WEBVTT - Conversations About Wolves, Sheep and Shepards

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<v Speaker 1>Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>Selings Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your

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<v Speaker 1>load glasses Malone, Pete Dogg was the deal my man?

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<v Speaker 2>A long time no see?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, man? Where are you being though? How you

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<v Speaker 1>let all these no ceilings call without telling me? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do a no ceilings dog I like to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You have got to be kidding me.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been letting me get packed out by these girls.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no there's no saving it from that outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just that's just what come with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm always here me, I'm always here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you ain't always been there. You was moving around,

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<v Speaker 1>You were somewhere else when I called.

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<v Speaker 2>Because maybe like an hour's notice wouldn't be the worst

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<v Speaker 2>thing of all time. Hey, we're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast. Once't up ending.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, huh, you know what, Maybe what we need

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<v Speaker 1>to do is maybe what I need to do is

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<v Speaker 1>every every Friday, like before I try to do the

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<v Speaker 1>girls podcast, I need to do one with us and

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<v Speaker 1>then one with them. What I need to do actually

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<v Speaker 1>is make it to where we can all be in

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<v Speaker 1>the same room. That's what I need to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have it over the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Or do it like it in the meantime. We could

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<v Speaker 2>do it like you know how they have the State

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<v Speaker 2>of the Union, and then there's the address and then

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards there's the state of the Union rebuttal, like the

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<v Speaker 2>wrap up rebuttal from the other side, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking this union. I think I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a new spot that's literally dedicated to no seilings and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so, like what I'm working at is forty

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<v Speaker 1>five fifty five minutes out the city, and everybody's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get me to get it closer. But because I

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<v Speaker 1>want a podcast, I'm not trying to do a live

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<v Speaker 1>stream or YouTube show. I'm not I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>other people coming to be a part of the conversation. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like with you with red, with bread,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I have more more than

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<v Speaker 1>enough people to have really intelligent conversations with. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was complimenting me the other day and they were saying, man, Glass,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so intelligent. Now I'm not sure if it's through

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<v Speaker 1>education and information, but it feels innate that to meet intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>even though people don't get what that means to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the ability to listen, right, and then articulate an

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<v Speaker 1>idea that corresponds with listening. So is it wrong if

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<v Speaker 1>I think of intellect or intelligence as the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>listen first and primarily.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, it's all about intake of information and

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<v Speaker 2>manipulation and interpretation of that information, and then output and

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<v Speaker 2>either regeneration or articulation of what you just put together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about the way you engineer what you took

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<v Speaker 2>in between when it comes in and when it goes

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<v Speaker 2>out to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And another problem I have is like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>working on it for the last three years, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like when I talk to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>because sometimes I know exactly the bullshit they're about to say,

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<v Speaker 1>so it makes me cut them off cause it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to that dumb ass point that you're about

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Sure, So to truly be even more intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to let them articulate that dumb ass shit

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<v Speaker 1>they about to say all the way to the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So they think that's an intelligence thing. No, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>just a patient stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So that's what I've been really working on.

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<v Speaker 2>The book I'm reading right now, I'm reading another one

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<v Speaker 2>of the George Gilder books. This was Life After Capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to give the amount of plug. Phenomenal book, but

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<v Speaker 2>one of the pillars of the information theory of economics.

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<v Speaker 2>He put a fourth pillar on theirs that information is surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>It's surprise. Bits. If you and I just recite toopless

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<v Speaker 2>two is four, back and forth to each other for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, no information has been exchanged because everything is known.

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<v Speaker 2>Information is only the taking in of an unknown you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quantity or bit of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>HM, tell me about life at the capitalism? What's that about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically talking about the post capitalist era that the

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<v Speaker 2>economy is in, and you know, the term like emergency socialism,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak, where governments intervened on markets because of

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<v Speaker 2>COVID or because of climate or whatever else, and redefining

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<v Speaker 2>what capitalism really is a lot of you know, for entries,

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<v Speaker 2>it was an assessment of scarcity, whereas this is looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it as an assessment of abundance and the power

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<v Speaker 2>of the human mind.

