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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Good, it's Wednesday. It is Wednesday, August nineteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode number fifteen. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: edition of The Break we are. I am actually live
Speaker 1: from my home. This is the virtual s WBC Morrigan Studios,
Speaker 1: joined by Nick Eatman, Amburg Garcia, Dave Helman. They're all
Speaker 1: in their homes as well. And I'm sorry Nick, you're
Speaker 1: at the office. Actually on a day when the players
Speaker 1: are not at the office. Nick still is at the office.
Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about his work ethic. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Nick. We're gonna talk some Cowboys football for
Speaker 1: you guys to day, and we appreciate you guys taking
Speaker 1: some time out of your day to join us for that.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna start with I think what has been
Speaker 1: probably the biggest news coming out of Cowboys camp since
Speaker 1: camp begin. Joe McCoy had a very very busy last
Speaker 1: few days. On Monday he tore us quad or the
Speaker 1: ligament tous quad in practice on Monday. Then on Tuesday
Speaker 1: he had surgery, and then Tuesday afternoons he's waved injured. Nick,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. You broke the story for us.
Speaker 1: Tell me why he was waved, because I know a
Speaker 1: lot of fans were sitting there looking at that and thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this pretty that seems pretty pretty mean. I
Speaker 1: guess it for lack of a better way to put it,
Speaker 1: But why was he waved? Well, I think he had
Speaker 1: to go back all the way to win. He was signed.
Speaker 1: When he was signed, they put a waiver into his
Speaker 1: under the contract to say that if something happens with
Speaker 1: the right quad, we can get out of this contract.
Speaker 1: And first paded practice something really severe happens with the
Speaker 1: right quad. So something is weird there. I don't ever
Speaker 1: remember seeing an injury waiver on a specific body part
Speaker 1: like that. I guess, you know, coming back from the
Speaker 1: injuries or whatever. But we didn't think that this was
Speaker 1: going to be something that you would they would be
Speaker 1: watching and then the you know, ten minutes after the
Speaker 1: first pads come on, that happens, So they exercised their
Speaker 1: right to do that. They put it in there for
Speaker 1: a reason. It saves them about three and a half
Speaker 1: million to four million over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: So if you if you know you have a chance
Speaker 1: to save some money, and then it happens that way,
Speaker 1: you're going to save it. So that that's I think
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, it's interesting if that would be in
Speaker 1: the contract with specific language even about it. That makes
Speaker 1: you makes you think, or at least makes me think
Speaker 1: that there was some concern from the standpoint of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I guess an acknowledgement on the part of the
Speaker 1: representatives of Gerald mccoyd that this was something that maybe
Speaker 1: could happen. I don't know if it was a previous
Speaker 1: injury or just something that they noticed in a physical
Speaker 1: but but obviously something there for them to put that
Speaker 1: in the contract. Dave and Amber talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about about kind of how the Cowboys move from here.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you. Dave, talk to me about the replacement.
Speaker 1: What could the Cowboys do at this point to replace
Speaker 1: production that they thought they were going to be getting
Speaker 1: a guy who is a proven veteran in that position,
Speaker 1: a three technique and even defensive end. When they moved
Speaker 1: two or three four, talk to me about how they
Speaker 1: can to maybe replace him. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny to me that, Like, I mean, it's a fair question.
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking you, but like that's the talking point.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, whatever will they do? As
Speaker 1: if they didn't spend the last two drafts addressing the position,
Speaker 1: and that just goes to show how much people don't
Speaker 1: trust what they've done. Tristan Hill's the top sixty draft pick,
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore's the top one hundred draft pick. Ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of time. You look at that and say, all right,
Speaker 1: they're covered pretty well. But nobody has forgotten how disappointing
Speaker 1: Tristan's rookie season was, nor should they. So I don't
Speaker 1: blame people if they don't feel great about it. But
Speaker 1: you have two highly talented young players that can step
Speaker 1: into that. And when you had Gerald, it was a luxury.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, well, whatever they can give us
Speaker 1: is great, and that luxury is now gone. One of
Speaker 1: those guys has to step up. So I look at
Speaker 1: you know, the next two or so a week, says,
Speaker 1: a big time audition for both of those guys, and
Speaker 1: if they're not up to it, maybe you try to
Speaker 1: go hunt around for a veteran. But I think for
Speaker 1: the time being, you just throw those guys in the
Speaker 1: fire and see what they can do. You know, I
Speaker 1: would agree with you, Dave on the point of of
Speaker 1: you would normally think a second and third round pick
Speaker 1: would be natural fits there, that you would just lean
Speaker 1: on them. But it wasn't like they signed Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: to a one year deal. I'm sorry, I say no,
Speaker 1: I can get that you're right, but that also goes
Speaker 1: on a point like they didn't go out and signed
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy to a to a one year deal. They
Speaker 1: signed him to a three year deal, which suggests to
Speaker 1: me that they wanted him here for the next several years,
Speaker 1: and they wanted those guys in a rotation. They thought
Speaker 1: there was a role for Gerald Gerald McCoy in addition
Speaker 1: to what those other guys could possibly bring. And so
Speaker 1: that's where I wonder, you know, do they or should
Speaker 1: they consider maybe going out and looking for a veteran
Speaker 1: replacement or just stick with what they have because there
Speaker 1: isn't really much out there right now. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, yeah, and in terms of a pass rushing
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, they're in a lot there for you. I know,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of people are
Speaker 1: going to bring up Snacks Harrison and I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea, but Snacks's whole,
Speaker 1: Like Snacks is Don Taripoe. They are the same type
Speaker 1: of player. They are the gigantic run stuffing, space eating
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Rushing the passer isn't really their bag. I
Speaker 1: think Snacks would make this team better, but it's also
Speaker 1: that gives you three, you know, one technique early down
Speaker 1: run stopping, non pass rushing tackles to go with Poe
Speaker 1: and Antoine Woods. And if you can only keep nine
Speaker 1: or ten, at what point does that become superfluous? Because
Speaker 1: in terms of guys that can rush the passer, you
Speaker 1: have Gallimore or Tristan Hill. We know Tyrone Crawford can
Speaker 1: do a little bit of it. I think Alden Smith
Speaker 1: and Everson Griffin can both kick inside and a pinch.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't seem necessary right now. After one injury,
Speaker 1: I mean, injuries happen all the time, So like I said,
Speaker 1: I think your best bet right now, until they prove
Speaker 1: they're not capable of doing it, is to hope that
Speaker 1: the young guys can step up. The problem with that, David,
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you get a chance to actually
Speaker 1: really truly prove that without preseason games? And that's my thing,
Speaker 1: like if I think they should be looking around right
Speaker 1: now and see who else they can possibly bring in
Speaker 1: here just to add extra help. And you know, you
Speaker 1: tend to forget about the possibility of injuries at least
Speaker 1: I know I do, until it actually happens and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh crap, this happens. Let me look further deep down
Speaker 1: into the position. And you know, we know that Dntari
Speaker 1: Poe he's coming back, But now that's in the back
Speaker 1: of my head at least you know, oh, he's coming
Speaker 1: off an injury. Is he gonna be able to hold up?
Speaker 1: What are these younger guys gonna be able to do?
