1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: a sibling. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 4: Railvalry. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, revelry. 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: That's good. Welcome back to our conversation with psychic medium 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: John Edwards. So to reset the scene here, Kate is 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: joining over zoom. I'm sitting here with Mama Mama, Goldie 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 2: Mama Goldie Han, who's a massive John Edward fan, and 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: John himself, and I want to kick off part two 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: with something that I've always wanted to ask. Are you 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: afraid of death? 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: I'm not at all? No, zero, nope, not afraid. 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: Are your kids afraid of death? Anyone? 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 4: I've had very very open conversations with them because my 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 4: mom died when I when she was forty eight. 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: My dad died when I was fifty nine. Wow, So 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 4: you know that'll come from great stock. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: So I'd never made it morbid, but I would always say, 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: especially when I started with my son, I'd be like, hey, 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 4: in case I get abducted by aliens, I want you 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: to know this. We had a lot of conversations that 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 4: started with that phrase, and then he was about twelve 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 4: years old. We took a walk and he goes, Dad, 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: you have a question. I went, sure, what's the question? 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: He goes, I get to psychic stuff, Like I get 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: that cool? When did you become When did you become 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 4: obsessed with alien abduction? And I like looked at him 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm not but my dad was 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 4: a big ufo guy, so I was like, justin making 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: a connection with my dad, right, I went right there? 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 37 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: He goes, no, you're pretty you're pretty obsessed with aliens. 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, justin. I go, I like Star Wars. I go, 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: but like, why are you are you saying? He goes, well, 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: you always say in case I get abducted by aliens. 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: I started to laugh. I went just I go, that 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: means like if I'm not on this dimension any longer 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 4: and I'm existing on a different dimension. I wanted you 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: to know whatever came next after that, he's well, that 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 4: means like when you die, that's what it sounds like. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 4: And I go, yeah, it's pretty much what it means. 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: He goes, well, that's not funny. I go, never meant 48 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: to be funny. I go, how many conversations did we 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: have that we're so deep that started with that phrase? 50 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 4: He goes a lot. I go in one day when 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 4: you're a dad, I'm going to hear you say, hey, 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: you know, little Johnny, in case I get abducted by aliens, 53 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: and there'll be a nugget that you'll start a conversation with. 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: And that's what I tell people. Like, So, if you're 55 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: listening to this and you come from a family that's 56 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: really not uey guy and emotional and connected where you 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: say the I love yous and all that, say it 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 4: in a way that you can get it across. Steal 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: the phrase, say in case I get abducted by aliens, 60 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: and then say the thing that you want to say 61 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 4: to the person, because it'll disarm the person that you're 62 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: saying it too, and they'll receive what it is you say. 63 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: You're aft. It's almost it's so obscure that it almost 64 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 2: attaches itself, you know what I mean? The alien thing 65 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: was so sort of out there that you are now remembering, 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: you know, the real nuggets of what came after that sentence. 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: It disarms them and they're like, right, yeah, you have 68 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: that moment. 69 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because as kids, I mean, we have 70 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: a fear or a sadness projection, projecting. When your parents 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: are no longer with you, it's almost like a piece 72 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: of you is gone. I mean, you know, I've had 73 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: moments with Mom and Pau where I drop into that 74 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: place because it's masochistic, I guess where you just sort 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: of like, I want to try to feel what that 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: feels like, and then you have to come out of 77 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: it because it's just horrifying. 78 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: But take it to the next stop, right, take it 79 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: to the next place, have that conversation, say it right, 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: because it's a normal human thing to say, like, one 81 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: day I may not be here. Katie asked me that. 82 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 83 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 5: She said, Mommy, are you afraid of dying? And I said, no, 84 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 5: I'm not afraid of dying. I just love life so 85 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 5: much I don't want to die. 86 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: And one day everybody that's sitting in this room right 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 4: now won't be here in the physical force, I know, right, 88 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: And the reality is we will have a legacy of 89 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: love and communication hopefully that we've left behind for the 90 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: people to keep us very present. When I'm reading for someone, 91 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 4: A lot of my family stories come out, and when 92 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: I see the people in those stories that are now 93 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: all gone, right, when I'm conveying a reading to a 94 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: complete stranger, but I'm seeing my aunt Rachel, or I'm 95 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: seeing my aunt Hannah, or I'm seeing a good friend 96 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 4: named Shelley. Whatever those people represent for me is now 97 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: what's being used as a symbol in that moment. They're 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: present in that moment. They're with me in that moment 99 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 4: because time is linear, right, Yeah, times doesn't exist there 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: now this here? 