Speaker 5: Slot the sweeper is gross the. Fastball, historically he's a
Speaker 5: super super super u pronation bias, Guy like the fastball
Speaker 5: spin efficiency was like ninety nine percent just. Backspin you
Speaker 5: know what that, means just straight up. Backspin now it's
Speaker 5: a lower arm, slot it's helping him super in eight
Speaker 5: more because he used to not really be able to
Speaker 5: get good glove side.
Speaker 1: Movement on his pitches because of the.
Speaker 5: Pronation but now it's just the sweeper is so grossed
Speaker 5: from that, slot it's helping him sup and eate. More
Speaker 5: fastball is playing up a. Bit the purfials aren't the
Speaker 5: sexiest thing in the, world but the shrike out and
Speaker 5: walk numbers look great and THE era is below. Three
Speaker 5: so that was the GUY i wanted to shut.
Speaker 1: Out CAN i say something real? Quick so after his first,
Speaker 1: START i tweeted out The mariners sixth starter would be
Speaker 1: at the top of a lot of. Rotations people didn't like.
Speaker 1: That you're freaking? Out what do you? Mean it was one.
Speaker 1: START i don't need a. NUMBER i watched it with my.
Speaker 1: EYES i was, like that's gonna play that fastball with
Speaker 1: that sweeper if you command within the. Zone it's gonna
Speaker 1: play from that arm. Slot guys just can't pick it.
Speaker 1: Up and When i'm seeing, sweepers When i'm seeing lefties
Speaker 1: in the, box their knees. Buckle when he starts it
Speaker 1: in the other batter's, BOX i don't need a. NUMBER
Speaker 1: i see. It So i'm so glad that it's actually,
Speaker 1: happening that he is actually performing like a two or a,
Speaker 1: three which he would be in a lot of. Rotations
Speaker 1: we don't need to even. See AND i, said also right,
Speaker 1: now five years from, now who, knows BUT i know
Speaker 1: he was a top first round pick with really good
Speaker 1: arm talent that clearly made a. Switch and this version
Speaker 1: Of Emerson hancock like so much more rather than like
Speaker 1: that sinker kind of only slider. Guy and he's playing
Speaker 1: with the, corners no attack, hitters with that fastball up
Speaker 1: in the, zone drop that arm, angle and then just
Speaker 1: then just buckle guys with that sweeper and it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Work and it's working right.
Speaker 5: Now it's just he's such a different pitcher that the
Speaker 5: previous sample is almost.
Speaker 1: IRRELEVANT i don't care to your, POINT i told you
Speaker 1: that's all about out the wind. On i'm, like this
Speaker 1: is a different, guy.
Speaker 5: When you're ninety, nine spinefici see over the top pronator
Speaker 5: and now you're just whipping it from Like Ryan, Walker
Speaker 5: like it's.
Speaker 1: That's a different. Dude you're a different. Dude and MAYBE
Speaker 1: i felt LIKE i was overdoing it WHEN i was,
Speaker 1: like he's already he's a one. Start BUT i was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i know that's gonna, play and it's.
Speaker 4: Playing, no you know, what you you see things that
Speaker 4: the spreadsheets could never tell. You you might as well
Speaker 4: just throw a toothpick in and tell me about how
Speaker 4: baseball was twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago i'm sure it was freaking. Awesome it was.
Speaker 1: Awesome it was. AWESOME i THINK i think. ANYONE i
Speaker 1: don't think That i'm so much smarter than. ANYONE i
Speaker 1: think you could just see it.
Speaker 2: Now they don't make him like Ben sheets. Anymore you know,
Speaker 2: What i'll take.
Speaker 1: IT i AGREE i am smarter than everybody. Else that's
Speaker 1: a good point by, you not.
Speaker 4: Me YOU.
Speaker 2: I dig.
Speaker 1: It all.
Speaker 2: Right that's our.
Speaker 4: Program we're gonna talk about stock down guys. Tomorrow spoiler,
Speaker 4: Alert Garrett. Crochet we're gonna try and figure out what
Speaker 4: the heck is going. On another spoiler. ALERT a lot
Speaker 4: of people were really excited About Shane. By i'm going
Speaker 4: to try and figure out what the heck is going
Speaker 4: on with Boz, yeah that'll be The friday.
Speaker 1: Program What, Yeah lozardo as, Well reagan's that are no,
Speaker 1: good there's there's there's a lot of guys that we
Speaker 1: got to talk. About SO i like that we parceled
Speaker 1: this up into two episodes because the stock down, guys
Speaker 1: there's probably ten or fifteen that we could go. Through
Speaker 1: that's gonna take another. Hour might as well do that On,
Speaker 1: friday real? Quick, yeah, yeah real.
Speaker 4: Quick, peyton do you do you have This sophia minute
Speaker 4: tweet THAT i texted? You?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Really, okay you have.
Speaker 4: It, okay don't flash it, yet but you'll you'll figure
Speaker 4: out WHEN i want you to flash. It So Sophia
Speaker 4: minnert does a great job covering The brewers For BREWERS Tv.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: And she tweeted something out AND i was just, Thinking,
Speaker 4: OKAY i could be having a really bad, morning like
Speaker 4: you could have woken up this morning and, said you know,
Speaker 4: What i'm having a bad. Day today is going to
Speaker 4: be a bad. Day it might be a bad forty
Speaker 4: eight hour, stretch no matter how bad you may think
Speaker 4: your next forty eight hours Are it's not as bad
Speaker 4: as The Milwaukee. Brewers sophia And minnard tweeted out that
Speaker 4: The brewers are Facing trek schoobl In detroit On thursday
Speaker 4: And Paul skeens On friday In. Milwaukee it is the
Speaker 4: second time In Big league history that a team has
Speaker 4: faced Raining Cy Young award winners in consecutive ball. Games so,
Speaker 4: again your day could be, shit but you're not seeing
Speaker 4: schoobl today In skeiens tomorrow, perspective and it's that.
Speaker 1: Sucks brewers sucks right. Now it's two to One, schooble six,
Speaker 1: innings four, hits water and five. K's of course he
Speaker 1: is Like Brandon sprout is having a pretty good outing
Speaker 1: five innings to run. Ball but you got school good,
Speaker 1: luck and then you Got. Skeens is that In?
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh that's In?
Speaker 1: Milwaukee, okay at least that Like kaida much? Better, yeah sort.
Speaker 1: Of and they don't Have yelich Or chorio Or. Vaughn,
Speaker 1: yeah you're Facing skeens shorthanded after you Face, schooble and
Speaker 1: it's righty lefty. Too it's not like you can get
Speaker 1: it into a. Rhythm, no that.
Speaker 2: Sucks now that.
Speaker 4: Sucks so that's what we. Got every LinkedIn is in
Speaker 4: the episode. Description we will talk to you about stock
Speaker 4: down guys. Tomorrow For, peyton For, Peter I'm. Jack thank
Speaker 4: you so much for, watching And peter with that