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Speaker 1: which is just a beautiful sport. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm

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Speaker 2: It's not really that wild.

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Speaker 2: I want to learn more about your your excellent violin playing.

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Speaker 1: Hall at this point, and I distinctly I was so

431
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Speaker 1: obsessed with football on Sundays. It was my favorite thing

432
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: in the world. And I remember going to my mom

433
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: and dad and being like, I want to play Pop

434
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: Warner football, Like I just I really want to try this.

435
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: And my mom just flat out looked at me and

436
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: she's like, my mom's like five five and my dad's

437
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: like six foot and they're both crowny people. And my

438
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: mom looked at me and she's like, look at the

439
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 1: two of us, what part of this like makes you

440
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: thinking you're not going to play football? And she was like, look,

441
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: you're already graded something. I'm not going to let you

442
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: sack of something you're great at because you want to

443
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: try football when you're just gonna get murdered doing it.

444
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: And that's my mom. Like my mom was always very

445
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: My mom was the type to walk in the room

446
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: if I was practicing and just take it out of

447
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: my hand and always say, if that's the best you

448
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: can play the damn thing today, put it away. Like

449
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: my mom's very direct. But I always respected that because

450
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: I think I would have totally gotten off track on

451
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: what I ended up being great at just because I

452
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: wanted to play a little bit of Pop Warner football.

453
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: And I know my athleticism now is a grown ass man.

454
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: I never should have played football, right, I know this.

455
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: I accept it.

456
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to think that the hard I think the hard

457
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 2: part as a parent is not wanting to like to

458
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: like squash, you know, the wanting to play sports and

459
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: wanting to be a part of a team and wanting

460
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: to put the effort in right. You don't want to

461
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 2: tell your kids no for those reasons sometimes, But I

462
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 2: understand where your mom is coming, especially if you're good

463
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: at something else, right is you don't want to to

464
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: use up any sort of time doing something that you're

465
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 2: not good at. It might not have a future. So

466
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: it's a difficult part about it. I think I'm being

467
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: a parent, like you want your kids to have fun

468
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 2: and play sports and be involved in the community. But

469
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like you said, your your mom tells you like, hey, man,

470
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: it's not for you.

471
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh, my friends tell me all the time. I'm the

472
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: worst my friends with kids, cause like I'll go to

473
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: a dancer recitle for one of their kids because I

474
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: want to be a supportive buddy, you know, and it's like,

475
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's eight or nine years old, she's

476
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: doing her best up there, and I'm like, yeah, I

477
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: was already a chillier. Like it makes me the worst,

478
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: I know it, But I go to these things. I'm like,

479
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: your kid doesn't have talent. I don't know how to

480
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: tell you this, Like your kid's just not good.

481
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh, because they think they do. They ask you like

482
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Speaker 2: can can Mike?

483
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, people think that they're like American Idol is living,

484
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: breathing proof that parents need to be more honest with

485
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Speaker 1: their kids. Sometimes at some point, like somebody and I

486
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: think parents are the delusional ones too. Like half the time,

487
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: you know, a parent will sit there and be like, oh,

488
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: you should really listen to my kid, And then I

489
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: listen and I'm like, yeah, your kids sucks. I don't

490
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: know how to tell you this, but like your kid

491
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: is not musically talented, like your kid's tone deaf. And

492
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like but then the prints are like no, no, no, no, no,

493
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: they're good, and it's like, ah, man, I'm sorry, your

494
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: kid's not going to be famous. Like if you're asking me, look,

495
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: we're all wrong sometimes, but man, your kid doesn't have

496
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: that it factor. Like somebody's got to be honest with people.

497
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Speaker 2: Thankfully, I have not had anyone ask me those things

498
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: about their parents, their kids about like football and baseball whatnot.

499
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: Wow.

500
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: So wow, I guess. I guess it's maybe different in

501
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: the in the music world.

502
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: Also a number of people that you think, so.

503
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Speaker 2: I don't really have that question about whether they could

504
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: make it, anyone can make it or not.

505
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Speaker 1: I always loved when people will come up after a

506
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: concert and like, you know, when the band was lucky

507
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: enough to have a bunch of hits and we're touring

508
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: all over the world, and you know, people will come

509
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: up after a concert and the thing that I heard

510
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: more than anything in my life was, oh, man, you

511
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: know what, I played the violin in fourth grade. I

512
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: should have stuck with it. And I'm always like, yeah, yeah,

513
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: because if you'd just stuck with it, like, there's no

514
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: like I've always I'm very very blessed, I'm very very lucky.