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<v Speaker 1>That's deep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great it's a phenomenal reader.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta read that book. Yeah, So what's been on

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<v Speaker 1>my mind? I want to talk to you about is

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody asked me a question and they asked me, in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern podcast space, do I feel like it's creating

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<v Speaker 1>more sexism? And I thought that was deep, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>I look at different conversations I have with different people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you have your social media friends that you

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<v Speaker 1>share content back and forth with. You know, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>have about ten or twelve people. Out of those ten

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve people, maybe three or four are groups, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're just exchanging information, right, content, and we're just really

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it, right, we're talking about it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am I'm starting to notice there is a really weird

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<v Speaker 1>theme going on where people is spending entirely too much

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<v Speaker 1>time trying to relate to men and women, men trying

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<v Speaker 1>to relate to men, or women trying to relate to women,

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<v Speaker 1>like all this stuff Puffy is going through right with Cassie,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, there are some red flags that go

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<v Speaker 1>up obviously for me, right when I hear all of

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<v Speaker 1>the accusations, it's like, damn hen you know, damn a

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<v Speaker 1>nigga was doing all that to her. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the red flags on Cassie side, like why would you

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<v Speaker 1>wait until the statue of limitation is about to be up.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this in civil court and not criminal court? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I look at both sides, and I really I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the situation as a whole. But I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm on social media, you'll have a line drew

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<v Speaker 1>in the sand. And my initial issue with the line

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<v Speaker 1>first is this is all charges that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>you you have to like you. Usually you need a

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<v Speaker 1>court to decide if someone's guilty of this, But now

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a space to where if you're charged with it,

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<v Speaker 1>if they say this about you, is true, Like right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Puffy is guilty true?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that's yeah, And that's that's not particularly new, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's worse now.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that something that's rooted in intellect at that point? Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Is it the most primitive thing to believe

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<v Speaker 1>the things that are said? Is it as primitive to

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<v Speaker 1>believe like a woman said this, so it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be true, Like so Cassie said this, so the other

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<v Speaker 1>woman have to be like this has to be true

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<v Speaker 1>because she said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's primitive. I think it's this is

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of party to the same kind of conversation

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<v Speaker 2>where you've had this communicative apparatus over the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of decads, Aid's that has attempted to define the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>or redefine the conversation, so to speak, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>good and well, I mean, like you can go across

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<v Speaker 2>the world to like more kind of archaic societies, and

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<v Speaker 2>if a woman accuses a man of something, they just

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<v Speaker 2>beat the shit out of her, tell her to shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you go to Bangladesh as a woman and

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<v Speaker 2>accused of guy raping you, It's like, unless five other

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<v Speaker 2>men saw you get raped, you're full of shit, get

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<v Speaker 2>the hell out of here. Yes, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily that's the case that it is primitive to believe

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<v Speaker 2>somebody on an accusation. I think that what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>is you have this transitional point that we're in where

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<v Speaker 2>you have people who inherently, without thinking, really really really

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<v Speaker 2>trust the system. So they figure, well, if the system,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which I believe is effective, brought these charges,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's more than likely true, or whether the system

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<v Speaker 2>is flawed throughout the handling of the case whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be guilty in order to see a

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<v Speaker 2>charge like that. That's I think a lot of people's

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<v Speaker 2>inherent mindset. But then also like, as so far as

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast space goes, it's the only place, like you

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<v Speaker 2>can't go on to NBC and really provide pushback. So

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<v Speaker 2>this became an area where you could provide pushback on

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<v Speaker 2>certain narratives, and people went crazy with it. So it's like, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>you mean I can jump on a microphone and say

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<v Speaker 2>an alternative narrative and they're not gonna yank me off

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<v Speaker 2>my own show. No great, And then everybody did it.

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<v Speaker 1>M no silings, gl my man, Peter back at it

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<v Speaker 1>usual wow, suspects. Yeah, it's starting to make me like,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me it makes me cringe almost right. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I don't know if it's something because I like,

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<v Speaker 1>as I develop more patients, as I apply more ability

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<v Speaker 1>to listen and reason, it makes me stand out in

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<v Speaker 1>a room like I've been doing all of these promo

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<v Speaker 1>runs and just stop and stop and really listening to

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<v Speaker 1>people say something to me and then responding to them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, based off information, and and then I'll stop

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<v Speaker 1>and I look today and I'll be like, damn man, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can y'all just all get right on your social

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<v Speaker 1>media's and then just act like this is the ending

