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Speaker 1: two episode four. Hello, my name is jas Get Sepsion
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Speaker 2: And today we will be welcoming back our peace make
Speaker 2: a correspondent super producer, Ian thank you for joining us again.
Speaker 3: Ian Lease, don't be peace Maker.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this episode, because again I feel like
Speaker 2: every episode this season is just getting boo.
Speaker 1: It's been great, It's been great.
Speaker 5: Season has been phenomenal, it really has been.
Speaker 1: So. We open season two, episode four in the past
Speaker 1: White Dragon and the boys. The boys are like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, thirteen and fifteen or something, a little younger
Speaker 1: and maybe a little younger. They're out hunting. White Dragon
Speaker 1: spots something through the woods. He fires. They here screaming.
Speaker 1: They go over there. It's an alien.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Chris tries to stop his dad from shooting the alien dead,
Speaker 1: but dad does. It blows the alien's head off, and
Speaker 1: when they walk further into the woods, they find the
Speaker 1: portal bomb bomb bom.
Speaker 2: Nice to know, and obviously we'll talk about this more,
Speaker 2: but this confirms all my thoughts about how Chris's dad
Speaker 2: definitely never made that fucking pool. He definitely didn't invent nothing.
Speaker 2: But it was good to have the proof also put
Speaker 2: out there. I thought that this alien had a very
Speaker 2: similar look to Miss the Handsome, who was kind of
Speaker 2: the chyn of Superman. Now now we know that James
Speaker 2: Gunn said in his mind, Lex Luthor created Miss the
Speaker 2: Handsome in the Petree dish. He was one of his
Speaker 2: early experiments. But the shape of this face, the kind
Speaker 2: of horselike nature of the face, it was very similar
Speaker 2: to me. Also gross, really gross scene when he shut
Speaker 2: him in the head like they were like evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does look like a like a baby
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 5: It looked like a young age.
Speaker 2: Definitely feels like that will come back at some point
Speaker 2: and by a.
Speaker 1: Young mister Handsome whose skin has seen the sun.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: We go to the present in the Argus Van it's Economist, Flurry, Bordeaux, Judo, Master,
Speaker 1: Red Saint, Wild Lineup, and a few random argist guys.
Speaker 1: They're on the way to get Chris and kill Eagerly.
Speaker 1: Economists snitches on Flurry for making like mocking faces as
Speaker 1: well on the Bordo, which starts an argument in the van.
Speaker 1: It's very funny and while kind of like the distraction
Speaker 1: from that is ongoing, Economist manages to fire off a
Speaker 1: warning text to Chris, like, hey, Argus is coming, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of there. Chris is laying in bed
Speaker 1: in his actual house, in his actual reality, not realizing
Speaker 1: that Argus is like pulling up at that moment, he
Speaker 1: notices the bullet holes in his ceiling and it is
Speaker 1: like the house is a mess, Like what the fucks?
Speaker 1: He finds elily rating the fridge to try and figure
Speaker 1: out what's up. But then he gets the text, and
Speaker 1: Chris realizes we got to get out of here. He
Speaker 1: goes to like a closet. He pulls one of like
Speaker 1: and it looks like an alien purse. It dark alien,
Speaker 1: it's what.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm guessing exactly need it to open right,
Speaker 3: and he had it like.
Speaker 1: Buried in the closet. So he pulls out the alien
Speaker 1: purse and lures Eagerly out of the house with lunch
Speaker 1: meat and they go running to safety. Saint Wild. We
Speaker 1: watched Saint wild To eat some eagle droppings, which gross.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they were crunchy.
Speaker 4: I know it would look like a chip.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say they they'm They made him seem
Speaker 2: like it was a delectable delicacy for him, and you
Speaker 2: know what, the crunchiness wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 5: The post credit scene for the episode, they like extend
Speaker 5: that gag even longer. Yeah, where he's like describing everything
Speaker 5: he's tasting in it.
Speaker 1: The Michael Rooker with like a ninety eight mile per
Speaker 1: hour fastball performance in this episode.
