1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: It was like the game. This is to seal a 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: prayer from me. Y'all, the School of two Heavy feel 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: almost ever seen. Want to ask you a question. Let's 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: just keep a real straight shot with no Chaser. I'm 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: gonna get a little bit roughly rough, just you ain't 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: the windows sun not. I'm here for those who really 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: believed in the American process, all of us. You feel 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: straight Shot no Chaser? What's your Girl? Tesla figure Row 9 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: on the Black Effect podcast net Work the Work, What's 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Good Family? This is Tesla figure Row, the host of 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: straight Shot No Chaser. It has been a minute because 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: obviously we needed to get through the election and get 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: some results before I started interviewing again. And I could 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: not think of anyone better as the first guest returning 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: back from the election results. No one better that I 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: think we should probably talk into at this particular moment 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: is Bishop Talbert Swann. He represents, I would say, and 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: he can certainly correct me. I would say the left 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: side of politics, and a lot of folks say that 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: the left side is the right side. So those of 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: you who have listened to the podcast, you know I 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: do my best to bring both prospectives from the right, 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: the left, independent, progressive also try to bring every voice 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: to the table, passes, politicians, gamesters, you name it. And 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: so today I want to get right into it with 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: Bishop Swan and welcome him to the show. Thank you, 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: Bishop for joining me, Thanks for having me deladded to 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: be here. Thank you so much. You seem so quiet 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: compared to how I've always seen you. I'm a I'm 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: a forced extrovert. I'm actually an introvert, but because of 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: my my position as a pastor and some other public roles, 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm kind of forced to be out there it. When 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: you catch me one on one, I'm the quiet guy 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: standing in the corner, really, and I wouldn't have thrown that. Yeah, 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: but when you get in, when you when you get loud, 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: you definitely you get with it. So I wouldn't have 37 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: thought you were just quiet in the corner. That's interesting. 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on to just get straight 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: to it. You know, I know you have been a 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: very very vocal advocate for or against, you know, the 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: President Trump administration. You have certainly made your position known publicly, 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: which is one of the criticisms that I have with 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot of ministers that hide under the pews when 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: it's time to speak up, even if I disagree with 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: your position, even if we don't have the you know, 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: the same ideology. And I'm not talking about you, per se. 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying anybody, you know. I've had Pastor Scott 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: on the show before, which obviously he represents, you know, 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: the Trump side of things. But I just love pastors, bishops, 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: ministers who stand firm, you know, so that way we 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: don't have to be confused about where you stand. And 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: I love you know, tying in politics to uh scripture 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: references on how we should be moving if you are 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: a Christian, our child of God. I do say that 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times. I don't think politics shouldn't necessarily 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: mix with the church in a lot of ways, because 57 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: I've seen that abused. But it is certainly necessary to 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: talk about when you move and hurting people, the least 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: of these those who really need the help that politics 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: is designed to help. I have been disappointed to see 61 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: the lack of leadership in the movement from ministers and 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: bishops and so forth. There's a lot that I a 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: lot of folks that I could name, but when I 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: think of at least two, I think of you and 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Jamal Bryant Pass to Jamal Bryant, which are two very 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: vocal ministers from the left side of things, and then 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: also Bishop Barbara. But you get petty with them, you 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: get a little bit. You speak a different language. You know, 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: the Bible said they'll send people with all types of languages, 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: and you speak a language that I believe it is 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: so necessary and not petty in a bad way, but 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: petty in a good way. You clap back, you respond back. 73 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: You don't just lay down and roll over and take 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: the high road. And that was really, you know what 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: made me interested in you? What made you? And I 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: know you've always been involved. I know you've always done 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: social justice advocacy protests. You this is certainly not your 78 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: first rodeo, But what is it about the Trump administration 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: that made you feel that it was necessary to take 80 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: it up another notch? And are you representing the church 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: when you're doing that per se because I see people 82 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: who criticize you. You know, bishops shouldn't say this and 83 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do that. So when you're out there speaking, 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: particularly on Twitter, are you a representative of the church 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: yourself or just speaking of because it's the right thing 86 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: to do. Well, you know, the the church itself doesn't 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: necessarily take a position on particular candidates, it does take 88 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: a position on issues of concern. So from that perspective, 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: when I talk about the need for justice and fighting 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: against evil, that is representative of what the Church ought 91 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: to be doing. But ultimately, you know, as a Christian 92 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: are representing the kingdom. I'm representing myself as a black 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: man in America speaking out on behalf of the oppressed. Uh. 94 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, when when when I read Scripture, I always 95 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: start with what I call Jesus's entrance into his public 96 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: ministry in Luke chapter four, after he's baptized by John 97 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: and he's attempted in the wilderness, he goes into the 98 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: temple and he picks up the book and he reads. 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: He says, the spirit of the Lord is upon me. 100 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: He's annointed me to preach good tidings to the poor, 101 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: and he names certain demographic groups. He talks about the poor, 102 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: the broken hearted, the sick, the imprisoned, and the oppressed. 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: And this is how he starts his ministry. And then 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: he spends the next three and a half years fighting 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: for empowering and inspiring those demographic groups. So I don't 106 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: understand ministry, whether it's on the left or the right. 107 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Anyone who calls himself a follower of Christ who can 108 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: ignore the plight of these demographics that Christ said he 109 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: was called for is the lay James Cone who said, uh, 110 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: something that really is the foundation of my ministry. He said, 111 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: any authentic theology must affirm that God is on the 112 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: side of the oppressed. And so when we see people 113 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: being mistreated, when we see governments acting in a manner 114 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: that is not in the best interests of the people, 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: it is incumbent upon leaders from the faith community, particularly 116 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: those who call ourselves Christians, to speak out on their behalf. 117 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: That's what Christ would do. So how do we represent 118 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: Christ if we then refuse to support those that Christ 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: would support um And so I just see what I do, 120 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: whether it's on Twitter, whether it's at a protest, whether 121 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: it's my preaching from the pulpit, my advocacy through then 122 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: double a CP, or wherever I see it as an 123 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: extension of the ministry I've been called to do as 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: a Christian, and for me to do anything less, I'd 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: be abdicating my responsibility. So basically, what you're saying is 126 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: is that the ministry of christis identity politics. You you 127 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: broke down demographics and where people fit in that demographics 128 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: because you know, we're here a lot from the conservative 129 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: side of things that you know, identity politics, it's all. 130 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: But what you're saying is it is necessary two identify 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: certain demographics that are in the most need. Is is 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: that what I what I'm hearing from you and that 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: and that relates to politics. Yeah, well, basically they've been 134 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: identified by our pressures already. You know that the irony 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: of white conservative males complaining about identity politics is mind boggling. 