Speaker 1: Scam, Come rub froll scam, come rub and frollam. Goddess?
Speaker 1: What was popa congregation? It's your girls.
Speaker 2: Lacy Mostly aka Scam got us back with another episode
Speaker 2: of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud and those
Speaker 2: who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: We might laugh at them, but we'll never laugh at
Speaker 2: the victims. So this is not your fault. Need congregation
Speaker 2: needs otter? What?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, stand up, stand up out of your pew,
Speaker 2: get up out of your seat while you're driving, y'all
Speaker 2: as long as you had a red light. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: USA Network's Playing House. I could literally read Lennon's bio
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Speaker 1: So you can also listen to wamp it Up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, that's why it was Saint Clair as
Speaker 2: a host and Marissa Wampler and par Am co hosting.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's so many places to listen to Lennon.
Speaker 2: There's so many places to watch on TV, whether she's
Speaker 2: in front of the screen or she's behind the camera.
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad to app her here today. Y'all
Speaker 2: please get up for Lennon. Lenna is good to see you.
Speaker 2: Bless it a sureau She Jesus is just Welcome to church.
Speaker 1: Welcome to church. Yes, we love a good hymnal of
Speaker 1: the start. So you joined the choir?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, yes, absolutely I am. I'll do any solo
Speaker 3: that you want me to do, happily, happily soprano alto
Speaker 3: whatever you need.
Speaker 1: I got. I love that.
Speaker 2: That's where we do our money movement ministry. You know,
Speaker 2: you got to really get people in the mood to give.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Yes, not enough that your dad
Speaker 3: is like asking if passing passing the trade.
Speaker 1: Absolutely off. Don't worry where is going Okay, just going it.
Speaker 1: Just know it's flowing.
Speaker 2: Okay, We're getting to somebody, somebody in need of our
Speaker 2: money is getting you.
Speaker 3: Owe it to them for all they've done for you.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So I usually ask on this podcast, but I have
Speaker 2: been switching it up so when I don't ask you
Speaker 2: if you have any relationship with scams, and then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna share a little listener letter that we've gotten. As always,
Speaker 2: you can send in your letters. Each snitch here goes
Speaker 2: snitch on your friend's family and your enemies. And scam
Speaker 2: got his post gmail dot com. We may just read
Speaker 2: them a lot on the show. I know it's been
Speaker 2: a minute. As I told you, I was bringing it back.
Speaker 2: But first, Lennon and I want to know about you.
Speaker 2: Did you Is there that Rennie scams pop? And when
Speaker 2: we were younger or even as an adult now, it
Speaker 2: could be anything.
Speaker 3: Well, I grow up, yeah, I mean growing up in
Speaker 3: the South, I think there was always an adult trying
Speaker 3: to pull one over on a child. Oh no, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, just like there was like an
Speaker 3: adult authority thing. And I very my mom taught me
Speaker 3: to like that I was equal to those adults. So
Speaker 3: that did not go well really early on. But the thing,
Speaker 3: the one that pops out in my mind is okay.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if this is like a thing
Speaker 3: that happens out in the world or if it just
Speaker 3: was a one time thing. But when my husband and
Speaker 3: I first moved to La we had a we rented
Speaker 3: a place like it was a it was like a
Speaker 3: duplex sort of in the well.
Speaker 1: They took one of those big houses and kind of
Speaker 1: cut it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were on the bottom. No, we were
Speaker 3: on the top and our landlady landlord was on the bottom.
Speaker 3: But it was it was like in this remote part
Speaker 3: of Echo Park where it's a walking trail. So you
Speaker 3: park on the street and then you go upstairs and
Speaker 3: then you have to walk down a brick path past
Speaker 3: three other.
Speaker 1: Like dateline like sold houses.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means, but yes.
Speaker 2: Like I mean like like the type of house you
Speaker 2: would see on dateline. You know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 2: went on it's featured on dateline, because what do you
Speaker 2: mean house in a wooden path area and leave the
Speaker 2: lip path area to gets you.
Speaker 3: Passed by like a little cabin, and there were there
Speaker 3: were trails that led to the backyards of other houses,
Speaker 3: but our house was the last house, and uh.
Speaker 1: Okay, it also sounds like a horror movie title, the
Speaker 1: last house.
Speaker 3: And there was like a stone archway that had been
Speaker 3: built that said like eighteen seventy nine or something on
Speaker 3: the front of it. And our land lady had locked
Speaker 3: herself out and she called a locksmith and they came
Speaker 3: and let her in. And about two days later I
Speaker 3: came home and the front door was unlocked and we
Speaker 3: had been broken into. And I looked around.