Speaker 2: I also love that he This is an interesting canonical
Speaker 2: thing too, because uh, he is in James Gunn's Suicide
Speaker 2: Squad playing a different character. So this is a very
Speaker 2: interesting I love that he doesn't mind kind of having
Speaker 2: fun with his regulars. I would watch Michael Worker and anything,
Speaker 2: so he's so funny. This is such a good weird
Speaker 2: character for him.
Speaker 1: So in the Woods, Judo Master finds Chris and they fight.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Saint Wilde is about to shoot
Speaker 1: eaglely with his like uh like old timey western style, yeah,
Speaker 1: like like clever action like rifle Economists knocks him out
Speaker 1: in order to save eaglely and then Chris manages to
Speaker 1: take out Judo Master with some wrestling moves, picks up
Speaker 1: the alien handbag, and they flee at home at a
Speaker 1: Bio gets her the new issue of Pro Soldier magazine,
Speaker 1: which has her ad for her private security companies.
Speaker 4: Is very terrible ad.
Speaker 1: She flips. She flips to the ad.
Speaker 5: She's so stoked.
Speaker 2: Woman has never used canvra in her life, Like they
Speaker 2: maybe proof that kanva doesn't exist in the in the DCA,
Speaker 2: that's as James gun.
Speaker 1: So she's so stoked. But in the middle of that,
Speaker 1: she gets a text from Chris asking for out Fleury
Speaker 1: and Bardoux finds the door covering the portal and the
Speaker 1: security pad next to it. Meanwhile, Economists is like trying
Speaker 1: to convince Saint wild that, like, actually, so what would
Speaker 1: happened was while you were shooting at that eagle about
Speaker 1: to shoot at that eagle, a second eagle protecting it
Speaker 1: came and knocked you out. And Saint Wil's like, do
Speaker 1: you realize what this means? Eagles are solitary creatures. This
Speaker 1: can only mean that the primal eagle has a beer.
Speaker 1: This is the mother of all eagles. I've been waiting
Speaker 1: my tarre life. Everything I've done is led up to
Speaker 1: this ball. But where I'm gonna take out the problem Eagle.
Speaker 1: I love when economos is like, I love what economists
Speaker 1: is like, it can't mean anything else, Like, yeah, that.
Speaker 4: Has to be that because it's like, definitely wasn't me.
Speaker 4: Definitely wasn't me.
Speaker 2: I am having a lot of fun with how they
Speaker 2: have basically filled August with like the silliest people. And
Speaker 2: that's the only way that that John Economists can get
Speaker 2: one over on them is they have to all be
Speaker 2: the most insane characters possible. Like for me, the Tim
Speaker 2: Meadows as flurry has just like elevated this to such
Speaker 2: a high level, Like I love his style of comedy,
Speaker 2: I love the absurdist, and I love how also like
Speaker 2: you've really have no idea what he wants, like does
Speaker 2: he just want to be really cool to see?
Speaker 4: Does he want to be seen as a cool boss?
Speaker 4: Is that why he's always making.
Speaker 2: Up names for people? Like right, there's just there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of levels to it, and I just think
Speaker 2: Tim Meadows is knocking it out the park.
Speaker 1: To your point about August being staffed with like the
Speaker 1: most clownish like inconfidence. It's crazy. I mean, I get it,
Speaker 1: Rick Senior's heartbroken, right, but it's interesting that his other
Speaker 1: takeaway from the files isn't like how the fuck did
Speaker 1: they succeed? Like how did this? How did we successfully
Speaker 1: complete that mission?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 2: And also like, wait a minute, I should probably like
Speaker 2: talk to Amanda Waller about this and see if the.
Speaker 1: Story is definitely don't talk to her because we don't
Speaker 1: have her lockdown under contract yet.
Speaker 2: We hope your hair ready to step into the shoes
Speaker 2: of Viola Davis.
Speaker 3: Winning act though.
Speaker 1: We don't have that. Don't call her until we have
Speaker 1: that contract locked out.
Speaker 4: But nothing more.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's take a break over your event.
Speaker 4: Error back.
Speaker 1: So Adebio picks up Chris and Eaglely at the Silo Road.
