1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm the biepock mang Gender. Welcome to Like a Virgin 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the show. Will we give Yesterday's pop culture, Today's takes. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: My name's Rose. Damn you let me swallow my Hall's 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: lozenge real quick and let my co host introduce themselves. 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Oh it's Rand Torondo. Um. Rose and I are reporting 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: to you live from our Um. We're merging from the sickness, 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the sickness that sweeps the gay cough that sweeps our 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: our community. And every time to see the gay cough, 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: because I know straight people who have colds now too, 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: We're not We're not doing that. It's not it's not 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: specific to gay people. I'm also really hopeful that the 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: gay cough did like rise and then go extinct in 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty, which was truly nightmarish when 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: everybody caught that. Do you remember. Yeah, I also fully 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: caught this cold that I'm coming off of from my 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: straight relatives. So there's nothing gay about it. Could not 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: be could not be more, um more from the head 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: of aero patriarchy. Um, I'm coming off of having a 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: horrible cold, which honestly was most upsetting to me, not 20 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: only because I was sick, which I hate being sick. 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: But also I had so many cute plans this weekend. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: I was supposed to go see Titanic and three D 23 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: on the big screen. Devastated now it's out of theaters. Um. 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Howd a friend's birthday dinner to go to? And then 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: on Sunday, my friend was taking me to the ballet 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: and I had to miss it. No, what would you know? 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: What ballet? Was it? Sleeping Beauty at Lincoln. I'm Chakowski 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: is my face. It's the only thing I'll show up 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: to a ballet for. I'm devastated. I had had a 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: whole outfit planned. I was me fit, pick, let's go 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: to the Valet Rose. I think I still want to go. 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: I want to get tickets and go. Um even though, 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: but you know, this was free, so I was very 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: much looking forward to that. We love free. Oh I'm 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: still flemy. And then of course yesterday was the day 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I was finally feeling better, and I had therapy this morning, 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: to therapy. I'm gonna like get dressed up and wear 39 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: cute outfit and put makeup on and like be alive 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: for the first time in a week. And I woke 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: up this morning in like horrific neck pain because I 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: slept weird, and so I had to do therapy remotely. 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: So it's like I just can't win. My body is 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: falling apart. Oh no, oh god. Honestly, I'm like same 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: but different Mike. Mike hold is not as intense. It's 46 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: been like a loose cough this whole weekend that I 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: have tried to party my way through bad idea. I 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: did get COVID tested at the very least um, but 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: now last night I just like found myself getting sick. 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: And do you know what I have been doing with 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: my downtime over the last I guess, like I would say, 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: six five or six days now, I have a feeling 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: it involves reclining and watching a television show. It involves 54 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: rewatching Ugly Betty, which I hit play on season one, 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: episode one when I was in New York last weekend 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: and rose I have consumed now almost a complete three 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: seasons of Ugly Betty about to encroach on the fourth. 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I am honestly I feel insane, Like no, what should 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: you should have feel insane? Because I it tis the 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: season to rewatch familiar TV. I'm neck deep in a 61 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer rewatch and I started two and 62 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: a half weeks ago, perhaps who am now currently? I 63 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: just started season five and okay those are these are 64 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: twenty episode you know, forty five minute long. And I 65 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: mean to be fair, like I was sick this weekend. 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: I did not leave, as I said, I didn't leave 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: my apartment for days. I watched, um, you know, like 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: a season and a half over the course of three 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: days or less. Um. So I really have that. It's 70 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: so much And I haven't even been doing what I 71 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: used to do the last time I rewatched Buffy, which 72 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: was skip the episodes that I don't care for umiliar 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: with it. I really have been watching everything. Wow, Okay, 74 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I honestly similarly, I was like, let's do it in 75 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: sequence all the way through. When was the last time 76 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: I did it? And honestly, this is like so fitting 77 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: because I ugly Betty is, as I've said on before, 78 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: like one of the most formative shows on the planet, 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: if not the most formative show of my life. And 80 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: I feel like Buffy is the most formative show of 81 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: your life. Um yeah, I like it's like such a 82 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: reward for Ugly Betty specifically, it's like such a rewarding 83 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: rewatch and like we'll do a full episode on it, 84 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: so like I won't get into it, but like it 85 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: is so amazing. It's such an amazing show, and it's 86 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: so deliciously problematic and exactly the time frame that it 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: came out. It's like a period piece. And also it's 88 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: a fantasy, like it is in a fantasy. It's it's 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: a yeah, it's a fantasy where in trans women look 90 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: like Rebecca Romaine. There are some trans women who look 91 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: like Rebecca Romaine, I know, I mean where they just 92 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: get to like emerge on the scene. It's like it's 93 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a fantasy where trans women are cis women. Yes, yes, 94 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: that's what I but everyone calls them tranny and cheta. Yes, 95 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: we will be doing a Wee Betty episode. Very we 96 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: should do another Buffy app as well. Um yeah, I 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: mean I do think we covered it pretty you know, Um, 98 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: we we covered it pretty well. And we also did 99 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: our recent Sarah Michelle Geller sort of cruel intention but well, 100 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: never say never. But I have really been enjoying rewatching 101 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: it because I'm you know, over the year I haven't 102 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: done a proper all the way through Buffy rewatching probably 103 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: ten years UM. But I there are certain episodes that 104 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: I revisit, like the holiday episodes, like I always watched 105 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving episode of Thanksgiving, the Halloween episodes at Halloween, 106 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: the Christmas episode at Christmas UM, and then there are 107 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: a few other episodes that I've gone back and revisited 108 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: throughout the years. But this is the first time in 109 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: over a decade that I have truly gone through and 110 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: watched every episode in sequence, even the ones I don't 111 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: really care for. And it's interesting how I'm reacting to 112 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: it and like favoring plotlines and characters that I didn't 113 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: like as much the last go around, and like seeing 114 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: what it's like to interact with the show at the 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: place where I'm in my life now, and like how 116 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: it's different. You know, art media is ever changing, even 117 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: though it is you know, static. We we evolve and 118 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: the shows and pieces of art we love, I guess 119 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: evolve with us. Yeah, I mean, I when I'm watching 120 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: Ugly Betty for the first time post New York Magazine 121 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: media career, some of these plotlines, Girl, my jaw is 122 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: dropping because this show that was formative to me as 123 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: a teenager prophesied so many things that literally happened in 124 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: my life where I was Betty like, it's correct, crazy, 125 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: But wait, I want to know. When you were watching 126 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: Buffy you said some things you're watching, and now retroactively 127 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm evaluating this different as an adult. Can 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: you give an example? Okay, So I was a diehard 129 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Buffy Angel shipper the first time I watched Buffy, like 130 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: Buffy Angel fan fiction with some of the first fan 131 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: fiction I ever read, and watching it back again, I'm 132 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: now looking at it through the lens of like, why 133 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: is this old ass man hooking up with this teenage girl? 134 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: And like, obviously it's still emotional and powerful, but it's 135 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: just not doing it for me in the way that 136 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: it used to. And I'm at the point in season 137 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: five now when Spike is realizing that he is in 138 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: love with Buffy or at least attracted to her. And 139 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: I was never into the Spike and Buffy pairing quite 140 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: so much because I believed that she belonged with Angel. 