WEBVTT - Draft Season: Episode 21- CBS NFL Analyst Charles Davis 0:00:03.462 --> 0:00:06.702 Tapeds. It's a production of I Heart Media and the NFL. 0:00:11.582 --> 0:00:13.822 The draft is finally in the books, and so we 0:00:13.902 --> 0:00:16.822 have a draft to react to here on TAPEDS Draft season. 0:00:16.822 --> 0:00:19.262 Baba Shu was a longtime radio voice of the New 0:00:19.302 --> 0:00:23.022 York Jets and also college football for ESPN for years 0:00:23.022 --> 0:00:25.862 and years and years and years and for decades and 0:00:25.902 --> 0:00:28.622 decades and decades. Breaking down the old twenty two for 0:00:28.742 --> 0:00:32.462 NFL films is Greg Costel, who Greg, I'm just happy 0:00:32.502 --> 0:00:34.102 that you've made it to the finish line with me, 0:00:34.182 --> 0:00:36.142 you know, at your advanced age, to get all the 0:00:36.142 --> 0:00:38.822 way through the draft. I think it's impressive that we've 0:00:38.862 --> 0:00:40.662 made it this far together. Well, you know, if I 0:00:40.782 --> 0:00:42.662 just to you how crazy I am. I'm still gonna 0:00:42.662 --> 0:00:44.622 take one more week and watch some guys that I 0:00:44.742 --> 0:00:48.302 missed now that I've seen the draft. So fortunately there 0:00:48.302 --> 0:00:51.982 were always three guys in the first uh three rounds, 0:00:52.102 --> 0:00:54.422 three players that I had not seen in the first 0:00:54.502 --> 0:00:56.542 three rounds. Because I think I'm up to about two 0:00:57.222 --> 0:00:59.942 guys now that I've seen and in my one man 0:01:00.022 --> 0:01:02.742 scouting service, So you know, it's it takes a little time. 0:01:02.782 --> 0:01:05.622 As you know, Yeah, you're you're the definition of unwell, 0:01:05.662 --> 0:01:08.622 which is not how to guest to try to balance 0:01:08.662 --> 0:01:11.302 this out, and it is the incomparable Charles Davis, who 0:01:11.342 --> 0:01:14.022 joins us here on te Pets draft season. Of course, 0:01:14.262 --> 0:01:17.262 on CBS during the NFL season you'll hear analizing games, 0:01:17.302 --> 0:01:19.662 but of course on the NFL network he was covering 0:01:19.662 --> 0:01:22.062 the trap put out mock drafts all the way leading 0:01:22.182 --> 0:01:25.262 up to the draft. So broke down these prospects, Greg, 0:01:25.302 --> 0:01:28.742 probably about as deeply as you did. And Charles, thanks 0:01:28.742 --> 0:01:31.862 so much for doing this with us. We appreciate it. Hey, Bob, Greg, 0:01:31.902 --> 0:01:34.662 thank you so much for having me. This is fantastic 0:01:34.782 --> 0:01:36.702 And I can't wait to talk a little ball with you. 0:01:36.862 --> 0:01:39.502 And you know, Bob, with you being the radio voice 0:01:39.542 --> 0:01:41.782 of the New York Jets, I have the feeling that 0:01:42.102 --> 0:01:44.582 you're feeling pretty good about what you saw come off 0:01:44.582 --> 0:01:47.302 the board. And and Greg, you know we're gonna I 0:01:47.302 --> 0:01:49.862 know we're gonna talk quarterbacks, which you know, you know 0:01:49.942 --> 0:01:53.422 all the players, but you are a true quarterback guru. 0:01:53.582 --> 0:01:56.182 And everyone in our league I know checks to see 0:01:56.222 --> 0:01:59.102 what you say about quarterbacks because it checks out really 0:01:59.142 --> 0:02:03.502 really well. And last but not least, mock drafts we 0:02:03.542 --> 0:02:06.102 all know are made to be put out there for 0:02:06.222 --> 0:02:08.582 us to be mocked. Once we put them out there, 0:02:08.622 --> 0:02:11.902 you go. Is there is there any chance guys you'll 0:02:11.902 --> 0:02:14.382 allow me to take all three of mine and use 0:02:14.462 --> 0:02:17.742 them in combination so I look better when it's all 0:02:17.822 --> 0:02:21.702 said and done, because at different ones I got different guys. 0:02:21.742 --> 0:02:25.702 Like I put Tyler Linderball to Baltimore at fourteen with 0:02:25.782 --> 0:02:28.262 my second mock draft, but didn't do it with my 0:02:28.342 --> 0:02:30.502 final bock draft. You see where I'm going. So can 0:02:30.502 --> 0:02:34.542 I get credit for one or get picking at twenty 0:02:34.542 --> 0:02:36.902 to Pittsburgh on my first one but not my last? 0:02:37.142 --> 0:02:39.102 Oh that's right, it doesn't count that way. But I 0:02:39.142 --> 0:02:41.142 don't think this. This should be like the S A T. 0:02:41.262 --> 0:02:45.502 You get to like superscore. So yeah, you went, you 0:02:45.582 --> 0:02:48.222 might have maybe you had three eleven hundreds in the 0:02:48.302 --> 0:02:52.062 end of you so tremendous work. Um, you know what. 0:02:52.222 --> 0:02:54.862 I will selfishly get to the Jets at some point. 