1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: What is up, Street Fire fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: Straight Bowyer for Wednesday, November the nineteenth. Oh boy, he's back, 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Ladies and germs. Oh yeah. Lebron James, the goat in 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: NBA basketball history, returned to the Lakers last night. We 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: will quickly lead the podcast with that before dovetailing into 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: our guest, my main guy, Ryan Glasspiegel. He's at Front 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Office Sports covers a lot of the media, but he's 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: a gambler and we've never really covered prediction markets here 10 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: on Straight Fire. I felt like it was kind of 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: time to dive into that. He knows it well. He's 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: in Chicago, where you can gamble freely on many many websites, 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: and we dive into prediction markets. Let's you're gonna like it. 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: You probably will disagree with some of it, but some 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: of it I think is forward thinking. And the gambling 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: industry is, you know, in a weird space with the 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: prediction markets coming fast and furious. But before we get 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: to Ryan, let's just talk about Lebron. The return of 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: the King. There was all this consternation, how will Lebron 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: fit in the Laker vibes are great. They're ten and four. 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is playing like an All star, Luca's incredible. 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: How will Lebron fit in? It was seamless. He looked 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: less like the scoring machine, less like discoring machine Lebron 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: James that he used to be, and more like the 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: passing machine Magic Johnson. Thirty minutes, finished with eleven points 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: twelve assists. He did miss three free throws. Didn't shoot 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: it much. I mean ruy Hachi Mora and Jake Laaravia 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: took more shots in Lebron Okay, and Lebron played more 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: minutes than them, so Lebron was not out there looking 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: to score. It's very clear that Reddick, and again let's 31 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: not go overboard. This was just one game, first game back, 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: and it's against the Jazz, who were under five hundred 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: and have a plucky offensive team led by what's his name, 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Keyante George Totally hell. That guy's a bucket. I like 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: his offensive game. He's a refined Jordan Clarkson, if that 36 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: makes sense, first round pick out a Baylor from twenty three. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: He's just he's a scoring machine. They led the Lakers 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: by eleven. They led at halftime and then Lakers finally 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: take over in third quarter and then pull away in 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: the fourth. But the focus will be on Lebron. He 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 2: had twelve assists in thirty minutes. He seemed to do 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: his best work with the second unit. So Luca takes 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: a breather. Lebron comes in, he's playing with La Ravia, 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: he's playing with Reeves, and essentially Lebron was the fulcrum 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: of the offense and wasn't really looking to score a lot. 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: Now he didn't have to because they were in control. 47 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: But with the pick and roll, I mean, DeAndre Ayton 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: got an easy dunk. I mean he's got like eyes 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: in the back of his head. We know his vision. 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: He's one of the best passing forwards in the history 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: of the game. And it looks seamless. It does not 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: look like it's gonna be an issue. That's one game, Okay, 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: So we're not gonna overreact the Lakers upcoming schedule. Let's 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: see what they got. Obviously it'll get more difficult. Oh 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: they got a wait, is this schedule right? So they 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: hosted Utah last night, then they have a five day 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: break and then play at Utah Sunday next week they 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: are home against the paper Clips. That should be a 59 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: good one. I don't know if Kawhio play. Bradley Beal 60 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: obviously done for the season, and then they got the 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: Mavericks and Pelicans. So yeah, Actually, Lebron will get to 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: ease in against some mediocre teams. I mean, I don't 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: think he's gonna play a team with a winning record 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: the rest of this month. Wow, I mean, I don't 65 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: think the Clippers have a winning record. Do they know? 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they're four and ten. No, So yeah, 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: Lakers are gonna get fat and happy off some bad 68 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: teams pull away. Hopefully they can run out to way 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: a nice here. Record wise, I think the Lakers are 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: in great shape. I know some people don't want to disagree. 71 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: They don't want to hear that. They don't want to agree. 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm fumbling. Listen, it's late. I'm 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: gonna just go. Let's just pass it to uh we 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: recorded earlier. My main man, Ryan glaspiego from Front Office Sports. 75 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 78 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy Jason likes to think 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want. 81 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows the 83 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome back 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: to straight fire. Guy. I've known for I don't know 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: fifteen years. Worked with him at the Big Lead. He 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: was at the New York Post. He's now at Front 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Office Sports covers the media. He is a shareholder, yes, 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: that's right, shareholder in the Green Bay Packers. Ryan glass Beagle, 89 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: how we doing, glass Bagel. 90 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Great to be. 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: Honest, oways, Yeah, now it's weird. He lives in Chicago. 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: I hope you don't mind me saying that. But he's 93 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: a hardcore Green Bay Packers fan. So I get the 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: too confused a lot, and obviously you know the Packers 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: are falling on hard times. Let's just quickly start with this. 96 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: Jordan love Lafleur. You got the Jacob's injury, the Tucker 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Craft injury, the Bears leading the division. Makes sense of 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: it for me. 99 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: Okay, so the Packers are one of those teams that 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 4: can literally beat anybody in the league and literally lose 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: to anybody in the league. It's kind of a wild dichotomy, 102 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: and it almost like doesn't really make a difference who 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 4: they're playing on any given Sunday or in this era, 104 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: Thursday or Monday. They could beat air lose anybody based 105 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: on how well they play. And so they've had some struggles, 106 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: as you pointed out, but you know, they are six 107 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: three and one. Like you guys talk about that on 108 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: the Herd all the time, like, who are these teams 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: that are winning pretty every week? The Eagles, the Broncos 110 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 4: win ugly. The Packers most certainly win ugly even when 111 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: they do pull it out. But yeah, they've had an 112 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: interesting type of season because they started out they killed 113 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: the Lions and the Commanders two and zero off the 114 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: Micah Parsons trade. They're the favorites in the NFC. Then 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: they you know, they've dropped games to the Browns and 116 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 4: the Panthers. They tied the Cowboys in a game where 117 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: they were big favorites, just like kind of you know, 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 4: they beat the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers on the road 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh in primetime. It's not an easy environment to 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 4: win in. 