Speaker 1: Chris is like, we got to move the portal. How
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen? We don't know yet. They head towards
Speaker 1: Settler Hills. As Chris calls Vig at the house Bordeaux
Speaker 1: is just like reaming out Economists for clearly still having
Speaker 1: a soft spot for his friend Chris and for Chris's
Speaker 1: pet Eagle Eaglely Economists spits on four flurry call for
Speaker 1: once again calling him both ginger cool and GC. I
Speaker 1: like it when he calls him G cool, Yeah, G cool.
Speaker 2: Gee GC. There's so many ginger cool. Also, I kind
Speaker 2: of love like Fleury's response to this. He's just like again,
Speaker 2: just like continues to be the silliest character in the show.
Speaker 1: True of him, he's a purely as we said last week,
Speaker 1: he's a purely sitcomcact, which is the level.
Speaker 5: It's an agent of chaos.
Speaker 1: True portal is then like listen, open the portal, now,
Speaker 1: stop stalling or that's it. Economists calls. He goes, He's like,
Speaker 1: I need some tools from my van, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: where's the van and it's like it's really far, the
Speaker 1: van outside twenty meters away. He's like it's thirty meters okay.
Speaker 1: He goes out there, he gets his tools, but while
Speaker 1: he's getting his tools, he calls Chris and Chris is like,
Speaker 1: you gotta stall them by any means necessary, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll try. Meanwhile, Chris tells at a bio about just
Speaker 1: the portal, about how there's like a perfect world in there.
Speaker 1: His whole family is in there, his brother whose death
Speaker 1: was the worst thing that ever happened to him is
Speaker 1: in there. He can't simply abandon the portal. Back at
Speaker 1: the house, you know, Economists is just like absolutely dragging
Speaker 1: his feet, but like eventually he's got to open the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can only pretend to be like he doesn't
Speaker 3: know he's doing for so long and so.
Speaker 1: But as that's happening, Chris uses the alien pocketbook to
Speaker 1: set up a new portal entrance in this like little
Speaker 1: broken out cabin they found, and he manages to do
Speaker 1: it just in time. It releases tremendous energy when he
Speaker 1: does it, I'm surprised that like back at Argust headquarters,
Speaker 1: like the dials aren't pinned into the red Like what
Speaker 1: the fuck was that? Yeah, And so back at the house,
Speaker 1: when Bordeaux and crew open the door, they find just
Speaker 1: a closet. There's nothing there.
Speaker 4: It's so good. They are so fucking pissed off.
Speaker 2: It's such a good, easy kind of the heroes make
Speaker 2: it look easy, and it makes the August people look
Speaker 2: really stupid by trying so hard to get and like
Speaker 2: it's such a good reveal.
Speaker 1: So Bordeaux calls Senior and basically tells him so it's
Speaker 1: just a closet. We didn't find anything like there's he's
Speaker 1: just got a closet buying a security keepout. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Rick is like, Okay, I'm going to talk to Harcourt.
Speaker 1: Harcourt is doing like independent amateur fight club stuff in
Speaker 1: the back of just like random bars, clearly really really
Speaker 1: going through it.
Speaker 4: Experience sabotage a high level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, experiencing like a mini kind of existential death from
Speaker 1: the loss of her career as an intelligence agent and
Speaker 1: this just like not doing well. So Senior goes to
Speaker 1: Sere and it is tense. He can tell like that
Speaker 1: she's hanging on by a thread and that she's been
Speaker 1: selling her TV. She sold her TV and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, which was I thought a really nice
Speaker 1: storytelling moment when they just like linger on the TV
Speaker 1: that's no longer there. He's like, hey, do you remember
Speaker 1: what you said to me at Guenior's funeral And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I told you that Peacemaker killed your son because Waller
Speaker 1: ordered him Tom And she's like, yeah, that's right, that's
Speaker 1: what you told me. And you know, but I've also
Speaker 1: read the files and you should know that you are
Speaker 1: black booked. You've been black booked by Waller and hard
Speaker 1: Quarter is like, yeah, no fucking shit, like obviously, and
Speaker 1: he's like, but I have a way out. You bring
Speaker 1: Chris in and then I will take you out of
Speaker 1: the black book and you will get a job again.
