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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Paul Wallace back with us. An author whose books probe

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Speaker 2: of the world's narratives for their insight into human origins

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Speaker 2: and human potential. Paul served for thirty three years as

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Speaker 2: a church doctor, a theological educator and an archdeacon in

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Speaker 2: the England and church in Australia. Paul, welcome back. Have

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Speaker 2: you been good?

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Speaker 3: Ay, George, It's great to be with you once again.

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Speaker 3: How are you going?

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Speaker 1: You too?

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Speaker 2: And how's the Invasion of Eden doing?

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Speaker 3: The Invasion of Eden has been phenomenal, And since writing that,

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Speaker 3: I have a new book out. It's day three of

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Speaker 3: its release. And that's the Eden enigma. And the question

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Speaker 3: that asks is do ancient carvings in the mountains of

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Speaker 3: Turkey carry memories of et contact from the dawn of civilization?

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Speaker 3: And so we've got ancient and modern covered by both

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Speaker 3: those books.

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Speaker 2: How do you find these great spots to write his

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Speaker 2: books about.

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Speaker 3: It's almost as if the book rights itself once I

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Speaker 3: set out knowing that another book is forming all these

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Speaker 3: interesting synchronousities, coincidences, I meet people, people contact me, and

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Speaker 3: then just in my travel schedule, I realize I'm in

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Speaker 3: another place where the folklore tells a story of ancient contact.

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Speaker 3: And it is almost as if the series writes itself,

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Speaker 3: as I travel the.

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Speaker 2: World, well tell us how you got interested in this

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Speaker 2: subject matter.

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Speaker 3: It probably goes back to when I was eleven years

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Speaker 3: old and my mum and dad read Charoits of the

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Speaker 3: Gods by Eric Vondanakin, and they left a copy lying

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Speaker 3: around the house and I read it at eleven years old,

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Speaker 3: and I reckoned. Eric von Danakin had put his finger

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Speaker 3: on some really key questions, and I wasn't satisfied with

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Speaker 3: the answers I was getting from church or mainstream scientific

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Speaker 3: explanations to where we all came from. So that got

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Speaker 3: my curiosity going. And then my mum got me a

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Speaker 3: book called The Atlas of World Mysteries, edited by Francis Hitching,

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Speaker 3: and that looked at people like the Lakowski, the question

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Speaker 3: of how the pyramids were built, cryptids, and all these

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Speaker 3: unresolved questions from around the world. And so I realized

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Speaker 3: my parents were really good at stoking my curiosity. And

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Speaker 3: these questions sort of sat with me through all the

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Speaker 3: decades until I had the time about a decade ago

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Speaker 3: to sit down and do my own research into Bible translation. Actually,

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Speaker 3: and all these old topics that had my curiosity through

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Speaker 3: the years crept up to the surface as I got

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Speaker 3: into the root meanings of keywords in those old texts.

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Speaker 2: What made you decide to hone in on Turkey?

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Speaker 3: Turkey was one of those lovely coincidences. I was there

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Speaker 3: with Matt Lacroix doing the scouting for a movie that

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Speaker 3: Matt is putting together. In fact, we're filming this year.

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Speaker 3: We're going to Peruin, Bolivia next month, and then back

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Speaker 3: to Turkey in October to film, and we were there.

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Speaker 3: Matt is really interested in the timeline for humanity, and

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Speaker 3: so we're looking at artifacts and ancient sites that speak

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Speaker 3: to that question. But while I was in Turkey, I

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Speaker 3: was really intrigued by the ancient kunair form inscriptions left

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Speaker 3: behind by this Bronze Age civilization, the Urtian people, and

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Speaker 3: the carvings and symbols that left behind at their sacred sites.

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Speaker 3: That really drew me in, and I wanted to understand

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Speaker 3: what were the stories the Uratian people told three thousand

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Speaker 3: years ago, what was their understanding of where we came from,

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Speaker 3: how we've survived, how we've thrived. And it was getting

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Speaker 3: into decoding those symbols that led to my new book,

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Speaker 3: that Eden Enigma, and I've called it Enigma because it

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Speaker 3: really is all about breaking these ancient codes and working

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Speaker 3: out what was our ancestors knew that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: How much did they know bare.