Speaker 1: Can they show enough during this time without preseason sorry,
Speaker 1: without preseason games. So that's the biggest thing right now
Speaker 1: for me. It's just I'm being so extra critical at
Speaker 1: this moment just because I know we don't get the
Speaker 1: chance to see preseason games. Okay, so let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's go across the board. I want to eat you
Speaker 1: guys to tell me how big of a loss do
Speaker 1: you think this is for this Cowboys can team as
Speaker 1: it's currently constructed. Nicho, Let's start with you. I think
Speaker 1: it's a big loss actually because I think he was
Speaker 1: supposed to come in and really help be a locker
Speaker 1: room guy as well. So you know, like you guys
Speaker 1: are saying the backups, you know, they didn't know what
Speaker 1: they really wanted Antoine Woods, I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of took a while to get him to, I mean,
Speaker 1: come back in. I guess he wanted a long term deal.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I think it's a big loss because I
Speaker 1: just think that there's so much uncertainty there. There's uncertainty
Speaker 1: with Poe Crawford's not really a natural tackle, so until
Speaker 1: they get somebody else in here, I think it is
Speaker 1: a great, pretty big loss. Hamber Well, I just I
Speaker 1: just said it's huge. I think that the Cowboys already need,
Speaker 1: especially this year because of the circumstances, they already need
Speaker 1: of someone who's a veteran guy who has the experience.
Speaker 1: Who do you you don't need to feel some concern
Speaker 1: about whether or not you can plug the guy in
Speaker 1: and have that guy be able to perform at the
Speaker 1: level that you want them too. So I think that
Speaker 1: the veteran need right now is very high, and they
Speaker 1: just lost that Dave. It's it is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I'm not going to try to say
Speaker 1: it's not a big loss. I agree with Nick. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think what McCoy would have brought to the table
Speaker 1: from a locker room culture standpoint, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can underestimate that, especially with two young guys like Gallamore
Speaker 1: and Hill. Fortunately, McCoy said on Instagram last night that
Speaker 1: he's not playing on going anywhere. I mean, he can't
Speaker 1: go come in the building because he's not on the
Speaker 1: team anymore and because of COVID. But he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna stay mentoring these guys, stay in touch. So that's nice. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, one defensive tackle is not going to be
Speaker 1: the difference between whether or not this team is successful.
Speaker 1: This team's success is almost entirely predicated on how good
Speaker 1: its offense is. And I absolutely wish Jerald McCoy was
Speaker 1: on the team. But I'm not changing my preseason projections
Speaker 1: for them based on that. But we talked about this
Speaker 1: last week too, that you know, adding ever seen Griffin.
Speaker 1: I mean that with d Law that's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot different than what they had last year with Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1: Maybe Griffin is better, but you know, they're about the same.
Speaker 1: What I thought was going to be different was to
Speaker 1: push from the inside, and dant Folk still bring that.
Speaker 1: But you know, you were hoping it would be McCoy
Speaker 1: and and Poe and you know, maybe Crawford gets in there,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's but then again, it's a
Speaker 1: completely different defense. We're seeing that in practice right now.
Speaker 1: You can tell that it's not going to be the
Speaker 1: same defense. They're asking these guys to do different things
Speaker 1: than what they did last year. Well, Nick, I will
Speaker 1: say this, I do think Alden Smith. I do think
Speaker 1: Alden Smith adds a little bit more to that because,
Speaker 1: as Day said a little earlier, I think he can
Speaker 1: pop down. I think Griffin can pop down. So when
Speaker 1: you start talking about pass rush situations third down, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have all three of those guys, all three
Speaker 1: of those pass rushers on the field, maybe Tyrone, Tyrone,
Speaker 1: Crawford as the fourth and so I still think you'll
Speaker 1: get that kind of push up the middle because you
Speaker 1: got some guys that are really dynamic type players, you
Speaker 1: hope at least that you can have down their defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of that though. I'm not and
Speaker 1: I could just still see the touchdown Tyler Luckett scored
Speaker 1: against Seattle. I'm just not a fan of putting d
Speaker 1: Law inside or Alden Smith inside. It's just like asking
Speaker 1: a running back to play receiver. You're not doing what
Speaker 1: they do best. And so by putting him down, just
Speaker 1: because they can rush their passer off the edge doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they can go in there and beat the Zach
Speaker 1: Martin's of the world in the middle. So he's some
Speaker 1: rare I mean, not everybody's J. J. Watt and JPP
Speaker 1: that could go and do all that. So I'm just
Speaker 1: not a big fan of putting outside rushers and the
Speaker 1: inside like that. I mean, I never saw a d
Speaker 1: Ware do that. But yeah, I just say I would
Speaker 1: say that all three of those guys, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: are at least what you would call premier pass rushers
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Maybe they aren't as good at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I do think that their speed, and in particular Alton Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's huge. I think he's about two
Speaker 1: eighty five or two eighty something like that. He's a
Speaker 1: really big guy to be playing defensive end. So I
Speaker 1: think sliding him into defensive tackle, I think you get
Speaker 1: the speed of what he could do on the outside
Speaker 1: that can be disruptive there. But I think he also
Speaker 1: has that power in that big body that can also
Speaker 1: manage to be playing a defensive tackle. He's gonna get
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. He's he's already a finalist
Speaker 1: for Comeback Player of the Year, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna win it. We'll see what happens, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a finalist right now. He's a problem.
Speaker 1: Tymon Smith will tell you if you if you ever
Speaker 1: talk to the media, he'll tell you, which, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: kind of goes to my point. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to convince anybody that it's not a big deal
Speaker 1: that Gerald McCoy is out. But they got they got bodies,
Speaker 1: and they have two supposedly very talented young guys. If
Speaker 1: they can just get something from one of them, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be both. Just get something from
Speaker 1: one of those guys and it'll it'll be okay. It
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be you know, it's not gonna be the
Speaker 1: best defensive line in the league, but it'll be. It'll
Speaker 1: be okay. We'll save actually that conversation for it looks
Speaker 1: like rams some issues with with Derek. Just real quick,
Speaker 1: let's have my background. Now he's back, they come back.
Speaker 1: Now I think I'm back up. Um, I don't know why. No, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what I was going to ask you guys
Speaker 1: was Um, we've heard we've heard some of the questions
Speaker 1: that are happened from coach Um as well as some
Speaker 1: of the players about the fact that that they think
Speaker 1: that there's going to be uh, some that they may
Speaker 1: kind of switch between four three three four, they may
Speaker 1: do a little bit of both. Uh. There really hasn't
Speaker 1: been a commitment to one or the other. So that
Speaker 1: being said, talk to me about where you think this
Speaker 1: loss may be a potential bigger loss with Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: now being waived. Um, when you talk about those other
Speaker 1: two guys and the other guys that are left on
Speaker 1: the defensive line, do you think this can affect the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and maybe push them in one direction or the
Speaker 1: other four three verses three four. But sorry with you
Speaker 1: Amber this, why are we still talking about this? I
Speaker 1: get so upset at this subject. I mean, honestly, these
Speaker 1: guys and you guys sound so comfortable. I guess even
Speaker 1: the way that Dave was speaking of how he feels
Speaker 1: with what they got right now and the possibility of
Speaker 1: these other guys being able to step up. But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm done trying
Speaker 1: to convince myself at the beginning of the year. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you need to show it to me, you
Speaker 1: need to make it happen. I don't care what they do,
Speaker 1: whether it's a three four four three. They're gonna figure
Speaker 1: out what the guys that they currently have and see
Speaker 1: what they can actually do and make it work. I
Speaker 1: think that the size matters alive. For Sorry, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: getting carried away with other things. I'm sorry. I apologize
Speaker 1: for the unprofessionalism. Size matters a lot when he comes
Speaker 1: down to picking out this position and what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do there. But don't ask me about three four or
Speaker 1: four three. Don't care, all right? I respect that I
Speaker 1: want to you know, you know, Mike McCarthy, if you're
Speaker 1: watching this, don't don't get mad at me. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to give your game away, but I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to point something out I guess, which is
Speaker 1: that what we've seen to this point mainly is Alden
Speaker 1: Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence rushing the passer from a two
Speaker 1: point stance, not necessarily a three to four because it's
Speaker 1: a four man front still like there's still there's a
Speaker 1: one technique and a three technique in there. Usually when
Speaker 1: it's happening, it's not this you know, massive crazy change
Speaker 1: to a three four front with a true nose tackle
Speaker 1: a zero technique for that matter. Dan Tari Poe, the
Speaker 1: guy who fits that role the best, has not practiced yet.