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<v Speaker 1>point of it all? Like, how do you how do

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<v Speaker 1>you act with so much conviction? Like with Takasi six ' nine, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen everything happening, and I remember Nip telling me, like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that nigga gonna tell, And I'm like, nah, he gotta

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<v Speaker 1>show me, he gonna tell, Like I'm giving everybody the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of the doubt or I won't convict him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right until they tell. Yeah, it's just weird to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like nobody wants to think. Nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>leave a space to like people are not even smart

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<v Speaker 1>enough to leave a space to be wrong. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's this ve sense of conviction, and I can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but truly believe it's a lack of intellect. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I say it's a lack of intellect, it's because the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional side of your brain is overpowering the reasonable side

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<v Speaker 1>of your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a few things. I think that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I think that's part of the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>IQ distributions of Bell curve right, The majority of the

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<v Speaker 2>people are pretty mediocre just from a raw cognitive brute

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<v Speaker 2>strength capacity, you know what I mean? People being wrong

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<v Speaker 2>if you have an intellectual insecurity being proven wrong, especially

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<v Speaker 2>to your face, isn't your greatest moment, you know, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try to stifle debate. We'll try to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>protect ourselves from being perceived as wrong as much as

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<v Speaker 2>as as possible, you know. And quite honestly, most people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't very bright. It's it's almost kind of like you

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<v Speaker 2>can go back to like high school math or high

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<v Speaker 2>school physics. There's the well, hey, nobody would raise a hand,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have the people who will sit there and

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<v Speaker 2>they give you the plug and play formula. Here's your thing,

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<v Speaker 2>here's your plug and play formula, here's whatever. And you

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<v Speaker 2>might have minds like you or me who don't give

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<v Speaker 2>it about the formula. We're going to solve the problem

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<v Speaker 2>through engineering. The concept carte blanche off a blank sheet,

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<v Speaker 2>and our understanding of the principle is superior to theirs,

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<v Speaker 2>because all they're doing is roboting what they're being told

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<v Speaker 2>to do without being able to really break down and

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<v Speaker 2>foundation construct what it is that they're doing in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place.

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<v Speaker 1>M So it's the it's the it's the easiest road

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<v Speaker 1>travel for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's whether we're wrong or not. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to insulate our vulnerability to being wrong through groupthink

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<v Speaker 2>and through collective majority of uniformity of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>M So great point, right, And I do think like

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<v Speaker 1>me and head and sallus always argue because they think

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<v Speaker 1>people are stupid. I don't think people are stupid. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think most people are incapable of learn, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>are incapable of learning. I think most people are distracted,

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<v Speaker 1>Like life has a way, you know, of distracting you,

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<v Speaker 1>especially your IQ. You know what I mean if your

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<v Speaker 1>IQ is not again, IQ is the ability to listen

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<v Speaker 1>and focus more than even speak out Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd Mayweather is a perfect example of somebody that's highly

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent but not educated thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I accuse your ability to like construct, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>patterns and engineer kind of thought and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So even if somebody can't speak like of Floyd Mayweather,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's highly intelligent. And you could see it

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<v Speaker 1>in the thing that he was schooled in, right and

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<v Speaker 1>where he's schooled at. It's not always he don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be completely fundamentally sound, right, he can be. He

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<v Speaker 1>could kind of take the information and then he makes

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<v Speaker 1>things work based off of who he is and to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the cornerstone of intellect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I had this dough theory. The world is sheeps, wolves,

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<v Speaker 1>and shepherds.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Sheeps are people, right who pretty much are distracted

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<v Speaker 1>with the concept of just eating or whatever they think

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<v Speaker 1>eating is. So therefore or they take group thought from

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<v Speaker 1>all of the sheep, the whole flock, and whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>flock is doing. That's what they do because it's more comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can get the concept of social currency. You

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<v Speaker 1>can gain social currency a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you have the few wolves, right, because it's never

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<v Speaker 1>as many wolves as there is sheeps, And you have

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<v Speaker 1>the few wolves that prey on the sheep, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they like, look at the sheep, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it might be three or four and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand sheep, but every day they figure out a way

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<v Speaker 1>to prey on the sheep. And then you have shepherds,

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<v Speaker 1>people who protect the sheep and take them from where