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? And do your kids and your wife and your 102 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: family and people around you. Is there a comfort in 103 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: death because of what you do and what you've seen 104 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: and what you've experienced, because they know that, you know, 105 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: when Dad goes or whatever he's they're all going to 106 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: be here around me. I think. So I hope. 107 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: So, I mean, I hope I've done my job well 108 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 4: enough that I've inspired me exactly. 109 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 5: I do when I go to bed at night, upon occasion, 110 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 5: not every night, but I do bring my guides around me, 111 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 5: and I invite them to join me in my sleep. 112 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 5: And there are a lot of my family and then 113 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 5: there are guides I probably will never. 114 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 4: Know until we get there, right, until we get there. 115 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 5: So but I will say this, it is the most 116 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 5: comforting feeling to be able to basically ask for your guides, 117 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: your mother, your father, all the people around you, and 118 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 5: it's pure love. But there they are, and now I 119 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 5: am like a baby drift. 120 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: Off to sleep. 121 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: It feels good. I ask myself the question of my 122 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 5: conjuring this up or am I really calling in my guides? 123 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: And I think that's something that I will never get 124 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: confirmation on probably. 125 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 126 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: I kind of look at as like a text, right. 127 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 4: Sometimes you send a text to somebody, they will always 128 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 4: respond right way they have their if it's off, your 129 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: phones off, and then eventually they'll they'll get around to 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 4: seeing it. But your intention of sending that tex still 131 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: exists whether they've seen it or not. What you're asking, 132 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: what you're saying, what you're sharing, so it's received. 133 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: There has to be such a fulfillment in what you 134 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: do too, because again we're going to get to the 135 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: book and we only have a little more time left. 136 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: But the fulfilling it is for you to sort of 137 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: gift people these things. I mean, it's truly giving, putting 138 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: people at ease a lot of the time. So you know, 139 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: I feel like, my job, does it ever become a 140 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: job where you're like, next, it's a passion, it is. 141 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 4: No, it's a passion, and that passion is to leave 142 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 4: people better than I find them with the responsibility. And 143 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: I have a huge feeling of like ethics that come 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 4: with like wanting to share and teach, Like I don't 145 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 4: like seeing the subject matter performed, they don't like seeing 146 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: it used in a performative way. 147 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: So I actually on that note, and I wanted to 148 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: get into a little bit of how you became such 149 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: a success. You've got a TV show, you're making dough. 150 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: Now you're in entertainment. So was that a difficult thing 151 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: for you to try to square where it's like, well, 152 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: this is what I do, but now I'm actually I'm 153 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: actually monetizing what I do, and there is an entertainment factor, 154 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: at least from the outside perspective. 155 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: So no, And I'll tell you why, because I never 156 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: saw it as entertainment. I saw it as education. And 157 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: when I was very very young and I first started 158 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: out the psychic I met a psychae by the name 159 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: of Virginia, and she became a family friend and she's 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: like my mom's age, right, So I was like hanging 161 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 4: out with people like I'm fifteen sixteen hanging out with 162 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: forty year olds. And she came to the house and 163 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: my office phone rang and she answered the phone. She goes, 164 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be your sistant today, and she answers the 165 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: phone and she books an appointment right as my assistant, 166 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: and she tripled my rate whatever it was. And I 167 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: looked at her like, George, that why are you saying that? 168 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: And she looked at me with this look and she 169 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: hung the phone up. She said, I've sat next to you. 170 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: I know what you're capable of doing. She goes, you're 171 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: capable of doing stuff that you don't even know yet. 172 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: She goes, people can't pay you for what you do, 173 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: but they can't pay you for your time, and they 174 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: have to this way. They take it seriously. And I've 175 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 4: never forgotten that because you really can't put a price 176 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: on the connection, but you could. You could put a 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: price on the time, and then you have to if 178 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: you're going to do this from a from a business standpoint. 179 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: So I was always okay with squaring Away, like, Okay, 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: well how do I do this because nobody's gonna pay 181 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: my mortgage? 