515
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: I worked my ass off and I was given a

516
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Speaker 1: set of talent that I I don't understand why I

517
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: was given and I'm very honored to have it. But

518
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: whenever somebody's like, oh, man, I should have stuck with it,

519
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, because if you'd have practiced forty minutes

520
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: a day for a few years, you'd be where. It's

521
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: a weird conception with music, where just because it's like

522
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: NBA players complain about the fact that the coverage of

523
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: their sport is skewed because so many people can play

524
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: rec league basketball, music is that times a thousand, because

525
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: so many people can sit down and play a chord

526
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: at the piano, They're like, oh, I could have been

527
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: a musician. It's like that's a lot more than that.

528
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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd imagine. So again, I'm the least music a

529
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: talent of person ever, So I couldn't even tell you,

530
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: like where to be given on that, But yeah, I

531
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: mean it's talented, and you know, sometimes luck plays a

532
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: role in it, but yeah, you have to have that

533
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: baseline of talent to be successful, and it feels like

534
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 2: it with music. You can tell pretty early, right if

535
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: someone has it or they don't.

536
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the earlier the better too, because like,

537
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: as you get older, you learn that you're dominant to

538
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: one hand or the other, Like you learn that you're

539
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: right handed, can't do anything with your left, and most

540
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: good musical instruments required to be as ambidextrous as possible.

541
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: So the earlier you start, That's why little kids that

542
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: start when they're four are more successful than kids that

543
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: start with their twelve, because when you're twelve, you're like, well,

544
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Speaker 1: I can't do anything with my left hand, you know

545
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. So he's Jeff Swartz, I'm Jason Fitza.

546
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: Now that we've given you a music tutorial, let's give

547
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: you a college football playoff tutorial here because a suggestion

548
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: was made it SEC Media Days for a thirty team

549
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: college football playoff. What say you, Jeff?

550
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: At this point, I think I'm willing to go back

551
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: to the BCS. I'm like willing to just to just

552
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: to end this all and go back to the BCS.

553
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: The BCS seems fine in hindsight, right, Like we just

554
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: got the two best teams that played one game and

555
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: made it happen. Here's the thing about the postseason in

556
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: my mind, Okay, postseasons are for determining champions They're not

557
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: participation tournaments. I think the postseasons in many sports are

558
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: too big. Now, they're too big. We don't need we

559
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: don't need a seventh NFL you know, participant in the

560
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: post reason and that team gets smoked every year in

561
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: the postseason. We wouldn't need it anymore. It's not needed. Okay,

562
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: it's not needed to have to you know, to have to,

563
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: you know, to need thirty teams in a postseason. Twelve

564
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: is probably too much. Now. Twelve works because you get

565
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: excitement for your team to make the postseason. Twelve works

566
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: because you get all the all the conference champions in.

567
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: It's a clean tournament, it doesn't taking very long. But

568
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: the point of any of these things is to win

569
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: a championship. And I can tell you right now, the

570
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: seven teams that have a chance to win a championship

571
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: in collachable this season about talent acquisition, right, That's what

572
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: it's about, coaching talent acquisition. So it's mainly to sixteen, eighteen,

573
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: twenty four, thirty. Whatever you want to do is about

574
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: making a participation tournament, not about crying a champion. Now,

575
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: if you want to, if you want that that's to me,

576
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: that's fine. If you want to make this into and

577
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: I'll watch all the football, you watch all the football,

578
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it. If you want to make this

579
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: into a participation tournament, which is like, hey, you win

580
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: nine to three, here's your reward for ninety three, you're

581
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: a playoff team. If you want that to be what

582
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: this is. Okay about argument, but you cannot sell me

583
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: on we need more competition for a championship. Therefore we

584
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: need thirty teams. That's not gonna compute in my brain,

585
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: doesn't work that way. You're not winning a championship that way.

586
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: But if you frame it as a participation tournament, okay,

587
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: I buy that. But thirty teams as a competitive way

588
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: to the tournament champion is really silly to me.

589
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: I think at some point, if you're going to want

590
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: a thirty team college football playoff, as was suggested at SEC.

591
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Media liked what's by the Missouri head coach, Yes, thank.

