WEBVTT - Part Two: The Fake Bomb Detector Grift That Killed Hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the

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<v Speaker 2>very worst people in all of history, and this week

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<v Speaker 2>we are telling the story of a fake bomb detector

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not getting a shitload of people killed thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to the IDEO motor effect, and how that's weirdly relevant

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<v Speaker 2>to our current moment in American culture. AI all this

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff to talk with me about that. Ed zitron Ed,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ed you're the host of the Better Offline podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>how are you feeling about the IDEO motor effect and

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<v Speaker 2>people being able to know what's real?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm amazed by Clever Hans. I think Clever Hans is

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<v Speaker 3>a hero who was unfairly eaten my German soldiers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it was just desperation and not a punishment, but

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<v Speaker 2>it does in the articles read a little bit like

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<v Speaker 2>because they found out he wasn't really smartness sent him

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<v Speaker 2>off to die.

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<v Speaker 3>You were, Hans.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man. So we ended last episode by introducing the Gopher,

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<v Speaker 2>a gag gift that claimed to help you locate lost

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<v Speaker 2>golf balls, using the magic of the IDEO motor effect

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<v Speaker 2>into tricking people into thinking it was not an empty

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<v Speaker 2>plastic box with an antenna. If you read the fine

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<v Speaker 2>print at the end of those magazine ads that Sovie

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<v Speaker 2>displayed last episode, you'll see that the manufacturer bragg that

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<v Speaker 2>the Gopher was totally shock proof with solid state construction

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<v Speaker 2>and no moving parts, because again it's empty, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in the body.

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<v Speaker 3>Was shock proof something that was going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a common problem with You can still.

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<v Speaker 1>Get one of those on eBay, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's like if you drop it, it

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<v Speaker 2>won't get disrupted because again there's nothing to disrupt. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a pro.

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<v Speaker 1>Brn real for thirty four ninety nine, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a bargain at any price, Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get one on either Eve or Poshmark not sponsored.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have all the balls you need, you know, listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if you've been feeling listeners like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough balls, you know the good ballfinder people can

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<v Speaker 2>help you have all the balls. Anyway, I'm gonna start

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<v Speaker 2>saying balls now. One of the chief executives of the

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<v Speaker 2>Quadro Corporation who gave us the Gopher, and the evident

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<v Speaker 2>designer of the Gopher itself, although this is a little

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<v Speaker 2>unclear to me, but I think the designer was a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Wade L. Quaddlebaum, which I I just m

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good name.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good name episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great names in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wade quadle Bam was a former used car salesman from

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina, Yes, who founded the Quadro Corporation alongside an

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<v Speaker 2>American businessman name Malcolm stig Row. Yeah, the mess. Malcolm

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<v Speaker 2>stig Row, Wade quaddle Bomb. Great names left and right,

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<v Speaker 2>come and at you. It's awesome. So I have not

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<v Speaker 2>found much about either man's early life, which is tragic

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, with two titans like this, they both

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<v Speaker 2>had been doing cons their whole lives. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what Wade Quaddlebaum was doing when he was fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will haunt me the rest of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting the shit beaten out of him for his second name, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's just the absolute crap. Just his house and every

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<v Speaker 3>punch made him like I'm gonna call the fuck out at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least every business meeting with Malcolm stig Roe. Malcolm just

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<v Speaker 2>found himself punching quadle Bomb by the end of his ohit,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. I don't know what came

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<v Speaker 2>over me. It's okay, it happens to everybody I found. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>not much about either man. But when Quadro first started

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<v Speaker 2>making and selling the Gopher, they initially put it out

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of small southern states and it performs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a reasonably successful gag gift for like Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you don't like your dad too much

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<v Speaker 2>and he golfs, maybe you get him a gopher because

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<v Speaker 2>they cost like twelve bucks. You know, at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not that expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably because the cogs are like two cents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly. It costs like a dollar to make this

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<v Speaker 2>fucking thing. So this was not exactly the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>business that was ever going to take the world by storm.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be able to make some money off a

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<v Speaker 2>thing like the Gopher, but you're not gonna get rich

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<v Speaker 2>off of it. So Malcolm started looking at the world

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<v Speaker 2>around him in this new post Cold war era, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the early nineties, and one of the things he

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<v Speaker 2>notices is he's thinking, where else could I apply what

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<v Speaker 2>we've got in the Gopher? Is there any way to

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<v Speaker 2>make more money off of this idea? He notices something

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<v Speaker 2>which is that when he turns on the TV, when

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<v Speaker 2>he watches the news, you know, he sees a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of special reports on the crack epidemic and the war

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<v Speaker 2>on drugs and all the dangerous things drug dealers are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>how drugs are getting smuggled in the country. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he's just watching like bullshit TV, every cartoon show, every

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<v Speaker 2>like popular sitcom has like a very special anti drug episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he puts all this together, Malcolm does, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I bet there's money if you could convince

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<v Speaker 2>police departments and schools that you can help them find drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>right like I because like the canine units are expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, dogs can work. I don't think he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize what a calm the dogs often are too. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're expensive and there's not that many. I got out

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<v Speaker 2>of a dog search once, which was bogus. I had

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<v Speaker 2>nothing on me. I just don't ever let the police

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<v Speaker 2>search my cars. But they tried to bring a dog out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like three in the morning in Brady, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>and they couldn't wake the dogs up. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>excuse I got forre. I was free to go. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like, we can't wake them up. We were going

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<v Speaker 2>to have them search your car, but they're too sleepy.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that once, so Malcolm,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's to Malcolm, that's evidence. Stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>is evidence of the market. Right, there's not enough of

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<v Speaker 2>these dogs. They're way too expensive. If you could convince

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't have to make a real product, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can use the ideo motor effect and convince cops

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<v Speaker 2>and principles that the same thing that helps you find

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<v Speaker 2>golf balls can help you find drugs, then you can

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<v Speaker 2>sell these things, and you can sell them for a

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<v Speaker 2>shitload more. Then you can sell like a gag Father's

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<v Speaker 2>Day gift, but you don't have to spend any more

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<v Speaker 2>to make them. Right. Part of what's going into his

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<v Speaker 2>calculations here is that in the early nineties, more and

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<v Speaker 2>more schools are hiring school resource officers and they're bringing

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<v Speaker 2>their programs into their institutions. And where there's cops in schools,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have searches in schools, and actually searching

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<v Speaker 2>for drugs by hand is a pain in the ass, right,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if the school's big and canine units aren't cheap

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<v Speaker 2>and they're often in heavy demand. So maybe you can't

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<v Speaker 2>bring them to a school if there's no reason to

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<v Speaker 2>suspect drugs are there. But if you could put something

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<v Speaker 2>in people's hands and they can just walk them around

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<v Speaker 2>and search whatever kids that were going to search anyway

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<v Speaker 2>for drugs, then you've got a product right now. The

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<v Speaker 2>problem is there's no actual scientific gizmo that can sniff

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<v Speaker 2>out drugs. That doesn't exist today. Really, people keep trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make them, but we haven't figured it out quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>They certainly don't exist in the early nineties, and furthermore,

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<v Speaker 2>neither Malcolm Norwayde have any idea how to make such

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<v Speaker 2>a device. What they do know how to do is

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<v Speaker 2>trick middle aged men into thinking they've developed golf ball finder.