182 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Right? 183 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: I do this because nobody's gonna. 184 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: Pay my taxes. 185 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 4: And then how do I make myself available? And then 186 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: that just became the structure the the television shows, the books, 187 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 4: all teaching opportunities. Right, everything has been a teaching opportunity. 188 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: But this book is a different one for me. 189 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: Did you say psychic fair? 190 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: You heard me? 191 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: I can't imagine imagine walking through that fair, psychic Fair. 192 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: I want to go, Oh my. 193 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: God, you're fucked up about this was going on? Oh Jesus, 194 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna make me alliens. Wait a minute, you're gonna die. 195 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: Think about it like a. 196 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: Hotelroom, right, a hotel warroom, and there's like table and chairs, 197 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: and you have two psychics per table, and from eleven 198 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: to five, every fifteen minutes people would book a reading 199 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: with different people and and it was like almost like 200 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: a speed dating for psychics. 201 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: I go to a psychic fair. 202 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 5: That would be amazing, so much fun. 203 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: John, I want a teacher? 204 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: How do I find a teacher? So I think it's 205 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: important to decide what kind of thing you want to study. 206 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: I always say look at the person's intention, Like, you know, 207 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of of certifications. There are 208 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: a lot of people that like do like certification courses, 209 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: and to me, I feel like, let me charge you 210 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 4: a lot of money, and then I'm gonna give you 211 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: a piece of paper at the end to show you 212 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 4: why I charge you a lot of money. I'm not 213 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: a fan of that, isn't that And no disrespect to 214 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 4: the people out there who you know who do that. 215 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 4: That's their business, that's their business model, not for me. 216 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: In fact, I did a course and I made sure 217 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 4: that part of the selling of the course that they 218 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: couldn't use my name and that they couldn't say I 219 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: studied with John right, because I was like, I don't know, no, no, 220 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: I'm not okay with that. 221 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: So well, how would you how would you point Kate 222 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: in the right direction of finding someone? 223 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: Well, there's not just one thing that you would study. 224 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: So you'd have to have somebody that maybe taught you 225 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: how to meditate, and you'd have to have somebody that 226 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 4: would teach you maybe basic astrology and basic numerology, and 227 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: then you can have somebody that could teach you taro. 228 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 4: And then what now you're doing is you're having your 229 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: teachers that specialize in the field, and then you bring 230 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: all that together and you break it together in the 231 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 4: mind of Kate, right, and then you recognize what you 232 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: would resonate, and then more than likely you would say, 233 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 4: you know what, I liked numerology. 234 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: I liked taro. 235 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: Wow, astrology really talked to me. That becomes the tool 236 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 4: that you would use for me. It was taro like 237 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: you put a deck cara cards in my hands, and 238 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: all of a sudden like it was just like, yeah, 239 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: I used to play piano. And when I played piano 240 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: from the age of five until sixteen, I would practice 241 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: sometimes two to three hours a day until my hand's 242 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: like really really hurt. And the piano teacher would say, 243 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 4: why do you practice so much? And I was like, 244 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 4: get feelings from the keys, like the keys talk to me. 245 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: And the piano teacher said, he's going to be like 246 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: he's going to be a And then the most amazing 247 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: thing happened, and that was when a deck of tarot 248 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: cards were put in my hands. The piano stopped talking, 249 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 4: but the cards didn't. So it was almost like The 250 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 4: executive producer of Crossing Over as a man by the 251 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 4: name of Paul Shavelson, and when I told him that story, 252 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: he said, oh, that makes complete sense. 253 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: To me. 254 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: He goes, they were tuning you like an instrument, use 255 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: them the piano until they put the next instrument. The 256 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 4: cards in your hands, he goes, until you recognize you 257 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 4: didn't need them. Wow, but I still love them. 258 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: That's so great. 259 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: Do you find that they became this sort of like 260 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: structure but that you didn't really need? 261 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: No, I didn't really they were my dumbos Feather's. 262 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool. 263 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: Now do you ever wake up in the middle of 264 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: the night and have visitations or things that come to 265 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: you that like does it or like do you get disrupted? 