Speaker 1: We go to Chris and Ad Chris tell's ad that sadly,
Speaker 1: pro Soldier Magazine is a scam. They don't the magazine
Speaker 1: does not go out for distribution. It exists only to
Speaker 1: sell advertising, like to idiots, and to scam the money.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Ad then asks, hey, are there alternate
Speaker 1: use in the portals? And Chris is like yes, and sadly,
Speaker 1: I killed him. Let's not get deeply into it, but
Speaker 1: I did murder him. Uh, and now it was self
Speaker 1: defensed which is kind of true, which is true, but
Speaker 1: also like you were trespassing in his home, so who
Speaker 1: was defending in a different wall. And then Chris admits
Speaker 1: that furthermore, I am catfishing that universe is Hardcourt, who
Speaker 1: I think really likes me. Yeah, because he doesn't, I
Speaker 1: gotta close that loop. And Adabaio is like, listen, you
Speaker 1: have to just like leave everything in that world in
Speaker 1: that world, and yeah, you know, we didn't understand nothing
Speaker 1: about We understand he's.
Speaker 5: Not going to do that.
Speaker 1: Vigilante shows up with a with some doors and hinges
Speaker 1: that they're going to try to see if they fit
Speaker 1: over the new portal. To cover it up and hide it,
Speaker 1: Harcourt texts Chris to lure him to the arrest spot.
Speaker 1: Chris answers grease to me. Senior confiscates Economist's phone, like
Speaker 1: we don'trust you anymore, hard Gourt It basically sets up
Speaker 1: the ambush with Senior. We go to the woods where
Speaker 1: we see, in an incredible button scene, Saint Wilde is dancing.
Speaker 1: He's naked, he's fully dude. He makes an eagle in
Speaker 1: the dirt. He fills the dirt with his own blood,
Speaker 1: and he does some magic incantations and the fire turns
Speaker 1: blue and his magic shockingly does work, and he manages
Speaker 1: to locate eagerly flying over Chris's new hideout. Meanwhile, Judo
Speaker 1: Master emerges outside the cabin, ready for revenge. All right,
Speaker 1: seek a quick break and then let's discuss this, and
Speaker 1: we're back. Fun episode, although kind of a connector episode
Speaker 1: of huge stuff. We're certainly heading towards a big confrontation.
Speaker 1: But what did everybody think? Ian?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the episode a lot, and like you said,
Speaker 5: like not a huge amount of story momentum. There's a
Speaker 5: little bit, but it was more about you know, character moments,
Speaker 5: and it felt like a build up to the big confrontation.
Speaker 5: But one thing that I really think has been an
Speaker 5: overarching theme of the season that this episode kind of
Speaker 5: continued as you know, these tests of loyalties and temptation
Speaker 5: for all these characters. You know, you have economists trying
Speaker 5: to weigh you know, his loyalty to Argust and to
Speaker 5: his friends. He's playing both sides, and I think eventually
Speaker 5: it's there's going to be a breaking point where it's
Speaker 5: going to bite him in the as I think we're
Speaker 5: building to that. Chris, obviously, the temptation of the other
Speaker 5: universe is just pulling him further and further in, even
Speaker 5: though he knows it's not great and it's getting messier
Speaker 5: and messier. He has to move the portal. Everybody's like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? He killed his alternateself, but he
Speaker 5: just can't quite let go of it. Harcourt getting guilt
Speaker 5: tripped super hard by Senior because like clearly he knows,
Speaker 5: you know, she had a relationship with his son. He
Speaker 5: knows that she feels bad about his death, but she
Speaker 5: also wants to get you know, back in the good
Speaker 5: grace of the US government. She's broke, she's desperate. He
Speaker 5: knows how much this job meant to her, so he's
Speaker 5: leveraging that to get her to do what he wants,
Speaker 5: you know, So she has to turn on her friends.
Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, James Gunn has really been playing
Speaker 5: with that idea of this test of loyalty and the
Speaker 5: temptation of these things like how far are these people
Speaker 5: willing to go to get what they want or conversely,
Speaker 5: how far are they willing to go to protect their friends?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: So I think that's been a great dynamic so far
Speaker 5: throughout the season.
