1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. This is our weekly 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: listener Male segment where we here directly from the most 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: important part of this show, you and your fellow listeners. 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: So we've got to We've got a grab bag here 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: today of some of some pretty crazy stuff. We've got 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: some se leberty conspiracies, we've got some let's see, some 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: geographical conspiracies, you could call them. And then, of course 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: we've got an interesting question about COVID nineteen. Perhaps we 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: should go in reverse order of that list today. COVID nineteen. 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: You may have heard of it recently. It's it's been 19 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: in the news a time or two, and we've had 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: a lot of questions coming in about COVID nineteen and 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: coronavirus on the show. And here is one such question 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: from a member of the public. Heay Matt Ben knows 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: whoever ends up looking and listening to this voicemail? Uh, 24 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: sorry for the wind and on a walk while I'm listening. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: I was just listening to the coronavirus update a little late, 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I know, but decision to tague and all that, And 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking about how my fiance and I are 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: about maybe that we got COVID nineteen in uh the 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: middle of February, and I've been seeing a lot recently 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: about whether or not it was in America before America 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: wants to talk about it anyways, nice to Yeah, this 32 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: is a question that I think we've we've been hearing 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: a lot, not only from you know, folks writing into 34 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the show, but also you know me personally at least. 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: It's certainly it's been something that I've encountered in my 36 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: regular life and even my personal life. Um. I have 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: a very very dear friend who I believe Ben, you 38 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: have met my my good friend Harry, who um is 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: someone used to run a record store in the town 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: where I grew up and just turned me on all 41 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: kinds of cool music and he's been kind of a 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: fixture in my life for a very long time. Um. 43 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: He's a little older than us, and he got sick, 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: uh to the point where he was kind of on 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: deak door, um, and it was something that he couldn't 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: put his finger on. He had no idea what it was. 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: It was a respiratory thing, it was a dry cough, 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: it was fatigue. It was literally he couldn't get out 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: of bed. And he doesn't have health insurance and so 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: he kind of just had to like wait it out. 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: And um, he lost all this weight and then it 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: just kind of was gone. And you know, the only 53 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: thing he can figure, and this was in December. The 54 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: only thing he can figure is that it was COVID. 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: Before you know, it was acknowledged that it was around UM. 56 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: I have several other friends who have said the same thing, 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: that they got really sick in you know, mid February 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: or a little later in February, even early February, or 59 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: even as early as January, and you know, was that COVID. 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: The official story, um, that you know, is what's being 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: put forth in terms of the government response, is that 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: it arrived in Washington State at the end of February. 63 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: There is another story. A New York Times article from 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: May fifteenth by Mike Baker, When did the coronavirus arrive 65 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: in the US? Kind of goes through sort of the 66 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: evidence and the reviews it um there was a death 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: in saying, how z a UH that was associated with 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: the coronavirus in early February, and that at the time 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: of this article was thought to have kind of been 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: the impetus for like a search for how that person 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: was exposed. But correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen, But 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: I believe the official story remains that it wasn't in 73 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the United States until it hits Seattle at the end 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: of at the end of February. Well, far be it 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: for me to be conspiratorial here, But I tend to 76 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: UH in cases like this where the science often takes 77 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: a back seat to um media portrayals and to political 78 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: aims of those in power, or should I say, those 79 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: responsible for doing their jobs. I still read the papers 80 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: and outlets of note, but I go first to UH 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: scientific journals and first to the the state supported reports 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: from institutions. So one of the things that kind of 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: swigs me out about this is that the c d 84 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: C was reporting a narrative that wasn't as widely reported 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: in some of the you know, some of the mainstream outlets. 