266 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm piggyback on that. I was going to ask, 267 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: you have to turn it off? Or can you turn 268 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: it on and turn it off? 269 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: You have to as a professionally, you always have to 270 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 4: kind of turn it off. You can't just be on. 271 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: It's not helping you. And plus, if you're choosing to 272 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: be on, then from an ego standpoint, you're allowing yourself 273 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: to be open, which means that you can literally pick 274 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: up on other people's stuff and then take it upon 275 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: yourself to go, oh my god, I'm getting this. I 276 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: should I should say this. And if you're not in 277 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: the environment where this is happening, then it's not really 278 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 4: appropriate to enter someone's vibration without out there consent. You 279 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: can do more damage than good because you don't know 280 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: where they are in their journey of grief. So ambush readings, 281 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: I'm not okay with you. See that a lot on 282 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: YouTube and people they do. I'm like, yeah, not cool. 283 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what about visitations for you. 284 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: Visitations for me? If that happens, it happens for things 285 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: that more connected to me personally, so it's not gonna 286 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: happen for a client. But they'll sometimes they will wake 287 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: me upkay to give me information. And sometimes they will 288 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 4: wake me up to give me information and then they 289 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: won't let me go back to sleep unless I write 290 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: it down wow, right in case I don't remember it. 291 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're talking to people, like, for instance, you're 292 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: talking to us, do things come up for you as 293 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: you're when you're connecting that you just don't get into 294 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: so that you can have normal conversations. 295 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I try to keep myself off unless I'm 296 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 4: in an environment where I am already on. 297 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: One more question. Then the psychics in these rich neighbors 298 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: like Brentwood right on Samma Sente there's these huge things, 299 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: this psychic on it. That building must cost twenty thousand 300 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: dollars in rent. Is that or is that not a 301 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: money laundering center? Because I see them everywhere in these 302 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: rich neighbor I'm like, how are they affording the rent? 303 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: And there has to be some money launder. 304 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 4: Can I tell you I've never looked at it that way? 305 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 4: I have never, but now maybe I will. 306 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah. 307 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 5: I know it's really lucrative over there. Oh gosh, how 308 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 5: are these people really expensive? Part? 309 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: I know that there have been like issues with certain 310 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: places like that where they get people that are extremely 311 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: global come in and then they tell them they have 312 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: a curse on them, and now they've got to pay 313 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: them five thousand dollars to exactly hands and then now 314 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: the rent is made because if you get multiple people 315 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: who do that, and if you have a family that's 316 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: living there, so now it's kind of their residence. In 317 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: the front of that is a store with a little 318 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: palm with the neons on that says, you know whatever, Yeah, 319 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: And I think we have to be careful about stuff 320 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: like that. Yes, And I think that just because some 321 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: has the word psychic in front of their name, or 322 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: medium in front of their name, and they are a 323 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: good talker if they don't deliver information. And there's a 324 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: very big difference between information and emotion. 325 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: M M. 326 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: So I always tell people when somebody's giving you information 327 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: as a psychic, do you want them to be emotional, 328 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: animated and crying over you? Or do you want them 329 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 4: to be like a doctor, surgical, precise and giving you insights. 330 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: This way you could feel the way you want to feel. Yeah, 331 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: And I think where we are in today's society when 332 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: you look at reality shows, when you look at the TikTok, 333 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: and you look at where people get attention, I never 334 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: want to see the subject matter put into that position 335 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 4: because ultimately we're talking about people's grief. Yeah, we're talking 336 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: about people's loved ones. You're talking about like how that 337 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 4: person can evolve through where they're at. 338 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 339 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So the book, how did this start? Why did 340 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: you decide to write this book? We talked a little 341 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: bit before we got on the air here that you 342 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: have only written in books to sort of help people, right, 343 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: and that you have a bit of anxiety around this 344 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: one because it has some flash to it. R had 345 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: some sizzle to it. 346 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: So I left television and I launched something called Evolve 347 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: plus tv dot com, which is kind of like I think, Kay, 348 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 4: you would love that, right. It is a one stop 349 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 4: destination where I have all these people that are verified 350 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 4: that come and they teach. So it is the epitome 351 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: of where I'm at in my career. But in the background, 352 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: I've been helping Bob for twenty five years and there 353 