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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This this he's Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys training live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Hawksnard, Californias.

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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spell, Brian Braunis, Rob Phillips, and Phil Jones.

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Speaker 1: And this is training Camp two thousand nineteen. We are

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Speaker 1: at the corner of Vineyard Inventura and Oxnard, California, and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys will be out on this practice field behind

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Speaker 1: us well for a little walkthrough right after Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: this morning, and then the first practice of the two

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Speaker 1: nineteen training camp coming up this afternoon. I am Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones with Brian brought us, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and

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Speaker 1: we are set to go for another training camp. It's

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Speaker 1: it's like Christmas is comment, isn't it the return of

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys? That's right? This is Talking Cowboys And this

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Speaker 1: is the first of fifteen practices here in Oxnard. The

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Speaker 1: way I look at it over the course of the

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Speaker 1: next three weeks, it's like a sixteen game season. Ah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna divide this thing up, that quarter, divide it up.

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Speaker 1: This is we're playing the giants today. This is game

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Speaker 1: number one. Now, how do I get to sixty because

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Speaker 1: at San Francisco. Yeah, that's good. That's again Oklahoma math,

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Speaker 1: you know. But I like the way you're thinking about

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Speaker 1: that because I think as players and coaches, you kind

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Speaker 1: They've had the OTA practices, the mini camp. But we'll notice,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it quite a bit, the intensity

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Speaker 1: then they'll fall. Then you know, you got to You

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Speaker 1: gotta avoid the ups and downs of a training camp

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Speaker 1: practice or the grind of a practice. Hopefully our show won't.

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Speaker 1: We'll be on our way up the way we're gonna stay.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stay on even kill go up. Mickey and

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Speaker 1: I will try and kill each other one or two shows,

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Speaker 1: but that's maybe Bess are putting them next to each other.

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Speaker 1: I did. This is good right here. You hot to

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Speaker 1: get hit by the backflap and making it out are

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Speaker 1: good with this. But but like I like what you're doing, though,

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Speaker 1: And I think players do the same thing. I think

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Speaker 1: I can't have any bad days. It's gotta have good days.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta keep building, gotta keep doing. And that's the

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Speaker 1: great thing he's saying, Okay, how can I get through

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Speaker 1: these It'll be it'll be a test for a lot

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Speaker 1: it's like to have a full training camp practice under

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Speaker 1: to elevate his game as well. You mentioned the intensity,

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Speaker 1: and it's really gonna pick up Monday, yes, Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's the right thing not to have

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Speaker 1: But the pads for talking cowboys are on intensity begins today,

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Speaker 1: already seen some you know, if you're following news around

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Speaker 1: That's fair. And there is the thirty day rule thing

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Speaker 1: I know, Mickey, You're absolutely right. Players don't miss paychecks,

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Speaker 1: Is his approach his or his agent? Yeah? I don't.

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Speaker 1: But this is where all this has started. Okay, And

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Speaker 1: now here's the deal. It Are they asking for something

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Speaker 1: that is so unreasonable that the cowboys don't budge, because

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Speaker 1: they will budge, right if you're reasonable and meet him

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Speaker 1: tell you what I've seen Jerry Jones operate locations like this,

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Speaker 1: two thirty this afternoon and the first practice at three

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Speaker 1: thirty and there's a new look to the practice field

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Speaker 1: out here. If you look off to my right looking

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Speaker 1: those are going to be some that's some prime real

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad the guy sandblasting yesterday at this time

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Speaker 1: has that was not? You handled it very well. I

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though. The Jerry even reference it

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Speaker 1: during the press credit to the residents in Yeah, they

479
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Speaker 1: have a new general manager and uh, I think it's

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Speaker 1: the Hotel Association in Oxnard because they kicked in some

481
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Speaker 1: big bucks to kind of renovate the operation out here.

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Speaker 1: And if anybody out, it's very noticeable. They've got the

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Speaker 1: stay ends up. There's signage that's on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the field over our shoulder back. Yeah, you can't

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Speaker 1: see it the other direction. They they've got more public

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Speaker 1: parking over on that side, on the Ventura Boulevard side

487
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Speaker 1: of the of the practice field where the people come in.