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, Steelers aren't good. I guess the problem 122 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: is the Packers have seven games left, five of them 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: are in the division, so they could literally win the 124 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: division or miss the playoffs. 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of it's gonna come. Obviously the Bears 126 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 4: of a seven and three record, but their schedule gets 127 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 4: a little bit trickier from year. They've got this Thanksgiving 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: showdown against the Lions. 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: But huge. 130 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: If you want to. 131 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: Talk about like kind of where the Packers' issues are, 132 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: I think so injuries. You know, injuries affect everybody in 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 4: the NFL. But they lost Tucker Kraft for the year. 134 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 4: He's this electric young tight end. He's probably their third 135 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: most important player that they couldn't lose, after Jordan Love 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: and Micah Parsons. 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: They lost him, wow, third? Yeah over Jacobs. 138 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Jacobs went down. They played fine in 139 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: the second half. 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: What about Cooper the linebacker? 141 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: He's good too, But you know, the offense without Craft 142 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: has just been well. 143 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Like I mean, before the season, 144 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: Tucker Craft wasn't considered like a top five tight end, was. 145 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 4: He Not only that, his season over yardage props. He's 146 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: two a way of getting it and Halloween and then 147 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 4: goes out for the year. But I mean, so they 148 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: lost him. They lost Jayden Reid at the beginning of 149 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: the year. I think he's their top receiver. I mean 150 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: you could like that they kind of have like a 151 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: wide receiver by committee approach where you don't know whether 152 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: Red or. 153 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: Dubbs or Watson is their top receiver. 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: They added Matthew Golden and saveon Williams, they're coming on. 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: But like you know, losing Reid with I think he's 156 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: their leading pass catcher last year was a big deal. 157 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: Their offensive line. 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: This is what has been very unpacker like this year 159 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: is their offensive line has not been good. I mean 160 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: you look at like the stats and like how far 161 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs goes before he's touched. You know, they signed 162 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: Aaron Banks for four years seventy seven million out of 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,359 Speaker 4: the forty nine ers. He hasn't been great. Zach Thoms 164 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: and Important has been in and out with injuries. They 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: lost their center probably for the season, at least for 166 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 4: the regular season, Alton Jenkins this past week. So their 167 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: offensive line has been problematic. And then there's just a 168 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: weird thing where Matt Laflora has been hesitant to let 169 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 4: Jordan Love air it out. And there's like a very 170 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: kind of weird thing where like the national pundits who 171 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: watch the Packers on a red zone or like Jordan 172 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 4: Love is just okay, and then the stat nerds and 173 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: the Packers fans are like, he's elite. Look at his 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: PFF stats, look at his EPA, and you know, people 175 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 4: are like, yeah, no, I know what I saw. But 176 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 4: it's just like kind of one of those age old debates. 177 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 4: But you know, it just doesn't seem like they are 178 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: airing it out with him. And you can say, okay, well, 179 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 4: it's not that Matt Laflora doesn't trust Jordan Love, it's 180 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: that he doesn't trust the offensive line. But you know, 181 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 4: every once in a while, Love has shown this proquivity 182 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: to throw the dumbest interception ever. 183 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: He saw that in that Browns game. 184 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 4: You know, they lost the Browns game for a number 185 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: of reasons, but one of them was just an absolutely 186 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 4: abominable interception that Loved threw. So it's always kind of 187 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: in your back of your mind, is like Lafleur holding 188 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 4: back because he's concerned about this type of decision making, 189 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: and we're never gonna get a straight answer. So it's 190 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 4: just gonna go on and on and on in circles. 191 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: So proverbial gun to the head who's coming out of 192 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: the NFC. 193 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you'd have to think the Eagles just on 194 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: the fact that they've done it before. They have the 195 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: best record, Their defense looks incredible, Uh, their offense is 196 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: very strange. What's going on? How Like they have all 197 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: of these great pieces, but they're. 198 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: Not moving the ball. 199 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: And then Lane Johnson goes down and we yea see 200 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: all those stats about how ikey the Eagles offense are 201 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: is without him and how legendary he has been. But 202 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: you know, it's such an advantage that if you can 203 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: get to third and two, you have a first down. 204 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 4: They need eight yards on the first two plays for 205 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: a first down, and no other team has that in 206 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 4: the back pocket. You know, for all to talk about 207 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: banning the tush bush or whatever, they're the only team 208 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: that executes it perfectly every time. We've seen probably fifteen 209 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: other NFL teams try it and without the same astounding 210 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: rate of success. And so you know, they get to 211 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: third and two. You can just write it and sharpie 212 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 4: that they're getting a first down. If not on third down, 213 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 4: then they'll do it again on fourth and pick it 214 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: up there. 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so AFC you'd have facing the potential egals 216 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. AFC is a little more muddled 217 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: because not many people buy. No, nobody buys the Colts. 218 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: I think people are nervous about the Patriots with such 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 2: a young quack. 