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: was one specific case a few years ago where it's 354 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: a very very sad story and we opened the book 355 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: with this little boy that's missing and when he's found, 356 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: and again, I want to just it's a dark and 357 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: a very sad story. And it's probably the only only 358 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: experience I had with him on this journey where I 359 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: had a sense of urgency and I think it was 360 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: the daddy in me that kicked in for this little boy. 361 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 4: I felt Bob needed to be validated. It was the 362 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: first time ever in my knowing him that when this 363 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: little boy was found and he was intrinsic into finding that, 364 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: there was a press conference that was happening, and he 365 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: was describing the press conference and I remember saying, like, 366 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: nobody's going to know what he did. Nobody's going to 367 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 4: know how he found this kid, like what he did, 368 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: not what I did. What he did as a sacrifice. 369 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 4: And I said, Bob, if you want to step in 370 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: front of that camera today and acknowledge your involvement, I'll 371 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 4: support you. And I remember he was like, no, I 372 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: don't think so, and this part of me that was like, oh, right, right, 373 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: you know, But it was the first time that I 374 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: remember feeling he needed this, like he needed to be 375 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 4: validated like this. And then just through a series of 376 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 4: other conversations and other cases and other stuff, he retired 377 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: from the FBI, and then that feeling was bigger, like okay, 378 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 4: and there's an overarching story in this book, you know, 379 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: like this one case and they always say, like investigators 380 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: have that one case. This is a big case. It's 381 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: a really really big case. And he was successful in 382 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 4: one aspect but not in another. So there's this like 383 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 4: unfinished China whatever, and a lot of sacrifices got made 384 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: in this man's life for the betterment of other people. 385 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: And I said to him, I go, is it time 386 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: And like he was, I think it's time. My kids 387 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: are older. And I was like, I'll support you in 388 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: whatever way I possibly can, And it kind of came 389 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: to fruition by people saying, well, will you be in it? 390 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'll be in it, Like yeah, 391 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 4: I'll do it. No, no, no, will you be in it? 392 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: I was like, you mean like be in it, like 393 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 4: beyond it and they were like yeah. I was like, 394 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 4: is that's going to be what's necessary? And they were like, 395 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 4: we'd like it to be the perspective of both. And 396 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: that was a that was the moment we talked about. 397 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay. And it turned out to 398 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 4: be a pretty transferrmative thing for me because here's what 399 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 4: John Edward learned. He had some serious, unresolved daddy issues 400 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: that I thought I dealt with, and this book was 401 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 4: a reflection of me having to work through. Like, yes, 402 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 4: I did the work. I understood my dad had an 403 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: alcohol problem, and I understood who he was, and I 404 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: understood why my mom and dad weren't together, and I 405 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: understood why I went no contact, and I understood all 406 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: of these things and I kind of wrapped it up 407 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: with a nice little bow. Yeah, but guess what the 408 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 4: little me inside was apparently needing some validation, and what 409 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: did the universe send in an FBI agent who has 410 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 4: the same patriarchal energy that my dad did, who gave 411 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 4: me the validation, showed me value, and I was able 412 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: to help him and get appreciation back. So who knew 413 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: that this cathartic thing is going to happen from an 414 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: FBI guy trying to come expose me as a fraud? 415 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: Right? And that is that in the book? In the book, 416 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: that's great. 417 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Chasing Evil is all about it's his journey, 418 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: my journey, and like supernatural and true crime coming together exactly. 419 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: But also talking about your personal stories, your emotions, what 420 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: you learn. 421 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 5: Also how so many people in the world carry that. Yeah, 422 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 5: they figure it out, they're strategically thinking, I know my 423 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: father was this, my mother was that. They've made it 424 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 5: all okay in one way or another, but they never 425 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, where are you and 426 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: all of that. It's good to have your executive function working, 427 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 5: but where is that buried emotional construct that you haven't 428 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 5: really experienced and that was opened up by doing this, 429 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: which is such an amazing, unpredictable. 