Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. I'm strong
Speaker 1: and Jackie enough, he armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2: We are always going to be merely human, just normal
Speaker 2: human people who need our mom.
Speaker 1: Mama, Mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home.
Speaker 1: We missed you. That's Annie Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie's sister, from
Speaker 1: a video of the family put out yesterday about four
Speaker 1: minutes long. Not exactly sure what all the goals were
Speaker 1: in there, but part of the goal was to reach
Speaker 1: out to potential kidnapper kidnappers and the start a conversation.
Speaker 1: The leading theory seems to be that they're not in
Speaker 1: conversations with the kidnapper, despite the reporting of a ransom
Speaker 1: note existing, because that only went to news outlets and
Speaker 1: not to the family.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's not clear that it was the same
Speaker 3: note that went to both outlets. The local TV stations
Speaker 3: seems more legit.
Speaker 1: There might be one hundred different probably are at this point, oases, etc. Yeah.
Speaker 1: John Miller is one of the few reasons to ever
Speaker 1: tune into CNN former FBI. He was on like what
Speaker 1: was he on Law and Order CSI He was a
Speaker 1: TV star for a while way back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he went back to cable news. Pretty sure
Speaker 1: he was. Anyway, here's John Miller on the story.
Speaker 4: You start off with proof of life. Can you show
Speaker 4: me a picture? Can you put the victim on the phone?
Speaker 4: Can you send us a recording? If not, that you
Speaker 4: can drill down to. I'm going to send you three questions.
Speaker 4: These are questions that only the victim would know. And
Speaker 4: you know, you try to test that kidnapper who's in
Speaker 4: the middle of a money demand and say, how can
Speaker 4: you prove two things to us? One that you're real
Speaker 4: that you are the person who has or had her,
Speaker 4: and two that she's still alive?
Speaker 1: And those are important tests. Yeah, that's all with the
Speaker 1: assumption that it's somebody that had a thought out plan
Speaker 1: to make money or what you know, you hope that
Speaker 1: that's the case. At least then you got a shot
Speaker 1: as opposed to it's just some weirdo, crazy person that
Speaker 1: thinks Savannah Guthrie was you know, specifically talking to him
Speaker 1: through the TV or who knows what?
Speaker 3: Oh lord, Yeah, well, even the first scenario I think
Speaker 3: by far, the most likely thing is that some half
Speaker 3: wit who decides he's a criminal genius who realizes almost
Speaker 3: immediately he's bitten off way more than he can chew,
Speaker 3: especially given poor missus Guthrie's health status. So he's got
Speaker 3: a very sick, elderly woman who could have.
Speaker 1: Died on his hands, and then he's like, what are
Speaker 1: I know? Right? Yeah, that's not unlikely, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: The Sheriff's department did not have a press conference yesterday,
Speaker 1: which I think is perfectly fine because they didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to say, but being criticized a lot, of course
Speaker 1: by your cable news show armchair quarterbacks who have to
Speaker 1: fill the hour with no new information on the story
Speaker 1: with something it's completely enoughheard of to not have a
Speaker 1: press conference. I don't know what kind of amateur hour
Speaker 1: we're dealing with here, you know, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But they're having a press conference today, which to me
Speaker 1: is fine. But although I did hear the sheriff asked
Speaker 1: what I hear mask that I was somewhat troubled by.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not his fault. How would all you
Speaker 1: do who've never been, you know, had a microphone stuck
Speaker 1: in your face with five TV cameras around you, when
Speaker 1: you start getting grilled on stuff, I mean, that's it's
Speaker 1: a tough position to be and if you've never done
Speaker 1: it before. But he was asked about if you if
Speaker 1: you think she's still alive, and he said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. H are you basing that on anything? And
Speaker 1: then uh, And then the reporter asked him, I thought
Speaker 1: this was an awful question, but there is the possibility
Speaker 1: she's dead. And he said, oh yeah, of course, thought
Speaker 1: what what is what is that? What is that conversation? Idiotic?
Speaker 1: I think that's that for Oh yeah, what what's what?
