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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome home. We all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode counted, episode ninety four of Native Lamppod,

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Speaker 1: where we give you our breakdown and thoughts on all

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Speaker 1: things politics, a little bit of culture sprinkles, and that

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Speaker 1: we are your hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rode, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gella on what's up everybody?

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 1: I understand that we got a pack show today, so

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Speaker 1: we will not be labor in any way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form other than to say that investments was kind of

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Speaker 1: cool and is that you get you all to reflect

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Speaker 1: on that a moment.

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Speaker 2: But what are we talking about otherwise?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot going on in the country right now.

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Speaker 5: As you all know, we are right upon the twentieth

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Speaker 5: anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, and we have a very special

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Speaker 5: guest today to talk to us about the lessons learned

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Speaker 5: if any boy this country, especially as they're talking about

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Speaker 5: getting rid of FEMA. That man is none other than

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Speaker 5: the legendary General Russell Honore.

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Speaker 4: So I'm thrilled to be talking with him. Today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll join you in that, Tiffany, what you get

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Speaker 1: on your mind.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm coming to you from the nation's capital.

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Speaker 6: And this week the President announced that he would be

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Speaker 6: taking over Union Station, which is home to Amtrak, a

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Speaker 6: food court, and several retail outlets there. So I want

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Speaker 6: to dig into what's happening here on the ground.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so wild.

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Speaker 1: And we've of course been observing all the videos that

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Speaker 1: citizen reporters have been taken of their experiences under Ystopian.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, gangst the led takeover of an

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Speaker 1: American city, and I just want to add to the

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Speaker 1: conversation that we should warn the next city that is

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Speaker 1: on his radar, the city of Chicago, and we'll take

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Speaker 1: a look at what the mayor and his team there

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Speaker 1: are doing in preparation for and what words of advice

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Speaker 1: he has for anyone who is really truly interested in

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Speaker 1: bringing down the crime rate, not only in his city

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Speaker 1: but across the nation. So we got a full deck

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Speaker 1: on hand, y'all, Did I miss anything or we go?

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Speaker 2: We're good with those dobies.

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Speaker 5: If we don't get to it, at least in the

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Speaker 5: mini pod, we should talk about Donald Trump's obsession, at

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Speaker 5: least it appears to be an obsession with black women

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Speaker 5: and attacking them. Lisa Cook is one of them, the

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Speaker 5: only black women on the board of the Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 5: and he is going after her.

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Speaker 4: We should talk about that and why and if he

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Speaker 4: has any recourse at.

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Speaker 2: All, absolutely, absolutely, So let's get into it.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Native lampod Kay.

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Speaker 8: I'm calling him from the Great State of Georgia, and

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Speaker 8: my question is about how to go about establishing a

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Speaker 8: municipal town. I'd like to see a city where the

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Speaker 8: police force is private and I feel like that's really

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Speaker 8: the only way to ensure our protection is black people.

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Speaker 8: I'd like to have to be a part of a

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Speaker 8: community that is self sufficient, self reliant, has its own

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Speaker 8: food source, community healers, and to you know, be able

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Speaker 8: to build in an era of reconstruction, totally independent of

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Speaker 8: the government and the systems that.

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Speaker 4: Are really destructive. So I'd love to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: On how to establish your town and uh and if

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Speaker 8: and if I'm successful, Andrew Gillen, will you will you

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Speaker 8: be the mayor?

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Speaker 4: Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Not a chance.

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Speaker 1: I was about to volunteer Tiffany and you and Tiffany

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Speaker 1: will be co mayors of this said resilient town.

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Speaker 3: What you said, Tiffany, I just I love that question.

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Speaker 6: And literally as she was speaking, she took the words

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Speaker 3: But also I had that same question question.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately I don't have an answer for her, but I

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Speaker 1: I do too. I thought it was powerful Angela. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Figure it out.

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Speaker 1: But I will say most cities UH in a state

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Speaker 1: of all subjects you know, UH municipality known as cities

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Speaker 1: there are no other subject of cities in my state

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Speaker 1: or three and don't don't quote me, but but but

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Speaker 1: a very dominious number of cities are both the city

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Speaker 1: one of those, which making it the largest UH city

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Speaker 1: guessing that Georgia works very similarly, and I'll do some

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Speaker 1: verify this. But I'm almost certain that UH put citizens

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Speaker 1: in a jurisdictional area can come together to petition the

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Speaker 1: That city, then, once UH chartered by the by the

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Speaker 1: county government, can operate as any city would, city services,

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Speaker 1: municipal services. In some places, they have conditions by which

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Speaker 1: but you basically get to operate like an autonomous city.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what just happened. Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 5: what just happened with East Baton Rouge last year. I

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Speaker 5: believe so, yes, But I like the question too. I

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Speaker 5: think the thing that struck me, you know, especially as

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Speaker 5: you know, people, especially those who look like us, who

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Speaker 5: are just looking for relief. And you can almost hear

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Speaker 5: my friend. Yeah, and definitely and all in on whatever

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Speaker 4: So I know we can help her figure it out.

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Speaker 6: And I you know, look, this is happening. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you guys remember, but a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: this far right community they were building this white's only

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Speaker 6: with the possibility of even expanding into Missouri. And so

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Speaker 6: I think they thought it was going to be controversial

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Speaker 6: black people were like, bye, say you guys, good luck,

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Speaker 6: Like we actually support this. Yes, go build your white's

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Speaker 6: like it brings us really and safety. If you are

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Speaker 6: means stay amongst yourselves. My concern, though, I will tell

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Speaker 6: you about not her question, but about this solution, is

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Speaker 6: we have tried that we have done that. Of course,

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Speaker 6: people always go to Tulsa. But Tulsa was not the anomaly,

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Speaker 6: it was the norm. Every time we created safety. Those

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Speaker 6: and violently destroyed it. And the example of Tulsa, this

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Speaker 6: the military turning on its own people. It was so

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Speaker 6: the Department of Justice even found it was so well

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Speaker 6: National Guard. They were a part of murdering thousands of residents, women, children.

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Speaker 6: So it's I just wonder, is there relief for us here?

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Speaker 6: Even if we constructed a city, how long before white

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Speaker 6: why lately I have been feeling, you know, just because

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Speaker 6: of the life I've lived. I think I have lived

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Speaker 6: a pretty fearless life so far.

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Speaker 2: So far, I got a lot of life left. Girls.

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Speaker 6: But this is my point, I will leap without looking,

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Speaker 6: you know, because when you don't have a lot of stability,

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Speaker 6: and like that's just the norm, you know, like I'll

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Speaker 6: move to DC. I don't know anybody in DC. I've

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Speaker 6: but sure I'll do it. And for the first time

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Speaker 6: shout out to Rashad and Troy who hosts this event

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Speaker 6: with ten, I would say about ten thousand people were

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Speaker 6: As amazing as it was to see this curiosity around

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Speaker 6: to merge those conversations a bit in Reverend Jamal Harrison

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Speaker 6: federal takeover of DC is absolutely frightening, and I believe

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Speaker 6: we may have sound that Angela found of what it's

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Speaker 5: So for those of you who are listening and not watching,

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Speaker 5: There's a woman being arrested by transit police but also

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Speaker 5: the United States Park Police, and this is far outside

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Speaker 4: She would stop for fair evasion.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you want to go back and

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Speaker 5: count the number of officers who were involved in that altercation,

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Speaker 5: but this was about fair invasion, she said, evasion, and

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Speaker 5: I d there's all of these challenges constitutionally with this stop,

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Speaker 5: in DC and they actually are protesting as well.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look at this clip.

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Speaker 9: We are here today because young people deserve to be celebrated.

