WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Good & Bad 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:19.919 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.680 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.000 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.360 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:38.479 Were with Nick Eatman, David Helman, and bar Garcia and 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:45.600 Derek Eagleton. Good, it's Wednesday. It is Wednesday, August nineteenth, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.920 twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode number fifteen. Welcome to another 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.600 edition of The Break we are. I am actually live 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.560 from my home. This is the virtual s WBC Morrigan Studios, 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.279 joined by Nick Eatman, Amburg Garcia, Dave Helman. They're all 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.680 in their homes as well. And I'm sorry Nick, you're 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.240 at the office. Actually on a day when the players 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.200 are not at the office. Nick still is at the office. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.880 That tells you a lot about his work ethic. We 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.560 appreciate you, Nick. We're gonna talk some Cowboys football for 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.160 you guys to day, and we appreciate you guys taking 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.600 some time out of your day to join us for that. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.320 And we're gonna start with I think what has been 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.080 probably the biggest news coming out of Cowboys camp since 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.080 camp begin. Joe McCoy had a very very busy last 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:28.320 few days. On Monday he tore us quad or the 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.640 ligament tous quad in practice on Monday. Then on Tuesday 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:37.840 he had surgery, and then Tuesday afternoons he's waved injured. Nick, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.800 I'll start with you. You broke the story for us. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.840 Tell me why he was waved, because I know a 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.039 lot of fans were sitting there looking at that and thinking, wow, 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.200 this is this pretty that seems pretty pretty mean. I 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:51.760 guess it for lack of a better way to put it, 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.160 But why was he waved? Well, I think he had 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.040 to go back all the way to win. He was signed. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.760 When he was signed, they put a waiver into his 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.040 under the contract to say that if something happens with 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.040 the right quad, we can get out of this contract. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.800 And first paded practice something really severe happens with the 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.280 right quad. So something is weird there. I don't ever 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.800 remember seeing an injury waiver on a specific body part 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.639 like that. I guess, you know, coming back from the 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.360 injuries or whatever. But we didn't think that this was 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.760 going to be something that you would they would be 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.200 watching and then the you know, ten minutes after the 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.799 first pads come on, that happens, So they exercised their 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.360 right to do that. They put it in there for 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.560 a reason. It saves them about three and a half 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.880 million to four million over the next couple of years. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.040 So if you if you know you have a chance 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.200 to save some money, and then it happens that way, 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:44.919 you're going to save it. So that that's I think 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.720 what happens. Yeah, it's interesting if that would be in 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:52.000 the contract with specific language even about it. That makes 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.000 you makes you think, or at least makes me think 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.359 that there was some concern from the standpoint of the Cowboys, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.440 and I guess an acknowledgement on the part of the 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.320 representatives of Gerald mccoyd that this was something that maybe 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.160 could happen. I don't know if it was a previous 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.480 injury or just something that they noticed in a physical 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.480 but but obviously something there for them to put that 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.240 in the contract. Dave and Amber talk a little bit 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.880 about about kind of how the Cowboys move from here. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.600 Let's start with you. Dave, talk to me about the replacement. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.280 What could the Cowboys do at this point to replace 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.680 production that they thought they were going to be getting 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.360 a guy who is a proven veteran in that position, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.440 a three technique and even defensive end. When they moved 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.560 two or three four, talk to me about how they 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.200 can to maybe replace him. You know, it's kind of 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.760 funny to me that, Like, I mean, it's a fair question. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.040 I'm not knocking you, but like that's the talking point. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.880 It's like, oh my god, whatever will they do? As 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.040 if they didn't spend the last two drafts addressing the position, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.560 and that just goes to show how much people don't 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.680 trust what they've done. Tristan Hill's the top sixty draft pick, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.440 Neville Gallimore's the top one hundred draft pick. Ninety nine 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.400 percent of time. You look at that and say, all right, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.680 they're covered pretty well. But nobody has forgotten how disappointing 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.960 Tristan's rookie season was, nor should they. So I don't 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.080 blame people if they don't feel great about it. But 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.000 you have two highly talented young players that can step 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.840 into that. And when you had Gerald, it was a luxury. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.159 You know, you're like, well, whatever they can give us 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.880 is great, and that luxury is now gone. One of 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.720 those guys has to step up. So I look at 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.640 you know, the next two or so a week, says, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.440 a big time audition for both of those guys, and 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.560 if they're not up to it, maybe you try to 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.240 go hunt around for a veteran. But I think for 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.080 the time being, you just throw those guys in the 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.080 fire and see what they can do. You know, I 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.359 would agree with you, Dave on the point of of 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.640 you would normally think a second and third round pick 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.479 would be natural fits there, that you would just lean 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.119 on them. But it wasn't like they signed Gerald McCoy 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:51.680 to a one year deal. I'm sorry, I say no, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:56.080 I can get that you're right, but that also goes 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.960 on a point like they didn't go out and signed 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.160 Gerald McCoy to a to a one year deal. They 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.280 signed him to a three year deal, which suggests to 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.000 me that they wanted him here for the next several years, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.560 and they wanted those guys in a rotation. They thought 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.640 there was a role for Gerald Gerald McCoy in addition 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.760 to what those other guys could possibly bring. And so 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.120 that's where I wonder, you know, do they or should 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.120 they consider maybe going out and looking for a veteran 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.080 replacement or just stick with what they have because there 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.400 isn't really much out there right now. I mean, first 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.080 of all, yeah, and in terms of a pass rushing 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.560 defensive tackle, they're in a lot there for you. I know, 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.640 you know a lot of a lot of people are 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.960 going to bring up Snacks Harrison and I don't like, 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.840 I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea, but Snacks's whole, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.599 Like Snacks is Don Taripoe. They are the same type 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.000 of player. They are the gigantic run stuffing, space eating 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.000 defensive tackle. Rushing the passer isn't really their bag. I 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.000 think Snacks would make this team better, but it's also 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:57.359 that gives you three, you know, one technique early down 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.599 run stopping, non pass rushing tackles to go with Poe 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.200 and Antoine Woods. And if you can only keep nine 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.880 or ten, at what point does that become superfluous? Because 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.719 in terms of guys that can rush the passer, you 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.840 have Gallimore or Tristan Hill. We know Tyrone Crawford can 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.440 do a little bit of it. I think Alden Smith 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.799 and Everson Griffin can both kick inside and a pinch. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.360 So it doesn't seem necessary right now. After one injury, 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.360 I mean, injuries happen all the time, So like I said, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.719 I think your best bet right now, until they prove 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.960 they're not capable of doing it, is to hope that 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:38.599 the young guys can step up. The problem with that, David, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.839 it's like, how do you get a chance to actually 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.240 really truly prove that without preseason games? And that's my thing, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.680 like if I think they should be looking around right 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.320 now and see who else they can possibly bring in 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.240 here just to add extra help. And you know, you 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.120 tend to forget about the possibility of injuries at least 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.520 I know I do, until it actually happens and you're like, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.520 oh crap, this happens. Let me look further deep down 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.400 into the position. And you know, we know that Dntari 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.600 Poe he's coming back, But now that's in the back 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.200 of my head at least you know, oh, he's coming 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.920 off an injury. Is he gonna be able to hold up? 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.360 What are these younger guys gonna be able to do? 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.040 Can they show enough during this time without preseason sorry, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.520 without preseason games. So that's the biggest thing right now 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.640 for me. It's just I'm being so extra critical at 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.120 this moment just because I know we don't get the 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.600 chance to see preseason games. Okay, so let's do this. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.200 Let's go across the board. I want to eat you 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.440 guys to tell me how big of a loss do 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.080 you think this is for this Cowboys can team as 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.120 it's currently constructed. Nicho, Let's start with you. I think 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.640 it's a big loss actually because I think he was 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.520 supposed to come in and really help be a locker 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.880 room guy as well. So you know, like you guys 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.040 are saying the backups, you know, they didn't know what 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.040 they really wanted Antoine Woods, I mean, there was a 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.720 lot of took a while to get him to, I mean, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.440 come back in. I guess he wanted a long term deal. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.640 But anyways, I think it's a big loss because I 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.680 just think that there's so much uncertainty there. There's uncertainty 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:17.240 with Poe Crawford's not really a natural tackle, so until 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.160 they get somebody else in here, I think it is 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.720 a great, pretty big loss. Hamber Well, I just I 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.640 just said it's huge. I think that the Cowboys already need, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.000 especially this year because of the circumstances, they already need 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.200 of someone who's a veteran guy who has the experience. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.040 Who do you you don't need to feel some concern 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.480 about whether or not you can plug the guy in 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.640 and have that guy be able to perform at the 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.200 level that you want them too. So I think that 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.040 the veteran need right now is very high, and they 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:54.000 just lost that Dave. It's it is what it is. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.440 It's I mean, I'm not going to try to say 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.760 it's not a big loss. I agree with Nick. I mean, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.000 I think what McCoy would have brought to the table 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.679 from a locker room culture standpoint, I don't think you 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.400 can underestimate that, especially with two young guys like Gallamore 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.880 and Hill. Fortunately, McCoy said on Instagram last night that 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.400 he's not playing on going anywhere. I mean, he can't 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:14.880 go come in the building because he's not on the 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.360 team anymore and because of COVID. But he's gonna he's 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.199 gonna stay mentoring these guys, stay in touch. So that's nice. Um. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.680 You know, one defensive tackle is not going to be 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.000 the difference between whether or not this team is successful. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.839 This team's success is almost entirely predicated on how good 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.960 its offense is. And I absolutely wish Jerald McCoy was 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.520 on the team. But I'm not changing my preseason projections 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.600 for them based on that. But we talked about this 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.360 last week too, that you know, adding ever seen Griffin. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.600 I mean that with d Law that's not a whole 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.000 lot different than what they had last year with Robert Quinn. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.240 Maybe Griffin is better, but you know, they're about the same. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.440 What I thought was going to be different was to 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.800 push from the inside, and dant Folk still bring that. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.400 But you know, you were hoping it would be McCoy 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.520 and and Poe and you know, maybe Crawford gets in there, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.040 but you know it's it's but then again, it's a 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.319 completely different defense. We're seeing that in practice right now. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.200 You can tell that it's not going to be the 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.240 same defense. They're asking these guys to do different things 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.520 than what they did last year. Well, Nick, I will 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.760 say this, I do think Alden Smith. I do think 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.400 Alden Smith adds a little bit more to that because, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:26.960 as Day said a little earlier, I think he can 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.080 pop down. I think Griffin can pop down. So when 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.600 you start talking about pass rush situations third down, you're 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.520 probably gonna have all three of those guys, all three 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.200 of those pass rushers on the field, maybe Tyrone, Tyrone, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.640 Crawford as the fourth and so I still think you'll 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.400 get that kind of push up the middle because you 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.160 got some guys that are really dynamic type players, you 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.000 hope at least that you can have down their defensive tackle. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.040 I'm not a fan of that though. I'm not and 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.760 I could just still see the touchdown Tyler Luckett scored 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.800 against Seattle. I'm just not a fan of putting d 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.440 Law inside or Alden Smith inside. It's just like asking 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.199 a running back to play receiver. You're not doing what 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.360 they do best. And so by putting him down, just 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.200 because they can rush their passer off the edge doesn't 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.760 mean they can go in there and beat the Zach 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.360 Martin's of the world in the middle. So he's some 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.960 rare I mean, not everybody's J. J. Watt and JPP 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.320 that could go and do all that. So I'm just 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.200 not a big fan of putting outside rushers and the 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.559 inside like that. I mean, I never saw a d 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.760 Ware do that. But yeah, I just say I would 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.120 say that all three of those guys, in my opinion, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.079 are at least what you would call premier pass rushers 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.600 in the NFL. Maybe they aren't as good at defensive tackle. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.680 I do think that their speed, and in particular Alton Smith. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.560 I mean, the guy's huge. I think he's about two 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.520 eighty five or two eighty something like that. He's a 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.840 really big guy to be playing defensive end. So I 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.400 think sliding him into defensive tackle, I think you get 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.199 the speed of what he could do on the outside 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.640 that can be disruptive there. But I think he also 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.320 has that power in that big body that can also 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.840 manage to be playing a defensive tackle. He's gonna get 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.240 it's gonna be a problem. He's he's already a finalist 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.240 for Comeback Player of the Year, and I don't know 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.960 if he's gonna win it. We'll see what happens, but 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.719 he's gonna be a finalist right now. He's a problem. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.520 Tymon Smith will tell you if you if you ever 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.280 talk to the media, he'll tell you, which, Yeah, that 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.520 kind of goes to my point. I mean, I'm not 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.080 trying to convince anybody that it's not a big deal 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.600 that Gerald McCoy is out. But they got they got bodies, 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.240 and they have two supposedly very talented young guys. If 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.760 they can just get something from one of them, it 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.160 doesn't even have to be both. Just get something from 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.720 one of those guys and it'll it'll be okay. It 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.480 ain't gonna be you know, it's not gonna be the 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.200 best defensive line in the league, but it'll be. It'll 0:12:42.240 --> 0:13:06.760 be okay. We'll save actually that conversation for it looks 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.040 like rams some issues with with Derek. Just real quick, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.240 let's have my background. Now he's back, they come back. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:20.080 Now I think I'm back up. Um, I don't know why. No, Well, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.640 I guess what I was going to ask you guys 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.079 was Um, we've heard we've heard some of the questions 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.440 that are happened from coach Um as well as some 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.680 of the players about the fact that that they think 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.839 that there's going to be uh, some that they may 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.240 kind of switch between four three three four, they may 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.240 do a little bit of both. Uh. There really hasn't 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.280 been a commitment to one or the other. So that 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.720 being said, talk to me about where you think this 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.360 loss may be a potential bigger loss with Gerald McCoy 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.520 now being waived. Um, when you talk about those other 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.720 two guys and the other guys that are left on 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.720 the defensive line, do you think this can affect the 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.080 Cowboys and maybe push them in one direction or the 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.840 other four three verses three four. But sorry with you 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:06.120 Amber this, why are we still talking about this? I 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.400 get so upset at this subject. I mean, honestly, these 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:16.240 guys and you guys sound so comfortable. I guess even 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.200 the way that Dave was speaking of how he feels 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.040 with what they got right now and the possibility of 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.080 these other guys being able to step up. But to me, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.960 I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm done trying 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.560 to convince myself at the beginning of the year. Now, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.680 I'm like, you need to show it to me, you 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.680 need to make it happen. I don't care what they do, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.440 whether it's a three four four three. They're gonna figure 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.360 out what the guys that they currently have and see 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.400 what they can actually do and make it work. I 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:53.760 think that the size matters alive. For Sorry, I'm I'm 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.320 getting carried away with other things. I'm sorry. I apologize 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.440 for the unprofessionalism. Size matters a lot when he comes 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.840 down to picking out this position and what you're gonna 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.360 do there. But don't ask me about three four or 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:14.600 four three. Don't care, all right? I respect that I 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.600 want to you know, you know, Mike McCarthy, if you're 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.720 watching this, don't don't get mad at me. I'm not 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.920 trying to give your game away, but I want to. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.200 I want to point something out I guess, which is 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.880 that what we've seen to this point mainly is Alden 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.720 Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence rushing the passer from a two 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.800 point stance, not necessarily a three to four because it's 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.400 a four man front still like there's still there's a 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.800 one technique and a three technique in there. Usually when 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.080 it's happening, it's not this you know, massive crazy change 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.400 to a three four front with a true nose tackle 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.600 a zero technique for that matter. Dan Tari Poe, the 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.440 guy who fits that role the best, has not practiced yet. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.480 So obviously they have the personnel to do that. But 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.320 I don't want to give people the wrong idea that 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.880 they're running all these different fronts. It's a four man front. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.600 They're just rushing there there ends from a two point stance. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.800 So we you know, it's been different, don't get me wrong, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.680 but it hasn't been this crazy, crazy departure um so, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.920 and I think that's going to continue to be the case. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.000 I think it's going to be a different presentation of 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.320 what we're already used to. For the most part, in 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:31.080 my opinion, disagree though, Dave, because I think it's not 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.240 just a four man front. I mean it's really a 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.880 five man front when you think of the defensive line, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.400 because I still think of Alden Smith as a defensive 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.520 lineman and Griffin and d Law and those guys as 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.120 d lyneen. So when they're both out there standing up, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.720 I think that's I mean, I don't really call that 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:53.440 a four man front, you know, because well, I mean 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.200 it's it's from what we've seen. We saw a dose 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.240 tackle which will probably be Poe, but we hadn't seeing 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.440 that yet. But it was McCoy and it was it 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.840 was Crawford and in d Law and all the spen 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.639 A's five because you're only seeing two linebackers. But I 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.960 mean it's not like they're just playing one thing. I mean, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.320 we what Dave saw, he saw, I saw some other things. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.200 There's Nickel, there's time. That's why that's why they don't 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.960 want us talking about all this stuff. That's why none 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.400 coach wants that, because they're just trying out different things. Yes, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.040 there'll be four man fronts. There'll be three four looks, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.080 there'll be four three votes, they'll be five two looks, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.280 they'll be all of that. That's what Mike Nolan's known for. Yeah, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.479 and I would suspect I would suspect that they're going 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.720 to be times when And this is just kind of 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.480 the whole idea of using a three four versus four 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.240 three defense. You can flip to a two four five 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.720 where you're in nickel where you only have two down 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.160 linemen and you have four linebackers, and you're considering those 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.199 two outside guys linebackers at that point, right, But I 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.560 get what you're saying, David's still it would still be 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.240 in those kind of scenarios a four man front. Look, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.080 the point is I'm wondering, is Gerald McCoy being gone, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.800 how does that affect their ability to be able to 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.240 have a three man front versus a four man front, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.320 because obviously you're talking about defensive tackles. Their roles changed 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.160 quite a bit when you talk about four three verses 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.680 three four, And that's where I'm a little more trying 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.440 to get to a you know what you guys think 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.960 about this, Ken Tristan Hill or Gallimore stant can they 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.400 play let's say, defensive end in a three to four 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.440 as well as play a three technique in a four three. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.600 That's where I'm trying to figure out where they where. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.600 You think there's a bigger loss of Gerald McCoy. You know, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.679 it makes me kind of wonder with this scheme. It 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.240 makes me wonder why they didn't have a lot of 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.200 interest in bringing back Malie Collins. I think he would 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.199 have been a good fit for this. But you know, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.400 they know more than me, obviously, But I just I'm 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.080 not really sure how the McCoy injuries going to affect everything. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.520 I don't know who they've got to replace that spot. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:00.000 I think Tyrone Crawford, though, can somewhat do it, especially 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.480 if it's kind of a I've always thought Crawford could 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.840 play free four defensive end so well, that's why he 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.320 was broad here a million billion years ago. I mean, yeah, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.720 I think Tyrone can do it. Honestly, I think Antoine 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.760 Woods could probably do it. He's not not ideal by 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.600 any I mean, Antoine Woods is not ideal to play 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.560 on the defensive line in the NFL, but he makes 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.880 it work. Um. I think they could both do it. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.480 I think I mean, well, Hill and Gallimore, they got 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.240 to have a quick first step. I think they could 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.399 be able to do that. They're always talking about the 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.199 flexibility of a lot of these guys out of that 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.840 whole group, in the whole line. Who would be a 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.919 guy that you guys think that they absolutely need to 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.960 stick to one specific role and don't have that kind 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:56.200 of flexibility to be moved around. Oh yeah, he's honestly though, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.000 he could probably play three four in Indo if they 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.600 needed him to. I'll be you'd prefer he played, but 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.680 he probably could. He has played quarterback. So as long 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.919 as adown fast, as long as DeMarcus and Alden Smith 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.359 are able to rush off the edge, just do whatever 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.439 else you gotta do to make it work. That's, you 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.399 know the other. The other thing I'm really wondering that 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.760 on that point, Dave is like, once you get um 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.920 Everson Griffin in the mix, I wonder how they look 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.520 at that. Do they look at this and say, you 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.000 know how we talked. We had this conversation a lot 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.640 about offensive lineman. Where you want your best five players 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.920 out there, even if two of those players could probably 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.280 play the same position, you kind of fit that one 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.879 into another position because he's just one of your best five. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.199 I wonder if they look at this and they say, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.840 you know, Everson Griffin, Alden Smith, and DeMarcus Lawrence are 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.000 three of our top four defensive linemen. How can we 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.919 get all four of them on the field at the 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.479 same time as much as possible? And I wonder if 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.480 that means that one of those three ends up now 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.520 switching predominantly to another position in order to keep those 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.960 guys on the field more frequently. Not saying it will happen, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.000