141 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: And now that I'm watching it slowly unfold or like 142 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: organically and not looking at it like as something I've 143 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: already experienced. I like get it more and I'm kind 144 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: of like, wait, I'm kind of excited for them to 145 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: eventually become an item. Now are you saying here and 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: now on this podcast that you are team Spike, No, 147 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: because what I actually am is team Faith. Faith who 148 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: is the Slayer who went evil? There is so much 149 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: subtext there of her and Buffy having a vibey and 150 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I love that. I would love 151 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: to watch it one day. I I famously still have 152 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: not watched it all the way through, but I know 153 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: I will. It's it's it's honestly, the fact that I 154 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: got around to a Golden Girls watch is like proof 155 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: of concept enough that like I can do a Buffy watch, yes, 156 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: even though I mean the episodes are longer, I'm not. 157 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: It's it's definitely a bigger commitment. And Golden Girls you 158 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: can kind of like be on your phone during Buddy 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: It's a little harder to do that. But I have 160 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, fuck Jos Sweden and all, 161 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: but so much of the humor and the writing really 162 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: holds up. And I know that's not um solely because 163 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: of him, but you know, it's whatever death of the author. Um, yeah, please, 164 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: we can say the same thing about Ugly Betty, like 165 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: a show that is like astoundingly ahead of its time 166 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: and also like horribly horribly like something horrible to watch now. Yes, 167 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, um, dear Virgins, you might you might have 168 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: cottoned on to the fact that we are taking our 169 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: taking our damn time today with little, our little chit 170 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: chat catchup moment. And that's because we are not going 171 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: to have a main discussion topic today. We didn't do 172 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: news last week, so we're going all in on, you know, 173 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: catching up. What's the goths, what's going on? So this 174 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: is just going to be like a true hangout key 175 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: key episode girls girling. This is a girls girling episode, 176 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: and we know that you do love those, so yeah, 177 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: So what's going on in your life? Girl? I know 178 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: you're about to make finally the big move. As of 179 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: time of record, I only have a week left in 180 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Feel um insane. I have not packed a 181 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: single I know. I'm looking behind you what you're a partner, 182 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, um, all of your stuff the walls. 183 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm one of those girls that I don't like to 184 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: draw out, like tasks that I don't want to do Like, 185 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm a girl that wants to do it all in 186 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: a consolidated time period about thirty six hours thirty six 187 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: to seventy two hours before. Oh that sounds super fun. Yeah, 188 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's my stamina preference. I think it's 189 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: a better use of my time. But it is also 190 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: stressful sometimes. But you know, all things considered, I am 191 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: not very well rested. I was like up all last 192 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: night coughing and also thinking about a very bizarre interaction. 193 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: I had just a very bizarre experience I had yesterday. 194 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: That's like really fresh on my mind. Okay, I want 195 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: you to tell me, but first I do want you 196 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: to give you the chance to plug the fact that 197 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: you are casting off some of your possessions this weekend. 198 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait, I'm so glad that you said that. Okay, 199 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: dear Virgins, I am having an estate sale and a 200 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: goodbye soiree that almost everything must go okay in my apartment. 201 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: No Weirdosum, you can't get the address unless you know 202 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: you RSP. That information should be available on my Instagram 203 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: profile by the time this episode comes out. Thank you 204 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: for that, Rose, because I need cash. Not gonna lie 205 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: I'll get your transparent with all of you, and I 206 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: have nice things that you can come and pick up. 207 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: And also all patrons get a mimosa come on by. Okay, So, 208 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: so tell me about this weird interruption that you had 209 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: over the weekend. I dyed now, Okay, So I it's 210 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: crazy because I actually haven't talked to you that much 211 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: about this yet. But I enrolled in a recreational acting 212 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: class or what. We have discussed it a bit, but 213 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: not not at length. Yes, but I will say I 214 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: signed up to what I thought would be a recreational 215 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: acting class, is how I should say it. And honest, 216 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: this is going to be a little bit of like 217 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: a fran voicemail length story if you're willing to hear it. 218 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: But like I, I'm directing some of this year. I'm 219 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: trying to learn about acting because of that. Have you 220 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: ever taken acting class? Roos girl, I went to acting 221 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: school in college. I always forget about our ghost lives, 222 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: right of course. Okay, So acting's insane, yes, Like acting 223 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: is an insane thing to do with your life. And 224 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I couldn't just like come in 225 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, I just want to learn about this. Like, 226 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm like a respectful student that genuinely just wants to 227 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: learn about acting. I'm not trying to be an actor, 228 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: you know what. I see. The problem there is that 229 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: you're in Los Angeles, where, yeah, everyone is trying to 230 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: be an actor or at least get cast on a 231 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: reality dating show. Yes, okay, wait, you are hitting the 232 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: nail on the head about because Okay, so I signed 233 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: up for literally eight classes. I was like, let me 234 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: dip and dip out right before I leave to New York, 235 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: and if I like it, I can keep doing it 236 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: in New York whatever. Day one hour one of this class. 237 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: It is a three hour class. I hate this class. 238 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: Like the first hour. I hate this class. In my mind, 239 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm hating the teacher. She is giving like really like 240 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: violent erratic energy, like really blunt, really kurt, like doesn't 241 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: say things that are like mighty to people, like just 242 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: speaks to everyone in a way that I'm just like, 243 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: I don't love this, like white woman, Yeah that's an 244 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: acting teacher. Yeah, that's an acting teacher exactly. And that 245 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: was kind of so our one. I was kind of 246 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: just like realizing things in real time about like what 247 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: acting is a world that I very naively knew nothing 248 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: about going into it. I don't have anything in common 249 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: with anyone in this class. It is a student body 250 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: like I can only really describe as like twenty or so, 251 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: like cis gender, nano influencers, and I feel like that 252 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: sounds right, yeah, yeah yeah, And I feel like I like, 253 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, this class is going to be a colossal 254 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: waste of my time. Hour two of my first class, 255 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, actually, like this teacher is like 256 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: really hard on them, and she's pushing them, and like 257 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: she's actually really smart, and like I'm kind of listening 258 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: to what she's saying, and I'm like the classes, I 259 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: should also say, the classes never really explain or described. 