Speaker 2: Like a Brinks type things, glasses breaking or like.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. Yes, there was broken glass, but
Speaker 3: I think that they were trying to stage it to
Speaker 3: look like it was a robbery when really it was
Speaker 3: the locksmith. Wow, because when I did my like and
Speaker 3: I was watching The Closer a lot, like here's Edgewick's
Speaker 3: The Closer.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you were locked at.
Speaker 3: This and so when I walked in, I knew something
Speaker 3: was off. And then I walked into I think, our
Speaker 3: our guest room, where are like Josh and iMac should
Speaker 3: have been, and it was gone. And then I went
Speaker 3: in to see they had taken my grandmother's jewelry, which
Speaker 3: was like random. And then I tried to figure out
Speaker 3: how did they get in because they went out the
Speaker 3: front door, I think, and there was a footprint on
Speaker 3: top of the washing machine, like on a towel that
Speaker 3: was on top. But the footprint, had they broken in
Speaker 3: from the outside, would be facing in away from the window.
Speaker 2: C S, I ha got shut on you can, you said,
Speaker 2: scoot over ice to you. Let me get my white
Speaker 2: gloves out. Let's start looking around.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was facing out, and the broken glass that
Speaker 3: would have been on the inside if they had broken
Speaker 3: that window to get in, was outside of the window
Speaker 3: on the on the dirt path. So I know somebody
Speaker 3: let themselves in with the lock in that room and
Speaker 3: then staged it to look like they broke in from
Speaker 3: the outside, but not thinking like, oh right, all of
Speaker 3: that glass and those dirt prints should be the other direction.
Speaker 1: Right if you're breaking in? Oh yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 2: This is like, okay, if you're a locksmith and you
Speaker 2: don't wanted to get pointed back to you, why not
Speaker 2: just break in like a normal robber? Like why did
Speaker 2: you add the locksmith element to it all? It was unnecessary, dude,
Speaker 2: Like that's hat on the hat. They didn't they won't
Speaker 2: know it was me if I used my blacksmith tool. Kid,
Speaker 2: But then I mean it looked like a robbery. Just
Speaker 2: make it look like a robbery.
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't break into our landlord's apartment. They only
Speaker 3: broke into ours, so like they had they had let
Speaker 3: her back into that apartment, I think, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: we won't break into that one because they'll know it's us,
Speaker 3: but we'll break into the one above it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the logic here wasn't great for my locksmith guys,
Speaker 2: Like I kind of wish they would have just stuck
Speaker 2: the unlocking doors for people legally, because the second they
Speaker 2: tried to like really great themselves.
Speaker 3: Yes I can stage it. Yeah yeah, they they never
Speaker 3: got caught though, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I usually tell people with impostor syndrome to just keep trying,
Speaker 2: but sometimes you shoot above your your your belt level,
Speaker 2: and this feels like they weren't skilled enough to go
Speaker 2: to the next level of breaking into people's homes.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, well this.
Speaker 2: Is a short little scam letter, so we'll get to
Speaker 2: it before we get to our historic HOODWIEK today so
Speaker 2: I need a fake name for this person. Lennon, we
Speaker 2: don't care about gender on this show, and as always,
Speaker 2: snitched on your friend's family, yourself, your enemies, and scam
Speaker 2: guyspot at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Okay, the name is uh Talise.
Speaker 1: Ooh Toalise, where did that come from? That loaded? You
Speaker 1: know what's Leise worm?
Speaker 2: I don't, so Talise says, Hey, I just found your
Speaker 2: podcast and I'm obsessed with Thank you. Toalise, I'm read
Speaker 2: this letter is from a little while ago. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say how long because you're not gonna know how
Speaker 2: triple and I am. But Touise, I hope that you
Speaker 2: re really hung on.
Speaker 1: Social media after this episode comes out.
Speaker 3: Get on Blue Sky or wherever we're supposed to be
Speaker 3: these days, Like my god.
Speaker 1: To Lise, tell me still, let me please, you're still there.
Speaker 1: I need to know. Okay, we're gonna be looking for
Speaker 1: you to lose.
Speaker 2: So Tllise says that I've been thinking about if I
Speaker 2: had a story, and I couldn't think of anything. So
Speaker 2: I remember the story of how my dad was involved
Speaker 2: in a scam when I was a kid, but in
Speaker 2: a pretty unusual way. So there was a local business
Speaker 2: in my area when I was growing up that happened
Speaker 2: to have a phone number that was one digit from
Speaker 2: my dad's cell phone number. At some point, some scammers
Speaker 2: created another business and quotes that basically replicated the legit one,
Speaker 2: but just never followed through on their products. The fake
Speaker 2: business had a website with fake addresses and the fake number,
Speaker 2: which which was just like one digit off of the
Speaker 2: other business. This information or like one letter off of
Speaker 2: the street name, like all of this was just like
Speaker 2: almost identical. And so for years, to lisays, my dad
Speaker 2: would get calls from angry customers about how he stole
Speaker 2: their money and didn't deliver.