86 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm specifically thinking about a Morbidity and Mortality weekly report 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: that's a cheerful title there from the CDC in June five, 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: where they found evidence for limited early spread of COVID 89 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: nineteen within the US from January to February. Short and 90 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: dirty unless you want to read the whole report. The 91 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: first cases of not what's called non travel related COVID 92 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: nineteen in the US were confirmed on February and twenty 93 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: of this year, respectively. The reason that's important is because 94 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: that all but confirms community trans mission was already occurring, 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: because you know, again these are the cases that were caught. 96 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: And to your point, Noel, I don't know about you guys, 97 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: but I've been retroactively looking at many friends who had 98 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: a mysterious respiratory ailments in say January or something or 99 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: February and thought, and you know, most of whom insisted, 100 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: even after the news of COVID brouke, that they had 101 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: something different. Without antibody tests or without a positive COVID test, 102 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, we can only speculate. But Charlie, what what's 103 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: fascinating here is that the c d C appears to 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: confirm your suspicions COVID nineteen was likely in the US 105 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: earlier than was originally thought. Is that not the confirmed 106 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: case from January that was actually reported to CDC on January? 107 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: The report that I'm mentioning again is talking about non 108 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: travel related COVID nineteen, which occurred on February, and so 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the January one maybe a report of travel related COVID. 110 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: The only difference, obviously, is that the two cases in 111 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: late February that we're confirmed were occurring in people who 112 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: had not traveled very much at all, much less internationally. 113 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: So the only way that they could have gotten or 114 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: contracted COVID nineteen is if it came to them, which 115 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: is a huge distinction to the January point. You know, 116 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense that the transfer would have, you know, 117 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: would have hit international travelers first, especially because questions, serious 118 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: questions remain about when exactly coronavirus broke out in China. Yeah. 119 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: I was reading, just to add on to all those 120 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: dates that we've been talking about. I was reading about 121 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: a woman who was in the Bay area of around 122 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco. Fifty seven year old woman named Patricia Dowd 123 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: who passed away on February six, and it was unknown 124 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: how she died originally, but after doing some testing on 125 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: her uh P the corner, they found out that she 126 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: actually had coronavirus UM. So that means if she died 127 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: on February six, she likely had it in January in 128 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco. So just to add on to that, it 129 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: does feel like you you guys are saying like the 130 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: evidence is showing that it was much earlier than we, 131 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: I guess initially believed. But but to your point, Ben, 132 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reasoning behind steering this narrative, you know, 133 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: and and and on. Different governments in different parts of 134 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: the world have handled it much much differently, you know, 135 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: from one another, um, both rhetorically and like in terms 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: of like the response because as a country in the 137 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: United States, it is not in our best interest are 138 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: the best interests of our leaders to you know, lean 139 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: into oh it was here this early and see d 140 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: C new and they told us, and we didn't do 141 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: anything about it because you know, um, whatever your political 142 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: leanings are, I think it's hard to ignore the fact 143 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: that our government didn't do a great job of of 144 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: of rushing in headlong and acknowledging the severity of this problem. 145 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: When I was in New York City, Um, right before 146 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: things really hit the fan in terms of like the 147 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: acceptance of okay, this is a real deal. Uh, it 148 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: was right before, you know, sheltering in place happened maybe 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: a week or two before. And a good friend of mine, 150 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: a friend of the show Matt Riddle, who is you, 151 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: guys both know, Um, he was telling me how this 152 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: was gonna go. He he was already looking at like 153 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: researchers that were studying how it was spreading in China 154 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: and just the exponential nature of it. He drew me 155 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: a Matt chart on a napkin, and I was just like, oh, 156 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: come on, that's a bit extreme. Surely people will do 157 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: a good job and not sneeze on each other. But no, 158 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: he was absolutely right. He was already stocked up on 159 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: hand sanitizer and ready for the long haul. But at 160 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: that point our government it had not fully accepted that yet. 161 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: So the fact that a dude that I know in 162 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: New York drew me a map of exactly how this 163 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: was gonna go, and it was exactly that way, but 164 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: yet our government couldn't accept it and start getting into 165 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: testing early. That's a little bit annoying. Well, I would 166 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: say another piece of evidence, which I talked about on 167 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: the show Strange News Daily and they have mentioned here 168 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: on stuff they don't want you to know, can be 169 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: found in the insider trading accusations that have landed on 170 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: the shoulders of no less than four members of Congress. 