260 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: There's no introductions, Like it's not a class where like 261 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: you meet each other, you do like fun little games 262 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: and exercise ice breaker. Yeah, there's no fucking icebriggers. Yeah no, 263 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: that's not Yes, it's a cheap, cheap class and you 264 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: only get to participate in like five minutes per class whatever. 265 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. Um. And so by hour three 266 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: of my first class, I'm just like, actually, this teacher 267 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: is iconic, and I think that I love you Yes, 268 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I love her because she's a bitch, and I think 269 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: that I actually really even if I don't really agree 270 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: with how she's kind of treating the students. I fucked 271 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: with her, and I only need to be in eight classes, 272 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna be like invisible. You think it's fierce. 273 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: She's mother, Yes, she's kind of giving mother's yeah's mother, Okay, okay, okay. 274 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: So I'm going to say something else that's probably really 275 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: stupid to actors. So this class teaches Meisner the Meisner method, Right, 276 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: are you familiar at all? Somewhat? You might need to 277 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: refresh my memory on the specifics of it. To be honest, 278 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: if I were to try to get into it, it 279 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: would be so difficult to describe. It's like so annoying 280 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: and weird to describe. But all you need to know 281 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: is that it's a methodology of acting that's taught in 282 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: a lot of to reenacting schools. There are a few 283 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: different methods, and it's like next to like Stanislavski and 284 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: like method acting and like, yeah, Stanislavsky was more what 285 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: I fucked with when I was an actress. Wait, really 286 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: you were? You learned much like Gaga the Stanislavsky method. Yes, 287 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: my college acting professor was a devotee of Staroslavsky Waite. 288 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: I feel honestly ashamed that I actually don't know that 289 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: much about your era as an actress. That's that's on purpose, babe, 290 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: that is my designs. Like you also haven't seen a 291 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: lot of photos of me pre transition, you know, like 292 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: obviously this is all intentional. I've seen literally one that 293 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: you can centrally showed to me on this podcast. Um 294 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: one photo. Um okay, okay, okay, back to back to 295 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: let me. I'm trying to stay on track on the 296 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: friend voicemail on the friend voicemail here. Um. So this 297 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: class teaches Meisner from a truly cold outside perspective, someone 298 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: who knows nothing about acting or about Meisner. I have 299 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: to say, the vibe is immediately giving cult like immediately 300 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: like she is berating these kids, kids she doesn't know 301 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: at all. By the way, like a lot of these 302 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: students have, like me, have been in three or four classes. 303 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: Others have been there for like you know, a month 304 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: or two. Like there there are tears at which the 305 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: students have been in the class because it's on a 306 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: rolling basis. But she is like speaking to these kids 307 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: like they're her children and not necessarily yes, because she's 308 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: weather and it's and it's and honestly, it's just it's 309 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: it's crazy. So, uh, we have to do this exercising 310 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: class that's again really difficult to describe, so I'm not 311 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: going to get into it, but like the baseline is, 312 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: there is an extremely difficult kind of like technique to 313 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: learn that requires like a lot of mental brainwork and 314 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: it's almost like a little bit of a riddle UM. 315 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: And you do this like repetition exercise that is it's hard, 316 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to do as a beginner. This is 317 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: a beginner level class and we're all learning UM, and 318 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: we have to perform these exercises, performing the kind of 319 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: like this like very specific rule UM of the Meisner 320 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: School of acting, and these little sketches in groups of 321 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: two or three at a time, like one after another. 322 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: So I've been at this in this point three or 323 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: four classes. I really have not experienced a ton. I 324 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: don't know any of my fellow students really, like like 325 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: we're all a lot of us are in this cold. 326 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: Yesterday I was an acting class and this woman was 327 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: on a death rampage like she was like, leave no prisoners, 328 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: scorched Earth, I want to kill everyone, and I'm in 329 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: today is the day that you all die? Like it 330 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: was so I'm not gonna lie. Riveting. It was riveting. 331 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: And and victim number one, so like there a few 332 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: exercises happened. They were going, Okay, Victim number one. A 333 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: girl gets into this exercise. She is not doing amazing 334 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: basically because she's not really following this like Meisner rule 335 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: that is drilled into us. At this point, she's repeating 336 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: this Meisner rule over and over to us. And this 337 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: girl is kind of just like that, you have to 338 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: repeat what the other person is saying to you. It's 339 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of it's it's again, it's it's. So 340 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: it's hard to describe without me going into like no, 341 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: no it because yeah, like it's like about scene it's 342 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: like about scene work and like that. You're like listening 343 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: before you speak, but you're not but you're not really 344 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: supposed to. Yeah, you're listening and you're not really supposed 345 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: to improvise, right, you're not supposed to be conversational. You're 346 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: not asking questions, You're just really trying to repeat things 347 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: at each other until you catch an emotional pinch point. 348 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: It's so I sound I see I'm participating in the cult. Okay, 349 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: So this girl finishes the exercise, she kind of that 350 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: kind of just oh my god, I just said her name. 351 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: Will you believe that? Okay? Okay, So I just said 352 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: the teacher's name, and I have to say that this 353 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: woman has a very satisfying white woman. No, when you 354 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: said it, I was like, yep, that's her name. Um, 355 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: she kind of cuts you off. She decides when you're done. 356 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: The teacher says what says when you're done? And she 357 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: turns to the class and she goes, so, what was 358 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: wrong with this iconic? And she trains the kids to 359 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: to humiliate the students on stage in real time by 360 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: repeating the thing that everybody knows that this person on 361 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: stage doesn't know. Isn't that isn't that crazy? And she goes, 362 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: so this isn't working because she's not repeating blah blah 363 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: blah and all these ds like she's culturing and conditioning 364 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the class to Brady. Yeah, acting is any kind of 365 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: acting school or theater school is psychological warfare? Yes, and 366 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: through the whole time this whole class, and honestly a 367 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: little bit in previous classes. She's really like specific about 368 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: pitting the kids against each other. She goes, she'll say, actually, 369 