592
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: You if you if that's what you're shooting for. To me,

593
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: you're basically just saying, okay, we want to recreate the

594
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: NCAA March madness vibe, and with that we are just

595
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: accepting that we're gonna get slaughters in the first round

596
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: with the hope that once every decade, somehow somebody shocks

597
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: the world. But for the most part, you're just gonna

598
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: sit and sit down and absorb that. What I think

599
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: therefore getting in that process is that part of the

600
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: reason March madness is March madness is because that sixteen

601
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: to one game, that fifteen to two game is rarely

602
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: a standalone game where we're just sitting there watching this

603
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: one slaughter happen. And that's the difference. Like when you've

604
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: got four TVs going at once and everybody's gambling on

605
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: all of it, then it's a great time. There's nothing

606
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: better than the INCI tournament. And frankly, you care about

607
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: the margin of victory because there's money on it. And

608
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: if this thing turns out to be shocking, great, you're

609
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: watching the last six minutes of it. But for the

610
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: most part, that game is just buried. In the college

611
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: football world, the windows are treated so differently. We're going

612
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: to be stuck suffering through a number one team taking

613
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: on a number thirty two team in all of college football,

614
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and that's just going to be a terrible game. And

615
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: then everybody's going to sit there and say, oh my god,

616
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? And people are going to

617
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: complain about having to watch a blowout, So like, that's

618
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: the lose lose.

619
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: On it to me, it is, It absolutely is the

620
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: lose lose And that's why I think that were unlikely

621
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: to get any sort of difference in a championship result.

622
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: If you go to expanded playoff, you're just gonna get

623
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: people complaining about the end result, which again is not

624
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: where you want to be. But look, people complain no

625
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: matter what about everything. That's not going to change life.

626
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: But you know, even a fourteen playoff, I think the

627
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: goal for me is just finding a champion. It's pretty simple,

628
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: and that's the best way to do it.

629
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess it comes down to that core.

630
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: What are we looking for? Do you want the best

631
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: team to be a champion or do you just want chaos?

632
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Or do you want more meaningful football? And I think

633
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: the real answer, you know, if you're Missouri, you just

634
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: want to find a way to get included in this

635
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: thing because it means money and exposure and you're banking

636
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: on fans just want meaningful games. Like I'm not sure

637
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: that a random Missouri UNLV game is going to move

638
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: the needle. But if it's a Missouri UNLV playoff game,

639
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: people will watch it. So you're just banking on people's

640
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: desperation for football as being a reason to catch it

641
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: that way.

642
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Which again, it's it's fine to say that, but we

643
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: can't say we want more competition for a championship. If

644
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: you want more eyeballs to your program, great. If you

645
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: want games to matter, great, but you know, if you

646
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: want the regular season to sort of matter more. But

647
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Speaker 2: I will say that as someone who you know, I'm

648
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Speaker 2: an Organ guy who who roots for a team that

649
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: is basically a perennial playoff team, it will be. It

650
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: does change the way I view the organ regular season,

651
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: where I don't view it as every game is due

652
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: or death right, like it like every game you lose

653
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: your out of the playoff. I viewed as like a

654
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: dude as an NFL fan, where it's like, okay, you

655
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: lose a game or two, like how's that? How does that?

656
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Speaker 2: How does that get you ready to play in the postseason?

657
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: So that you know there's it's you look at things

658
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: I think a little bit differently because you do an

659
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: opportunity to make the playoff with a couple of losses.

660
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: And last year, you know, we don't get know how

661
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: to stay as a champion. And they're probably were the

662
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: best team even with multiple losses. If we have a

663
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: shorter playoff, right, obviously fourteen playoff, they wouldn't even be in.

664
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Speaker 2: But so that's why I think twelve is probably just

665
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: about perfect. It's about where we need to be, and

666
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: that's where we should keep it. Thirty teams sixteen. I

667
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: don't I don't get I don't get the purpose of

668
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: continuing to you know, to to make this like more

669
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: than more than has to be. And you know, drinking

670
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: with I get it. You know, I get his thoughts

671
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: and and you know fits us right about wanting uh,

672
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, more exposure and and and I understand that

673
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: the conferences with these TV contracts, like you get more

674
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: playoff teams, you end up probably with more money, you

675
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: end up with more exposure. All those things are important

676
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: to building a program, to building a conference and building

677
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: fan base and excitement, especially when now you're paying players. Right,

678
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: the more money you're able to generate, the more money

679
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: you're able to bring in your program, the more able

680
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: to play players. It's it's it's this cascade effect. But

681
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: I fundamentally believe that post seasons should be designed for

682
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: picking champions. And I just don't think that making a

683
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: postseason that is thirty teams is not You're not getting

684
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: a different champion with thirty teams, You're actually probably getting fits.