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<v Speaker 2>And since most cops and school principles are middle aged

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<v Speaker 2>men who play golf, well, you can kind of see

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<v Speaker 2>where they're thinking of file ground. So they change the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the Gopher to the quadro tracker, and they

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<v Speaker 2>make some cosmetic modifications to the outside so it looks

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<v Speaker 2>a little more high tech and expensive. They're bigger. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>he also has paper and plastic computer chips designed and

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<v Speaker 2>installed inside the hollow plastic case. Piace are own powered.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like paper. They just like paper and plastic computer chips,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're unpowered. The only purpose is to like convince

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<v Speaker 2>idiots into thinking it's real if they open it for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason. Right, So, Malcolm Stigroe and Quadlebaum and their

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<v Speaker 2>partners at Quadro market this new drug detector to schools

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<v Speaker 2>and police departments at first in the South and Southwest

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<v Speaker 2>districts in Texas, Kansas, and Florida, so south southeast to

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<v Speaker 2>say yes, please, and they sign up to buy some

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<v Speaker 2>of these things, right as soon as he's like, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a drug detector that you can carry it. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to train it, you don't need to have

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<v Speaker 2>a dog, and it'll tell you, you know, basically, it'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you an excuse to start exactly what you want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear it, right, Yeah, it'll tell you what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear. Right. So police departments in school start buying.

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<v Speaker 2>And I found an article in the Kansas City Star

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen ninety five, this is before these were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>proven to be complete bullshit. That gives you an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of how the media covered the Quadro tracker when it

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<v Speaker 2>first starts being sold to schools and police departments. See

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<v Speaker 2>if you can identify anything that seems incredibly fake from

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<v Speaker 2>the text of this news article.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Three Missouri schools will soon be using a new drug

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<v Speaker 2>detection device that some critics are calling a modern day

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<v Speaker 2>divining rod. The Quadro Tracker is a small three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half ounce black box with an antenna. It comes

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<v Speaker 2>with a number of insertion cards that its developers say

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<v Speaker 2>will detect marijuana, gunpowder, and cocaine. Quadri Corporation Vice president

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Rowe, who is an electrical engineer, said the Quadro

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<v Speaker 2>Tracker works by sensing the unique wavelet produced by the

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<v Speaker 2>molecules and controlled substances or gunpowder. Because it supposedly works

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<v Speaker 2>through magnetism, it needs no batteries. The unit's chronology has

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<v Speaker 2>not been patented because the company does not want to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal how the drug detection cards work.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a quick question, said the wavelengths, Yeah, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>came off the molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the wave links off the molecules, yeah, just in

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<v Speaker 2>controlled substances.

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<v Speaker 3>It this is straight up just this is how every

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<v Speaker 3>AI company raises money. Yeah, yeah, just like well we

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<v Speaker 3>have he's he's an electrical engineer, he's elect Demis Hassabis

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<v Speaker 3>who's the head of Deep Mind, and was like his

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<v Speaker 3>a no bell in chemistry. Yep, he wouldn't possibly just

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<v Speaker 3>say a bunch of shit. He made up history. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>what true detective will repeat this because if time is

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<v Speaker 3>a flat circle, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is and it thinking about hearing that, I couldn't help

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<v Speaker 2>but think like hearing this guy be like, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't patented it, but like it works through you

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<v Speaker 2>know that explanation. I couldn't help but think of the

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<v Speaker 2>the open AI or not opening id the anthropic co

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<v Speaker 2>founder who spoke at that Vatican event and was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even understand the mysteries of how AI thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it It confuses and surprises even its designers

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<v Speaker 2>because it really is as miraculous as the human mind,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's the same sort of bs WU.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously there is a real product with AI.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, except they specifically made it do the things.

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<v Speaker 2>The mystery. Yeah, yeah, this is much more bullshit, right

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<v Speaker 2>because there's not even like a product of any kind. Dear, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you do see how some of the marketing bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>is the same. And yeah, I do find it very funny,

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<v Speaker 2>like the idea that you're basing probable cause for searches

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<v Speaker 2>on the device, where the designers are like, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how it works because then someone might know

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<v Speaker 2>how it works.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they'll start changing the molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they chang molecules on us. I'll switch it up.

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<v Speaker 3>The molecules will be different. The drug dealers making the

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<v Speaker 3>drugs will change the molecules to give off a different

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<v Speaker 3>wife length.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it when drug dealers do that, always moving

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<v Speaker 2>the molecules around.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we gonna do? Then they'll then they'll do

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<v Speaker 3>molecule science on us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, then what fun We can't we can't have

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<v Speaker 2>to have drugs once they figure out the molecules were screwed.

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<v Speaker 2>So three schools in Johnson County, Missouri, are said to

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<v Speaker 2>have bought trackers for nine hundred and fifty five dollars each.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're selling these things originally for like eight to

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<v Speaker 2>twelve bucks. Now you're getting nine to fifty five for

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<v Speaker 2>the ones you're selling to fucking Missouri. Other sources show

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<v Speaker 2>that trackers were sometimes sold for as much as eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, especially the law enforcement agencies. BJ Hodges, director

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<v Speaker 2>of safety and Security at Shawnee Mission School District was

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<v Speaker 2>quoted as saying, if it does what they say they do,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's going to be a tremendous asset not only

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<v Speaker 2>to school districts but to law enforcement. And yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>it did what it said it did, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been but it doesn't. It's the fharanhose thing, right. This

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<v Speaker 2>is very much a thedose thing where they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you could really do all those paris, yeah, off

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<v Speaker 2>of a drop of blood?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, did they bother to do any fake detections

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<v Speaker 3>or did.

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<v Speaker 2>They oh yes, oh yes, they've got fake detections, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, oh yeah, they didn't know where the drugs

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<v Speaker 2>are or whatever. You know, it's very easy to trick

0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.720
<v Speaker 2>people with this shit. As we've talked about. We just

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<v Speaker 2>went through all the different ways people were tricked in

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<v Speaker 2>the past by this. It's the same ones in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, or the nineties. Quadro's marketing pitch included claims

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<v Speaker 2>that their tracker could find narcotics behind brick walls and

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<v Speaker 2>at distances of up to half a block away. It

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<v Speaker 2>could even what is my favorite what yeah, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>could even this is my favorite part if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to think back to uh, just what we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a little earlier. They even were like, it can

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<v Speaker 2>identify places where pot was smoked in the past, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which it gives you. It's the same thing with the

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<v Speaker 2>dogs where they're like, if it alerts and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>no drugs, they're like, oh, he had pot.

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<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't make any sense because if it's where

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<v Speaker 3>the drugs were and it was the fumes coming off

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<v Speaker 3>the drugs, that means the drug molecules is not giving

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<v Speaker 3>off the wavelength.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, right, It doesn't make sense based on your

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<v Speaker 2>bullshit science.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I was with you until the drug

0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.480
<v Speaker 3>molecule wavelength that was right, but now that's proved.

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<v Speaker 2>This is nonsense. But it's also just like you're saying that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if this will alert anywhere people have smoked weed, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that everywhere?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? You're detecting several thousand streets in every city.