0:02:54.902 --> 0:02:57.582 But you I think Charles touched on the headline, and 0:02:57.622 --> 0:03:00.462 Greg I know, has opinions on this as well. The 0:03:00.542 --> 0:03:05.222 quarterbacks were fascinating the fact that quarterback Kenny Pikett went 0:03:05.222 --> 0:03:09.022 in the first round probably where most talent evaluators thought 0:03:09.062 --> 0:03:13.462 he may go the most NFL ready polished product in 0:03:13.502 --> 0:03:17.142 college football this year. But no one reached, No one 0:03:17.222 --> 0:03:20.222 made a big, huge, aggressive trade up, no one panicked 0:03:20.262 --> 0:03:22.302 and thought one of these guys might go late first 0:03:22.382 --> 0:03:24.302 round and we better go up and get him. How 0:03:24.342 --> 0:03:27.462 surprised were you that in many moth traps you had 0:03:27.462 --> 0:03:31.062 Malik Willis projected as possibly the top ten pick. Maybe 0:03:31.062 --> 0:03:34.542 people would be, you know, just entranced by the ceiling, 0:03:34.942 --> 0:03:38.142 and yet he and Matt Corral and Desmond Ritterer and 0:03:38.262 --> 0:03:40.662 Sam Howe, all of these guys that I think we 0:03:40.702 --> 0:03:44.902 all think of NFL potential all dropped later to the 0:03:44.982 --> 0:03:48.022 third round, and I mean maybe in the end where 0:03:48.022 --> 0:03:49.742 they should have gone. What do you think, Well, I 0:03:49.782 --> 0:03:52.302 think that that's kind of I think, Bobby, you laid 0:03:52.302 --> 0:03:54.342 it out perfectly. And I can't wait for Greg to 0:03:54.422 --> 0:03:57.582 chime in on this because I said before, we all 0:03:57.662 --> 0:04:00.662 check and see what Craig says about quarterbacks. And that's 0:04:00.782 --> 0:04:03.822 that's not because we're on this show. That's just reality. 0:04:04.062 --> 0:04:06.662 Like when you asked around the league and you check 0:04:06.742 --> 0:04:08.622 with people, a lot of people will say, well, what 0:04:08.622 --> 0:04:12.782 did Greg think his quarterbacks? And it's a legit legit item. 0:04:12.902 --> 0:04:18.022 I think that the league evaluations for once, instead of 0:04:18.062 --> 0:04:20.182 the game of liars poker that we're all used to 0:04:20.702 --> 0:04:22.862 for the last month leading up to the draft, where 0:04:22.862 --> 0:04:26.142 everyone gives you disinformation, I think the league told us 0:04:26.142 --> 0:04:28.542 the truth this time and actually stuck to it. And 0:04:28.582 --> 0:04:31.582 I think that you nailed at Bob. There wasn't a panic. 0:04:31.742 --> 0:04:35.982 I looked into the camera on day two of the draft. 0:04:36.022 --> 0:04:39.822 I looked directly into the camera. I spoke to the people. Actually, 0:04:39.862 --> 0:04:42.902 I think I said at night one that someone's gonna 0:04:42.982 --> 0:04:45.502 take a quarterback and then the others are going to 0:04:45.622 --> 0:04:50.302 dive in. I was wrong, but I was wrong, which 0:04:50.302 --> 0:04:53.902 fit the evaluations because before this whole thing started. And 0:04:53.902 --> 0:04:56.022 I'm gonna let Greg get in here, because because because 0:04:56.022 --> 0:04:59.382 he should, I said before the draft, and I stuck 0:04:59.422 --> 0:05:02.422 to it the entire time. There was a single quarterback 0:05:02.422 --> 0:05:04.702 in this draft that I had rated as highly as 0:05:04.742 --> 0:05:08.782 the fifth quarterback last year, and frankly the sixth quarterback, 0:05:09.142 --> 