Speaker 1: So obviously they have the personnel to do that. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to give people the wrong idea that
Speaker 1: they're running all these different fronts. It's a four man front.
Speaker 1: They're just rushing there there ends from a two point stance.
Speaker 1: So we you know, it's been different, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't been this crazy, crazy departure um so,
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to continue to be the case.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a different presentation of
Speaker 1: what we're already used to. For the most part, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, disagree though, Dave, because I think it's not
Speaker 1: just a four man front. I mean it's really a
Speaker 1: five man front when you think of the defensive line,
Speaker 1: because I still think of Alden Smith as a defensive
Speaker 1: lineman and Griffin and d Law and those guys as
Speaker 1: d lyneen. So when they're both out there standing up,
Speaker 1: I think that's I mean, I don't really call that
Speaker 1: a four man front, you know, because well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's from what we've seen. We saw a dose
Speaker 1: tackle which will probably be Poe, but we hadn't seeing
Speaker 1: that yet. But it was McCoy and it was it
Speaker 1: was Crawford and in d Law and all the spen
Speaker 1: A's five because you're only seeing two linebackers. But I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like they're just playing one thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we what Dave saw, he saw, I saw some other things.
Speaker 1: There's Nickel, there's time. That's why that's why they don't
Speaker 1: want us talking about all this stuff. That's why none
Speaker 1: coach wants that, because they're just trying out different things. Yes,
Speaker 1: there'll be four man fronts. There'll be three four looks,
Speaker 1: there'll be four three votes, they'll be five two looks,
Speaker 1: they'll be all of that. That's what Mike Nolan's known for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would suspect I would suspect that they're going
Speaker 1: to be times when And this is just kind of
Speaker 1: the whole idea of using a three four versus four
Speaker 1: three defense. You can flip to a two four five
Speaker 1: where you're in nickel where you only have two down
Speaker 1: linemen and you have four linebackers, and you're considering those
Speaker 1: two outside guys linebackers at that point, right, But I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, David's still it would still be
Speaker 1: in those kind of scenarios a four man front. Look,
Speaker 1: the point is I'm wondering, is Gerald McCoy being gone,
Speaker 1: how does that affect their ability to be able to
Speaker 1: have a three man front versus a four man front,
Speaker 1: because obviously you're talking about defensive tackles. Their roles changed
Speaker 1: quite a bit when you talk about four three verses
Speaker 1: three four, And that's where I'm a little more trying
Speaker 1: to get to a you know what you guys think
Speaker 1: about this, Ken Tristan Hill or Gallimore stant can they
Speaker 1: play let's say, defensive end in a three to four
Speaker 1: as well as play a three technique in a four three.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm trying to figure out where they where.
Speaker 1: You think there's a bigger loss of Gerald McCoy. You know,
Speaker 1: it makes me kind of wonder with this scheme. It
Speaker 1: makes me wonder why they didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: interest in bringing back Malie Collins. I think he would
Speaker 1: have been a good fit for this. But you know,
Speaker 1: they know more than me, obviously, But I just I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure how the McCoy injuries going to affect everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know who they've got to replace that spot.
Speaker 1: I think Tyrone Crawford, though, can somewhat do it, especially
Speaker 1: if it's kind of a I've always thought Crawford could
Speaker 1: play free four defensive end so well, that's why he
Speaker 1: was broad here a million billion years ago. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Tyrone can do it. Honestly, I think Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods could probably do it. He's not not ideal by
Speaker 1: any I mean, Antoine Woods is not ideal to play
Speaker 1: on the defensive line in the NFL, but he makes
Speaker 1: it work. Um. I think they could both do it.
Speaker 1: I think I mean, well, Hill and Gallimore, they got
Speaker 1: to have a quick first step. I think they could
Speaker 1: be able to do that. They're always talking about the
Speaker 1: flexibility of a lot of these guys out of that
Speaker 1: whole group, in the whole line. Who would be a
Speaker 1: guy that you guys think that they absolutely need to
Speaker 1: stick to one specific role and don't have that kind
Speaker 1: of flexibility to be moved around. Oh yeah, he's honestly though,
Speaker 1: he could probably play three four in Indo if they
Speaker 1: needed him to. I'll be you'd prefer he played, but
Speaker 1: he probably could. He has played quarterback. So as long
Speaker 1: as adown fast, as long as DeMarcus and Alden Smith
Speaker 1: are able to rush off the edge, just do whatever
Speaker 1: else you gotta do to make it work. That's, you
Speaker 1: know the other. The other thing I'm really wondering that
Speaker 1: on that point, Dave is like, once you get um
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin in the mix, I wonder how they look
Speaker 1: at that. Do they look at this and say, you
Speaker 1: know how we talked. We had this conversation a lot
Speaker 1: about offensive lineman. Where you want your best five players
Speaker 1: out there, even if two of those players could probably
Speaker 1: play the same position, you kind of fit that one
Speaker 1: into another position because he's just one of your best five.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they look at this and they say,
Speaker 1: you know, Everson Griffin, Alden Smith, and DeMarcus Lawrence are
Speaker 1: three of our top four defensive linemen. How can we
Speaker 1: get all four of them on the field at the
Speaker 1: same time as much as possible? And I wonder if
Speaker 1: that means that one of those three ends up now
Speaker 1: switching predominantly to another position in order to keep those
Speaker 1: guys on the field more frequently. Not saying it will happen,
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. It kind of goes to my point.
Speaker 1: And I mean, Griffin hasn't practiced yet. He just cleared protocol.
Speaker 1: He just he's barely done anything. He's not practicing. But
Speaker 1: you got Griffin, Poe, Tank, Alden Smith, Tyrone Crawford, and
Speaker 1: then two you know, highly drafted rookies, one of which
Speaker 1: you would think can contribute, like they got bodies and
Speaker 1: talented bodies at that. So it definitely sucks that McCoy
Speaker 1: is not out there. But I just I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: talk myself into thinking it's gonna sink their season that
Speaker 1: he can't play. All Right, We're gonna go and take
Speaker 1: our first break, we come back, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some camp observations. These guys are gonna tell you a
Speaker 1: little bit about some of the stuff that they've been noticing.