685
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: I would even argue, I agree with this last year,

686
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: that expanded playoff actually benefits the better teams because the

687
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: depth they have on their roster. A shorter playoff you

688
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: can get by with injury or two a four. You know,

689
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: at sixteen team playoff, A thirty teen playoff we need

690
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: to play three, four or five games. That benefits Ohio

691
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: State and Texas at Oregon and Georgia more than a

692
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: short playoff system.

693
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Speaker 1: And you're right. And I also think that instead of

694
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Speaker 1: focusing on the number of playoff teams, I think, honestly

695
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: we should be focusing on how to get the best

696
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: playoff teams. And which is its own weird conversation. You

697
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: mentioned your background with the PAC twelve, which I think

698
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: is important in these in these talks because there are

699
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: certainly schools that are trying to find a way to

700
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: get included into the college football playoff. I just don't know.

701
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: For me, when we sit here and yell about what

702
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it looks like, I think we should be focused more

703
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: on how do we get the best teams in. I'm

704
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: a big proponent it'll never happen. But I'm a big

705
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: proponent of if it's a twelve team playoff. I just

706
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: want the twelve best teams in college football. I don't

707
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Speaker 1: give a damn where they came from. I don't care

708
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: if all twelve of them are a SIS see one year.

709
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Speaker 1: I don't care if all twelve of them big ten.

710
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. I just want twelve best. I don't

711
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: know how you find the line between getting the best

712
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: in and then getting enough people around the country in

713
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: to make it work. But I don't think adding more

714
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: teams solves that problem.

715
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, the twelve best is an interesting discussion because

716
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I do think you want to reward someone from winning

717
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: a conference. I think it's it's pretty difficult to do that,

718
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: and so I'm okay with rewarding you know, a team

719
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: and a group of five. It's just you understand that

720
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: team is just not going to have playoff success. It's

721
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: it's that simple. They're just gonna And you're right, maybe

722
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: one year they do. But you know, the thing about

723
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: about two is, you know we turn to you know,

724
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: Boys Estate beating Oklahoma, right, or we turn to UCF

725
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: beatings they beat someone at a bowl game one year, a

726
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Right, You have to like those.

727
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: When you play a big dog that just lost their

728
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: conference championship game, like in the Peach Bowl, that team

729
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: is checked out. Man. It's a lot of different when you

730
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: play them in a playoffs and we saw last season

731
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: when play a team in a playoff setting versus just

732
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: a bowl game, it's a lot different, man. Their mindset

733
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: is different, their focus is different. You're not gonna get

734
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: many upsets. It's just the way it's gonna be. No,

735
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, you might get one that sort of

736
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: saves the whole thing you feel great about. It certainly

737
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: possible that that one, like you know, makes it all

738
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: worth it. But I mean that one is gonna be

739
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: very fleeting, man. It's not gonna happen very often.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the one at I mean at what expense

741
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: like that You get the one every once in a

742
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: while that comes through. It's a nice story. But like,

743
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: do we really believe that the thirtieth best team in

744
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: college football would have a shot at a national championship.

745
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So then what are we doing?

746
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: No chance? I mean that's the other hard part about this,

747
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: all that to say, the sport itself, to your point

748
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is. Next to Jeff Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Fitz, He's Jeff Schwartz. This song is a fraud, Jeff,

762
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: because the devil solo is way cooler than Johnny. The

763
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: whole problem and I told Charlie Daniels a RP this

764
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: when I had the chance to interact with him. The

765
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Speaker 1: whole problem with this song is that Johnny didn't really win,

766
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Like the fix was in from the outset, the Devil

767
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: beat Johnny, and the Devil actually should have won Georgia.

768
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Speaker 1: I mean, there we go. I got. I don't even

769
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Speaker 1: think it's arguable.

770
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Speaker 2: I thought about that deeply.

771
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine why, just like you know, most people

772
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: probably get false starts wrong. Your Twitter mentions, most people

773
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: get the Devil went down to Georgia wrong in mine

774
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: holding holding wrong all the time, all the time. Okay,

775
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: so hear me out college football. Everybody's yelling and screaming.

776
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: But you said something earlier that I think is important.