136 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: When you you you slaughtered Native American because of their identity, 137 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: You enslaved Africans because of their identity, You oppressed women 138 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: because of their identity. You propped yourselves up as being 139 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: superior because of your identity. So the entire history of 140 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: America was built on identity politics. Who was subjugated, who 141 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: was oppressed, who was mistreated, and then who was propped 142 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: up as superior and received privilege was all based on identity. 143 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: So for white men who created identity politics to talk 144 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: about their disdain for identity politics is hypocrisy on steroids 145 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: um so. So basically, yes, Jesus identified those you know, 146 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: who were being mistreated and subjugated and and the humanized 147 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: and lifted them up and empowered them and inspired them 148 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: and rebuked those that mistreated them. We see a lot 149 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: of picking and choosing and politics. You know, we pick 150 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: out what we like, and we see that in the 151 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: Bible as well. We pick out scriptures that work for us, 152 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: and then we pick out the ones that necessarily don't. 153 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: And I always say that, and I am independent, and 154 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: I leaned left, but there's conservative values that I grew 155 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: up on. I think most people who especially if they 156 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: had parents from the baby boomer age and grandparents from 157 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: the depression age, you grew up at least with some 158 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: conservative values, which is I went to churchill every other weekend. 159 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: I had one side of the family that did more 160 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: sinning than the other. So one weekend I was over 161 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: there in the streets, and then the next weekend I 162 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: was at my grandmother's house, who's eighty nine, my only 163 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: living surviving from my From my family, it was church, 164 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: it was Sunday School. It was BTU. What people don't 165 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: know BTU is, but as evening service. It was three 166 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: o'clock service, you know, it was that was the foundation. 167 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: And so when I look at that as conservative values, 168 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: and I look at how conservative she was with her money, 169 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: her fiscal responsibility, I was so excited because for the 170 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: very first time, my grandmother actually let me pay for 171 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: something for her, you know, I feel being that she's 172 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. You know, I said, grandmother, let 173 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: me pay for your property tax. She said, oh, you 174 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: don't want me to sit on my own bottom, that 175 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: was a favorite phrase. And I said, well, I think 176 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: you've been sitting on your bottom for eighty nine years. 177 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Let me sit on these taxes for you, just this 178 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: one time. That's the first time she's ever allowed or 179 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: took anything from her children, our grandchildren. So when I 180 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: look at that conservative mindset's spend less, you know, and 181 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: say more black folks identify with that. But because the 182 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: conservative movement, to me, has been co opt and and 183 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: taken into a direction that we can and may have 184 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: always been in that direction, I'm gonna let you respond 185 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: to that. But black folks can't see themselves in that 186 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: movement because in that movement it seems to and some 187 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: would say is not seems to forget the individuals that 188 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: you're talking about. But I want to ask you when 189 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: people say, well, what about because they hold onto you know, 190 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: it's about faith and family, and that's why I gave 191 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: that story about faith and family. And then and you know, 192 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: abortion and if you're a real Christian you should be 193 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: pro life or the same sex marriage. What is your 194 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: response to conservatives that say that there's no way that 195 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: you could serve the same God that they do and 196 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: and not take a position on pro life. So I 197 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: want to know your answers that and explain how I 198 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: don't have to agree with everything on the left side, 199 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: just like I don't agree with everything on the right side. 200 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: It is about what you're most in line with. So 201 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: can you break that down for for those other the list? 202 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely so. So basically, what what the right has done 203 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: from from a Christian perspective is try to make African 204 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: American Christians feel guilty in terms of their theological beliefs 205 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: or doctrinal beliefs around abortion, same sex marriage. They have 206 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: chosen what I call whig issues to say that unless 207 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: you've vote Republican, unless you vote conservative, you are violating 208 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: God's law regarding these important issues and Sadly, they have 209 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: some black folks who have brought into that are pushback 210 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: against that is, first of all, their pro life stance 211 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: is not truly pro life, it's anti abortion because you 212 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: cannot be pro life and then tout the death penalty, 213 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: justify the extra judicial murder of black people every time 214 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: a cop kills an unarmed black person, ignore the infant 215 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: mortality rate, try to take health care away from millions 216 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: of people who without it would be literally fighting for 217 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: their life because they don't have the medicine and the 218 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: care to keep them alive. So on every other front, 219 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: you have no problem with black and brown people dying, 220 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: but you want them to be born only to be 221 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: born into an America. Of that, you then push policies 222 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: that say we're not going to provide wick, we're not 223 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: going to provide health care um. And then you demonize 224 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: those same mothers that you want to have those children 225 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: once those children come into the world as being irresponsible 226 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: and you send them out on their own. They're not 227 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: truly pro life. And then the other thing is how 228 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: do you choose those two issues? But then you ignore 229 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: what the Bible says about how we treat the poor, 230 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: how we treat the stranger, how we treat the widows. 231 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: You know, I always say it like this. They major 232 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: in what the Bible miners in, and they minor and 233 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: what the Bible majors in. You can find one reference 234 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: in the Bible that indirectly talks about abortion. You can 235 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: find about four references in the Bible that deals with 236 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: the issue of homosexuality. You can find over two thousand 237 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: references that deal with how we treat the poor. You 238 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: can find out with two thousand references that deal with 239 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: the issue of justice. Yet these same folks will stand 240 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: up and say social justice is antithetical to Christianity, even 241 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: though the theme of justice is interwoven throughout the Old 242 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: and the New Testament over two thousand times. So how 243 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: is it that you can spend so much time speaking 244 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: to what the Bible speaks to so little of, and 245 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: some of which Jesus never spoke of at all, and 246 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: then spend very little time on what the Bible spoke 247 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of and what Jesus dedicated his life for. 248 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: Is complete hypocrisy. And so I tell black folks who 249 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: are Christian, listen, we are. We vote based on who 250 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: best represents our values and our concerns. Neither political party, 251 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: and no candidate unless it's yourself or Jesus running for office, 252 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: is going to align completely with what you believe. So 253 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: you have to take the ones who who who best 254 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: fit the majority of what you believe in. And I'm 255 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: not going to vote for somebody simply based on where 256 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: they stand on two issues, but they have proven over 257 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: and over again that they are against what's in the 258 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: best interests of my people. So a Donald Trump, who, 259 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: first of all, we don't know that he's pro life 260 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: because he's flip flopped on that issue a hundred times. 