Speaker 4: Rosie, Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think you picked up on the things that make
Speaker 2: this really work. I also think that this is clearly
Speaker 2: going to be the main thematic question of this season,
Speaker 2: which is going to be loyalty to your friends versus
Speaker 2: whatever the.
Speaker 3: Other is offering, whether it's a job or a world.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty clear right now. Ian, We've seen
Speaker 4: so many people pick up on that theory.
Speaker 2: That you pitch like everyone is kind of beginning to
Speaker 2: notice that, and I think that the big question for
Speaker 2: Chris is going to be he's clearly going to take
Speaker 2: at a bio to that universe and then it's going
Speaker 2: to be bad and he's going to have to pick
Speaker 2: her over this so called perfect universe. So I think
Speaker 2: all of this is building towards a big, shocking finale.
Speaker 2: And I also I liked that it confirmed that Orgie
Speaker 2: didn't build shit, because that was one of my biggest
Speaker 2: issues in the first season was this notion that like, well,
Speaker 2: he is the White Dragon and he is a KKK supervillain,
Speaker 2: but also he was an incredibly intelligent genius, which is
Speaker 2: very much like you know how like people spoke about
Speaker 2: the Nazis who came over and after World War Two,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't love what that was giving thematically, but
Speaker 2: I really love here that we have this kind of
Speaker 2: clear let's say, it's a stepping stone to the truth
Speaker 2: about where these things come from. And I think it's
Speaker 2: really great that they acknowledging the fact that no, he
Speaker 2: would have just stolen it, just like there'll steal something else.
Speaker 5: Yes, So we learn about the origin of the qu see,
Speaker 5: which again to Rosie's point, like confirm Augie's regneck ask
Speaker 5: didn't build any of that shit. But at a bio
Speaker 5: asks Chris about the helmets, well what about the helmets?
Speaker 5: Didn't your dad make those? And he says, like, uh,
Speaker 5: it's kind of complicated. He doesn't really answer the question.
Speaker 5: So clearly he didn't make those either. But my question
Speaker 5: is so clearly all this technology is is alien technology,
Speaker 5: as we find out in that opening scene. But to me,
Speaker 5: I kind of read that scene as like that alien
Speaker 5: was maybe like on the run or trying to tide
Speaker 5: or like get away into something. What do you guys
Speaker 5: think the alien was like running from or trying to
Speaker 5: hide from. Do you think that might factor in later
Speaker 5: into the season that I would.
Speaker 1: Question, I'd say yes, I yeah, I think that there
Speaker 1: will probably be something. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever
Speaker 1: it is is the thing that connects this to the
Speaker 1: larger dceu Ye could agree, and so we don't get
Speaker 1: a hard answer in this series about it, but that
Speaker 1: it's generally something that leads to something else. I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's like a peacemaker zero, who invent who did invent?
Speaker 1: All the stuff? Interesting and who is connected by the
Speaker 1: portals And if you know, Augy didn't just like steal
Speaker 1: all the shit from this guy from whoever We're like
Speaker 1: a white Dragon zero and they just stole all there
Speaker 1: because like Peacemaker from the Perfect Universe had all his
Speaker 1: equipment just like outside in the lobby.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Like you could just go go get one and then
Speaker 1: bring it back like that could possibly be where Chris
Speaker 1: got it from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like that other al tech was
Speaker 5: like a little bit nicer than the stuff Chris like
Speaker 5: our christis too, because I had a jet.
Speaker 4: And also, like this, the helmet looks cooler.
Speaker 2: It has less of the crazy like toilet seat vibe
Speaker 2: that Chris is always getting mocked about. So I'm very
Speaker 2: interested because in the comics, basically the Peacemaker's dad is
Speaker 2: a Nazi. They reimagined him here, but his dad's a Nazi.
Speaker 2: That's part of why he's so obsessed with kind of
Speaker 2: making sure that there is peace, and he'll do anything
Speaker 2: for peace is to kind of make up for that.