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<v Speaker 2>If your device that you're using to search kids cars

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<v Speaker 2>in the school parking lot can go off just because

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<v Speaker 2>people smoked pot in the area in the past, then

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<v Speaker 2>you can never use it in a school parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>because you know what's happened in every school parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire country, kids have smoked weed, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Common sense, I fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm glad I found that old article because

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<v Speaker 2>they do prove. These old articles do prove that at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, people didn't universally believe this crap. Both they

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<v Speaker 2>give you the explanations of people saying why they are

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<v Speaker 2>paying all this money for nonsense because they're idiots. But

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<v Speaker 2>you get their explanations, which is interesting. But you also

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<v Speaker 2>see evidence of the skeptics, right, And that's not when

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<v Speaker 2>I first started reading articles about these, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>how are people buying these? The skeptics were never brought up,

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<v Speaker 2>so it just seems like, oh, maybe everyone thought this

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<v Speaker 2>was real, and that's not the truth. When the Quadro

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<v Speaker 2>trackers starts being sold in like nineteen ninety five, famed

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<v Speaker 2>skeptic and magician James Randy finds out about it and

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<v Speaker 2>he issues a challenge to Quadro, offering five hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand dollars to anyone who can pass a double

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<v Speaker 2>blind test of the device. And first off, we love you, James.

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<v Speaker 2>And second after that comes a paragraph I did not

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<v Speaker 2>expect to read, and this is about James Randy he

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<v Speaker 2>conducted a test with Missouri Seminole County school district director

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<v Speaker 2>of Security Wolfgang Halbig, who was considering buying one of

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<v Speaker 2>the units with a known sample of marijuana. Randy asked

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<v Speaker 2>Halbig to find the card for marijuana from a number

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<v Speaker 2>of unidentified cards in a series of tests. Halbig did

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<v Speaker 2>not get one correct. Now, that just sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>deblunking right now, then sketchy about and there isn't about

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<v Speaker 2>the debunking. Do you know who Wolfgang Halbig is today?

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<v Speaker 3>Ed?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this has nothing to do with James Randy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just crazy that he shows up in this. Wolfgang Halbig

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<v Speaker 2>was indeed the district director of security for Seminole County

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<v Speaker 2>back then. In more modern days, because of his experience

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<v Speaker 2>as a school director of security, he became a Sandy

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<v Speaker 2>Hook shooting denier and a regular guest on Info Wars

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<v Speaker 2>back when Alex Jones still ran it. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>major part of the Sandy Hook to Now, that's Wolfgang Halbig.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not the story. He's actually on a good

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<v Speaker 2>side here because he is, like with James Randy, he

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<v Speaker 2>is busting the fact that this thing isn't nonsense. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just funny that it's Wolfgang Halbig.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also funny that he would have fallen for the tracker.

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<v Speaker 2>He definitely would have thought this was real if James

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<v Speaker 2>Randy hadn't saved his ass. I do love that too.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so cool seeing how history is just full of

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<v Speaker 3>dulluds waiting to be canned.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Police departments in Illinois and Georgia made purchases of the

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<v Speaker 2>Tracker despite this public debunking. Between nineteen ninety three and

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six, Quadro sold roughly one thousand units around

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. This paragraph from the article I've been

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<v Speaker 2>quoting from should provide some explanation as to why it

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<v Speaker 2>comes right after they describe Randy and how big testing

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<v Speaker 2>the tracker, tests and demonstrations in three other school systems, however,

0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.440
<v Speaker 2>convinced administrators to buy the units. They are still drawing

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<v Speaker 2>up guidelines about how to deal with searches of students, lockers, cars,

0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and belongings that the tracker hits. And we know now

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<v Speaker 2>because of the lawsuits, these weren't real tests and demos

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<v Speaker 2>and these other school systems they were cons But you

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<v Speaker 2>see how the problem like, this is a really perfect

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<v Speaker 2>encapsulation of the issue that goes right back to what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening with those scientists who got tricked by the

0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.680
<v Speaker 2>table readings and whatever, right, which is, you've got this

0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.280
<v Speaker 2>actual test that proves the device is bullshit. But then

0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the news coverage is like, but other school tests showed

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<v Speaker 2>it works. Those aren't real tests. They don't detail the tests,

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<v Speaker 2>They don't say what happened, They don't analyze those tests.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't ask are those tests real? Where they conducted

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<v Speaker 2>by anyone but the Quadro corporation where they double blind.

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<v Speaker 2>They just report three other tests say it's real. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how shit like this winds up spreading everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>and keep spreading.

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<v Speaker 3>They keep doing this today. This is the AI industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, she's a fuckulazy journalism even when you had

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<v Speaker 2>all the ingredients to do decent journalism. Now, Rowan Quadlebaum

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<v Speaker 2>had other allies in their quest to push the tracker

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<v Speaker 2>into every school and cop shop they could find. Guy

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Womack, an assistant US attorney, used his office illegally

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<v Speaker 2>to market the Quadro tracker after he paid Quadro nearly

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen thousand dollars for the distribution rights in Alabama, Arkansas,

0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, and Wyoming. So initially it seems like this

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.480
<v Speaker 2>thing might be taken off. Right. You've got corrupt members

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<v Speaker 2>of the government who are like literally selling this thing

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<v Speaker 2>and using their position to conmitce law enforcement agencies to

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<v Speaker 2>buy it. Maybe this could work. You know, it's never

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<v Speaker 2>been a real product, but you might be able to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it going for a while. As Jeffrey Stern wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in a twenty fifteen piece for Vanity Fair summarizing what

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<v Speaker 2>came next as Quadro Corporation grew, Row attended security conferences.

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<v Speaker 2>At one of them, he met Sam and Joan Tree,

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<v Speaker 2>a British couple with a modest and legitimate business selling

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<v Speaker 2>evidence bags, fingerprint powder, and other supplies to police departments

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<v Speaker 2>in England. Meanwhile, Rose Device had attracted the attention of

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI, which tested one, determined it was worthless, and

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<v Speaker 2>sent out a teletype warning to law enforcement agencies. Wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a camp to England and moved in with the Trees.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't take long before a new version of Rose

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<v Speaker 2>Device with a new name was being pitched to law

0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.320
<v Speaker 2>enforcement agencies in England. So that all happens in ninety six,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI debunks the tracker and proves its bullshit. He

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<v Speaker 2>flees the country with the trees to start up a

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<v Speaker 2>new grift, and that same year a US District court

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas. Here's the lawsuit USA versus the Quadri Corporation,

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<v Speaker 2>which listed Raymond Fisk, Wade Quaddlebaum, and Malcolm Roe as

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<v Speaker 2>representatives per an article in the nineteen ninety six issue

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<v Speaker 2>of News Briefs. According to the indictment, the company marketed

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<v Speaker 2>the Quadro Positive Molecular Locator as a detection device that

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<v Speaker 2>used a chip to sense molecular emissions of anything from

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<v Speaker 2>illicit drugs to explosives. Scientific analysis revealed that the device

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<v Speaker 2>is simply a hollow box with the radio antenna attached,

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<v Speaker 2>and the chip is a piece of paper between two

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.560
<v Speaker 2>pieces of plastics. Quadro has sold about a thousand of

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<v Speaker 2>the devices at prices for between three hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars to eight thousand dollars to school district's law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement and airports.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, I know how this works. So you were you

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<v Speaker 3>were completely correct that this is the gopher. It is

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing.

0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.200
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing, the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They were small and they gave a gun handle.