488
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Speaker 1: So before there was just a little spot and it

489
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Speaker 1: was for VIPs only. Now they got a huge I

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Speaker 1: can't judge acreage, but it's it's like six seven acres

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Speaker 1: of parking there and they've got mulched down for people. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it really was Chicago. I know what one acre is,

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Speaker 1: but I can't multiply it by whatever that is. But

494
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of room and everything. Come see us

495
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Speaker 1: if you're here. Everything's upgraded, is what I'm telling. It's

496
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Speaker 1: nice come see us. And then what it will be

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Speaker 1: noticeable during practice if you look at the stands, which

498
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Speaker 1: in traditionally have stretched freight basically from goal line to

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Speaker 1: go line traditional stands. In the middle of it, right

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Speaker 1: at the fifty yard line is probably what would you say,

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Speaker 1: a twenty five yards stress That is a what is

502
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Speaker 1: now a beer garden. Yeah, that's where Rob and I

503
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: will be up in the stands, meeting with fans and

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Speaker 1: talking football and very practice. Seriously, No, I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: it though. I always go up go up there and

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Speaker 1: do social setting. This is no lie though, Bill, and

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00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: you'll notice this, Mickey. I think if you walk the field,

508
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: as you said, there's like a yard between us and

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Speaker 1: the fans. Look at that. Yeah, there's like literally so

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Speaker 1: we will be we will be, We'll be up in

511
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Speaker 1: to stand so if you see us, let's say hello

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00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: that one day there a couple of times last year

513
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Speaker 1: and sat up real high the whole field with your fans.

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Speaker 1: Yes you did. I'll take pictures for so. Anyway, it's

515
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: a different look for the fan experience out here. It

516
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Speaker 1: should be very interesting. I don't know how much beer

517
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Speaker 1: is selling for, but the city of ox Nards doing

518
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Speaker 1: all that, so we will know five good beer they

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Speaker 1: have that we will see. And you know what, and

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Speaker 1: the best part about all this, the upgrade, is they're

521
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Speaker 1: trying to make sure they're entice and the Cowboys to

522
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Speaker 1: continue coming back. And I'm all for that. Yes, sixty

523
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: seven degrees. It's warming up, all right. It's been pretty

524
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Speaker 1: cool back in Dallas. It started off this morning when

525
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Speaker 1: I went out to work out at sixty one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you David Finfron and Rob. As you

527
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: can see the one third day in a row, there's

528
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: not a cloud in the sky, absolutely right. All right,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna What does it take to get Dack to

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Speaker 1: the higher elevation. That's what Brian brought up in the

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Speaker 1: last segment. So what do you think, you know what?

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Speaker 1: I think he's on the right path. I do like

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Speaker 1: the fact that I like the addition of John Kittna,

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Speaker 1: just from observations of just watching the OTAs and the

535
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Speaker 1: mini camps and stuff. Attention to detail, you know. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dak even talked about it in some of his camps

537
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Speaker 1: and stuff that he was doing that even with John,

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Speaker 1: that you know, how to point the knee point, the

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Speaker 1: elbow point, you know, keep yourself in throwing position. You know,

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00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: those are all things. If Yeah, we've always for years,

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Speaker 1: always talked about Tony Romo. He always worked on one

542
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: thing before camp, always tried to get better on one thing.

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00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I think Dak is to that point in his career

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Speaker 1: where he's trying to think about ways too. Okay, how

545
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Speaker 1: do I improve my game? I could throw to my left,

546
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I could move, I'm mobile, I'm tough. But how can

547
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Speaker 1: I stand there and make a good accurate throw on

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Speaker 1: that dig route? How can I have a little touch

549
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Speaker 1: pass out to the flat, or how can I get

550
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: the ball to the tight end on the drag underneath him?

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00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: These are all things as Dac as he grown older.

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Speaker 1: It's not about playing with guts and guile and just

553
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Speaker 1: instinct and God given ability. It's about Hey, let's work

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Speaker 1: on my craft a little bit more. Let's get a

555
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Speaker 1: little bit more proficient with how I play. And that's

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Speaker 1: where I think if you look for the elevation of

557
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Speaker 1: the game, I think Dak was always one of those

558
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Speaker 1: guys that understood what he had to do and what

559
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Speaker 1: he saw. I think, but he's taken it to a

560
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: whole another level with that ability to the vision and

561
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: then also the athletic ability along with the mechanics to

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Speaker 1: make his game better. What you got, I'll go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I think it's as simple as this. Maybe I'm being

564
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Speaker 1: too simple with it. I think it's just time in

565
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Speaker 1: the pilot's chair, just time on task. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think people forget that it took Tony Romo a few years.