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<v Speaker 1>they need to go the safest way to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they're eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's easier to be a wolf than a shepherd.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my problem now, right, I'm a shepherd. Right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard because I got homies that are wolves. They

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<v Speaker 1>they prey on the sheep's ability to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be distracted with something as simple as eating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how they're able to get their meals.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think to continue with like the discussion

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<v Speaker 2>that you have with Head and those guys, in so

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<v Speaker 2>far as people being stupid or distracted, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a snowballing effect and accumulation of the more the

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<v Speaker 2>more time you spend distracted and disengaged, it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>that you're missing information. You get to a point where

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<v Speaker 2>you fail to pick up tools that other people who

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<v Speaker 2>are engaged pick up over time. So then if that

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<v Speaker 2>happens for ten years, one person with a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>tools and how to think and how to reason and

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<v Speaker 2>all these type of things has it and can do it,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the other person and they might have been distracted,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's consequences to that distraction. Now they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have the tools. So you afford them the time, they

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<v Speaker 2>can't make as much of the time because they lack

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<v Speaker 2>the tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but I also think that's because Okay, the more

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<v Speaker 1>you focus on achieving cheap things like happiness. Yeah, happiness

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<v Speaker 1>is cheap. Sure, the true joy is what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Happiness is cheap. Joy, you know, is really the work.

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<v Speaker 2>They call it a happy ending, not a joyful ending.

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<v Speaker 1>Has them right? Happiness is a dollar fifty on a

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<v Speaker 1>hot day, a dollar dollar fifty cent on a hot day,

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<v Speaker 1>like ice cold water. Happiness is a fleeing thought. Joy

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<v Speaker 1>is a is an existence. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I call happiness joy refined or joy or you're pasteurized.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, happiness is almost a symptom of joy, and joy

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<v Speaker 2>is my life is the disease in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. I like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>then let me ask you a question. You get what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying right when I talk about sheeps, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wool sheeps and shepherds. Yeah, right, as a shepherd, like right,

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many sacrifices I have to make, right

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<v Speaker 1>whereas like I have to know that I'm not probably

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<v Speaker 1>eating sheep, true, you know what I mean, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna get lamb chops, right, it's not part of

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<v Speaker 1>But I can live a quality existence regardless, and a

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<v Speaker 1>moral and a fruitful existence regardless, right by based off

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, a level of peacefulness that when I

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<v Speaker 1>walk when I walk through this country, right when I

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<v Speaker 1>stop in New York, and when somebody feelings hurt, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel nothing, you know what I mean? Because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>exposing their wolfish ways right of praying on people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, or maybe there's sheep this ways, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a sheep, you're dependent. All you can do is

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<v Speaker 2>be dissatisfied. There's nothing else you can do as a sheep.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be grateful or you can be dissatisfied, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can't be It's like the spectrum of zero to

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<v Speaker 2>negative ten or a positive ten. You can't even get

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<v Speaker 2>from one to ten. There either zero or negative ten

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<v Speaker 2>is a sheep because you don't you don't control your

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<v Speaker 2>own outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really how the human race is absolutely in America.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck this fucking me up. Is it a decision to

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<v Speaker 1>be a shepherd or a wolf? Like, why does it

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I can't be a wolf?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a person. Yeah, to be a shepherd or

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<v Speaker 2>a wolf is a personal choice. Some people maybe can't

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<v Speaker 2>be a shepherd, but can be a wolf. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a hierarchy of degree of difficult you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the commitments like being a sheep is the default setting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's harder to be a wolf than a sheep. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to really you have to do something but

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<v Speaker 2>you but you operate in the world of misdirection and

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<v Speaker 2>deceit and taking advantage of those who aren't suspecting. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>wolves don't attack a bunch of sheep head on. They

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<v Speaker 2>like wait till they're like a sleep or whatever. They

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<v Speaker 2>creep in from the back and they grab them from

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<v Speaker 2>the back, leg whatever to help. Being a shepherd is

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<v Speaker 2>even harder because you're operating in truth and reality at

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<v Speaker 2>all times, you know, with with without using smoking mirrors

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<v Speaker 2>and deceit to get by.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you fancy yourself as.