171 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: The evidence is I won't say watertight, I won't see, 172 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: but the evidence is incredibly compelling that at least some 173 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: members of Congress knew about the threat before it hit 174 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: the news, and not only did they use that knowledge 175 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: to make bank in the stock market, but they did 176 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: it while they were telling their constituents that everything was fine, 177 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: that the sky was not falling, that life could continue 178 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: per normal. So so clearly, clearly it hit beforehand. Even 179 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,479 Speaker 1: if we don't have all the questions about the genesis 180 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen in China, we do have evidence that, 181 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: like quantitative evidence, that people in power, the first to 182 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: hear the news of the threat and to take it seriously, 183 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: decided to enrich themselves at the expense of the public, 184 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: and again to your point, Noll, that's not something that 185 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: goes along the convenient lines of political divide. That's just 186 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: people being greedy and not treating other people like human beings. 187 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: You know, they say money talks. I mean that is 188 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: a reaction that you can trace. You know what people's 189 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: motivations are. You're not gonna do something like move your 190 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: money around unless you have are acting on some good intel, 191 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: like in the way that it was done in these 192 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: situations on people move their money around for all kinds 193 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: of reasons. But uh, yeah, do you have any specifics 194 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: on on on who or what kinds of deals were Uh, 195 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: We're done. Sure. One one example that would be familiar 196 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: to a lot of our fellow listeners in the southeast 197 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: of the US and in Georgia specifically is Senator Kelly Loafler. Uh. 198 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: This is a Republican senator in Georgia. But this also 199 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: includes accusations against people like Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein or 200 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: Jim Inhofe and Idaho. Originally Richard Burr from North Carolina 201 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: was also publicly identified. As of now, the investigations against 202 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: these senators, uh, against three of them, excuse me against 203 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Inhe Feinstein Loafler appear to be closed, but the criminal 204 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: investigation of Richard Burr as of as of late June 205 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: at least was still continuing. The FBI actually east that 206 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: man's mobile phone. Um, this this gets really tricky. We've 207 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: talked about the US Congress is existing conflicts of interest 208 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to insider trading, and we've talked about 209 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: various attempts of varying of varying efficiency to try to 210 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: nip that in the bud or plug the loopholes in 211 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: the laws. But I feel like that, I know that's 212 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: a little bit different from from what you're talking about her, Charlie, 213 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: but I feel like that is really strong evidence that, Uh, 214 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: for two things. First, COVID nineteen likely did arrive in 215 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: the contiguous United States before people were told it did. Secondly, 216 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: at least some people knew it was coming and decided 217 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: not to share that information or at the very least 218 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: to minimize it. Now, does that mean that there was 219 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: an active kind of large scale conspiracy. Not necessarily, because 220 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: just like uh, just like any epidemiologist or anybody studying 221 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: something while it's occurring, there's a bit of a fog 222 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: of war. We have uncertainty, and uncertainty does not necessitate conspiracy. 