Speaker 1: He was really confused about it for a while because
Speaker 1: he had no other ties to the business and people
Speaker 1: weren't exploiting what was going on because they thought he
Speaker 1: was playing dumb.
Speaker 2: So, basically, to Lisa's father allowed a scam to go
Speaker 2: on forever. What do you mean for years you never
Speaker 2: thought to go to the business father and tell them, hey, did.
Speaker 3: He not know that his number was one off? I
Speaker 3: think because once you get the call multiple times, you
Speaker 3: gotta be right. And this is before call blocking and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. You would just get a yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I'm not a phone number nowhere. You know,
Speaker 1: that's not my thing.
Speaker 3: So how would he have found out about this other business?
Speaker 2: I feel like there are a certain point you have to
Speaker 2: be like, what services am I offering? What's the name
Speaker 2: of my business? But to be this unbothered I kind
Speaker 2: of love your dad to lose that much that he
Speaker 2: just kept getting angry phone calls and was like I
Speaker 2: don't get it, and then just going about his day
Speaker 2: and answering.
Speaker 3: It and like kind of taking it and being like
Speaker 3: I hear you, I hear you. I have no idea
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. A lot of people keep calling me.
Speaker 3: It's not me. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I hope it made him feel like very important in love,
Speaker 2: Like my phone's always bringing up the hooks, people always
Speaker 2: calling me.
Speaker 3: Who I gotta let them.
Speaker 2: Know when they call. They always have so much passion. Look,
Speaker 2: there's never a boring.
Speaker 3: Collar services like what worth services that he that these
Speaker 3: other people have supposedly offered, and who was paid from
Speaker 3: a random place for that?
Speaker 2: And there was a brick and mortar store in their neighborhood.
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing that's why when people called and didn't
Speaker 2: get the services, they were also confused because they were like,
Speaker 2: we know you have a physical business here, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the services are. That was never said. So
Speaker 2: list does not tell us what the leads.
Speaker 3: We need more info.
Speaker 2: You need to tell us what the b business was,
Speaker 2: the legit one and the fake one, because what are
Speaker 2: these services with the service is supposed to come to me?
Speaker 2: It says that he was stealing their money, or he
Speaker 2: didn't deliver. Was he physically delivering or delivering physically.
Speaker 3: But like I said, like a pizza place and they
Speaker 3: ordered and they what they give their credit card over
Speaker 3: and some some rando is running it, like are they
Speaker 3: sending a check.
Speaker 1: Out there?
Speaker 2: These are questions that need answers because as simple as
Speaker 2: the story as this was, I'm trying to make out
Speaker 2: if your dad's not really a part of the scammer
Speaker 2: of viz because right now, to Lise, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2: We don't know what the products or the services were.
Speaker 2: We don't know what if he was a part of
Speaker 2: the scam of it all, and those calls just came
Speaker 2: because what those calls us, I don't know, Tom h
Speaker 2: We need more info, Yeah, Lennon, I'm on your side.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's too much left out here for
Speaker 2: me to know who's the scammer and who was just
Speaker 2: accidentally involved in a scam. Scam God, since we don't
Speaker 2: know who's who, that brings us into my favorite segment
Speaker 2: of this show, and what a lovely said segue, historic hoodwinks.
Speaker 2: This is where I were with Kaye Lennon with the
Speaker 2: famous Concave group of criminals will get opinion all throughout.
Speaker 2: Maybe we like them, maybe we hate them, maybe we
Speaker 2: can't figure out who they are.
Speaker 1: So for thirty.
Speaker 2: Years, Matthew David Kieran's assumed the identity of another man
Speaker 2: so convincingly that his victim was forcibly medicated and jailed
Speaker 2: for identity theft himself.
Speaker 1: So this is Matthew. He's our scammer. He has a
Speaker 1: face that a mother.
Speaker 3: Still honor at THEOL. Have questions about his neck, to
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, questions like where did it go? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it coming back?
Speaker 3: It's straight down from this from the top of it.
Speaker 3: Ray working his neck out. He does look like parts
Speaker 3: of him worked out.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is kind of giving Lego Bill though he
Speaker 2: was like he had shoulders and they were like in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 3: And then pop it off, pop it off.
Speaker 2: Or maybe or maybe you're right, and maybe he was
Speaker 2: doing those neck ups, you know when they put the
Speaker 2: big heavyweights on the back of the neck and they
Speaker 2: do the neck ups.