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Speaker 9: Young people deserve to be loved, they deserve to be

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Speaker 9: cared for, and they deserve to be recognized as the

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Speaker 9: leaders that they are, not the leaders of the future,

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Speaker 9: but the leaders of today. I stand before you because

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Speaker 9: DC is on us to support our young people today, tomorrow,

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Speaker 9: and in every moment ongoing.

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Speaker 3: It's on us to show up for young people, talk.

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Speaker 9: With them, encourage them, make sure they have the information

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Speaker 9: they need to make the decisions that are best for

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Speaker 9: their well being. Support our teachers, social workers, coaches, staff,

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Speaker 9: all the workers who support young people day in and

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Speaker 9: deep day out, and most of all, it is our

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Speaker 9: while they are being attacked.

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Speaker 4: Listen to our young people.

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Speaker 9: Care how everything that is happening right now is affecting them.

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Speaker 9: Care their solutions, They're brilliance, their power.

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Speaker 10: They are locking people up for any and everything. Four

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Speaker 5: The attorney she referenced in that clip is Paul Brian.

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Speaker 5: He's a corporate attorney, a black man who's worked in

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Speaker 2: An officer of the DC Bar.

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Speaker 11: That these officers are violating my civil rights.

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Speaker 2: Under federal law, and I will be.

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Speaker 11: Pressing charges when everyone who has physically touched me tonight,

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Speaker 2: That I will not forget anytime soon.

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Speaker 11: This is tragic in a country where black men are

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Speaker 2: What are the names of the two officers holding you

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Speaker 11: Officer at Costello, at Castello, he has his name blocked off.

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Speaker 7: Aren't they only.

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Speaker 11: None for thou they are trying to manufacture evidence. I

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Speaker 2: Trumpet my vehicle, which they would have.

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Speaker 11: My magazine is in the trumpet. To the American people watching,

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Speaker 11: I was walking peacefully down this block and I was

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Speaker 7: I am not crazy.

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Speaker 11: I am totally saying I have complied with all of

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Speaker 7: Being detained, I remained detained and I'm not you were

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Speaker 11: I do not know what charges. I do not know

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Speaker 11: Nothing similarly to just stand here and be handcuffed while

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Speaker 7: Will find one for you.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to just bring that to you all.

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Speaker 5: I think the worst thing is we have always been taught,

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Speaker 1: It's like they so, first of all, young people, middle

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Speaker 1: to the people who are experiencing it. Yeah, day in

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Speaker 1: If you detain me as an American, you have to

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Speaker 2: And think we can get away with it.

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Speaker 1: And I guess, tiff Angelo, I've just decided this very moment,

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Speaker 1: it is not enough to just return to a status quo.

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Speaker 1: Anybody running for an office and talking about getting back

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Speaker 1: We are off the rails here. We're off the rails.

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Speaker 1: And what I will expect from whomever wants my vote

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Speaker 1: So if you are an attorney and.

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Speaker 2: You have flouted the legal system and just.

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Speaker 1: Dismiss the instructions of a judge wherever you are barred,

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Speaker 2: You cannot be trusted.

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Speaker 1: If you are a government lawyer or a government official.

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Speaker 2: You are skirting the law. You are skirting the constitution.

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Speaker 1: You are acting in submission to an individual, to a man,

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Speaker 2: You should be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: While the court at the highest level may have said

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Speaker 2: That president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: And I know that some people will say, well, well,

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Speaker 1: how do we get into a tiff for tech?

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Speaker 2: We can't have a different No, no, no, no, no, We're

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Speaker 1: If we allow the kinds of transgressions that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: and i haven't been the subject in one of those videos.

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Speaker 1: We've been bearing witness from wherever we are around the

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Speaker 2: But this is gone. This is out of control.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, Angela, there are judges in the

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Speaker 2: This is the most blatant and.

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Speaker 1: Obvious violation of constitutional rights that I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: These are the words of judges.

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Speaker 1: You have grand juries who are refusing the prosecutors a

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Speaker 1: that where is happening when the government is running roughshod

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Speaker 2: If you're running you better say it. And moreover, when

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Speaker 1: They all have to be held to account or we're

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Speaker 4: I saw, I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: Was, I was actually gonna bring you in.

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Speaker 5: I was seeing your tears and when you know either

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Speaker 3: It's just.

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Speaker 6: Andrew made me laugh a little bit when he said

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Speaker 6: Cry because this is a horrible but it is so

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Speaker 6: Walking to the store yesterday I got back from New York.

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Speaker 3: They weren't doing anything.

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Speaker 6: They were just walking through the store and four grown

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Speaker 6: Even playing clothes, they stand out, you know, even they're

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Speaker 6: It feels like we're going through that now. And there's

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Speaker 3: Who are waiting for this imaginary line.

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Speaker 6: I was appalled at how many people I talked to

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Speaker 3: When I get off the.

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Speaker 6: Train at Union Station to see tanks outside, and so

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. I had hope.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, this is just a moment. He shouldn't afflex

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Speaker 3: At any given moment.

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Speaker 6: And it feels like and if you're in Baltimore or

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Speaker 6: So I have such anger towards these people, towards the

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Speaker 6: who has a platform and is an insisting on showing

444
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Speaker 6: those types of things. It's just frustrated. So I feel frustrated.

445
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 6: I don't have my thoughts altogether. I just feel frustrated

446
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Speaker 6: and ashamed for feeling frightened.

447
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Speaker 5: I hope you don't feel shamed, Tiff, and I want

448
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Speaker 5: you to always feel safe, you know, in your true feelings.

449
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 5: But like the rawst emotion that we have, the ability

450
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Speaker 5: to say that you're afraid is actually, in and of

451
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Speaker 5: itself courageous. It invites in the ability to be vulnerable.

452
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Speaker 5: And this is absolutely frightening. Like, we have a meeting

453
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Speaker 5: next week for State of the People and it's supposed

454
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Speaker 5: to be in DC, and I was struggling to figure

455
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: out where could we go where there's no windows for

456
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Speaker 5: folks to see in there are the things that we're

457
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Speaker 5: having to calculate right now, are crazy. It's not even

458
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Speaker 5: just simply a civil rights violation. It's not even just

459
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Speaker 5: simply a human rights violation. It's not just simply a

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Speaker 5: constitutional violation.

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Speaker 4: It is a.

462
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Speaker 5: Threat to the very form of safety that we rest

463
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Speaker 5: up against when we go home and lay our heads

464
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Speaker 5: on our pillows at night.

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Speaker 4: It is an occupation, is what it is. And so

466
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Speaker 4: we have to call.

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Speaker 5: A thing a thing, and we have to figure out

468
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Speaker 5: what recourse we have and pray that somewhere, somehow, the

469
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Speaker 5: highest court in the land will somehow find its integrity,

470
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Speaker 5: will somehow find a backbone, because I don't know what

471
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Speaker 5: other systems we have if we.

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Speaker 4: Can't rely upon that, y'all.

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Speaker 5: You know, the only other recourse as war as the

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Speaker 5: I think so.

475
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Speaker 1: It is that, or it is it is us really

476
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: getting so baked tired, we're like, and don't mistake my tears.

477
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Speaker 1: And I imagine that some of this is for Tiffany

478
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: as well. I'm angry. I'm just I'm really angry. I'm

479
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: very angry at every level. I understand Jimmy Baldwin right

480
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: to be black in America, you know, wake up and

481
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Speaker 1: what it is to live in a constant state of frustration.

482
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Speaker 1: But I'm pissed off that white people aren't more mad.

483
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm mad that we're that that too many of us

484
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Speaker 1: are really sinking into the comforts of our creative devices

485
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Speaker 1: at home and not really awake to the fact that

486
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Speaker 1: we don't have to wait for the president to declare

487
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Speaker 1: a suspension of habeas corpus to know that he has

488
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Speaker 1: suspended hapeas corpus, our right to be told while we

489
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: are detained, and as detaining people at random in their

490
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Speaker 1: own and that there is conspiracy in our government to

491
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Speaker 1: go after black elected officials.