0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you gotta have a gun hand.

0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Ground handle it real like whole monitors can go around being.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, get me pull blah, gotta have a

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:49.920
<v Speaker 2>holster for it.

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.960
<v Speaker 3>This shit. This was pre blo though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if any cops shot someone while reaching

0:19:55.440 --> 0:20:00.920
<v Speaker 2>for the Quadra tracker. I mean probably gotta be one

0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 2>or at least a locker. So by this point, Quadro

0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.520
<v Speaker 2>has expanded the number of cards they've offered, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>added explosives to the mix, which really gives an idea

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 2>like this piece of snake oil the potential to kill

0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. Once they're like it's a bomb

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 2>detector too, you know you've escalated the human harm because

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<v Speaker 2>if a drug detector fails in a high school, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna say obviously kids in high school with drugs

0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it ends tragically. But nine times out of ten,

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.440
<v Speaker 2>if some kid is holding at school, nine times out

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>of ten it's like a joint or something, right, And

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.359
<v Speaker 2>if they don't get charged for possession, nothing catastrophic is

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. But nine times out of ten, if

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:46.639
<v Speaker 2>a bomb detector fucks up, you've got a much worse

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Like scenario.

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 3>Here, statistically speaking, is it worse? But if it's a

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<v Speaker 3>false positive or a false negative.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, I mean that I guess that is true

0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that Like I guess both of both are bad. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>both are really bad because false positive with drugs means

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get fucked up and in trouble and

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<v Speaker 2>possibly if your life ruined over not having drugs or

0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 2>having drugs either equally bad to me honestly, or with

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<v Speaker 2>the bomb, false positive means people are gonna think you

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 2>have a bomb, and maybe something really bad happens to

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you or it.

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.959
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't notice a bomb and then you get blown up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right as the biggest story. A false negative on drugs

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.560
<v Speaker 2>not a big deal. A false negative on a bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>big deal, right, huge deal?

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Not great?

0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, potentially like world changing deal depending on where the

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<v Speaker 2>bomb is. So the Quadroe did play a bit role

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.360
<v Speaker 2>in at least one tragedy, thankfully, not like what we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about. In nineteen ninety six, the Texas Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Public Safety called a search for the body of

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<v Speaker 2>a seven year old murder victim, Carlin Smith. They used

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<v Speaker 2>a Quadroe tracker, presumably with a little Boy corpse card

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 2>to locate him. I don't know what card they put

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in there. It didn't find anything because it couldn't. And

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.120
<v Speaker 2>that's evil because they're giving you know, the family hope.

0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 2>It's just gross to get involved with your snake oil

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.159
<v Speaker 2>in a search for a murdered seven year old. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think that's evil and.

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Like take it, taking it really seriously and being like, yeah,

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 3>we'll find your kid. Let me use this box with

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<v Speaker 3>nothing in it, bit of now coming out of it,

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 3>bucked up. It's got a gun handle. That was very serious.

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:23.639
<v Speaker 2>Got a gun handle.

0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of ghostbusters. But your son isn't a

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 3>ghost we promise.

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, or maybe he is. You know, the quadro

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>will figure it out. Yes, But you know who didn't

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 2>lose their sons tragically? I hope maybe no way to

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:50.959
<v Speaker 2>not really. Here's ads M and we're back. So the

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 2>good news is the tracker was exposed and forbidden from

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>being sold in the United States under court order before

0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>anyone got provably killed due to this piece of shit.

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And even though the FBI and the subsequent court case

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>both proved beyond any doubt that the tracker was worthless,

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>some users still believed. This is a quote from that

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.200
<v Speaker 2>news brief article. I haven't given up on the device,

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 2>said John Beltzer, the campus officer at Blue Valley Northwest

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 2>High School in Beaumont, Texas, which paid about nine hundred

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and fifty dollars for the device. I don't believe the skeptics,

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the scientists, or the FBI. It may not work on

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the exact principles that the company says it does, but

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>it still has some merits, added belt Betzer. Mike Thomas,

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 2>safety coordinator at Blue Valley, uses the device as at

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.400
<v Speaker 2>a turrent for students and remains convinced it effectively uncovers

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 2>drugs and gunpowder. I did it myself, said Thomas. I

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>found hidden shotgun shells. Wow, great guys, hidden by whom,

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>hidden by whom. Well. Also, like this is just you

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 2>think that you're a good cop and that like you

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 2>couldn't be tricked, and so you wind up defending this

0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 2>bullshit device because you're defending your own ego. That's the

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 2>brilliance of any time you can sell shit like this

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 2>to serious people.

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, my job is almost as if the more

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 3>wrong you get, the more you double down.

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Right. Interesting, Yeah, it's this thing of most people who

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 2>are quote unquote searching for drugs or bombs. To be honest,

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 2>aren't really don't have a real job that actually helps anyone, right,

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 2>not that you know, especially finding bombs. That job is important.

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>But most people who can say that's my job are

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 2>just a cop who took like a class to get

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>certified to get a little extra pay. They're not like

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>an actual expert on drugs or on bombs or any

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 2>of that. There's a lot of that fraudulent stuff, and

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like police training, that's a big part of while so

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 2>not again, not that there aren't actual police explosives experts,

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 2>but look at how the LAPD, for example, handled high

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:53.239
<v Speaker 2>explosives not too long ago. There's some fun stories of

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 2>that in the recent past. And I think that's what's

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 2>happening here is some cops who like, well, I did

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 2>the training on drugs, I did the training bombs. I

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 2>have to know what a real thing is. If I

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>think this device is real, it can't just me being

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 2>dumb and getting tricked by this idio motor effect. It

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>has to work because I'm a professional.

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 3>You know. And it goes the whole way round to

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 3>being like I know better than everyone else, better than

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 3>the Feds, yea, than these troublesome scientists with their fact finding.

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right.

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Uh, these woke scientists.

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Fucking wokey scientists. And one of my favorite fun little

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>side facts here is that one of the school districts

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 2>who kept using this device even after it was banned

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.199
<v Speaker 2>was the McKinney Independent School District in Texas, where my

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 2>mom used to teach. They kept using this thing again

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 2>after the FBI said don't use it. They keep using

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 2>this because it's a deterrent. Right. This is a from

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>one school official. We're not looking to nail a particular kid.

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>We're looking to send a message. Likewise, a Louisiana principal said,

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 2>I heard that there had been some trouble with it,

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>but I tell you what, I'm impressed with it. And

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 2>this is not necessarily going to be used to catch

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>kids with drugs. If my having this thing keeps kids

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>from bringing drugs on campus, it's worth its weight in gold. Right,

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>it'll just scare them off, you know that need to

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>be real. That's a really bad attitude to have towards

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>your job, presumably finding deadly substances on kids.

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 3>If that's yeah, something you actually take Seriously, if you

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 3>have this thing in your head about how the dangers

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:31.400
<v Speaker 3>of drugs know, would you not worry about not finding drugs.