220 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: Couldn't stop a cold. 221 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 4: The the just don't say the Chiefs. 222 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: Whatever you do, don't crap. 223 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: I mean, it really is a roulette. We I'll just 224 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: put a chip on someone in Hope it lands. 225 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a long time, all right. Let's 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: pivot from the NFL to the NBA. So obviously you're 227 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: a big NBA guy. Back in the day meet you 228 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: and Vic. We did a nightly NBA bit which was 229 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: on or prop side, prop total whatever, So I know 230 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: you're big on the NBA. I think it's been a 231 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: great season. Some of these numbers on the ratings are 232 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: through the roof. Now, I don't have you looked at 233 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: the numbers and what what do you attribute that to? 234 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: They started out really strong, you know, getting back on 235 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: NBC is a massive deal. First of all, Like NBC 236 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 4: is great production. Know how you read these like media 237 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 4: nerds stories. They actually like have a better picture than 238 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: any other network, which is I don't know, I don't 239 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 4: have a. 240 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: Good enough please what does that mean? 241 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 4: Like they they I don't know if it's like crispness 242 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 4: of the color. They have a better picture, Like they 243 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: use better cameras and their their production has like a 244 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: better picture than any of the other networks. It's been 245 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 4: like documented or whatever. But so they've got that, and 246 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: so it just always feels like a crisp picture on NBC. 247 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: And you've got like Turrico, who's just a pros pro, 248 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: and the NBA and NBC theme. You you've got a 249 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: few minutes of Jordan makes it feel big, even like 250 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: if it's like okay, yeah, you recorded one interview in 251 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 4: your house and then you're you're complaining about load management, 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: but like it's still he's got this like majestic aura 253 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: that when you see him, it really does make it 254 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 4: feel big and special. And not only that, I mean 255 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: NBC is just distributed much better than TNT is. It's 256 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: in fifteen or twenty million more homes it's it's for 257 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: people like me, where boomers who still have cable and 258 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 4: you flip to eight different channels. NBC is one of them. 259 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: TNT for a lot of people fell out of that rotation. 260 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: They don't have much programming besides the NBA. It's kind 261 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: of like old reruns of Charmed and Bewitched and whatever. 262 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Charmed first charm reference in the history of the podcast. 263 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say Law and Order, SUV 264 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: or whatever they're I don't want so. 265 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 4: Those things make money, but because they're cheap, they're not 266 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: They're not like, they're not an appointment. Okay, I'm gonna 267 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 4: check this channel and see what's on tonight. A NBC 268 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: has the Voice, They've got NFL Big ten, like a 269 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: lot of college sports, so the news the local news 270 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: that people flip to, and so it's an anchored channel 271 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: and a lot more people watch it, and so the 272 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: games are better distributed. 273 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: And then you've got Amazon. 274 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: Which is really like eager to please the sports fan 275 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: is still kind of a newcomer on the block. I mean, 276 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: they're in their fourth year of Thursday night football. But 277 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: you have to go to Amazon on purpose. It's not 278 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: in the channel lineup, and so they've put together You've 279 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: talked about this a lot. Amazon has put together the 280 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: anti TNT studio show, where it is like basketball positive 281 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: x's and o's. You've got like Blake Griffin and Dirk 282 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: Nooviski and Taylor Rooks and Donnas Haslam championing the NBA 283 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: instead of saying how much better it was? Oh yeah, 284 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: and I like the TNT show and I think it's 285 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: actually been refreshing on ESPN. 286 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: But now I haven't seen much of it. Wait, well, 287 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: what's different. 288 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: There's nothing different, which is what's refreshing. It's different because 289 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: it's them. It's the same show it's been for twenty years. 290 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: But there were all these questions, Oh, is ESPN going 291 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: to ruin it? No, they're licensing it from TNT, and 292 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: it's actually the same. So you've got the production on NBC, 293 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: you've got the positivity on Amazon. And I think that 294 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: inside the NBA has been an upgrade from NBA countdown 295 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: on ESPN. So oh sure, you're you're looking at several 296 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: different qualitative factors and like also the ratings have just 297 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: been adjusted, so they go up because they're counting more 298 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 4: out of home viewers. In their panels, and that's a 299 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 4: that's an adjustment that's been happening for five years. But 300 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: they keep pulling the levers at Nielsen and making them 301 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: go higher. So you add all those factors together and 302 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: it has been a positive story for the NBA early 303 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: in the season. 304 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: Now, I think you and I are in agreement culturally, 305 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: However you want to define culturally whether it's people wearing 306 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: buying jerseys, wearing them out, and about social media followings, 307 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: what people are just talking about when you go to 308 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: bars or restaurants or wherever. But culturally, I think the 309 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: NBA is very dominant, right. It is incredible the ratings 310 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: haven't necessarily reflected that there is this weird divide where 311 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: the NBA is like an urban sport and in the 312 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: Burbs and in the so to speak heartland, they don't 313 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: love the NBA. There's not a lot of teams there. 314 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: The Deep South doesn't have a lot of teams. That's 315 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: football country. But it's interesting you and Ethan on Your 316 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: Guys Show have talked about how the MLB is passing 317 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: the NBA when you compare ratings from an incredible World Series, 318 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: probably the best in the last twenty years to the NBA. 319 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: I pushed back a little, but I want you to 320 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: kind of set the table on why you think Major 321 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: League Baseball is allegedly the number two sport in the country. 322 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: There's a lot of reasons. 