Speaker 1: So Matthew here, he's our scammers.
Speaker 2: And his victim was William Woods, who is now fifty five.
Speaker 1: He's been down on his luck for a long time.
Speaker 1: This is William. He looks like what life let's put
Speaker 1: him through?
Speaker 2: He looks like like he could have been on cast Away,
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 3: He does Trapped on an Island. Is this a real
Speaker 3: picture of this real man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I don't want to make fun of like because
Speaker 2: he's the victim. So I'm not trying to make fun
Speaker 2: of him in a way that I'm like coming for
Speaker 2: his looks.
Speaker 1: I'm coming for.
Speaker 2: Him the way his experience looks like like this man
Speaker 2: looks like he's been.
Speaker 3: Kenny Rogers down here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he looked like he definitely sent like a
Speaker 2: message at a bottle before, like but really waited on
Speaker 2: his return, like maybe he's even received.
Speaker 3: Some So what happened was the gentleman the aforementioned neck
Speaker 3: stole his identity and then did so many nasty things.
Speaker 2: Yet they were fun together. Oh, they were certain point together.
Speaker 2: He was working like odd jobs in New Mexico in
Speaker 2: the eighties, then as a day laborer in El Paso, Texas,
Speaker 2: and then at a laundry matt in Las Vegas. Eventually
Speaker 2: he moved to southern California. This is William would the victim.
Speaker 2: William says that he stayed in hotels and motels and
Speaker 2: lived on the streets and sold gemstones, gold scraps, and
Speaker 2: other items he found on the streets of downtown, LA's
Speaker 2: Jewelry district. In twenty fifteen, a YouTuber known as Fauci
Speaker 2: Tube found William living on the street and created a
Speaker 2: series of videos with more than one million views each
Speaker 2: documenting Bossy Tube giving William food and paying for him
Speaker 2: to stay in a hotel.
Speaker 1: So this is.
Speaker 2: Yusuf and he has a YouTube channel where he goes
Speaker 2: outside to visit an housed people and make videos of them,
Speaker 2: which is the thing that people do now for money.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Because on one handle
Speaker 1: them like they are helping, But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: I'm like, do we have to be on YouTube?
Speaker 2: But also the money you're making from YouTube. Is that
Speaker 2: helping you help more people?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's questionable for sure. I mean, I guess it depends
Speaker 3: on the type. I mean, I feel like the the
Speaker 3: lasting help is better, not the one time handout right,
Speaker 3: the organizations that are there doing the work and knowing
Speaker 3: that know the population and are able to actually help
Speaker 3: on a consistent basis and help to support, you know,
Speaker 3: folks in the way that they want to be helped.
Speaker 2: I love that, And I love what you said at
Speaker 2: the end about in the way that they want to
Speaker 2: be helped and not just being like.
Speaker 1: This is what we think you deserve.
Speaker 2: And also we got a camera in your face you
Speaker 2: do and I'm like, that is gross to me. But
Speaker 2: seeing people help and knowing where to donate things like that,
Speaker 2: if you can't physically be out there, You're right then
Speaker 2: there's like two sides of this. I absolutely agree.
Speaker 3: So he's getting him housed for the night, but he's
Speaker 3: gonna pay for.
Speaker 1: It, mm hmm. Okay, And side notes this mister Fossey gentleman.
Speaker 2: He also was in the movie Boo madea Halloween, So.
Speaker 3: So I mean he's multifastted. We got a lot of
Speaker 3: men with many different versions of personalities.
Speaker 1: Like that's how they got along. It's like I don't have.
Speaker 2: The different things too. I make these YouTube videos on
Speaker 2: the street, I work with media.
Speaker 3: I see myself and you. We have all different parts.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's serial entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2: So William would use the money that Fauci gave him
Speaker 2: to pay for credit monitoring service and learned that someone
Speaker 2: was racking up debt and opening accounts under his name.
Speaker 1: So he was telling people like, something's up.
Speaker 2: I know these accounts, these cars, like I didn't have
Speaker 2: access to my money and now this fousi man slash
Speaker 2: media star.
Speaker 1: Has helped me.
Speaker 2: So an assistant manager at the bank, and this is
Speaker 2: in August of twenty nineteen. William went to this bank
Speaker 2: in la and at this branch told the assistant manager
Speaker 2: that he discovered someone was using his credit card and
Speaker 2: accumulated a large amount of debt. He wanted the account
Speaker 2: numbers with his name on them so he could closed
Speaker 2: them out.
Speaker 1: Normal thing for someone to want to do.