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, concern that they can't find the things that's supposed

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 2>to find, that they just discourage kids is really frustrating.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>So guy Leewomac was ultimately forced to confess that he'd

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 2>used his office to sell snake oil, and he winds

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>up having to quit the state attorney, and I think

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 2>he pays like a five grand fine. The men behind Quadro,

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>including Roe, were acquitted by a jury, though, and found

0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 2>not guilty on three counts of mail fraud and one

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 2>count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud. And I think

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the main reason why is that their lawyers convinced the

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 2>jury that they didn't think that they were committing a fraud, right,

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>as long as they think it's real. And because all

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>these cops are going off on the stand and being like, well,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it works. How could you know that the

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 2>executives are lying, Well, these cops are saying they think

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 2>it's real. Even if it's not real, these people probably

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>believed it was, and so it's not fraud. Right. So

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>if you want to know who is to blame for

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>what happened next, because the fact that these guys don't

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 2>get convicted gets a lot of people killed, mostly in Iraq.

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And the response is on the cops, because the cops

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>stopped these people from getting arrested, because they gave them

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.199
<v Speaker 2>a way out of this court case of the fraud

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 2>finding right Jesus Christ. Now I should note, though I

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>did find exactly one cop at the time who identified

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>correctly what was going on with this thing. The commander

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>of a Jefferson County, Texas drug task force told the

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Providence Journal we played with it in the office and

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>got mixed results. Sometimes we'd find something, sometimes not. Our

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 2>rate of success was about half. I think it was

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>either blind luck or a wiji board effect. It's not

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>nearly as consistent as drug sniffing dogs, but there are

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>no vet bills. So again he's like, well, this is

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>a wija board thing, but hey, it's cheap, great.

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Cheap, and it's not as good as dogs, which are

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 3>also kind of a wija board thing.

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's not just wija boards all the way down.

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Just wija boarding through our lives. Yeah, please tell me

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 3>it's not the same fucking people who do the bomb stuff,

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 3>is it?

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>You'd a hope, but it is actually ed. It definitely is.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 2>So while all this is going on, Row and the Trees,

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>that's that husband and wife couple who are selling stuff

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to cops in England. They're back in the UK repackaging

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the Quadro, which had been the Gopher, into a new form.

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Now there's a little more opacity here as to like

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>who made which new version of this device win, But

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>from what I can tell, Row in the Trees produce

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>a new version of the track or that they called

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>the mole mol e all in caps, I think it

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>stood for something, and contracted a salesman named Gary Bolton

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to sell the mole right, which they're billing as a

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>bomb detector. It'll find bodies, it'll find guns, it'll find drugs,

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>whatever you need. Right. Bolton was a longtime friend of

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the Trees, and together they all formed a new corporation

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>called Global Technical to sell the mole. At first they're

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>all friends, but because the mole was meant for sale

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in the UK and Europe, Bolton decides like, well, if

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to really get this thing moving, I need

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to get a legitimate group of people who were attached

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to the defense industry to say it's real. And the

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>best people is like, the Royal Engineers have this team

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>of guys who like test stuff to see if it works. Right.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>So if you can get the Royal Engineers to say

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>this thing works, then you can sell it pretty much anywhere,

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>because the Royal Engineers are very much professionals. Right For

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, he submits one of the moles to

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 2>the engineer's support team and he asked them to repair

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>a report on it for the BBC. They found it

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>was accurate only about thirty percent of the time and

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>could not be relied on. Now that should have been

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the end of it, right, Well, the Royal Engineers found

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't work. But despite that, the same article notes

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>that several years later, like four or five years later,

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>when his house gets rated, Bolton's helm gets rated because

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>of the crimes he's about to commit. Police find two

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>letters of support from the Royal Engineers in mister Bolton's offices,

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.479
<v Speaker 2>and he'd use these letters to pitch governments and law

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>enforcement agencies around the world on the mole by saying, look,

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the Royal Engineers said it works, even though they didn't,

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and he definitely had the papers from them saying that

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it worked, even though they're supposed to have said that

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>it didn't. One article I found on the on corruption

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Tracker claims that Bolton doctored the letters, But that's not

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 2>necessarily true because Bolten remains involved with the Royal Engineers

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>directly for some period of time after they test the

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 2>mole and find it's bullshit, and in fact, after that

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>test they will help him actively sell the mole, So

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he did doctor those certificates. The

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>first big raw for the mole, yeah, it's interesting. We'll

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>cover that more in a little bit. The first big

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>hurrah for the mole and for Global Technical was a

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>home demo that Bolton carried out. This impressed a businessman

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>named Jim McCormick enough that McCormick offers to help them

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>sell the thing in Africa, Asia and Latin America. Now

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>at this point, Bolton has started to get greedy, and

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>so has everyone else, because especially I think this guy

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>McCormick comes in and says, we could sell tens of

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars of these. So all of the guys

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>who'd been working together start planning on how to go

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to business on their own right. They don't want to

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 2>share the profits with the others. As Jeffrey Stern wrote

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>for Vanity fair Quote, the group would soon fall out

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>amid rancoris charges and counter charges. All of them went

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>on the cell versions of the tracker, But it was

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>McCormick who had the greatest ambition. By two thousand and four,

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 2>he was going around England with a function prototype, trying

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to find a company to manufacture a heavier model with

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a more premium feel. A series of awkward encounters ensued

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>in which he tried to persuade factories to build something

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>they knew wasn't going to work. But by two thousand

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and six he had found a manufacturer willing to sign on.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>McCormick was no longer a distributor now he was a

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>producer too. So that's what happens with all of these guys.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>There's going to be so many different versions with different

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>names of bomb detectors that are all the gopher.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 3>There's four or five literally the same tag, all.

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>The same sold to twenty something countries around the world,

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>thousands of them, all the same thing under different names. Right,

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 2>it's wild. Now we'll talk a bit about some of

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>these other grift mold devices. But I want to say now,

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>regardless of all the different things these names are sold under, again,

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>this is just the Gopher McCormick's variant. Like most used cards,

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to load a card with the scent or

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>essence of what everything you want to find. But that's

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>not the only way grifters tried to pretend these things worked.

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Here's a quote from a different BBC article. Samuel Tree

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>claimed the detectors could track down missing people if a

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>photograph of them was placed inside a technique. He said

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he used to search for Madeleine McCann, who went missing

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>as a toddler in two thousand and seven, and two

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>other children. No, no, it's vile.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, just if you're an American listener. Mattie mccamber's

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Galho went missing in Portugal, I believe. Yeah, No, one

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 3>really knows what happens. There's tons of conjuncture. Horrible, some

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>dickhead with like a fucking goat, like just a metal

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 3>stick in a box where Yeah, I'll find Maddie McCann. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>because it's alarmingly close to the A power in JoJo's

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 3>bizarre adventure. I don't like any of this at all.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Use a photo to find the missing this is firm

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 3>purpose unbelievable, really is.

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>So Again, Madeline is still missing tragically, so his's none

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of this worked right, But the fact that Tree made

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the news trying to find her is really bleak right,

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's doing it because it was the biggest story

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>in the UK for a while.

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>This is this girl goings the most British thing I've

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 3>ever heard.

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Some connaughts, Yeah, And he uses the pr from this

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>to sell The version that the Trees make is called

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>the Alpha six and they sell it to the Egyptian government,

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>to the Thai government and to Mexico for about three

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and thirteen dollars per gadget, although it varies

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 2>depending on who they're selling it to. Their highest value

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>sale was twenty four thousand dollars and over a few years.

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 2>They're only doing this for like four or five years.

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>They make two million dollars at least selling these things,

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and for the BBC. They do it all while working

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 2>from home. The Bedfordshire couple bought cheap plastic parts from

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 2>China and assemble the devices in a shed in their

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>back garden. These things cost like two dollars to put together.