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: like yes exactly, so I'll get into that. But she 370 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: she goes, did you She turns to the girl and 371 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: she goes, did you rehearse? And she goes, no, I 372 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: haven't rehearsed. And she's like really big about rehearsal, and 373 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: she goes, you guys need to rehearse. You guys need 374 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: to rehearse or you're gonna show up and you're gonna suck. 375 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: You're gonna show up and you're gonna suck. And she 376 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: turns to the girl and she goes, she was like, 377 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: how do you think you did today? And she was 378 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: like the girl was like literally just trying to advocate 379 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: for herself, Like she's not being disrespectful, she's just kind 380 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: of like, you know, at our time, I think I 381 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: did okay, Like she's genuinely trying to analyze herself and goes, Okay, 382 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: well you sucked. I love her. She's victim number two 383 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: steps up here, and again not the same mistake, but 384 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: like a truly a truly honest mistake. And infraction on 385 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: like not understanding what the Meisner method is. And this 386 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: is a girl who is at the same experience level 387 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: as me, So the previous girl she's been in like 388 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: another month or class. This girl, like like me, has 389 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: only met Kathleen three times. I just said her name again. 390 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: This girl, much like mother, much like Brenda, has only 391 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: we've we've only met her. Oh wait, sorry, So this 392 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: girl has literally only met Kathleen like three or four times. Um, 393 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: I can't believe. I just said. I can't believe. I'm 394 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: so sleep deprived. So this girl literally has only met 395 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: my teacher, has only met mother three or four times. 396 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: She doesn't do the exercise right. She has watched other 397 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: students get chewed out. And she's doing this thing that 398 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: mister people hate, which is acting. She always says, like, 399 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: no acting up there. I don't want to see you 400 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: putting on a character. And she kind of puts on 401 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: a teeny bit of a character, just like a wink. 402 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: And this woman, this woman to shoots her in the head. Yes. 403 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: And this girl was like a teeny tiny little white 404 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: girl from Kansas City, Like she just stepped right off 405 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: the bus and she was here to like live her 406 00:24:53,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: dream like she believed in my will. But Kathleen, Kathleen, sorry, 407 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: I keep saying her name, And so mother turns the 408 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: class again and she's like, okay, so why was this weird? 409 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: This was weird right, like like cuts her. It's so bizarre. 410 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: She's like, so, why was this weird? Yeah, and she 411 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: turns to the girl and she goes, so what you 412 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: did it was fucking weird. And she goes okay, and 413 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: she's smiling receiving this feedback, like tears streaming down her eyes, 414 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: and she's just like, she's like okay, and this woman goes, 415 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: she goes, if you show up and you do that 416 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: at your job, it's like everyone's gonna be annoyed with you. 417 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: You will never work in this town if you show 418 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: up and do that. She's three class. She's so real 419 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: for that, and then she love her Yes, she says you, 420 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: she says, you're never gonna work in this town again. 421 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: And then she says, she goes, she goes, what you 422 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: did up there was annoying. You annoy me, and this 423 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: girl grinned and took it, and that this is the 424 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: point in the class. There was also another group of 425 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: victims where in like someone wasn't doing the exercise properly, 426 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: so that my teacher went for that person. She choose 427 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: them out. The other student throws the other student under 428 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: the bus. It's like it's like their carnivores. Like we're 429 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: just trying to survive out here. And I'm realizing, Rose, 430 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: in real time, that my teacher is lydiatar, and that 431 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: I am literally in real time experiencing the auditorium scene, 432 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: and I as a first time student, I am about 433 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: to get on stage after all of these students have 434 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: been chewed out, and I am a BIPOC fan gender 435 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: you said it, and so okay, look we're traumatized people. 436 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I was in fighter flight mode. I was like actually 437 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of wigging out because I was like, I Rose, 438 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: you know me, like I will grin and bear a 439 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of things. I will not let someone disrespect me. No, 440 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: you you know, and even in a professional setting, I 441 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: will not tolerate any level of disrespect. And so when 442 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: if someone said to my face, you suck, I honestly 443 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: have no idea like what I would have done. It's 444 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: always kind of preparing myself for like what this woman, 445 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: what this teacher was going to do, to me and 446 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: you slayed. No, I didn't. I didn't slay. And what 447 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was going to be the triumphant twist 448 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: of this story. Well, to be totally honest, like I 449 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: have actually been doing I feel a really great job 450 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: in the class for like what I wanted to accomplish. 451 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: I am taking this class, and this I think is 452 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: a good way to kind of polish it off. But 453 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: like I'm taking this class specifically because like I'm bad 454 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: at being in my body. I'm like really bad at 455 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: listening a lot of the time, and like I feel 456 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: like it's acting is like a really worthwhile skill set, 457 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: especially this method that would help me with a lot 458 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: of things that I want to learn how to do 459 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: in an outside of Hollywood. And so I'm they're just 460 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: like genuinely trying to learn, and she's up here being like, 461 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: you guys will never make your dreams. You're all gonna suck. 462 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: You all suck, and I'm just kind of like this 463 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: isn't my dream and I'm like perfectly fine with sucking. 464 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: Like that's kind of that was kind of the issue 465 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: that I was like going through my head, is like 466 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I have no problem with you tell 467 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: me I suck. I'm not trying to be an actor, 468 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So, like your words don't 469 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: really affect me, but everyone else in that room is 470 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: trying to be an actor. Yes, And also no offense 471 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: to everyone else in this room. I don't care about 472 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: what any of these people think. So like, this woman 473 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: can try to humiliate me, but like she's not going 474 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: to And she tried it, she literally tried it, and 475 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: she started by coming for me by something that I 476 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: did that was not against the rules of the exercise, 477 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: but because she was on a rampage, she decided to 478 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: come for me, and so I was like, look, and 479 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: luckily the girl that was in the exercise with me 480 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: also advocated like for both of us, and we were 481 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: both kind of we were the only students the entire 482 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: class that ever stood up to her because she was 483 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: being crazy, like truly being crazy, but she was also 484 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: being iconic, and so it's like really hard it goes. Yeah, 485 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 1: But anyways, I know exactly who I am and I 486 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: know my self worth and I'm going to advocate for 487 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: that every time. So like what you say to me, 488 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: like has no bearing on what I do outside of 489 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: this class, because you don't know anything about that, And 490 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: I think that it was just weird to experience this 491 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: place where the stakes were very high for everyone else, 492 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: and I'm just like kind of a weird fly on 493 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the wall slash, Like it feels like I'm in a documentary. Well, 494 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, good for you for telling mother to go 495 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: fund herself. You know, you never have to deal with 496 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: this again because you're literally moving across the country, But 497 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, it is rough for people who legitimately want 498 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: to be act and the amount of torture you have 499 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: to put yourself through to do that. I remember there 500 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: was one scene study class that I was in in 501 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: college where we did this exercise where we would have 502 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: to run up and down the stairs of the building 503 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: five times and then come in and do our scene, 504 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: because the thought was that like getting to an extreme 505 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: level of physicality would bring out genuine emotion. And like, 506 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: of course, in the moment, you're telling yourself like, yeah, 507 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: that totally worked. That was amazing, But like that's not 508 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: something that's replicable when you're a working actor, which like 509 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: ostensibly is the goal of going to acting school. And 510 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of this and probably what you 511 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: experience is like a lot of teachers are able to 512 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: tell themselves that it's okay to be hard on their 513 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: students because of how cutthroat the business that they're going 514 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: into is. And a lot of them are failed actors themselves, 515 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: and they're thinking, like, well, if they can't handle this 516 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: in class, then it's better that they learned that now 517 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: before they go out into the world and try to 518 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: make it as actors. It is literally it's exactly what 519 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: like it reminded me of Tyr Banks in America's Next 520 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Top Model, where she like choose, you choose if you, 521 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: as the teacher or arbiter of this space, are choosing 522 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: to just like just to like participate and to enforce 523 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: existing oppressive systems in your industry instead of actively wanting 524 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: to change them. Like it's just kind of bonkers. And 525 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: the reality is like to be an actor, all you 526 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: have to be is hot, Like it truly doesn't matter 527 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: how talented you are. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I completely 528 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: agree with that. And also just to as a side note, 529 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: you have to run up like ten flights of stairs 530 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: or whatever for like acting, like listen, that is a 531 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: method that only works if you went too like the 532 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: Matilda school of like musical theater where they make those 533 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: kids probably run like fifteen flights before every scene. Honey, 534 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: you know I do. I think it's interesting that you 535 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: are talking about this as a cult, because I've been 536 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: thinking a lot about cults over the past couple of days. 537 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: I watched this new Hulu documentary Stolen Youth. Have you 538 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: heard about it? No? I haven't so Stolen Youth as 539 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: a documentary about it's Stolen Youth, the cult inside the cult, 540 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: it's Sarah Lawrence. I totally didn't know that this ever happened, 541 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: but in like the early twenty tens, there was a 542 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: cult of kids who went to Sarah Lawrence. And it 543 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: was these kids who all lived together and like on 544 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: campus housing or off campus housing, I don't know um 545 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: and one of their dads had been in prison and 546 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: when he got out, came and stayed with them, which 547 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: is like why would you let it happen? And then 548 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: he basically like became a cult leader and a bunch 549 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: of them like moved into a one bedroom apartment in 550 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: the city with him, and there was like sex trafficking 551 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: and all this crazy shit. And you know, it's a 552 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: very interesting documentary. It's only three episodes, which is good 553 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: because I like, couldn't have done more, and it's I 554 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate it because with something that's like true crime, 555 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I need it to have like a definitive ending. Like 556 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: I hate a true crime thing where it's like the 557 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: mystery is still unsolved or like the killer is still 558 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: out yeah, or like you know, it's the trial hasn't 559 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: happened this like the trial happened very recently. This guy 560 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: is serving sixty years in prison with that parole. It's 561 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: like it's done. You know, people have gotten out of 562 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: the cult. There's one girlie who's still like she has 563 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: only just now disavowed him. But the thing that I 564 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: was thinking, which is what I always think when cult 565 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: stuff happens, is couldn't be me. He couldn't he could 566 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: have never gotten me. I would never have bought into 567 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: that ship. And honestly, I kind of judge them for 568 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: being susceptible to it because like this guy is so 569 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: he's like so clearly, like he's this like ugly like 570 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: doughey white guy who just like manipulated all these college 571 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: kids and like they were you know, they were adults, 572 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: they were they were like sophomores. In college. And I'm 573 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: not not to victim blame, but but but I'm victim blame. 574 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: But I just I watched this and I just like 575 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: truly don't get how you can be how you can like, 576 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: uh like be a sheep a sheep like that and 577 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: and let this person like the things that this guy 578 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: had them doing. Like obviously you know some of these 579 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: like there was one kid who, um, you know, was 580 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: like struggling with his sexuality and the guy like twisted 581 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: all of his ideas of like what it was to 582 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: be a man. And you know, um, I get that 583 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: people are vulnerable and could be manipulated, but I just 584 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: watched these cult things and I'm like, no, not me, 585 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: because like, if there's two things I'm always happy to do, 586 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: it's not listen to what people have to say and 587 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: just stay home. And you know, for the for those reasons, 588 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: I truly believe I could never be I could never 589 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: be hoodwinked into joining a fault. But on the flip side, 590 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: I do think I could very easily start a cult. 591 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: Oh I do that I could. I could really um, 592 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: I could manipulate. I could be a good cult leader 593 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: and manipulate people into like living or dying on my word. Well, 594 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: for the virgins, I think that that was implied. It's 595 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: just very interesting to like look at this. I'm able 596 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: to like watch these things from such a such a 597 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: distance and like find it interesting and just fully not 598 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: understand what could lead someone to think that that was normal. Yeah, 599 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I just really get it. I just 600 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: really don't get it. It's like being a turf, you know, 601 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get so you can like devote 602 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: your whole life to something that is like so lame 603 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: and like unimportant and like just like go touch grass. 604 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: It's wretched and it's also like not even about you 605 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: like you are. That's the thing about cults. I honestly 606 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: I empathize. I also feel like I can be I 607 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: can feel judgmental about people that are highly susceptible, but 608 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm also a people pleaser. Like I feel like I 609 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: am highly susceptible, and I don't know, It's it's tough. 