261 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: We don't know where he stands uh in terms of 262 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: the same sex marriage or gay rights because he's flip 263 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: flopped on that issue. He says whatever is convenient um. 264 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: But then when you look at the fact that he's 265 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: an a viwed white supremacist, he's he's anti black um. 266 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: His policies are detrimental um to black and brown people. 267 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: How do we vote for a guy based on those 268 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: two issues on the basis of our Christie anity and 269 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: ignore everything else. It just doesn't jive, it doesn't fit, 270 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't go together at all. Well, so what do 271 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: you say then two people that say, you know, Joe 272 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: Biden has also you know, been anti black, not just 273 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the words out of his mouth, but the actual actions 274 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: that he has put policies in place. We all know 275 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: about the crime Bill, but in segregation and so forth, 276 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: and has touted white segregates and a lot of his 277 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: speeches and things that he said on the floor, and 278 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: when we look at his record in the last forty 279 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: five plus years, all of that has not always been 280 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: favorable to black people. So what do you say? And 281 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: as you know, Malcolm Kes talked about the white dixiecrat, 282 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, so what do you say to those that say, okay, well, 283 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: if you want to compare it to Trump, what about 284 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden? I think I got that more than anything else. 285 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: You know, those of us are in the public space, 286 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: what about Joe Biden? And then if you say something 287 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: about that, Joe Biden, what about Trump? I mean, we 288 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: were in the biggest what about Lesser of two Evils 289 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: conversation I hope will be the last for my adult 290 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: life because it was such a it was a comparing 291 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: contrast in presentation on leadership, presentation on uh, you know, 292 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden obviously has deep connections to the black community. 293 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: But when you go through, when you look at policy, 294 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: who actually had the pen, you know, to to to 295 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: do things that have damaged our community. We have to 296 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: be honestly say that Joe Biden fell on the majority 297 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: of those things. And and and that has to do with 298 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: the fact that he was in office for forty seven years. 299 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: I would hate to see what what Trump's record would 300 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: look like if he was in office, would look like 301 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: if he's in for four more. So what do you 302 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: say to that? When people say, well, what about Joe Biden? 303 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is just as racist? What is your answer 304 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: to them? Listen, I've been challenged so many times by 305 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: our woke brothers and sisters. Uh, here he is. He's 306 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: anti Trump. He never says anything about Biden. They obviously 307 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: didn't check the record because I've always been critical of 308 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: Biden's record. I mean, I've done the entire radio programs 309 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: talking about the Crime Bill and criticizing the fact that 310 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: he would not repudiate it and was still defending it 311 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: even as he was campaigning for president. I critiqued Kamala 312 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: Harris's record as as a district attorney and as an 313 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: attorney General. So I I completely admit that his record 314 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: is problemaatic. The crime Bill is problematic. The reality is 315 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: generations of black people have been disenfranchised and hurt. Our 316 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: community has been hurt because of twenty five years of 317 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: policies um that emanated from this crime bill. He said 318 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: early on that it wasn't the crime Bill that caused 319 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: mass incarceration. Uh, it was the state courts. And and 320 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: we we broke that down. That the crime Bill incentivized 321 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: the states to do harsher sent us is longer sentences 322 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: and gave them billions of dollars to build prison and 323 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: and the incarceration rate doubled within ten years of the 324 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: Crime Bill being passed. All of that is problematic, definitely. So. 325 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: But then when you look at where we are right now, 326 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: when you look at the emboldening of racists in America, 327 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: when you look at the increase in hate crimes, when 328 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: you look at a Supreme Court that now has a 329 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: major six to three conservative majority that is poised to 330 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: strike down civil rights games that we've had over the 331 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: last fifty plus years, and the potential that the next 332 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: president will be able to appoint one, maybe two more 333 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices. So imagine that six three going to 334 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: seven to two or eight to one, something that will 335 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: last literally for the next few generations. Trump represented an 336 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: existential threat, not just to America, because the reality is 337 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: that whenever White America has a cold, Black America has pneumonia. 338 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: And he represents an existential danger to America and definitely 339 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: a danger to black people. And we could not afford 340 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: for this man to stay in office for another four years. 341 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: He's completely remade the courts already. Mrs McConnell is reopening 342 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the Senate right now to confirm some more Trump justices. 343 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: And so we have conservative, young white men who are 344 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: going to serve a lifetime on these courts, that are 345 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: that are going to be interpreting laws and and doing 346 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: things for generations to come. We couldn't afford another Trump. 347 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: And so when you look at Biden, his personal record 348 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: is problematic, but the reality is he is going to 349 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: be held to account. Not only will he be held 350 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: to account, but so he is going to be going 351 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: along with a platform that is much more palatable to 352 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: black people than the Republican platform. He at least has 353 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: a left wing, a progressive wing of his own party 354 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: that is going to be challenging him. Nobody in the 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Republican Party has the intestine affortitude to challenge Trump. The 356 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Republican Party is the party of Trump, so there are 357 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: no checks and balances within that party. There's no one 358 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: who has the guts to say to Donald Trump, you 359 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: need to stop this, or you need to stop that. 360 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: There's no one who will stand up to him. On 361 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: at least on the Democratic side, we have the progressive 362 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: wing of the party who will stand up to Biden, 363 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: you know, who will hold him accountable. And so, like 364 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: you said before, the conversation is about the lass of 365 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: two evils. Unfortunately, that's where black and brown people find 366 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: themselves in in most races, and in this particular race. Yeah, 367 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: we had to choose the lesser of two evil and 368 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is definitely far less of a threat to 369 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: us than Donald Trump represented. That was interesting how you 370 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: put that, and I know people needed to hear it, 371 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: just like you said when you talked about at least 372 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: there's you know, someone within the party, are a group 373 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: of folks within the party that will challenge because that 374 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: the way you framed it, I don't think people look 375 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: at it that way. Um so, I mean, think about it, 376 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: even now with him not conceding office, having the g 377 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: s A withhold funds from a Biden's transition team, nobody 378 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party is standing up and say, hey, man, 379 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: you need to give this up and let's have a 380 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: smooth transition of power. They're all afraid of him. Could 381 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: you see this happening on the Democratic side. No. By contrast, 382 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton was poised to launch a legal fight 383 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: in Barack Obama called her and said, don't do it 384 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: for the benefit of America. Concede. She had someone within 385 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: the party willing to check her. That does not happen 386 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: on the Republican side. And do you think we always 387 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: get that right on the left side, Because when you 388 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: mentioned Hillary Clinton, for example, one of the things that 389 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people had issue with and and even 390 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: I did, was that she was the chosen one. And 391 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: just for clarity for those listening, I supported Hillary Clinton 392 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: when she ran against Barack Obama when she came out 393 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: the first time. But I didn't like in two thousand 394 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: and sixteen, you know, only two or three people people 395 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: were basically told to sit down and let's just be 396 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: honest about it. So do you do you think we 397 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: always I know you probably don't, but you will admit 398 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: that we don't always get this checks and balanced thing 399 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: right either, right, right. There are times that that we 400 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: don't get that right, and there are times in which 401 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: there is an anointed one that that that we're told 402 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: that we need to walk and lock step with UH 403 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: and support. I don't think we saw that this past election. 404 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: We we had a large cadre of individuals to choose 405 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: from who were thoroughly vetted throughout the primary process until 406 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: we finally got whittled down to a particular candidate. And 407 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened that way this time. But the 408 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: reality is, black folks, what we've got to do, uh As, 409 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: We've got to create a coalition Black folks, Detainos, Native Americans, 410 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, non white folks have got to have a 411 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: coalition where we hold the Democrats account because without us, 412 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: they don't win. The reality is this, white women voted Republican, 413 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: voted for Trump, alright, nearly six white men. Well, so 414 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: the majority of white folks are going to vote for 415 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: the Republican nominee. No matter how you slice it, Democrats 416 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: cannot win without us and therefore they have a responsibility 417 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: to be accountable to us. One thing, I don't want 418 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: to interrupt you, but break who is us, because I 419 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: don't want to it into that. But I'm talking primarily 420 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: about black folk. But but but you have to put 421 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: in there because they couldn't do it just with black folks, 422 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: would you know, black folk, Latinos, and other non white folks. 423 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: Jamal Bryant put it like this, He said, Joe Biden 424 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: did something that no president has ever done, not even 425 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: Barack Obama the other night when he thanked black people 426 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: in particular, and then he said he thanked them for 427 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: having us back, and then said, and I'll have your back. 428 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: So he admitted publicly, I could not be here without you. 429 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: And so I owe you. And we've got to make 430 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: sure that we cash in on that I owe you. 431 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: Speaking of cash in, because you mentioned a coalition, there's 432 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: concerns out there that we're always a part of the coalition. 433 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: But the coalition, the folks, and the coalition are worried 434 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: about their own folks. Uh, you know, Hispanics are concerned 435 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: about Hispanics. Asian Americans are concerned about Asian Americans, those 436 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: other non white groups. It seems that black people are 437 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: always showing up for the team's sport, but then when 438 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: it's time, when it's solo dolo time, nobody's showing up 439 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: for us, and that is how we end up at 440 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. Now, I will say this 441 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: Bishop that I think it is important that we have 442 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: people in different spaces that do different things, you know, 443 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: to build those coalitions. I am not anti coalition at all. 444 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: My concern and what I try to do is to 445 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: make sure that black people are also comfortable with standing 446 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: for black issues, even if we have to stand for ourselves. 447 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: Obviously we know the data. We can't just wait for 448 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: black foot we don't. I mean, obviously we don't have 449 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the population to just completely you know, elected president that 450 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: will only work for the good of black people. I 451 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: think we like to think that that's possible, but obviously 452 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: the president has to serve everybody. But how do we 453 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: make sure that we get that slice of the pie 454 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: If every time we go to cut the pie, it 455 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: gets smaller and smaller and smaller because of this big 456 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: tent everybody coalition type thing, and we find ourselves at 457 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: the bottom. When we talk about minority businesses, we find 458 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: women and Hispanics and Asians and so many others that 459 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: benefit from that because they have the resources to access 460 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: to capital, the things that I just don't have as 461 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: a black woman. So how do we how do we 462 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: hold him accountable for that and and not keep getting 463 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: excluded and put out the game because of this quote 464 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: unquote coalition. Yeah, we've got to hold not only the president, 465 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: We've got to hold black elected officials accountable for standing 466 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: up for us. See. See what happens far too often 467 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: is our own people, UH will get into office and 468 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: then they will be reticent to speak specifically on behalf 469 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: of us. UM. The main problem that many folks black 470 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: folks have with the Democrat Party, and there's legitimacy to 471 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: their grievance. When when we look at some who were 472 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: saying don't vote, when we look at some who said 473 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote Republican UM as a rebuke to the 474 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Democrat Party, you have to at the very least, UH 475 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: look at the legitimacy of their complaint in that Democrats 476 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: can have specific a specific policy agenda for the lgbt 477 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Q community, for the Jewish community, for immigrants, UH, for DOCTA, 478 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: UH you know, for hunchbacks and one legged people. But 479 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: then when it comes to a specific agenda for black people, 480 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: it's always a rising tide lifts all boats. Philosophy that no, 481 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: this isn't specifically for black people, but black people will 482 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: benefit to you know, along with everybody else. And we're saying, no, 483 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: we don't want to benefit too. We want a an 484 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: agenda that benefits us. We want to have a real 485 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: conversation UM about uh, what it is that you need 486 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: to do um for black people. We don't want to 487 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: study reparations, you know, it's old. Just figure out how 488 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna do with it. I mean, the reality is 489 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: when COVID hit and white folks were affected by COVID, 490 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: you found two trillion dollars under a mattress somewhere. So 491 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: the money is there. You just have to have the 492 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: resolve to do something about it. So this whole thing 493 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: about passing something to study reparations that frustrates black people 494 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: and rightfully sold. And so we we definitely need to 495 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: hold Democrats accountable and and many feel like we do 496 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: it by our vote and that if if the Republicans 497 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: keep on winning long enough, maybe the Democrats to turn 498 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: around and say, Okay, black people, what do we need 499 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: to do in order to to to win you back? 500 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: Is it that we need to start a third party 501 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: that will be powerful enough to negotiate but whatever. I 502 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: don't know what the answer is, but I do know 503 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: that that is that is fueling the frustration that black 504 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: people have that for the last sixty years we have 505 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: been your most loyal constituency, that every time we talk 506 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: about a black agenda, it's always let's wait till after 507 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: the election, or or it's always coupled in with benefits 508 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: from some other non white group that might help us 509 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: as well. What's your thoughts on you know, reparation. Uh, 510 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of folks see it as just 511 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: getting a check and not all of the components that 512 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: go with building communities, which of course a lot of 513 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: those out there now where they say quote unquote minority communities, 514 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: disadvantages communities, poor communities, which again is not directly affecting 515 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: when we talk about black communities. But again, let's be logical. 