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Speaker 1: We're in the second segment of the Break. I'm live
Speaker 1: from the virtual s WBC Mortage studio here in my home.
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Nick eat mcdave, Hellman, and Amber Garcia.
Speaker 1: They are all from their homes except for Nick who
Speaker 1: was at the Star. Cowboys are off today. They are
Speaker 1: not practicing. The players have a day off. They'll be
Speaker 1: back on the field tomorrow, so we'll have some more
Speaker 1: coverage from practice tomorrow and again on Friday before they
Speaker 1: have another ALF day on Saturday. I think Wedndsays, and
Speaker 1: Saturdays are going to be their off days here throughout
Speaker 1: these a couple of weeks of training camp. Let's get
Speaker 1: into some camp observations. Each of us have had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to watch a few practices, get some idea of
Speaker 1: what we think of players, position groups. I want to
Speaker 1: start first with the defense because I think, at least
Speaker 1: from my perspective and from what I've seen everyone in
Speaker 1: the media talking about, including I think you guys as well,
Speaker 1: everybody's been really impressed with this defense so far. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's because of maybe lower expectations, or maybe it's because
Speaker 1: they really have just been performing very well. But I
Speaker 1: want each of you to kind of we're gonna go around.
Speaker 1: I want each of you to give me a player
Speaker 1: or a position group that's really stood out to you
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball through the first
Speaker 1: few practices. We're gonna start first with you, Dave. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I know we do this every year. I
Speaker 1: can hear people complaining about it because nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hear how great they look and then watch him suck.
Speaker 1: But they look pretty good. I mean, we spent the
Speaker 1: whole first segment on how active the pass rush has been.
Speaker 1: They've got I think they have seven takeaways through four practices,
Speaker 1: and I mean that's across a variety of different drills.
Speaker 1: You know, that's seven on seven, that's team, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: So it's not all eleven on eleven. But they have
Speaker 1: six total interceptions through four practices and Anthony Brown force
Speaker 1: to fumble, So that's been the emphasis, and through four
Speaker 1: practices they're doing it. So that's fun. Amber. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just stick to the guy I chose yesterday
Speaker 1: for Camp Stars. That the guy the guys do on
Speaker 1: the website on Dallas Camma dot com. But my guy
Speaker 1: would be Francis Bernard. He's a guy that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: never really catch my eye just because he doesn't really
Speaker 1: have that that linebacker mold that these other linebackers have.
Speaker 1: For example, Luke Giffer, he fits that linebacker mole. But
Speaker 1: this guy, he's smaller, he's not as big at the
Speaker 1: rest as the rest of the guys, but he has
Speaker 1: been able to to do some things on the field.
Speaker 1: He's quick, he's very, very aware of everything that is
Speaker 1: going on. And another thing that that really impressed me,
Speaker 1: which is off the field, when he's on the sideline,
Speaker 1: I see him constantly just talking to Sean Lee. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's learning something from Shan Lee and asking questions
Speaker 1: and and just being you know, not off to the
Speaker 1: side just watching. He's being interactive and trying to learn
Speaker 1: as much as he can. And and he's Clama eyes
Speaker 1: this first few practice. This Nick, I think we can't
Speaker 1: let her just say that's my guy, because you know
Speaker 1: that I've been smil you mentioned his name. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: it's okay, It's okay. He you know, he catches your
Speaker 1: eye with the hair. But then also, no, he's making plays.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say defensive line with an asterisk, because guys,
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles have been have been bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: like Tyren Smith doesn't even play that much we haven't
Speaker 1: seen Irving, we haven't seen Lyle Collins, and so it's
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate anything when it's just like a you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're just blitz creaked to the quarterback every single time.
Speaker 1: It's just it's tough to evaluate everybody on offense. So
Speaker 1: defensive line look is looking really good, but I want
Speaker 1: to see what they're look like with a little bit
Speaker 1: more uh competition at the offensive tackles. All right, let's
Speaker 1: flip over to the offensive side of the ball. Let's
Speaker 1: do the exact same thing. I think the offense is
Speaker 1: flashed at moments. I think there have been some good moments,
Speaker 1: some good practices. But tell me a player or a
Speaker 1: position group that stood out to you the most. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start this time first with Amber. Amber. Give me
Speaker 1: somebody on the offensive side. You know what, I've been
Speaker 1: trying to keep my eye on Blake Jarwin. And he's
Speaker 1: a guy that he's not super consistent. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: make every play, but I've been paying attention to him
Speaker 1: even when the ball is not going towards him, when
Speaker 1: it's not going his way, he's still being able to
Speaker 1: get open, make that push that is needed and get
Speaker 1: away from from the defender defender, and he's I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think that he if he gets more opportunities, he
Speaker 1: would be really really good this year. Nick. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at those backup receivers. I know that when
Speaker 1: you're talking about the first three guys, I mean, we
Speaker 1: know where they're going to be. Even then, there seems
Speaker 1: to be a pretty good push there for that fourth
Speaker 1: and fifth spot, maybe a sixth spot. And you know
Speaker 1: a Ventel Brian Oh I kind of put as a
Speaker 1: special team's ace. He's actually making and plays there. Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson's doing a nice drum. Um, you know, he over
Speaker 1: the middle of doing something and then not forget his name,
Speaker 1: but seventeen Dave helped me here. Um, oh, Tevin Jones,
Speaker 1: he's making Tevin Jones. I mean he's a that guy
Speaker 1: looks the part, really big guy, can move well. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm even leaving out a guy John Vay Johnson. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's a you know, he's always gonna look good in camp. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, I haven't seen it. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: apparently I haven't seen nor Brown making any plays. Is
Speaker 1: he making plays? He's making plays. He's good looks he's
Speaker 1: moving around a lazy He's gonna be on the Giants
Speaker 1: practice squid. Ye'all don't have to believe it if you
Speaker 1: don't want to. But he's he's I mean, the one
Speaker 1: thing we got to remember here is Noah Brown was
Speaker 1: a pet cat of that previous coaching staff. We don't
Speaker 1: know that he's walking into the door this year with
Speaker 1: that same kind of love coming from no Nick's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't make this team, he'll be in East
Speaker 1: rather On like the absolute next flight. No doubt about it,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. All right, let's let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the offensive side. Nick, you alluded
Speaker 1: to you don't even want to talk to me. You
Speaker 1: don't want to. I'm sorry, Dave. I thought i'd already
Speaker 1: gone to you. Dave, give me your give you offensive
Speaker 1: guy or position. I mean, I know, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: this opportunity to be a downer. I mean, we could go,
Speaker 1: we could talk. Oh, I mean, you know, the receivers
Speaker 1: are great. If you follow our coverage at all, you
Speaker 1: know that Zeke and Pollard or doing a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in the running and the passing game. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: it makes me nervous what's going on with the right
Speaker 1: tackle spot. To be honest with you, I mean Nick
Speaker 1: already laid it out perfectly. But you know, if Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins and Cameron Irving weren't hurt so bad that they
Speaker 1: opened the camp on pup, which if it was really bad,
Speaker 1: you assume that they would. But they haven't practiced yet.
