1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Warning today's episode can you spoilers for peace Maker Season 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: two episode four. Hello, my name is jas Get Sepsion 3 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: and on Rosday Night and welcome back to xt Reviews 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: in the podcast where we dive dee to your favorite shows, movies, comics, 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: and pop culture comedy from my heart Ward breed you 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: three episodes a week, last news. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: And today we will be welcoming back our peace make 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: a correspondent super producer, Ian thank you for joining us again. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: Ian Lease, don't be peace Maker. 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 4: Let's do it. 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this episode, because again I feel like 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: every episode this season is just getting boo. 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: It's been great, It's been great. 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 5: Season has been phenomenal, it really has been. 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: So. We open season two, episode four in the past 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: White Dragon and the boys. The boys are like, I 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: don't know, thirteen and fifteen or something, a little younger 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: and maybe a little younger. They're out hunting. White Dragon 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: spots something through the woods. He fires. They here screaming. 20 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: They go over there. It's an alien. 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: Really. 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Chris tries to stop his dad from shooting the alien dead, 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: but dad does. It blows the alien's head off, and 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: when they walk further into the woods, they find the 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: portal bomb bomb bom. 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: Nice to know, and obviously we'll talk about this more, 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: but this confirms all my thoughts about how Chris's dad 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: definitely never made that fucking pool. He definitely didn't invent nothing. 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: But it was good to have the proof also put 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: out there. I thought that this alien had a very 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: similar look to Miss the Handsome, who was kind of 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 2: the chyn of Superman. Now now we know that James 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: Gunn said in his mind, Lex Luthor created Miss the 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: Handsome in the Petree dish. He was one of his 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: early experiments. But the shape of this face, the kind 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: of horselike nature of the face, it was very similar 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: to me. Also gross, really gross scene when he shut 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: him in the head like they were like evil. 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does look like a like a baby 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: mm hmm. 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 5: It looked like a young age. 42 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: Definitely feels like that will come back at some point 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: and by a. 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: Young mister Handsome whose skin has seen the sun. 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: We go to the present in the Argus Van it's Economist, Flurry, Bordeaux, Judo, Master, 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: Red Saint, Wild Lineup, and a few random argist guys. 48 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: They're on the way to get Chris and kill Eagerly. 49 00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: Economists snitches on Flurry for making like mocking faces as 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: well on the Bordo, which starts an argument in the van. 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: It's very funny and while kind of like the distraction 52 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: from that is ongoing, Economist manages to fire off a 53 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: warning text to Chris, like, hey, Argus is coming, get 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: the fuck out of there. Chris is laying in bed 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: in his actual house, in his actual reality, not realizing 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: that Argus is like pulling up at that moment, he 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: notices the bullet holes in his ceiling and it is 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: like the house is a mess, Like what the fucks? 59 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: He finds elily rating the fridge to try and figure 60 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: out what's up. But then he gets the text, and 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Chris realizes we got to get out of here. He 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: goes to like a closet. He pulls one of like 63 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: and it looks like an alien purse. It dark alien, 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: it's what. 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm guessing exactly need it to open right, 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: and he had it like. 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: Buried in the closet. So he pulls out the alien 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: purse and lures Eagerly out of the house with lunch 69 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: meat and they go running to safety. Saint Wild. We 70 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: watched Saint wild To eat some eagle droppings, which gross. 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know they were crunchy. 72 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: I know it would look like a chip. 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna say they they'm They made him seem 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: like it was a delectable delicacy for him, and you 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: know what, the crunchiness wasn't expecting it. 76 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 5: The post credit scene for the episode, they like extend 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 5: that gag even longer. Yeah, where he's like describing everything 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 5: he's tasting in it. 79 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: The Michael Rooker with like a ninety eight mile per 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: hour fastball performance in this episode. 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: I also love that he This is an interesting canonical 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: thing too, because uh, he is in James Gunn's Suicide 83 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: Squad playing a different character. So this is a very 84 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: interesting I love that he doesn't mind kind of having 85 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: fun with his regulars. I would watch Michael Worker and anything, 86 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: so he's so funny. This is such a good weird 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: character for him. 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: So in the Woods, Judo Master finds Chris and they fight. 