516 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Everybody in the quote unquote black community may not be black. 517 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, you have the Spanish that live in that area, 518 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: you have non whites that live in the hood too. 519 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: If we're just gonna say when I say the hood, 520 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean a bad place. I'm just talking 521 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: about we're black people. The majority the black people live. 522 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: I live in a city that's black, and it is 523 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: no it is a middle class city, but middle class 524 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: Black middle class is still not called up to white 525 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: middle class. So are you along the lines of the 526 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: money being distributed, uh in cash form in addition to 527 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: the resources are are you? Are you one of those 528 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: those folks that say, as long as we're putting the 529 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: resources and it it directly benefits the descendants of those 530 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: who are enslaved, that's just as good. Where's your thought 531 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: on that? Because when we say study, I don't want to. 532 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: I agree that study in in the politicians mind is withholding. 533 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: But do you think we have got to a clear 534 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: understanding of what you know as a whole? What is 535 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: it that we're asking for? Because I hear people with 536 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: different positions, So what what's your thoughts on that? I 537 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: believe it it's two separate issues. So, and I don't 538 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: want to juxtapose the plight of black people in a 539 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: nation that is still hampered by systemic racism with what 540 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: is historically old to us for years of uncompensated labor. 541 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: I believe that that addressing the disparities that exist in 542 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: every fashion of American society, whether it's the criminal justice system, 543 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: whether it's in healthcare, whether it's in jobs and opportunity, 544 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: whether it's in fair housing, that needs to be done 545 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: separate and apart from reparations. And I don't want to 546 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: hear a conversation about if we do this, this is 547 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: a form of reparation. No, don't tell me that. If 548 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: we do what we ought to be doing in a 549 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: society that is supposed to be fair and just for 550 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: everybody that lives in it, it's reparations. No, it's what 551 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: you ought to be doing. Now. When it comes to reparations, 552 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: people have critiqued and criticized and said, listen, if you 553 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: give black folks a check, if you give them a 554 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: lot of sums of money, they're gonna go out and 555 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: buy ours. They're gonna go out and do this, They're 556 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna go out and do that. Well, here's my thing. 557 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: It ain't none of your business what I do with 558 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: my money. If you owe me some money, okay, if 559 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: I worked for you, or if my grandfather, great grandfather 560 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: worked for you for extra number of years, and and 561 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: there's an accumulation that you owe to me. It's not 562 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: up to you to tell me what I can and 563 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: can't do with that, what I should or shouldn't do it. 564 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: That's none of your business. They didn't tell Native Americans 565 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: what to do with reparations. They didn't tell the descendants 566 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: of the Japanese that they held in internment camps in 567 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: World War Two what to do with the money when 568 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: they gave them reparations. It's only when it comes to 569 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: black people do we start critiquing or our spending habits 570 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: and what we might do with the money, and why 571 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: you shouldn't give it to us. No, if you owe 572 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: me money and me my money, now we can have 573 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: the conversation among ourselves on how do we pull our resources, 574 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: how do we invest, how do we best utilize any 575 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: resources that we received to benefit the black community. That's 576 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: a conversation we can have ourselves. But nobody who owes 577 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: me money has the right to stick stand on me 578 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: and tell me what to do with it once I 579 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: get it. And why do you think black people, Because 580 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: it's a lot of black people that say that too. 581 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Do you think, like just from the ministering you, is 582 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: it pain talking when black folks say that you don't 583 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: want other black folks to benefit? What it is it jealousy? 584 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: Is it envy? Is it I only want to be 585 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: the only one at the top. Why do you think 586 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: that is that some of the biggest distractors of reparations? 587 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: It's black folks because you know they love trying to say, well, 588 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: black people agreed to just like what they did with 589 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: the crime being oh what black people told Biden to 590 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: do it? Well, that's okay. You got black folks who 591 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: are right and wrong at the same time. And again 592 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: kind of going back to that, not to rehash, but 593 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: the issue with Biden was publicly admitting that it was 594 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: a problem and and how do we move forward instead 595 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: of just being stubborn. But going back to the reparations conversation, 596 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: why do you think it is that black people that 597 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: they're some of the biggest proponents. It would never happen. 598 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. You you have to get a 599 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: house in the Congress, you know, the House and the 600 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: Senate on board, which is true, but a lot of folks, 601 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's because they're questioning the political strategy. 602 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: I think some people just don't want to see other 603 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: black people have the money. Why do you think that is? Yeah, 604 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a combination of this Stockholm syndrome, 605 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: internalized oppression syndrome that we have as a people, that 606 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: we start agreeing with the rhetoric and the narrative of 607 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: our pressure, and we start looking upon ourselves as they 608 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: look upon us. And so then you have these black 609 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: folks who look at us with disdain and say what 610 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: we would or wouldn't do it, and why we should 611 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: or shouldn't get something. I saw the other day James 612 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: Clyburne being interviewed, and they asked them, what what what 613 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: do you want from the Biden administration for South Carolinians 614 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: delivering to him that victory in the primaries that really 615 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: sent him on the road towards the presidency. What do 616 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: you want for black people delivering to him this victory? 617 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: And the president? He said, I don't want anything, and 618 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: and and and I was shocked by that, not really shocked. 