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<v Speaker 2>Man? I don't know. It's a good question, honestly. If anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I might be like like kind of a lone wolf

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm I'm too indifferent to honestly consider myself a shepherd. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't really I don't feed off Some people

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<v Speaker 2>really feed off getting over on people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, no, that's not your No, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not true at all, And that's why it's a weird space.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so I feel like you're a shepherd that's lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a flockless shepherd.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I really don't want to leave these people,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm being pressured to lead these people, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And it's because you have your own

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<v Speaker 1>things you want to accomplish, right, you want to You

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<v Speaker 1>have your own things you want to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like the shepherd who mapped out the stars and

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<v Speaker 2>the constellations, and while he was doing that, half his

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<v Speaker 2>flock got eaten by wolf's fucking crime. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I told you ship heads not to stand over by

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<v Speaker 2>that river at night. Go back to these stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to these stars. Sometimes when I look at

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<v Speaker 1>the music industry and I look at people, like, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll paint Puff like a wolf. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Puff as a wolf. I don't think he prays on

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<v Speaker 1>the innocent, you know what I mean. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't think that. Like, and I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a twin cubs fighting Drake. Between the accusations

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<v Speaker 1>of this and then that whole thirty five page you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the train, all the uh, the deposition from why

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<v Speaker 1>he's being charged civilly, Yeah, you know, it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>think i'd be like, fuck, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>But I just can't jump over that clip like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what you know, Mark Curry or Mace

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<v Speaker 1>says about Puff as far as oh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't give me back my you know, the publishing

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<v Speaker 1>or the royalty, just like yeah, but that's because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you were a sheep and he guided you to greener pastures, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're eating these greener pastures and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>well they can be greener if Puff, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>walk me over here and didn't make any money.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing to do but be dissatisfied. And I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>walking up to the to a critical point in that

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<v Speaker 2>to be a shepherd, you have to be strong and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to make difficult decisions. Like the most famous

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<v Speaker 2>shepherd of men throughout history is probably Moses. Sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those people. I'm not that familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the story and the acan biblical stuff in my saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but I from what I recall, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of dissatisfaction with the guy. Yeah, throughout the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the journey. And sometimes when you've got sheep, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a wounded sheep, breaks this leg, you might have to

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<v Speaker 2>just were down to nineteen. You can't sacrifice the many

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<v Speaker 2>for the one all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You must also have to have tough skin.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because in this world wolves are more respected

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<v Speaker 1>than shepherds. Yeah, the difference is even though wolves are

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<v Speaker 1>it's like wolves are praised by sheep as well as

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<v Speaker 1>it's like because they fear them, they're praised by them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're fired the shepherd himself, you know, is not

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<v Speaker 1>really like I don't say the sheep load the shepherds, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like there's not a true gratefulness about these

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<v Speaker 1>of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>They like the perfect illustration of that is like the

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<v Speaker 2>preacher's daughter being the slut. No respect for the shepherd

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 2>tried to guide this woman by down the right path,

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<v Speaker 2>but all the respect for the dude trying to compromise

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<v Speaker 2>her the wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've really had to do a much better job

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<v Speaker 1>because of fortifying who I am internally to do this

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<v Speaker 1>run that I'm doing as far as we counsel these

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<v Speaker 1>nuts and moving forward like like I've had to really

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>because the type of slack that I take and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to take is almost like otherworldly because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to lead the sheeps to better places and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, nah, they said this, the wolf said this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way to go. Like I've had conversations with

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 1>loved ones and close people to me and explaining to

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<v Speaker 1>them like yo, Like I got a conversation with the

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<v Speaker 1>hummies the other day shout out to uh after Apollo,

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<v Speaker 1>Miami mac Wap, cool Youngster king TF And I was

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>telling them. They was like, glasses, why don't you drink

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and smoke? And I'm like, you ever seen somebody drunk?