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>They're just snapping in together and then selling them like

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>the Thai government for four thousand dollars or whatever. It's nuts,

0:34:58.120 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you love it, good stuff.

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 3>It explains how every con happens. It's just if enough

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 3>people believe something, everyone just goes eh, fuck it.

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.720
<v Speaker 2>And if enough people who have the right job titles

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>say this is real, you'll actually kind of find offensive

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that someone should test it exactly. Yeah. So Bolton's device,

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 2>after the mole, the one that he starts coming up

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>with when everyone breaks off on their own, is the

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 2>g T two hundred, and this is going to be

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the most famous of these Gopher descended bullshit detectors. Bolton

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>lucks out by the fact that after everyone else split

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>up to make their own you know, drug Detectors nine

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 2>to eleven happens, right, that's like right after they all

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>go into business for themselves. And Bolton has connections to

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the US government, and he has connections all over the world.

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>He's a very well connected guy. So he realizes as

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>soon as this happens, everyone's going to be way more

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>scared about terrorism now because of what just happened, and

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>no one's going to be thinking because people are not

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>thinking in the wake of nine to eleven. I can

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>sell these fucking things like hotcakes. I can sell these

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>everywhere and people won't even double check to see if

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 2>they work because they right. Yep, yep, it's the It's

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>taken money from a fucking baby. The BBC describes as

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>sales methods. Sales demonstrations would be rigged to succeed. Anyone

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>skeptical of the devices would be publicly humiliated, and users

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 2>were instructed not to open the equipment to avoid damaging

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the sensitive technology inside. We can't look inside. It's sensitive.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 3>You might break in. How we find the bomb molecule wavelength?

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it'll have the bomb molecular will escape.

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Every bomb gives off a distinct wavelength from the molecules

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 3>it's made of. It's so not how we find them. Yep.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>So some of the devices came with detector cards, as

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I've said, which were programmed. The fraudsters claim to detect

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>everything from explosives to human beings and even dollar bills

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>through concrete, water and from great distances. Fraudster Gary Bolton

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.240
<v Speaker 2>even charged the Royal Engineers thousands of pounds for useless

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:08.479
<v Speaker 2>cards that went missing from a trade fair in which

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>uniformed members of the Royal Engineer Corps were paid to

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>help sell the g T two hundred right if you

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.800
<v Speaker 2>went again. So the claim is that he falsified those things.

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>But after they prove, after they give this thing up,

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>like say this is bullshit, the Royal Engineers take money

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to sell it for him. They're like at trade shows

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>shilling this and handing it legitimacy, even though they know

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't work. I wonder why. I wonder who got

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>money right. I've never seen that looked into enough. But

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it's very fucking sketchy that the Royal Engineers are involved

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>with this product as long as they are now. I

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know precisely what happened here. I don't know if

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:50.800
<v Speaker 2>they just didn't know that the g T two hundred

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>was different from the mole, which is the device they tested.

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Home Office scientist Tim Sheldon addressed this sorta in a

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen BBC interview after the scandal around this all

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>came out, and said the involvement of UK government agencies

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and promoting this is very embarrassing and awkward. Yes, it is,

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and the Royal Engineers weren't the only ones. The British

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 2>embassies in Mexico City and Manila were convinced to back

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the g T two hundred and basically helped sell them

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 2>to those governments by saying, Yep, it's real. Zobe's going

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 2>to show you this is what this thing looks like,

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 2>the g T two hundred, this fake bomb detector. It's

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>got a pistol grip, it's got this antenna thing that

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>swivels around on the top, and it's got a whole stack.

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 3>What are the stickers for?

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>The stickers are so you can make your own detection cards,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 2>so you just put we'll talk about how that works

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>in a second. Actually, ed one great question though, what

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>are the sticks Because there's sheets of stickers and like

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 2>a jar that you're supposed to sticker to put the

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 2>stickers in, and like a substance in order to charge

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 2>them so that it can search for that substance basically.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.280
<v Speaker 3>And the Bross card reader, of course, I assume Bros

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 3>is the best.

0:38:55.400 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 2>The molecules, of course, molecules love brass. Everybody knows that, right, right, right, yeah, yeah.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>So not long after this point, the United States invaded Iraq,

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Bolton starts working with another international salesman, James McCormick, because

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:13.839
<v Speaker 2>McCormick has better connections to industrial manufacturers. Now in two

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three or four, By that year, versions of

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>these devices are in use in something like twenty countries

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 2>worldwide by enough people that the makers had been forced

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to devise new methods for tricking their customers in order

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to make sure they didn't catch on. Users were instructed.

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>This is my favorite part. They start telling people when

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>they start selling these for thousands or tens of thousands

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 2>to militaries, They're like, we can't just tell them to

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 2>just walk around with it. We have to explain how

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:39.919
<v Speaker 2>they can charge it, because they're not gonna they're gonna

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna think it's sketchy if there's no power. So

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>they tell them, all you need is static electricity. So

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 2>if you just before you start your shift, each new guard,

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you grab it and you just sort of shuffle around

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 2>with it to build up enough static charge to power it,

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and that makes it work. So you've got all in

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like Iraq, and then tail it all these like soul

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.720
<v Speaker 2>mangers who were just like shuffling around in their socks

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>with this thing to charge it up before they go

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 2>out on shift.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Anyone did little shuffle before they go and use the

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 3>thing that kills them.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you shuffle around and then you go walk

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 2>past like a line of cars, and if the antended dips,

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>that means that that car has explosives or whatever in it. Right,

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a positive alert, you know. Now, obviously these give

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of false positives, and when they give a

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 2>false positive, as they often did, the company representatives would

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>either say, oh, there must have been a bomb there earlier,

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 2>or they'd blame user error or the weather. Right, you know,

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.399
<v Speaker 2>you've got a lot of excuses. Oh, the weather was bad.

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was that humid. Well, that can't work in

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 2>that exact humidity. You know, you guys didn't know that, right.

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and six, McCormick inks a deal with

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 2>a major manufacturing company to produce a much larger and

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>more military feeling premium version of his device, the Ade six'

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>five to. One this was directly manufactured for the new

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>market that had opened up and Liberated, rock which now

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 2>faced daily roadside bombings and suicide, bombings and had a

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 2>real need for an accurate bomb. Detector very few places

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>have ever needed one more than A rac. Does in

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and, six.

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 4>Question is there a reason it's CALLED ade six five?

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>One does?

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 2>That it sounds as eighty stand for?

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Anything why are they what are they?

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Doing automatic detection equipment or. Something i'm gonna, guess but

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 2>it's likely. Too it's just it sounds more.

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Military i'm just wondering what an upgraded version looks. Like, yeah,

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 3>yeah well what's upgraded about? It does it have a

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 3>second thing that lies to?

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 2>YOU i think it's. Heavier it's. Heavier oh the second

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>thing that lies, now just the?

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.800
<v Speaker 3>One how did they not sell like fifty SKUs of this?

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Thing just like like they got this in pink for

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 3>your female. SOLDIERS i think.