Speaker 1: We have, I mean, we haven't seen them do anything
Speaker 1: competitive and nobody wants to talk about why. And and
Speaker 1: maybe it's not serious, but it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: evaluate what the offense is doing when Dak is theoretically
Speaker 1: getting killed every other time he drops back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's training camp, so you can't hit him. But DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence probably has eight sacks through two padded practices. Um.
Speaker 1: I would really like to see one of these experienced
Speaker 1: right tackles get back into practice, hopefully sooner rather than later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the point ahead Amber, I was gonna ask, what's the
Speaker 1: point of being so secretive about whether it's an injury
Speaker 1: or illness. I don't understand why they're being so secretive
Speaker 1: about it, because you can, that's I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: my best name, because you can, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily you know, it's frustrating for us in the media,
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily blame Mike McCarthy. He said it himself.
Speaker 1: It's like it's one of the few advantages that he
Speaker 1: has is, you know, it's a first year staff, so
Speaker 1: nobody one hundred percent knows what to expect, and they
Speaker 1: don't have to play on TV, so he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to expose his roster if he doesn't want to. So
Speaker 1: it's annoying, but if he wants to be a super secretive,
Speaker 1: he can do that in these circumstances. And think about it,
Speaker 1: you could take it even a step further with that.
Speaker 1: Usually a new head coach, a new coaching staff would
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to be able to have a few
Speaker 1: extra training practices during the offseason. They didn't get that
Speaker 1: this year, so whatever advantages were actually built into the
Speaker 1: NFL system for new coaches, they lost that as well.
Speaker 1: So really this is kind of the the only advantage
Speaker 1: they have right now is that nobody knows what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are really going to be able to do because
Speaker 1: there will be no preseason games, so literally they will
Speaker 1: walk on the field for the first time against the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, and that will be the first time
Speaker 1: anybody in the NFL will get an idea of what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will be trying to do offensively and defensively.
Speaker 1: So that's an advantage and they want to try to
Speaker 1: take advantage that as much. And I really can't blame
Speaker 1: him for that. And this about the injury, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is something like Dave said, this is something you
Speaker 1: can do right now, so they're doing it. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry too much about this is going to be
Speaker 1: the way it is all year because the NFL won't
Speaker 1: allow that. So once we get to get to the
Speaker 1: regular season when the injury report, official end report has
Speaker 1: to come out. Now there's ways around, you know, revealing everything,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a certain team up Northeast that
Speaker 1: does it better than anybody. But I do think that
Speaker 1: they'll you'll have to put the specific injury out there,
Speaker 1: So I'm not too worried about it. If training camp
Speaker 1: it's kind of vague, but I think it'll get better
Speaker 1: as the season goes on. Did I will say go ahead, Dave,
Speaker 1: but I just you know, I will say this is
Speaker 1: it's amateur and it's not. It ain't scientific. Put it
Speaker 1: that way, But I mean, Lyle Collins has been at
Speaker 1: practice every day. He's been in uniform. You know, he
Speaker 1: was doing strength and conditioning rehab with Britt Brown before practice,
Speaker 1: not yesterday, but the few days before that. Um wearing
Speaker 1: his helmet, taking part in stuff. Body language is good.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't look from a distance like it's this
Speaker 1: super scary long term injury. But again, I mean that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily evidence. It's just kind of my hunch from
Speaker 1: watching practice. The Cowboys did sound an offensive tackle and
Speaker 1: Pace Murphy. Did you guys read anything into that that
Speaker 1: maybe this is a longer term for one or both
Speaker 1: of these guys that are currently here. I just think
Speaker 1: it means that the guys they have are not doing
Speaker 1: a good job. I mean, I think Terence Steele and
Speaker 1: Wyatt Miller, god, you know, God bless him. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to hate, but they must they must be having
Speaker 1: nightmares when they go back to their hotel rooms at
Speaker 1: night because they're having to deal with guys like Aldon
Speaker 1: Smith and Tank Lawrence. And that's that's not easy for
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins, let alone somebody who just got here who's
Speaker 1: fifth on the depth chart. So I think they're just
Speaker 1: trying to throw bodies at it and get through practice.
Speaker 1: Didn't we get Isaac in there? Can Isaac start making
Speaker 1: some place? I can't even pronounce his last name. I
Speaker 1: let go, let go, no, you know, and people have
Speaker 1: been asking me about him. There's still a lot of
Speaker 1: growth needed to happen there. He I mean, we know
Speaker 1: the transition from when you're not in the NFL getting
Speaker 1: to the NFL and that first year, how tough it is.
Speaker 1: But this guy that they sign, I looked him up
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, no, NFL experience. Okay. I stopped reading.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I need someone that has experienced doing
Speaker 1: something so I can feel better in case something does
Speaker 1: happen to like all Collins. We've seen it in the past.
Speaker 1: Anytime there's an injury in the offensive line, it's costing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna cost you a big price. So
Speaker 1: they need someone that can really help you and feel
Speaker 1: that you can What is that called the band aid guy?
Speaker 1: A band aid and not a band aid. We need
Speaker 1: an actual goss that can be wrapped around all the way,
Speaker 1: not a bandaid that can start peeling off with sweat
Speaker 1: during the game. We need something that will wrap all
Speaker 1: the way around and the work for you in case
Speaker 1: of needed. They have that guy, his name is Cam Irving.
Speaker 1: He's hurt too, so well exactly that's the point. Well,
Speaker 1: a gee something, you're like, you know, I just need
Speaker 1: I need a Pro Bowl fourth string tackle, and that's
Speaker 1: just that's not how it works, my guy, That's not
Speaker 1: how it works. Well, hopefully those two guys, or at
Speaker 1: least one of those guys can get back to practice
Speaker 1: really soon to at least give those defensive ends a
Speaker 1: good look in practice, and we'll see how that thing transpires.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and take our final break a
Speaker 1: little early here. When we come back. We got some
Speaker 1: questions lined up. Amber went on to Twitter and got
Speaker 1: some questions from you guys, So we'll go through some
Speaker 1: of those questions, give you guys some answers. We'll do
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Break. We are live. I am
Speaker 1: at the Virgil s WBC Star Studios at my home,
Speaker 1: and I've got Nick Eatman at the Star. We've got
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia at her home, Dave Helmett at his home,
Speaker 1: and let's time for a few questions we Twitter. Amber
Speaker 1: went to Twitter last night, got some questions from you guys.