Speaker 2: Something that's really interesting that they haven't played into that
Speaker 2: I think could be an intriguing note here is in
Speaker 2: the comics he actually believes that all the helmets are
Speaker 2: like haunted, and he's constantly getting a commentary from people
Speaker 2: that his dad killed in the helmet ghosts and spirits
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I'm interested to see if the ending
Speaker 2: of this is gonna be like instead of that he's
Speaker 2: gonna end up with his perfect world dad and brother
Speaker 2: in his head because he's gonna kill them and they're
Speaker 2: gonna haunt the helmet or something. I think that I
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be as easy a get out
Speaker 2: as it should be because James Gunn always likes to
Speaker 2: complicate stuff, and I definitely think that aliens are behind
Speaker 2: the because they have the different helmets in this like
Speaker 2: they do in the comics, where you can have an
Speaker 2: X ray vision helmet, you can have a helmet that
Speaker 2: makes you immortal.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing that that is also alien technology, do we.
Speaker 1: I was left wondering, like, have we burned Harcourt as
Speaker 1: a character now, Like, how do you actually come back
Speaker 1: from this exactly? I'm diming in diming out Chris. It
Speaker 1: kind of feels like a very big fork in the
Speaker 1: road moment for this character. We saw like sure obviously
Speaker 1: struggling with her circumstances, but then like really bonding with
Speaker 1: the like rediscovering how much fun she did have with
Speaker 1: the group during that party, and so for her to
Speaker 1: like really with very little hesitation, like it there was
Speaker 1: a moment's hesitation set up chrispher ambush, like unless she
Speaker 1: does something to counteract it. I kind of wonder where
Speaker 1: we go with her character from here.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping, well, I'm thinking, you know, once the meetup
Speaker 5: actually happened, she's gonna, you know, turn out Argus and
Speaker 5: help Chris. But you're right, if she doesn't, Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 5: where do we go from there? It's kind of irredeemable.
Speaker 3: So let me pose something to you guys.
Speaker 2: What if our universe hardcore is irredeemable but in the
Speaker 2: inevitable crazy finale that we're going to get that we're
Speaker 2: hearing the final three episode of this has like crazy cameos,
Speaker 2: which I'm guessing means we're probably going to have a
Speaker 2: Superman carrier.
Speaker 4: What if in all the shuffle, Yeah, Chris White.
Speaker 2: Supremacist Hackle, he doesn't know.
Speaker 3: If they switch them something.
Speaker 1: To say, we do have to say a leged of it,
Speaker 1: Like now even I.
Speaker 4: Do fully believe it too.
Speaker 2: Okay, So speaking of alleged, I think that there's also
Speaker 2: a very great moment here where ade Bio basically is
Speaker 2: like this is like that fucking mirror from Harry Potter.
Speaker 2: Like maybe you just go in and it's a simulation
Speaker 2: that tricks you into seeing whatever your deepest desires are.
Speaker 2: But maybe, and I think that could be really interesting
Speaker 2: because a as you pointed out Ian in your notes,
Speaker 2: like it could be a way of him shutting down
Speaker 2: the multiverse, like the quantum unfolding chambers aren't really a multiverse.
Speaker 2: They are just these different spaces that the aliens, you know,
Speaker 2: set up to intrigue people in for whatever reason. But
Speaker 2: I also think that that's a really interesting conversation because
Speaker 2: then what does it mean that Chris is seeing everyone
Speaker 2: in there as a white person? That could be an
Speaker 2: in trusting way to actually explore that a bit more
Speaker 2: rather than it just being like racism bad, It could
Speaker 2: actually have like a little bit of depth of like wow,
Speaker 2: that you didn't even realize it and that's what you're
Speaker 2: visualizing because you.
Speaker 4: Know it for your dad, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you can't that can't be correct, right, because
Speaker 1: the alien came through it and then.
Speaker 4: Was shot exactly.
Speaker 1: When you go in there, you see other creatures and
Speaker 1: people like coming in and out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's well, we know it's basically like, uh,
Speaker 2: it looks like it's kind of like one of those
Speaker 2: m I B like Men in Black Spaces or aliens.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a central exactly.
Speaker 3: So I do think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: I do think. So this is what they're saying.
