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Speaker 1: and this is body Backs. There was a movie I

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Speaker 2: The thing about the Gilbert Goons, it's Gilbert Arizona. See

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Speaker 2: this one incident that took place during a Halloween party

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Speaker 2: If this was your child, your grandchild, You're you know,

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Speaker 1: But you know, Dave, there's one little piece to this

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Speaker 2: And again I go back to nobody willing to stand

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, and right you are. And I'm glad

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Speaker 1: But it's almost like you're advertising it, you know that

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Speaker 2: That, right, that's the key though, it's the group thin.

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Speaker 2: You know, when my kids were growing up and I

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Speaker 2: I expected better than that, but I always made them drive.

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Speaker 2: And the reason is you can always leave and come home.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to ever have an excuse that

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much they can. I go back to

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Speaker 1: What's what's really interesting about this Dave is that the

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Speaker 2: But everybody knew about the fight. The coaches knew about

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Speaker 1: I think that on top of this, we've got a

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Speaker 1: And you know, Preston at that moment time became an object.

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Speaker 1: he is is being assaulted, I think is very important

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00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: to understand too, the dynamic because out of Preston's little

431
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: group that he was with at that party that night,

432
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: his group was terrified and they fled. But the one

433
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: thing that they apparently caught a glimpse of and they

434
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: looked back, Preston is being assaulted. They stated that it

435
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: looked like eleven to fifteen people that were essentially engaging

436
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: this kind of taking turns or observing. And you know,

437
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: when you've got a group of people that are assaulting him,

438
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: they do talk extensively about him being kicked in the

439
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: abdomen and what can happen as a result of this

440
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: type of blunt force trauma. And we're just I'm simply

441
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: focusing on the abdomen right now.

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00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: That's right, Joe. I'm not interrupting. I just I want

443
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: to point that out because that's what got me. I thought.

444
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: I know that he died, and I know the overall,

445
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: but I've been hitting the head. I've been hitting the back,

446
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: I've been hitting in the gut. And I will tell

447
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: you that getting hit in the stomach and being pummeled there,

448
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff going

449
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: on there that you can do a lot of damage

450
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: to somebody where they can't get up.

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is. And look, he's going to have closed

452
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: head injuries too. He'll have multiple contusions all over his body,

453
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: these little focal areas of these little strike points, and

454
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: they're going to all look a little bit different. But

455
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: let's just kind of talk about the abdomen right now,

456
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: because I've had cases where people have been have sustained

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00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: severe blunt force trauma the abdomen, and many times you'll

458
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: see it, particularly in motor vehicle accidents. If you have

459
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: an unbelted subject and there are a lot of these

460
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: kind of you can have tears in the mesentry they

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00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: refer to. And the gut itself is covered in blood vessels.

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00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that trauma surgery involving the

463
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: goat is so difficult to kind of perform is that

464
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: there are all these little microvessels that are contained in there,

465
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: and if one of these things gets ruptured, you might

466
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: not be able to assess precisely where the bleed is.

467
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of it's going to be depended upon

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Speaker 1: how long it took for Preston, in his unconscious state,

469
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: to be transported from the scene to a hospital where

470
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: they could begin to render care. And if you again

471
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: begin to marry those insults in his stomach to whatever

472
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: he sustained, perhaps also in the chest, and in addition,

473
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: certainly in the head, you can have an individual that

474
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: won't show a single drop of blood externally, okay, but

475
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: you can have these little tears that are taking place

476
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: throughout the body. Now, it's important to understand that pressing

477
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: essentially lingered for two days in that hospital. You know,

478
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and many people you know probably can't identify with this.

479
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure that some of our friends possibly can what

480
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: it's like to go to the bedside of a loved

481
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: one in ICU. They're unconscious. You've got all this machinery

482
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: around you, and can you imagine you know you don't

483
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't get up one morning and realize that you know,

484
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: you don't have have this moment in time where you

485
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: realize that, Okay, the day is the last time I

486
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: will see my sixteen yaral son, who's just by the

487
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: way turned sixteen, in an upright state of orientation where

488
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: we can make eye contact and we can talk, and

489
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: he has his faculties. By who wakes up one morning

490
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: and you know, has that thought that this will be

491
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: the last time I talked to this child, and it

492
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: would the event itself would have been so markedly painful.