223 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: But my personal opinion, Congress is dirty. Yeah, I don't. 224 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I got no argument with you there. Yeah, I can 225 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: go with that. Well, why don't we take a quick 226 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back with us some more 227 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: messages from you and we're back. All right, everyone, we 228 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: are going to head over to email for this message 229 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: from j. We're just going with the letter J. He 230 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: sent us a message and this is what he said. 231 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: If this stuff is annoying to see, just let me know. 232 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: Then he pasted seven excellent links to stories and they 233 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: were all excellent. J uh. He says, seven is an 234 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: esoteric number, So I'll stop there. I have no idea 235 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: if any of this is true or not, but I 236 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: don't like the way this email app is trying to 237 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: predict my sentences. I think these may make cool episodes 238 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: if anything bends my favorite intellectual superhero right now. It's 239 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: a good choice, Jay, good choice. Um, So, we're gonna 240 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: follow one of Jay's leads. It was a story he 241 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: shared about Gibraltar and the large rock that sits atop 242 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: it or I guess is it or a part of it? Um? So, 243 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: let's just let's talk about where Gibraltar is what it is. 244 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: If you look at a map of Spain, you will 245 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: see a little section towards this actually at the south tip, 246 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: basically you will find Gibraltar, and it is right there 247 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: on the alborn c and spright where the Atlantic is 248 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: on one side, essentially in Lborne Cea on the other. 249 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: Tangier is not directly across from it, but you'll see 250 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: Morocco in Africa directly across from this thing called the 251 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: Strait of Gibraltar. And it's a fairly let's say, relatively 252 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: small area of water between Spain and Morocco. Now this 253 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: is a very very important place, this area right there, 254 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: the Strait of Gibraltar, because it is the way that 255 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: you can enter into the Mediterranean Sea from the Atlantic. 256 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: And if you can imagine, over the course of several 257 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: world Wars and other large scale battles that have occurred 258 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, you could use these areas around Tangier, 259 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: around Gibraltar, all along that straight there to basically look 260 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,359 Speaker 1: to see what enemy ships are doing, to help coordinate 261 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: with if you're talking about navies, to help coordinate with 262 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: ships that would be on your side. If you're let's say, 263 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: the largest military or something or a navy um. And 264 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: the Rock of Gibraltar is a mountain essentially that juts 265 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: out at Gibraltar there right at the very tip. And 266 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: the story we're going to talk about today has to 267 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: do with the fact that this large rock is filled 268 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: with holes and tunnels and places for people to travel 269 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: and exist. And during World War Two, the Rock of 270 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: Gibraltar was utilized a ton. There are all these tunnel 271 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: systems within there, and all kinds of different infrastructure that's 272 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: built into it, where you could have hospitals, you could 273 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: have places to eat, places to have people stay, and 274 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: house people. And during World War Two it was used 275 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: as essentially a fortress to do exactly what we're talking about, 276 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: to watch the any oncoming ships, to see movements of 277 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: enemies and anything like that. And there is one particular story, 278 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: a spy story basically about a use that Gibraltar could 279 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: have had if the Nazi Party had invaded that area 280 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: of Spain and taken over the Rock of Gibraltar. I know, 281 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of going on a long walk here. Guys 282 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: don't know much about the history of this. This is fascinating, 283 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: so during World War Two in the nineteen forties, the 284 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: British military was using this Rock of Gibraltar as a fortress. 285 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: They had, you know, lots and lots of people stationed there, 286 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: lots and lots of listening devices, all kinds of spycraft 287 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: is occurring around there, and military people at the ready 288 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: to fight if they needed to. And the secret plan 289 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: had to do with if the Nazis in fact invaded 290 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: and took over that large rock, the fortress itself, right, 291 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: So they put together a top secret plan called Operation Tracer. 292 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: Now this is fascinating stuff. So it's it's a large 293 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: let's just say it's a large mountain filled with holes 294 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and tunnels you can go into. You'd imagine that there 295 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: would be some secret ones, right, Well, there was in 296 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: fact one major secret area. It was fairly small and 297 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: it was kept secret for a long long time, so 298 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: well since World War Two was over sixty years um. 299 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: So the plan was to have very small space that 300 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: that included a water system that could filter water through, 301 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: a place to bathe, place for I think six people 302 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: to live and stay, a very small cave area within 303 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: this rock. And what they were going to do if 304 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: the Nazis evaded and took over. They would get sealed 305 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: in to this area, to this part of the Rock 306 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: of Broltor, and they had radio equipment in there and 307 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: some other signals intelligence equipment and they would monitor the 308 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: activities of the Nazis as they were inhabiting the mountain 309 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: fortress that they were inside of, buried in basically, and 310 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: they had supplies to stay there for an entire year. 311 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: There were several contingency plans for them to possibly stay 312 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: in there for up to three years, possibly seven years, 313 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: of course having to do some kind of uh communication 314 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: to the outside to actually get supplies because there they 315 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: would have only had enough supplies initially for one year. Now, 316 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: thankfully this full on ceiling into the mountain plan never 317 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: had to get enacted. But there were six men that 318 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: were chosen to actually go into this cave and run 319 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: operations there um as part of spycraft essentially for British intelligence. 320 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: And you can actually go now to the Rock of 321 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: Gibraltar and see this place. It's called the Stay Behind Cave. 322 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: Now there are only thirty people a year allowed to 323 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: go into this rock and actually tour the Stay Behind Cave, 324 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: and that's probably changed with COVID restrictions. Why why that 325 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: view like they have to have some kind of like 326 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: clearance or something like. That's that's a that's such a 327 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: low number. I honestly don't know why it's restricted so much. 328 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like, um, you know, the line outside of 329 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: a really exclusive club, we can only let in thirty 330 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: people at a time, rope of Gibraltar. Well, maybe it's 331 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: it also maybe possibly due to safety concerns because this 332 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: out there, there are miles of tunnels throughout the area, 333 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: and for any anybody who's been involved in recreational spelunking, 334 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: you know that if you visit something like the Mammoth 335 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: Caves or even something like Ruby Falls just over the 336 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: border from Georgia and Tennis, see that there are there 337 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: are occasionally areas of a cavern system that are considered 338 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: unsafe for nonprofessionals. But um, I don't know, man. Maybe 339 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe the mundane answer is funding. Maybe they just don't 340 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: want to put the money into making the entire things safe. 341 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: This is startling and surprising that it's not uh in 342 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: the news more often. I guess, uh, you know, there's 343 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happening anyway, So it's it's not 344 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: surprising maybe that it's not featured more prominently. But this 345 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: was such a secret. From what I understand that the 346 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: guy who came up with it rear Admiral John Henry Godfrey, 347 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: if that's correct. He he was afraid to have meetings 348 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: in government installations about this, so when it was finding 349 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: those six spies, he just had them over at his 350 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: house on the pretense of a non work hangout, which 351 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: is really the way to do stuff. And these guys 352 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: were not living in luxury. Instead of the tub, if 353 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: you look at the map of what is essentially there 354 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: their fallout shelter, it's constructed like one of those Uh 355 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: they have a wash pit. Yeah, they do. Not the 356 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: best name. Not it wasn't they had the best name. 357 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: They also put cork on the floor, like cork tiles, 358 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: so that they could mask their own footsteps while they're 359 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: in a giant mountain fortress. You'd think that that wouldn't 360 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: be such an issue, but I suppose it absolutely would. 361 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: Any sounds it's crazy, but the six men that did 362 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: go in, they were undercover for I think two and 363 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: a half years maybe, or at least several of them 364 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: were um and they were in the rock. They weren't 365 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: necessarily sealed in I don't believe, but they were there 366 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: operating in that stay behind cave I suppose, and they're 367 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: there are a couple of procedural concerns if they did 368 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: implements this, uh this policy. First off, talk about commitment. 369 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: We always hear about people being willing to die for 370 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: their country, But how about being willing to be buried 371 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: alive with a very slight chance of getting out. One 372 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: big loophole in this, which is difficult, is that we know, 373 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: given the geographic importance of the rock. I love that 374 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: you call it the Rock, Matt. It makes it sound 375 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: so much cooler. Uh not that not that the rock 376 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: or that the rock. Neither Sean Connery nor Dwayne unfortunately 377 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: are involved in this. But but one big loophole here 378 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: is that they were, from what I understand, planning to 379 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: seal the ingress with cement. And sealing it with cement, 380 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: unless you're very clever about it, would be a dead 381 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: giveaway that there's something worth digging up, especially if you 382 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: are a if you are a Nazi party that has 383 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: just conquered such an important area, you're going to expect 384 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: there to be something something behind, you know, whether it's 385 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: whether it's a radio outfit hidden in someone's attic in 386 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: a neglected neighborhood, or whether it's something on this level 387 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: which is amazing. And you know what, maybe the reason 388 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: only thirty people are allowed to tour a year is 389 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: because there are still ongoing operations in the subterranean areas 390 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: of the rock and maybe they have to like maybe 391 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: it's seasonal right, I'd be interested to see that up 392 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: to thirty people a year. Thing does that only happen 393 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: during like, you know, four months of the year the 394 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: way Adricho occurs two days, two days, people every day 395 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: for two days and and and maybe the rest of 396 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: the year there are people working in the area. Yeah, 397 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: there's a different group of spies that are in their 398 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: actually all most of the time they're using it. It's 399 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: a shared use space. Finally, the timeshare secret listening center 400 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: that we've we've all loved. Condos are out, spy HQs 401 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: are written. Do you think they have a rumpus room? 402 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: Is there like like a miss pac Man machine or 403 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: at least pool tables, bumper pool none of that. They 404 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: did have a bike that was able to generate electricity, 405 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: and it also had a fan on it. So it's 406 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: believed that perhaps this bike that was manually powered would 407 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: actually be one of the only, no, the only source 408 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: of moving air throughout their system. They did have an 409 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: observation what they called slit where they could see out 410 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: and into the waters and actually observe chips and all 411 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: kinds of movements there. There was also one area that 412 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: you could see out above, just above, but it was 413 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: very small and it appears that you could escape, may 414 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: be if you really wanted to, or you had to 415 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe with some tools. Pretty creepy. I can't imagine. I 416 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: can't imagine having to be sealed in there for a 417 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: whole year. They would have died, Some of them would 418 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: have died. That was the whole sealing them in right there. 419 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: There was a plan to actually cement them in to 420 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: a separate little part of the chamber if they did die, 421 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't be discovered if the secret chamber was discovered. 422 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: Soil in the entrance passage, so think about that. That's 423 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: one of the that's one of the first things you 424 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: see if you're one of these six spies heading into 425 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: the HQ. You see the dirt where you may well 426 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: end up being buried. That is intense. Well, hey, we're 427 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: we're only barely scratching the service of this one. But 428 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we can come back to and talk 429 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: about it more and then eventually, you know, jump into 430 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: modern deep cover spies and maybe what's going on right 431 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: now who? But for that, that's it for now, Jay, 432 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: thanks so much for writing to us. We'll check out 433 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: the other links you sent as well. All Right, we're 434 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back. 435 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: And we have returned. Our third piece of listener mail 436 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: today arrives from Ashley h. Ashley, you wrote to us 437 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: in regards to something that I had personally never heard about. 438 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: You said the following, Hey, guys, I was curious to 439 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: see if you had heard the conspiracy surrounding Chris Cornell 440 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: and Chester Bennington that they did not commit suicide but 441 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: were murdered. Ashley. You go on to explain, apparently, before 442 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell died, he was the main financial support and 443 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: producer of a documentary exposing the child sex trafficking industry, 444 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: and he had gotten Chester that's Chester Bennington to also 445 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: participate with interviews and music for the documentary. The conspiracy 446 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: is that they were all murdered for producing this documentary. 447 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: The documentary was canceled not long after Chris Cornell had passed. 448 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: It was started by Lisa Beam and her fiance Leroy Moore. 449 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: She was the only one involved in the project that's 450 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: apparently still alive and refuses to talk about it. And then, Ashley, 451 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: you included a link from someone who believes this to 452 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: be the case. You also noted I would say it 453 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: sounds far fetched, but from what I know about the 454 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: epstein BS, I truthfully wouldn't be surprised if this conspiracy 455 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: was rooted in truth as well. I'm curious what you 456 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: guys think. So we all know Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Right, 457 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: Sound Garden, Lincoln Park Audio Slave. Unfortunately, like many musicians, 458 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: they left too soon, uh, and they had a struggle 459 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: towards the end of their life. We've all been able 460 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: to look at the the case laid out here and 461 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: it's it's exactly what Ashley as described that they were 462 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: in the midst of working on an explosive revelatory documentary 463 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: about child trafficking, one that would um, as as is 464 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: so often said, one that would name names, by which 465 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: we mean be specific in terms of what it was, 466 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: describing the timeline and the people involved. But before we 467 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: uh explore this, I just want to ask Matt Nol, 468 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: is this something that you all had heard of previously? Not? 469 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: I know, honestly it's not. I'm I did a little 470 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: bit of searching for something that's being titled The Silent Children, 471 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: I believe documentary that has something to do with Chris Cornell, 472 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm honestly not certain if this is 473 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: about the conspiracy or something that was being produced by 474 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell. But you can certainly find a lot of 475 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: this um if you go down a Reddit rabbit hole, 476 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: you'll find several posts about this. Seems to be similar 477 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: to the messaging that's out there on Facebook that Ashley 478 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: sent to us. Right. Yeah, so I did a little 479 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: bit of digging as well. One thing that was interesting 480 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: is that the origin point of this of this story 481 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: seems to come from a website called your news Wire 482 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: uh and seems to date back to twenty seventeen. Will 483 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: recall the Chester Bennington himself passed away on July in California, 484 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: two months after Chris Cornell also passed away. It is 485 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: true that Bennington and Cornell were friends, and it's also, 486 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: if we want to throw some more connections on there, 487 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: it's also true that Bennington took his life on what 488 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: would have been Chris Cornell's fifty third birthday. So in 489 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: several ways the two musicians are linked. But it seems 490 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: that when you dig into that story reported by your 491 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: news wire, it doesn't it doesn't quite have the sand 492 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: that it claims to have. So Paulos Verdes that's where 493 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: that's where Bennington passed away. The police in Palace very 494 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: Days didn't make any of the comments that they were 495 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: purported to have made in your news wire, and the 496 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: quotes that were attributed to them don't appear in any 497 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: other news report about the incident. You know, one thing 498 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: that happens a lot with celebrities when they pass away 499 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: is that we don't want them to be gone. That's 500 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: why people still believe that Elvis is running around somewhere, right, 501 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: And that's why people believe for a long time that 502 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: Tupac sha Core faked his death and possibly immigrated to Cuba. Right. 503 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: In some of these cases, these questions are completely understandable. 504 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: I still think there was a lot of shady conspiratorial 505 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: stuff surrounding the death of Tupac cor surrounding the death 506 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: of Biggie Smalls. But one thing that powers a lot 507 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: of the speculation in these sorts of cases is going 508 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: to be the absence of a concrete autopsy report. In 509 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: the case of Chris Cornell, you can go look at 510 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: the autopsy report. It was uploaded, it's online. So then 511 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: the question becomes, is this the real autopsy report? Has 512 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: it been somehow doctored? Again? I mean, that's a possibility, 513 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Like where's JFK's brain. That's what I keep going back 514 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: to when someone says, hey, these conspiracies about death are 515 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: just made up campfire stories. Uh, you know people's body parts, 516 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: go Missy, there there is there these things, you know, 517 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: I get created out of whole cloth. However, in this case, 518 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: it appears that I don't want to say it's completely 519 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: not true. I don't know what you guys think, but 520 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: but it appears that a lot of the claims that 521 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: were made in support of this theory are have been disproven. Yes, 522 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: so I have been before a massive fan of d 523 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: M b uh year old David matthewsing Bands and I 524 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: never knew this about you, Matt, and I'm never gonna 525 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: be able to look at you the same way again 526 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: after this. Well. Carter Bulford, in my opinion, is one 527 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: of the greatest drugger, and I modeled a lot of 528 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: what I do after him initially. Um, but also I 529 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: LeRoi Moore, the person supposedly who whom started the Silent 530 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: Children documentary with his wife. I'm assuming it's the same person. 