323 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 4: So first of all, yeah, the World Series is be 324 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: the NBA Finals in the ratings the last two years 325 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: and I believe eight of the last ten, it's been 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 4: like a pretty resounding trend at this point, ever since 327 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: the Lebron versus Warriors rivalry fizzled out. 328 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the World Series. 329 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: The nationally, I think we're gonna you're not gonna get 330 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 4: too many arguments from people that the ratings for NBA 331 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: games are generally better than MLB. Like, you know, we 332 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: talked about how they've been in the early season. Nobody 333 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 4: watches those like regulars. Not nobody, but like on tabs 334 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: or MLB Network or ESPN. You know, like you might 335 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: get like a million, million and a half for a 336 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: Sunday night baseball game, But there's bigger numbers for NBA 337 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 4: regular season nationally, and then you can. 338 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: Sketch that out. 339 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: There's a lot more playoff tonnage, the series are longer, 340 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: more teams make it so they definitely have bigger national 341 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 4: TV viewership. But in regions where the like there's an 342 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: NBA and an MLB team, a lot of the in 343 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 4: the local ratings on a per game basis, the MLB 344 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 4: teams are beating the NBA teams head to head for instance. 345 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: Hold on, so for instance, like Brewers versus Bucks. 346 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, way more people will watch a Brewers game per game, 347 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: and there's twice as many games. 348 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: Now, forgive me for asking them, going to sound like 349 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: an idiot, How good were the Brewers this year? They 350 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: were pretty good? 351 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? 352 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 4: I mean they I think they set a franchise record 353 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 4: for winsday, the best record in baseball. 354 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: But so clouches. 355 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 4: They've won a World They've won an NBA championship with Giannis, 356 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 4: they still have him. They're in the playoff mix every year. 357 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: They haven't done well in the playoffs since they won. 358 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: But I mean part of the argue for that, like 359 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: the local stuff, is in the summer, there's no competition. 360 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: There is literally no live sports from I guess June. 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: Like if you're if your local NBA team is eliminated 362 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: May June, July, August, there is no competition, right, Yeah, 363 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: But we. 364 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: Control variable for this. 365 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: So you remember during the pandemic they had the Bubble 366 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 4: playoffs which like stretched into October. And then the next 367 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: year the season started late and the NBA Finals went 368 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: into the Midsummer, and people didn't like, didn't respond to 369 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: and wait. 370 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: Wasn't that the Heat Nuggets Final. 371 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it used you know, Mark Cuban and people 372 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 4: used to say, oh, let's start the season at Christmas 373 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 4: and go into July when we have less competition. They 374 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: tried that the year after the Bubble. 375 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: It didn't work. 376 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: The playoff ratings weren't good versus when people had them 377 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 4: on their natural calendars. So I think I would dispute 378 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: the okay, no competition in the summer thing. 379 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, the only the only pushback on that is it's 380 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: like out of character, like you're. 381 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: Used to competition on TV, but like more people are 382 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: watching TV in the winter because they're in their homes. 383 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: And their hybrids. 384 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: Side, not everyone lives in Manhattan Beach and can go 385 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 4: sit on a patio tonight for dinner, so the like. 386 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: And then on a per game basis, MLB kills NBA 387 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: in attendance, it's probably one an afex and then they've 388 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: got twice as many games again, so you're getting three 389 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: times as many people through the turnstiles. And I understand 390 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: that an NBA court side ticket and the lower bowl 391 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: between the baskets, those tickets cost a fortune and baseball 392 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 4: does not compete with that. So you on the gate, 393 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 4: they're getting the affluent buyer. But you know, you mentioned 394 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: something about NBA being an urban sport. I might push 395 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: back on that a little based on what I said 396 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: about the. 397 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: The local TV ratings had to add. 398 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 4: You know, where the NBA really cleans up, Jason, is 399 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: these ruralish outposts like Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, Memphis, 400 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 4: where it's the only game in town and they're not 401 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 4: competing with other sports teams for the fans' emotions. 402 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: And so. 403 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 4: You know, it's a very like interesting question. I think 404 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: the NBA makes more money in America by virtue of 405 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 4: this national TV deal, But it's a it's a closer, 406 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 4: it's a closer race for what's actually the second most 407 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 4: popular professional sport behind the NFL, which is many times, 408 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: many factors over more pop youer than both the NBA 409 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: and MLB and even combined. But like in a race 410 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: for the proverbial second place. I think it's closer than 411 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: what some people might suspect based on like what the 412 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 4: national talk shows talk about, or the jerseys you see 413 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 4: or whatever. 414 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: No national talk shows, I mean listen, other than the 415 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: MLB postseason. There's like literally non MLB talk during the season. 416 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: Maybe you get, hey, this guy's got a twenty seven 417 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 2: game in intrigue or ten wins in a row. That 418 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: The other. 419 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 4: Advantage the MLB has, and this has been a point 420 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 4: you've made a long time, is the dynasties. The Dodgers 421 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: right now are a behemoth. The Yankees are always in 422 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 4: the mix. The Mets and Cubs should be in the 423 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 4: mix based on the resources, the Red Sox should be 424 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 4: in the mix. And where the NBA, with this like 425 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 4: second apron, it's really turned into an anti dynasty league. 