492
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Speaker 2: And people in power. And I know we're going to

493
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Speaker 2: get to this subject, but.

494
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Speaker 1: A conspiracy because just because the government has your information

495
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: does not mean any department can access it. And it

496
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't mean any department of the government can access

497
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Speaker 1: it and then use it against you.

498
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Speaker 2: That is not legal in the United States. You still

499
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: need a judge, you still need to be given permission

500
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Speaker 2: to enter into our private records. And answer that.

501
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Speaker 1: That's the question I have as we move into the

502
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Speaker 1: topic around you know, some of this mortgage stuff that

503
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: we keep seeing pop up around black people in power

504
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: who trump has determined our threat to him, the usage

505
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Speaker 1: of government information to be weaponized against them in an

506
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Speaker 1: effort to undermine us.

507
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: Take our power away, take our position away.

508
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Speaker 1: And relegate us not to second size class citizens, but

509
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: to irrelevance is where they are.

510
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: We are irrelevant is where.

511
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: They want us of no consequence to them, and they

512
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Speaker 1: think they can run rough shot over every rule, every law,

513
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Speaker 1: every element of the Constitution. And I've never held so

514
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: tightly to a document that didn't include me at its origins, right,

515
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: but I'm holding tight to it now because it is ours.

516
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: We have shaped it and to being closer to the

517
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: more perfect and.

518
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: The cities people run over it like they like it

519
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: never existed and run over us like it never existed

520
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: is crazy.

521
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: So I'd love if.

522
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: You wouldn't mind just walking us into to what I

523
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: believe again may be a conspiracy within the.

524
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: Government to target these individuals.

525
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Speaker 5: Okay, andra'mna answer that question, but first we got to

526
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Speaker 5: take a break.

527
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Speaker 4: Okay.

528
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Speaker 5: So, as TIV mentioned, there are a number of mayors

529
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Speaker 5: cities that are being targeted. I would suspect because they

530
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Speaker 5: have black mayors, and one of them was on a

531
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Speaker 5: show recently. We're going to call out the nonsense on

532
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Speaker 5: all the platforms, and.

533
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Speaker 4: So this one I want to go to.

534
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: This one I want to go to because it well,

535
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 5: I'll let y'all be the judge.

536
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 12: Would you also like to get federal funding to help

537
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 12: put five thousand more cops on the street in Chicago?

538
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 7: Would that help drive down crime?

539
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 13: Well, Look, policing by itself is not the full strategy.

540
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Speaker 12: I understand here if you've talked about the other things

541
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Speaker 12: you want, and I said, those are good and important programs,

542
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 12: But I'm asking also, would five thousand more police officers

543
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Speaker 12: on the street in Chicago be helpful to go along

544
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 12: with all of those social programs and a lot of

545
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 12: cities are engaging in and having success with.

546
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Speaker 13: Look, here's the best way I can put it, Joe,

547
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 13: is that in the nineties when I was in high school,

548
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 13: we had three thousand more police officers and we had

549
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 13: nine hundred people being murdered every single year in Chicago.

550
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 13: It's just not policing alone. Of course, we want more.

551
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 12: Detective So of course I know it's not it's not

552
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Speaker 12: policing alone.

553
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 7: You've told me everything else you want.

554
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Speaker 12: I'm curious, and this is this does come down to

555
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 12: an ideological.

556
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: Difference between between people.

557
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Speaker 12: Do you believe that the streets of Chicago would be

558
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Speaker 12: safer if there were more uniformed police officers on the

559
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Speaker 12: streets of Chicago.

560
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Speaker 13: I believe the city of Chicago and cities across America

561
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 13: would be safer if we actually had, you know, affordable housing.

562
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Speaker 7: Look, Okay, not the question I asked my question.

563
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Speaker 14: But.

564
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Speaker 5: So I want to just I want to tap in

565
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Speaker 5: here for a moment. I know we are really triggering

566
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 5: all of our on all sides today.

567
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: This show should just be called triggered.

568
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: Triggered.

569
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Speaker 5: I got a word that rhymes with it, but I'm

570
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 5: gonna leave it alone right there.

571
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 7: So I my god.

572
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Speaker 4: So I wanted to do that for two reasons.

573
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Speaker 5: One, what is not helpful in this moment is to

574
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Speaker 5: be trying to back somebody's ass up against the wall

575
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: on what you think is going to keep us. There

576
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 5: are cops literally swarming DC right now, and people are

577
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 5: not safe and we are not saved. As Derek Beal

578
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: would say, like, this is one of those moments where

579
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: we have to be honest about what is More law

580
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: enforcement on the streets does not make safety for black people.

581
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: It just doesn't there is data to support it. We

582
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: don't have time to get into it. But that is ridiculous.

583
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm also frustrating anybody or anybody.

584
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: But maybe somebody just say't.

585
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Us the numbers.

586
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: You hit the numbers, Angela, You're right, It doesn't make

587
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: it safer for anybody.

588
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 2: I think.

589
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Speaker 5: I think ultimately, what we have here, though, is a

590
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: clear example, textbook example of gaslighting from that host of

591
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: that show with this black mayor, he's talking over him.

592
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: I have never seen.

593
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 5: Him do that to a white elected official ever ever.

594
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: And the fact that he would challenge him on these

595
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: terms when we know what's happening in DC right now,

596
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 5: when we know why Donald Trump is targeting them, it

597
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: is absolutely ridiculous. It is absolutely disrespectful, disrespectful, and there

598
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: should be some statement from the network that apologizes to

599
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 5: Brandon Johnson for what happened on the air.

600
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Speaker 4: It is absolutely ridiculous.

601
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Speaker 5: I also just want to say this, I want for

602
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Speaker 5: the mayors, especially because in a lot of ways you

603
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: all are the front line, and a lot of ways

604
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 5: y'all are our last hope. Maybe with the governors and

605
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 5: attorney generals two those who are willing, but I want

606
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Speaker 5: you to lean into what it means to trust in

607
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Speaker 5: a system that is supposed to work.

608
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Speaker 4: I want you to challenge hosts.

609
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: I want you to use your press conferences to absolutely

610
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: talk about how the system is supposed to work, what

611
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: the protections are supposed to be. And I'm saying supposed

612
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 5: to because we know that they never were designed this

613
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Speaker 5: way and we're seeing just how fragile they were.

614
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Speaker 4: So that's my only thing, y'all.

615
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: But I wanted to play that because it just infuriated

616
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Speaker 5: me to watch that.

617
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Speaker 6: I wish that Joe could have found the balls to

618
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 6: address Donald Trump that way when he allowed him to

619
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 6: phone into his show and helped him secure the nomination

620
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. I wish he could have found his

621
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 6: nuts when he and his wife were at mar A Lago,

622
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: right bending the knee, so the temerity. But Joe does

623
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 6: that a lot. He's done that to me before. He

624
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 6: cannot handle addressing an intellectual superior, and it is it

625
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 6: is white man rule, you know. I think that's the

626
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 6: part that's so frustrating to me. He and his former

627
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 6: employee now wife earn at least I think sixteen million

628
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 6: a year from that network. When I worked there, I

629
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: would lap them in my ratings. I didn't make a

630
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 6: fraction of that. When Joy worked there, she more than

631
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 6: laped them. She lapped them a few times in her ratings.

632
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 6: I can say Joy did not make sixteen million a year.

633
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 6: So it's just insulting that they're celebrated. People think millions

634
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: of folks watch that show. Sometimes they get five hundred

635
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 6: thousand people. Maybe, so if you're watching to hate, watch

636
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 6: your contributing to their ratings. Y'all got mad for a

637
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 6: minute when it came out that they went to mar

638
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 6: A Lago, and slowly but surely people started creeping back

639
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 6: in watching it. Turn it off, like read something, don't

640
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 6: watch them. You even see Mika tapping him at a

641
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 6: certain point, trying to encourage him to let the mayor speak.