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Speaker 3: I think they were a lot cleverer than we give

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Speaker 3: them credit for. I think we keep discovering things from

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Speaker 3: the deep past that tell us that human beings have

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Speaker 3: always been smart, They've always been clever. And the stories

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Speaker 3: that the Urateans tell, I think it's quite a sophisticated

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Speaker 3: understanding of the ecosystem, planetary history are place in the cosmos,

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Speaker 3: and they tell stories that we in the modern age

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Speaker 2: Now. Does gobecley Tepe is that included in this.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't actually go to gobecley Tepe on that

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Speaker 3: built as an observatory about twelve thousand years ago. So

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Speaker 3: space we identify as the Signus constellation. So we're getting

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Speaker 2: So you're convinced, Paul, we had visitors a long, long

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Speaker 2: time ago.

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Speaker 3: I've come to that conclusion because not only have I

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Speaker 3: found it through my work in Bible trans getting to

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Speaker 3: the root meanings of the keywords of the Hebrew texts,

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Speaker 3: but the stories of contact that I find there echo

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Speaker 3: in cultures all around the world. You can go to Nigeria,

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Speaker 3: you can listen to the Norse stories, the Vedic stories,

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Speaker 3: out of Guatemala and they all share very similar stories.

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Speaker 3: Listen to the indigenous stories from out of Aboriginal Australia

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Speaker 3: Native America. They all have these stories in which their

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Speaker 3: ancestors had a moment where their survival was hanging in

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Speaker 3: is the story the Rachin people tell as well, and

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Speaker 3: there are specific details in it that hint that these

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Speaker 3: advanced visitors really were extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 2: Well with Paul Wallace's laterst spoke is called the eden Enigma.

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Speaker 2: Paul tell us about these codes, how did you decode them?

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Speaker 3: Well, A big part is to notice that some of

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Speaker 3: we've got, for instance, in Armenia, a blue sky full

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Speaker 3: of shields, and now they're in the sky, so clearly

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Speaker 3: they are flying shields. I just happen to know, through

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Speaker 3: having studied Latin at school, that the Roman historian Livy

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Speaker 3: then around seven to seventy five of the Common Era.

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Speaker 3: In the Frankish Annals we hear about a battle of

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Speaker 3: Charlemagne in which flying shields turn up there. So you

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Speaker 3: stories alongside each other and it becomes clear you're looking

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Speaker 3: at flying shields. Decorate with a floral motif. Now most

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Speaker 3: and then the disc has wings to show that it's flying.

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Speaker 3: And this runs in parallel with discs. You can find

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Speaker 3: the connections and realize this is about flight technology, this

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Speaker 3: with flight technology. And so that's really what I did.

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Speaker 3: global lexicon of symbols and asked what stories have these

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Speaker 2: I can understand the objects with entities within them, but

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Speaker 2: what would the flying shields represent?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you look at an Ortian shield, it's circular,

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Speaker 3: and you put a profile on, and you're looking at

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Speaker 3: the contours of a flying saucer.

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Speaker 3: And so the Oratians are simply making a reference to

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Speaker 3: something known to describe something unknown. We say a flying saucer,

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Speaker 3: they said flying shields. But it's the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Take Now, what do the Vikings have to do

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Speaker 3: Well, I was introduced to the connection by my friend

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Speaker 3: David Lovegrove, who has a channel called Viking Superpowers, and

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Speaker 3: he has been deep into the work of Snottish Sturluson

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Speaker 3: Now he was the post Viking chieftain who, writing in

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Speaker 3: Norse gods that we know about Thor and Odin. And

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Speaker 3: he was a historian, and he pointed to real world

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Speaker 3: evidence that indicated a significant migration from ancient Armenia, which

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Speaker 3: includes modern day Armenia and Turkey, a migration of Odin

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Speaker 3: He identified them the Iceer, as he called them, as

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Speaker 3: they were able to take those lands with ease. Snolish.

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Speaker 3: Sturluson said, you can see the evidence of the migration

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Speaker 3: in our language. The language we speak in Scandinavia today

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Speaker 3: these stories, not all of them, but certainly the Odin

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Speaker 3: stories were real history about a real migration, and that

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Speaker 3: there was in ancient Armenia a group of people who

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Speaker 2: Would you say ancient Turkey might have been the cradle

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Speaker 3: Well, there are so many ancient narrative traditions that say

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Speaker 3: exactly that. So in the Bible, for instance, Genesis points

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Speaker 3: to Ararat in ancient Armenia and says that's where Noah's

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Speaker 3: Ezekiel says that the garden of the powerful Ones, which

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Speaker 3: or in the Hebrew spelling Ararat. So they're pointing there.