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<v Speaker 1>And they was like yeah, I get it. But you

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<v Speaker 1>could just see like they had got so used to

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of poisoning themselves as some sense of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So as I tell people do not drink cuz they

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<v Speaker 1>be like tripping. And I'm like, why is this something

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy me telling you not to poison yourself, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm telling the girl, like if I'm on a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast right and I'm telling the girl like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what you shouldn't put out to the man married you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they frowned at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, these are crutches that they've grown accustomed to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the legs are strong, but they're used to

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the crutch, and now the crutch has given them, you know,

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>they got to back like mister Burns from the from

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the Simpsons, from walking with that that walker for so long.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>But you they don't take that walker from me. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to stand up like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm. Damn. This is a rough This is a rough

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<v Speaker 1>thing to have to deal with. It's a rough fucking

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>thing to have to deal with, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think I've ever spent time around somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want the best for sure, believe you know

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. I don't think I've ever spent time

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<v Speaker 1>like sometimes I realize their life would be better without

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<v Speaker 1>me in it because something along the way, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>I met a girl growing up, I mean as I

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>was a younger daughter, and I felt like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the right intentions for her, I would just let

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<v Speaker 1>it go. Like I couldn't. I couldn't just keep interacting

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>with her for this personal means of eating and she

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>was going to get nothing at the end of it. Yeah,

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you know, there were some sheeps who would

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, you know what, I don't care. I

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>just want to be eaten. I don't, you know, like

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>they don't understand the ending result that you're gonna die. Yeah,

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>we spiritually you're gonna lose a little bit of yourself.

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>But it's so much of this kind of concept where

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to have this think about it.

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>We come up in this system, right, we come up

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in this world and we want most women want this

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>old school concept marriage, right, which is this hell a

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>traditional concept, right where you meet somebody and you spend

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life with them, you start a family,

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>you spend the rest and you pretty much with them

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, and you do this for the rest

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of your life. But then, like they don't trip at

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the original idea of that, right, Like when you got married,

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a woman would give you her body, not give you

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a hused body, give you her body, Yeah, I mean,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and that was one of the greatest things that men

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>receive for marriage, right, because you when you know, the

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>original concept of marriage, right, Like as far as the

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>way we practiced in America is you pretty much take

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>on the responsibility of this woman. Yeah, I feel like, right,

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that's why she has your name. She becomes part of

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>your property. And I hate using that term, but yeah,

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>like she becomes your responsibility to care for, to care

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>for and exchange for that, right, you got this person's body,

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>right because outside of you finish, go bust your ass

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to take care of them. Right, You're gonna bust your

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>ass to take care of them, and she will cook

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and cling for you. But because of the sacrifice, you

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.479
<v Speaker 1>got her body as well. But now, like you know,

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you meeting women right who literally have been practicing with

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>their body. So the one thing that you would get

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>from them outside out of the fact that it's a person,

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>is you would get this thing that nobody else had.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>But that's not true now, and then you also so

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>then a woman also now just like a man. Right,

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the comparison thing, like I keep saying, comparison is the

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>thief of joy. Sure, right, So if you've had seven dicks,

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>or if you've been with seven men, you start to

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>compare your men and other men, and you start to

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>realize the weirdest part is you start to compare them

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>to people that it didn't work out with. But you

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>like that much about them. But that thing about them

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that you like about them is probably the ultimate reason

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>why the rest of how they are completely the rest

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of their life. And then you just stuck dealing with

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that shit. So how do you live this hella untraditional existence,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and then tried to complete it with a traditional ending.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>And then we wonder why, you know, six or seven

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>out of ten marriages ending divorce in America, How could

0:30:58.920 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it not?

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that the accessibility of divorce is

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>so self perpetuating. Like not only is it not a

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 2>big deal to get a divorce anymore, so that's self perpetuating,

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 2>but the fact that it's so easy to do and

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>so acceptable leads a lot of marriage dynamics, Like just

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>in dating pre marriage likes, it's damn near a blackmail

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>scheme by women. Get me what I want, whatever that

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>might be, be it material, be it sexual, be it

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>your personality, be it time, whatever that might be. Give

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>me what I want or I'm going to leave, you know,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's turned into this. Relationships America have turned into

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>these referendums on women's satisfaction. You know, they perceive themselves

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>to be the high demand component of the market and

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 2>in short supply. And it's not about a commitment and

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>a collaborative build it is. It is about men have

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>turned into vehicles for women's fulfillment. You know, in the

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>modern dynamic of a lot of marriages and relationships. If

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>woman's not gonna when when when they say, look the

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>number the number one statistical reason for divorce by far

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is money. Those are not men filing for divorce because

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>their wife doesn't make enough money. Okay, they're just not.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Those are women who want a guide spend more money

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>on them or make more money for them, and the

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>guy isn't doing it, and they're fucking out of there. So, like,

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you have to at some point be conscious of the

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>idea that if I don't keep this woman happy, she's out,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and and that disequilibrium of leverage your

0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>relationship is nearly impossible for relationship survive under those circles stances.