430 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: It's not traditional like we always think that traditionally you 431 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: go to therapy da da, da da. But for anything 432 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: you needed there it was a non traditional thing, which yeah, seriously, 433 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, totally good. Yeah. 434 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: No. 435 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: I mean when I was getting my wife now for 436 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: twenty five years, but when we were getting together and 437 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: talking about stuff and you know, my issues with my dad, 438 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 2: and she would she said to me something that was like, 439 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: she goes, yeah, you recognize them, but you haven't done 440 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: anything to help yourself. Oh yeah, I know this happened, 441 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: and I get it. I'm good, I get it, I 442 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: know it, figured it out like you said, wrap it 443 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: up in a little bow. I got it. But she's like, 444 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: you haven't done anything to sort of better yourself or 445 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: dig through, right. 446 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: And then you become the dad right and then now 447 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: oh gosh, right as you was the dad, like I 448 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: remember when my son was born, I was like, oh 449 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: am I going to mess this kid up? Like I 450 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: don't have anything to pull from here, Like I don't 451 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 4: have any So what I did was I whipped out 452 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: my psychic toolbox and I energetically parented my son and 453 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: knocked it out of the park by giving him things 454 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: that I didn't get from my dad exactly. And then 455 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: five years later, when my daughter showed up, I had 456 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: this quiet confidence like I got it I got this, Yeah, 457 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 4: And then she showed up and my dad was an aquarius. 458 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: He's an aquarian, right, he's passed, but he's an aquarian. 459 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 4: And I saw what my daughter's birthday it was going 460 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 4: to be. She was an aquarian, and I went oh. 461 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 4: I was like, this is going to be the universal 462 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: seesaw so what I didn't deal with with my dad? Right, 463 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: the Aquarian Libra parent child relationship inverted and it became 464 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 4: me and Olivia. And when Olivia came into this world, 465 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: she came in with an energy of not liking me. 466 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 4: It was a very weird dynamic. And everybody used to 467 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: go like, oh my god, she's your little girl. Does 468 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: she have you wrapped around her? Nope? Nope, not even 469 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: a little bit. YEA loved her. Mom did not like me, 470 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 4: and it set up a universal dynamic that could have 471 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: perpetuated a negative relationship. And that's why I could say 472 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: I did the work. I recognized there I need to 473 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 4: do the work. And then chasing evil kind of just 474 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: now became the now it's time for you to work 475 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: on you. 476 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: And that's did you have to come to Jesus. Moment 477 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: went with your dad before he passed, you did, so 478 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: you had you. 479 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 4: Got it all out and figured it out multiple times. 480 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: You did multiple times. 481 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 4: Where it wasn't unresolved me. Yeah, my feelings about it. Yeah, 482 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: Like I could be logical about it. I could be 483 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 4: logical and say, well, you know, he had issues, he 484 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 4: had some stuff that he had to navigate and didn't 485 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: make him a bad person. That made him a bad dad. 486 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 4: And by the way, everybody loved him. So everybody loved 487 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: my dad. 488 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody facing their truths. It's hard and sometimes you 489 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 5: need these catalysts to get there, but you have actually 490 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 5: will help so many people realize you know how to 491 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 5: shake yourself from some of these what we call cyclical 492 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 5: cyclical thinking or un lack thereof of the emotional connections. 493 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: Emotions are so important and powerful. So you're because a 494 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 5: way that you're going to unlock a lot of. 495 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 4: A lot of things. 496 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: Hope. 497 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: So, and I want everybody, like Kate, I want everybody 498 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 4: to be a student of the universe because we're all 499 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: here to learn. 500 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: Right. 501 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: So for anybody that's feeling stuck, you may think, oh 502 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 4: my god, I need to go get a mediumship reading. No, 503 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 4: you don't go have your astrological chart one and go 504 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: to the place where you think that the stuck part happened, 505 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: or go to the moment where you know that it happened, 506 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: which could have been twenty years ago, and have that 507 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 4: astrologer that you feel comfortable with literally talk you through 508 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: what was the lesson I was supposed to learn from that, 509 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: because I promise you, from that moment on that lesson 510 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 4: has been being taught to you over and over and 511 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 4: over again. 512 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no, I just I just found 513 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: a journal from twenty five years ago and I started 514 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: reading it and it was depressing because it's still the 515 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: same shit that I deal with today. I'm like, have 516 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: I not learned anything? You know? It's like, you need 517 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: to be more confident, you need to fucking am I 518 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: What the fuck I'm supposed to have shifted by now? 519 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: It's crazy you have those It's they're sticky. Those deeper 520 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: issues are sticky. 521 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I mean you know still. I mean I 522 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: I people didn't think I was smart when I was little. 