Speaker 1: Look like there were a lot of them flowing in,
Speaker 1: so let's see how many we can get to Amber.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you so much to everyone
Speaker 1: who's sent into questions. To start off, Hell, here's the
Speaker 1: first question. Who else is getting reps as a punt
Speaker 1: returner beside cde Lamb, Cedric Wilson. That's your your primary
Speaker 1: suspect so far? Okay, how do you go about? How
Speaker 1: do you but but it just it just it makes
Speaker 1: sense because Cedric did it last year. You know, I
Speaker 1: was the guy I said all offseason that I wanted
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard to get a shot at it. But you
Speaker 1: have CD Lamb now, so I don't care as much
Speaker 1: about that as I used to. Um, we know Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis has done it in the past, but really for
Speaker 1: the most part, it's been Cedric and CD doing the
Speaker 1: majority of it. If CD turns out to be your
Speaker 1: primary return or how do you guys feel about that
Speaker 1: after seeing what he's already been able to do so
Speaker 1: far at receiver, Because I think we all watch him
Speaker 1: at receiver and are very very impressed with what he's
Speaker 1: able to do there. How how concerned are you and
Speaker 1: putting him in a in a return role if if
Speaker 1: you think they're going to use him as much as
Speaker 1: we think they will at a wide receiver, I'm not
Speaker 1: concerned at all. I mean, I just think that you
Speaker 1: got to get the ball in his hands. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to share it on offense with all the
Speaker 1: guys that they've got Zeke running the ball, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not. You gotta figure out ways to get dynamic
Speaker 1: players in there. So, um, that doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1: If your third receiver is returning punts, that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm always the guy that you know I don't want
Speaker 1: good players to play in the preseason, but that's because
Speaker 1: the preseasons meaningless. Returning punts is not meaningless. Field position
Speaker 1: is crucial. It's I mean, it costs the Cowboys like
Speaker 1: at least two games last year. I want dynamic players
Speaker 1: with opportunities to touch the ball. So I'm all in
Speaker 1: on CD returning punts. I love it. Camber and he
Speaker 1: said he likes doing it, So that's a plus. When
Speaker 1: you got a guy that actually he likes doing a
Speaker 1: certain job. All right. Moving on to late in vendor Ish,
Speaker 1: how's he doing with the whole neck injury so far?
Speaker 1: From the things I've we've been able to see a practice,
Speaker 1: I really didn't want to talk about it, So no, Babe,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't talk about it. He doesn't like talking about
Speaker 1: it because I think he feels like he's moving on
Speaker 1: and so he looks pretty good at this point. The
Speaker 1: fact that he did not start on pump I thought
Speaker 1: was a really big sign. So, so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Obviously not you know, he's not banging in there with
Speaker 1: the other blockers, but you know, we'll see when he
Speaker 1: gets that first couple of hits. But I think right now,
Speaker 1: I think it's going pretty good. Yeah, he's full go
Speaker 1: him and Jaylen both. I mean, it's it's practice, but
Speaker 1: they both look really good. I've been really impressed with
Speaker 1: both of them so far. Yeah, linebacker and running back
Speaker 1: are probably the two hardest positions to really evaluate in
Speaker 1: training camp when you're not actually hitting and tackling. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, based on what you've already seen,
Speaker 1: I think both those guys that you just mentioned, Dave,
Speaker 1: they look really good. Particularly, I've liked what I've seen
Speaker 1: from them in the drills where they've been in coverage,
Speaker 1: because I did not think and I have not that
Speaker 1: thought that Jalen Smith necessarily was was great in coverage.
Speaker 1: But I think he's done pretty well here in training
Speaker 1: camp so far. It'll be interesting to see once they
Speaker 1: actually start hitting, if we see a similar type result
Speaker 1: from both those guys at linebacker. All Right, this guy
Speaker 1: says that, you know, we're used to talking about the
Speaker 1: great Dallas Cowboys offensive line, but at this moment he
Speaker 1: feels that that specific position group is the weakest. How
Speaker 1: do you guys feel about that when you look at
Speaker 1: the whole roster, what position group would you say is
Speaker 1: the weakest at this point? I'm oh, okay, that's a
Speaker 1: good one. I mean, they have this unproven I mean,
Speaker 1: he might be might be pretty good, but I mean
Speaker 1: Blake might be pretty good. But I think I think
Speaker 1: they're the weakest on offense. The offensive line is going
Speaker 1: to be fine once Lyle gets back in there, I believe.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I do agree with the point that
Speaker 1: it's not what it used to be. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's this dominating thing. You can't just keep getting injury
Speaker 1: for these guys and losing Travis Frederick. It's not the same,
Speaker 1: but I still think it's pretty good. I still I
Speaker 1: mean until proven otherwise. Oh sorry, sorry a g until
Speaker 1: proven otherwise. It's the secondary. It's the secondary until I
Speaker 1: mean they've been they've they're off to a nice start.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they've got I think they have four
Speaker 1: picks at the DBS have four picks because Francis Bernard
Speaker 1: has two of those. So I mean, it's a nice start.
Speaker 1: But there's there's proven playmaking ability almost everywhere else on
Speaker 1: this team, but we don't necessarily have that from the
Speaker 1: defensive backs. Not only that, but let's consider this. Let's
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit. The offensive line still has
Speaker 1: two All pros on it, and at last time I check,
Speaker 1: tight ends don't have a single one. Uh, the secondary
Speaker 1: doesn't have a single one. So I think there are
Speaker 1: other positions on this team that you look at and
Speaker 1: you're like it, there's a little bit more to prove
Speaker 1: than this offensive line. I think the offensive line will
Speaker 1: be fine. Part of the problem right now is just
Speaker 1: you got injuries at your at your swing tackle in
Speaker 1: your right tackle position. That'll work itself out. I think
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. When you talk about the secondary and
Speaker 1: today's point about that whole area. To me, right now,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you really truly get to evaluate
Speaker 1: this because I feel like every training camp that is
Speaker 1: a position group that we notice and guys start standing out.
Speaker 1: You know, last year we were talking about Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and how well he was doing and everything like that.
Speaker 1: But then you get into the season and then you
Speaker 1: start seeing certain players Cheeto not performing as well as
Speaker 1: you would want them to or expect them to. So
Speaker 1: how do you really get to evaluate at this point?
Speaker 1: I know it's it's hard for us, and I know
Speaker 1: it's hard for the coaching staff and the scouting department,
Speaker 1: But how do you figure it out? I mean we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean they can make their own evaluations. They have
Speaker 1: the L twenty two, they can go back and watch,
Speaker 1: and they have a much better idea of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's really coming on or you know, kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of the Loop Gift interception in the preseason
Speaker 1: last year where we're all like, what an amazing play
Speaker 1: and the coaches are like, he was so far out
Speaker 1: of position it's not even funny. But the quarterback made
Speaker 1: a bad decision. It's hard. With what we're working with,
Speaker 1: it's hard. So all I try to do is just
Speaker 1: say what I see. If you notice I couch everything
Speaker 1: I say, I say, it looks like or I think,
Speaker 1: which I mean. I'm just doing the best that I can.
Speaker 1: But yeah, every single year, somebody that we love during
Speaker 1: training camp turns out to be kind of disappointing. So
Speaker 1: you're just trying to do the best you can and
Speaker 1: let people know what you see. I guess you know.