619 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: Did you really want? But but you know, I'm like, 620 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: how do you, as a black man sit there and 621 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: say I don't want nothing. You don't want anything, you know, 622 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: And and there are many of us that think along 623 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: those lines that, oh, forget about it, that was a 624 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: long time ago. You know, we shouldn't be worried about 625 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I don't understand that concept because 626 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't apply to anyone else. I mean, to this day, 627 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: they are still hunting down Nazi war criminals. Okay, And 628 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: in America. You know, if if you ever get go 629 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: out and get the book without a Sanctuary, and you 630 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: you look at the picture years of black folks being 631 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: lynched and hung and white folks sitting around roast and 632 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: marshmallows with their kids and stuff. They could have a 633 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: long time ago identified some of those criminals and brought 634 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: them to justice. But we don't do that in America 635 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to black people. And we've got to 636 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: stop repeating the narrative of our oppressure. We are old. 637 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: We we we worked all those years without compensation. Uh. 638 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: Then we worked another number of years uh share cropping. Um. 639 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Then we worked another number of other years getting wages 640 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: that weren't fair. I mean, we're we're old, way above 641 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: the forty acres in the mule at this time, and 642 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: The bottom line is America needs to pay black people 643 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: what we're old. Without a conversation about what we're gonna 644 00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: do with it, that's none of your business. What do 645 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: we do then, because it's leaders, you know, like Jim 646 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: Claiburne who just have that position. And I don't see 647 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: him changing much, you know, usually once some I don't 648 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: know how old he is, but I would assume he's 649 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: either seventy or close to maybe even older. What do 650 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: we do then? At this point? So we got Trump out, okay, 651 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: allegedly I believe he'll be out because there's something called 652 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: the Secret Service that will remove him. Uh So we 653 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: got Rump out and and if and and if they 654 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: don't want to do it, they call me and some 655 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: of the brothers from the hood problem no problem going 656 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: up there moving their mind. So I guess what do 657 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: we First of all, do you think pastors? And this 658 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: is probably too quick of an long form answer, but 659 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make it work within the time 660 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: we have with with you. Our pastors just weak are 661 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: where's the backbone of the pastors and the bishops. And 662 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: because it's a lot of selling out going there there too, 663 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: isn't just Jim clappern when we talked about the Faith 664 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: Based Initiative and how George Bush got elected, I guess, 665 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: how do we go from here? Where are the leaders? 666 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: I tell people that I'm excited that there's not one 667 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: or two or three leaders because it keeps people guessing 668 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: and moving, and you have so many different voices. It's 669 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 1: not the I think one reason why they like referring 670 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: back to m l K, it's because a lot of 671 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: white folks feel comfortable having a Negro leader. You know 672 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: that they could say, well, you know, if m l 673 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: K tell them to do X, y Z, it's all 674 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: good and thee sanitized mL K, that's exactly right. And 675 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: then but if you look at m l K strategy 676 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: of making you know, getting the church to be a 677 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: voting block and using that power to accomplish civil rights games, 678 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. But now I see a 679 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: lot of ministers that use their that voting block or 680 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: that access to the black voter as a pimp game. 681 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: What mL K intended for this for it to be 682 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: has been flipped. And we can tell because how many 683 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: pastors are really speaking up on any of these issues. 684 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: So we there is an issue with the church obviously, 685 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: and then you have the folks who say, hey, you 686 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: even shouldn't even be a Christian because you just do 687 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: a number serving a white man and white supremacy and 688 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: the Bible's on white supremacy. So you have that conversation 689 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: out there. You know, what do we do Bishop, how 690 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: do we really make these demands as black for for 691 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: black folks and and how do we keep this energy 692 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: going because a lot of pope folks, especially the quote 693 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: unquote woke, they just want to Trump out so they 694 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 1: can go back to sleep. People. Trump made people very uncomfortable, 695 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: and I believe that that was uncomfortable. That was necessary, 696 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: not saying Trump wasn't necessary, but we needed something to 697 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: shake folks up, to shake up the system, to get 698 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: people to pay attention. People that I have never talked 699 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: to politics about said they were never interested in politics, 700 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to know at all. Because of Trump and 701 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: him making it a daily reality show, people tapped in, 702 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: and they tapped in in a way that I've never seen. 703 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,959 Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that they still stay 704 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: engaged in the process. So how do we do that. 705 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: Now that things will calm down, at least we won't 706 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: have a you know, a president on Twitter every single day. 707 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: How do we capture that and keep that momentum going? 708 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: And then what do we do next? I wrote a 709 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: piece that dealt with the fact that Trump is a 710 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: symptom of a pre existing condition in America. That Trump 711 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: wasn't the problem. He was the manifestation of a greater 712 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: problem that we've always had. And I've always challenged our 713 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: so called white allies that all of a sudden got 714 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: woke and became resistors when Trump got into office to 715 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: not just be anti Trump. I'm anti white supremacy, anti 716 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: black bigotry and racism. You've got to be that too. 717 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: Just being anti Trump doesn't cut it, because at the 718 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: end of the day, even when Trump is gone, extra 719 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: judicial murder of black people will continue, disparities that exist 720 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: in America will continue. And and I told white folks 721 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: that your apathy in the midst of all of this 722 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: that was going on during Obama's administration, that was going 723 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: on during Bushes administration, your apathy is what created of 724 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So that's the first point we gotta get to, 725 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: is this, This fight for justice has to live beyond Trump. 726 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: When it comes to black preachers and the faith community. 727 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: First of all, we who are preachers have to hold 728 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: each other accountable. I'm in trouble in my city now. 729 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: I gotta hold Pastor's council upset with me because I 730 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: wrote a piece that challenge of their apathy and their 731 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: quietness in the midst of police brutality running rampant in 732 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: our city. We've got to hold each other accountable. But 733 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: ultimately it's the people who sit in those pews who 734 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: have to hold their leaders accountable. It's a shame before 735 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: God that in my city, when people deal with police 736 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: brutality and discrimination issues, they will go to such and 737 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: such Baptist church, such and such, a and me church, 738 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: such and such Pentecostal Church of the World with a 739 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: pastor that they pay tithes to and give money on 740 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: his anniversary and all that stuff. But then they will 741 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: come knock on my door when they need help with 742 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: those issues. And the first thing I asked him is 743 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: who's your pastor? That's right? And and and how come 744 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: he's not helping you? You know, with these particular issues 745 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: of concern. We've got to hold each other accountable. And 746 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: see the problem is the church has sold itself out 747 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: and caught a case of laryngitis. The prophetic voice of 748 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: the church has been muted the lake. Dick Gregory said this. 749 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: He said, when black people get in trouble, they call 750 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: on the church, they call on the double a CP. 751 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: This is the first time in the history of Black 752 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: America that we have a whole generation of activists and 753 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: advocates that are not either connected to the church nor 754 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: to any civil rights organization. And so folks in the 755 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: church are sitting back critiquing these Black Lives Matter activists. 756 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: But the reason why they're they're out there without your 757 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: assistance is because you've abdicated your responsibility. And so we've 758 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: we've got to hold them accountable one way or another. 