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Speaker 1: I think by the time he was towards the end

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Speaker 1: of his career here, he had mastered the offense. He

569
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Speaker 1: had seen everything a defense could could throw at him,

570
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: sure free snap during the play, and was able to

571
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Speaker 1: adjust off of it and have that calm in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: And I think Dak, I don't know if the offseason

573
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Speaker 1: workouts or enough of a gauge. I think once we

574
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: get to out here and the games will really see it.

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Speaker 1: But he just seemed like such a more comfortable guy

576
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Speaker 1: back there. In the OTA's physical he looks different too, um,

577
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Speaker 1: but I just think he needs more time back there.

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00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: Do you guys think about this? Go ahead? He is

579
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: basically six games away from being where Tony was when

580
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: he started playing in the NFL. I mean it was

581
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Speaker 1: in his fourth year. Yeah, And it was six games

582
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: into the year before Parcels pulled the trigger on him. Yeah.

583
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Did everybody watch the last eight games? Yes, he was

584
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. Now you want to get better? I challenge

585
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: you to look at his three year stats and Troy

586
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: Aikman's three year stats. It pales. Troy's stats pale in

587
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: comparison to what Dak has already done. And when did

588
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Troy make his big leap his fourth year? Because when

589
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Speaker 1: he left off this team, when he when he hurt

590
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Speaker 1: his knee in ninety one, this was a six and

591
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Speaker 1: five team, and his stats when you looked at him

592
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Speaker 1: at that point were not all that great, and his

593
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Speaker 1: quarterback rating was not all that great. This guy has

594
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Speaker 1: has a career quarterback rating near ninety. He finished last

595
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Speaker 1: year completing seventy one percent of his passes the last

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Speaker 1: eight games. If you compared that to everybody else in

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Speaker 1: the last eight games. He led the league past percentage

598
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Speaker 1: the second half of the season, and he had a

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Speaker 1: one oh three quarterback rating the last eight games, and

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Speaker 1: that includes getting shut out in Indianapolis, So he was

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Speaker 1: pretty efficient. Now, what happened, oh, Amari Cooper, right, Marie

602
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Speaker 1: Cooper showed up. I don't know that they changed any

603
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: of his mechanics or anything significantly, sure, but he started

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Speaker 1: playing better. And if he can do what Brian said

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Speaker 1: and now keep elevating the way Aikman did, the way

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Speaker 1: Romo did, then you might have yourself a pretty darn

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Speaker 1: good quarterback here, especially since I don't think teams this

608
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Speaker 1: year will be able to say we'll take away Amari

609
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Speaker 1: Cooper the way they did in twenty seventeen with Dez

610
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Speaker 1: Bryant and we'll stop this passing game, because I think

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup and Randall Cobb are going to make a

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Speaker 1: significant input to what's going on here. Now. It helps

613
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Speaker 1: of Zeke's there right right. I don't wish that on anybody,

614
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Speaker 1: not to have a running game. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: what the analytics say or Brad was telling me he

616
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: was reading something some analytic talking about how you can't

617
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Speaker 1: count on the running game. It doesn't help your offense.

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Speaker 1: You have to be able to throw the ball. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. If you've got a running

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Speaker 1: back that can take it to the house anytime he

621
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Speaker 1: can touch the ball, and that helps everything everything, And

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Speaker 1: add Travis Frederick into the equation, add tight ends who

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Speaker 1: actually come into this season, and not talking about Witton,

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Speaker 1: the other two guys that have actually caught a ball

625
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, because neither one of them had caught

626
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Speaker 1: a ball last year, and you were playing those guys

627
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Speaker 1: along with Jeff Swain who had all of nine catches.

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Speaker 1: So it makes a difference. And your left guard is

629
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Speaker 1: no longer an undersized rookie at twenty years old who

630
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: should have been playing his last year at Texas. Yeah. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it the first half of

632
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Speaker 1: last year, cycling in all those different receivers without a

633
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper five or six. Dak even admitted like we

634
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: needed to kind of trim it down, so I knew

635
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: what to expect from this guy lining up in this spot,

636
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: and it Cooper solved that and Michael Gallup solved that.