426 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: We've got street years of new champions like you basically, 427 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: if you win a championship, you're gonna lose your third 428 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 4: best player, right, And so it's a it's a tricky 429 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: thing where there's not a lot of continuity in the 430 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 4: NBA and you have these like players who I can't mean, 431 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: we're signing like thirty million dollars a year deals and 432 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 4: they just basically become like interchangeable trade widgets, and it's like, 433 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's a very odd, peculiar system that 434 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 4: the NBA has right now with its competition. And then 435 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: you compound that with like all of the three point 436 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 4: shooting and the erosion of like the mid range jumper, 437 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: and you want to see like you want to see 438 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: the mid range, you want to see action at the rim, 439 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: but you know that the math on the mid range 440 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 4: is bad, and so that they I think like the 441 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: NBA needs to do something like what the MLB did, 442 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: where MLB hired theo Epstein and said, hey, you helped 443 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: break the aesthetics of the game, now help fix them. 444 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 4: And the NBA needs to bring in someone like Darryl 445 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: Moriy to do something like that and be like, how 446 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: can we undo some of these analytics and make it 447 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 4: so the game is more aesthetically pleasing to watch. 448 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: But it's it's so weird. So all these and again 449 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm not saying those those are complaints, but all these, 450 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: let's say criticisms. And yet if you look at social 451 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: media followings for and I just punched it up, so, uh, 452 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: Lebron is over one hundred and fifty million on Instagram. Right, 453 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: he's by far the most of the NBA. He's been 454 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: around forever. Showeo Tani leads baseball. He's got nine million, 455 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: so you could find him post. 456 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: I don't at the posts. 457 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably does. Like his family. 458 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 4: Players are like prolific social media posters. And by the way, 459 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: like the you know, when when we were doing the 460 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 4: big lead and like following all of these like players 461 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 4: social accounts, they used to do their own and it 462 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: was like gritty and they would you know, yeah, now 463 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 4: it's like a business of there was a lot of 464 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: like interest because it was like actually their authentic way 465 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 4: of communicating with the public, whether that was like pretty 466 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: or what. But now it's just like they all have 467 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 4: like the same eight social media managers and all of 468 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: their content. 469 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: Looks the same. 470 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: So let me update. Otani actually is now over ten 471 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: million followers. But again, and he does do some posts. 472 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: But here's this is the cultural part that I can't get. 473 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: Shoyotani is a global star. Everybody knows him. He has 474 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: fewer Instagram followers than LaMelo Ball who has ten point 475 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: five million. Now what does that mean? 476 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: It means that probably bought followers. 477 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 2: He might have. But I wonder around the globe, like, 478 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: here's the big thing. Like again, in Europe, basketball is huge. 479 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: There are tons of leagues. People go over there to play. Hell, 480 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: the ball brothers went over there to play basketball is big. 481 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: Baseball is a non starter in Europe. I mean, yeah, 482 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: you know, that's Asia, that's Asian. But like in Asia, 483 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: yes it's big. But basketball is massive in Asia. Remember 484 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: the Yao Ming impact. And then you know, you look 485 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: around the globe and basketball's massive and baseball just doesn't 486 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: have that clout. Cricket soaks up a lot of baseball 487 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: because cricket's huge on the other side of the globe. 488 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: But there really is go ahead. 489 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 490 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 4: I just don't care, Like I don't care whether people 491 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: in Europe watch baseball or. 492 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: But Ryan, we have our phones and we walk around 493 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: and our phones are attached to our hip. You know, 494 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how if you check your phone, but like, 495 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure you have at least nine hours a day 496 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: spent on your phone, maybe more. My kids make fun 497 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: of me because of that. So you're on your phone 498 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: the most. And these apps Instagram wildly popular or Facebook, whatever, 499 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: and they're dominated by NBA players. Does that mean nothing? 500 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: Okay? 501 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: What does it mean? 502 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 4: How many followers as Patrick mahomes there. 503 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: That's another point. I would argue culturally. 504 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: The NFL is way more popular than the NBA. 505 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: Well, on television, yes, but I would argue culturally where 506 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: all the young people hang out, all the young people 507 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: are online on apps that I think culturally basketball is 508 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: the number one sport in America among young people online. Now, 509 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: that does not Obviously, TV viewing is totally different. The 510 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: Super bowls an event. 511 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: Sure, it's bigger than soccer, like. 512 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Soccer globally, yes, but in America. 513 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: In America, I see more kids in soccer jerseys than 514 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 4: any other sport. Like whatever, I go to my kids playground. 515 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, fine, soccer basketball, I would say they're their 516 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: tone to toe. But again I don't know what that 517 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: means because we have all these you know, guys out 518 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: there with the dog whistles claiming he's dying, woke and 519 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: all his nonsense, and I'm like, that's just not reality. 520 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: Just because you and your like followers don't like it. 521 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: The reality is that sport is immensely popular. What was 522 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: their TV deal seventy five million billion. 523 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 4: You have to judge it based on how many not 524 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: people like watch the actual competition, not highlights of the competition. 525 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Young people don't watch anything. Look at 526 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: the numbers at the box office. Have you seen movies 527 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: this year? Like nobody's going to the cinema? Absolutely nobody. 528 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: But go look at clips from last night's NBA games 529 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: and you get millions of views. 530 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: It's I mean, I guess like if we're you're you're right, 531 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 4: We're we're transferring into this short term, by sized world 532 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: and the NBA is particularly perfect. That's totally fair. 533 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: Is that good or bad? Though I don't know the answer. 