759 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: And if your pastor and your church is not doing 760 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: what it should do, if it's not speaking truth to power, 761 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: if it's not advocating for the rights and for justice 762 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: for black people, then you always can vote with your 763 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: feet and you can go to another church that does 764 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: speak to those particular issues. Why would you continue to 765 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 1: sit in those pews knowing, um that they're not doing 766 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: what's in your best interests. But as long as you 767 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: sit there and you tied and you support then They're 768 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: gonna continue to do what they do. And until you 769 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: speak up and speak out, it won't change. Man. That's 770 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: a powerful word right there. As long you said vote 771 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: with your feet, man, that is deep. Bishop. I could 772 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: go on and on because you have so you are 773 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: such a wealth of knowledge. Before I close, I do 774 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: want to because it kind of ties into what you 775 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: just said. You know, Democrats have taken the high road 776 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: to me for far too long. They have taken the 777 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, when they go low, we go hide, and 778 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: you know, quoting Michelle Obama, and I was, I would 779 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: have to say, because I am a big critic of 780 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, but this time around, I was. I 781 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: was impressed by their little light work, a little lightweight, 782 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, trying to get gangster with it, just a 783 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: little bit, not not where I want to see it, 784 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: but just a little bit they turned up, just a 785 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: little bit they had. I love the strategy of running 786 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: ten plus candidates. I think that was very wise, knowing 787 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: that all of the candidates, remember they critiqued that in 788 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: the beginning, everybody shouldn't be running. It's gonna it's gonna divide. No, 789 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: every candidate that ran spoke to a different sector of America, 790 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: and the goal was to talk to all of these 791 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: different sectors of America and then coalesce behind one candidate. 792 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: Now we could go on and on on how Biden 793 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: was selected and so forth, but I don't want to 794 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: spend time with that because the bottom I n he's 795 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: going to the White House on January twenty. But I 796 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: think that was wise. I also love how folks started 797 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: going in in places where the conversation was uncomfortable. You know, 798 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: people criticizing me because I go to Fox News, but 799 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: somebody gotta go to Fox News. Anybody can have a 800 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: conversation in front of your own choir and in front 801 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: of your own church members, but who goes to the 802 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: other side of town to have the necessary conversation. So 803 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: it seems that we're we're heading in the right direction. 804 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: We're having uncomfortable conversations. But I want to ask, when 805 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: you said, you know, white folks, make sure you stay involved, 806 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: do you really believe because that's one thing I say 807 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: on this show, on this show all the time, I'm 808 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: not really looking for allies. I think it's important that 809 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: somebody has allies, but I'm not looking for him per se. 810 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking for soldiers, you know Gideon's army. As you know, 811 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: he started with ten thousand and ended up with three hundred. 812 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: Some of these allies are just in the way. Some 813 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: of them will not change who they are. Do you 814 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: think we spend too much time taking the high road 815 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: and and needing to be reaffirmed with allies instead of 816 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: just pushing our line for us and us along when 817 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: we talk about black folks and then I'm gonna leave 818 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: that last question with you and and and ask you 819 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: to tie up in a bowl with that answer and 820 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 1: give the people something that they can do moving forward, 821 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, to actually stay involved or get involved, because 822 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people have not been involved besides just 823 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: talking among their own choir people love on Facebook. I 824 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: tell my friends that you realize you're only talking to 825 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: your circle. What are you doing outside your circle? That's 826 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: just like gang bangers. Anybody can be tough in the hood, 827 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: but when are you going to the other side of 828 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: town and do some gang banging on the enemy? So 829 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: give us a word on that, Bishop. I think I 830 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: said a couple of things that so one, have we 831 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: taken the high road too much? How do we get 832 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: gangster with this gangster cree the Old Testament and not 833 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: four nine or two for two. And what would you 834 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: recommend that folks can get involved? Since they're not attached 835 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: to the church, not attached to the a CP, what 836 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: do they do to continue to hold this administration accountable 837 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,879 Speaker 1: and their peers and and also the elected officials. So 838 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 1: you're right in that we shouldn't be looking for allies. 839 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,959 Speaker 1: We did. We did a forum called from Allies to Accomplices. 840 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 1: We need accomplices. We need folks who we are gonna 841 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: put some skin in the game that is gonna put 842 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: something on the line. See, the problem is we've got 843 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: so called allies who can check in and out of 844 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: the movement when they want to, when it's convenient. As 845 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: a black person, I don't have the privilege of opting 846 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: out this week or next week. I'm in this for life, 847 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: and we need folks with us who are going to 848 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: be in it for life. Not I was in it 849 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: when Trump was president. Now I'm going back to my 850 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: life as usual. So you've got to be able to 851 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,839 Speaker 1: move from an ally to and accomplish. And for far 852 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,759 Speaker 1: too long we have been far too passive and too 853 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: docile and talking about taking the high road. And you know, 854 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: even as a Christian, I'm cognizant of the fact that 855 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 1: there were times when Jesus just got gangster and got 856 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: the whip and started whipping folking, flipping tables and stuff. 857 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: And the bottom line is, you've got to get to 858 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: that point at some point. People criticize me all the time, 859 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: you don't sound like a pastor, you're clapping back at 860 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: folks and all that kind of stuff. Well, no, you know, 861 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: you just don't let the devil run rough shot, you know, 862 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 1: over you do and say whatever he wants to do 863 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: and say, and then you sit back and pray about it. No, 864 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: that's not that's that's that's not how I roll. You know, 865 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,280 Speaker 1: if you roll up in my spot and you put 866 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: my people at risk, you know, then the triple P 867 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: comes out, the pistol packing preacher, you know, rolls out, 868 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to deal with all of this smoke. 869 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: That's the bottom line to it. And as Christians, he 870 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: never told us to lay down. And people have misinterpreted 871 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: that scripture about turning the other cheek. It was not 872 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: about being passive, it was not about being docile. They've 873 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: misinterpreted thou shalt not kill. That the proper transliteration is 874 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 1: thou shalt not murder. If I kill you in self defense, 875 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: that's not murdered. I'm a part Malcolm and apart Martin. 876 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: And the part that's Malcolm is respect the law, treat 877 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: everybody right. But if somebody puts his hands on you, 878 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: send them to the cemetery. I believe in that. And 879 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: we've got to do what we need to do to 880 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: protect our lives, our livelihood, our families, and our communities 881 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: bottom line. And you know, from this point people have 882 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: to really take a vested interest that. And I'm and 883 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking to to the people of faith now that 884 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: justice is not political. Justice is biblical. And if you 885 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: want to be true to your faith, you you cannot 886 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: be true to your faith and ignore the cause of justice. 