523 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 5: I had a learning disability, and you know, I didn't 524 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 5: know it, and you know, we didn't know. You know what, 525 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: you couldn't read very well, you know, because you maybe dyslexic. 526 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 5: But those things we didn't know, and I felt stupid. 527 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 5: I signed every all my papers at the end, Love Goldie. 528 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 5: But they weren't finished, right, they were unfinished papers. But 529 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 5: I made sure that there was love in the room. 530 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: Well, if you if you finish, you did it finish 531 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: because love Goldie means that it's an end. There's an 532 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: end to it. 533 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, I ended it, but not at the 534 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 5: right time. 535 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like how much. 536 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 3: It's like how mom texts. Yeah, yeah, you don't know 537 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: what just happened, but it does level. 538 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, I love me too. Does a book read 539 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: like it's not? It's non fiction, but but does it 540 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: read It's got that punch to it. It's like there's 541 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: some pros and. 542 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's a roller coaster. You come 543 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 4: on the journey with us on these cases. 544 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 545 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 4: You come on both journeys. You come on the transformational 546 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: journey and you come on the criminal journey. 547 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 5: What a great idea it would also be. 548 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 3: It's going to be such a great book and also 549 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 3: be such a great podcast. 550 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny you should say that because I want 551 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 4: Bob to do a true crime pop. I don't want 552 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 4: him to do it be great crime podcast podcast. 553 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: But with that, like in connection, what an interesting, what 554 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: a fun. 555 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 4: You're being psychic because I literally told him last night. 556 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 4: I was like, you need to be doing a true 557 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 4: crime podcast. I go, I could drop in from time 558 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: to time, but you should investigate like all these other 559 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 4: big cases. 560 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: He's a great Yeah, I. 561 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 5: Tell you a little story. So I had in my house, 562 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: my last house, I had a lot of water was 563 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 5: being turned on its own, voices were being heard from 564 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 5: you know, oh yeah, TV's off and on one time 565 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 5: that one TV went on so loud I couldn't believe it. 566 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 5: In the middle of the night. It was like, okay, 567 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 5: this is enough, all right. I did see a lady 568 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 5: in the doorway. I told her if she wants to 569 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 5: stay here, she can, don't worry about it. Just don't 570 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 5: do any truth. 571 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 4: Welcoming, very welcoming, you. 572 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 5: Know, along, but whatever. I got a little information in 573 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 5: the meantime. Then I called someone I know that is 574 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 5: a medium, and I said to him, by the way, 575 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: I need somebody here to clear the house. Right So anyway, 576 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 5: brought this woman in literally four foot you know seven, 577 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 5: which is tiny, and she was someone that had this 578 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 5: vision where she saw things when she was very little. 579 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 5: So anyway, so he comes and he brings her to 580 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 5: the house and she's sitting on I'm a little bit 581 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 5: late for the meeting. I come in and she says 582 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: to me, Okay, it's not I just want to tell you. 583 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 5: I didn't know her from Adam. But she said, what 584 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: we're trying to do here, it's not the woman you 585 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 5: saw in the house. This is a young man, okay, 586 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 5: who's been with you for many, many years. He's been 587 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: around you and he's which we had to look this up, 588 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 5: but he was killed during a Sharon tate, they said, 589 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 5: and that's where it came up. But he was explaining 590 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 5: that he was delivering a video for and he worked 591 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: in a video shop. So that particular night when all 592 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 5: that happened, there was someone that came to the house 593 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 5: delivering videos. 594 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: So it all worked out because. 595 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 5: Nobody really knew that, and they had researched while I 596 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 5: was gone to Anyway, I couldn't believe it, she said, 597 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 5: But because that was my early days. He was in 598 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 5: early movies, and he was in the movies. He fell 599 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 5: in love with Goldie, right, and you know, at a 600 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 5: crush whatever, and she said, he's never left you and 601 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 5: he has not crossed over. And then he's said a 602 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 5: few things to me, which you know, happened to be 603 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: around what a private issue. But it was so true, 604 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 5: and I thought, what are we going to do? And 605 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 5: at which point she said, I will help him move over, 606 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 5: you know. But it was very interesting to hear that 607 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: that she knew nothing about that, and that he has 608 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 5: followed me in many places that I've been so. 609 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: Like checking in now, like checking in with you. 610 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: He's like checking in and I and I mentioned, you 611 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: know something about Wyatt and something about hockey, Like, yeah, 612 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: how does he know about that? From the other side, 613 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 5: So the questionnaire is, Okay, she put seeds around the house, 614 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 5: she put seeds up to but she relates the house. 