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So let's say one hundred years ago, before it was

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this dynamic, and let's say that power structure was on

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the men's side. Marriage is last. But were women miserable?

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It seems like I've see a lot

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>of stuff that. You know, the happiness index among women

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 2>is down now. I mean a lot of it is

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>because they aren't married at all. They're entrenched in professions

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 2>that give them stuff that they don't want her value.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 2>They don't have kids, and you know, or they have kids,

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>they don't have a man, whatever, there's missing components in

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>their lives now that are different than what used to

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>be the norm. I don't believe that every marriage was

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a guy going to work, coming home, getting drunk and

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>beating the shit out of his wife after she cooked

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>dinner every fucking night. You know, that's how marriage was

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 2>painted pre nineteen sixty in the case.

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>That is how it was painted today. That's fair.

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>We all got grandparents and grant grandparents. They weren't all

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>drunk beating the shit out of the other one.

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>No, No, that's not what was happening.

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And not every woman was like, why won't you fucking

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>let me be a lawyer? That's all I want to do.

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to do what they wanted. They want to

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>do the regular day shit. I just.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>So, how is it supposed to work today? Like do

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>we need to redefine kind of the concept at that point?

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>This is very funny. I'm a big fan of this guy,

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Gordon Chang. He's a senior fellow of some think tank

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>out of DC focuses on China. So for geopolitical strategy,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the Pacific rim and stuff is a very interesting listen.

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 2>But this week he did an interview talking about like

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 2>China had the one child policy, you know, which culturally, hey,

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you had a lot more men being kept quote unquote

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 2>than girls because people wanted their first and only born

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>to be a son. Additionally, women were told and convinced

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>that having kids and getting married and stuff was not

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 2>that great.

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't success.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So now they're China's facing what's They're on the

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>precipice of entering the steepest demographic population decline from now

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 2>until you know, twenty one hundred in human history, Like

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>they're they're gonna lose like a billion people in population.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 2>So Shijin Ping has come out and he's getting like

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that's just starting to become a real issue. So he's

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>now saying, I want to start discouraging women from entering

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the workforce, and I want to start discouraging these overly

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 2>lavish weddings, basically meaning we're losing population because women want

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 2>to have jobs and they want weddings that are so

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking expensive the men don't want to marry them.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Quiet, but then they also have a control over their

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 1>like the population breeding and shit.

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Like it was like, well, that's what I'm saying, the

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>one child policy. So it did skew the male female

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 2>you know percentage to a large degree, but it also

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>had a cultural shift where you know, women were so

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that everyone didn't go fucking insane and revolt. They tried

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to re educate women on what their own happiness is.

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>And you've seen a lot of that happen in the

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>United States also to a different ends, but well to

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 2>a similar ends but a different you know purpose in

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 2>the post feminist era.

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>But okay, so at that point, with all of those

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 1>things into into thought, right, because we're talking about sheep, right,

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and are we making a mistake by not giving people Okay,

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:58.359
<v Speaker 1>is the mistake America not moving women into one direction? Like, hey,

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 1>you know what success is being Mary, Success is being

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>with a husband and having a family and a man providing.

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that correct or? Because to me, a big problem

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is everybody's trying to set their own metric for success. Right,

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what we have. So it's like even with me

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>in the music business, right, if I'm in the record business,

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>success is a gold record, success is a Grammy award,

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>success is certifications. Right, that's success. Now that's not to

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>say earning a living. You know, you don't have to

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>have a gold record to earn a living in the

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>music business. You don't have to excuse me, in the

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>record business, you don't need that. But in the record business,

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>success is a goal plaque?

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>So? Or is this where we're making the mistake? Is

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the mistake that we're We're like women are setting their

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>own metrics to success to where they think it's achievable.

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm looking at certain girls twerk and they're like,

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm successful because three hundred thousand people follow me, or

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like Kim Kardashian, right, Whereas like I'm successful because I

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>have black children and I'm the face of a few

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>organizations and movements. So now there's no reason, Like is

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that the kind of conversation of sheep where you're letting

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>sheep make their own decision and now they're just scattered

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>all over the place and wolves are attacking them every

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 1>bit of the way.