89 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: At the same time, Saint Wilde is about to shoot 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: eaglely with his like uh like old timey western style, yeah, 91 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: like like clever action like rifle Economists knocks him out 92 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: in order to save eaglely and then Chris manages to 93 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: take out Judo Master with some wrestling moves, picks up 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: the alien handbag, and they flee at home at a 95 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: Bio gets her the new issue of Pro Soldier magazine, 96 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: which has her ad for her private security companies. 97 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: Is very terrible ad. 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: She flips. She flips to the ad. 99 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: She's so stoked. 100 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Woman has never used canvra in her life, Like they 101 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: maybe proof that kanva doesn't exist in the in the DCA, 102 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: that's as James gun. 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: So she's so stoked. But in the middle of that, 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: she gets a text from Chris asking for out Fleury 105 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: and Bardoux finds the door covering the portal and the 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: security pad next to it. Meanwhile, Economists is like trying 107 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: to convince Saint wild that, like, actually, so what would 108 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: happened was while you were shooting at that eagle about 109 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: to shoot at that eagle, a second eagle protecting it 110 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: came and knocked you out. And Saint Wil's like, do 111 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you realize what this means? Eagles are solitary creatures. This 112 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: can only mean that the primal eagle has a beer. 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: This is the mother of all eagles. I've been waiting 114 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: my tarre life. Everything I've done is led up to 115 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: this ball. But where I'm gonna take out the problem Eagle. 116 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: I love when economos is like, I love what economists 117 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: is like, it can't mean anything else, Like, yeah, that. 118 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: Has to be that because it's like, definitely wasn't me. 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: Definitely wasn't me. 120 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: I am having a lot of fun with how they 121 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: have basically filled August with like the silliest people. And 122 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: that's the only way that that John Economists can get 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: one over on them is they have to all be 124 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: the most insane characters possible. Like for me, the Tim 125 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: Meadows as flurry has just like elevated this to such 126 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: a high level, Like I love his style of comedy, 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: I love the absurdist, and I love how also like 128 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: you've really have no idea what he wants, like does 129 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: he just want to be really cool to see? 130 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: Does he want to be seen as a cool boss? 131 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: Is that why he's always making. 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: Up names for people? Like right, there's just there's there's 133 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: a lot of levels to it, and I just think 134 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: Tim Meadows is knocking it out the park. 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: To your point about August being staffed with like the 136 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: most clownish like inconfidence. It's crazy. I mean, I get it, 137 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Rick Senior's heartbroken, right, but it's interesting that his other 138 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: takeaway from the files isn't like how the fuck did 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: they succeed? Like how did this? How did we successfully 140 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: complete that mission? 141 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: Exactly? 142 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: And also like, wait a minute, I should probably like 143 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: talk to Amanda Waller about this and see if the. 144 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Story is definitely don't talk to her because we don't 145 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: have her lockdown under contract yet. 146 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: We hope your hair ready to step into the shoes 147 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: of Viola Davis. 148 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: Winning act though. 149 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: We don't have that. Don't call her until we have 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: that contract locked out. 151 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: But nothing more. 152 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's take a break over your event. 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 4: Error back. 154 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: So Adebio picks up Chris and Eaglely at the Silo Road. 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: Chris is like, we got to move the portal. How 156 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen? We don't know yet. They head towards 157 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Settler Hills. As Chris calls Vig at the house Bordeaux 158 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: is just like reaming out Economists for clearly still having 159 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: a soft spot for his friend Chris and for Chris's 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: pet Eagle Eaglely Economists spits on four flurry call for 161 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: once again calling him both ginger cool and GC. I 162 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: like it when he calls him G cool, Yeah, G cool. 163 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: Gee GC. There's so many ginger cool. Also, I kind 164 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: of love like Fleury's response to this. He's just like again, 165 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: just like continues to be the silliest character in the show. 166 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: True of him, he's a purely as we said last week, 167 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: he's a purely sitcomcact, which is the level. 168 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 5: It's an agent of chaos. 169 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: True portal is then like listen, open the portal, now, 170 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: stop stalling or that's it. Economists calls. He goes, He's like, 171 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: I need some tools from my van, and she's like, well, 172 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: where's the van and it's like it's really far, the 173 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: van outside twenty meters away. He's like it's thirty meters okay. 174 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: He goes out there, he gets his tools, but while 175 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: he's getting his tools, he calls Chris and Chris is like, 176 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: you gotta stall them by any means necessary, and he's like, okay, 177 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: I'll try. Meanwhile, Chris tells at a bio about just 178 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: the portal, about how there's like a perfect world in there. 179 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: His whole family is in there, his brother whose death 180 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: was the worst thing that ever happened to him is 181 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: in there. He can't simply abandon the portal. Back at 182 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: the house, you know, Economists is just like absolutely dragging 183 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: his feet, but like eventually he's got to open the thing. 184 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, he can only pretend to be like he doesn't 185 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: know he's doing for so long and so. 186 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: But as that's happening, Chris uses the alien pocketbook to 187 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: set up a new portal entrance in this like little 188 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: broken out cabin they found, and he manages to do 189 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: it just in time. It releases tremendous energy when he 190 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: does it, I'm surprised that like back at Argust headquarters, 191 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: like the dials aren't pinned into the red Like what 192 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: the fuck was that? Yeah, And so back at the house, 193 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: when Bordeaux and crew open the door, they find just 194 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: a closet. There's nothing there. 195 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: It's so good. They are so fucking pissed off. 196 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: It's such a good, easy kind of the heroes make 197 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: it look easy, and it makes the August people look 198 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: really stupid by trying so hard to get and like 199 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: it's such a good reveal. 200 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: So Bordeaux calls Senior and basically tells him so it's 201 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: just a closet. We didn't find anything like there's he's 202 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: just got a closet buying a security keepout. I don't know. 203 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Rick is like, Okay, I'm going to talk to Harcourt. 204 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: Harcourt is doing like independent amateur fight club stuff in 205 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: the back of just like random bars, clearly really really 206 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: going through it. 207 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 4: Experience sabotage a high level. 208 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, experiencing like a mini kind of existential death from 209 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: the loss of her career as an intelligence agent and 210 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: this just like not doing well. So Senior goes to 211 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: Sere and it is tense. He can tell like that 212 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: she's hanging on by a thread and that she's been 213 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: selling her TV. She sold her TV and all this 214 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, which was I thought a really nice 215 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: storytelling moment when they just like linger on the TV 216 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: that's no longer there. He's like, hey, do you remember 217 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: what you said to me at Guenior's funeral And she's like, yeah, 218 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: I told you that Peacemaker killed your son because Waller 219 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: ordered him Tom And she's like, yeah, that's right, that's 220 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: what you told me. And you know, but I've also 221 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: read the files and you should know that you are 222 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: black booked. You've been black booked by Waller and hard 223 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: Quarter is like, yeah, no fucking shit, like obviously, and 224 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: he's like, but I have a way out. You bring 225 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: Chris in and then I will take you out of 226 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: the black book and you will get a job again. 227 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: We go to Chris and Ad Chris tell's ad that sadly, 228 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: pro Soldier Magazine is a scam. They don't the magazine 229 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: does not go out for distribution. It exists only to 230 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: sell advertising, like to idiots, and to scam the money. 231 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Ad then asks, hey, are there alternate 232 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: use in the portals? And Chris is like yes, and sadly, 233 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: I killed him. Let's not get deeply into it, but 234 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: I did murder him. Uh, and now it was self 235 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: defensed which is kind of true, which is true, but 236 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: also like you were trespassing in his home, so who 237 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: was defending in a different wall. And then Chris admits 238 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: that furthermore, I am catfishing that universe is Hardcourt, who 239 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: I think really likes me. Yeah, because he doesn't, I 240 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: gotta close that loop. And Adabaio is like, listen, you 241 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: have to just like leave everything in that world in 242 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: that world, and yeah, you know, we didn't understand nothing 243 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: about We understand he's. 244 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: Not going to do that. 245 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: Vigilante shows up with a with some doors and hinges 246 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: that they're going to try to see if they fit 247 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: over the new portal. To cover it up and hide it, 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Harcourt texts Chris to lure him to the arrest spot. 249 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: Chris answers grease to me. Senior confiscates Economist's phone, like 250 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: we don'trust you anymore, hard Gourt It basically sets up 251 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: the ambush with Senior. We go to the woods where 252 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: we see, in an incredible button scene, Saint Wilde is dancing. 253 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: He's naked, he's fully dude. He makes an eagle in 254 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: the dirt. He fills the dirt with his own blood, 255 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: and he does some magic incantations and the fire turns 256 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: blue and his magic shockingly does work, and he manages 257 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: to locate eagerly flying over Chris's new hideout. Meanwhile, Judo 258 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: Master emerges outside the cabin, ready for revenge. All right, 259 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: seek a quick break and then let's discuss this, and 260 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: we're back. Fun episode, although kind of a connector episode 261 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: of huge stuff. We're certainly heading towards a big confrontation. 