Speaker 1: I'll use this phrase one of the guys here the
Speaker 1: local media uses it a lot, Jock Taylor. Sports is fluid,
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of the best way you
Speaker 1: could put this. Like, just because we talk about a
Speaker 1: specific player right now and say, oh, he's performing really well,
Speaker 1: that has absolutely no bearing on how he's going to
Speaker 1: perform week one or week sixteen. The fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is you just talk about what you see right
Speaker 1: now and we and the proof will be what are
Speaker 1: they doing in week one, in week two, in week three,
Speaker 1: week four, as they play throughout the season. That will
Speaker 1: really be the proof. But you know, again, we're just
Speaker 1: talking about what's happening right now. You cannot I don't
Speaker 1: think and at least what I've seen over the years
Speaker 1: that I've covered this team. You cannot put a ton
Speaker 1: of stock in what you see in training camp, necessarily
Speaker 1: because there will be guys that don't do much in
Speaker 1: training camp that show up really big when the season
Speaker 1: gets here. There'll be others they look really great in
Speaker 1: training camp and won't do anything once the season gets here. So,
Speaker 1: you know, you just talk about what you have right now,
Speaker 1: and there's no way to really evaluate the future. You
Speaker 1: can only evaluate what's happening right now in these practice situations. Now,
Speaker 1: we are limited on certain things that we can talk
Speaker 1: about from this practices, But based on what we've seen
Speaker 1: so far, what is something whether on offense or defense,
Speaker 1: that has caught your eyes overall that it's different from
Speaker 1: what we've seen in previous years, Nick um Dan, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping somebody else could jump in on that, like something
Speaker 1: that's different. I mean, just I guess there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of drills here and there. I'm trying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of like something that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could just I could say, oh, red
Speaker 1: jerseys on the quarterbacks or last names on the bat
Speaker 1: I mean, but that doesn't matter. That's just visible changes.
Speaker 1: I really can't think you guys have something that that's
Speaker 1: like you said, oh, this is completely different than what
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: completely different, but um, you know, not trying to give
Speaker 1: Mike's game away, but I just the running backs are active,
Speaker 1: and they are doing things downfield and on the side
Speaker 1: of the field and in the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's exciting because it was a source
Speaker 1: of great frustration that they weren't a little more creative
Speaker 1: with those guys last year. And you know, we just
Speaker 1: said what they're doing right now. It doesn't mean they'll
Speaker 1: do it when the season starts. But I'm more confident
Speaker 1: than ever that both Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard will
Speaker 1: have big and diverse roles in this offense. And that's exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I guess I could say to
Speaker 1: that is that we've seen more practice with quarterbacks throwing
Speaker 1: the ball on the run like before. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: it just happens, they're part of the game, but we've
Speaker 1: actually seen drills where they are designed to go through
Speaker 1: things and then throw it. Um, that's that that kind
Speaker 1: of shows to me that you know that they may
Speaker 1: try to do that, you know, more es first with
Speaker 1: Dak and get him out there and and you know,
Speaker 1: having practice the fact that he can throw the ball
Speaker 1: in the run. He's always been pretty good at that.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's just something that I think that
Speaker 1: they're working on. You know, you know, I'll go back
Speaker 1: to what Cheeto said earlier in the week in his
Speaker 1: time with the media and talking about how the defense
Speaker 1: um is a lot more um, a lot more dynamic
Speaker 1: this year. They are. They're giving a lot more looks
Speaker 1: pre snap and disguising a lot more things. And that's
Speaker 1: something again he talked about as far as how he
Speaker 1: likes the fact that they're doing that a little bit
Speaker 1: more and not relying so much on just hey we
Speaker 1: got better players. They're actually giving their guys a chance
Speaker 1: by giving them some some schematic help, and so that's
Speaker 1: something else. I think that that, at least from the
Speaker 1: way he describes it, can be a really big boon
Speaker 1: for this team and really maybe help them. I've always
Speaker 1: been a big proponent of the fact that I think
Speaker 1: teams should rely more on scheme than just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna line up the way we line up and
Speaker 1: make you adjust to us. Because what happens when you
Speaker 1: find a team that really is legitimately better and then
Speaker 1: that's and we saw that last year. I think that's
Speaker 1: part of the reasons why Cowboys didn't play great as
Speaker 1: far as their win loss record against really good teams
Speaker 1: last year because they didn't really give their guys a
Speaker 1: ton of help when it comes to scheming up how
Speaker 1: they play and disguising certain things and throwing, you know,
Speaker 1: different things at teams that they aren't really necessarily expected.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually excited to see more of that as
Speaker 1: a season gets here. Out of the undrafted players, who
Speaker 1: would be a guy that you feel will make the
Speaker 1: roster so far, I want to jump in here and
Speaker 1: Nick and Nick and Derek more so Nick just because
Speaker 1: you've seen more. But like, tell me if I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: doesn't it seem to you like the down the line
Speaker 1: guys are just not getting as many opportunities as we're
Speaker 1: used to. Yeah, this is you can tell. You can
Speaker 1: tell by the way the guys that they sign they
Speaker 1: like veteran guys. You know, they they're they're trying to
Speaker 1: throw you know, they don't want a bunch of young
Speaker 1: guys learning on the run in week one. They want
Speaker 1: some veteran players. But you're right, Dave, you don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. Francis Bernard has been one
Speaker 1: who's played a little bit. But I think we're just
Speaker 1: saying that because he's made the most of the opportunities.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's jumping in with you know, with
Speaker 1: first team reps or anything like that. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this for sure, but my impression
Speaker 1: from watching these first few practices. Remember we've said it already,
Speaker 1: they didn't have an off season. There's no OTAs and
Speaker 1: no mini camps, so that's fifteen practices that you typically
Speaker 1: used to install everything. They're doing that right now. They
Speaker 1: are I mean, I know they had their virtual sessions,
Speaker 1: but they are installing on the field for the first time.
Speaker 1: And I think my perception is that the coaches really
Speaker 1: want to make sure that the top of the line
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be playing in the season
Speaker 1: know their stuff because they are getting so much more
Speaker 1: opportunity than the down the line guys. There's just the
Speaker 1: seasons already. I mean, shoot, it's like two and a
Speaker 1: half weeks away. They don't have time to be seeing
Speaker 1: what they have in Rondell Carter. They need to get
Speaker 1: the big names out there learning their stuff. So to
Speaker 1: that point, I mean, it would be Francis Bernard for me,
Speaker 1: just because he's made the most of those opportunities. I
Speaker 1: struggle to think of any other like undrafted guys that
Speaker 1: have really gotten a chance to do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, forty two gets the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. Is that Rico? Maybe I don't know how
Speaker 1: to say his name, but Rico double Dabble from South Carolina.
Speaker 1: He gets the ball a lot, and he's not doing
Speaker 1: a whole lot with it. I don't you know. But
Speaker 1: but you know, to your point, day what they've had
Speaker 1: four practices so far. I mean, I think they've had four.
Speaker 1: When you go back to the two weeks after the draft,
Speaker 1: there used to be one week after the draft the
Speaker 1: rookie rookie free agents get. I mean all the rookies
Speaker 1: get a mini camp of three days. You know, that's
Speaker 1: just by themselves, rookie mini camps, so they get free
Speaker 1: practices under their belt. Here we are in the middle
Speaker 1: of August and there are they're sitting at four right now,
Speaker 1: so you know they should have had way, way more
Speaker 1: time than this. So yeah, it makes sense that you
Speaker 1: know they're not going to get it in two or
Speaker 1: three weeks. So I see the will, but that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't have we can't have our eyes
Speaker 1: everywhere all the time. So there's a good chance that
Speaker 1: I've missed something. But I swear people have been blowing
Speaker 1: me up about Bradley and I and I understand why.