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it's maybe less that than it is wolves

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>wearing a robe and holding a stick and pretending to

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 2>be shepherds and leading sheep in a bad direction. I

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 2>think there's an element of it that's also to each

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 2>his own one thing I've noticed personally, is a lot

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of girls that's spent a lot of time showing pictures

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 2>of their ass all over social media, which is a

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>reflection of their priorities. When they have kids, all of

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, their social media turns to nothing of pictures

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 2>of their kids for years and music. Okay, so that's

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 2>now your priority, that's your happiness, that's what you're choosing

0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>to do with your time. I think, I think, like,

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.439
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what you don't know. I think, yeah,

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 2>women are being told go to college, go to graduate school,

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>pursue you know, the high, high income whatever position, and

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, marry richer than you and you'll have happiness

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and success or just be career oriented and whatever. So

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 2>they buy and do it. They pursue that they get there,

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know, time is the ultimate expiring commodity. They

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 2>don't know what they don't know. And when they get there,

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of them realize, hey, you know what,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really happy. This was maybe not the best choice.

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 2>But guess what, I'm forty. It's over stuck with it.

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 1>But they still go out and pursue. Right, there's still

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the same dream, and that's the weird part. Like I'll

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>watch girls I follow on Twitter, right, or girls that

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I see coming across my timeline. They'll be just showing

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>the ass talking about getting a husband. Yeah, Like I

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 1>just genuinely can't believe, like a porn stars, Like, yeah,

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>when I find my husband and it's like that.

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 2>Remember that's that girl from the background that one time

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>we did the podcast was a girl on the background. Yeah,

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 2>that's her late thirties. I want to get married. Whatever

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 2>you go on Instagram, it's nothing but working videos, and

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, well I end up. You know, I'm ready

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to get married. Da da da da dah. Well okay,

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>well you got no money and you just spent Halloween

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>posting scantily clad slut imagery of you in various thematic

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:43.319
<v Speaker 2>slut stripper costumes all over the fucking place. Well, what

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>are you doing to reach this objective that you have

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 2>set for yourself and why is it not coming together?

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I think women also disassociate. They think I want to

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 2>do whatever I want to do, I wonder whatever I

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 2>want to do, and and and the onus is then

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 2>on men to accept me or whatever. It's all the

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 2>wrong question until the right one comes up.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 2>It's the same that that video I made a while

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 2>back talking about you know, no one says like I

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>forgot the general theme of it. But it's like, oh,

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>women will, well, we'll complain in different ways of men

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<v Speaker 2>will complain a man opening up that That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, women will do a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to their appearance or not cater their appearance to what

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<v Speaker 2>men find attractive, and then complain about the men for

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<v Speaker 2>not finding it attractive, which were like, men don't decide.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's there's a degree of it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>tantamount to like the group of men that want to

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<v Speaker 2>just do dumb shit or whatever the fucking end up

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<v Speaker 2>with very little money, and then bitch about how women

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<v Speaker 2>want a man with means. It's like, if you know

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<v Speaker 2>what they want, be what they want, and that that

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<v Speaker 2>works in both directions. And conversely, if you're a man

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<v Speaker 2>with means and this woman over there wants a man

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<v Speaker 2>what means, well, now you're ri well, what's she You

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<v Speaker 2>want a woman who's a B C D and she's

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<v Speaker 2>e fg H, so fuck her, she's gone. People don't

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it's like, oh, it's like opening up any any anything. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you open up a taco stand in La It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do pretty well. People people love tacos if you open

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<v Speaker 2>up up You ever been inside of a Russian market

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<v Speaker 2>or Russian deli or liquor store. They have all this

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<v Speaker 2>weird jarred pickled meat because they got to preserve shit

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<v Speaker 2>through the winter for nine fuck it's the most diss

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like dog food in a glass jar. I

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<v Speaker 2>understand why those people are angry and overthrowing their government

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<v Speaker 2>going to war all the time. I would be pissed too,

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<v Speaker 2>But if I opened up a Russian jarred pickled meat stand,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have and it went out of business. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the customer's fault. You know. You have to at

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<v Speaker 2>some point cater to your market.

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<v Speaker 1>Good looking out for tuning into The note Seller's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded right here on the West coast

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<v Speaker 1>of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah