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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome into a Wednesday edition of

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Speaker 1: Texans All Access. I'm your host, John Harris, Football on

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Speaker 1: its sideline reporter for your Houston Texans and it's Cowboys Week,

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Speaker 1: so we got a jam packed show. Every single Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We hear from general manager Nick Kissario to kick off

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Speaker 1: the show, and that we will do in just a second.

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Speaker 1: We'll also have in Laboradrew Doherty. We will have Deep

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Speaker 1: City with her Deep Interview the week with Obo Oka Ronquo,

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Speaker 1: and then behind the mics, Brad Sham, longtime voice of

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and just a sweetheart of a guy, will

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Speaker 1: join Mark in our second segment. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: let's kick it off with the general manager of your

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans, Nick Cassio, joining us. Now, I'm Texans Radio.

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Speaker 1: It's Texans general manager Nick Kisserio. Nick, great to see you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being on with us. Let's start here. I

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Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about everything involved with the game

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Speaker 1: and what's to come against Dallas. But with the rookies,

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Speaker 1: with the younger players, it feels like from the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in that some of these guys were hitting that

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Speaker 1: rookie wall. Maybe, but they've blasted through it and they're

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Speaker 1: on the other side. You see a lot of production

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Speaker 1: from some of the younger players, especially in the game

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Speaker 1: against Cleveland. Yeah, seasons, really we've talked about this. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of eb and flow to the season. So

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, you're gonna have hopefully a decent start during

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Speaker 1: different levels, and then hopefully as you get the duration

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Speaker 1: of the season, you can continue to see some improvement.

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Speaker 1: So say, we're certainly seeing some examples of that. There's

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Speaker 1: been some dips in play, whether it's been individually or collectively,

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Speaker 1: and then there's been i'd say some bright spots or

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Speaker 1: some mount guys have take advantage of the opportunities here

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Speaker 1: the season. So it's credit to the players just fur

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Speaker 1: their attitude and their effort and their willingness to continue

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Speaker 1: to improve. You know, credit to the staff to continue

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Speaker 1: to work with those players. So you know, we just

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Speaker 1: have to hopefully do it more collectively as a team

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Speaker 1: But it's certainly encouraging to see some of those signs. Nick,

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Speaker 1: when I was looking at the flip card from the game,

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Speaker 1: and I looked over and on the flip card there

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Speaker 1: the rookies are highlighted in underlined, and you looked at

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Speaker 1: our side, you looked the brown side, and you look

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Speaker 1: at two teams that are built differently. They got a

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Speaker 1: And I thought it made me think about this the

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Speaker 1: is it for you? Because when I think back to

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Speaker 1: kind of tough to think about go back and look

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Speaker 1: it that way. Oh, it's interesting, I think every situation

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Speaker 1: to change year to year, So how those players get

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Speaker 1: So played good in the red area, you know, this

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Speaker 1: But the safety position, if you look at it, there's

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Speaker 1: which playing safety is very It's a very instinctive position.

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Speaker 1: like those are things. Those are important to defensive football player.

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Speaker 1: Jaalen really played, for lack of a better term, nickel

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Speaker 1: point that you make, John, you won't really know. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: In other times you say, you know what, maybe this

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Speaker 1: with him. Christian Kirksy, I want to ask you about him,

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Speaker 1: Nick veteran captain. He's the Texans nominee for Walter Peyton

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Speaker 1: Man of the Year. How special is that and can

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Speaker 1: you discuss him a little bit? Yeah, I'd say Kurko

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Speaker 1: both all professionally on the field and on a personal level.

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Speaker 1: But Kirko is a respected a player I would say

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Speaker 1: more more well respected players on a team. So a

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Speaker 1: certain level of toughness and his leadership, I would say,

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Speaker 1: we're fortunate to have him. He made a conscious decision

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Speaker 1: strength and his athleticism, his movement, his big target has

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Speaker 1: strong hands. UM. I think the biggest thing is to

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Speaker 1: continue to just each week, be consistent, take advantage the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of misconnected with him, you know a few

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Speaker 1: times where we weren't able to get on the same page.

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Speaker 1: So he's targeted ten times, only had three catches. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to see, you know, a better ratio

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Speaker 1: on that. UM. But he has good attributes relative to

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Speaker 1: play in the position UM, and he's certainly showing the

437
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Speaker 1: propensity to be able to make some plays, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's down the field contested or you know, some

439
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Speaker 1: of the inside breaking routes. I mean, he's a big,

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Speaker 1: strong guy, kind of he uses his body well, so

441
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Speaker 1: just kind of continue to take advantage of his opportunities.

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Speaker 1: But Nico's a good kid. He works hard, he's got

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Speaker 1: a good attitude, and he's he's in proved i would say, physically,

444
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Speaker 1: and some of his you know it's lower body strength

445
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Speaker 1: and some of that. So you want to continue to

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Speaker 1: improve those areas and then kind of um see on

447
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Speaker 1: field improvement you know as well, Nick want moore. For

448
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Speaker 1: you here outside of NRG Stadium or your couple decades

449
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Speaker 1: in New England, outside of Gillette Stadium, what stadium to

450
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Speaker 1: you is kind of cool to go to because at

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Speaker 1: and T Arlington it's a unique experience no matter how

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Speaker 1: you slice it. We were at so far this year

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Speaker 1: we're in Vegas. Is what stands out to you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think just the overall size and the vastness of

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Speaker 1: when you walk in, I mean, big scoreboard. It just

456
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Speaker 1: seems like it's a very big stadium, which it is,

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Speaker 1: and mean accommodates up to I don't know one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand or whatever it is, So I would say it's

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Speaker 1: kind of has its own unique environment. I'd say, you know,

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Speaker 1: an under environment that hadn't been in in a regular season.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when we played there and I want

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Speaker 1: to say it was fourteen, was lambeau Field Like when

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Speaker 1: you walk into lambeau Field in November, packed house. Man,

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Speaker 1: There's just something about out it. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of really cool unique stadiums throughout the league. Certainly AT

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Speaker 1: and T is in that category. It's different. But when

467
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Speaker 1: you contrast that with a place like Lambeau there they

468
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Speaker 1: kind of have their own flavor to them. So but yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: the scoreboards massive, So we're going to make sure we

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Speaker 1: keep the ball off the scoreboard when we're kicking. Nick.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, good luck, Thanks guys. A former underling

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Speaker 1: of Nick Cassario, John Robinson, was fired yesterday with the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Mark and I have not had a chance

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Speaker 1: to comment on that. And what's the state of the

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Speaker 1: AFC South, Frank Reich has gone, John Robinson gone, what

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Speaker 1: happens to Chris Boward, Trimp Balki, all of that next

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Speaker 1: right here on Texans All Access. Welcome back this Wednesday

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Speaker 1: edition of Texans All Access. I am John Harris. Longside,

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandermhirs sticks around with me. Mark. We've got plenty

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Speaker 1: of talking about with this Dallas game, and we're gonna

481
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Speaker 1: get to that in just a second. But you and

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Speaker 1: I found out the news about John Robinson, general manager

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, being fired. At this point of the years,

484
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Speaker 1: there's so many different avenues to take a look at

485
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Speaker 1: in this one, but I just want to start here

486
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Speaker 1: your gut reaction to seeing that news about John Robinson

487
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Speaker 1: being fired the general manager that tense Titans. Mike Frabel

488
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Speaker 1: wants to make the decisions, doesn't want Robinson around. Robinson's

489
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Speaker 1: made some good moves, There's no question about that. You

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Speaker 1: got to give him a ton of credit because he

491
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Speaker 1: came in in twenty sixteen, did not draft Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 1: So there he has him. And look, they're able to

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Speaker 1: have a couple of good seasons with the combination of

494
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Speaker 1: wizen Hunt Malarkey first year, then Malarkey the second year.

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Speaker 1: Then they show Malarkey the door. Robinson he hired Rabel.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy who hired Frabel. All right, So all

497
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Speaker 1: this shifting of not blame but credit or blame however

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Speaker 1: you want to call it. Of this firing to the

499
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Speaker 1: ownership is to me incorrect. We all know that this

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Speaker 1: is Rabel. If Rabel did not want Robinson gone, he's

501
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Speaker 1: not gone. This conflict there, egos in the room. I

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Speaker 1: get it. You want to be able to the decisions.

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Speaker 1: You want to shop for the groceries. We've seen it

504
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Speaker 1: before in this league, and that's what Rabel wants. And

505
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Speaker 1: you know what, you could argue he deserves it. Go

506
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Speaker 1: ahead because he's been a heck of a head coach

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Speaker 1: for this team. And they also, Johnny, I want to

508
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Speaker 1: get your reaction to this, because I think they're reading

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Speaker 1: the situation correctly here and the Texans were in a

510
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Speaker 1: somewhat similar situation where hey, you're going places, but you're

511
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Speaker 1: not going far enough. Right. The Texans made the big

512
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Speaker 1: move for Oswiler in twenty sixteen, thinking Okay, this is

513
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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback acquisition. Oh wait a minute, no it's not.

514
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Speaker 1: They go ahead and trade up to get Watson in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. But they were kind of in that mode

516
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Speaker 1: of all right, we're winning the division, getting into the postseason,

517
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Speaker 1: but it's not nearly enough. It's not the ultimate goal.

518
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Speaker 1: And that's where the Titans are. They have not won

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Speaker 1: a playoff game since the day before the Texans played

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Speaker 1: their last playoff game. Does that make sense? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Right right? Because they beat the Ravens

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Speaker 1: on that Saturday night, right the day before twenty four nothing.

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Speaker 1: They beat the Ravens. That's the last time they want

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Speaker 1: a playoff game. Been back twice since, all right, but

525
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Speaker 1: they haven't been able to win any you're smiling. You

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Speaker 1: like my little way of putting that. You sound like

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Speaker 1: we've been exactly to save as the Titans over this

528
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Speaker 1: period of time. I mean, there are just certain things

529
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Speaker 1: you can say. And it's funny you say that because

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Speaker 1: when I say nineteen ten, you know exactly what that means.

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Speaker 1: And I mean everybody does Texas fans do You say

532
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Speaker 1: twenty four to nothing, and every single Texas fan is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they have the same reaction I did. Because you don't

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Speaker 1: have to say, well, in the Chiefs beat the Texans,

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Speaker 1: or the Chiefs beat the Texans in Divisional round of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, you just have to say twenty four nothing.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows oh, yeah, we know how that went. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I find the AFC South to be fascinating if you

539
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Speaker 1: think about GM head coach throughout the division. The Indiapolis

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Speaker 1: Colts fire Frank Right back week ten, I think it was.

541
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Speaker 1: And I always thought Frank Bryk was a really formidable opponent.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was very good with offense. I thought

543
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Speaker 1: those players responded to him. I think the biggest feather

544
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Speaker 1: in the cap to meet for Frank right was how

545
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Speaker 1: much the defensive players went to bat for Frank. That

546
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Speaker 1: I always thought was kind of interesting. So now Frank's gone.

547
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Speaker 1: Now John Robinson, who yes, made his mistakes, there's no doubt.

548
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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, his first year Jimmy GM, he drafted

549
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Speaker 1: Kevin Dodd from out of Clemson. That just oh. But

550
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Speaker 1: with the other second round pick he got, he got

551
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Speaker 1: Derreck Henry. Yeah. Twenty twenty Isaiah Wilson, Oh my gosh,

552
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Speaker 1: that was absolutely brutal. But he also drafted Kevin Bayard.

553
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Speaker 1: He stuck his neck out there for Jeffrey Simmons and

554
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Speaker 1: those have definitely panned out. It's Nate Davis in the

555
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Speaker 1: third round. He's made a number of big selections and

556
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Speaker 1: then of course in twenty twenty drafted AJ Brown Arthur

557
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Speaker 1: Juan Brown, who then went to Philadelphia. And of course,

558
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Speaker 1: when you see your mistake up close in personally, and

559
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Speaker 1: I say mistake trading AJ Brown to the Philadelphia Eagles,

560
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Speaker 1: I can't look at anything more but a mistake, because

561
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Speaker 1: that guy was the identity. He was the dude. He

562
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Speaker 1: was that guy. When Henry would get slowed down, you

563
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Speaker 1: just threw it to eleven and he took care of it.

564
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Speaker 1: And yes, I know they drafted Treylon Burke's I'd get it,

565
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Speaker 1: but that was a guy that you had to keep around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was I don't say face of the

567
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Speaker 1: fanchise sort of thing, but he was kind of the

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Speaker 1: face in the locker room. He was the guts and

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Speaker 1: the nuts of that team. You put him next to

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Speaker 1: a guy like Ben Jones and you got Daniel who's tough,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you take one of those

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Speaker 1: pieces out and he's the most productive piece. And then

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Speaker 1: you see it up close and personal on Sunday and

574
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Speaker 1: he dominates you and you're like what And I So

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint, I don't know how much that played in.

576
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much actually trading him played in.

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Speaker 1: I don't know any of that, but I just find

578
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Speaker 1: this odd because John Robinson, I thought was a very

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Speaker 1: good and for as much as we say about GM's

580
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Speaker 1: oh he missed this, he missed that, he missed this.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy to say that. But when you look

582
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Speaker 1: at the other side, you look at the makes too.

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Speaker 1: GM's not gonna make one hundred percent of every right deal.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna throw some stuff at the wall sometimes and

585
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: it just won't stick and it just won't work. But

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Speaker 1: if you turn around and you make good selections, you

587
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Speaker 1: make good trades. I mean guarantee you. Bill Belichick, do

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Speaker 1: you think everything he's done? He shot the signe shadow

589
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Speaker 1: Jo Sink go back in OH nine, how did that go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah with Belichick? But you know he's winning super bowls.

591
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: He's going to super bowls. The Titans aren't boom. They

592
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: want to set a higher standard. But Johnny, go back

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Speaker 1: to it here for a moment you mentioned right getting

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Speaker 1: shown the door and the OC the week or so

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Speaker 1: before that. Yeah, before the season. If you had to

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Speaker 1: handicap general manager to be fired first and the AFC South,

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Speaker 1: you probably would have said bulky because because I would

598
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Speaker 1: figure he might lose a power struggle with Doug Peterson somehow, right,

599
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Peterson would gain confidence with ownership, and then he would

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Speaker 1: be doing this sort of play with ownership, dismissing the

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Speaker 1: general manager. And then when Rych got dismissed, you thought, well,

602
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: maybe Ballard. It's got to be Ballard now, right, No

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Speaker 1: way is it Robinson? And Nick's got here also it

604
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: feels like, so, no way is it Robinson. But it

605
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: is so stuff was going on that we didn't know about.

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Speaker 1: Now you look at a hindsight. You mentioned all the

607
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Speaker 1: acquisitions that didn't work out, You talk about the ones

608
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Speaker 1: that did, but it really boils down to disagreements, how

609
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: to break ties, ownership not wanting to break these ties,

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Speaker 1: and Rabel wanting control of the situation, just like O'Brien

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Speaker 1: wanted here. And again I get it. We talk about

612
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Speaker 1: it all the time, Shanahan and Andy Reid and these

613
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Speaker 1: coaches who have control and they have general managers working

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Speaker 1: with them, but they can have final say no, I

615
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Speaker 1: don't want that guy. Now. I do believe you know

616
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: O'Brien here set it up differently. I do believe you

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Speaker 1: need the general manager to go ahead and do the work.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people report to him. It's not just

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Speaker 1: player acquisition. It's also you know, this is also pertaining

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Speaker 1: to the Astros situation. It's not just player acquisition. In baseball,

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Speaker 1: you're running the whole minor league system. You have all

622
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Speaker 1: those scouts reporting to you, all of that talent acquisition.

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Speaker 1: It's a gigantic web that you control, a network that

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Speaker 1: you control. In football, there's a lot of stuff in

625
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the building that goes on that people don't even talk about,

626
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: that filters up to the general manager, right or filters

627
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Speaker 1: down from him with his commands and whatever else he

628
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Speaker 1: decides to do. So there's a lot to it here.

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Speaker 1: You need a guy and Rabel just wants to have

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Speaker 1: final say over the personnel and he feels like he's

631
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Speaker 1: smart at it, and I would have to give it

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Speaker 1: to him. You got to give him a chance here.

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Speaker 1: But you just don't want it to go crazy with

634
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: bad acquisitions, bad trades, things that don't make sense. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he'll be like that, but

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Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait and see. You bring up

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Speaker 1: a great point about the Stros. By the way, well

638
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: they have a flat structure, now, is that the way

639
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: we're calling it they have a flat structure with Houst Astros.

640
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're calling out that. I don't

641
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: know if they're calling it that, And I think that

642
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: they are still deciding how they're going to handle it.

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, they're sort of working through it right now.

644
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of people working. But you know,

645
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Jim Crane runs the Astros, and Jim Crane's a super

646
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: smart guy and he knows a lot about the sport,

647
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: and everybody's got to ask him. You know. It's not

648
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: like Jeff Bagwell can run off and make a trade

649
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: or sign a player. Crane is the man and they

650
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: all know it. So I don't think it's that flat.

651
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say below him. It's not a

652
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: clear hierarchy right now to the outside world. But I'm

653
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: sure he has his ways of doing things and you

654
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: can't really question him right now because they're winning championships.

655
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: So in Jacksonville you got Doug Peterson, Trump Balki, and

656
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Balki was kind of on the ropes in some sense.

657
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: There or some coaches that turned down that job because

658
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Byron Leftwitch, namely that had said he wanted to bring

659
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: his own GM and the kan family said no. Then

660
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson took the job and worked at Trent Balki

661
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: and felt like Balkie over the last couple of years

662
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: just put together a couple of good drafts, made a

663
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: couple of really good signings. And I think Jacksonville just

664
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the Jaguars to me, just have to get to a

665
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: point where they can they can they learn how to

666
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: win and win consistently. Um, you know, they have that

667
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: big win against Baltimore, but then they go to Detroit

668
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: and they get it handed to him. So it's they

669
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: they need consistency, and so maybe Balki and Peterson are

670
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: the way to go. What do you think happens with

671
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: Chris Ballad in Indianapolis because we don't know who's gonna

672
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: be the head coach. Has been a lot of talk

673
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: up there about Jim Harbaugh, but that was an organization

674
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: I looked at as far as Continuity's sake. I worried

675
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: about them because Frank right with Chris Ballad, I always

676
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: worried about them that man, if they could solve the

677
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: quarterback thing, holy smokes, they were gonna be a tough organization.

678
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: But now Reich's out. I don't know what that means

679
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: for Ballard. And then now you got Tennessee now looking

680
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: for a gm AFC South. Just to me marks just

681
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: odd and strange and weird, and yet a ton of

682
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: opportunity going on too. Yeah, there's there's draw. I'm a

683
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: here and look, people are writing off the Titans after

684
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: what happened against Philadelphia. I'm not ready to do that.

685
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, in a one game situation in January, anything

686
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: can happen. We've seen it. They'll get a home game

687
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: because they'll win the division. And no matter who goes

688
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: in there, if they get hot, if they're able to

689
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: run the ball off Tannehill doesn't turn it over, They're

690
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: capable of beating a lot of teams. So I'm not

691
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: going to write them off yet. I'm not saying they're

692
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team. But as far as Ballard goes

693
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: with the Colts, you have to wonder what Jim Ursay

694
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: is thinking. Do I really want to rebuild this thing

695
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: from scratch? I mean, I got Chris Ballard here for

696
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: crying out loud. You know, Jeff Saturday doesn't look like

697
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: it's working great. Maybe he loves Saturday and Saturday is

698
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna have some sort of senior role with the organization,

699
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: or he goes back to TV. I don't know, but

700
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I doubt he's the head coach on opening day of

701
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. If I were er, say, I'd let

702
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Ballard build it. But how does Ballard feel right now? Well, ownership, really,

703
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that he didn't want right gone,

704
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: but again we don't know that for sure. With Chris Ballard,

705
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that he wanted to keep playing

706
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan even though it wasn't going great because Sam

707
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Ellinger just wasn't ready and everybody in football could see that,

708
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: and maybe the owner didn't and he acted alone in

709
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: this decision. But these are things we don't know for sure. Johnny.

710
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of transparency, and I get it,

711
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: you're not going to expect that this is going to

712
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: be fascinating to watch in the offseason. But I'll tell

713
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: you one thing. The Robinson dismissal, it's not just the

714
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: division here, it's the entire league. What the Robinson dismissal

715
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: does is make a lot of owners and coaches maybe

716
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: think deeply, even more deeply than usual, about who their

717
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: general manager is. Is the general manager taking him into

718
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: the right place. Right, So these teams that are winning,

719
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: they're contending, but are they really contending? Do they need

720
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: something else? Then he start looking deeply at all these acquisitions,

721
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Well what about that one? What about this one? And

722
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: then maybe they get a coach who wants power and

723
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: gets in power. You know a lot of teams around

724
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the league are kind of like that. And it's fascinating

725
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: because what the league does is, you know, is set

726
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: precedent all over the place with moves like this. Uh

727
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and it's a copycat league, positively and negatively. So we'll

728
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: see how it plays out, all right. Your gut reaction,

729
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: love me Smith announced It was reported earlier on Wednesday morning,

730
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Davis Mills back as the starting quarterback for your used

731
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: to Texans to take on to Dallas Cowboys. Your gut reaction.

732
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Has anyone put out that gift with the undertaker coming

733
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: out of it, like, I'm yeah, I'm this is this

734
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: is freshly sat Mills. This is not Mills beginning season Mills.

735
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: This is Mills after a break and we've seen it before.

736
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Johnny Mills after a break, has the power, has the execution.

737
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm kind of talking to myself and

738
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: do it right here. But I want to see it.

739
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm here to see it, Johnny, because if I'm Davis Mills,

740
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, I got a new lease on life here.

741
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I get a chance to prove it. I get a

742
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: chance to start and make something really special happen. If

743
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: I can go up there and we can pound the

744
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: ball and I can make some key throws and not

745
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: turn it over, maybe just maybe we can cover No,

746
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Maybe just maybe we can put together

747
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: the upset and I'm here for it. Look, I just

748
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: think Mills wants to play well, wants to prove that

749
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: he belongs. This is a great opportunity for him, and

750
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he doesn't play a lot better

751
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: than he did. But there's a lot of room between

752
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: where he was and the guy in twenty twenty three,

753
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know where he falls into

754
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: that scale, right. I'd love to see him just totally

755
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: ball out in the next five games and all of

756
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, oh my gosh, it's a revelation he sat

757
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's things are completely different. We don't know where

758
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: it's going to go from here, but I like it.

759
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: I like going back to Davis here. It was really

760
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: rough for Kyle Allen and hopefully the team responds. Everybody

761
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: rallies around Mills and they play a whole lot better

762
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: against Dallas on Sunday. Yeah, there's no doubt. And you know,

763
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: going back to Davis, the one thing that we noticed

764
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: when he came back last year was things happened quicker.

765
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: He was more decisive. He knew where he wanted to

766
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: go with the football, and if it wasn't there, he

767
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: went and found somebody else and they moved to football.

768
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: I think about the Jaguars game. He made a couple

769
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: of very key throws in that Jaguars game. The Chargers game,

770
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: he just owned it from the beginning. The Tennessee game,

771
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, the second half he obviously got dialed into

772
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Danni Amadola. So the thing with Davis is we know

773
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: it's there, we've we've seen it, and we just haven't

774
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: seen it enough this year and maybe this is that

775
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: time against Dallas where Okay, Dallas's defense is pretty solid.

776
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean when you when you look at the numbers,

777
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: the defense against the ground is not very good. They

778
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: give up about one hundred and thirty yards per game.

779
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: That's twenty fourth the NFL, but against the past their

780
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: second in the league, giving up just one hundred and

781
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: eighty yards because they've got Treyvon Diggs in a really

782
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: athletic secondary, but they also four quarterbacks and throw the

783
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: football because they got Michael Parsons into Marcus Lawrence and

784
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: those guys get after it up front. But Mark, no

785
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: matter what happens, you'll win lose. I want to see

786
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: the offense gone in the field, have some confidence and

787
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: move the football and put pressure on opposing defenses. And

788
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a while since it happened.

789
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: I felt like against the Raiders after the bye, that happened,

790
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: but since then maybe it's only happened at moments against

791
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: the Giants. It definitely happened against the Eagles for a

792
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: lot of that night, But since then it's really not

793
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: been the offense dictating to the defense. It has been

794
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: trying to hold up against the defense as opposed to

795
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: attacking it. So if anything else, my hope is that

796
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Davis in the offense push the pedal kick going seventy

797
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: five eighty miles an hour in the left lane and

798
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: just open it up a little bit. And I'm not

799
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: talking trick plays and throwbacks like that we saw the

800
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: other day. I'm just talking about effective these the throws

801
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: that are there. Make the throws quickly on point, get

802
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: rid of the football and let's move it. Let's protect it.

803
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get in this hermit crap

804
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: sort of offense either. We All we do is we're

805
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of like we're so scared of turning the ball

806
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: over that we take a checkdown on third down, third nine.

807
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I want to push the ball a little bit. I

808
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: don't mind a turnover if we're being aggressive with the football.

809
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: Where I get upset is when we're turning the ball

810
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: over and we're doing it on a quarterback sneak or

811
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: we're doing it on a screen. You know, those are

812
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: the things that get me frustrated. On pushing the ball

813
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: down the field, throwing a dig out if God makes

814
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: a great play, makes a great play and picks off that,

815
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: but push it. Let's go. Yeah. And the occasional arm punt, fine, right,

816
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: you just don't want to turn it over and obvious

817
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: don't do this. Situations like watermelon seed fumbles when you're

818
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: coming out of your one with the quarterback sneak play

819
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: and the tip ball the other day. Man, those were

820
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: highly damaging and look special teams. I'm confident they're going

821
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: to get back to Frank Ross vintage special teams, which is,

822
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: make plays right and get a good return, get one

823
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: or two really good returns, and hopefully catch Dallas thinking, Wow,

824
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: we're supposed to win this game, right. I know there's

825
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: some bit of human nature applied to that. No, Anthony

826
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Brown in the secondary look of all the Dallas defenders,

827
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: and you know, happy healing to him, But of all

828
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: the Dallas defenders, you'd preferred not to see Micah Parsons.

829
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the list is long of people for

830
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: before you get to Anthony Brown. Yeah, but these guys

831
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: are all gonna they're On the one hand, you think, well,

832
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: maybe they take it lightly, you know, and again I

833
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: think too much is made of that sort of stuff

834
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: in this league. On the other hand, you think, are

835
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: they looking at this as a stats game? Potentially? Right? So,

836
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: and maybe both ways of looking at it are in

837
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the same hemisphere. And they're highly damaging to the opponent

838
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: because if you are able to run the ball well

839
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: with Damie and peers and convert. At the end of

840
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: those drives, you get it into Dallas territory. You get

841
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: it down deep. You actually get seven set of threes

842
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: a couple of times. You know, maybe you can force

843
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: the issue a bit, maybe you get a takeaway or

844
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: two because Dak Prescott can give it up. I know

845
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: he's been trending better since coming back into the lineup.

846
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: It was a little shaky at first, maybe a lot,

847
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: but it's been getting better for him. Maybe just maybe

848
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: you can make some hay that way. But big picture here,

849
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: Davis Mills has five games left. You had five games

850
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: left last year, played better, like you pointed out, five

851
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: games left this year. Make the most of it, you know,

852
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: make the Texans organization have to think very hard about

853
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with the quarterback position. I don't

854
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: know if it's going to change their minds, but if

855
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: you're Davis, you gotta do the best thing for your career,

856
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: which is play well and show that you belong in

857
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: this league and you deserve another opportunity somehow in twenty

858
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: twenty three, no matter what the role is. Yeah, no doubt.

859
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Von Miller is out for the rest of the season

860
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: with an ACL tear. I'll go around the NFL next,

861
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: discussed that and plenty of other things, including Texas injury report,

862
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: which still not totally a clean sheet, which we would like,

863
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: well do that next to Texas All Access. What's up

864
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: everybody walking back this Wednesday edition of Texans All Access.

865
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Harris, Football and sideline reporter. Let's

866
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: go around the NFL and look at the Texans injury

867
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: report because it was a little bit longer than I

868
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: wanted it to be or anybody wanted it to be.

869
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: But von Miller I tas out for the year having

870
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: ACL surgery. Man, that's a crushing blow for the Bills.

871
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: That was the perfect piece for that team. Von Miller

872
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: out for the season. The Rams claimed Baker Mayfield, Matt

873
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Stafford out for the year. They get a five game

874
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: spin on Baker Mayfield. See what he can do with

875
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: that Sean McVay offense. I'll be interested. I'll be watching

876
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: a Ram see what Baker Mayfield can do, and hopefully

877
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield wins a few games, get them away from

878
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: any semblance of the number one pick, keep us right

879
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: there with that margin for air. So Baker Mayfield going

880
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: to the Los Angeles Rams at least for the next

881
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: five weeks, and we'll see what he's able to do now.

882
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Texans injury report long unfortunately dnps on Wednesday. Mario Addison knee,

883
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Leek Collins, it's the rest day for the vet, Nicole Collins,

884
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: the foot, Brandy Cooks and the calf. Troy Harris didn't

885
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: deal with that chest injury, Kirk Highness shoulder, Jerry Hughes,

886
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: that's his veteran rest day. And Derek Stingley deal with

887
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: a hamstring but also he was sick today. Limited participation,

888
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Kymie Fairbairn groin. Last thing you want

889
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: to see as your kicker deal with a groin issue

890
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and then full participation, get wild ankle. The Cowboys Jonathan

891
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: Hankins personal day, Kelvin Joseph and Sam Williams, both Ill

892
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: Quinn Bhinna, Jamren Curse, j Ron Curse de Marcus Lawrence.

893
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: They were all limited participants. To Marcus Shue, just take

894
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the week off, bro, just take the week off. Other

895
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: than that, no real big names on the Cowboys injury report.

896
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: A ton of big names for the Texans on their

897
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: injury report, so yikes. But it's Wednesday. Hopefully things can

898
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: get better. Speaking of the Cowboys, let's kick off the

899
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: second hour going them behind the Mikes, Mark Vandamir with

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00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: long time Cowboys voice Brad Sham. That's next right here

901
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: at Texans All Access. We got one hour down, one

902
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: hour left to go. Right here on a Wednesday edition

903
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Speaker 1: of Texans All Access. I'm John Harris Football and No

904
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Southern Report, and a big fan of these next two individuals.

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Speaker 1: Obviously one of those one of my best friends and

906
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: co worker Mark Vandermir, who I've worked with for a

907
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: long time. But you can't help but be respectful of

908
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: a guy that respects the profession as much as Brad

909
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: Sham does the voice of the Dallas Cowboys, and Mark

910
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: and Brad set down and talked about this one. This

911
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: is fun stuff. It's men behind the Mikes, Brad Sham

912
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys with our own Mark Vandamir. Mark, Brad

913
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: always a pleasure to catch up with you and just

914
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: paint the picture for me how it's going. It looks

915
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: so good against the Colts on Sunday night. Tremendous victory,

916
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: tremendous fourth quarter, and overall things are progressing. Wealth of

917
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Your thoughts, Well, they're doing they I mean,

918
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: there's no question they're doing well. But it's been such

919
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: an interesting season because the vibe in town was very

920
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: negative throughout the off season and training camp. They got

921
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: rid of Amari Cooper and didn't replace him with what

922
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: the public thought was equal value. They signed James Washington,

923
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: who hasn't played yet, and drafted Jalen Tilbert who's done

924
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: next to nothing. But my point is they were addressing

925
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: the vacancy, but there were there's a lot of stuff

926
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: that went into not bringing Cooper back, but the public season,

927
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Cooper's gone. They were going to resign Randy Gregory until

928
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: they didn't. The kicker was the two kickers they wanted

929
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: to try. Both were found lacking. So they signed someone

930
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: they've had before and he was not greeted with enthusiasm

931
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: by the vox populi. And the left tackle is a rookie,

932
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: and the people thought they drafted. They overdrafted, and they're

933
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: not too sure about the rest of the offensive line,

934
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: and they want to know if the defense could continue

935
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: to put that the That was the vibe coming into

936
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: the season. It was really one of the most negative

937
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: off season vibes for a team that was twelve and

938
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: five that I could imagine a lot of it had

939
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: to do. Lose in the playoff game. People are very

940
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: very spoiled up here. And by the way, the owner

941
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: wasn't happy with it either. And then in the first

942
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: game they played very poorly and lose the quarterback. So

943
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: people are literally saying, well, that's that blush. The season

944
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: played for the draft choice, and no one expected a

945
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: few things. No one expected Cooper Rush to be able

946
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: to hold his own and play well, and for the

947
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: defense to compliment and him, and for the rookie left

948
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: tackle to play beyond his years, and for the kicker

949
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: to be a revelation, and for the defense to appear

950
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: to have taken the step you would hope from last year.

951
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: And just everything that everybody thought was wrong suddenly wasn't

952
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: so wrong. How you win four games with your backup

953
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: quarterback and you're not supposed to win any that people think,

954
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: and so so now nobody really knows what to think.

955
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: And now the quarterback comes back and he looks okay

956
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: in the first game, and then they start rolling and

957
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: they're playing offense a little differently. He's thrown interceptions, but

958
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: they're able to work around him and he is getting better.

959
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: And you know people, as you well know Mark, you

960
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: get a good player who misses a quarter of the season.

961
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: When he comes back, he's not in week whatever it is.

962
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: He's not in League six, season week two, and it

963
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: takes a while, especially at that position. So things have

964
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: evolved now to the point where while nobody was paying attention,

965
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: the offense got to be pretty productive. And the only

966
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: game they've lost really since Prescott came back was the

967
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: game in Green Bay that they had a fourteen point

968
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: lead in the fourth quarter. You're not allowed to lose those,

969
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a good game for them. You would

970
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: have you would have maybe suggested that they had a

971
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: better chance to be Green Bay than Minnesota. But that's

972
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why we're not coaching. So it's been

973
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: an unusual year, one in which there was not the

974
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: great positive build up, and when things started going well,

975
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: people didn't believe it. And I don't know if they

976
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: do yet. But they're playing well. The offense is playing

977
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: well and the and the defense has had some concerns

978
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: with the running game, but they're they're making some tweaks

979
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: and improvements, and again, complimentary football is the whole piece

980
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: what everyone wants to play. But when your offense plays

981
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: in a way that allows your defense to take chances

982
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: and vice versa, and you've got a solid kicking game,

983
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: then you got a chance to be successful. So for me,

984
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, my attitude is they're fun to watch, they're

985
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: playing well, they're winning way more than they're losing, and

986
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I think they've had a good year for most fans

987
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: up here. I think nobody believes it until they do

988
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: something that they haven't done at a well. Brad cham

989
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: voys of the Cowboys with us on Texans Radio. Brad,

990
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: we do a segment here called Who's better? Well, I'm

991
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: gonna ask you what's better? Is it the offense or

992
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: the defense of the Cowboys? Because here you are your

993
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: top four in scoring in both categories, both sides of

994
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: the football able to the ball. Well, which is better

995
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: the offense of the defense this year so far? You know,

996
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: it's a really good question because you wouldn't have gotten

997
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: the same answer at any point you would have that

998
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: would have been a slam dunk for defense until probably

999
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: about a month or so ago. But the way the

1000
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: offense has been playing Dede Lamb has grown into being

1001
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: the number one receiver. Both running backs are playing well

1002
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: and very much embracing the role of sharing the job.

1003
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: The sometime the next couple of weeks, they're probably gonna

1004
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: get Tyrant Smith back at left tackle. I would if

1005
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I had to pick one right now, I'd say the offense.

1006
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: And that's just a tribute to the way they're going

1007
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: in the last month. But the defense is what's going

1008
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: to carry. And you get into and you know this mark,

1009
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: you get into cold weather, you get into playoffs situations,

1010
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: the teams you're playing are better, the schemes are different,

1011
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: and you can derail a good offense. A good defense

1012
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: will travel and doesn't none of it matters. So right

1013
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: now I would say the offense is playing better, which

1014
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: one is better? I think we're gonna have to let

1015
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: that play out to answer, all right, Brad, I want

1016
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: to ask you this. You mentioned people are spoiled that

1017
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of thing, the fan base in the DFW area.

1018
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: But I have to ask you, it's been a long

1019
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: time since the Cowboys were in the Super Bowl and

1020
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: really blazing big trails through the postseason, and a lot

1021
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: of years have gone by, what is the fan base

1022
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: like now? Because if a lot of people entering the

1023
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: fan base who might have never experienced that or did

1024
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: when they were very young and maybe too young to

1025
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: remember in some cases, So discuss that dynamic for me

1026
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: in Dallas and how it plays out. We hear it

1027
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: all the time, and that is the problem. See, my

1028
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: personal orientation is I grew up and remain a Cub fan,

1029
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: and I learned a long time ago that the joy

1030
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: for me is in the journey. It's not in the

1031
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: final result. I don't have to have my team win

1032
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: a championship for me to enjoy and appreciate the season.

1033
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: I think that most fans are not like that today

1034
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: and they're certainly not here. And the way that manifests

1035
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: as it regards the Cowboys, it is to blame Jerry Jones,

1036
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: even though people could not give you most of the time.

1037
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: If if you say if they said, well it's Jerry,

1038
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Jerry's because Jerry and his family now Stephen, he's starting

1039
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: to get some of the hate. They are the common

1040
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: denominators through all of the years since they were last

1041
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: in even a championship game. And so if you try

1042
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: to have an informed conversation to say, Okay, I hear

1043
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Tell me how show me how they

1044
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: have the ownership has been the reason that they haven't won.

1045
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: They can't do that. But it's just well, he's the

1046
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: only thing that's been there all the time, all the

1047
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: whole time. So I suspect if if we could get

1048
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett and maybe even Mike McCarthy

1049
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: to sit down and really open up and be completely honest,

1050
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: they would have some interesting things to say about the

1051
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: dynamic of what makes this job a little different. All

1052
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: the stuff going on with Beckham right now is very

1053
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: interesting and I don't know how many places it would

1054
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: happen quite like this, But you know, the franchise is

1055
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: successful and he and I'm hard pressed Mark to tell

1056
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: you the way that the Joneses have kept them from

1057
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: winning another championship. They're not afraid to spend money. They

1058
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: certainly they certainly want to win. They provide all the resources.

1059
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: They may have made some mistakes in hiring coaches from

1060
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: time to time. I and I do think that there

1061
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: might have been sometimes in the last twenty five or

1062
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: thirty years when maybe they were a little bit more

1063
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: involved on a day to day basis, but that hasn't

1064
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: been the case in a very, very long time. People

1065
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: think that Jerry Jones medals. He doesn't meddle. He's never meddled,

1066
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: really he sometimes I think his biggest flaw is listening

1067
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: to is that the last person that gets to him

1068
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: influences him the most. But there's a lot of reasons,

1069
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: you know, Like in oh seven, Wade Phillips first year,

1070
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: I think they had one of the best chances to

1071
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: advance that they have had ever and they lost the

1072
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: first round of the Giants for whatever reason, big probably

1073
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: compendium of reasons, and that was an opportunity that got

1074
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: away from them. The fact is that what they're going

1075
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: to do here if they keep going, I mean, they

1076
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, but if they make the playoffs,

1077
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: I think it's the first time, in fact, I know,

1078
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: I just looked it up again, it's the first time

1079
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: in fifteen years that they have made the playoffs in

1080
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: consecutive years. Though that's been a long enough time for

1081
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: the exact things that you pointed out that that's that

1082
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: alone is not going to do it for people anymore now.

1083
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: They and then if they win the Super Bowl, that

1084
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: that won't be any credit to them, and they'll want

1085
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: to know what's going to happen the next year. I

1086
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: would love to have people tell me, would you would

1087
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: you take a rams situation? Would you would you to

1088
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl now and then fall apart and

1089
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: who knows for how long with the resources they gave

1090
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: up to get their Super Bowl? Would you do that?

1091
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to hear what people would say. But

1092
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any one reason that they have

1093
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: not played in the last game or made a deep

1094
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: run in the playoffs. I think there are a variety

1095
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: of reasons, and no two teams are the same. I

1096
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: always think those questions are interesting because, first of all,

1097
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: that's not an option to make that decision, and if

1098
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: you do load up to try to get there, you

1099
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: might not get there and then what so see how

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00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: it plays out. Brad Sham, Voice of the Cowboys with

1101
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: US on Texans Radio. Okay, allow me to indulge here, Brad,

1102
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: because for those who are old enough to remember, or

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00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: however you want to look at it, which era is

1104
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: remembered more fondly in your opinion, that Jimmy Johnson Super

1105
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: Bowl era or Tom Landry in the seventies Super Bowl era.

1106
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: Can you discuss That depends who you're asking, honestly, because

1107
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: as you pointed out accurately, there are a lot of

1108
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans who are grown ups with their own families

1109
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: now who didn't see the Landry years, and so they

1110
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: would say, Jimmy, they would say the nineties, the ones

1111
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: who are my age and remember both of them. I

1112
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: don't know what they'd say. The errors were different from

1113
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: each other because the game, the way the game was played,

1114
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: and it's different from how it is now. But you know,

1115
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: they played with not even a hint or free agency

1116
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: in the seventies, at least in the nineties. They had

1117
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: planned b but there there was. It was kind of

1118
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: indentured servitude in the seventies, and so they could just

1119
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: like colleges used to be able to do, have a

1120
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: hundred guys on hand, and if he didn't like one,

1121
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: run him off, and if one guy heard, just bring

1122
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: in another good one. And you could kind of do

1123
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: that in the NFL. Now the Cowboys did it with

1124
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: I would point to this. I don't know if it

1125
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: answers the question, but I would point to this the

1126
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: era of the seventies. That was an unparalleled period of

1127
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: time where they had winning seasons and were in the

1128
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: playoffs for like twenty consecutive years. I'm not sure we'll

1129
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: ever see that again. I think that I think that

1130
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: the salary cap and free agency dictate against that kind

1131
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: of consistency going on. So what what New England has

1132
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: kind of done, and to a somewhat lesser degree, Pittsburgh

1133
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: in terms of just continued continued competitiveness, I think that's rare.

1134
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the right answer is. But

1135
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: for me, the group that was in the seventies and

1136
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: they started making the playoffs in the late sixties, they

1137
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: went to a Super Bowl and seventy and won it

1138
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: in seventy one, and then I think from them until

1139
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: really the mid eighties, they only had one losing season,

1140
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: and that's a long time and I think that deserves

1141
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: a not I remember that in the mid eighties and

1142
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: it was such a headline. It was such a seismic

1143
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: thing that the Cowboys were not able to have winning season.

1144
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: My goodness, one more quickie. I guess maybe it's not

1145
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: a quickie about this though. Tom Landry is he properly

1146
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: remembered or does he get disregarded too often when we're

1147
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: having conversations about the greatest coaches. Ever. I don't think

1148
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: he gets disregarded. I think he's I think he's properly remembered.

1149
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: He won the games that he won. He was very

1150
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: much in charge of the football team. He essentially put

1151
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: it together and had a complete full rain coaching, and

1152
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: he was amazingly innovated. So I've never seen any sign

1153
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: that Tom didn't get what I would consider to be

1154
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: the respect that he earned. Okay, so back to now, Brad.

1155
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Here we are seasons winding down. You have the Texans

1156
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday in the AFC South. You'll have the Titans

1157
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: on the road coming up in a few weeks. They

1158
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: made news this week. But your projection on how this

1159
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: thing could play out of the Dallas Cowboys throughout the

1160
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: rest of the campaign, it could play out in more

1161
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: than one way. Mark. The Mike McCarthy said something to

1162
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: me the other day that really kind of brought me

1163
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: up short. He said, if we I was asking him

1164
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: a question about is he seeing any rookies hitting a

1165
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: rookie wall, Because we're at that point now where the

1166
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: rookies are now there in their bowl game and they

1167
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: got a half a dozen games to play, and he said, well,

1168
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: he said, you know, if you're having a good year,

1169
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: if your team is good, and your goal is to

1170
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: play the last game, and that's what ours is that

1171
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: if you count a number of games between now. He

1172
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: has said this before, just before the game with the

1173
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: Colts the other night, and he said, if you if

1174
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: you go from now to where we're trying to get to,

1175
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: we're only halfway through that. And that made me go, yikes,

1176
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: that sounds like there's a lot left, which is the plan. Yeah,

1177
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: so they are still growing. I think they're still growing

1178
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. I don't think they've played.

1179
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they'll get to where they can get to,

1180
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: but I think they can get better. I know that

1181
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: the offense is capable of and is starting to really

1182
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: be consistent. They've got to cut down on the interceptions.

1183
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: But they're scoring and converting third sounds and doing all

1184
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: the right things offensively in the last month and there's

1185
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: no particular indication that that's going to change. And I

1186
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: think that they're you know, it takes a long time

1187
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: to come back from an ACL Michael Gallup is just

1188
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: now starting to be Michael Gallop again, and so the

1189
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: things that can happen. You know, if Tyrn Smith, I

1190
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: like the way they have a plan for working guys

1191
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: back in from injury, and you know, Tyran's able to

1192
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: work back in and Tyler Smith has been a revelation

1193
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: at left tackle, but there's no reason that he can't

1194
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: do that at guard. I mean, the offensive line could

1195
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: be even more solid, and they get a lot of

1196
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: pluses on the offensive side of the ball, and defensively,

1197
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: they obviously can rush the passer. Now, you know, everybody's

1198
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna have injuries. Now they've lost they just lost an

1199
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: outside corner Anthony Brown for the rest of the year.

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01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: There are a few weeks into having lost their starting

1201
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: slot corner Jordan Davis for the year, and that kind

1202
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: of stuff happens. So you got to have the depth.

1203
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: We'll see. If they have the depth, you could make

1204
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: a case that they could get all the way to Arizona.

1205
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: Now that would be a surprise to me, especially based

1206
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: on the way the offseason and the first month of

1207
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: the year went, but the way they're playing they could

1208
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: do it looks to me on paper like there's a

1209
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: couple of teams better than them, but you don't know

1210
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: what happens on the day. It's also possible that they

1211
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, throw everything they have into beating Philadelphia

1212
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, don't win that game, don't recover psychologically,

1213
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: and lose the first game. Again, that equally possible, and

1214
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: that's the fun of it. Let's see what they're able

1215
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: to do, how they're able to handle those challenges. Everybody

1216
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: else's game gets ramped up when you get into the

1217
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: post season. They're gonna have to beat some really, really

1218
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: really good teams and that's what they will have to

1219
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: do if they want to be counted in that group.

1220
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: It should go either way. Excellent stuff, brad As always

1221
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: want to thank you for the time. Look forward to

1222
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: seeing you on Sunday in the booths. Fantastic stuff right there.

1223
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: Even more fantastic is doublow obo ocaron quo with a

1224
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: deal little deep slant with deep citter. That's an extra

1225
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: hair in Texans All Access. Welcome back to this edition

1226
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: of Texas All Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio. I'm

1227
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: John Harris Football and a sideline reporter. It's time to

1228
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: bring on obo ocaron Quo for a little deep slant

1229
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: interview with depcitter Deepe Take it away. It's a deep

1230
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: slant one on one presented by Vicefinity. My guests this

1231
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: week obo okaron Quo, who just looked over my questions

1232
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: and he approves. You approve of everything. We're gonna talk

1233
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: about this. We'll talk about it. I was like, I like,

1234
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: I like you when players like, let me see what

1235
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask, and then I feel super self conscious

1236
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: and nervous, like, oh, I feel like you're You're going

1237
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: to look at my questions and wonder where I'm going

1238
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: with all this. Let's start with the first sack of

1239
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: the season. Got your first sack as a Houston Texan.

1240
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: I like this shimmy move. Everyone's at their sack celebrations.

1241
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: So what was that about. So that was what I

1242
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: did for my sack in the preseason, and I said

1243
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: I was going to do that for my first sack

1244
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: of the regular season. It came a little later than

1245
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: I expected, but stay true to you, that's all new.

1246
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: That's like Houston Texans exclusive move. Okay, so you're not

1247
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: bringing that from the Rams. That's just all right, I

1248
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: like you. Lovey says that he really likes the football

1249
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: you've been playing since you moved into the starting lineup

1250
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: and the defense as defensive line as a unit. He

1251
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: just really likes how you guys have been playing. So,

1252
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: how how has it been for you these past few

1253
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: weeks on the defensive side of things. It's been It's

1254
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: been fun. You know, we've been playing with a lot

1255
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: of energy. Um, I felt like we're playing well together

1256
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: right now. Um We're getting JG. John thinking Oar back

1257
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: so that's another really good player back. So we're excited

1258
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: about what we're doing on our side of the ball.

1259
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: We just want to stay consistent. How hard is it

1260
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: to stay consistent with? I mean, defensive line is so

1261
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: different from offensive line because offensive line you've got the

1262
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: same starting guys every week. But you guys do a

1263
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: lot of rotations, a lot of rotational players. But the

1264
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: chemistry is always there no matter who's in the mix.

1265
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: How do you guys keep that chemistry just so hanging

1266
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: hanging out outside of football? You know, we really like

1267
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: each other as a group. You know, it's real. Everybody's

1268
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: friends and everybody helps each other, picks each other up.

1269
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: So it's easy on the field. Deaf chemistry. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we're playing Dallas this week and a lot of

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Speaker 1: players are not really super familiar with Houston Dallas rivalry.

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Speaker 1: But you grew up in Houston. So what do you

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01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: remember most about just the Houston Dallas not liking the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys living in Houston, what do you remember about that

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01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: growing up? I just know that like Dallas is just

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Speaker 1: like our little sister, you know. Um, you know, Dallas

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01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: wants to Well I'm talking about the team, the city,

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01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: the city as a whole. Okay, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't talk crap like that. No, No, I think

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01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: this is funny because there's a big there's a real

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: scene rivalry. Like anybody from I ALS will tell you, like,

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01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: like they hate Houston, but they don't know why they

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: hate Houston. We don't hate Houston. We don't hate Dallas.

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01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: We just think that, you know, they're a little little

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, a little little sibling up north that you

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01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: visit every now and then when you have to. It's

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: like a one sided beast kind of it kind of is.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: But but it is fun every single year because even

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Speaker 1: though you're not in the same conference, it's it's always

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: a big game. Yea, love it um. As far as

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01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys go, Yeah, as far as I can remember Texans.

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: Texans fans and Cowboys fans they butt heads a little bit.

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Cowboys fans in Houston actually, so

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01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: they live amongst us. As we always joke, it's gross.

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: It's gross. Yeah yourself. All right, So you're back in Houston.

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Speaker 1: You grew up playing football in a Leaf. What's what's

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Speaker 1: it like just being back home again? Man, it feels

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01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: really good, you know, just being able to just just

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Speaker 1: pull up on my family, you know, pull up to

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: the old crib, just go see my mom. That's really cool.

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Speaker 1: All right. I watched NFL City Life, You and Toby Nigigway,

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: who I just he's amazing as a rapper, as an actor,

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: and he has to It's a great question. In that series,

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: he said, what is your favorite football memory including the

1305
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? You said the super Bowl, and then you

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01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: also mentioned a memory from playing at a Leaf. Oh yeah,

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: when I played Katie for the first time. Was it

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: Katie was the first time you said your parents had

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01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: ever seen you play? Yeah, well, they didn't know I

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: was playing, and I'm well my mom had an idea,

1311
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: but she hadn't seen me play. You just secretly practiced.

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: You didn't want them to know. I mean, it wasn't

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01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 1: that I didn't want them to know. If they knew,

1314
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: they would have pulled me out of football. Oh okay,

1315
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: what do they want you to do? Wanted to me,

1316
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: wanted me to be a pharmacist or a lawyer or

1317
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, okay, So that game start you

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: played against Katie, and I think you're under selling how

1319
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: well you played. I mean, you had a pretty good

1320
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: game at a decent game. It was. It was fun.

1321
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that game it helped a lot

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: with my recruitment sure to go to college. Um, are

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01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: you give a lot of credit to a leaf just

1324
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: in general? Growing up there? All the creativity, the athletes,

1325
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: the artists that come out of there. You know, I

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: love that Toby called it capital of Houston, Mecca of Houston.

1327
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: What is it about Houston that you think most people

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01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: outside of Houston don't know about it as a city

1329
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: or an a leaf in general? I'll say just the

1330
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: amount of creative minds that come out of a leaf.

1331
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people that might not

1332
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: have like you know, those big names, but like they've

1333
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: worked on a number of things that like we all love,

1334
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: you know. I think a Leaf is just like that

1335
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: creative hub of Houston, you know, so it's pretty cool.

1336
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: I have friends that group in a Leaf and they

1337
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: don't say they're from Houston. They say they're from a Leaf. Yeah,

1338
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: And there's a definite line of like this is a

1339
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: leaf and this is Houston. Oh yeah, so it's definitely

1340
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: a pride thing. A Leaf is definitely Houston, but you

1341
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: know it is Houston, but it's a leaf. It's a

1342
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: leave Houston. Or how did you meet Toby because he's

1343
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: up for Grammy for Best New Artist even though he's

1344
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: not a new artist, very talented guy an actor as well,

1345
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: and you two sort of chopped it up on this

1346
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: crazy crazy really like really crazy. Um. I met Toby

1347
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: about a couple of weeks before we filmed that. Okay,

1348
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: it was our bye week and we were on we

1349
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: were on the same flight. He was in the same

1350
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: row as me. Oh okay, and that's how we met

1351
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: because we both recognized each other, like hey, you're oh yeah, yeah,

1352
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: it was cool, it was it was a coincidence. Yeah,

1353
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: And now you you guys are both in Houston and

1354
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: you get to hang out. Have you seen a lot

1355
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: of this stuff that he's active? For sure? I watched

1356
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: I watched them on a leaf. I mean I watched them.

1357
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: Well that's where I was going with it, because yeah,

1358
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: Moe was filmed. Yeah, I've been. I've been watched them

1359
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: like a day so that same, Yeah, it was good.

1360
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: I feel like you should make an appearance on that.

1361
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean a season two Mo might be making an

1362
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: appearance at one of the Texans games. Oh yeah, if

1363
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: he does that. Yeah, I know, I'm a big I'm

1364
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: a big fan as well. Yeah, I feel like we

1365
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: really that really put a leap on the map just

1366
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: to have a show centered around it. How about you?

1367
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: You recently had a private shopping event that we filmed.

1368
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: So how did you get the brands and the labels

1369
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: and the clothes and the people together for that? Um,

1370
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: it was done through Threads. I don't know if you

1371
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: know the company they like, they like Source Clothes and

1372
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: Style and just a bunch of all things fashion. And

1373
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: one of my friends, she's like, she works for them.

1374
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: She she creates events for them. She asked me if

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01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: they're they're based in like Europe in New York, and

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01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: they asked if, like, if I thought Houston had like,

1377
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, just just I guess the an audience for

1378
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: that okay day And I was like, yeah, for sure,

1379
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: you know, And then I ended up posting the event

1380
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: with my with my best friend Nandi, and it went

1381
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: really well. So how does Houston fashion? Like? What is

1382
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: your style like? Because you've lived in LA you lived here,

1383
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: you travel all over the world, how do you describe

1384
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: your fashion? I like, I like wearing things that like

1385
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess, uh that take you take a while for

1386
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: like to resonate. You know, you might not like it, really,

1387
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: you might not like Yeah, you might not like it initially,

1388
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: but it'll growing. Okay, Well, you picked out something in

1389
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: that video that I think people would notice. Did you

1390
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: buy the watch? Oh yeah I did? Okay, rule X

1391
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: about the Rolex my financial advice. When he sees it,

1392
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill me. Oh my gosh. So we're a

1393
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a secret. I mean, you're in the

1394
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: NFL now, for sure. I'm pretty strict with my budget though. Okay,

1395
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: so that was like a splurge. I can respect a

1396
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: splurge when you're on a budget. How about Larry Larry

1397
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: Tunsel actually said that of all the tea of all

1398
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: of his teammates, he's big in a fashion too. He

1399
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: named you is one of the most fashionable ones. I

1400
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: think he say the same about him, You do know,

1401
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: I think I think because he's an old lineman, he

1402
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: doesn't get as much credit, but I think he's one

1403
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: of the more fashionable people in the NFL. All right,

1404
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: what about other teammates or other players who's fashion you like?

1405
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: I like I like Trey he listed Traymond Smith tre

1406
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: I like Trey Um, I like Malik like Okay, he

1407
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: has his own style. Yeah for a big guy, Yeah,

1408
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to dress while and then you know you

1409
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: have the guys like like Jonathan Nolans. You know he'll

1410
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: put on a nice suit. Yeah. The dbs always sort

1411
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: of play. Yeah, dbs and receivers you you expect, you

1412
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: would expect, But I think this team is different. It's

1413
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: like oh, line d line ye. All right, A well,

1414
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what you do with the rest

1415
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: of the season. Congrats on the sack and thanks so much,

1416
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, A leaves soon, baby obo okaran quo. Awesome stuff.

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01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: There would DP sitter. All right, we get back, Let's

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: go a little in the lab. Drew Doherty and I

1419
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: kick it around next right here in Texans All Access,

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: we go on funnel segment of this edition of Texas

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Speaker 1: All Access from Monday, Texans Radio Studio. I am John Harris,

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: football Analyst, sideline reporter for your Houston Texans and today's

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Speaker 1: And that number is one twenty nine point eight. As

1426
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: much as we would love for that to be the

1427
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: quarterback rating of Davis Mills on Sunday, that the rushing

1428
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: yards allowed by the Cowboys defense, it's twenty fourth in

1429
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. For as great a team as it is.

1430
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: Teams run on them, they don't throw it up much.

1431
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: One nine point eight second in the league passing yards

1432
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: given up Davis Mills, who will start on Sunday. The

1433
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: guys work cut out, But can they run the ball

1434
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: control the clock? That would be awesome. What is awesome

1435
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: is in the lab? Would your Doherty and myself let's

1436
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: dive in, Drew, Let's go, let's here, John, Cowboys weeks.

1437
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: It's another week. You know, every week is a big

1438
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: week in the NFL, but it's been different. Last week

1439
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: was the Browns week with the Sean coming back. This

1440
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: week it's Cowboys week, and holy molly, they smoked the Colts.

1441
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: But you don't get to play the Cowboys. But every

1442
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: four years, yeah, every four years, though, it's a big, big,

1443
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: big build up, and here we are, John, I wass

1444
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: get excited about it. I always get really nervous when

1445
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: I remember. The first one I went to was twenty

1446
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: ten here, and I was covering it for a different

1447
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: radio station, and I just remember, boy, there's a different

1448
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: vibe in this building than the three years that I

1449
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,440
Speaker 1: had seen prior to that. You were two and oh yeah,

1450
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: and of course in the Cowboys putting on us in

1451
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: twenty ten, I was like, man, but it really was

1452
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen going up there. That was my first

1453
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: year on the sidelines, my first year being around you

1454
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: and and everybody, and I just remember you and I

1455
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: talked about a twenty ten game a little bit and

1456
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: how crazy I thought that was, and I remember you saying, like,

1457
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: I got a feeling this is gonna be pretty crazy too,

1458
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: And then you look around and you just saw red

1459
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: everywhere and like it was a college football game because

1460
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: we half and half. Yeah, basically they had to go

1461
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: to silent count. That was amazing Cowboys did was because

1462
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: of the Texans fans that showed up. I remember them

1463
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: saying that. I remember Tony Romo was saying that, I'm like,

1464
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: holy cow, Like we were getting at out there everywhere

1465
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: we could look. They had to go to the silent

1466
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: down on their own building. That was huge. And then

1467
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: the game itself was great up until the game winning

1468
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: field goal that didn't go our way, but we didn't

1469
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: give the ball to Arian Foster. Yeah enough, Yeah, well exactly.

1470
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: He was the one I got us in and that's

1471
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: got us back into that second half. But that environment

1472
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: that day, I always felt like was so unique because

1473
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, whenever you play an FFL game, you

1474
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: never play an NFL game in neutral siting list is

1475
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Of course that's gonna be a whole different

1476
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: balow wax down the road. So from that perspective, the

1477
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: environment that was almost fifty fifth. I just never forget

1478
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson standing in the end zone after Aaron had

1479
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: scored and the play was opposite him. So the play

1480
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: went to the right and Andrea was to left, and

1481
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: after we scored to tie it to send it overtime,

1482
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: Andre was just in the corner and I already this

1483
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: up in that corner, but he was looking at our

1484
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: fans in the corner and he was just pumping his

1485
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 1: arms and getting real excited. And that's why I wanted

1486
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: to win that game, made like more than anything was

1487
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: because those guys had not beaten Dallas, and they had

1488
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: that opportunity to do it, and of course didn't happen

1489
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: that day, but I just remember being on a bust

1490
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: and the way him I turned and mark and went,

1491
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: I've never been in something like that for that reason,

1492
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: and I don't. I think a lot of us in

1493
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: that building had been the way we've been a probably split,

1494
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: you know fifty fifty, you know college games, of course,

1495
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: you know neutral side. I used to go to Florida,

1496
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: Georgia all the time, and that was split. That was

1497
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 1: spoil games, ball games. But I had not seen anything

1498
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: like that. So, well, see how many fans go up

1499
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: there for this one. But these guys are good. These

1500
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: guys are really good. We talked to Nick as Sarrio

1501
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: earlier this week, and the first thing he said it

1502
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: was it was alway like Captain obvious, but I know

1503
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: exactly what he was saying. He was like, these guys

1504
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: are good. You can tell the way he was saying it,

1505
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: like his eyes like Okay, they're not just like yeah,

1506
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: they're good. These guys are really they're really good. They're

1507
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: complete um and they've got elite talent, a lot of

1508
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: different a lot of different spots on that roster um.

1509
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: There are a lot like the Eagles, not regard. They've

1510
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: got a lot of different um, a lot of different studs,

1511
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: a lot of different spots. So you gotta go in there,

1512
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: as they say, and hit the eight hundred pound guerrilla

1513
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: right in the mouth and see how they respond. Yeah,

1514
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, we hit a stretch over the last month

1515
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: and a half or so where you were you were

1516
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: seeing great defensive linemen on the interior, but there was

1517
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: also a stretched their earlier overlapping with that where you

1518
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: were you were hit hitting some run games or holy moley,

1519
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: well that's back, yes that duo. Goodness gracious, and you

1520
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: can go with either one. But Pollard yikes, John yikes.

1521
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: And then before after we get into that we gotta

1522
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: get we gotta rewind a little bit too last weekend,

1523
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,839
Speaker 1: which meshes with this twenty fourteen game that we mentioned.

1524
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: But go ahead. Pollard and Elliott fits so well together.

1525
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: And I remember when Pollard was drafted, that was what

1526
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: I said. It was like, Man, I think he's gonna

1527
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: compliment Zeke really well. I think it's actually kind of

1528
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: flipped now absolutely, I think I think Elliott is the

1529
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: compliment to Pollard. Pollard's got that out of the backfield quickness.

1530
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: He's got the route running. I mean, he is dynamic

1531
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: out in the flat catching the football in space, but

1532
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: he also runs really hard between the tackles. And they've

1533
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: done a really nice job without Tying Smith playing Tyler

1534
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: Smith and left tackle the rookie. He's had some really

1535
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: good moments this year, had a really good game last game.

1536
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: So Elliott compliments Polled now where it used to be

1537
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: the other way around. So you get a handle on

1538
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: Pollard running all those routes and out in space, and

1539
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: all of a sudden here comes Zeke Boom, boom boom,

1540
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: and he's still got some juice. I felt like a

1541
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, maybe he's starting to lose that juice.

1542
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: He's still got that juice. And I think because Pollard

1543
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: has taken a lot of that that hammering off of Elliott,

1544
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: He's fresher at the end of games. He's fresher at

1545
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: the end of season. So that running back tandem. You

1546
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: think about what we have faced at the running back

1547
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: position this year, I think this is the best tandem

1548
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: that we've seen. Yeah, we've seen better backs right individually, yes,

1549
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen this this tandem like you're talking

1550
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 1: about that can play together. It's such a high, high level. Yeah,

1551
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: that comes very close to some of these best backs

1552
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: that we've seen. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean we think about

1553
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: facing would you rather face Derek Henry or would you

1554
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: rather face Poltan Elliott? Right, And it's like, man, I

1555
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: don't know, run run defenses coming around a little bit.

1556
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: It's playing a little bit better. He got the safety

1557
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: last week's stuff and Nick Chubb in the end zone

1558
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: last year's or last week's group. Chubb and Hunt pretty good.

1559
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: But it's the way these two are fitting together in Dallas,

1560
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: I think is very very interesting. I don't want to

1561
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: say Chubb and Hunter are the same guy, but they're

1562
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: doing similar things with them. They're not doing similar things

1563
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: with Pollot and Elliott. They're doing much different things. So

1564
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: as a defense, you have to recognize, okay, is this zeke? Okay,

1565
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: this is probably more run, maybe more boot and play

1566
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: action with Pollard. There all kinds of things that they

1567
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: can do. How are they gonna get him the football?

1568
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: The linebackers are gonna be on full alert when twenty

1569
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard has got the football or when he is

1570
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: wherever he is, they're gonna have to have their eyes

1571
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: on him and know what he can do with that spot.

1572
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: In that forty and three win over the Vikings, the

1573
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: Vikings decided to play man coverage on Tony Pollard and

1574
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: he just smoked an inside linebacker. He just smoked Hicks.

1575
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: He's ran right by him. Dak's got thrown out there.

1576
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: And then of course there's Dak Prescott too, because I

1577
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: think he's the perfect perfect fit for that offense right now.

1578
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: I think he's playing well. The whole offense is playing well,

1579
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: and they're hot. So you got to go in there

1580
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: and hopully they overlook you a little bit because the record,

1581
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: and you go in there and bust them right in

1582
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: my mouth. Now, would you say you were the Ed

1583
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: Reid of the Brown football team or were you the

1584
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: Ronnie lot of the Brown football team? Um, that was

1585
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: probably more like the shadow Ko of the Okay, Well,

1586
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: there's been a little bit of a switch position wise

1587
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks. Jalen Petrie been playing some

1588
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: free safety. We heard about it from Lovey Smith post game.

1589
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: We heard about it from Jalen Petrie post game, and

1590
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure Joe Danna when he talks with the media

1591
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: on Thursday's gonna get asked about it and talk to

1592
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 1: talk about it. But it's been a nice move because

1593
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: what do we see from Petree When he was a

1594
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: Baylor He was all over the place, He's kind of

1595
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: playing close to the line of scrimmage. But over the

1596
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks he's been, you know, more of

1597
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: a free safety type and this has been a very

1598
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: advantageous switch for him, wouldn't you agree? They've both said it,

1599
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: But I want to hear it from you, a guy

1600
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: who's played the position at a pretty high level in college.

1601
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: What's it been like for him? What have you seen

1602
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: in that regard? Well, I think when you when you

1603
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: have a guy that has a high football like Q,

1604
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: free safety is a great spot for him because you

1605
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: see everything. You don't always end up in man coverage.

1606
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's free safety, you're gonna play

1607
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 1: cover two, Cover four, you're gonna play you know, two

1608
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: safety high looks, and both safeties are playing in at

1609
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: that point. But when you go to single safety hide looks,

1610
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: you're playing cover one, so you're free to rome cover three.

1611
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: Got middle of the field coverage and some of the

1612
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: things that you can do in a single high safety look.

1613
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: I think that benefits a really smart athletic football player

1614
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: back there. And I think that's the way the coaching

1615
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: staff looked at and said, look, because of the coverage

1616
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: we play, maybe Jalen's a better fit back there. And

1617
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: I think what Jalen was able to do he last

1618
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: week and we talked with Naked Lovely about this, the

1619
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: play that he makes in the interception, I don't think

1620
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 1: got enough credit. I think, Bieb, we're excited it was

1621
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: a third inception you finally, Collins. I don't think people

1622
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: gave enough credit. He did a little bit of baton

1623
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: on that one. He did. The Browns Ram was called

1624
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: a Mills route. Essentially, it's a post with a dig,

1625
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: and so the premise is it's perfect against cover three

1626
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: because you forced the free safety have to make a decision,

1627
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of times a free safety with bad eyes,

1628
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: we'll see that dig and I'm jumping on that. Especially

1629
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: down in the red zone. You jump on a dig

1630
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: and then boom, they stick the post behind you. So

1631
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: if you stay with the post, they'll stick the dig.

1632
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: If you go to the dig, they'll hit the post. Well,

1633
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: he started to go with the dig and then he

1634
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: realized what was happening and he immediately stopped and peeled

1635
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: back and went the other way. And I don't think DeShawn,

1636
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: with DWEM four in his face, was able to see

1637
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: Jalen going back. I think he saw Jalen starting the

1638
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: dig down four. Very underrated part of this play. Very

1639
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: planted and planted DeShawn. It was a great great those

1640
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,440
Speaker 1: two guys. I mean, he went right through the double team.

1641
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: And I don't think because DWE four is right there

1642
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: in Deshawn's face, DeShawn didn't see Jalen redirect back. I

1643
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: think he saw him initially in a dig, so he

1644
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: made the right read, but with dump pour in his face,

1645
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't see it, and so Jalen jumped that post

1646
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: route got the interception. It was so perfectly played. It

1647
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: was so perfectly play. Yeah, that's the way Joe Dana,

1648
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: I guarantee you taught it, and that's the way they

1649
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: teach it. You're gonna they're gonna run Mills route, post dig.

1650
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: How do you play that? If the dig is coming

1651
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: across and it continues on, you let your And that's

1652
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: what exactly what happened. Desmond King dropped back into his

1653
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: own the dig was getting there, King picked it up,

1654
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: he dropped off, Petrie dropped off and made the pick.

1655
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: That's just a brilliant, smart football play. Yeah. And when

1656
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: you're athletic and you work as hard as he does

1657
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: both in the meeting room watching film out on the field,

1658
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up with those plays. And so moving

1659
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: him back to free safety, I felt like was just

1660
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant move and hopefully we're going to see

1661
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: more of that from Jalen. Petrie just kind of taking

1662
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: charge and he reminds me a little bit from that

1663
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: in that way of Jesse Bates from the Bengals, with

1664
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: that kind of range playing free safety, I think Jayalen's

1665
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: probably about tackler, whereas Jesse might be a little bit

1666
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: better in deeper coverage right now. Yeah, um, but I

1667
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: think they're both similar in that way. Smart athletic get

1668
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: to the football, make good, solid tackles, but yet a

1669
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: force in past garbage in the middle of the field.

1670
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: And that's what we need Jaylen Petrie to be if

1671
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna stay free safety, which i'd imagine that he will.

1672
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Andre Johnson and Arian Foster

1673
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: earlier because they're both here at the game on Sunday. Yeah.

1674
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: And I actually got a chance to say hello and

1675
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: catch up just a little bit with Arian after the game,

1676
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: and it was good. I saw him and I said, dude,

1677
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: you look like you can still go get seventy five

1678
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: eighty yards Like no, no, no, no no, but he still

1679
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: looks good. He's in shape. That's awesome. Man. Yeah. I

1680
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: was like, what'd you get to see and interact with

1681
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: any any old faces. He's like, yeah, man, it was

1682
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: great to see Andrea was right to see Chester pits

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: Travis Johnson, So it was fun, fun, just very very

1684
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: briefly catching up with him and seeing him around the building.

1685
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: I want to see him more in the building. Absolutely

1686
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: Man's building. He's one of our greats. I mean, just

1687
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: so many fun, fun memories of that guy. And it

1688
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: was good to see Arian Foster so Arian somehow, some

1689
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: way you're listening to this, Yeah, man, miss you bro

1690
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: come on the lab, you come on lave with us

1691
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: to be awesome. Always always boy, that would be it

1692
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: would be something else. John, I always love doing this

1693
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: with you, my friend. It's gonna be fun. It's been

1694
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: an ugly season. When you when you've lost ten games,

1695
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: it's it's ugly. It's u g l y. You ain't

1696
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: got no alibi. There are lots of alibis. But I

1697
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: can't wait for this game because, like we mentioned earlier on,

1698
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: it's always always fun play in the Dallas Cowboys. They're

1699
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: having a little in the lab with your Doughty and myself.

1700
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: And a big thanks to Drew todpeat Oboke Rock Quote,

1701
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: to Mark Vandamiry, Brad Sham and of course Nick Cassari,

1702
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much for a listening. We'll see you tomorrow.

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01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: Everybody and has always go Texans.