642
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 6: I just look, I'm not mad at a tough interview

643
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 6: and trying to force politicians to answer questions. They make

644
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 6: a dance of it a lot, but I have not

645
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 6: seen Joe in particular address any white politician that way.

646
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Speaker 6: And can I just say really quickly, when I was

647
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Speaker 6: on Seeing in this week, because I think it shows

648
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Speaker 6: a pattern. When I was on CNN this week, I

649
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 6: was on with two white men and Jamie Harrison. So

650
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Speaker 6: Jamie Harrison is the former chair of the Democratic National

651
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Speaker 6: Party National Committee, And so every time I forget the

652
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 6: other guy's name, but every time it came time to

653
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: say something, these two would attack me. They would attack

654
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 6: what I said, they would attack my perspective, and they

655
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 6: would say, oh, if a Democrat that had done this,

656
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Speaker 6: Tiffany would have fill in the blank or anything.

657
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Speaker 3: Trump.

658
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Speaker 6: Thus Tiffany doesn't like. I just found it striking that

659
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Speaker 6: I'm one not a Democrat. Two, I'm sitting here with

660
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Speaker 6: the chair, the former chair of the party, who happens

661
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 6: to be around six feet tall, a black man, and

662
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 6: presents like a six foot tall black man. But they

663
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 6: felt more comfortable attacking me at every time. And I'm fine,

664
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Speaker 6: you want to bumble with the bee, let's tangle, like

665
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Speaker 6: I'm good going back and forth on an intellectual basis

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Speaker 6: with anybody. But it just shows that same mentality that

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Speaker 6: Joe had. I don't even think he would have spoken

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Speaker 6: to him on set that way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I feel ready to secede from the nation. I just

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Speaker 6: don't know a path for safety here. I don't know

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Speaker 6: a path for success here. And I'm telling you, I

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Speaker 6: feel I don't know how to calm down, like it's

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Speaker 6: just it's in my throat. And sometimes I'm in therapy.

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Speaker 6: My therapy is like, where do you feel it right now?

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Speaker 6: I feel it in my chest, I feel it in

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Speaker 6: my throat. Everything feels so tight because literally, right outside

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Speaker 6: there there's tyranny, there's authoritarianism, and I just I don't,

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Speaker 6: I don't know. When you have people like Joe, who's

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Speaker 6: you know, a flagship show for a dumb ass network

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Speaker 6: that has rebranded itself to be Fox News Lights, I'm

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Speaker 6: just I'm at a loss.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Let's share the frustration obviously over the day respection on

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Speaker 1: the mayor, but my real deeper, if I were to

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Speaker 1: pull back the layer's frustration, is that Joe Scarborough used

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Speaker 1: to be a policymaker.

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Speaker 2: He used to be in Congress from the great state

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Speaker 2: of Florida. Right, he knows the.

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Speaker 1: Layers he would resist as an elected official, any host,

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Speaker 1: his inclination to oversimplify something as complicated as crime fighting.

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Speaker 1: So when I take into consideration that the man knows

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Speaker 1: better but yet decided to act contemperately with a sitting

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Speaker 1: mayor of one of America's largest.

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Speaker 2: Cities on a serious question. The mayor actually gave.

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Speaker 1: Him a very It takes partly running a city to

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Speaker 1: know this.

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Speaker 2: But when he said, I will take more detectives, see,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't Joe's question.

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Speaker 1: He didn't answer Joe's questions about five thousand more police officers, right,

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Speaker 1: which is to put him in a box, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that was simply formed to put him in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineties soft on crime versus tough on crime box.

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Speaker 2: That's what that was. We see you, bruh.

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Speaker 1: The mayor saw it in real time sitting there. But

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Speaker 1: what the mayor said is I would like more detectives.

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Speaker 1: Why does he want more detectives Because in most cities,

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Speaker 1: most crimes that are reported.

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Speaker 2: Are not closed out.

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Speaker 1: They sit as having been reported, investigated, but not necessarily

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Speaker 1: drawn to a successful conclusion, meaning you found who the

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Speaker 1: perpetrators were.

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Speaker 2: They were prosecuted, so on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: The close out rate, as is known in the municipalities,

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Speaker 1: sits probably in most places at less than twenty percent means,

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Speaker 1: which means eighty percent of these crimes that are that

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Speaker 1: are committed and reported go without ever being successfully resolved.

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Speaker 2: Well, who would normally be responsible for resolving crimes that are.

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Speaker 1: Reported detectives, not the line officers necessarily, but detectives who.

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Speaker 2: Go layers beneath to figure out a thing.

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Speaker 1: That way, when you saw that crime, you catch the

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Speaker 1: people who are the perpetrators and then you get them

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Speaker 1: off the street, or you teach the streets the lesson

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Speaker 1: that if you can commit a crime, you will be

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Speaker 1: found and you will be held to the standard of

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Speaker 1: the law. But if eighty percent of the crimes that

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Speaker 1: are committed are going unresolved, the lesson you're teaching people

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Speaker 1: is you can commit it and get away with it.

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Speaker 2: Eight times out of ten, you're going to be able

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Speaker 2: to walk free. Right.

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Speaker 1: So the mayor had the right answer, which is I'll

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Speaker 1: take some more detectives. But he didn't want to fall

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Speaker 1: into the box of tough on crime, soft on crime,

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Speaker 1: five thousand more officers, because he knows the brutality that

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Speaker 1: comes with that. He knows what that means to his citizens.

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Speaker 1: And I applaud him for being responsible. And I really

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Speaker 1: hate that MSNBC or SEE what whatever they're called today

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Speaker 1: would allow such disrespect on what is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a thoughtful show on their platform, that the mayor could

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Speaker 1: not even express what would have been a thoughtful answer,

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Speaker 1: but rather being chased around the damn table by Joe

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Speaker 1: Scarborough to give him a punchline slash a talking point,

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Speaker 1: slash tough on crime, not tough on crime, a label

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Speaker 1: that he wanted to be able to apply to the mayor,

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Speaker 1: and the mayor resisted.

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate just taking that moment.

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Speaker 5: I think on the point of attack, and Andrew, you

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Speaker 5: brought this up already. We are continuing this trigger show

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Speaker 5: with what is happening with Federal Reserve Reserve Board member

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Speaker 5: Lisa Cook. And it's over one hundred plus year history.

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Speaker 5: She's the only black woman to serve on the Federal

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Speaker 5: Reserve Board. President under ordinary circumstances where the law actually applies,

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Speaker 5: has no authority whatsoever to fire a member of the

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Speaker 5: Federal Reserve Board. And so I thought, for a moment

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Speaker 5: we could we could just talk about this. So, Andrew

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Speaker 5: you raised it earlier. You want to raise you want

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Speaker 5: me to talk about the kron.

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Speaker 6: Do you guys mind really quickly because it's not common knowledge. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 6: So I think it's important to say first, the Federal

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Speaker 6: The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve is its

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Speaker 6: official name, but it's commonly commonly known as the Federal Reserve,

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Speaker 6: and this is the main governing body that is charged

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Speaker 6: with overseeing the Federal Reserve banks, which helps implement monetary policy.

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Speaker 6: This is relevant right now because Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 6: at war essentially with Jerome Powell, who is the Chair

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Speaker 6: of the Federal Reserve, because he wants him to adjust

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Speaker 6: interest rates. Now I'm not an economist, so I'm not

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Speaker 6: going to get into the specifics of that. It might

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Speaker 6: be great to have an economist on to do that,

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Speaker 6: but I will tell you that there are economists who say, well, yes,

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Speaker 6: you could adjust interest rates and then maybe people's mortgages

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Speaker 6: would go down, but the price the cost of homes

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Speaker 6: would go up. So it's not a simple, easy solution.