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00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: It's almost on one level, it's almost merciful that he

494
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: lost consciousness, I think, and the trauma would have been

495
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: so extensive. You know, we're not talking about somebody that

496
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: came in with lead pipes or baseball bats or anything

497
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: like this. We're talking about teenagers who use their hands,

498
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: their fists rather and their feet in order to attack him.

499
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: And many times with these kinds of events, which I've

500
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: seen individuals that have literally been kicked to death, you

501
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: don't only have kicking, but you have stomping that goes

502
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: on too. And I'm going to be very curious to

503
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: see from an evidentiary standpoint if Preston's body reveals any

504
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: kind of pattern injuries that we might see, say related

505
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: to the sole of a shoe, which you can actually

506
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: see on the soft portion, you know, the belly itself.

507
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: You can actually see this and many times now, just

508
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: so that folks understand, you have if you have, say

509
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: the sole of a shoe on bear skin, you'll have

510
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: this kind of you'll have a contusion or bruise, but

511
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: it'll also have an ubraided pattern to it. But if

512
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: you're closed, you might not be able to pick up

513
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: on the pattern of the shoe, but you can see

514
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: the outline of a shoe perhaps, or get that kind

515
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: of idea, And wouldn't that be really incredible for the

516
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: investigators If they can tie that back to say, shoe sizes.

517
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: If they have videography in a case like this, they

518
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: can look at each one of these strikes. If those

519
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: strikes that they have videotape of. Now just follow my

520
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: logic here. If those strikes that they have videotape of

521
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: are demonstrated in court, and you have a forensic pathologist

522
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: that says, okay, he had an underlying hemorrhage that was

523
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: specific to this area, and if you'll look at frame

524
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: such and such, you can see this individual right here

525
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: struck this blow, whereas you might have somebody else that

526
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: just walked up and slapped him. It doesn't mean that

527
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: they're not guilty. It just means that you can actually

528
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: pin this to an individual that either struck ing multiple times,

529
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: or you've got a connectivity through video evidence of him

530
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: being struck in a specific area that led to a

531
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: major bleed that wound up in Preston's death.

532
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: Of course, now, when Preston was taken to the ground tonight,

533
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: I've wondered this again because none of his friends stayed.

534
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: They fled in fear. I don't hold them in any way.

535
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: I'm not sixteen, and I don't know what I would

536
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 2: have done. But I think about how quickly was Preston

537
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: Lord overcome. How quickly when we're talking about ten to

538
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: fifteen people that are piling on, how quickly was he

539
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: unable to defend himself anymore and had to be fairly quick?

540
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and again if you've ever been okay, it

541
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily, by.

542
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: The way, the real fight is nothing like in the movies.

543
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: You get hit two or three times in the head,

544
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: you can't name yourself, and you get exhausted real fast. Toot.

545
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: You're breathing heavy and sweating within thirty seconds. And when

546
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: you've got guys taking turns.

547
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: Yeah and again, they're fresh, they're fresh. And this isn't

548
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: It's not like Preston is somebody like a professional fighter

549
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: that knows how to take a blow. Okay, because if

550
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: you've been in the ring, boxers, UFC people, they know

551
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: actually how to take a blow. Now you can see them,

552
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: not silly. There's all kinds of videos like that that

553
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: are out there. However, you get a kid that's this

554
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: defenseless and you have he's beset on all sides by

555
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: a pack of teenagers that are kicking him and hitting him, simultaneously,

556
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily think that this is done in

557
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: a vacuum where it's like, Okay, you know a person a,

558
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: it's your turn, it's your turn. Now it's your turn. No,

559
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: they're attacking him simultaneously, And I don't know. I think

560
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: that just thinking about this, I think that there was

561
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: probably a level of gettiness and laughter that was probably

562
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: going on around this not being able to appreciate for

563
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I don't know the path that they're headed

564
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: down with this young man. And then again with you know,

565
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: Preston's group had talked about the number of people that

566
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: were involved in this, and as they're fleeing, and I'm

567
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: really thinking, out of that big group of people, out

568
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: of that big group of people, you're going to tell

569
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: me that there were not one, two, three, maybe four

570
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: people that had one single iota of compassion and wanted

571
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: to display mercy and extend mercy to Preston. Instead, it

572
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: took weeks and weeks and weeks to finally affect the arrest.

573
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something, and justice is coming

574
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: and we'll find out all of the details when it does.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body packs,