637
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Speaker 1: To your point, by really getting better game to game.

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Speaker 1: Last year, I think his best game was against the

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Speaker 1: Rams in the playoffs. So you're so you're expecting a

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Speaker 1: jump from him to n I hate to circle back

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Speaker 1: to about Zeke because but Mickey eloquently just said it,

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Speaker 1: But who who benefits more from Zeke being here or

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Speaker 1: not being or who struggles the most of it not

644
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Speaker 1: being again? Was it be Dak or is it Kellen Moore?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I mean, a first year

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Speaker 1: play caller, But you know Kellen Moore is that he's

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Speaker 1: been in the league. He you know, he's been around.

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Speaker 1: It's not like he's just a guy that was, you know,

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Speaker 1: at W. T. White High School in North Dallas and

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Speaker 1: gets thrown into being an offensive coordinator. He's been in

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Speaker 1: the league, he's been a team. Yeah, But but who

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Speaker 1: who really benefits the most? And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: put y on the spot, but I'm thinking, if I'm

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Speaker 1: killing Moore, give me every every time everything I can

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Speaker 1: to call plays. I don't need. Okay, as much as

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Speaker 1: I love Dak and as much as I want to try,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if I'm killing more, I going love Dak.

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Speaker 1: Want to get him involved love and Morey Cooper love,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup love, Jason Witt love my offensive line. But

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Speaker 1: does does does Dak need Zeke Moore or does Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore need him more? No? I think both. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just look at the six games he missed in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: What did defenses do for a first year play caller.

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Speaker 1: They backed off. Yeah, I don't care who's calling plays.

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Speaker 1: If the defense is backing off and they're saying, I'll

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Speaker 1: absorb anything Alfred Morris does, I'll absorb it because he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna beat me. I don't have to worry about him.

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Speaker 1: I have to worry about Dak to death, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make sure, by God, those two guys aren't gonna

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Speaker 1: beat me. And defenses backed off. Y, you gotta make

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Speaker 1: sure that they're up at the line of scribbage and

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Speaker 1: going we cannot let this cat get past the line

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Speaker 1: of square. All the things that you said about Dak

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Speaker 1: makes me feel good. So I'm thinking, well, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: killing Moore that needs you know, the play caller. I mean, Dak.

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Speaker 1: We've all kind of seen when you said eight games, good,

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Speaker 1: good trajectory going up. You know everybody Rob is feeling

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Speaker 1: up good about everyone's kind of feeling good about DAK

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Speaker 1: this year. But it's I think that really the bigger

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Speaker 1: unknown is Kellen Moore. Well that's that. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like, how will Kellen Moore react with Next Man Up?

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Speaker 1: You know? Is that fair to Kellen Moore as a

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Speaker 1: play caller to play next man up with Darius Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Pollard and those guys. We've talked to Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: about this and then offseason. What did he say, like, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at some new things and we'll putting

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Speaker 1: some wrinkles basically and stuff like that, but we're not

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Speaker 1: going to get away from what we do. That's four

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Speaker 1: principles of the Sea. That's what people the core of

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Speaker 1: this offense see Ezekiel Elliott see. That's where people. I

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Speaker 1: think we've had mail bad questions, and I encourage you

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Speaker 1: guys to always read the mail back stuff because those

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Speaker 1: are good, good questions you guys ask. But the thing

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Speaker 1: about it is we've asked with Zeke. With all new terminology,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's all new terminology. I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is a brand new offense. It's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: core offense of what we've seen, the thirty seven going

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Speaker 1: off the left end, the thirty eight going off the

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Speaker 1: right end, with the run plays. There's core principles about

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Speaker 1: this offense. You're right, we're gonna see wrinkles and bunch

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Speaker 1: formations and different things. He's gonna do things different than

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Speaker 1: Scott Linehan, but at the core, it's not a different offense.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to get away from using Ezekiel Elliott,

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Speaker 1: not assuming he's on the you know, no, you know,

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Speaker 1: and really the offense, I don't think you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: radical changes. So the biggest challenge for I think Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore is the rhythm of calling plays. He's never had

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Speaker 1: to do it right, never, probably not since I said

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Speaker 1: it the other day high school when his dad let

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Speaker 1: him call his own place senior year, sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so that's the key thing. What kind of rhythm?