0:05:12.182 which was Davis Mills of Stanford who went to the 0:05:12.222 --> 0:05:15.262 Houston Texas. That Davis Mills had played a full year 0:05:15.302 --> 0:05:18.502 for David Shaw Stanford this year have a sneaking suspension, 0:05:18.622 --> 0:05:20.622 we would have been ranking him the number one quarterback 0:05:20.662 --> 0:05:23.902 coming out this year, so that's where my evaluations were. 0:05:24.822 --> 0:05:27.742 But as always, that doesn't mean there aren't any stars 0:05:27.782 --> 0:05:30.462 in this that remains to be seen. This is all 0:05:30.502 --> 0:05:33.422 about evaluation, Greg, How did you say it? You know, 0:05:33.622 --> 0:05:35.502 I was as you were just talking, and I thought 0:05:35.502 --> 0:05:37.102 about this over the weekend as well, but it even 0:05:37.182 --> 0:05:39.862 hit me just more Charles as you were speaking. I 0:05:39.942 --> 0:05:43.902 wonder we become so ingrained in thinking that everybody sees 0:05:43.942 --> 0:05:48.902 the quarterback position now as a secondary action improvisational position. 0:05:49.462 --> 0:05:52.222 And it's easy to say that because we do see guys, 0:05:52.502 --> 0:05:55.222 whether it's a Mahomes, whether it's a Josh Allen, do 0:05:55.422 --> 0:05:58.542 those kinds of things at are really high level. But 0:05:58.622 --> 0:06:01.622 I wonder if somewhere along the line, and I don't 0:06:01.622 --> 0:06:03.222 know if this is true or not, As I said, 0:06:03.262 --> 0:06:05.982 I it's just reacting to what you said. It's somewhere 0:06:06.022 --> 0:06:10.542 along the line. Team said, you know what, that's all great, 0:06:11.102 --> 0:06:14.742 but we as coaches work sixteen hours a day, we 0:06:14.862 --> 0:06:18.142 have a whole off season. We put in our system 0:06:18.222 --> 0:06:21.942 we wanted to be executed, and if you executed properly 0:06:22.182 --> 0:06:25.822 within the structure, there's a much higher percentage chance that 0:06:25.902 --> 0:06:30.342 our offense will run efficiently, snap after snap after snap, 0:06:30.622 --> 0:06:36.342 not waiting for a potentially secondary action, improvisational play which 0:06:36.382 --> 0:06:39.302 has somewhat of a random feel to it. And I'm 0:06:39.342 --> 0:06:42.502 just wondering, if you know, even with someone like Malik 0:06:42.542 --> 0:06:45.302 Willis and I know you watched his tape, I personally 0:06:45.342 --> 0:06:48.742 did not think his tape this year was that strong overall. 0:06:49.422 --> 0:06:52.822 Now can he make plays, of course, but Charles, you 0:06:52.902 --> 0:06:55.862 and I both know coaches and practice don't roll the 0:06:55.862 --> 0:06:58.062 ball out and say, you know, our plan today is 0:06:58.062 --> 0:07:01.342 to just go make some plays. And I just wonder 0:07:01.542 --> 0:07:04.982 somewhere along the line, teams thought, you know what, these 0:07:05.022 --> 0:07:09.942 guys have some issues playing consistently within structure, doing the 0:07:09.942 --> 0:07:13.942 things that are required at the NFL level, snap after snap. 0:07:14.022 --> 0:07:18.262 They're pretty significant works in progress in that area. So 0:07:18.382 --> 0:07:20.502 instead of just taking a guy because he can make 0:07:20.502 --> 0:07:22.982 a few plays, Hey, Sam Howell made a lot of plays, 0:07:23.422 --> 0:07:26.222 and I personally think Sam Howell has a chance, But 0:07:27.302 --> 0:07:29.862 you know what, he wasn't that consistent from the pocket. 