Speaker 1: You know, he's an exciting draft pick. I with my
Speaker 1: own eyes have not seen him take a pass rush
Speaker 1: snap in a eleven on eleven setting. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: has done it once or twice, but he ain't getting
Speaker 1: in there a lot because they're deferring to the veterans
Speaker 1: to try to get them up to speed. At least
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like to me. And Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: is something good good, I said. Reggie Robinson got a
Speaker 1: few snaps and we noticed it because he was getting beat,
Speaker 1: you know, like down the field. So you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we got asked about it on a mail bag,
Speaker 1: like where's Rekie Robinson And it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: he's just he's just trying to learn it. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: there he is. I don't know if that's a good thing,
Speaker 1: but you know it means that. It's just it's these
Speaker 1: guys heads are spinning right now, you know it. And frankly,
Speaker 1: this has been talked about around the league. I think
Speaker 1: every team is looking at the same thing and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's gonna be very difficult to get
Speaker 1: time or to allocate time for rookies, let alone rookie
Speaker 1: free agents, for them to really be able to work
Speaker 1: in and figure out what's going on and get up
Speaker 1: to speed enough to be able to play week one.
Speaker 1: When you have a condensed training camp, no offseason, it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's almost impossible. And so it is a
Speaker 1: year when veterans are actually going to be at a
Speaker 1: premium and I'm I'm interested to see what happens here
Speaker 1: when teams have to cut. Are there going to be
Speaker 1: some draft picks that normally would not get cut that
Speaker 1: teams feel like they got a part ways with because
Speaker 1: they just didn't see them, and they gotta keep some
Speaker 1: of those veterans. I want to see how this all
Speaker 1: plays out, because I do think veterans are in a
Speaker 1: very very precarious situation, which again that plays into why
Speaker 1: somebody like Mike McCarthy doesn't want us videoing and tweeting
Speaker 1: about his team because odds are he's not going to
Speaker 1: have a great idea of what he's letting go of
Speaker 1: when it comes time to cut the roster down. Ye,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. But at position that we haven't
Speaker 1: really talked about, but we've learned that is very very
Speaker 1: important on the team is kicker. How has the kicker
Speaker 1: been doing so far? He's perfect, He's perfect, but that's
Speaker 1: he's only he's kicked one time. It's the differences, you know,
Speaker 1: we're still getting used to it, but like you can
Speaker 1: tell the differences in the way that these coaching staffs
Speaker 1: do stuff, you know, special teams under Under McCarthy and
Speaker 1: John Fossil, it dominates. It's like the first thirty minutes
Speaker 1: in practices, all special teams work, but that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's blocking and assignments and stuff like that. Greg Zerline
Speaker 1: has only kicked field goals one time in four practices
Speaker 1: and I think a long was forty three, so they're
Speaker 1: not even asking him to do super long range stuff.
Speaker 1: So he looks all right to me. They haven't done
Speaker 1: a lot with him. But and let's be clear that
Speaker 1: that means that may only be the kicks that he's
Speaker 1: doing in front of us. There are other fields, so
Speaker 1: he could be working, like if the team is working indoors,
Speaker 1: he could be working outside kicking. I don't want to
Speaker 1: trans to get the idea that he's sitting on his
Speaker 1: just kind of sitting in the locker room doing nothing.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's probably kicking. It's just in
Speaker 1: different location than when the media is right. Okay. Thoughts
Speaker 1: on Drew Peterson. We haven't really talked about him, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy in some big news yesterday. Thoughts on
Speaker 1: him getting a step closer to Canton. I'll take this one.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about it. I know that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean he's in, but I think the writing's on the
Speaker 1: wall there that with him being the only senior addition
Speaker 1: there for the from the Seniors committee, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't usually at this point that
Speaker 1: they don't not get in. So you know, yes, everyone
Speaker 1: remembers that the video and he was upset and rightfully so.
Speaker 1: I mean, he deserves it. And I'll say this. Everyone
Speaker 1: can have their own opinion. I've said this thousand times.
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, though, when you think about the
Speaker 1: history of the Dallas Cowboys and the memorable moments, we
Speaker 1: memorable games, Hail Mary, the Clint Longley game, even Dorsets
Speaker 1: ninety nine yard run, the you know game against the
Speaker 1: Alkins in the playoffs when Danny White came back. Drew
Speaker 1: Chris is in there for all of it. He is
Speaker 1: the history of this team. He's he started number eighty eight,
Speaker 1: and he's the only offensive player that in the decade
Speaker 1: of the nineteen seventies All decade team not in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Long overdue. It needs to happen, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like it will. Yeah, No video last year
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking, and I honestly, I just I just want
Speaker 1: to see the right thing be done here. Like you said, Nick,
Speaker 1: I think he certainly is deserving and uh, And I
Speaker 1: think he had every expectation that last year, with the
Speaker 1: increased number of guys that were going to be going
Speaker 1: in celebrate the NFL anniversary. I think he rightfully thought
Speaker 1: he would be a part of that and he wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I just I hated that for him. I hated
Speaker 1: to see him go through that. I think the NFL
Speaker 1: needs to do right by him, and he think he
Speaker 1: needs to be in the in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: It's weird to say, but I kind of think the
Speaker 1: video might be why this happened. Honestly, um, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of went it kind of went viral at least,
Speaker 1: you know, among NFL fans and media, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people saw that. You know, not everybody
Speaker 1: pays as close attention to the Cowboys as we do.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson's not in the Hall of Fame, Like, are
Speaker 1: we serious right now? And I think that probably gave
Speaker 1: him a groundswell of support that maybe he didn't have before. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate it for him. It sucks that
Speaker 1: that had to happen, But in a weird way, I
Speaker 1: think that video kind of maybe put this on the map.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys remember a linebacker that played with
Speaker 1: Florence Taylor's name was Harry Carson. He played for the
Speaker 1: Giants for a long time. He was a finalist in
Speaker 1: the Like in the Final fifteen eight years in a
Speaker 1: row and didn't make it, and he said, do not
Speaker 1: put my name in here again. I'm removing my name.
Speaker 1: I'm out. It just is not happening. He got in
Speaker 1: next year, That next year he got in. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that just has to happen sometimes people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, sometimes z are probably extenuating circumstances. None of
Speaker 1: us is in the room when they're making those decisions.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to kill those
Speaker 1: guys too much, but I just think this at this rate,
Speaker 1: Like you said, Nick, if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the history of the Dallas Cowboys, and the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: a very history franchise, franchise that is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most in the NFL, one of the most story
Speaker 1: franchise in NFL, and so many of those stories have
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson being a part of them. There's no reason.
Speaker 1: Like you hear that that phrase all the time. Can
Speaker 1: you tell the story of whatever without whoever? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can tell the story of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys without Drew Pearson being a part of it, which
Speaker 1: means and he has the production on top of that,
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be in the Hall of fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can't just look at numbers because the numbers,
Speaker 1: like when the guys in the seventies, the way the
Speaker 1: passing game was four teen game schedules, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Keenan McCardell has more sacks than Drew Pearson. It's not
Speaker 1: the way it is. It's just how he meant, what
Speaker 1: he meant to the team, the organization, and that success
Speaker 1: he's definitely deserving. So it looks like it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: All right. We'll appreciate you guys joining us. Thanks Amber
Speaker 1: forgetting all the questions. Thanks for all you guys who
Speaker 1: actually sent questions. Were appreciate you taking some time with us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next Wednesday eleven am for more from
Speaker 1: the Break. Till then for Nick Eatn, Dave helm and AMBERGARSCIA.
Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live
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