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Speaker 1: How many times does Jason Garrett have to step in

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Speaker 1: and go, I don't know about that, let's do this right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and he's and he's got help. You know,

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Speaker 1: John Kitten has been in these situations before, a place

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Speaker 1: he's played quarterback on teams that didn't have Ezekiel Elliott

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Speaker 1: as the running back, so he knows what it's like.

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Speaker 1: So there, and I think Kellen is is open to advice.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's the type of guy that's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's just mic job, get out of here. He's not

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Speaker 1: an independent contractor. This is and they keep saying any

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Speaker 1: think he will listen. And the head coach promoted him, right,

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Speaker 1: But the head coach has been in the exact same

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at twelve years ago, so he knows

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Speaker 1: the challenges and he's going to be available to help

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Speaker 1: him out. I mean, it's not it's to your point,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be killing on an island by himself.

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Speaker 1: So we shouldn't worry about then, we shouldn't worry about

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore the play caller. I want to see it. Well, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you said it. He needs every everything at the table

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty big piece that's not here right now

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Speaker 1: a hand the ball a time to Matt Suey. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you see in this league, Uh, stay fullback,

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Speaker 1: And and Brad was naming some names and I'm going,

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847
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Speaker 1: even need a credential old he get into the doors,

848
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: all right. My question, when we were talking about the

849
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense, the pass offense, what is the ceiling for

850
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: this Cowboys pass offense when you look around the league

851
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: any when you when you see what Patrick Mahomes did

852
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: last year with fifty touchdown passes his first year as

853
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: a starter, five thousand yards passing. He had some of

854
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: the same elements that the Cowboys have Kareem Hunt for

855
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: much of the season, Berner and Tyreek Hill. Now he

856
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: did have the playmaking tight end and Kelsey as well.

857
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: But uh, and then you look at other teams around

858
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: the league and what's happening pass offenses in the league,

859
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: And I think everyone here will say that, Okay, the

860
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: pass offense, even though the last eight games were much

861
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: better last year, it can it still needs to elevate. Uh,

862
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: what's the ceiling? Did you? Is it the twenty fourteen

863
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: Cowboys when Tony Romo, I think I through thirty four

864
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, it still had you know, a DeMarco Murray

865
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: who is running for eighteen hundred yards or whatever. Because

866
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: that element is still gonna be here with this Cowboys offense.

867
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: So what is the pass offense ceiling for this team?

868
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Where has Dak been touchdown wise for three years? About

869
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: that twenty five range? Last year he was at twenty

870
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: two with eight picks. The year before twenty two touchdowns,

871
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: thirteen picks. In his first year twenty three touchdowns, four picks.

872
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: So he's been pretty good with that differential, by the way,

873
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: you Aikman earlier. Yeah, comparing to Aikman's first three years

874
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: and this, of course, it was a totally different deal

875
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: as far as pass the passing game back then compared

876
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: to now, Shock you all, right, touchdowns to interceptions, It's

877
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: gonna shock everybody. Thirty one touchdown passes his first three

878
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: years and forty six interceptions. Yeah, per Aikman and Dak

879
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: right now is at sixty seven touchdowns and twenty five picks.

880
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: Can I get that Miami head coach back here? And

881
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: then maybe that coordinator from Carolina. Those guys did some

882
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: good things with Yeah, but the coordinator from Carolina didn't

883
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: showine was not good. Right, But I mean it's a

884
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: little different story. I know the offensive line wasn't. I

885
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: just have a lot of respect for Jimmy Johnson. That's

886
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: why I said that, uh to me, you know, I

887
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: I think the additions. You know, we talk about what's

888
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: back with you know, Travis Frederick being back. I think

889
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: that helps the offense so much. I think Jason Witten

890
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: being back helps the offense. You talk about uh, you know,

891
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: people think, oh, well he's slow, he can't do this

892
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: case he's yeah, he's not Kelsey, but but still down

893
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: in the red zone, he's a good player eighteen yards in.