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Speaker 6: Lisa Cook was the first black woman to serve in

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Speaker 6: this position, and no one has ever been fired in

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Speaker 6: the one hundred and eleven year history of this body.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to start that in context.

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Speaker 1: People, No, that's helpful, And to continue your example, who

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Speaker 1: doesn't want low interest right?

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Speaker 2: Low interest rates on things?

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Speaker 1: The problem is is obviously the Fed Bank has to

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Speaker 1: balance low interest rates without inspiring inflation. So if you

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Speaker 1: get a lot of money obviously circulating through the system,

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Speaker 1: the price of goods and services has to go up.

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Speaker 1: You can't have but so much money fluctuating, or the

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Speaker 1: value of the dollar declines, not just here but around

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Speaker 1: the world. So in order for our money to have value,

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Speaker 1: which is what the value of money is, we need

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Speaker 1: to keep it strong and so FED policy was designed

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Speaker 1: after the First and the Second Bank of the United States,

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Speaker 1: to be separate from the political whims, flows and ebbs

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Speaker 1: of a politician who is serving at a particular point

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Speaker 1: in time. Any elected official will want to be able

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Speaker 1: to say I lowered your interest rates when I was president,

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Speaker 1: and then they won't be around to take responsibility for

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Speaker 1: the inflation that comes afterwards that ends up costing all

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Speaker 1: of us a hell of a lot more money and

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Speaker 1: devaluing the dollars that we work hard to earn. So,

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Speaker 1: in this case, the president or a whistleblo I don't

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Speaker 1: know how they want to describe this claim, but apparently

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Speaker 1: some woman in the government decided to write a letter

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Speaker 1: saying or accusing the governor of.

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Speaker 2: Mortgage fraud by contending that.

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Speaker 1: She has signed her permanent residency to not just one,

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Speaker 1: but two homes. Now you all may have heard this

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Speaker 1: by now, but Ken Paxson down in Texas, the governor

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Speaker 1: was also the attorney general, sorry, the attorney general running

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Speaker 1: for governor. The Attorney general of Texas, who's one of

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Speaker 1: the favorite candidates for governor of Texas, has also been

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Speaker 1: accused of mortgage fraud by I believe this was a

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Speaker 1: newspaper maybe for owning three residents. Is that he tarman

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Speaker 1: to were his main residences. Now, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the governor of the Fed Reserve, the Attorney General of

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Speaker 1: New York, and I believe even Adam Shift possibly I

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Speaker 1: think was the third person that Trump has done this too.

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Speaker 2: They have accused them all of mortgage.

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Speaker 1: Fraud again doing the same thing allegedly that Paxson has done,

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Speaker 1: and assigned all three in those instances, those three instances

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Speaker 1: that they make this claim to the US Attorney General, who,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is better known as Trump's lapdog from Florida,

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Speaker 1: who finds herself more often than not being the personal

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Speaker 1: attorneys to the President rather than the attorney for the

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Speaker 1: people of the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: He's made these referrals to.

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Speaker 1: Them, and you can rest assured that Pam Bondi, within

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Speaker 1: her power and scope, is going to do everything that

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Speaker 1: she can to probably buttress that referral with possible prosecution

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Speaker 1: of those individuals as a way of moving them out

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Speaker 1: of Trump's way. And so where we are right now

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Speaker 1: is I'm just curious to know if this is mortgage

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Speaker 1: information which is not publicly available by and large, meaning

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Speaker 1: you take a little website of the government necessarily find

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Speaker 1: out many of the details around this, and those details

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Speaker 1: are then only available through the federal government and a

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Speaker 1: database that they keep. How is it that the whistleblower

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Speaker 1: quote or the staff person who is making this claim

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Speaker 1: is able to do so without access to very sensitive

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Speaker 1: government information.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I think that that's just it right.

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Speaker 5: So this referral was made by the Federal Housing Finance

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Speaker 5: Agency Director William Poulty.

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Speaker 4: I believe is that you say it. I know you

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Speaker 4: all have.

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Speaker 5: Seen paulty homes l before in that family. No surprises

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Speaker 5: there the term administration, but they have the mortgage documents.

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Speaker 5: This is the same thing that happened in the case

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Speaker 5: with Marilynd Moseby. It is the same thing or a

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Speaker 5: similar thing that has happened in the case with Tiss James.

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Speaker 5: And so what I think is important for us to

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Speaker 5: also understand is as a part of the Federal Housing

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Speaker 5: Finance Agency, staffers have access to this information, so that

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Speaker 5: I think we can close the loop there, except.

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Speaker 2: That it is still private even if they have access.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but if you're trying to find a reason to

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Speaker 5: prosecute someone criminally and you look into their mortgage history,

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Speaker 5: even if you are a solution in search of a problem,

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Speaker 5: that is where you would go, and that is how

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Speaker 5: they got access to it. The referral literally came from FHFA.

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Speaker 5: I do think it is important to note, especially given

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Speaker 5: that this is clearly our trigger show is that hello

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Speaker 5: Andrew's phone, is that Lisa Cook is not just rolling

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Speaker 5: over and accepting that she would be removed TIF. I

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Speaker 5: know this has had to infuriate you this week. That's

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Speaker 5: my other buzzword today, trigger and infuriate that they keep

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Speaker 5: people on air are talking about this like he can

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Speaker 5: fire her Trump Lisa Cook, Trump removes Lisa Cook. He

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Speaker 5: cannot do that now, they say, for cause they have

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Speaker 5: found a very tricky cause where it is arguable that

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Speaker 5: the mortgage lenders that she has knows that she needed

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Speaker 5: to split time. There are a number of people who

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Speaker 5: split time in two residences because they work in two places.

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Speaker 5: The homes were in Michigan, where she's a professor, and

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Speaker 5: in Georgia, where she.

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Speaker 1: Resides and also bears no responsibility or her job as

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Speaker 1: a governor at the Fed Reserve.

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Speaker 5: No, but the point is if she did something criminal,

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Speaker 5: that is arguably for cause. But if you live in

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Speaker 5: two places, I believe I would make this argument in

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Speaker 5: good faith that you can have two principal residences. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you spend more than half of your time in

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Speaker 5: either location.

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Speaker 4: It's people that work and trade.

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Speaker 5: Y'all know that basically our principal residence should be on

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Speaker 5: the god dying plane right right? Like I mean, that

885
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 5: is this is so crazy that this is not called

886
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 5: for what it is. This is a racist tactic by

887
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: someone who is trafficked in racism and he continues to

888
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 5: target black people.

889
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: We should call it what it is.

890
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 5: I appreciate the fact that Lisa Cook has said she

891
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 5: is challenging this through her attorney. She plans to sue

892
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: on whether or not he could actually remove her because

893
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 5: there is no cause under the law, and I think

894
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: that is the kind of conversation we need to be having.

895
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: Not Trump is firing her. Not Trump is removing her.

896
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: It's irresponsible.

897
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: Okay, failure, gross failure.

898
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 6: The only thing I would say to that is, yes,

899
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 6: he definitely targets black people.

900
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 3: For sure.

901
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 6: Lisa Cook joins the three hundred thousand plus black women

902
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 6: who have left or not. Yes, but she would join

903
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 6: the three hundred thousand plus black women who have left

904
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 6: the work for us. Andrew, you did a great job

905
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 6: of pointing this out on this past week when we

906
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 6: were in Atlanta invest Fest. Part of targeting the federal

907
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 6: government was exiting black women out of employment. He targeted

908
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 6: agencies were the highest number of black people were employed.

909
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 3: So this is not something new.