531 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: That's the only LeRoi More. I know. He's saxophonist for 532 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: for that band for a time until he passed away 533 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight. Online, I'm seeing a lot of 534 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: stuff about how LeRoi More and his wife started this 535 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: documentary in two thousand twelve, four years after his passing, 536 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: So maybe he was done in his name. UM if it, 537 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: if the story is true, but I can't find official, 538 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: not even official reporting. I don't need it to come 539 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: from New York Times, but I need it to be 540 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: sited somewhere where Leroy is talking about it, where his 541 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: wife's talking about it, where somebody is mentioning this documentary, 542 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: where I just I need to see something other than 543 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: a message from a third party or a twelfth party, 544 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: whoever they are. That just says, hey, this is happening, 545 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: and here's a picture, the meme of four people who 546 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: died by suicide, and they were all working on this 547 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: documentary because I said, so, yeah, that's the truth. And 548 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: I agree, we have to be we have to be considerate, 549 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: and we have to be cognizant of the fact that again, 550 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: these are real people. These aren't just names or brands 551 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: that passed away. There's always the question of whether, with 552 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: the best of intentions, people are being exploitative or callous 553 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: when we're uh, when we're spinning tails about someone passing away. 554 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: And again when musicians that prominence passed away so unexpectedly, 555 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: it makes sense to try to find the logic behind 556 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: their expiration. Also, Matt up with you. I was into 557 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: Dave Matthews band as well. Never close enough to uh, 558 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: never close enough to him to use a full initialism. 559 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: But uh, but I gotta say, I think you know 560 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: this already. I've had I had these like reoccurring teams 561 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: for years and years and years where I d be 562 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: at a Dave Matthews concert and the violinist would come 563 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: out and like just spew vitriol about how he knew 564 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: he's in the crowd and he hated me and I 565 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: would see just this one day and still, you know, 566 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: that's kind of a dream for a long time, I 567 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: kind of wanted, uh, not a super famous, but I 568 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: semi famous person. Devin inexplicable beefly, Well, you should start 569 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: a beef with Stefan Lessard, bass player of d m V. 570 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: He was a real, real young guy when he started, 571 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: and he was way too young to be able to 572 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: be playing with those gentlemen Stefen, So we'll start beef 573 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: with you. You're too talented and young when you start 574 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: a d MB, So, yeah, you're too great. D M 575 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: b oh Man, I do want to add. I mean, 576 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: you know Chris Cornell's struggle with depression and and and 577 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: Chester Bennington's as well, they're pretty well documented. I mean, 578 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, like from their family members they left behind, 579 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: they all were pretty openly acknowledging that yes, they're they're beloved. 580 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: You know, human was in fact having a struggle with 581 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: with depression, um and suicidal ideation stuff. So I I 582 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: don't know, it's I don't so I never was super 583 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: suspicious or anything around that. I mean, there are situations where, 584 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, like with Epstein for example, where I think 585 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: the jury is definitely still out on a very large 586 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: scale as to whether or not that man killed himself. UM, 587 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: being of a certain character, type of person that would 588 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: likely go to any length to protect themselves and to 589 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: skirt the law and to you know, not be brought 590 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: to justice, as opposed to someone who suffered from self 591 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: doubt and depression. Um. Again, you can't know people in 592 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: that way, but it does seem like from reading accounts 593 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: from you know, the folks that these two gentlemen left behind, 594 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: that this this story does check out. And of course, 595 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: as always, if you have evid that you believe shows 596 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: there is something more to this story, we would love 597 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: to hear from you. You can contact us through any 598 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: number of means, except for apparently Pinterest, you know, but 599 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: but you can also you can find us on Facebook. 600 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter, you can find us 601 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Who knows man. Maybe we'll tumbler tumbler live journal. 602 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll start on MySpace. I don't know, maybe my 603 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: Space is coming back. 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