610 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes this is a grey area. Yeah, um, I do 611 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: want to take a little trip into Rose's book corner. Yes, 612 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: we need like we need like some theme music or 613 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: something for Rose's book Corner. We need like a kind 614 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: of reading rainbow ass like theme music kind of momentum So, 615 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: as any of you who have been falling along with 616 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: Rose's book club no m our. First, like foray into 617 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: this was reading man Hunt by Gretchen Felker Martin. Um 618 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: I just finished it about a week ago. It took 619 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: me a little bit to get into it, but then 620 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: once I was about halfway through, I really powered through 621 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: the end and read it in like a like a 622 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: day or two. Um. So, the novel is a post 623 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: apocalyptic zombie horror story in which a virus called t 624 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: Rex has decimated the world's population. It's a zombie virus 625 00:37:53,560 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: that specifically targets testosterone, so it turns anyone with you know, 626 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: an abundance of testosterone in their body largely sis men 627 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: into these you know, like very animalistic, super disgusting zombies 628 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: who in like a somewhat like different take on zombies 629 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: not only like eat and kill people, but rape people. 630 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: And so that was like a you know, disturbing edition 631 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: and like for anyone who hasn't yet read this book, 632 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: like some serious trigger warnings about sexual salt, transphobia, like 633 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: lots of different stuff, but you can you know, investigate 634 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: that on your own and so the survivors in the 635 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: zombie apocalypse are women and m sis women trans women, 636 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: and that is really the divide of this novel. So 637 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: there's um. The two real main characters are these two 638 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: trans girls, Beth and Fran, and they and it's such 639 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: a good One of them is named Fran. Her name 640 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: is Fran fine like the Nannie. Yeah name, I love that, Okay, 641 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: but it's never really like talked about, but it just 642 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: that's her name, and I think that's funny. So so 643 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: they um then and then when the novel starts, they 644 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: are so they they they call themselves man hunters. They 645 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: go around um hunting down zombie men to extract their 646 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: testicles because they're the only source of estrogen in this 647 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: post apocalyptic world. They are friends with the doctor who 648 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: extracts estrogen from the testicles and um like sells it 649 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: to women like older women with pcos um. And the 650 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: premise is so it's really fascinating because, like you know, 651 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: as we've been talking about with like the Last of 652 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: Us all zombie media, UM looks at the way the 653 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: world old reforms after it falls apart, and so to 654 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: look at through the lens of transness, and gender is 655 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: really fascinating. And so these these women are like out hunting, 656 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: they come across this roving band of turfs. So turfs 657 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: have now banded together to form this thing called the Matriarchy, 658 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: and they are like a militant organization who you know, 659 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: go around like killing trans women, and they've taken over 660 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: different cities. And then also like in their travels, they 661 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: pick up a trans man who has been living on 662 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: his own, like living on the land, and he's very 663 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: like he he like is really like gun savvy, and 664 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go with them because he has 665 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: some like bad experiences in his past, but he ends 666 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: up joining them. They and their doctor friend eventually become 667 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: part of this commune that's run by this like this 668 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: little billionaire girl. There's also another character who is a 669 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: POV who is part of the matriarchy, but she is 670 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: a chaser and is like in love with this non 671 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: binary sex worker. And so it's like just all these 672 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: different viewpoints into what this world looks like and the 673 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: thing most about but I felt while reading this, and 674 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: I brought this up a couple other times talking about 675 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: novels written about or by trans people is like reading 676 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: this gave me this feeling like I would love to 677 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: only read novels written by trans people, because I only 678 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: want to read trans characters who are written by trans people, 679 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: Because there's just something that SIS people don't get. There. 680 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: There are ways of thinking that SIS people just don't 681 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: think about the ways in which we talk to each other, 682 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: the ways in which we think about ourselves, how mean 683 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: we can be about each other, Like you know, like 684 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: the it's there. There are some ridiculous moments where like 685 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: we're in the we're in the apoc like post apocalyptic world, 686 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: zombie world, and people are still worried about like how 687 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: how much they pass, which is how it would work. 688 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: How like how fem they are compared to other trans 689 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: women still like calling each other bricks. Um. It's it's 690 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: just it's so scary, but it feels so possible, which 691 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: is I think the best. Um, the best like the 692 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 1: when when dystopian fiction is at its best is when 693 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: you can see how it would happen. Um. And I 694 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: also love that like within the kind of thematic question 695 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: of this book that you're laying out, like a lot 696 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: of the things you're talking about, like these kind of 697 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: trans two point zero three point zero conversations or ways 698 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: of thinking to then be met it on the rest 699 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: of the world, because it's now become a biological impart, 700 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: Like it's become a cultural disaster that now requires the 701 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: help of trans women, and you still like now you're 702 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: forced to wrap your head around this in some way 703 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: or to think about it. Yeah, and then and you 704 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: see the way that sis people who like would consider 705 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: themselves allies, how they would behave in the apocalypse. Like 706 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: one of the one of the main characters, you know, 707 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: has flashbacks too. When the virus first broke out, she 708 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: lived in this like queer commune house and the trans 709 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: women like eventually were kicked out of it, even and 710 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, all of the people in the house were 711 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: like you know, play acted being like devastated about it, 712 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: and like we're you know, chiding them for their like 713 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: problematic reaction to it. And it's it's just like a 714 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: new take on what the world looks like when it 715 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: falls apart from a specifically not just queer perspective, but 716 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: trans perspective, and like they're just it's also extremely funny. Um, 717 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, at one point they go into this like um, 718 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, like trans lesbian um like camp and it's 719 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,760 Speaker 1: like the one thing that survives the apocalypse is Dike drama, 720 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: which is so funny. Um it is such a Oh. Also, um, 721 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the novel, there's this whole um 722 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: plot point of this um like ruined naval ship that 723 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: the Turfs reclaim and they rename it the gall Braith, 724 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: which is anyone who doesn't know is jk Rowling's pseudonym. 725 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: Pen names so fucking funny. So you also you also 726 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: do find out what happened to JK Rowling in the 727 00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: Apocalypse and it's it's like delicious Okay, no spoilers, Okay, spoilers. Um, 728 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: let's just say her money could not protect her. And 729 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: it is really sad, moving, grotesque, hilarious, and I'm so 730 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: excited to see, um, you know, more work from the author. 