Speaker 2: He gave the assistant manager his Social Security card and
Speaker 2: his California ID. There were bank accounts in his name
Speaker 2: with lots of money in them. But William couldn't answer
Speaker 2: the security questions. The assistant manager called the phone number
Speaker 2: on the bank accounts and the person on the line
Speaker 2: did answer the questions correctly. The bank employee called the
Speaker 2: police on the real guide, so they laped. Officers arrived.
Speaker 2: They didn't believe someone had used William's social Security number.
Speaker 1: They didn't believe it was his card.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the bank the accounts are full of money,
Speaker 3: so they weren't full of debts.
Speaker 1: So he was taking out loans and taking.
Speaker 2: Out debt, this fake William. Oh, that's how he had
Speaker 2: money coming in because he was using it for crime.
Speaker 2: He was doing all types of things. He's doing this
Speaker 2: all under this poor William's name, right, And.
Speaker 3: The police did not believe him when he went to
Speaker 3: say because he couldn't answer for the security question. But
Speaker 3: how would he answer it if he had not opened
Speaker 3: the account in the beginning.
Speaker 2: I also don't think that was the only reason the
Speaker 2: security guards didn't help him. I feel like he didn't
Speaker 2: know how to use his whiteness in this moment, Like
Speaker 2: you can't come in here looking like castaway babes. You
Speaker 2: should have went the CBS first, got yourself a little shape,
Speaker 2: but you put your little push your little colone one,
Speaker 2: get really in your monarchy bag, like you, Kay's.
Speaker 3: Got something happened and there's some kind of self doubt
Speaker 3: that is this hiding. It's like Samson and Delilah situation,
Speaker 3: Like he does not want to cut he needs to
Speaker 3: always have some kind of a Yeah.
Speaker 2: He went into the bank looking like he just finished
Speaker 2: a convo with Wilson. So I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 2: the bank is going to believe you over the sky
Speaker 2: on the phone. Who can answer all the security questions
Speaker 2: which was fucked up to see, But here we are.
Speaker 3: So Neck is answering these questions far away and saying.
Speaker 1: That is the real guy. I'm the real I'm the real.
Speaker 3: But with he also like wiggling and his boots because
Speaker 3: now the real guy's onto him.
Speaker 1: Now Neck has been doing this for a while.
Speaker 2: So y yeah, So I'm not sure at this point
Speaker 2: if like I feel like Necks would come up with
Speaker 2: so much confidence just on the basic way that he moved. Ye,
Speaker 2: you're out stealing he is. I think he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: mister officer. Like I think he's like, you know, he watching.
Speaker 3: His white says use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's using it. Right, and the other guy's using
Speaker 1: it wrong.
Speaker 2: He's palling up with the officers, like I didn't see
Speaker 2: on the greens this weekend?
Speaker 1: What weight do you use?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And williams over You're like, please please give me my
Speaker 1: identity here, and they're like, get crazy, get out of here. Crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, that's also you know, ones in person and ones
Speaker 3: on the phone. So it's also like someone that needs
Speaker 3: to go into a physical branch to do their banking,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Right, But this was also
Speaker 3: in the before times when Chase still existed in person.
Speaker 2: That is also listen, then you're right, like people not
Speaker 2: taking cash anymore like they used to, or if you
Speaker 2: physically go into a bank to deposit a check, they're
Speaker 2: like what are you going through? Like why are you
Speaker 2: paying something? In person? Like yeah, you literally feel like
Speaker 2: you're on good times. Yeah, absolutely understand. So when you know,
Speaker 2: the lapd arrived, obviously they did not believe poor William.
Speaker 2: They talked to the real account holder, mister Thickneck, on
Speaker 2: the phone, who facts them a copy of another social
Speaker 2: Security card, a Wisconsin driver's license, and a Kentucky birth certificate.
Speaker 1: The cops arrested poor William.
Speaker 4: He spent two years locked up awaiting trial, Yeah, including
Speaker 4: more than one hundred days in a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 1: No bab because he was losing his mind because the
Speaker 1: whole world was telling him that he's well. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Eventually, he pleaded no contest to identity and false impersonation
Speaker 2: in exchange for time served sentence and immediate release from custody.
Speaker 2: So he just said he was guilty so he could
Speaker 2: get out of jail.
Speaker 3: Without where's Fausi through all this? Is he filming Medea
Speaker 3: in Atlanta? Like why isn't he's stepping up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Fauci had to go film uh Madia's last wish.
Speaker 2: Media goes to Hamaka or something because he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be helping.
Speaker 1: You're right, where did he go? Soh my god? Oh man?
Speaker 1: This is wait? Is this is this?
Speaker 3: What is this picture?