262 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: But what did everybody think? Ian? 263 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the episode a lot, and like you said, 264 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 5: like not a huge amount of story momentum. There's a 265 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 5: little bit, but it was more about you know, character moments, 266 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: and it felt like a build up to the big confrontation. 267 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 5: But one thing that I really think has been an 268 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 5: overarching theme of the season that this episode kind of 269 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 5: continued as you know, these tests of loyalties and temptation 270 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: for all these characters. You know, you have economists trying 271 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: to weigh you know, his loyalty to Argust and to 272 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 5: his friends. He's playing both sides, and I think eventually 273 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 5: it's there's going to be a breaking point where it's 274 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 5: going to bite him in the as I think we're 275 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 5: building to that. Chris, obviously, the temptation of the other 276 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: universe is just pulling him further and further in, even 277 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 5: though he knows it's not great and it's getting messier 278 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: and messier. He has to move the portal. Everybody's like, 279 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 5: what are you doing? He killed his alternateself, but he 280 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 5: just can't quite let go of it. Harcourt getting guilt 281 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 5: tripped super hard by Senior because like clearly he knows, 282 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 5: you know, she had a relationship with his son. He 283 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: knows that she feels bad about his death, but she 284 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 5: also wants to get you know, back in the good 285 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 5: grace of the US government. She's broke, she's desperate. He 286 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 5: knows how much this job meant to her, so he's 287 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 5: leveraging that to get her to do what he wants, 288 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 5: you know, So she has to turn on her friends. 289 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, James Gunn has really been playing 290 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 5: with that idea of this test of loyalty and the 291 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 5: temptation of these things like how far are these people 292 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 5: willing to go to get what they want or conversely, 293 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 5: how far are they willing to go to protect their friends? 294 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: You know. 295 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 5: So I think that's been a great dynamic so far 296 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 5: throughout the season. 297 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 4: Rosie, Yeah, I think you're right. 298 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: I think you picked up on the things that make 299 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 2: this really work. I also think that this is clearly 300 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: going to be the main thematic question of this season, 301 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: which is going to be loyalty to your friends versus 302 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: whatever the. 303 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: Other is offering, whether it's a job or a world. 304 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty clear right now. Ian, We've seen 305 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: so many people pick up on that theory. 306 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: That you pitch like everyone is kind of beginning to 307 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: notice that, and I think that the big question for 308 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: Chris is going to be he's clearly going to take 309 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: at a bio to that universe and then it's going 310 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: to be bad and he's going to have to pick 311 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: her over this so called perfect universe. So I think 312 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: all of this is building towards a big, shocking finale. 313 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: And I also I liked that it confirmed that Orgie 314 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 2: didn't build shit, because that was one of my biggest 315 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: issues in the first season was this notion that like, well, 316 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: he is the White Dragon and he is a KKK supervillain, 317 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: but also he was an incredibly intelligent genius, which is 318 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: very much like you know how like people spoke about 319 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: the Nazis who came over and after World War Two, 320 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: Like I didn't love what that was giving thematically, but 321 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: I really love here that we have this kind of 322 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: clear let's say, it's a stepping stone to the truth 323 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: about where these things come from. And I think it's 324 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: really great that they acknowledging the fact that no, he 325 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: would have just stolen it, just like there'll steal something else. 326 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 5: Yes, So we learn about the origin of the qu see, 327 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 5: which again to Rosie's point, like confirm Augie's regneck ask 328 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 5: didn't build any of that shit. But at a bio 329 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 5: asks Chris about the helmets, well what about the helmets? 330 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 5: Didn't your dad make those? And he says, like, uh, 331 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: it's kind of complicated. He doesn't really answer the question. 332 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 5: So clearly he didn't make those either. But my question 333 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 5: is so clearly all this technology is is alien technology, 334 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 5: as we find out in that opening scene. But to me, 335 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 5: I kind of read that scene as like that alien 336 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 5: was maybe like on the run or trying to tide 337 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 5: or like get away into something. What do you guys 338 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: think the alien was like running from or trying to 339 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 5: hide from. Do you think that might factor in later 340 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: into the season that I would. 341 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: Question, I'd say yes, I yeah, I think that there 342 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: will probably be something. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever 343 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: it is is the thing that connects this to the 344 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: larger dceu Ye could agree, and so we don't get 345 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: a hard answer in this series about it, but that 346 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: it's generally something that leads to something else. I wonder 347 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: if there's like a peacemaker zero, who invent who did invent? 