615 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 616 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: After that everything happened. Nothing went on. We didn't have 617 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 5: any water coming out of anything, or TV's going on. 618 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 5: It all seemed to stop. I guess my question is 619 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 5: is that true? 620 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: I mean, do people connect attach them? 621 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 4: Is that true? I've not had that experience me personally. 622 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: I do a lot of protection work. I do a 623 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: lot of energetic protection. I've never had somebody tellment they 624 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 4: were stuck. I've never had somebody tell me that they 625 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 4: didn't crossover. I've dealt with a lot of tragedies, and 626 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: you know, I think that there's a process when people 627 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 4: evolve through the physical world to the AfterAll, I can't 628 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: really speak to that because I wasn't that wasn't there 629 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: to feel that with what that is. It's like almost 630 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: like assessing another case that I can't really kind of 631 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: speak to you. Sometimes the interpretation that people have, Like 632 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: for example, I've was brought into a house that was 633 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: allegedly haunted, right, and there was real activity. I believe 634 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: the activity was happening. And I said to the home owner, 635 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: I said, is there like a young girl going through 636 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 4: puberty in this house? And she said, yeah, you're feeling that. 637 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 4: And I was like, no, that's what's happening in your house, 638 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: and she's like, excuse me. I go, It's just it's 639 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: a known thing that when a young girl's going through 640 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: puberty that the electromagnetic energy and field around them presents 641 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 4: as if like their space is haunted because it affects 642 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: like electromagnetic frequencies like flighting and things and all that 643 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 4: kind of stuff happens. So Wow, I don't. 644 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: Know your daughter's twelve. So here we go. 645 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: Get ready, Kate. Did they just tell you that you 646 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 4: may have to change like the nail polish on your 647 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: toes or something, or was there some conversation that you 648 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: just had. No, what was the conversation about your feet? 649 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: I haven't had a conversation about my feet. 650 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: He did not today. No, I'm supposed to tell you 651 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: talk about the conversation about your either your toes. Now, 652 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 4: this is my interpretation, So I don't want to take 653 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 4: you to Philadelphia. But it seems like I'm supposed to validate, 654 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: like what's happening around you. So I don't know if 655 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: you guys were talking about like you're going to be 656 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 4: doing something and they're going to show your feet and 657 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 4: you have to make sure your feet are looking a 658 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 4: certain way, or. 659 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 5: Oh my god, well I can tell you that she 660 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 5: has the feet of my mother. 661 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 4: You got grandma's feet, Kate, Like it just happens like 662 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: this is recent. 663 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: I mean, we weren't talking about my feet. I don't 664 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 3: think we were talking about my feet. 665 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 4: Who were you talking about? Not today? Are your feet 666 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 4: going to be exposed or seen? 667 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: Wait? 668 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 4: Are we going to find out your own wiki feet 669 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 4: or exactly, I. 670 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: Do only fans. I'm going to do fans puppet. Yes, 671 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: we have discussed in this makeup trailer that I'm going 672 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: to do an only fans with feet puppets, and and 673 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: then I was going to create like little characters out 674 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 3: of my feet. This is real, and that I was 675 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: going to create like scenarios like oh like like my 676 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: feet would have like leader hosen and be in the Alps. 677 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 3: My feet would be like on the like kayaking on 678 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: the beach and like a little thing of water, like 679 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: we would do these little cheet characters. 680 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 5: Well that's that's. 681 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to say. Yeah, very lucrative. 682 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: Well this has been amazing. Man, We've held you pretty 683 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: long here. One more question. How excited are you about 684 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's engagement. I mean, isn't it fantastic. 685 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 4: I'm so overwhelming. I can't even control my mind. I 686 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 4: know me too, it's just I'm going to contain it. 687 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: It's just big time stuff. Well, thank you so much, man, 688 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 4: really really fun. I could talk to you for hours and. 689 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: You for having me. It was really really great. 690 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 5: I'm reading the book. 691 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: The book is called Chasing Evil, Shocking Crime supernatural forces 692 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: and an FBI agent's search for hope and justice. Is 693 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: available orherever books are sold, Go get it. It's incredible. 694 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: It's a great read, edge of the seat stuff. Thank you, John, 695 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: thank you, appreciate you. Thanks Mama, thank you.