0:07:29.902 --> 0:07:31.542 He would tell you that I spoke to him at 0:07:31.582 --> 0:07:33.382 the combine. He said to me, I didn't have a 0:07:33.462 --> 0:07:36.782 very good year. Those are his words. So I think 0:07:36.822 --> 0:07:39.662 that teams. Who knows. I'm trying to give maybe a 0:07:39.702 --> 0:07:42.262 little more of a three thousand foot view of how 0:07:42.302 --> 0:07:46.502 teams might have thought, because Malik Willis would have been 0:07:46.542 --> 0:07:48.182 seen I think by a lot of people as, oh, 0:07:48.262 --> 0:07:50.502 you gotta go get him because he can make plays, 0:07:50.742 --> 0:07:53.262 but obviously teams didn't go get him. I love that. 0:07:53.342 --> 0:07:55.702 I absolutely love that. I'm glad you brought that into 0:07:55.782 --> 0:08:00.262 play because there's a quarterback and retired and unretired, that 0:08:00.822 --> 0:08:03.342 makes the plays from the pocket, and he has all 0:08:03.542 --> 0:08:06.302 rings and he's the best quarterback we've ever seen, and 0:08:06.302 --> 0:08:10.742 that that, of course is Tom Brady. Russell. Wilson gets 0:08:10.782 --> 0:08:13.982 mis evaluated in my mind, and was misevaluated coming out 0:08:13.982 --> 0:08:17.662 of college by the vast majority of us because the 0:08:17.702 --> 0:08:20.942 athleticism was predominant. But I thought that one year at 0:08:20.942 --> 0:08:24.862 Wisconsin was huge for him and the biggest place he made. 0:08:24.862 --> 0:08:27.782 And go back to his Seattle time. He made pocket 0:08:27.862 --> 0:08:30.582 throws when he came out of college, and everybody remember 0:08:30.622 --> 0:08:33.022 fourth and twenty six and the Big Ten championship game. 0:08:33.422 --> 0:08:35.502 That wasn't a broken play, it was a pocket throw 0:08:35.822 --> 0:08:37.662 and he makes it and end up going on and 0:08:37.702 --> 0:08:40.662 win it. So those types of quarterbacks hit. I thought 0:08:40.662 --> 0:08:44.782 that Carson Strong from Nevada, who didn't get drafted, might 0:08:44.822 --> 0:08:48.622 have tested that theory Greg, except his knees, and I 0:08:48.662 --> 0:08:51.422 think his health were so bad that people passed on him, 0:08:51.582 --> 0:08:53.342 and that's why he's gonna end up being a free 0:08:53.342 --> 0:08:56.302 agent and last, but not least, one of the all 0:08:56.342 --> 0:08:59.142 time great quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers, you have to help me 0:08:59.182 --> 0:09:02.622 with this one. I think that his career revibes, for 0:09:02.742 --> 0:09:07.822 lack of a better word, actually continue to ascend or reascended, 0:09:07.862 --> 0:09:10.622 whatever word you want to use. When he got out 0:09:10.622 --> 0:09:13.462 of that stage near the end of the Mike McCarthy time, 0:09:13.502 --> 0:09:18.382 in my mind of every snap he started to create 0:09:18.902 --> 0:09:23.382 instead of snap rhythm, look for your guy, throw the football. 0:09:23.742 --> 0:09:26.222 I think he's back to doing that, and then the 0:09:26.342 --> 0:09:30.422 legs are an accessory, not primary. And that's what I 0:09:30.462 --> 0:09:32.742 thought for about a two or three years per stage. 0:09:32.902 --> 0:09:35.022 As soon as he got in the snap, he was 0:09:35.062 --> 0:09:37.702 off and going and going to create right away. Now 0:09:37.742 --> 0:09:40.382 he's back in rhythm, and boy, that's the Aaron Rodgers 0:09:40.382 --> 0:09:42.462 we all knew. Maybe I'll wrong, but that's what I said, 0:09:42.502 --> 0:09:45.182 and you're so right, because the last two years he's 0:09:45.182 --> 0:09:48.462 done that and he's played at an exceedingly high level. 0:09:48.782 --> 0:09:51.502 And I think what people are starting to understand is, 0:09:51.942 --> 0:09:54.422 you know, sure, we see Mahomes do his thing, Josh 0:09:54.462 --> 0:09:57.662 do his thing in Buffalo, but at some point in 0:09:57.702 --> 0:10:01.302 this league, you need to drop back passing game. And 0:10:01.502 --> 0:10:04.462 if you don't have that, you're going to stop in 0:10:04.542 --> 0:10:06.862 your quest to get to the big game. You know. 0:10:06.902 --> 0:10:08.942 I think there are teams that are very good examples 0:10:08.942 --> 0:10:11.262 of that when I say they don't have one. Obviously, Charles, 0:10:11.262 --> 0:10:14.182 it's in their playbook, we know that, but but they 0:10:14.262 --> 0:10:17.582 just don't execute it at the level that's necessary to 0:10:17.902 --> 0:10:21.062 really advance and become a great team. And I think 0:10:21.102 --> 0:10:23.942 we're seeing that, Hey, you know what, maybe that's something 0:10:24.022 --> 0:10:26.582 that