348 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: All the stuff? Interesting and who is connected by the 349 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: portals And if you know, Augy didn't just like steal 350 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: all the shit from this guy from whoever We're like 351 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: a white Dragon zero and they just stole all there 352 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: because like Peacemaker from the Perfect Universe had all his 353 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: equipment just like outside in the lobby. 354 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so. 355 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Like you could just go go get one and then 356 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: bring it back like that could possibly be where Chris 357 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: got it from. 358 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like that other al tech was 359 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 5: like a little bit nicer than the stuff Chris like 360 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 5: our christis too, because I had a jet. 361 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: And also, like this, the helmet looks cooler. 362 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: It has less of the crazy like toilet seat vibe 363 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: that Chris is always getting mocked about. So I'm very 364 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: interested because in the comics, basically the Peacemaker's dad is 365 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: a Nazi. They reimagined him here, but his dad's a Nazi. 366 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: That's part of why he's so obsessed with kind of 367 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: making sure that there is peace, and he'll do anything 368 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: for peace is to kind of make up for that. 369 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: Something that's really interesting that they haven't played into that 370 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: I think could be an intriguing note here is in 371 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: the comics he actually believes that all the helmets are 372 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: like haunted, and he's constantly getting a commentary from people 373 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: that his dad killed in the helmet ghosts and spirits 374 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. So I'm interested to see if the ending 375 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: of this is gonna be like instead of that he's 376 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: gonna end up with his perfect world dad and brother 377 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: in his head because he's gonna kill them and they're 378 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: gonna haunt the helmet or something. I think that I 379 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be as easy a get out 380 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: as it should be because James Gunn always likes to 381 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: complicate stuff, and I definitely think that aliens are behind 382 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: the because they have the different helmets in this like 383 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: they do in the comics, where you can have an 384 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: X ray vision helmet, you can have a helmet that 385 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: makes you immortal. 386 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm guessing that that is also alien technology, do we. 387 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: I was left wondering, like, have we burned Harcourt as 388 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: a character now, Like, how do you actually come back 389 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: from this exactly? I'm diming in diming out Chris. It 390 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of feels like a very big fork in the 391 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: road moment for this character. We saw like sure obviously 392 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: struggling with her circumstances, but then like really bonding with 393 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: the like rediscovering how much fun she did have with 394 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: the group during that party, and so for her to 395 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: like really with very little hesitation, like it there was 396 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: a moment's hesitation set up chrispher ambush, like unless she 397 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: does something to counteract it. I kind of wonder where 398 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: we go with her character from here. 399 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 400 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 5: I'm hoping, well, I'm thinking, you know, once the meetup 401 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 5: actually happened, she's gonna, you know, turn out Argus and 402 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 5: help Chris. But you're right, if she doesn't, Yeah, it's like, 403 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 5: where do we go from there? It's kind of irredeemable. 404 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: So let me pose something to you guys. 405 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: What if our universe hardcore is irredeemable but in the 406 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: inevitable crazy finale that we're going to get that we're 407 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 2: hearing the final three episode of this has like crazy cameos, 408 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: which I'm guessing means we're probably going to have a 409 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: Superman carrier. 410 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: What if in all the shuffle, Yeah, Chris White. 411 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 2: Supremacist Hackle, he doesn't know. 412 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: If they switch them something. 413 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: To say, we do have to say a leged of it, 414 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: Like now even I. 415 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 4: Do fully believe it too. 416 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So speaking of alleged, I think that there's also 417 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: a very great moment here where ade Bio basically is 418 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: like this is like that fucking mirror from Harry Potter. 419 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: Like maybe you just go in and it's a simulation 420 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 2: that tricks you into seeing whatever your deepest desires are. 421 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: But maybe, and I think that could be really interesting 422 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: because a as you pointed out Ian in your notes, 423 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: like it could be a way of him shutting down 424 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: the multiverse, like the quantum unfolding chambers aren't really a multiverse. 