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 2>That's how when they sell one for like thirty, grand

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>they probably just make a bigger one and say, like,

0:41:55.120 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 2>oh this will detect, plutonium like hell, yeah but it's

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a little. UNCLEAR i did find how they like the

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>instruction manual claimed it. Worked so this is THE bbc

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of summarizing the instructions you got with this. Thing

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're some fucking soldier in The Iraqi. Army number

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 2>ONE a small amount of the substance the user wished to,

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 2>detect such as, explosives was put in a clip top

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 2>jar along with a sticker that was intended to absorb

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the vapors of the. Substance the sticker was then placed

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 2>on a credit card sized, card which was read by

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.439
<v Speaker 2>a card reader and inserted into the. Device the user

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 2>would then a hold the, device which had no working,

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 2>electronics and the swiveling antenna was meant to indicate the

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 2>position of the. Substance so, again these things cost about

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>two pounds sterling to, make but they could be sold

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 2>for five thousand pounds or so on up to like

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty something thousand and one even sells one of these

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.320
<v Speaker 2>cells for half a million. Dollars that has to he

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 2>has to put it in like a big ass, box,

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Right and so.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 3>You put the, sticker, yeah by a bit of bomb, residue,

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Right and they are in the, jar of, course because

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 3>how else would the vapors be kept.

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>And the sticker soaks it.

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Up how would the vapors be stopped from escaping before

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 3>you put them in the.

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>JOB i don't know how the vapors are supposed to,

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 2>work And i'm not really sure how the vapors are

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be functioning. HERE i don't think they.

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 3>KNOW i don't think they makes me think that anyone

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 3>could scam most. GOVERNMENTS i THINK i.

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 2>COULD i THINK i. Could, yeah absolutely need to go

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>we need to go back to JUST i THINK i

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>could just sell THE Us army water and claim that

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.400
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i prayed to, it and it'll stop. Bullets you

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>don't need vests. Anymore just drink the special.

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Water you.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i only got to sell a few of. Them

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 2>at the prices The army is going to pay.

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Superior hydration, mechanisms, yeah for advanced, warfighters and it's just.

0:43:48.440 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Water yeah, yeah, yeah war, water war water. Water so

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the fact that these things now look is expensive as

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>military grade gear made them sell like. It that's why

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>they're getting more money and the New iraqi government goes

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>gaga for these. Devices one of the gross things initially

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 2>in like early, reporting is like the news will write

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 2>about this as if, oh they just are too, dumb

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 2>they didn't know that it was, fake because like they got.

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Tricked they're not. Tricked The iraqi government doesn't buy these

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>because The iraqi government is. Tricked The iraqi government buys

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of these because they're. Bribed all of the

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 2>people buying anything for The iraqi military are, corrupt because

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 2>every Single iraqi government official in this period is hideously

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 2>and horribly. Corrupt and that's basically still true. Today these

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>are not being bought because they really think they're. Real

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 2>McCormick And bolton are saying, like, hey it's your job

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to buy these for The iraqi. Army here's several million,

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>dollars and then they'll buy a, bunch, right that's what's.

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Happening they're not, Idiot they're, corrupt right. Right iraq becomes

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the number one buyer worldwide for fake bomb detectors in

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the space of a few, years spending more than fifty

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>three million pounds on no less than five thousand of these,

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>devices making the worldwide sales value of the ade sixty

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 2>five to one in similar models at least tens of

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars over just three to four, years potentially

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 2>as much as one hundred million. Dollars we know that

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 2>McCormick falls in love with selling To, iraq who would

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 2>buy versions of the eighty six y five to one

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 2>for as much as forty thousand dollars Per Vanity. Fair

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 2>McCormick was also giving volume discounts and paying, kickbacks according to,

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 2>investigators who have also suggested that he was diverting money

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 2>into offshore. Accounts but whatever the precise, number McCormick was flying,

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 2>high even by the lofty standards of defense. Contracting when

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>combined with sales and a dozen, others McCormick's income over

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 2>five years approached eighty million. Dollars so he does very

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 2>well off.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Of this in like any we haven't even got to

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 3>all the people that. Died, no, no we're.

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Getting, there very. Good, yeah we're getting. There and like

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>any guy who, buys you, know gets suddenly, rich he's

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna have splurge on some rich guy. Purchases he buys

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 2>a five gillion dollar house In bath with an indoor sound.

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>System heywhere? Else, well but he bought this one From Nicholas.

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Cage this Was Nicholas cage's former. House you can only

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>buy one of. Those, WELL i guess you probably could buy.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 2>More but he does Buy Nicholas cage's old house In.

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Bath he gets a vacation home In. Cyphrus he buys a,

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>yacht but he rarely uses. Either, instead his main hobby

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>is pitching and selling this thing to new. Marks, now

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.759
<v Speaker 2>when you're using a bomb detector to find bombs and

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the bomb detector doesn't, work it's not going to take

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>long before people start. Dying, sure we don't know exactly

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>how many people get killed by, this, because among other,

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>things in the early, days whenever an eighty six five

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to one is clearly responsible for like a failure in

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a bomb getting through, again the government is full of

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 2>crup people getting kicked. Backs so they just pretend that didn't. Happen,

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Right it's very. Easy this is also this is The Iraqi.

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Army it's super easy for the company to be, like,

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.959
<v Speaker 2>well they're just not very good at using. It it's user.

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Right they fucked up because they are The Iraqi army

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 2>was not very well. Trained, still during one massive wave

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 2>of bombings that his detectors failed to detect in two

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 2>thousand and, eight he scheduled McCormick scheduled a press conference

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>From baghdad in which he stood with the head Of

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 2>iraq's bomb squad and pitched his detector seemingly without. Shame

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>what makes this all infuriating is that the G p

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.800
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and the other precursor devices had by this

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>point been repeatedly tested and demonstrated as fraudulent in THE

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 2>uk and The United, states where they were manufactured Per

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Corruption tracker. Quote despite the fact that the devices were

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>tested again in two thousand and, one this time BY

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Uk Home office scientists and again found to be, fake

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the companies continue to operate and sell, them and received

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 2>promotional support from various branches of THE uk, government including

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 2>The embassy In, MEXICO Uk trade And industry who provided

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>support for displaying the equipment at trade, fairs and members

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 2>of the military who exhibited the. Devices predecessor devices had

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 2>been tested and found useless by The United states The

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 2>San Dia National laboratories in two thousand and two and

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 2>by THE Us Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technology division in

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and. Five SO us And british soldiers In

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 2>iraq are not using these, things and part of what

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 2>eventually causes a problem for these guys is that the

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:36.720
<v Speaker 2>SMART us And british soldiers In iraq realized their bullshit and, realized,

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>like wait a, second our lives are on the line

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>by guys using these to look for. Bombs whoa somebody's

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>got to do something about. This they start pushing in

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine to remove these things from fucking.

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Checkpoints the BBC's newsnight focused a special report on the,

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.240
<v Speaker 2>matter and regulators in law enforcement In england started gathering

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 2>evidence and carrying out the early stages of an. Investigation

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>and that's still this, time everyone's still using. Them maybe

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 2>actually ed that year they Rated james McCormick's home and

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>took a bunch of, Evidence so you'd, think, well they're

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>probably not still selling them at that, point, right, Right,

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>yeah because you'd think, so that's the. POINT a detective

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.839
<v Speaker 2>constable In, London Joanne law does attempt to stop these

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 2>things from being sold anymore because they're, fake and she

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 2>runs Into England's Export Control, law which only gives the

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.919
<v Speaker 2>government the ability to ban military hardware and security equipment that's.