894
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I talk about that a bunch. I think that that's

895
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: where you'll see some good things from him. But the

896
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: biggest thing I really I think the health of Randall

897
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: Cobb could be a huge difference maker here because to me,

898
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb plays down the field where Cole Beasley played underneath.

899
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: It was really good at Yeah, it's it's throwing the ball,

900
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: he gets it and he gets down. Randall Cobb is

901
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: a catch it, run, get up the field. If Randall

902
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Cobb can stay healthy, and this is the big if

903
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: about Randall Cobb, if he could stay healthy, then you're

904
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna see somebody different in this offer. You're gonna see

905
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: the ball going down the field. You're gonna see the

906
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: ball going to Gallup. You're gonna see Amari Cooper catching

907
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: the slant and taking it like we did last year.

908
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: But Randall Cobb is the one to me that's going

909
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: to be the difference maker of some third down players

910
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: who it's third and seven and all of a sudden,

911
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: it's if they throw it to him and it's it's

912
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: like a twenty one yard game. You know. Those are

913
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the things I think you're gonna see different about this

914
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: this pass offense that in that that we didn't see

915
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: last year or in previous years with Cole Beasley playing

916
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the slot, And I think you will see better production

917
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: from the tight end position. You're gonna they're not Kelsey, right.

918
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: You saw what Jarwin's capable of doing. And now he's

919
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: got some experience. And if you've been watching and Witten,

920
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: and I know it's skeleton drills, he is running much

921
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: better right now than where he left off. Yeah. I

922
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: was watching him run some routes the other day. He's

923
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: catching the ball over his head. He's running sharp, crisp

924
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: routes and and and it's like the year off helped

925
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, and he's kind of you know, I mean,

926
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: because I thought at the end he was something I

927
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: don't want. He was uber lumbering. I was gonna say struggling.

928
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't lumbering. He was lumbering. Yeah, and and and

929
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, and the biggest drop off I thought was

930
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: his ability to block. Right. He was getting called for

931
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: holding well, you know, with he Shoultz out there, and

932
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: you spot Witten and you put Jarwin out there in

933
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: a two tight end set, and now who's gonna cover

934
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: a six five tight end down the field the way

935
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: that kid can run, right, you know, And then you

936
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: gotta worry about Whitten underneath. And then you gotta worry

937
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: about and I'm gonna assume handing the ball to Zeke.

938
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have more options and they were the

939
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: start of last year. Michael Gallup, Tony Pollard. They're gonna

940
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: put him out there and have some kind of role

941
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: for him. I think san Ji Lau told us in

942
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: the offseason. I mean, there's speed all over the place.

943
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: They have speed at pretty much every position and that's

944
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: how that's how you get those The thing they were

945
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: missing the most, and Amari Cooper helped down the stretch,

946
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: was those chunk plays. Yeah, chunk players down the field.

947
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: They didn't have him in the first eight games, just

948
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: just didn't have it. Dallup will be the best second

949
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: receiver that Cowboys have had for Dak Prescott, hands down, easy, like,

950
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: maybe better than they've had in a number two receiver

951
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: in quite some time. I was surprised they cut Alan Hearns,

952
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: though I know, I'm it's kind of going away from

953
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: what he's talking about, But I was thinking, who is

954
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: going to be that guy if something happened. I'm with you,

955
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: who is going to be? You know? And there's people

956
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: within the organization that I talked to about Alan Hearns.

957
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Alan Hearns, Alan Hearns and and Tavon Austin

958
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: and Bent Brown the associate athletic trainer. They I know,

959
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: they didn't take a day off. I mean, we we all,

960
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: we all, we all even though we weren't a had

961
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: shows and stuff build, we could still walk into our

962
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: office look out the window, and every day you saw

963
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: those three guys out there busting there, you know what

964
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: out there. And that's the disappointment because I think that

965
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns is actually in better physical shape now than

966
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: when he like the Dolphins. The Dolphins got a great

967
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: deal and three million dollars they did, Yeah, okay, but

968
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: I think they did a great favor to him, and

969
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: they couldn't cut him when he's injured, right, okay. But

970
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: the ability for him to stay in the in the

971
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: Cowboys organization throughout the offseason to rehab and so forth

972
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: put him in position where now he held go to

973
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and make the team. But I thought all

974
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: along that they were going to address his contract situation. Yeah,

975
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 1: that's what That's what Mickey and Robert talking about earlier.