910
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 6: I would only add to that that he is indiscriminate

911
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 6: as he's also targeting his political enemies. He has called

912
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: for an investigation into former New Jersey Governor Chris Christy,

913
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 6: who chaired his inaugural committee in twenty sixteen, and they

914
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: had right, they had a romance that only ended on

915
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 6: January sixth. As if Donald Trump wasn't terrible on the

916
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 6: fifth fourth and decades prior to that, he's also going

917
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 6: after John Bolton, and we have seen I'm sorry, yeah,

918
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 6: I just mean what's happening And I don't know if

919
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 6: something new happened with.

920
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: No, No, you were right. I was just saying, you're right, people,

921
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: all the people.

922
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 6: I'm just talking about what's happened in recent recent the

923
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 6: recent past couple of weeks with John Bolton. And the

924
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 6: reason for Bolton is because he penned a book in

925
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 6: twenty twenty that Trump was trying to stop. They had

926
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 6: the unusual task of having him resentmit and resentment and

927
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: resentment the manuscript for his book. So this is like

928
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 6: a play right out of the Dictator Handbook. And the

929
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 6: fact that we're not taking it seriously, the fact that

930
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 6: we're still trying to both side these things, that we're

931
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 6: presenting information like it's a done deal. And Angelus gave

932
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: a great example like Trump fires Lisa Cook. I mean,

933
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 6: this is just journalism fails, and unfortunately people are still

934
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 6: looking to cable news for a lot of the information

935
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 6: they get and it's such an utter failure. It's such

936
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 6: a gross irresponsible move they're making. And even that, you know,

937
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 6: like I think, I'm just I've run out of tears,

938
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 6: but even that looking at one an industry that I

939
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 6: had pursued and worked in since I was fifteen years old, too,

940
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 6: looking at black women and what we're going through collectively,

941
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 6: like we are so and this is not leaving out

942
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 6: black men. I just mean black women in this moment

943
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 6: are so goddamn heartbroken, you know, Like I don't even

944
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 6: know how to function.

945
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: Some days I do.

946
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 6: I put one foot in front of the next, because

947
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 6: that's all we know how to do. But it's like

948
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 6: everywhere you look there is no safety, there is no reprieve,

949
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 6: and it is giving me.

950
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 3: A righteous anger.

951
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I have to make adjustments, you know,

952
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 6: like I have to make adjustments in life around you know,

953
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 6: who I'm around.

954
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: Who I'm involved with.

955
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: I was sitting on a train next to this older

956
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 6: white man who was so pressed to make conversation with me.

957
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 6: Was a Republican, and it was just trying to talk

958
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 6: to me, and I just wanted to say, shut up

959
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 6: talking to me.

960
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: Okay, racism with a smile.

961
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 6: It's still some racism, Like don't be looking to me

962
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 6: to make you feel better about your dumb asses, like

963
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 6: you're so pressed to make me. You know, we might

964
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 6: have more in common than you think. And I supposed

965
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 6: to say on this show, but I wanted to say, dude,

966
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 6: you don't talk to me. I'm losing my sense of

967
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: kindness and softness. And I think that's what we went through.

968
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 6: My grandmother like, she was a tough woman, and I

969
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: think that's what she went through going through different things

970
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 6: in the South, where you.

971
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: Just you don't have an energy for that bullshit anymore now.

972
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: And we have to co create their lives. So he'd be.

973
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Lying to himself if we can have differences over politics

974
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: but still be at risk of the same things and

975
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: have the same cares and the same worries and the

976
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: same ambitions and hopes. No, sir, I can't conspire in that.

977
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: It's not true fundamentally, basically, open your eyes see it.

978
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: Maybe believe me when I tell you what my experience is.

979
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's insane. I just, y'all, this is poor.

980
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: Part of what I mean by the accountability has to

981
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: be in place. And I hope that left leaning thick

982
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: tanks and y'all's action centers are really focused on who

983
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: the perpetrators of these crimes are so that they can

984
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: be held to account.

985
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

986
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn about show apology book. In

987
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: the fourth year of this term, when you decide that

988
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: you want to exit this administration for whatever reason, so

989
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: you can set yourself up for the next job and

990
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: be invited back into polite society, there is none of

991
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: that for you. I believe in redemption, but I don't

992
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: have to redeem you. In fact, don't look to me

993
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: to redeem you. Look there's a redeemer, and I'm not him.

994
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you this much. All these all these

995
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: characters in this play are going to try to repurpose

996
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: themselves at the right time to be again part of

997
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: civil society and accept it as reasonable people.

998
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 2: But they're unreasonable. Just as you mentioned, he was detestable.

999
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: On January fifth, as he was on the sixth, as

1000
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: the fourth, as the sixth, as the first.

1001
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: I tell you right, Why do we have to tell

1002
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: you any is worse than any of us could have imagined.

1003
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: Angela is not that they didn't listen, they didn't.

1004
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 15: Need to care.

1005
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't share it, just like the people who said.

1006
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I know he was going to strike the federal government,

1007
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: but I didn't think he was taking my job.

1008
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 6: Open vote for him, but I would still vote for him.

1009
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: All right, don't go anywhere.

1010
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: We're going to pick up this great conversation on the

1011
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 3: other side of this.

1012
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 6: Break to be right back, Angela, you say that that

1013
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 6: white supremacy is nonpartisan.

1014
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: This is just an example.

1015
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 6: IOWA in New Hampshire, our efforting to reshape the primary

1016
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 6: schedule again because they're like, hey, we want to be

1017
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 6: back at the top, we want to go first again.

1018
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 6: IOWA in New Hampshire ninety three and ninety four percent

1019
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 6: white population, respectively. This is why I cannot, in good

1020
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 6: faith get out here and talk about, you know, how

1021
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 6: dope Democrats are.

1022
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: I'm a Democratic voter.

1023
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 6: I'm not a spokesperson for the party, and I'm not

1024
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 6: going to swallow some bullshit right now, like they have

1025
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 6: not met the moment in my idea. And even the

1026
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 6: fact that I own that it's a conversation that they're saying,

1027
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 6: we want to go first again, lets me know that

1028
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 6: they are toned deaf to what's happening the party.

1029
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: It just seems to be in disarray. So I don't

1030
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead.

1031
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, you can say I just said then

1032
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. I'm sorry, Well, I don't even know.

1033
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: I just that's all.

1034
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: I just agree with TIFFs.

1035
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 5: I just agree with t And let me say this

1036
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 5: one thing. You know what's even more frustrating. There have

1037
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 5: been some Democrats who are meeting the moment. They are

1038
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 5: black women in their exhaustion, in their state of being

1039
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 5: triggered in having to carry this country on their backs again,

1040
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: after having to nurse your badass babies, after having to

1041
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 5: be your nanny yo mammy, and your cook, after having

1042
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: to do everything else, we are still saving you from

1043
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 5: your dumb ass selves.

1044
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: We're tired, how about that? Like, I am just I'm

1045
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: blown by this.

1046
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 5: I am so frustrated by the fact that we had

1047
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 5: to pull a whole toward together to get our people relief,

1048
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: and our people didn't vote this way, like I am.

1049
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 16: I am. I am crying now, I am so enraged

1050
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 16: all the time, Like I am going to do the

1051
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 16: right thing because I don't want us to die, because

1052
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 16: we don't deserve what you've done.

1053
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 5: We don't deserve to reap the consequences we didn't participate

1054
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: in getting here.

1055
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to talk.

1056
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 3: I do, And the just is beyond.

1057
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: It's beyond, Like I literally, you guys, I know you

1058
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 5: guys just told me last week don't be on the

1059
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 5: phone in this show. And I got a text in

1060
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 5: the show with somebody like, are you sure we can

1061
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: go to DC for this meeting?

1062
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: Like it is, it is.

1063
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 4: Maddening, and I'm mad about it.

1064
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 6: My mom.

1065
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: I should be able to just focus on.

1066
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 5: My mom, like I just tif I have this book deadline.

1067
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: I should be able to focus.

1068
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm finishing the book.

1069
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: I'm fighting myself because I have to argue that freedom

1070
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 5: is still our birthright and we are so not free.