Speaker 1: So now we're seeing this is a stick neck?
Speaker 3: Okay, so he got he gets married in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 3: but he still used the other guy's name. This is like,
Speaker 3: h this is a sleeping with the enemy.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like unrelenting, like he's a.
Speaker 3: White female like.
Speaker 1: Rab and run.
Speaker 2: So finally, I'm just happy that he got out of jail.
Speaker 2: But this is going to ruin his life obviously. But
Speaker 2: he was the real William Wood, we know that, right,
Speaker 2: And this con began thirty years earlier at a hot
Speaker 2: dog cart in Albuquerque. William the victim, had been working
Speaker 2: at that hot dog cart for years when Matthew, who
Speaker 2: was our thick Neck, was hired in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: The two guys didn't interact until William's wallet went missing.
Speaker 2: Matthew admitted to stealing the wallet and gave it back
Speaker 2: William's security card steal inside. So Matthew was like, my
Speaker 2: bad man, I did steal your wallet because you know
Speaker 2: it was it was left round for stealing, but here
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: You can have it back.
Speaker 2: But it didn't matter if you physically had the wallet
Speaker 2: because obviously he's already copied the contents, right, A poor
Speaker 2: little poor a little matthor.
Speaker 3: Sorry, a hot dog cart, I mean.
Speaker 2: Because remember like at the time William was working all
Speaker 2: those jobs. This is before he met Fausi between Fausti's
Speaker 2: media job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was back in his New Mexico days, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also like calling Matthew thick neck because Matthew and
Speaker 2: Williams sound like the same name to me.
Speaker 1: It's the same name in a different font, and it's
Speaker 1: confusing me.
Speaker 2: Our forefathers definitely, So thick Neck is the evil guy. Guys,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say Matthew, and he was just like
Speaker 2: every Matthew's a scam.
Speaker 1: This could be anybody if I keep saying his name.
Speaker 2: So thick Neck stopped using his own name, birthday, or
Speaker 2: social Security number and only used William's name and info
Speaker 2: for employment, insurance, driver's licenses, titles, loans, and credit. He
Speaker 2: even paid taxes under his former coworker's name.
Speaker 3: That sounds like psychosis ray.
Speaker 2: So he took this man's identity for so long that
Speaker 2: the man couldn't prove that it was his to get
Speaker 2: it back. Because this man has now established so many
Speaker 2: different lines of credit. He's even like paying tax isn't
Speaker 2: doing like the legal things under this poor man's name.
Speaker 1: Thick Neck was busy, huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like the choice to steal this guy's identity,
Speaker 3: Like how down on your luck do you have to be?
Speaker 3: Like his life must be better than mine. He's got
Speaker 3: this steady job at the hot dog cart, you know, right,
Speaker 3: like I would.
Speaker 1: They had recent credit.
Speaker 3: Steal some investment banker or something's identity, like.
Speaker 5: Because I feel like that person we would find out faster,
Speaker 5: like investment maker is more likely to be opening lines
Speaker 5: of credit than somebody who seems to be like kind
Speaker 5: of like in and out of being housed and seems
Speaker 5: to like probably not have a bank account, like like
Speaker 5: he wasn't calling the bank when he went to the bank, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Versus if this is like a wall stee Chad, he's
Speaker 2: probably paying a little bit more attentions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, make the ins and outs and the ups and
Speaker 3: downs of the market.
Speaker 2: One thing I say, I will say I do respect
Speaker 2: about this is Thicknick did keep his scam going.
Speaker 1: Thick Neck didn't try to get greedy.
Speaker 2: He trying to go above and beyond.
Speaker 3: He named his child. He named his child the wood
Speaker 3: Lake with Woods is the last name.
Speaker 2: Naming your kid with the last name though, it is
Speaker 2: so funny, so she looks. So he just stayed with
Speaker 2: the bit. He stayed with the bit. He gave him
Speaker 2: the last names. I mean, we gotta give him the
Speaker 2: commitment to the bit. In the nineties, he got a
Speaker 2: Colorado ideas William Woods, then a job at a fast
Speaker 2: food restaurant. He must have been doing something at these
Speaker 2: jobs he was getting fired from because he kept needing
Speaker 2: to have Matthew's identity and a new idea.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was Yeah, maybe he was looking for other
Speaker 3: people's identities to steal.
Speaker 2: So Thickneck got married in ninety four, again using those
Speaker 2: names that he stole, and for some weird reason, in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, thick Neck requested and received a certificate like
Speaker 2: a copy of William's birth certificate from Kentucky using information
Speaker 2: from ancestry dot com.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh my god, this is so upsetting.