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Electronic and since there's no electronics in these, things they

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>can't initially be. Banned the fact that their fake protects,

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 2>them like that's the. Original they can't immediately be banned

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 2>because they're not. Electronics that's. Unbelievable hell, yeah it's so.

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Funny this part's not. Funny all this comes to a

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.719
<v Speaker 2>hideous climax in the fall of two thousand and nine

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 2>when a twenty and this is in Like, october a

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty six seat bus filled with a full ton of

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 2>explosives rams into The Iraqi ministry Of justice In. Baghdad,

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.320
<v Speaker 2>now what happens here is a few things coming. Together

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>you've got in two thousand and. Nine the surge has just,

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.760
<v Speaker 2>happened the awakening has. Happened this is actually a relatively

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>peaceful period of time In, iraq, right and so there's

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>a drop in the number of, bombings and that Convinces

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Prime minister and future subject of this, Podcast we'll get,

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Him nori Al maliki to take down security measures And

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>bagdad including blast, walls because things have gotten safer and

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 2>that would look good for his. Administration so there's not walls,

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 2>up which is part of why this is so. Bad

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 2>but the bombs get directly to this fucking justice building

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 2>and go off and one hundred and fifty five people

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>are killed at, LEAST i, mean it is a, massive hideous,

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 2>bombing hundreds more. Injured it is hard to exaggerate how

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 2>like the one of the worst single bombings In iraqs,

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>history like that gets carried out, here and a subsequent

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 2>investigation finds that Per The New York, times the bomb

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 2>truck quote had to pass at least one checkpoint where

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 2>THE ad six y five to one is typically. Deployed

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 2>christ so we know what goes through at least one

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 2>checkpoint that should have had one of these, things which

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>meant it didn't get. Caught that article quotes A us general,

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 2>saying obviously these things don't. Work we would use them

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 2>if they. Worked, however quote The iraqis believe passionately in,

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 2>them whether it's magic or. Scientific WHAT i care about

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>is it detects, bombs Said Major General jahad Al, jabiri

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 2>head of The ministry of The Interiors General directorate For Combating.

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>EXPLOSIVES i don't care about San dia or The department

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Of justice or any of. Them General jabiri, SAID i

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 2>know more about this issue than The americans. Do in,

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 2>FACT i know more about bombs than anyone in the. World,

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 2>amazing amazing. Comments if you have met as Many iraqi

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>army generals AS i, have you know a couple of.

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Things for, one they're all corrupt, liars right And General

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>aljebieri was no exception to that. Rule shortly after that,

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 2>interview The Iraqi ministry of The interior Arrested Major General

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 2>algebrai on corruption, charges arguing that he'd taken bribes from. McCormick,

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>now really the charges were dropped because It's. Iraq but

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't take that too. Seriously The iraqi government was

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 2>then and is now ludicrously. Corrupt harith Al karawi wrote

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 2>about this in twenty thirteen for an article in Ale

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 2>monitor quote an All monitor. Quote security related ministries have

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>seen the worst examples of corruption because of their huge budget,

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 2>allocations poorly MONITORED us financial, support and the urgent need

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to build them from. Scratch there were reports by The Integrity,

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 2>committee THE Us General inspector In, iraq and The Parliamentary

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 2>security And Defense committee on the hundreds of millions wasted

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>because of corruption in these. Ministries yet except for a

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 2>few mid or low level officials who found no political,

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 2>sponsor all partisan senior officials managed to escape punishment or.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Accountability wild how, SEE i guess the justice system works out.

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 2>For there's it's a great justices in The. Iraqi so

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>good every gone really? Good she should ask the founder

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 2>OF isis what he thinks about The. Iraqi although that

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 2>was really THE us justice system In. Iraq, anyway, McCormick the,

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 2>trees and everyone else The british government could get their hands,

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 2>On we're arrested in twenty. Ten the court cases that

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>followed found that corruption in the military was often a

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 2>reason why these things were. SOLD a report by THE

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Us Special Inspector general For Iraqi reconstruction in twenty eleven

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>estimated that seventy five percent of McCormick's revenue was recycled

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 2>to bride military officials and multiple. Countries, right which is

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:40.760
<v Speaker 2>how he's selling all of these that's.

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 3>That is, coal the sales marketing expense, exactly.

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, yeah we had to bribe them to get them.

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 3>To buy our. Product, yeah how else are you gonna do? It?

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Exactly and the Corruption tracker. Adds In thailand the devices

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 2>not only allowed through real, explosives but in the south

0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of the, country where there is an ongoing conflict with

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a separatist rebel, group security forces have used the devices

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to justify the false imprisonment of hundreds of, people according

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.640
<v Speaker 2>to rights. Groups so it's not just people that they

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 2>kill through letting bombs, through they also let governments murder

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:17.399
<v Speaker 2>torture and imprison people by pretending they had. Explosives did

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of, THEM a lot of. People you don't

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 2>know how, many probably. Thousand again In, thailand people are

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>getting through, bombs detecting checkpoints with. BOMBS i have no

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 2>idea how many people in total. Die iraq continues using

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:34.280
<v Speaker 2>these things at checkpoints for years. Afterwards i'm not convinced

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 2>there aren't any in use still right. Now the good

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>news is that a lot of the bad guys in

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>this story were sentenced for their. Crimes McCormick received the

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.320
<v Speaker 2>maximum sentence for fraud ten, years and he was actually

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 2>sentenced to two more after his release because he kept

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 2>breaking the. Law his assets were clawed back as much

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.759
<v Speaker 2>as as possible by the, state, but As Vanity fair,

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>noted did not spell an end to the grift. QUOTE

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>a year after McCormick's, conviction The egyptian military began testing

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:04.280
<v Speaker 2>an apparent adaptation of acormacks device called The, seafast claiming

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:08.080
<v Speaker 2>it can detect BOTH aids and. Encephalitis Last, june thirty

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:11.240
<v Speaker 2>eight people were killed At Jenna International airport In karachi

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>when attackers with suicide bombs and rocket launchers got past

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the airport's security, force which has admitted to relying on

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the eighty six five to. One another version of the

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 2>device was reportedly being used In. Thailand mexican police looking

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 2>for drugs have incorporated the device into their stop and search.

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Procedures if they ever acknowledged that the device as a,

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>fraud the convictions resulting from those searches would be vulnerable to.

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Litigation in some, countries sheer corruption keeps the device in

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 2>the hands of soldiers and, policemen maybe even up to

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the present. Day and that's a beautiful story of a scam.

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Device ad how are you.

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 3>FEELING i hate every person involved in, this FUCKING i

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 3>hate them so. Much it's also you're, right it hasn't inspired.

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 3>People it has totally inspired me because it's like the.

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Same it's people WITH ai, especially they are, like, well

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 3>so many smart people couldn't be. Wrong actually they could.

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Die it happens quite, often thank.

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 3>You mm, hmm, yeah, Yeah jesus Fucking. Christ.

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep it's it's the just yeah loophole. Ism, Right whenever you, think,

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.320
<v Speaker 2>well this guy is really, smart he couldn't get. Tricked

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:18.719
<v Speaker 2>smart people get tricked all the. Time, yep you, know, yeah, yeah,

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Anyway ed you want to plug anything before we roll?

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