should be higher on the list as opposed to 0:10:26.702 --> 0:10:29.662 lower on the list. Yeah, the second reaction stuff, Bob. 0:10:29.782 --> 0:10:33.422 The second reaction stuff, in my mind is that that's 0:10:33.422 --> 0:10:36.262 an accessory. That's what you sprinkle in. If the second 0:10:36.302 --> 0:10:39.262 reaction is what you're doing right off the top, well, 0:10:39.302 --> 0:10:41.502 we're back, We're we're having the turkey ball out back. 0:10:42.022 --> 0:10:44.022 Now we're we're playing that, We're coming in and having 0:10:44.022 --> 0:10:47.022 the pumpkin pie, and and and that just doesn't work 0:10:47.142 --> 0:10:49.822 quite the same way as we go along doing it. 0:10:50.062 --> 0:10:52.222 And I think teams are starting to evaluate that a 0:10:52.262 --> 0:10:55.702 little bit more. And yes, we remember, just as Greg 0:10:55.742 --> 0:10:58.542 put out there, what Mahomes does, what Josh does, all that, 0:10:59.302 --> 0:11:02.222 but the biggest plays they make are from the pocket. 0:11:02.502 --> 0:11:04.182 And I'm gonna just stop up right here with this 0:11:04.342 --> 0:11:07.022 last observation, and it's one I'm gonna continue to jump 0:11:07.062 --> 0:11:10.542 up and down the table on quarterback. Pro days have 0:11:10.702 --> 0:11:16.222 turned into horse contests at cential? How many players can 0:11:16.302 --> 0:11:18.142 I show? How many times can I show you an 0:11:18.142 --> 0:11:22.822 off schedule, off platform throw that you all go, wow, 0:11:23.022 --> 0:11:25.942 how great was that? How About you hit your back 0:11:25.982 --> 0:11:28.662 foot and either the ball comes out of your hand 0:11:29.182 --> 0:11:31.222 or your back foot and hitch it to time up 0:11:31.262 --> 0:11:34.102 the route and then throw the football and make that 0:11:34.182 --> 0:11:37.742 throw time and time and time again. Drew Lock had 0:11:37.782 --> 0:11:41.822 a fantastic Pro Day with the off platform throws. We 0:11:41.862 --> 0:11:44.262 haven't seen him consistently make the throw on three and 0:11:44.302 --> 0:11:46.382 five step drops he's supposed to make to make him 0:11:46.382 --> 0:11:49.342 a starting quarterback in the NFL. I think I think 0:11:49.422 --> 0:11:52.782 all the Pro days have got to stop doing that. Hey, 0:11:52.822 --> 0:11:55.182 you want to give me one of those? Cool? But 0:11:55.222 --> 0:11:58.582 we're getting a whole series to show you off platform. 0:11:58.662 --> 0:12:01.742 All right, that's fine, but the biggest thing is am 0:12:01.742 --> 0:12:04.102 I consistently making the throw on three, five step and 0:12:04.142 --> 0:12:07.302 seventh step dropped up supposed to make? Yeah, when Zach 0:12:07.342 --> 0:12:09.942 Wilson had his pro day, uh, you know, obviously as 0:12:09.942 --> 0:12:12.702 a Jets guy, it went viral when he had like 0:12:12.742 --> 0:12:15.622 that office back foot flicked the side on fifty yard 0:12:15.662 --> 0:12:18.822 down the middle and and Jet fans saw that like, 0:12:18.862 --> 0:12:20.782 oh my god, look what this guy can do. Well, 0:12:20.942 --> 0:12:23.862 you don't want him doing that, Like like if he's 0:12:24.062 --> 0:12:26.342 if he's doing that a lot, it means whatever play 0:12:26.422 --> 0:12:28.662 that you drew up, it didn't work, and now he 0:12:28.702 --> 0:12:31.942 has to correctly get an offensive coordinator. I think, show 0:12:32.022 --> 0:12:34.222 me what you look like when the play that I 0:12:34.302 --> 0:12:37.622 put on the whiteboard comes together the way it's supposed to, 0:12:37.742 --> 0:12:40.422 and then you can execute that, And to me, that's 0:12:40.462 --> 0:12:43.262 more valuable. I agree, and Greg and I've talked about this, Charles. 0:12:43.302 --> 0:12:45.262 I want to get your reaction as well before we 0:12:45.302 --> 0:12:47.382 wrap up this segment and maybe get to some teams 0:12:47.382 --> 0:12:51.902 and some other positions. But even if the quarterbacks an 0:12:51.902 --> 0:12:56.942 anomaly this year dropped, this draft still shows it's still 0:12:56.982 --> 0:12:59.702 all about the quarterback, right like, look what teams did. 0:12:59.902 --> 0:13:02.862 Look at the trades teams made for big wide receivers. 