Speaker 2: Also, like see this is why don't use that session
Speaker 2: dot com because it's like it'll pull your DNA for
Speaker 2: your cousins.
Speaker 3: You can't take it because I do it. I do it,
Speaker 3: And you can set it to private. You're not sharing
Speaker 3: with other people.
Speaker 2: But if they're interest them when they say private, because
Speaker 2: they're always like, hey girl, sorry about your privacy again,
Speaker 2: it's us, we gave it.
Speaker 1: Well, that is true.
Speaker 3: I have like a whole file folder for for data,
Speaker 3: data loss or whatever it's.
Speaker 2: Called, right, because I saw every other day they're like,
Speaker 2: hey girl, yeah we gave away your data. Yeah you
Speaker 2: don't want it, did you?
Speaker 1: Did we want.
Speaker 3: Here's a complimentary identity theft software that will be so
Speaker 3: difficult to set.
Speaker 2: Up, just a hans up, change all your passwords. It
Speaker 2: was just a hans up.
Speaker 3: Though you don't get your Social Security number. Don't worry, though.
Speaker 2: Somebody is being you right now. But if you heard,
Speaker 2: you can catch thic nic before they get too far.
Speaker 3: Okay, but just okay. Thick Neck gets married to someone
Speaker 3: you someone else's name and saying security, does that still count? Like,
Speaker 3: is he still legally married and entitled to all this
Speaker 3: stuff that he sets up in someone else's name?
Speaker 2: Well, you would think that the person whose real name
Speaker 2: is married would be the one entitled to any damn
Speaker 2: or like any finances there because on paper, thick Neck
Speaker 2: is not married to this woman, right, not a real
Speaker 2: time mister Woods is. So so how did it all?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The couple a child in Oregon who also got the
Speaker 2: Woods last name, like we talked about. Thick Neck later
Speaker 2: got a job as a system's architect at the University
Speaker 2: of Iowa's hospitals and clinics under again William's name, because
Speaker 2: that's what he does now and.
Speaker 1: Think Neck worked remotely from home.
Speaker 2: And Wisconsin was paid at least seven hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: by the hospital over a ten year period. Between twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty twenty two, he took out vehicle at
Speaker 2: personal loans in William's name from more than two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. He was living the middle last dream with
Speaker 2: somebody else's name. So finally, our poor victim here, mister Woods.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, he's tired of a thick next shit, He's
Speaker 2: got to do something right. So the district's attorney's office
Speaker 2: charged the real William with two felonies. Again, not fake William,
Speaker 2: this is again, And so for two months William is again.
Speaker 1: Real William is back in jail.
Speaker 2: But he got a new lawyer this time, and he
Speaker 2: said he wanted an investigator, but the things he said
Speaker 2: didn't seem to make sense. In February twenty twenty, the
Speaker 2: judge found that William was not mentally competent to stand
Speaker 2: trial and ordered him into a psychiatric hospital. So things
Speaker 2: got worse for mister Woods. He was like, I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. They're like, we're going
Speaker 2: to put you in a psychiatric hospital. Eight months later,
Speaker 2: after delays and do bedspace and COVID our. Poor William
Speaker 2: was taken to the Patent State Hospital at San Bernardino.
Speaker 1: He was convicted in March twenty twenty one. He played
Speaker 1: no content.
Speaker 3: They kid, this is a real downer for the real.
Speaker 1: Downer I know.
Speaker 2: And then oh the one hundred and forty seven days he
Speaker 2: had to spend in the hospital. So unfortunately, after all
Speaker 2: of this, he was ordered to stop using the name
Speaker 2: William Woods, who was the guy, not thick Neck, not
Speaker 2: thick Nick.
Speaker 3: He was told he was ordered by the law to
Speaker 3: stop using his own name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, yeah, I'm gonna let that.
Speaker 3: Set for a second, because.
Speaker 2: Like, poor poor William, he like when it was all
Speaker 2: said and they were like, sorry, my bad, but also
Speaker 2: don't use that name.
Speaker 1: No one.
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me there, tell me, tell me thick Neck
Speaker 3: gets put away, tell me thick Neck gets caught.
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty one, real William, okay, please stand up,
Speaker 2: contact the police department in Wisconsin and reported that thick
Speaker 2: Neck has stolen his identity. That same month, thick Neck
Speaker 2: goes to the police and says, I'm found acclaim to
Speaker 2: you stole my identity. So now they're doing the spider
Speaker 2: man meme at each other like who stole the identity? Me?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: And thick Neck knows he stole the identity but now
Speaker 2: you know, but he's.
Speaker 3: Been living in I mean, who really needs to be
Speaker 3: in a mental hospital, Like he's been living this with
Speaker 3: this other man's identity for this long he believes it.