425 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: They are just these different spaces that the aliens, you know, 426 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: set up to intrigue people in for whatever reason. But 427 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: I also think that that's a really interesting conversation because 428 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: then what does it mean that Chris is seeing everyone 429 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: in there as a white person? That could be an 430 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: in trusting way to actually explore that a bit more 431 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: rather than it just being like racism bad, It could 432 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: actually have like a little bit of depth of like wow, 433 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: that you didn't even realize it and that's what you're 434 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: visualizing because you. 435 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 4: Know it for your dad, And. 436 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that you can't that can't be correct, right, because 437 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: the alien came through it and then. 438 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 4: Was shot exactly. 439 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: When you go in there, you see other creatures and 440 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: people like coming in and out. 441 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's well, we know it's basically like, uh, 442 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: it looks like it's kind of like one of those 443 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: m I B like Men in Black Spaces or aliens. 444 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: It's like it's like a central exactly. 445 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: So I do think that's what it is. 446 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: I do think. So this is what they're saying. 447 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 2: James Gunn is saying this will like like go directly 448 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: into Superman, which is going to be the Man of Tomorrow, 449 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: which he's confirmed will be Lex and Superman working together 450 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: against the bigger foe. So I'm guessing probably like dark 451 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: Side or something. But yeah, And they also say that 452 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: the final three episodes so six seven eight, are going 453 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: to be like filled with cameos, totally crazy, and Steve 454 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: Agee said on the official podcast that it's also like 455 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: so different from the rest of the show. So what 456 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: do you feel like needs to be tied up in 457 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: episode five so that we can go on this kind 458 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 2: of crazy route through six seven eight. 459 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: I think that Chris's conflict with Argus needs to be 460 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: tied up, like we need to. He can't be continuously 461 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: on the run, yes, or if he is, then somehow 462 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: Argus has to be taken out of the picture. So 463 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that needs to get resolved. Obviously, everything 464 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: with this other universe needs to needs to be resolved, 465 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: That needs to get put to bed. And I think, 466 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: really that's it, you know, I think what you know, 467 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: when you really dig into it, it's about for better 468 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: for worse. This is like Chris's mainly Chris's story, and 469 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: so I think his his relationship with Argus, his relationship 470 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: with these portals. I think we probably have to close 471 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: these portals somehow, yes, or they have to better lose 472 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: control of them. 473 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: After the season, I think it will they will no 474 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 5: longer really be a thing. I think, just to tidy 475 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 5: that up, tighten it up. 476 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: And then maybe as well we end up in a 477 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: situation then where Chris has to make his own helmet 478 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: or has to team up with someone else within the 479 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 2: universe to make his own helmets and stuff, because that's 480 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: where all of his superhero kind of bits and bobs 481 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: come from. So I think that could also be interesting. 482 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: I think maybe as well, with the hardcourt of it all, 483 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: I could imagine her, you know, potentially getting killed to 484 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: save Chris or something. 485 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 4: As an adaption, just think about it. 486 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: You can be cast as multiple people, like Michael Rocker 487 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: is showing that right now, and I think that there 488 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: is only so far that this character can go, and 489 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: right now it seems like she's on a spiral to 490 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: the bottom of the ball. 491 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: I have a question, do we feel that obviously it's 492 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: a very cricentric season, more so than the first season. 493 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Are we I found myself at times a little disappointed 494 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: with the lack of like stuff for Vigilante and at 495 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: a biotree do Like I think if you came in 496 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: as a new viewer on this season, you'd be like, 497 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: why are they they? What do they do? Exactly? Like 498 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: what is the what's their thing? What's their special thing? 499 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: Like economists? Obviously in this episode they specifically call out 500 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: that he's like a technical guy and a hacker, but 501 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: you see him kind of like go about that. In 502 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: this episode Peacemaker, you're seeing him do stuff all the time. Harcourt, 503 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: you get to see her fight and you understand like 504 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: she she's lost her job but she's trying to get 505 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: it back and you see you get to see her 506 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: doing things, but it feels like specifically Vigion and at 507 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: a bios like it's unclear, Yeah they're doing this season again. 508 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: I think the back of the Amanda Waller Viola Davis 509 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: contracting is maybe impacted that seeing as that was a 510 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: big part of out of Baio's journey. 511 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 4: And also Vigilante. 512 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: I will say as an Adrian supporter, I have especially 513 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: felt that it's just like Chris just calls him Money's 514 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: in trouble this season, but we don't get a lot 515 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: of Vigilante moments and he's so funny. 