731 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: And it just really invigorated me about, you know, the 732 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: future of specifically trans fiction and trans art, because it 733 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: just shows what can happen when we're allowed to tell 734 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: our own stories to each other and not worry about 735 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, like the CIS gays or the CIS audience 736 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: or the CIS gay Yeah, yeah, exactly, And yeah, I 737 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: would love to hear what virgins, what you thought of it, 738 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: if you read it, if you decide to read it 739 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: after this slide into our DMS and let us know. So, wait, 740 00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: sounds like a great book. We I feel like we 741 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: should have some sort of like um evaluation for Rosa's 742 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: book quarter How many out of five roses? How many 743 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: roses does it? Oh? Out of five roses? I would 744 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: get Well, I did rate it five stars on good Reads, 745 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: five out of five. But but that was like also 746 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: because I know that this author has been review bombs, 747 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: so I wanted to do my part in like getting 748 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,720 Speaker 1: it up there. Um, I would say, if we're grading 749 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: it on the like a virgin Rosa's book corner spectrum, 750 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, um, eight point five out of ten roses. Oh, 751 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: we're doing out of ten? That gives you quite a scale. Yeah, Okay, 752 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: I think that's important. Okay, good love eight point five, 753 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: So it's a B plus. Maybe it's a it's an 754 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: an okay an an. Yeah. I I sounded like it 755 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: sounded like a knock out of the park. It sounds fine. Yeah, 756 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: it is fascinating. Maybe I'll learn to read one day. 757 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: And I do think I do think I have the 758 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: next book. Oh look it's right over right over your shoulder, 759 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: right there behind me a little. And so this so 760 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: I wanted to do something that is like that is 761 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 1: not new and is and I still want to stick 762 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: with queer literature, but um, a little a different side 763 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. So this is finger Smith by Sarah Waters. 764 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: Sarah Waters is an iconic lesbian novelist. Her novel Tipping 765 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: the Velvet is one of my favorite books, possibly possibly 766 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: my favorite book. What, um, you always I've ever your 767 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: favorite book ever? Yeah? Wow? Um, but I've never read Fingersmith. 768 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: It has been adapted into a miniseries. It was also 769 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: adapted into the film The Handmaiden, which which I've never seen. 770 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: Um wait but you've never really I've never seen The Handmaiden, 771 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: but I've heard really good things about it. But apparently 772 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: the novel is very different. Um. So I started reading it, 773 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: um a couple days ago, and I'm not that far 774 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: in so again, like as as we did with Manhunt, 775 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: like maybe a month from now, we'll check in and 776 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,359 Speaker 1: do you know my thoughts in Rose's book Corner? Um, 777 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: I honestly was trying to pinpoint where i'd heard Fingersmith 778 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: before Handmaid. The Handmaid is like one of my favorite 779 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: gay movies of all time period. Rose, you and I 780 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: should watch it together, we should do a virtue. Okay, 781 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 1: well that's well, I'll definitely watch it after I read. Yeah, 782 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: of course. And I think that'll be a really nice 783 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: way for us to talk about it in the next 784 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: installment of Rose's book Corner, because you'll be able to 785 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 1: speak about the adaptation, and like I'll be able to 786 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: give sort of like a counterpoint of the of the 787 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,360 Speaker 1: knowledge and maybe I'll read it. Who knows? Do you 788 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: want to know something? And this, actually I'm realizing in 789 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 1: real time. I used to be a voracious reader. You 790 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 1: know this in college before I had an iPhone, Like 791 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: books where my only friends and so I used to 792 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: read all the fucking time. Do you know what killed 793 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: my love of reading? One? Entering the workforce will really 794 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: kill the imagination, really kill your spare time. Two. I 795 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: worked at random House for a year. And when you 796 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: work at a book publishing company, books are garbage. Books 797 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: are garbage you used to wipe your ass with. And 798 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: every single floor, no seriously, and every single floor of 799 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: the publishing company it has multiple bookshelves filled with free 800 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: books that I would just like, in my spare time, 801 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: wander around and collect all of these books, being like 802 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to read these someday and like just slowly 803 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,399 Speaker 1: devaluing the thing that I love most in the world, 804 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: which is books. Um. Anyways, that was Rosa's book corner 805 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: before we log off. I guess, do we want to 806 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: do a Drag Race mid season check in because we 807 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: are now we have crossed the halfway. Yeah. So I 808 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: am really liking this season. I think it's kind of 809 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: the best crop of girls we've had in a couple 810 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: of seasons of main Drag Race. I think after the 811 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: first four four we're cut out I agree, yes, um 812 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: and really bringing the interpersonal drama, which I love. Um, 813 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: which is why I wish we were getting the ninety 814 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: minute episodes and that they just like feel it feels 815 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: like we're not getting enough of the stuff that we want. Um. 816 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: And then but and you know, um, MTV recently announced 817 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: that in March, ninety minute episodes are returning, but by 818 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: that time, there's gonna be like none of them left. Yeah. Um, 819 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,320 Speaker 1: at least that means more Sasha Colby lip syncing, Like 820 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: that's all I really want this. The the Lala Perusa 821 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: episode was thrilling. Um you know some some front runners 822 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: really have emerged for me. I obviously like still love 823 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 1: Sasha Colby and um A Nietra was one of my 824 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: early faves. I am a mistress stand first and an 825 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: American scand period period period. She's so good. What she 826 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 1: does is drag like drag in the most in the 827 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,360 Speaker 1: most classic sense. She is old school Southern painted but 828 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: painted for the gods will fucking shade you until you 829 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: jump off a building. Drag queen. And I love it. 830 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,800 Speaker 1: And I honestly think it's the first time that like 831 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: a plus sized girl who coming from that drag perspective, 832 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: Like truly I think she could win. Yeah, I I 833 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: it would be really it has actually been a while 834 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: since we had something of and I'm trying to I'm 835 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: going through the winners in my brain like something of 836 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: an old school queen, right like, like I'm thinking about 837 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: like someone like Beyond adel Rio or something like that. 838 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,280 Speaker 1: Like it's it's like classic like clown paint like drag. 839 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: Sasha Colby also does a version of like classic drag, 840 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 1: but hers is like Toagin style, right like it's it's different, 841 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: like Mistress is captivating I think in the art and 842 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: also like I don't remember if this was in Untucked 843 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: or in one of like the debriefs, but like, I 844 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 1: love her story. I love that she's literally never had 845 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: another job and that she had drag as survival to 846 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: like this is all she could do to like not 847 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: be homeless. Like it painted a picture of her more 848 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: clearly and showed us. I think, what's at stake for 849 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: a competitor like her versus what's at stake for other competitors, 850 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 1: Not that it makes the other competitors, you know, like 851 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,799 Speaker 1: not worthwhile, but like she's just it's different for her. 852 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: Drag is life for her, Drag is life. Is there 853 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: anyone else who you've who has emerged as someone you're 854 00:52:52,239 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: into or um? My Top four remains the same, Anietra, Sasha, Mistress, 855 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: and Spice. I love Spice, Spice has gotta go. I 856 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,400 Speaker 1: need Spice like I need Derek Barry. I need this 857 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: woman on screen as much as possible after your a 858 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 1: certain point, like she really showed her ask this episode, 859 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: even though I will say her lip sync with Malaysia 860 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: was the second one. Yeah, I think Spice one. I 861 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: think Spice eight. I think Spice ate her up honestly 862 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: a little bit, But it was so long ago, I'm 863 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,280 Speaker 1: trying to remember the nuances of the actual lip syncs. 