1071
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: Like it is maddening right now, it really really is.

1072
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 4: I don't I'm just I don't know.

1073
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 6: Us right this is this is but this is how

1074
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 6: we feel. I think so many people out there feel

1075
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 6: that way.

1076
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: And the tears are.

1077
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 6: Not sadness, you know, it is not weird, not sad.

1078
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 6: We are so enraged right now. And it's such a

1079
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 6: good point, Angela. It's like we're going through all of

1080
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 6: these things in our real lives are still happening. Angela's

1081
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 6: I'm very open about her mother's battle with cancer. That

1082
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 6: alone is enough to consume your entire being.

1083
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: And we don't even.

1084
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 6: Have the freedom to breathe in that space is so frustrating.

1085
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 6: So I just feel like, in our moments of righteous anger,

1086
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 6: I'm just ready to fight. And I don't mean like

1087
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 6: fight like I want to write a policy paper. I

1088
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 6: don't mean like fight like I want to go protest

1089
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 6: like i've we mean like I wanted those two little

1090
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 6: girls who were flanked by four grown men.

1091
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to yell.

1092
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 6: At them, get the fuck away from these kids and

1093
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 6: leave them alone. They had them their school uniforms, they

1094
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 6: were I didn't even realize school was back. They were

1095
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: walking home, these four grown men following them.

1096
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: And what society is that?

1097
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 6: Okay, all these Epstein dumbasses who are so goddamn concerned

1098
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 6: about child sex trafficking, who voted for Trump, who were

1099
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 6: so into it because they thought the Clintons were attached

1100
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 6: to it, this is what it looks like. Now you're

1101
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 6: letting mass men snatch girls parents off the street, and

1102
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Speaker 6: there's been so many reports of mass men pretending to

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Speaker 6: be ice so they can attempt to kidnap women.

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Speaker 3: Just just miss me with that bullshit. You don't really

1105
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: care about kids.

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Speaker 6: It's just it is beyond comprehension what we're going through.

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00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 6: And I guess the shame I personally feel for having

1108
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 6: fear is because because I don't we didn't do.

1109
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 3: This yet, but we were talking about doing.

1110
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 6: This as a mini pot at some point I think,

1111
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 6: or maybe we did, I can't remember. But what price

1112
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 6: are you willing to pay? And I just feel like

1113
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 6: we are all going to be tested right now. So

1114
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 6: for all the people who are not paying attention, who

1115
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 6: are scrolling on Instagram and TikTok and you know, talking

1116
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 6: about Taylor Swifts engagement and just bullshit, It's like, listen, you.

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: Guys, it is on fire.

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00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 6: Whatever invisible line you were waiting for him to cross,

1119
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 6: he has crossed it. So I love the viewers question

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00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: about like I get it. Where can we build safety?

1121
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 6: Where can we build towns?

1122
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: And I don't. I don't know where that is. But

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what what I'm feeling right now.

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Speaker 6: I want to get out of here, like I can't

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 6: stay in DC feeling like this every day.

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00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: It is just not good for.

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 4: My have a room at my house.

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Speaker 7: Tip.

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Speaker 3: I keep wanting to come to Seattle because what you've

1130
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: never been, but.

1131
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: What you're pointing out Tip is the truth is is

1132
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: is any place?

1133
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: Is there?

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: Keep running and right now within the boundaries of this place,

1135
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: given the lawlessness, and and I think I know where

1136
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: you were going with miss me, with what you say,

1137
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: you believe and you protect children. What I know now

1138
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: after having observed first the first go round and now

1139
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: this one, is that there is no faithful belief system

1140
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: on their side. Those are lies. Those are the convenient

1141
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: lives we tell ourselves to get us past a thing.

1142
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: But it isn't true.

1143
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: And now that I know it's not true, my tolerance

1144
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: level for all the reasons you give for being four

1145
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: and against and holding the flag and protect law enforcement

1146
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: and fund all of that.

1147
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: It's a sham.

1148
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Speaker 1: I just wish y'all would say it to yourselves, just

1149
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: admit to yourselves, Oh, I'm only really in this for

1150
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: the convenience, the political expedience of the matter. Like I

1151
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: ride with this guy because he's gonna do and say

1152
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: the things that I can't get away with doing and

1153
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: saying and keep my job. But he can do and

1154
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: say and keep his job. And yes, you get a

1155
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable when the babies are on the television

1156
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: and they're crying and the separation, and you may have

1157
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: a moment of humanity, but in the recesses of your mind,

1158
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: you're in complete solidarity with what the man is doing,

1159
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: because if you weren't, you wouldn't have put him back

1160
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: there in the first place. You cannot say I don't

1161
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: think you can say it the first time, but you absolutely,

1162
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: in this condition cannot say you didn't know. Everybody knew

1163
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: the second time they went to the ballot, to the polls.

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: Third time, I guess, on this guy to the polls.

1165
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: You knew what you were getting.

1166
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: You knew, and you still invited it, you still sanctioned it,

1167
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: and through your silence, you're still co conspiring in it.

1168
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: So I just y'all.

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Speaker 1: In democracies, leaders get to govern with the consent of

1170
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: the people, and at the point that we remove our consent,

1171
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: they're no longer our leaders. I'm not trying to be

1172
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: a violent rhetorical person, but I'm simply saying, the American

1173
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: people have to wake up and demonstrate that this is

1174
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: not who we are, or you can consent through your

1175
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: silence and say this is exactly.

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: Who we are. And I'm okay with it. I'm gonna.

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Speaker 5: A third options. This is who we are, and I'm

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 5: not good with that. I'm doing different, Yeah, we're going

1179
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Speaker 5: to do it different. But it is who we are, or.

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Speaker 4: It is who they are, and it is who they

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01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: come to it for sixteen.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, through through through through our abeysins, we then

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Speaker 1: give shelter to it. And what I'm saying about so

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01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: for instance, and in LA, they drove them out through

1185
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: their protests an overwhelming number, an overwhelming number, sure of support,

1186
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: such to the point that law enforcement with guns more

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: powerful than any that we can own privately, had to

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Speaker 1: had to rescind their line. They retreated their line. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Angela retreated their line. And the same has to be

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Speaker 1: true Chicago. You've got much of as much of a warning.

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Speaker 1: My brother lives there, God knows, I want it for

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01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: his safety more than anything. But they have to we

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01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: have to meet their force with our presence. Their presence

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: must be must must look like ants on a heel

1195
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: in comparison to us saying you are not welcomed here.

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Speaker 1: And I get that many of these people are just

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Speaker 1: average people who are being called into service and have

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Speaker 1: to render themselves to the government when they when they

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Speaker 1: say come, But what does What does disobeying illegal order

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: look like? What does it mean for a person in

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01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: law enforcement or in the uniform to say we cannot

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01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: execute on an unjust or in illegal order?

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Speaker 3: What does that look like?

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Honest? I want to know.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I hope we get the guests that we're

1206
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: we hope to see in a few because I want

1207
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: to ask not to not to include him in what

1208
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: my conclusion may be here, but to say, what does

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01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: it look like if you are obliged to not have

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: to follow illegal and unjust orders? What does it look

1211
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: like to stand up and say, I'm sorry man? That

1212
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: video that show the black officer leaned against the car.

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01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: He was embarrassed to be put on that video, the

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: black officer next to the.

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Speaker 4: That's what needs to happen. You need to be embarrassing.

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01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: But what does it mean to say, I am in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement and what this is is not enforcing the law.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we are acting in contradiction to it is

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Speaker 2: in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, y'all, So listen, we are working, of

1221
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: course to get a general Honooray to join us. But

1222
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: as you imagine, twenty year anniversary of Katrina, he's got

1223
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: lots of demands on his time, so we may end

1224
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: up bringing that to you in a mini bod, but

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Speaker 1: we are going to get it to you as.