777
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: I think we have more balance coming into this year

778
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: than we've had in a long time. And when you

779
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: look at recruiting numbers, which I know are tougher now

780
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: in the world, but you're seeing recruits go to more

781
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: schools than ever, it's spread out more than ever. You've

782
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: got more opportunity for schools than ever to decide how

783
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: they want to compete. In the modern market, you've got

784
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: a better opportunity in the transfer portal for teams to

785
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: be able to turn around and do what they need

786
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: as they need it. Replacing players has become easier than ever.

787
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Because of all of that, I would argue that when

788
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: you look at the top I don't know, fifteen to

789
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty programs this year, we're going to see a better

790
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: spread angst the top fifteen or twenty programs that we've

791
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: seen in a long time.

792
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. I do understand if you're one

793
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: of the teams that's sort of uh not in that group,

794
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: not liking losing your talent every season to the portal,

795
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: which I totally understand, like that would frustrate me as well.

796
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: But the top, you know, is going to be very competitive, right,

797
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you look in you look at

798
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: like the handful of teams that probably can win now,

799
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: and you know that's the same way every year, but

800
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: that number expands by it seems like a couple of schools

801
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: every year. Look Ohio State obviously, Oregon, Penn State, right,

802
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, LSU probably feels that way

803
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: this season. You know, you look at it at the

804
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Big twelve. There's teams that feel like they have an

805
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to win. I mean there's Clebs in this year

806
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: is gonna be really really good Miami. I mean like

807
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: there's there's there's a lot of good teams.

808
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: This season, one hundred percent. The hardest part is what

809
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: happens to the teams that and this has been my

810
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: contention for the last couple of year years. What happens

811
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: to the teams that are pretty good and are used

812
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: to being relevant because of it? Like what happens to

813
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: the Wisconsins, Like in the modern climate right now? What

814
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: happens to the Floridas? What happens to these teams that

815
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: consider themselves to be prominent, but they're frankly not going

816
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: to be prominent enough to hold on to players compared

817
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: to some of the other programs that will have more

818
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: money and have a better chance at a champions.

819
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: They just got to figure they got to get better.

820
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: I don't tell you like they have to figure out

821
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: a way to perform better and play better and keep

822
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: that talent. It's kind of that simple. And you know Wisconsin,

823
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: for example, you know they they they are going through

824
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: a transition physic offensively every year. Now with with Fickle there,

825
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: like they're trying to find a way to get the

826
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: best they can offensively, and for so many years they

827
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: did things one way. They're trying to fix that. But yeah, look,

828
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: with change, you have to adapt in some part to

829
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: have adapted better than than other ones.

830
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Speaker 1: I mean for every oh my god, that sucks for

831
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, Wisconsin that's trying to figure out how to compete.

832
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: Then you've got in Indiana that last year to the

833
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: world by storm, which is the other side of this, Like,

834
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, can't we look at some of that as

835
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: a positive? Like I struggle to see what's so broken

836
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: when you're just coming off of a year where, whether

837
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: it was an anominally or not, Indiana and Boise State

838
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: were able to make so much noise. Like I would

839
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: argue that, you know, Barry otom leaving UNLV for Purdue,

840
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: he has a better chance. He had a better chance

841
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: at the college Football Playoff at UNLV, then he's going

842
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: to have at Purdue. But you never know, correct.

843
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: And that thing is otim is a good example. I mean,

844
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, can he get the talent necessary PUE to

845
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: win like that? That's gonna be his biggest problem. We

846
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: know you can coach, can you get the talent.

847
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: And the talent, well, it's all attainable. You just got

848
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: to write a check. Yeah, that's I mean, I understand that.

849
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Then people will scream, all it shouldn't be that way.

850
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't know why, Like, you just got to write

851
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: a check. If you're Googled and you want to have

852
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: the best tech employees in the world, you just got

853
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: to write a check, you know. And if you if

854
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: you want to have the best football team, you just

855
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: got to write a check. I don't I don't understand

856
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Speaker 1: why that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: It's not. It's just bad when it comes to college athletes. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: otherwise no one seems to care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's look, I want to live in a world

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Speaker 1: where ald in a world where everybody gets rich and

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Speaker 1: where all of these teams win, but most importantly, where

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Speaker 1: you feel like, hey, you can control your own destiny,

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Speaker 1: And to me, having the power to write a check

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Speaker 1: means in some ways you at least control your own

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Speaker 1: destiny and your chance to be competitive. That's all we

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Speaker 1: can ask for. All we can ask for you guys

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Speaker 1: to do is keep hanging out with Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the course of the day, He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jason Fitz. Thanks for listening to two pros and a

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Speaker 1: cup of Joe. Have a wonderful Friday, y'all.