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Speaker 2: We have the.

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Speaker 3: Armenian historian Moses Karazzi, writing in the four hundreds, who says, yes,

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Speaker 3: humanity was rebooted here, and he points to their great progenitor, Flake,

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Speaker 3: many vectors pointing here. Ancient Greek and Roman historians pointed

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Speaker 3: to ancient Armenia and they said, this is where humanity

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Speaker 3: by the Urtians.

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Speaker 2: Paul, though, what would you say in Turkey in terms

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Speaker 2: things that you're uncovered.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the symbols really became a key

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Speaker 3: for me, and it was the symbol of these winged

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Speaker 3: advance beings whom the Urtians called tingiered, and instead of

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Speaker 3: be the key to civilization. And what they're doing is

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Speaker 3: hand pollinating plants, and that implies that there's been a

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Speaker 3: catastrophic shift in the ecosphere. That means the Urtians can't

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Speaker 3: get plants to grow or fruit or to create harvests,

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Speaker 3: and so they're going to have to hand pollinate, cross pollinate,

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Speaker 3: bring plants from other regions, and create strains that can

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Speaker 3: thrive in the new situation. And that's the detailed story

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Speaker 3: that's told there that really took me by surprise. The

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Speaker 3: the Uratians were using e fields, running water over dense

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Speaker 3: magnetic rock to create electronic and electrical magnetic fields to

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Speaker 3: to affect our state of consciousnes business, and then having

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Speaker 3: a chalice with a potion in it, which archaeologists refer

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Speaker 3: to as a libation offering, again to affect our state

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Speaker 3: of consciousness. Because the Iranians they did all these things

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Speaker 3: hoping that they would achieve contact experiences with the Tingier,

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Speaker 3: who would help their ancestors in the deep past. And

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Speaker 3: that was a revelation to me.

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Speaker 2: What do you think was one of the most impressive

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Speaker 2: aspects of this to make you believe about the extraterrestrial

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Speaker 3: I think it was seeing these stories in context, being

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Speaker 3: able to compare them with what we find in what

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Speaker 3: same story of advanced beings with flight technology, teaching hand pollination.

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Speaker 3: It's such an unlikely story that when you see it

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Speaker 3: And there are other artifacts that tell you that stories

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Speaker 3: of cataclysm and recovery are relating to something real. In Cappadocia,

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Speaker 3: in Turkey, you've got a great network of underground cities

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Speaker 3: just blew me away how many times this story repeated

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Speaker 2: Do they say where they came from?

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Speaker 3: I think the hint is from the region of space

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Speaker 3: Otheratians and their predecessors were actually focused on another region

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Speaker 3: of space, and that's the Swan constellation or sickness.

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Speaker 2: Now you talk about pine cones and buckets and handbags,

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Speaker 2: what are these?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is something that's fascinated people for a long

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Speaker 3: these interesting beings. Often they have wings. Often they have

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Speaker 3: very prominent calf muscles. Sometimes they have bird heads. But

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Speaker 3: handbag or this bucket. And when we look at what

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Speaker 3: the Assyrians and the Ourtians carved, theirs are very definitely buckets,

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Speaker 3: and theirs are very definitely pine cones. And we know

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Speaker 3: what the Assyrians call them. The bucket is a bandoodoo

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Speaker 3: or a dalu, and we've actually recovered some of these

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Speaker 3: ancient buckets, and the pine cone is a malilu. And

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Speaker 3: in later ages they use these for purification rituals. But

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Speaker 3: the carvings and the paintings left behind tell us this

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Speaker 3: was equipment used in pollinating and cross pollinating plants. And

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Speaker 3: I think in a later stage the pine cone and

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Speaker 3: the bucket became a symbol for all the help that

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Speaker 3: these advanced others gave. It may even be a code

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Speaker 3: if we look at Yerevan and the paintings left behind

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Speaker 3: the images are very clear. These are tools used in

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Speaker 3: agriculture for cross pollination.

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