0:13:03.542 --> 0:13:05.862 Look at the top twelve guys that came off the board. 0:13:05.862 --> 0:13:08.342 To start, you need to get to Jordan Davis before 0:13:08.422 --> 0:13:11.462 that was the first player in this draft that you 0:13:11.462 --> 0:13:13.822 can make an argument place a position that isn't about 0:13:13.862 --> 0:13:17.182 the quarterback. Everybody else it was the guy who's gonna 0:13:17.182 --> 0:13:18.902 catch the ball from the quarterback, or the guy that's 0:13:18.902 --> 0:13:21.182 gonna cover the guy that you're gonna try to throw too, 0:13:21.262 --> 0:13:23.462 or the guy that's blocking for the quarterback, or right 0:13:24.342 --> 0:13:28.502 the top. It's all still about the quarterback, isn't it. 0:13:28.862 --> 0:13:31.662 At great point, it's how the quarterback plays and how 0:13:31.702 --> 0:13:34.662 you affect the quarterback. All three of us are old 0:13:34.742 --> 0:13:38.262 enough to know these coaches. We weren't around totally when 0:13:38.262 --> 0:13:41.502 they weren't walked the sidelines, but they're the legends. Bear 0:13:41.582 --> 0:13:46.342 Bryant and Bumm Phillips repopularized it. The game is still 0:13:46.382 --> 0:13:52.022 about protect ours rush. There's it still comes back to that. 0:13:52.262 --> 0:13:56.222 It hasn't changed protect your quarterback. That's what you're talking about, Bob. 0:13:56.302 --> 0:13:59.862 All those offensive tackles came off the board, rushed the quarterback. 0:13:59.982 --> 0:14:01.982 How about all the all the edge rushers that came 0:14:02.022 --> 0:14:04.982 off the border early. Exactly right about that. The game 0:14:05.062 --> 0:14:07.742 is still played there, So you're right, even if it 0:14:07.782 --> 0:14:11.502 wasn't quarterbacks, it was about making the quarterback either uncomfortable 0:14:12.062 --> 0:14:14.382 or are safe enough to throw it to those receivers 0:14:14.422 --> 0:14:16.822 that came off the board as well. I love that observation. 0:14:17.142 --> 0:14:19.502 That's Charles Davids, Sam Babo shoot, Hi, Gregg Cosell of 0:14:19.502 --> 0:14:21.542 course with me as well, and this is Tape Heeds 0:14:21.582 --> 0:14:23.422 Draft season. Will step aside for just a moment and 0:14:23.462 --> 0:14:25.342 come back and attack some of the teams, some of 0:14:25.342 --> 0:14:28.262 the other big position groups that were headline makers in 0:14:28.302 --> 0:14:35.582 the NFL Draft in just a moment, Baba shoot, Greg 0:14:35.622 --> 0:14:38.302 Cosell and Charles Davis kind enough to spend some time 0:14:38.302 --> 0:14:40.822 with us this week wrapping up our coverage of Tape 0:14:40.862 --> 0:14:44.702 Heeds Draft Season and the two NFL Draft and you know, 0:14:44.782 --> 0:14:47.462 Charles would spent pretty much the entire first segment talking 0:14:47.502 --> 0:14:50.742 not just about the quarterbacks, but philosophically how teams went 0:14:50.782 --> 0:14:53.462 after players that impact the quarterback. Let's get to some 0:14:53.542 --> 0:14:55.542 teams and you know you brought them up, so I 0:14:55.582 --> 0:14:58.982 will selfishly take the bait my Jets that seemed had 0:14:58.982 --> 0:15:02.342 a pretty good draft, right. Everybody seemed to collectively across 0:15:02.382 --> 0:15:06.422 the board think that they got a lot of boxes 0:15:06.542 --> 0:15:08.702 checked that they were able to get not only three 0:15:08.702 --> 0:15:12.142 first round picks, but three players in the first round, 0:15:12.182 --> 0:15:15.422 including Jermaine Johnson at twenty six that many people had 0:15:15.622 --> 0:15:19.062 prognosticated to be top ten guys. Um. And then they 0:15:19.102 --> 0:15:22.142 did get some other weapons that seemed to be their philosophy. 0:15:22.182 --> 0:15:25.382 Just keep getting weapons, um, you know, for for Zach 0:15:25.422 --> 0:15:28.222 Wilson or guys that can go cover together team's weapons. 