534 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 3: Probably bad, But like, what could we do about it? Nothing? 535 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: No, we could try to profit off it ourselves, as 536 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: we both have been doing for fifteen twenty years because 537 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 2: we like sports. But yeah, so here's like a guy like, uh, 538 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: let's see, Jimmy Butler has as many followers as of Tani. 539 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: Like Jimmy Butler could walk down my mom street and 540 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: she would have no idea who that guy is. She 541 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: would know, Tani. But we're just in a weird place 542 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: because social media distorts things so much. So I guess. 543 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: Going back to the original question, how do you define popular, Ryan. 544 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: I mean I think I defined popular as how many 545 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 4: people intentionally engage with the product. And I think these 546 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: social media algorithms can skew our perspective on things because 547 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: the thumb is on the scale of them in favor 548 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 4: of some things and out of favor with others. Yes, 549 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 4: some of it is based on what you follow and 550 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: what you like and all those things. But then some 551 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 4: of it is just the people who operate YouTube or 552 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: Instagram or Twitter have pat causes and divert more eyeballs 553 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: to them. 554 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's divisive. I think basketball is very divisive 555 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: with the rankings and the history baseball there isn't really 556 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: that other than like istani the best player of all time. 557 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: You don't get as many debates, if you will, on 558 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. 559 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 560 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 561 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 562 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: listen live. 563 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: I do want to pivot and we can wrap up. 564 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: So obviously, Ryan's the big gambler. You know, we talk 565 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: about betting. He's pretty good. You know, I've known him 566 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: a while. I'll vouch for him. I think he's a good, 567 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: good gambler. But here's the thing this. I read an 568 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: article I think I sent it to you about how 569 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: fan Duel and Draft Kings recently walked out of a 570 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: big gambling conference that had to do with this whole 571 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: poly market situation that's developing now. I will be one 572 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: thousand percent honest, guys, I do not pay any attention 573 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 2: or I haven't really to poly market. The first time 574 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: I really became aware of all of that stuff was 575 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: during the election when it was saying Trump was gonna 576 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: win and I was like, no, look at all these numbers, 577 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: Harris is gonna win. And Harris gets smoked. And that's 578 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: when I was like, oh, maybe I should pay attention. 579 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: But then football happens, like it's in the way you 580 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: don't pay attention. So are you up to speed on 581 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: all this polymarket stuff? How much do you pay attention 582 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: to you? And do you think it usurps like the 583 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: gambling websites? 584 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: Okay, so I got to take it back a little 585 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: bit to explain what this is, because if you don't 586 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 4: know what these prediction markets are, I can't just like 587 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: jump in in the middle of the movie like the 588 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 4: So before the election, as you said, this exchange called 589 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 4: calshi Want, they ensued the CFTC and federal court for 590 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: the right to be able to offer elections betting in 591 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four election, and then they won and 592 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: so they offered that. And then this past January they 593 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 4: started dipping their toes into sports betting, and no one 594 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: really stopped them. They just bet on. All they put 595 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 4: up was who will win the Super Bowl? Will it 596 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 4: be the Chiefs or the Eagles? And so all of 597 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 4: a sudden that is now yielded way to They offer 598 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: player props, they offer point spreads, they offer. 599 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: Well hold on, let's back up. Let me so when 600 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: they say who's gonna win Chiefs or Eagles, you can 601 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: then go bet on who's gonna win. 602 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were offering moneyline bets on the super Bowl. 603 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So if they're not the house, right, uh huh, 604 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: talk me through that process. 605 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So who is the house? 606 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: The house on these gambling on these prediction markets is 607 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 4: usually like the Wall Street trading firms, So Susquehanna look 608 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 4: them up, sig. They are what's called like they provide 609 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: liquidity as they call it, to. 610 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: Calshie and Polymarket. 611 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 4: And so calsh is also now has integrated with Robinhood 612 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: and so you can go and bet on football games 613 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: in your Robinhood account. 614 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: And so your next question is, well, how is this legal? 615 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 4: And it's kind of dubious because they they say it is, 616 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 4: and the traditional casinos and sports books and the states 617 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 4: that take taxes from them say they're not. So calsh 618 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 4: and Robinhood and Crypto dot Com are getting sued in 619 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 4: a bunch of states. They've counter sued. It's tied up. 620 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: In court, but they remain at the moment in legal operation. 621 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: And so the other wrinkle in this is that the 622 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: Trump administration has signaled that go for it. You know, 623 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 4: Donald Trump Junior is a strategic advisor to Calshi and 624 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 4: an investor in poly Market. 625 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: They have they tried to. 626 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: Nominate someone to be in charge of the CFTC who 627 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: is on the Calshi board. The Winkle vas Twins of 628 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 4: all people got him booted off over some other gripe 629 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 4: that I don't even know the details of. But the 630 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 4: Trump administration is on the side of you should be 631 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 4: able to use Calshi and poly market to bet on 632 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 4: sports in any state. 