516 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: I will say that James Gunn I think has proven 517 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 5: at least to me with this like last run of 518 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: of you know, DC Titles and the stuff he did 519 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 5: with Marvel and Guardians. I think he's a he's a 520 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: he's a master of stories. So I'm fairly confident that 521 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 5: there's something. 522 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it's gonna pay off? 523 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think we're probably gonna, you know, see 524 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 5: something with those two characters, specifically maybe in his last 525 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 5: three episodes. And if I'm not mistaken, I think James 526 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 5: Gunn has said previously, like maybe either on social media 527 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 5: or on the podcast, that Vigilante is going to have 528 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 5: like a big arc throughout the season, so I'm thinking 529 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 5: maybe they'd probably be in those last three episodes or 530 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: something something. I think he's going to have something to do. 531 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think we've still got We've still this 532 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: was episode four, so we've still got five, six, seven, eight, 533 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: so we still we're halfway through. 534 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: I would like, Yeah, I would. 535 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: Love to see a bit more for Vidge. I would 536 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: love to see a bit more for at a Bio. 537 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: I would love to see her kind of really contending 538 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: with the fact that after last season where we had 539 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: to Chris had to get over the fact he needed 540 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: to kill his own dad because he was a fucking 541 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: racist at a Bio. If she goes into that world, 542 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure she's going to be very upset that this 543 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: is something he could just fall into again, like without 544 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: even thinking about. 545 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: It, Yes, which I didn't even like question it, didn't even. 546 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: Think about it, didn't didn't question it. 547 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that Do you think that we end up 548 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: at the end of this season with our cast of 549 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: heroes kind of like breaking away and going truly like, 550 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't know who would fund them, no one. They 551 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: have no prospects for money unless they go into the 552 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: portals and. 553 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: Just unless unless less besides. 554 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: Justice sang, But do we see them with at a 555 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: bio being like you know, uh, Mini Waller literally and 556 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: running a kind of mini intelligence and private security company 557 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: record and vigilante with her and economous as kind of 558 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: like the support people. 559 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: I could see that the people behind the people behind 560 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: the screens kind of okay, a team. 561 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 4: But for Yeah, that's very that's a good pitch. Yeah, 562 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: that's budget. Yeah, I'm like put that one in there. 563 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: That's a catch you Okay, So who thinks that we're 564 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: getting a Superman cameo? 565 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty likely. 566 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 5: I think at this point, I think it's pretty likely. 567 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it feels likely as well. 568 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: Any what do you think of potential to see like 569 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: a green Lantern that we haven't seen yet, like a 570 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: John Stewart or a Hal Jordan from Lanterns. We know that. 571 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: I think that's already finished shooting, so we could see that. 572 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: I think we get the Lanterns guys. Yeah, and maybe 573 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: and we've and maybe that's it. We've already gotten guys. 574 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 1: So I don't think we see him. 575 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we already got guy Hawkeye Maxwell Lord, I mean 576 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: hawk Girl. 577 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm I'm excited. 578 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see where it goes, and I'm excited 579 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: to see how James Gunn kind of wraps this one 580 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: up and still keeps it in line with everything we're seeing, 581 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: because the the continuity between these projects is so so 582 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: well done, and I think it's really given him a 583 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: step up on their for sure. 584 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 5: I think it's a testament the model that he's created, 585 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 5: and you know, just having like the one singular visionary 586 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 5: writing and directing a lot of these projects, you know, 587 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 5: as brilliant as Kevin Feigy is, and the overarching plan 588 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 5: he's done at Marvel, He's not a writer, he's not 589 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 5: a director, so he's intrusting his plan or his vision 590 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 5: to all these different creatives and everybody wants to put 591 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 5: their own spin or twists on it. Whereas with gun 592 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 5: and especially in these opening entries, the first like three 593 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 5: or four things, he really is the sole creative force 594 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 5: behind them, so he can really craft the direction of 595 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: the universe. And I think it's showing, you know, definitely, 596 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 5: and the fact that you know, he has Peter Saffron 597 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 5: handling all the business stuff too, so he can focus 598 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 5: really just purely on the creative I think is it's 599 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 5: showing now in the quality of the projects that we've 600 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 5: gotten so far. 601 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. 602 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 5: Well. 603 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're joined by 604 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: filmmaker and comic book writer David Scorer as we dive 605 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: into the finale location season three. 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