0:15:28.622 --> 0:15:31.262 And now, of course with Sauce Gardner their first pick. 0:15:31.382 --> 0:15:33.942 So what was your overall take on their performance? I 0:15:33.982 --> 0:15:37.022 thought it was phenomenal And one of the points I 0:15:37.062 --> 0:15:39.302 tried to make on the on the broadcast, I'll know 0:15:39.422 --> 0:15:41.662 if it cut through didn't because let's face there's a 0:15:41.662 --> 0:15:44.022 lot of time plus ed mayor narrow, so you know 0:15:44.302 --> 0:15:46.302 there's a lot going on for our for our draft. 0:15:47.462 --> 0:15:51.022 The people people were hopping on the Jets bandwagon for 0:15:51.102 --> 0:15:54.582 the draft, and Joe Douglas and GM, I thought, look 0:15:54.782 --> 0:15:57.422 did we forget last year? He already showed you he 0:15:57.462 --> 0:16:00.782 knows how to manipulate a board. Remember last year when 0:16:00.782 --> 0:16:02.902 you do it, when the Jeff took Zack Wilson at two, 0:16:03.662 --> 0:16:07.062 he came back and executed a trade with Minnesota to 0:16:07.142 --> 0:16:10.102 get it to get Elijah Vera Tucker to guard tackle 0:16:10.142 --> 0:16:13.302 from USC at fourteen. You don't just take the quarterback 0:16:13.582 --> 0:16:16.822 and make sure and leave him naked and in his eyes. Hey, 0:16:16.902 --> 0:16:20.222 we had McKay Beckton from before. You're bringing Vera Tucker. 0:16:20.302 --> 0:16:22.942 You got a heck of a left side. And then 0:16:22.982 --> 0:16:24.662 you come back and get the runner of Michael Carter 0:16:24.742 --> 0:16:26.902 at four. You got Alijah More in the second round. 0:16:27.102 --> 0:16:29.662 I thought last year was a tremendous draft for the Jets. 0:16:30.142 --> 0:16:33.182 Now you come back this year and in the game 0:16:33.222 --> 0:16:36.302 of can you top yourself? I would say Joe Douglas 0:16:36.342 --> 0:16:40.262 did because not only was he waiting to come back 0:16:40.302 --> 0:16:42.982 in to get Jermaine Johnson as he kept dropping, he 0:16:43.062 --> 0:16:46.262 did how about it a second round what he did 0:16:46.302 --> 0:16:49.702 to make sure he got Breece Hall, because I mean 0:16:49.742 --> 0:16:52.102 that was a big deal. Breece Hall was I think 0:16:52.142 --> 0:16:54.942 the consensus top runner on the board. And now you're 0:16:54.982 --> 0:16:57.462 gonna pair Breeze Hall in the second round this year, 0:16:57.502 --> 0:17:00.582 Michael Carter in the fourth round last year, Zach Wilson 0:17:00.622 --> 0:17:03.342 has that you got Alijah More last year. You now 0:17:03.462 --> 0:17:07.262 you come back with uh with Garrett Wilson this year. 0:17:07.742 --> 0:17:10.062 You know, oh, by the way he signed the c 0:17:10.222 --> 0:17:13.342 j us Alma right, didn't signed Alert Conklin as well, 0:17:13.382 --> 0:17:16.302 and in in in free agency. And then you come 0:17:16.382 --> 0:17:18.582 making Jeremy Rucker from ohiose date he was a very 0:17:18.702 --> 0:17:21.622 underrated tight end and people go, well, you didn't catch 0:17:21.662 --> 0:17:23.262 a lot of balls, And I was like, well, then 0:17:23.302 --> 0:17:27.382 you don't watch ball because Ohio State was throwing too 0:17:27.662 --> 0:17:34.182 Chris Alave, Garrett Wilson, uh Smith and Jagba. I mean, 0:17:34.302 --> 0:17:36.502 they were playing the perimeter game. You're not throwing it 0:17:36.542 --> 0:17:38.782 to the tight end because those guys are creating big plays. 0:17:38.902 --> 0:17:42.662 Jeremy Rutgers a Long Island kid coming home. He's ecstatic 0:17:42.942 --> 0:17:45.862 and his past catching potential is more vast than what 0:17:45.942 --> 0:17:48.302 people know. I thought it was a masterful draft by 0:17:48.382 --> 0:17:50.782 Joe Douglas and Bob If I could just jump in, 0:17:50.862 --> 0:17:53.462 I I couldn't agree more. The Rutgert picked. To me, 0:17:53.902 --> 0:17:56.182 we all know about the first round picks and obviously 0:17:56.222 --> 0:17:59.262 Breeze Hall, but I watched a ton of Rutgers, I 0:17:59.262 --> 0:18:01.702 mean and Obviously he did not