633 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: I would assume there're somehow profiting, right, Well, I. 634 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: Told you Don Junior is a strategic advisor, Yeah, CALS, 635 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 4: so he's on their payroll, and then he's an investor 636 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 4: in poly Market, so. 637 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: It's very very up board. Yeah. 638 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: Okay, So now we get to fando on DraftKings. They 639 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: see it as wait. 640 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 4: A minute, we have to pay these exorbitant taxes in 641 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 4: states like Illinois and New York, we have to fight 642 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 4: through the gills for licensure. And now all of a sudden, 643 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: you can just bet on football in Robinhood when we're 644 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: not even allowed to be there. And so FanDuel partnered 645 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 4: with the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which is for where for 646 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 4: like hundreds of years you've been able to like bet 647 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 4: on commodities, like you know, I think that like trading places, 648 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 4: was set at the CME, or wasn't It was something 649 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 4: like it, and maybe it was the CBOE, but it's 650 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 4: like a commodities exchange, and FanDuel is partnering with them. 651 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 4: Draft Kings bought an exchange called Railbird Exchange, and they 652 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 4: are gonna be partnering with Polymarket to clear their trades. 653 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 4: And so what happened yesterday what Jason was referring to 654 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: is FanDuel and DraftKings pulled out of the American Gaming Association, 655 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 4: which is a gamble company lobbying firm, based on a 656 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 4: disagreement over prediction market. So the traditional casinos and sports 657 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 4: books don't want these pretios. No, hell no, I want 658 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 4: to keep what they have in the states where they 659 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 4: have them. But theandwe DraftKings are looking and seeing especially 660 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 4: California and Texas, and saying we want those populations betting 661 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 4: on sports, and we don't want Calsh and Robinhood to 662 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 4: pick up all of these customers before we even have 663 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 4: a chance to go there. And so cal she has 664 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 4: been offering and Robinhood have been offering football bets all 665 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 4: season in California legally. 666 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, so hold on, I'm looking at it right now, 667 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: just to give it for an example. Right, so I'm 668 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 2: looking offshore and currently for Thursday night football bills are 669 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: minus six against the Texans. So I'm on Calshi and 670 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 2: it says Buffalo. Now this is weird, have you I've 671 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: done zero this So but it says Buffalo wins by 672 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: over six and a half, so the line is inflated 673 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: from all. 674 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 4: Well, you don't know, you don't know what the veig 675 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 4: on the prices are, and you can well. 676 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 2: I just put in a basic one hundred dollars bet 677 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: to the Buffalo Bills win by over six and a 678 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: half points. I put one hundred dollars and it says 679 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: the payout is two hundred and five dollars if the 680 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: Bills cover six. 681 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 4: So it's minus six and a half plus one oh 682 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 4: five out of minus one ten. 683 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 2: Right, So I would say I don't want six and 684 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: a half, I want six. Now is that even a 685 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 2: lot of lines? Huh? 686 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 4: You can adjust the lines in kal sheet. 687 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 688 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 2: See, I'm not signed in. I don't have an account, 689 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: so I guess yeah, that's so it's not letting me 690 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: do that, it appears, but you can adjust and then okay, interesting, 691 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, this is one hundred thousand percent gambling. 692 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 4: Right, But they say it is if they they are 693 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 4: saying that it's like betting on a future's contract in commodities, 694 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 4: that's a like technicality that they're using. Basically, they're saying, like, 695 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 4: if you can bet on the price of corn, why 696 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 4: can't you bet on the result of a football game, 697 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 4: and so far they haven't been stopped. But it is 698 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 4: like an ongoing legal dispute in a number of states 699 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 4: that seems like it's going to reach the Supreme Court 700 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 4: and then we'll see HM. 701 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 2: So again, I'm not asking, I'm not telling the audience 702 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: they should, you know, do this. I obviously will pretty 703 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 2: as an aside, I refuse to give a cent to 704 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 2: Robin Hood. I don't feel like it's a good organization. 705 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: I feel like it's extremely dirty, so I will not 706 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: go there. I'm looking at calshi A. Let me ask you, Ryan, like, 707 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 2: what has been your experience with it? 708 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 4: My experience is that I've lost a little bit because 709 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 4: I had bet on Kamala, thinking like, okay, it's just 710 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 4: a bunch of like risk seeking men betting on Trump, 711 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 4: and I thought that maybe there was like a betting 712 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 4: edge on betting on Kamala for president, and I lost 713 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 4: as wrong. 714 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: But for sports, how about sports? 715 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 4: I've gone up and down. I think I'm probably net 716 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 4: a little bit down. I hit a big They had 717 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 4: the best line last week on Davis Allen to score 718 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 4: a touchdown for the Rams. So I put like, I 719 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 4: don't know, I think it was like one hundred and 720 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: forty three dollars at like probably about nine to one 721 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 4: last week on him, and he was like probably seven 722 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 4: and a half to one everywhere else on like FIANDOA 723 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 4: and DraftKings. So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna take 724 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 4: the extra bet here, but then I lost. I've lost 725 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 4: a good amount of that back since then on other 726 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 4: prices where they had the best line. So I think 727 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 4: I'm probably net down like a little bit on Calshi. 728 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 2: But it is interesting You're you're checking other markets compared 729 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: to Calshi, right. 730 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 4: I mean I have I have accounts on every legal 731 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 4: book in Illinois plus Calshi, and so I will always 732 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 4: take the best line because the lines can differ by 733 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 4: like twenty or thirty percent if you're if you're getting 734 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 4: bad prices and gambling. 735 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 3: You're gonna lose. 736 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 4: I much more bet markets than bet. My feel when 737 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 4: I'm when I'm betting on sports, it's it's am like 738 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 4: there are a lot of books that don't, frankly, let 739 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 4: me bet with them, Like Rivers doesn't let me bet 740 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 4: with them. 741 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,439 Speaker 3: ESPN doesn't let me bet with them. 742 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 2: If you win, they're gonna they're gonna cut you off? 743 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: Is that the same Does the same apply to. 744 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 4: CA on Calshi, they will not cut you off because 745 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: you're you're trading against sharks on Calshi. 