976
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones might be a little bit tougher than you know.

977
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: I was surprised they picked up his option. Frankly, yeah right,

978
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: but you're not going to cut an injury, so that

979
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: would not cut him. But I was surprised because they

980
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: had the club option on him. It was a club option,

981
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, because it's a club option, they

982
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: could do that five million. It's that's a lot. And

983
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: that's where they did him a favor by keeping him

984
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: around so that he could he could write and think

985
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: about is how many how many teams have a A

986
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm out of place saying he was

987
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: the fourth receiver. That's what I was thinking. How many

988
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: teams have a fourth receiver? Four six million dollars against

989
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: the captains. That's That's a point Steven spoke to this day.

990
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: We spent the first segment talking about how they gonna

991
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: pay all these guys you have. He said, we have

992
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: to watch where we allocate our money when we've got

993
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: this many young players coming up for contracts. It's a

994
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: curse drafting, well, it is, it really is. It's a

995
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: good problem to happen when you have a fourth receiver

996
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: making that much money. I think they would have liked it,

997
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: maybe brought him back at a different salary. But see

998
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: that's he got a nice deal from the Dolphins one year.

999
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: My focus was if something were to happen to one

1000
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: of the top three, who is going to be the

1001
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: fourth guy that's going to replace? If say, who's going

1002
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: to play the X or who's gonna play the Z.

1003
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: That's why we're here. Yeah, you can move Cobb around,

1004
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: but what if something happens at Cole? Okay, who's We

1005
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: had a male bad question again about who's going to

1006
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: play the slot, you know, and we went through and

1007
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't like just one name. It was like, Okay,

1008
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: they might try you know, Lance Lenore, they might try

1009
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Austin move in there. Exactly. Yeah. I think this puts

1010
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Tavon Austin to make this team. Yeah,

1011
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: absolutely team. Yeah, and because they can use him in

1012
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, but he's got to stay

1013
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: healthy and they need a punt return or two. And

1014
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: I know Cobb was kind of back there in the offseason,

1015
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: but do you want to use him in that role

1016
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: at this point? It's Cobb, you think, so? I think so.

1017
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done it. Who else you're gonna put

1018
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: back there? Yeah, Tavon. Yeah, but he's got to make

1019
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: the team. I'm saying, if he makes one make this roster,

1020
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: is the sixth guy? Is that the sixth guy? If

1021
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: they keeps six, I could qualify that because he can

1022
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: do other things for me. Sure, yeah, he can placeial teams.

1023
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: And if it's not Tavon, it's it's Randall Cobb. Uh

1024
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: and Keith Keith Keith, I heard no. Keith Keith told

1025
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: me that Randall Cobb the second day he was here,

1026
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: came to him and said, coach, I would like to

1027
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: return punts and he said, you don't get that from

1028
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: a nine year veteran ever. Ever, he might be so

1029
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: valuable that Brian Ross getting scared the Brian Broadest chicken theory.

1030
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: I can't replace the situation. And then you have to

1031
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: have a guy that if I had hearns, Yeah, I

1032
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: go return punts. Yeah I get a catch, I gotta

1033
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: can catch it too. I gotta have a guy that

1034
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: can catch. How many times we watched this team just

1035
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: struggle with fuel position because it's a catch. But that's

1036
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: the that's that's the significance of the punt return because

1037
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: what you don't want to do on punt returns is

1038
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: make a mistake and yeah, right, you know kickoff returns,

1039
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: all right, kick it over my head. We'll go out

1040
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: to the twenty five, right, and and you know you

1041
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: gotta find somebody to return the kickoffs. But I think

1042
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: Pollard's probably that guy. Right, We need to keep an

1043
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: eye on that. We do when for the punt, As

1044
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: it was explained to me, you you usually don't lose

1045
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: games on kickoffs, but you can lose a game right

1046
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: away on punts. Yeah, that munt coverage or punt returns.

1047
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: You know you don't want one blocked. Uh, and usually

1048
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: dropped a punt against the Giants? Was it early on

1049
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: in his career? Oh? And then that's what is that

1050
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: the game that Dwayne Harris brought back when it was

1051
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: that the game of Giants stadium stadium? Yeah, and then

1052
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris brought one back that won the game. And

1053
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: then the and then the Switzer fumbled punting Rams against

1054
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: the Rams in twenty seventeen, that turned that whole thing around.