Speaker 2: James Gunn is saying this will like like go directly
Speaker 2: into Superman, which is going to be the Man of Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: which he's confirmed will be Lex and Superman working together
Speaker 2: against the bigger foe. So I'm guessing probably like dark
Speaker 2: Side or something. But yeah, And they also say that
Speaker 2: the final three episodes so six seven eight, are going
Speaker 2: to be like filled with cameos, totally crazy, and Steve
Speaker 2: Agee said on the official podcast that it's also like
Speaker 2: so different from the rest of the show. So what
Speaker 2: do you feel like needs to be tied up in
Speaker 2: episode five so that we can go on this kind
Speaker 2: of crazy route through six seven eight.
Speaker 1: I think that Chris's conflict with Argus needs to be
Speaker 1: tied up, like we need to. He can't be continuously
Speaker 1: on the run, yes, or if he is, then somehow
Speaker 1: Argus has to be taken out of the picture. So
Speaker 1: I feel like that needs to get resolved. Obviously, everything
Speaker 1: with this other universe needs to needs to be resolved,
Speaker 1: That needs to get put to bed. And I think,
Speaker 1: really that's it, you know, I think what you know,
Speaker 1: when you really dig into it, it's about for better
Speaker 1: for worse. This is like Chris's mainly Chris's story, and
Speaker 1: so I think his his relationship with Argus, his relationship
Speaker 1: with these portals. I think we probably have to close
Speaker 1: these portals somehow, yes, or they have to better lose
Speaker 1: control of them.
Speaker 5: After the season, I think it will they will no
Speaker 5: longer really be a thing. I think, just to tidy
Speaker 5: that up, tighten it up.
Speaker 2: And then maybe as well we end up in a
Speaker 2: situation then where Chris has to make his own helmet
Speaker 2: or has to team up with someone else within the
Speaker 2: universe to make his own helmets and stuff, because that's
Speaker 2: where all of his superhero kind of bits and bobs
Speaker 2: come from. So I think that could also be interesting.
Speaker 2: I think maybe as well, with the hardcourt of it all,
Speaker 2: I could imagine her, you know, potentially getting killed to
Speaker 2: save Chris or something.
Speaker 4: As an adaption, just think about it.
Speaker 2: You can be cast as multiple people, like Michael Rocker
Speaker 2: is showing that right now, and I think that there
Speaker 2: is only so far that this character can go, and
Speaker 2: right now it seems like she's on a spiral to
Speaker 2: the bottom of the ball.
Speaker 1: I have a question, do we feel that obviously it's
Speaker 1: a very cricentric season, more so than the first season.
Speaker 1: Are we I found myself at times a little disappointed
Speaker 1: with the lack of like stuff for Vigilante and at
Speaker 1: a biotree do Like I think if you came in
Speaker 1: as a new viewer on this season, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: why are they they? What do they do? Exactly? Like
Speaker 1: what is the what's their thing? What's their special thing?
Speaker 1: Like economists? Obviously in this episode they specifically call out
Speaker 1: that he's like a technical guy and a hacker, but
Speaker 1: you see him kind of like go about that. In
Speaker 1: this episode Peacemaker, you're seeing him do stuff all the time. Harcourt,
Speaker 1: you get to see her fight and you understand like
Speaker 1: she she's lost her job but she's trying to get
Speaker 1: it back and you see you get to see her
Speaker 1: doing things, but it feels like specifically Vigion and at
Speaker 1: a bios like it's unclear, Yeah they're doing this season again.
Speaker 2: I think the back of the Amanda Waller Viola Davis
Speaker 2: contracting is maybe impacted that seeing as that was a
Speaker 2: big part of out of Baio's journey.
Speaker 4: And also Vigilante.
Speaker 2: I will say as an Adrian supporter, I have especially
Speaker 2: felt that it's just like Chris just calls him Money's
Speaker 2: in trouble this season, but we don't get a lot
Speaker 2: of Vigilante moments and he's so funny.