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Speaker 2: Soon as we have it. And of course, on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the break.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear from myself and our co host about some

1229
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: calls to actions. Say, all right, y'all, I know it's

1230
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: been a heavy, heavy, heavy show and I really at

1231
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: some level hate it because it always just feels like

1232
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: everything's heavy. But on the other hand, you know what,

1233
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: we have to face reality with reality. This is the situation.

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: This is what it is, and hopefully you hear our

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01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: frustration and probably share in it and also our hearts

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01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: as they break of our community. Y'all, as we wrap

1237
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: this show up, I'd love to hear if you have

1238
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: any calls to actions for our listening fam as we

1239
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: close this out, reflect on Katrina this weekend and ship

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01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: our survival beyond that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll just say my CTA is tell people what's

1242
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 6: going on, because when I was, like I said in Atlanta,

1243
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 6: when I was trying to explain it to people, it

1244
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 6: was kind of a shoulder shrug, like they didn't really

1245
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 6: get it, and not everyone is plugged in and that's

1246
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 6: like I'm a little disconnected from things, just from my

1247
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 6: own sanity. But spread the word and take it seriously.

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 6: Understand that this level of authoritarianism will not exists only

1249
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 6: in the belt Way. It will cast a dark shadow

1250
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 6: across the country. And democracy is something that has to

1251
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 6: be fought for and has to be defended. And we

1252
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 6: have our elders who are still alive who did that

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01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 6: for us. And I can't tell you what actions to

1254
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 6: take because I don't know what's happening in everybody's jurisdiction.

1255
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 6: But at minimum be aware because you may be able

1256
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 6: to tell us an action that we need to take.

1257
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 6: And then find reputable outlets wich you say, well, where

1258
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 6: should I do? I hate the New York Times political coverage,

1259
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 6: but that's something anything that is giving you reliable information

1260
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 6: about what is happening, what's going on. At least be

1261
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 6: aware and spread the word. Ignorance is not gonna save us.

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Speaker 6: That is the enemy right now.

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Speaker 4: That is the gospel. Truth. Mine is on the facts.

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Speaker 5: We have a listener question, call in or come in,

1265
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 5: and I want to play this listener question with my response,

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Speaker 5: which is a fetch.

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Speaker 14: A good day, Nail Lampard come to you all today,

1268
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 14: not with a question, but more so like voicing my

1269
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 14: opinion and a little bit of frustration with Angela. This week,

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 14: Angela did a mini pod with state rep and the

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Speaker 14: Cold Callier, and I felt like she should have pushed

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 14: back on her more when it came to the point

1273
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 14: of when the state reps started talking about like mining

1274
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Speaker 14: individuals California and stuff like that. I'm paraphrasing, but she

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Speaker 14: essentially said, you know, Textas gonna go through their maps,

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01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 14: but she feels okay knowing that California's gonna come behind

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 14: them with five redistrict seats for Democrats. And I think

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Speaker 14: what was missed there is that Texas gonna redistrict out

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Speaker 14: two black members that we probably would never get back,

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Speaker 14: and whatever comes out of California is not guaranteed. The

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 14: we're gonna get two black representatives back more likely won't happen.

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Speaker 14: So I felt like we let angel let her off

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01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 14: the hook. And oftentimes I feel like we do that

1284
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 14: a lot with Democrats. We don't push them enough, pressure

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 14: them enough to get the results they were looking for.

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 14: So how am frustration that Eder didn't catch her and

1287
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 14: then she didn't push back on her more on that.

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 14: So I just wanted to come to you all with

1289
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 14: that one like that because I thought the state rivers

1290
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 14: out of line when she said that.

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Speaker 5: And on that we have two fact check moments from

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 5: that interview, So let's roll the first one, are you

1293
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 5: experiencing or feeling any regret at coming back home to

1294
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 5: face this kind of madness I think, which is almost

1295
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 5: worse than what you all experienced leaving. And the second

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01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 5: earlier you referenced the California maps, the fact that Governor

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Speaker 5: k Newsom has taken some action, and that was one.

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Speaker 4: Of the precursors for some of you at least to return.

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Speaker 5: What do you say to the people who say that's

1300
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 5: great for California, but what does that have to do

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 5: with folks who need representation from black and brown folks

1302
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:48,520
Speaker 5: in Texas?

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: How do you respond to that? Okay, So I.

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Speaker 5: Actually agree with you, brother, and I raised those questions.

1305
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 5: I hope you will go back and listen. Maybe your

1306
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 5: point is that you don't think I pushed it hard.

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 5: There are a lot of people who think I pushed

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 5: too hard, and she is an American hero, and I

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01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 5: actually do think that given everything that Nicole went through,

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 5: being back in Texas after deciding to go back to Texas.

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 4: She certainly is a hero Sturter ground.

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 5: Nonetheless, the Texas maps have passed, and nonetheless California said

1313
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 5: that they going to go forward and do something. California's

1314
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 5: demographics are a lot different than Texas, and so I

1315
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 5: don't think that it is a substitute to change one

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Speaker 5: for the other and we are going to be all good.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is merely political jerry mandering, as

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Speaker 5: we've talked about on this show. It is also racist

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Speaker 5: and so on that note, my call to action would be,

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Speaker 5: please make sure to fact check. And we got two

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Speaker 5: of these, let's make sure we use them. I need

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Speaker 5: to do a better job myself.

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Speaker 1: I definitely received the big point though, because in Florida

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Speaker 1: we have eliminated the black representation there, and the same

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Speaker 1: is obviously as a result of this in Texas California.

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Speaker 1: We know our CBC members are struggling each cycle, curious

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Speaker 1: whether or not they will be returned because increasingly they're

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Speaker 1: representing yes, minority districts, but minority districts that are majority Latino.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and while their coalition politics are different out there,

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Speaker 1: I envy it in some ways. At some point we

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Speaker 1: know that there is going to be an intersection where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go one way or another. And it's it's maddening,

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Speaker 1: and this is my ctia. It's just maddening to see

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Speaker 1: the work at erasure of us that you know. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you want to look up our history, tell us that

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Speaker 1: slavery was good for us. Tell me that I got

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Speaker 1: the skills that I got today because I was enslave.

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Speaker 2: Chattled to.

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Speaker 1: Kick all black women out of the ability to provide

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Speaker 1: for themselves in their family. That's the exact reason why

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Speaker 1: they go after black women is because they know what

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Speaker 1: it means to destroy the black family. You take away

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Speaker 1: the black women, you take away her ability to earn

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Speaker 1: and to provide. Come on, ma'am, then that's our kids' futures.

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Speaker 1: So they and then now our representation and the effort

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Speaker 1: at this And I guess the CTA is is.

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Speaker 2: We have to become awake.

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Speaker 1: But also, y'all, we have to start taking names numbers

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Speaker 1: because Trump won't be here forever as much as he

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Speaker 1: wants to be.

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Speaker 2: I have faith that that will not come to pass.

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Speaker 1: And when folks on the other when Democrats, the opposing

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Speaker 1: party do get in power.

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Speaker 2: It is we have to learn the right lesson From

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Speaker 2: this moment.

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Speaker 1: You'll piss ant pushback has equalted nothing, and now we

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Speaker 1: have to result to tactics that are more effective, not illegal,

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Speaker 1: but that are effective and that hold these people who

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Speaker 1: account for what they have done to us. If we

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Speaker 1: fail to do that, we're inviting its repetition period. So

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Speaker 1: we thank you all of my co hosts, you all

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Speaker 1: our listeners. Again, heavier episode, but you know what we

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Speaker 1: gotta We gotta take the tough cough syrup sometimes, the

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Speaker 1: tough medicine sometimes so that we can get our acts together.

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Speaker 1: There are four hundred and thirty two days until the

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Speaker 1: make sure do occur.

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