1055
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Speaker 1: All right, So what are you look at? What are

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Speaker 1: you looking for today out here in our final minutes

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Speaker 1: here of talking Cowboys? What are you looking at? Ota practice?

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Speaker 1: Basically with the helmets and the T shirt. You know

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Speaker 1: what I think Brian said it earlier. We're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to see how they line up, Yeah, line

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Speaker 1: up like for sure, who's the first? Now they'll probably

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Speaker 1: go by seniority, right, he's running back, so it's Darius

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Speaker 1: Jackson Jackson the way they were doing it. And he

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Speaker 1: does look bad though, by the way, his two years

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Speaker 1: from being knee surgery, looks a little fresher moving around

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Speaker 1: out there in the other and he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: really show him because he got those opportunities late and

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Speaker 1: he didn't look like so it'd be sitting good to

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Speaker 1: see that and see how they're stiff. How they're lining

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Speaker 1: up six scary sixteen yards lining up now behind the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, behind the top three. Yeah, like, wh who's

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Speaker 1: out there next? Who's in the slot next? And you're

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Speaker 1: missing a couple of defensive linemens still with with DeMarcus

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford and Byron Jones. Just figuring out that defensive

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Speaker 1: line rotation is going to be interesting over this month.

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Speaker 1: A lot of young corners out there too, Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: lot of young corners going to try and battle for

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Speaker 1: spots and stuff. That's what's really cool about see how

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Speaker 1: they use the rookies the draft choices. But I've always

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Speaker 1: found this my big experience working in this league. Guys

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Speaker 1: cut themselves. You could hot, you know, we could all

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Speaker 1: talk about who we're high to see how and we're

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Speaker 1: all gonna be anxious to look and buy about that week,

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Speaker 1: two week, ten days into practice, about that tenth practice,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look. Okay, these are the fifty three guys

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Speaker 1: a week day. You said, you said at the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: What a coaches love the most consistency, consistent these young

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Speaker 1: guys practice. That's what antoine Wood showed for three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely he didn't really have a bad day. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he's proved to him I can handle his job. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How many times what we're seeing guys cut themselves the

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Speaker 1: fourth preseason game even yeah, well that that who that

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Speaker 1: quarter that one year we were playing they're playing the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Who's at the quarter that had the team made? It

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Speaker 1: was a the ended I got a wide receiver example, Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Andy Jones a few years ago. Yeah, looking

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Speaker 1: great out here and the game started and he took

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Speaker 1: lance or could do that to you too. Unfortunately, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to work really hard to shed that label. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I think they've seen the same thing we've Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think two guys once the pads come on

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Speaker 1: that I think I'd be very interested watching is where

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Speaker 1: Travis Frederick is? Is he Travis Fredericks And can Robert

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Speaker 1: Quinn hold down that right defensive end spot. I like

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Speaker 1: it because if he can, if he and I want

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Speaker 1: to see it in pads right, because we did the

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Speaker 1: jahad Warden dance last year. Right. Hey, Rod warned us

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Speaker 1: back then you gotta see it in pass right and

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Speaker 1: he got out here and he disappeared. I love Robert quick.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: any further. I'm with you, but I think they love

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. Yeah, now you gotta see it. How about

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Speaker 1: Dorn's armstrong too? He I mean, because no Crawford, who's

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Speaker 1: played left end all Ota, every OTA snap at starting

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Speaker 1: at left end, was armstrong. So so the end positions,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Taco, Let's see it. Let's see

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Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks, I know you got a nice bend and burst. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now when your pads like, can you do that? You

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Speaker 1: know Carrie Hyder who they say and carry hiders and

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Speaker 1: Christians having today we haven't seen yet time, but we

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Speaker 1: won't see Chris Covington today and they're really disappointed about

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Speaker 1: that because they thought he was coming on. What happened

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Speaker 1: to him? By the way, I bet he hit one

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Speaker 1: of those divots there, you got all right? We'll be

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Speaker 1: back together tomorrow morning with more divot talk as Mickey

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Speaker 1: will be watching the divots at practice today. And we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us also on periscope. Absolutely, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Talk at you again tomorrow on Talking Cowboys. This has

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