Speaker 5: I will say that James Gunn I think has proven
Speaker 5: at least to me with this like last run of
Speaker 5: of you know, DC Titles and the stuff he did
Speaker 5: with Marvel and Guardians. I think he's a he's a
Speaker 5: he's a master of stories. So I'm fairly confident that
Speaker 5: there's something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it's gonna pay off?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think we're probably gonna, you know, see
Speaker 5: something with those two characters, specifically maybe in his last
Speaker 5: three episodes. And if I'm not mistaken, I think James
Speaker 5: Gunn has said previously, like maybe either on social media
Speaker 5: or on the podcast, that Vigilante is going to have
Speaker 5: like a big arc throughout the season, so I'm thinking
Speaker 5: maybe they'd probably be in those last three episodes or
Speaker 5: something something. I think he's going to have something to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think we've still got We've still this
Speaker 2: was episode four, so we've still got five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 2: so we still we're halfway through.
Speaker 4: I would like, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: Love to see a bit more for Vidge. I would
Speaker 2: love to see a bit more for at a Bio.
Speaker 2: I would love to see her kind of really contending
Speaker 2: with the fact that after last season where we had
Speaker 2: to Chris had to get over the fact he needed
Speaker 2: to kill his own dad because he was a fucking
Speaker 2: racist at a Bio. If she goes into that world,
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's going to be very upset that this
Speaker 2: is something he could just fall into again, like without
Speaker 2: even thinking about.
Speaker 3: It, Yes, which I didn't even like question it, didn't even.
Speaker 4: Think about it, didn't didn't question it.
Speaker 1: I think that Do you think that we end up
Speaker 1: at the end of this season with our cast of
Speaker 1: heroes kind of like breaking away and going truly like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who would fund them, no one. They
Speaker 1: have no prospects for money unless they go into the
Speaker 1: portals and.
Speaker 4: Just unless unless less besides.
Speaker 1: Justice sang, But do we see them with at a
Speaker 1: bio being like you know, uh, Mini Waller literally and
Speaker 1: running a kind of mini intelligence and private security company
Speaker 1: record and vigilante with her and economous as kind of
Speaker 1: like the support people.
Speaker 2: I could see that the people behind the people behind
Speaker 2: the screens kind of okay, a team.
Speaker 4: But for Yeah, that's very that's a good pitch. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's budget. Yeah, I'm like put that one in there.
Speaker 2: That's a catch you Okay, So who thinks that we're
Speaker 2: getting a Superman cameo?
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty likely.
Speaker 5: I think at this point, I think it's pretty likely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it feels likely as well.
Speaker 2: Any what do you think of potential to see like
Speaker 2: a green Lantern that we haven't seen yet, like a
Speaker 2: John Stewart or a Hal Jordan from Lanterns. We know that.
Speaker 3: I think that's already finished shooting, so we could see that.
Speaker 1: I think we get the Lanterns guys. Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: and we've and maybe that's it. We've already gotten guys.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we see him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we already got guy Hawkeye Maxwell Lord, I mean
Speaker 2: hawk Girl.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see where it goes, and I'm excited
Speaker 2: to see how James Gunn kind of wraps this one
Speaker 2: up and still keeps it in line with everything we're seeing,
Speaker 2: because the the continuity between these projects is so so
Speaker 2: well done, and I think it's really given him a
Speaker 2: step up on their for sure.
Speaker 5: I think it's a testament the model that he's created,
Speaker 5: and you know, just having like the one singular visionary
Speaker 5: writing and directing a lot of these projects, you know,
Speaker 5: as brilliant as Kevin Feigy is, and the overarching plan
Speaker 5: he's done at Marvel, He's not a writer, he's not
Speaker 5: a director, so he's intrusting his plan or his vision
Speaker 5: to all these different creatives and everybody wants to put
Speaker 5: their own spin or twists on it. Whereas with gun
Speaker 5: and especially in these opening entries, the first like three
Speaker 5: or four things, he really is the sole creative force
Speaker 5: behind them, so he can really craft the direction of
Speaker 5: the universe. And I think it's showing, you know, definitely,
Speaker 5: and the fact that you know, he has Peter Saffron
Speaker 5: handling all the business stuff too, so he can focus
Speaker 5: really just purely on the creative I think is it's
Speaker 5: showing now in the quality of the projects that we've
Speaker 5: gotten so far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're joined by
Speaker 1: filmmaker and comic book writer David Scorer as we dive
Speaker 1: into the finale location season three. That's it for this episode.
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