887 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: So whether that, whether whether it takes shape with you 888 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: mentoring young minds at your church, would you becoming involved 889 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood councils, with you running for office, or 890 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,240 Speaker 1: with you writing a check and supporting uh some cause 891 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: uh that is that is greater than you, With you 892 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: coming out in support of those who are advocating and 893 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: on the front lines, You've got to do something other 894 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: than tweet and post and instagram about something that's wonderful 895 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: when it comes to drawing attention to the bat, but 896 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: you can't. You cannot bring about change by being an 897 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: Instagram activists. You're gonna have to come out from around 898 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: your keyboard. You have to come out from your phone, 899 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,320 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to hit the street and deal 900 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: with the issues that exist every single day. You you need. 901 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: You need to be at the schools. You need to 902 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: be at the school committee meeting speaking out about that 903 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: jacked up curriculum they're teaching your child. You need to 904 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: be at the city council meetings. You need to be 905 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: holding these elected officials accountable. And when it when push 906 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: comes to shove, when we need to be out there 907 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: on the streets, you need to be out there as well. 908 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody, don't let this moment love you 909 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: back to sleep. That old Trump is out now, you 910 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: know we can rest on our laurels. Because here's the 911 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: thing I'll close with. Every time there is black progress, 912 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: there's white backlash, and you bet your bottom dollar it's coming. 913 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: When America had the audacity to elect the first black president, 914 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: the tea party rolls up immediately, and they fooled you 915 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: all into thinking it was about policy issues. It wasn't. 916 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: It was about the fact that America elected a black president. 917 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,320 Speaker 1: And four eight years later what happened was what my 918 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: my good friend Bishop W. Darren Moore said. He said, 919 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: white folks in America became so nauseated by seeing a 920 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,360 Speaker 1: black family in the White House they vomited and out 921 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: came Donald Trump. That was white backlash to black progress. 922 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: And now y'all have the nerve before a white woman 923 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,760 Speaker 1: could become vice president or president, to put a black 924 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 1: woman in the White House, you better bet your bottom 925 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: dollar come four years from now or whenever, there is 926 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: going to be white backlash, the folks are gonna lose 927 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,439 Speaker 1: it seeing a black woman rolling up in and out 928 00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: of the White House. Um, come, yeah, we got to 929 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: be prepared for it. That's deep and a lot of 930 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: people are saying that too. And it's not a it's 931 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: not speaking from a place of fear. It is speaking 932 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,799 Speaker 1: from the reality of understanding what is to come. And 933 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: that that's really what I've been focused on. You know, 934 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: Trump's in the mind of everybody. They still focused on 935 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: talking about Trump. Look it's over with. Let's start talking. 936 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 1: Let's start getting to work at this point, because we 937 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: cannot allow him to consume your mind every day, the 938 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: anxiety because guess what, guess what his plan is for 939 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: the next four years, to continue to do what he 940 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: has done times ten. Because if you think he didn't 941 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 1: have accountability, then wait until you see where they're literally 942 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: no accountability at all. The poem I learned in the 943 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: tenth grade, do not go gently into that good night. 944 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: Trump ain't going gently, trust, no question, no question. So 945 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,440 Speaker 1: he's not going gently. So we have to stand strong. Bishop. 946 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,800 Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you all of 947 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: your where I encourage everybody to go check your clap backs. 948 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: You got some of the best in the game. I 949 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: know I'm a clap back queen mysel elf, but you 950 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 1: have one of the best in the game. So how 951 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: can people find you on Twitter? And where else should 952 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 1: they be following you? And give us some information from 953 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: about your church? You can go to Talbert Swan dot org. 954 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: And all of my social media is at Talbert Swan, 955 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,279 Speaker 1: whether it's the Twitter or Facebook, Instagram, and they even 956 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: got me on TikTok. Now I have no idea how 957 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: to use Snapchat, but I'm there to um, so just 958 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: follow me at Talbert Swan my church spring the Whole 959 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: Church of God in Christ, right here in the hood 960 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: at six Corners in Springfield, Massachusetts. You can also catch 961 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: us streaming live every Sunday morning at eleven and on 962 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: Wednesdays at seven thirty. I love to have you be 963 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: a part of our our experience, and thank you so 964 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: much for joining. I love when I am speaking to 965 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: an Old Testament Christian that understands the old and the new. 966 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 1: Dude go together. I quote all the time Deborah from 967 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,960 Speaker 1: the Book of Judges and a Warrior, and she told 968 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: General Barock, which was his name, literally that if you 969 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,799 Speaker 1: do not deliver people from poperty, he will do it 970 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: from the hand of a woman. So I am so 971 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: grateful to be able to use my voice, my platform 972 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: to speak with you today. I do hope people listen 973 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: to this and listen to it over and over, because 974 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: you drop some gems up in here today. Pastor. I 975 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: just appreciate you stopping by and leaving us a word. 976 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: There's so many things that I want to talk to 977 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: you about as we move forward, and hopefully this is 978 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: not the last time that we can connect because, like 979 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: you said, we do have work to do. This is 980 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: literally just the beginning of an administration. We have so much, 981 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: so much more far than we need to go to 982 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: continue building straight shooters. Make sure you listen to this, 983 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: share this with someone that you know, and more importantly, 984 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: share with somebody that you love, because this type of 985 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,919 Speaker 1: wisdom that was given to you today is not only 986 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: a benefit to the black community. And it's okay for 987 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: us to say that here. This is the Black Effect 988 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: podcast network, so it's okay for us to love on 989 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: black folks on this network. Share it with someone that 990 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 1: you love. But also what Bishop said, share it with 991 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: an accomplice. I love that those listen to my show. No, 992 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,839 Speaker 1: I always say I'm not looking for allies, I'm looking 993 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,799 Speaker 1: for soldiers, because, like Bishop said, allies have an opportunity 994 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: to pick and choose when they want to be involved. 995 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 1: And I have said that very thing is said chills 996 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: to me when Bishop said it, because I have said 997 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: that very thing repeatedly, almost on every show. Find an 998 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 1: accomplice that's willing to put some skin in the game. 999 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 1: We're at the point now where you must be a 1000 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 1: player on the field being in the stands is not acceptable. 1001 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: We have to move the ball. We have to continue 1002 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: to move forward. We are not going to agree on 1003 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: everything that this administration does. That is the beautiful part 1004 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: of democracy and the beautiful part of having a voice. 1005 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: The question is what we always must do is make 1006 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: our voice heard. Thank you so much to my guest 1007 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: bishop for joining us today, Bishop taber Swine. Go follow 1008 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: him and support him because we need Twitter folks in 1009 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: the pells too. We need folks who jump in support 1010 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: click light deal with the trolls. You know, we need 1011 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: soldiers there too. But like Bisha said, it is beyond 1012 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: just being on Twitter. 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