746 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 3: They do not limit you. They have high limits. 747 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 2: So then that that's interesting. I gotta be honest, I 748 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 2: haven't talked this much about prediction markets with anyone ever. 749 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: And I mean the way you said it makes it 750 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: sound like, jeez, what why would I gamble? 751 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 4: You're betting against sig like these people are, Like, You're 752 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 4: you're betting against like a thirty two year old Yale 753 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 4: computer science major if your betting, if you're betting on Calshi, 754 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 4: like on the prediction market, it's like, I mean, I know, you. 755 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: Don't think you don't think those guys are betting NFL 756 00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 2: everywhere else too. 757 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 3: No, well, they're supplying the liquidity. 758 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 2: Like that's the fund you're talking about. 759 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're. 760 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 4: You're betting against the people who work for these sophisticated 761 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 4: Wall Street trading firms on cals versus you're betting against 762 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 4: bookmakers on the sports books. 763 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: Who built you know, casinos and towers in the desert. 764 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: I mean it's similar. Obviously, they have their algorithms as well. 765 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 4: Right, well, I think that like the FANO and DraftKings 766 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 4: are more based on they want to just get, like 767 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 4: they want to get the whales in there, and everyone 768 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 4: else is kind of like a filter in the net. 769 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: And you're saying Cal, she doesn't the same doesn't apply. 770 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 4: Cal she is probably more sophisticated and lines met. They 771 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 4: generally do have worse They usually have worse prices than 772 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 4: fandual and DraftKings, and that's because they know that they're 773 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 4: available and to a lot of people in this country 774 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 4: who don't have Fando and DraftKings available to them. 775 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 2: So maybe the move is to look at calshi, see 776 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: which way things are leaning, and then go elsewhere and 777 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 2: get and get. Yes, that seems like the smarter play. 778 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm not advocating any of this. I don't want anybody 779 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 2: to lose your shirt, but it definitely sounds like FANDOL 780 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 2: and DraftKings have their work cut out. 781 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 4: And by the way, poly market is like it's gonna 782 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 4: it's been any day now for a couple of months 783 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 4: where they're going to be live in the United States 784 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they're gonna be here too, 785 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 4: Like they have been not licensed in the US for 786 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 4: a number of years, but they regained their licensure and 787 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 4: they just haven't flipped the on switch. But that's coming. 788 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 4: It could like by the time this post, it could come. 789 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. 790 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 4: It could be tomorrow, it could be five months. But 791 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 4: Polymarket is about to enter the American gambling arms race 792 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 4: in a big way. 793 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 2: And we should add that Ryan and I probably both 794 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: agree that the way to accumulate some wealth and slow 795 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 2: and steady and smart investments and everything we just talked about, 796 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 2: and entertainment, you know, I do I think you would be. 797 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 4: I'm up like in like four or five years. I'm 798 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 4: up like low five figures betting on sports. So I 799 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 4: have made some money. But if I spent all the 800 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 4: time I have spent sports. 801 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 2: Betting like learning a business. 802 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: Ryan made more money than I've made. 803 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 4: This is fun type of like lucrative money making gambit 804 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 4: for me. 805 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't want people to think of gambling 806 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 2: is the way to get ahead, and that's just that's 807 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 2: not real, all right, Ryan Glass Neigel front off of Sports. 808 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: You got an NF Wait, you got an NFL winner 809 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 2: for this weekend? 810 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't really looked yet I'll give you, I'll 811 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 4: give you my. 812 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 3: My thing. 813 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 4: Every week, I bet on Ray Davis and Ty Johnson, 814 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 4: the two backup running backs on the Bills, to score 815 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 4: one touchdown and two touchdown. One of them have scored 816 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 4: in like the last like three or four weeks, maybe 817 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 4: like maybe three out of four, like Ty Johnson has two. 818 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 3: Ray Davis has won. 819 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 4: But each of them are priced at like eight or 820 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 4: ten to one every week to score a touchdown, and 821 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 4: then if you can get him at two touchdowns, it's 822 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 4: usually like one hundred or a one hundred and twenty 823 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 4: five to one. I have never hit that, but one 824 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 4: day it's gonna happen. 825 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, why so, is James Cook dying or something? 826 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 2: I have them on my fantasy No. 827 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 4: But like they they just they they're weird, Like they 828 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 4: put it. First of all, you know, Ty Johnson caught 829 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 4: that ball at fifty yard line and broke it for 830 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 4: a touchdown on Sunday. If like they and like he 831 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 4: earlier in the game before he scored that touchdown, he 832 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 4: got to carry from the three. He didn't score, but 833 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 4: if he had scored that one and then the butterfly 834 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 4: effect didn't happen, and then he did get that fifty 835 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 4: yard catch for a touchdown. I would have won nine 836 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 4: grand on a fifty dollars bet. I didn't, but it's 837 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 4: gonna happen one day. 838 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, there's like a lot You're gonna win the 839 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 2: lottery too. My uh my son and I both have 840 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 2: Cooking fantasy, so I feel like that would be kind 841 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 2: of counterproductive to be betting and hoping for those guys 842 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 2: to score. We need James Cook to win. 843 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 4: Davis also returns kicks, but like you gotta be careful 844 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 4: because some books count returns for touchdowns as the player, 845 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 4: some of them count them as the defense special teams. 846 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 4: So you got to make sure you know the rules 847 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 4: of what you're betting on these. 848 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 2: All right, Glass Beagle, good guy, good journalist. Keep up 849 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 2: the good work. 850 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 3: Ryan, Thanks Man, Thanks Jason, I appreciate you.