864 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: Like obviously Nietra was the standout, you know, that was 865 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,840 Speaker 1: that was the moment that was one of the best 866 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: lip syncs in Drag Race her story. I totally agree, 867 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: Like it's something that you would revisit, something that will 868 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: like click back on and rewatch, Like it's so thrilling 869 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: to watch Sasha perform, especially on TV now. God, I mean, 870 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: can't even say more. And to watch a Niittra perform 871 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: a Nietra just had this. She has this um like 872 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 1: fluidity and grace to her um and you can definitely 873 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: see like she's so Vegas, like she's such a show 874 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: girl and that and so is Sasha, And like I 875 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: love seeing that kind of drag be praised on this platform. 876 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: And I'm just very excited by this cast after like 877 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple of seasons of like sure 878 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: having a few standouts here and there, but I think 879 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,359 Speaker 1: this is a very solid cast all the way through. 880 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,439 Speaker 1: They have good drama, and the challenges have been really 881 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,839 Speaker 1: good and um yeah, I'm I'm enjoying the ride. We'll 882 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 1: see how we feel after we watch I don't know, 883 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,799 Speaker 1: two more months of two more two or three more 884 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,320 Speaker 1: months of this? Yeah okay? Um another midseason check in 885 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 1: the Last of Us. Did you watch? Did you watch 886 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: Sunday Yesterday's episode or Sunday's episode? I did? Um. It 887 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: was so happy to see Routina West from True Blood 888 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: back on HBO because my girl Tara stand for Life, 889 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: which which character was that she was his brother's wife, 890 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: the one who was pregnant. Oh okay, who gave Ellie 891 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,400 Speaker 1: the Diva cup? That was I love. I loved moments 892 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: like that. That was so funny. Um. I love the 893 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: heart that the show continues to build, like, I love 894 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 1: their relationship. Um. Yes, And I liked that there was 895 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of the passage of time because I 896 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: think we needed that. I think we needed them like 897 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: further solidified into their dynamic, especially after what happened at 898 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: the end of last week's episode, which was so traumatic, 899 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, like traumatic and jarring, and you know, I 900 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: think it was really cool to see. I mean, Pedro 901 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: Pascale is such an incredible actor, and that scene where 902 00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 1: he broke down and like finally kind of confessed that 903 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: he really cares about this person and like and doesn't 904 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: want to fail her. And the parallels of her and 905 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,320 Speaker 1: his daughter is really heart wrenching. And you know this, 906 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you watch the inside the episodes that 907 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 1: Atrio does after the episodes, like they talk a lot 908 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,480 Speaker 1: about how this show is ultimately about the ways in 909 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: which the different ways in which love destroys people, and 910 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: I think this was like such every episode is a 911 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,759 Speaker 1: great example of that, but this one was, you know, 912 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: so fascinating on the writing and the acting level. That 913 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: like scene with Pedro Pascal like is just it's so 914 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: I'm always in awe of like actors who portray, for 915 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: lack of a better word, like emotionally stunted people because 916 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: to act emotion like through this like huge wall that 917 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: this character has built up, it's like, yeah, you just 918 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,320 Speaker 1: like have to watch every second of it. It's so 919 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,880 Speaker 1: so fun to watch. Patrovisk is about to become so 920 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: much more famous, Like he is going to be booked 921 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: and busy. Also, the guy who plays his brother is 922 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,839 Speaker 1: so hot and so hot to see them kiss. Oh 923 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: you know what. My favorite moment from the most recent 924 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: episode after they have their huge argument, which is like, 925 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 1: to me, that was the moment that stuck out to 926 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: me as like where they're just like they're crying and 927 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 1: screaming at each other or whatever, and he you know, 928 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: shows up the next morning and he's like, listen, you 929 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: can make a choice, and she just cuts him off 930 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, let's go. So fucking good like 931 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: it was, I laughed out loud. It's so satisfying, a 932 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: great writing, great storytelling. I also loved the scene where 933 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: he goes back to the house they're staying at and 934 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 1: I guess that scene is directed is I guess that 935 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: scene is lifted directly from the game, and they were 936 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,960 Speaker 1: incredibly faithful to it. But I especially love that it's 937 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: taking place in this house, in this you know, bedroom 938 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: of a teenager who probably died twenty years ago, and 939 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: it like mirrors um a fight between a father and 940 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: a daughter, but it's like they're this different version of that, 941 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 1: and it's just fantastic storytelling. It's so good. And I 942 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 1: just like, Pedro Pascual, sit on my face, Sit on 943 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: my face. After this gift was shared with a huge ass, 944 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, little little booty bump. I haven't even 945 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: watched the interview, so I don't know the context of 946 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: the booty bue, but like damn that it doesn't matter. 947 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: Context doesn't matter. And I also didn't realize I can't 948 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: remember which podcast clue me into this. Um oh it 949 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 1: was Last Culture. Um, I didn't know that Pedro was 950 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: the buy one from Game of Thrones. You didn't know 951 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: I watched Game of Thrones in like a in a 952 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: haze Lucid dreamstay yeah, yeah, yeah, Um that's crazy. Elavender Hayes. 953 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: Oh God, I shouldn't have brought her up. How dare 954 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:18,320 Speaker 1: you so? Um? Catch up with us on Like a 955 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: Virgin four twenty sixty nine. Tell us, um, what what 956 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: you know? What you're into right now? Let us know 957 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: what you thought of any of the things we talked about. 958 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: Your thoughts about man Hunt, if you're going to read Fingersmith, 959 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,560 Speaker 1: your thought about the Meisner acting method? Honey, yeah, have 960 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,760 Speaker 1: you ever taken do you have any acting class horror stories? Um? 961 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,960 Speaker 1: Please slide into our dms and share. We we love 962 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: it when you do that. Um. I'm your co host, 963 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: Rose damn you. You can find me anywhere online at 964 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: Rose Damn you and I'm fran Toado. You can find 965 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: me at Franz Squishco anywhere you want. Please make sure 966 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: to rate us on Spotify and review us on Apple Podcasts. 967 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: It helps us out so much. Like a Virgin is 968 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio production. Our producer is Phoebe Enter, with support 969 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: from Lindsay Hoffman and Nikki Iatore. 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