catch a lot of balls, 0:18:02.102 --> 0:18:04.502 but people might forget he was a big, big time 0:18:04.542 --> 0:18:07.822 recruit coming out of Long Island and he is a 0:18:07.862 --> 0:18:11.182 really talented guy. Obviously he blocked a lot at Ohio State, 0:18:11.462 --> 0:18:13.902 but when you really dig into his tape and see 0:18:14.102 --> 0:18:16.902 the routes that he ran and the athleticism that he 0:18:16.942 --> 0:18:20.022 brings to the table, he's a three level dimension as 0:18:20.062 --> 0:18:22.142 a tight end, and I think he's one of those 0:18:22.142 --> 0:18:24.222 guys along with a zoom And now now you have 0:18:24.302 --> 0:18:26.782 two tight ends, so the Jets are in a position 0:18:26.822 --> 0:18:29.742 that every offensive coach wants to be in. And keep 0:18:29.782 --> 0:18:33.622 in mind their offensive coordinator has that San Francisco background, 0:18:33.902 --> 0:18:36.462 so they can line up with two tight ends, they 0:18:36.462 --> 0:18:38.662 can line up with three wide I think this is 0:18:38.702 --> 0:18:41.622 a team now that presents a lot of options offensively, 0:18:41.902 --> 0:18:44.542 and it puts Zack Wilson ideally in a good position. 0:18:44.902 --> 0:18:47.062 I like hearing all that, Charles any other teams. We 0:18:47.142 --> 0:18:49.702 were actually touching on the Eagles, Greg and I work 0:18:49.742 --> 0:18:51.502 before we came on the fact that they made a 0:18:51.542 --> 0:18:54.182 big deal for a primetime wide receiver and a j 0:18:54.342 --> 0:18:59.422 Brown and then drafted to Georgia between the tackles front 0:18:59.502 --> 0:19:02.662 seven defensive players as part of their top three picks, 0:19:02.702 --> 0:19:05.662 you know, in Nakobe Dean and Jordan Davis. I don't 0:19:05.662 --> 0:19:07.982 know if that is a team that fascinated your or 0:19:08.022 --> 0:19:10.102 any others on your list. Well, let's stick with the 0:19:10.102 --> 0:19:12.342 Eagles since you brought him up, because yes, they did 0:19:12.382 --> 0:19:17.462 fascinate me. Howie Rosemand, the mojo was there, Okay, not 0:19:17.622 --> 0:19:20.182 that it has been. You know, I really feel like 0:19:20.222 --> 0:19:22.022 some of these gms and how he's kind of a 0:19:22.102 --> 0:19:25.982 lightning ride for people really zeroing in on what happened, 0:19:26.022 --> 0:19:28.342 what didn't happen to all this. I'll tell you this 0:19:28.342 --> 0:19:32.582 about Howie Roseman. What's he standing? Greg five, Diing five 0:19:32.702 --> 0:19:36.062 eight whatever? Right? But he but but Howie Rosemand play 0:19:36.142 --> 0:19:40.542 seven feet tall guys in every draft. Howie Roseman gets 0:19:40.582 --> 0:19:44.662 after it. Okay, he has he has the gumption of 0:19:44.702 --> 0:19:48.462 the cat burglar. Okay, he's a second story guy because 0:19:48.902 --> 0:19:51.662 he has conviction on people and he will go and 0:19:51.702 --> 0:19:53.982 do what he has to do to try and get them. 0:19:54.102 --> 0:19:57.702 Once he got Jordan Davis getting a j Brown in 0:19:57.742 --> 0:19:59.702 the trade, that means he had to work out the 0:19:59.742 --> 0:20:02.782 contract along the way because he didn't want to say 0:20:02.782 --> 0:20:05.262 I'm gonna trade for him and then have to work 0:20:05.262 --> 0:20:08.262 out the contract, which cost you even more money down 0:20:08.342 --> 0:20:10.502 the road if you hit it wrong. He worked out 0:20:10.542 --> 0:20:13.662 all the details and now he's got that tough guy. 0:20:13.942 --> 0:20:17.262 See I compare A. J. Brown in a way to 0:20:17.342 --> 0:20:21.822 Jarvis Landry because juice in your in your wide receiver room, 0:20:22.662 --> 0:20:24.782 A J. Brown is gonna be the same way. You 0:20:24.862 --> 0:20:26.862 got to play the game with some toughness as well. 0:20:27.142 --> 0:20:29.422 You can't just go run your route to do your stuff. 0:20:29.662 --> 0:20:32.382 You gotta do all the things, do the things possible 0:20:32.382 --> 0:20:34.702 to be a pro. A J. Brown is like that. 0:20:34.782 --> 0:20:36.782