Speaker 2: Now right, Yeah, why shouldney? The whole world is validated
Speaker 2: it and put this the real William you know, in
Speaker 2: a psycholop psychiatric center. So William stay with me here,
Speaker 2: good lord, hey when this happens. William then filed customer
Speaker 2: disputes and an attempt to clear his credit report. Matthew
Speaker 2: filed a second identity theft complaint with local police and
Speaker 2: admitted this.
Speaker 1: So this is fake William.
Speaker 2: Matthew was like, I'm going to follow another complaint against
Speaker 2: real William because real William keeps trying to file complaints
Speaker 2: against me.
Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty three, this is where we learn.
Speaker 2: That thick Neck we know where thick Neck works, okay,
Speaker 2: and William finds out and William's on that ass. So
Speaker 2: Williams has Detective Ian Mallory collect DNA from the hospital
Speaker 2: that thick Neck's biological father who was listed on his
Speaker 2: real birth certificate, proving that thick Neck was his own
Speaker 2: father's son. Stay with me here, So basically, real William
Speaker 2: figures out where thick Neck works. It's a sample of
Speaker 2: thick necks. DNA secretly secretly has Detective Ian on the case,
Speaker 2: and now we know that there's no way that thick
Speaker 2: Neck could be William.
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for William.
Speaker 2: He had to do us on police for a kid
Speaker 2: to pay his own investigators.
Speaker 3: And this while in and out of a mental hospital.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is how serial killers are created. You
Speaker 3: want to know the beginning of like a horror film
Speaker 3: down there at the at the last house on the
Speaker 3: end of the brick path. This is it, because he
Speaker 3: comes out of that mental hospital with nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: And I think you're right about him, because eventually thick
Speaker 2: Neck does plead guilty in federal court. So Detective Ian
Speaker 2: Mallory goes as far to meet thick Neck and he
Speaker 2: tells thick Neck. He's like, hey, there's this other guy, William.
Speaker 2: He says he's the real you. And thick Neck's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that guy is crazy. He should be locked up, and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah and then the conversation, Mallory asks thick
Speaker 2: Neck for his father's name, and thick Neck accidentally said
Speaker 2: his real daddy name the first time, and that's how
Speaker 2: he gets caught. Accidental real daddy release.
Speaker 1: Wow. So then he planned guilty.
Speaker 2: In federal court think Ne in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: in a letter written to the court on thick Neck's behalf,
Speaker 2: his son identified him as the son of Matthew Kieran's
Speaker 2: formerly known as William Woods in either case known to
Speaker 2: me as Dad, and Matthews was still sentenced to twelve
Speaker 2: years in prison. So love that your son was trying
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, uh no, even though he.
Speaker 1: Was never mister Woods, he was always mister Woods.
Speaker 2: He was Daddy Woods to me, sir, your dad is
Speaker 2: weird and you should not be defending him.
Speaker 3: That is a line from a MAdM movie for sure.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where they got it from.
Speaker 2: It's like that was Daddy Woods to them, because you know,
Speaker 2: thick Neck also said my life is over and everything
Speaker 2: is gone. It's like, sir, your life should be over
Speaker 2: because that's what you did to this poor man, mister Woods.
Speaker 2: You took his life away, his sanity as health is
Speaker 2: home like, what do you mean we should what was
Speaker 2: you get your.
Speaker 1: Thick ass neck behind them bars?
Speaker 2: At least we know you can't show me out because
Speaker 2: we know you're not getting that neck due to bars.
Speaker 3: Nope, getting stuck like one of those children toys. Oh gosh,
Speaker 3: those plastic ones that are up and down straight.
Speaker 2: Oh well, what brings us to the end of what
Speaker 2: was a strange episode. But I'm so happy to have
Speaker 2: you here though, making it fun as light for me.
Speaker 1: We always had something this podcast. What would you like
Speaker 1: to be found?
Speaker 2: Where you want people to hear your show, see your work,
Speaker 2: whatever that is.
Speaker 3: You can follow me on Instagram at Lennon Parum and
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can find us a scam, got a pot
Speaker 2: if you want to see this man's sick ass next
Speaker 2: it is so thick. I encourage you mourn for that alone.
Speaker 3: Look at it because you will not believe your eyes.
Speaker 2: Follow me and my shenanigains at tib La c I
Speaker 2: do elasi on all platforms the congregation. Yeah, y'all get
Speaker 2: out there, and I mean you're not going to be
Speaker 2: this thick, okay, but don't stop believing. Apparently you can
Speaker 2: be anybody who want to be including somebody else for
Speaker 2: the rest of their lives.
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