Speaker 1: A stupid question? Turn in your reporter card such a
Speaker 1: thing exists? Probably not. Don't report on anything ever again,
Speaker 1: go home, get a new job. Ashley Banfield, who used
Speaker 1: to be a big deal way back in the day.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I don't remember what she was. She
Speaker 1: was reporting with a headscarf on in Iraq at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the war or something. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: She was at the very tail end when CNN was
Speaker 3: at all respectable.
Speaker 1: She is a hack and here's her speculating over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days.
Speaker 5: One law enforcement source, very connected, highly regarded impeccable credentials.
Speaker 5: Knowledge of this investigation says that thomaso Cioni, Annie P.
Speaker 5: Guthrie's husband, maybe the prime suspect in this case. In
Speaker 5: Annie's vehicle has been towed, impounded and is now in evidence.
Speaker 5: At the very least, let me tamp that down, because
Speaker 5: sometimes it's the first person you're looking at, not prime,
Speaker 5: as in there's no one else, Okay, so let's be
Speaker 5: really mindful of that. Families are always looked at first
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're tamping down a rumor that you're starting. Correct.
Speaker 1: So that crying woman you just heard from at the
Speaker 1: beginning of this segment, Annie whose mom is missing and
Speaker 1: I'm sure their worried is already dead, her husband killed mom.
Speaker 1: According to Ashley Banfield, that's the prime suspect. Nobody else
Speaker 1: is reporting that at all. So only Ashley and as
Speaker 1: Joe pointed out earlier, and we're supposed to believe that
Speaker 1: somebody at a level where they would have the knowledge
Speaker 1: of who the prime suspect is decided to leak it
Speaker 1: and chose Ashley Banfield as the way to get it out,
Speaker 1: but nobody else. I'm not talking telling the New York
Speaker 1: Times or NBC News or any of the many heavyweight
Speaker 1: nom Gonna go with Ashley Banfield in her podcast for
Speaker 1: who the prime.
Speaker 3: Suspect is, even though the very knowledgeable miss Banfield pointed
Speaker 3: out that no, that might just be the first person
Speaker 3: they're looking at. I think the whole thing is hogwashed.
Speaker 3: The world oh click baity podcasts has realized there's no
Speaker 3: premium for telling the truth. There's no particular The other
Speaker 3: way to put it is, there's no particular penalty for
Speaker 3: lying constantly.
Speaker 1: A lot of the top podcasts in the world lie constantly,
Speaker 1: you know what, And I can understand. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. We don't do it. But I
Speaker 1: can see how if I'm just a regular person and
Speaker 1: I got a couple of different news outlets covering this
Speaker 1: story that I find jazzy enough to get my attention
Speaker 1: every single day, and one of them says they know
Speaker 1: who a prime suspect is. That's what I'm going to
Speaker 1: listen to, yep, even though it's crap. And how about
Speaker 1: that poor guy most likely as upset as his wife,
Speaker 1: really worried about his wife and how upset she is,
Speaker 1: and some hack on a podcast is claiming he's the
Speaker 1: prime suspect. How's that fun thing to deal with? I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's gotten back to the family. Yeah, maybe i'llo
Speaker 1: her crappy podcast. She's part of the News Nation team.
Speaker 1: I guess they played a podcast. Does a podcast under
Speaker 1: their I wasn't digging under Rocks for Ashley Banfield's podcast.
Speaker 1: They played that on News Nation for their morning news
Speaker 1: show today. Wow. Wow, I think that's really out of bound.
Speaker 1: And you can't you can't be claiming family members did
Speaker 1: it unless you got some real solid information that that's
Speaker 1: what the I said, A high high source only told
Speaker 1: me this, only told me hack Ashley Banfield. Correct, not
Speaker 1: John Miller, CNN hack, who's got all kinds of non
Speaker 1: hack hack network FB high connections and all kinds of
Speaker 1: people at the very highest levels. Don't tell him, tell
Speaker 1: Ashley Banfield. Right, that's out all that's out of line.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. So what what's your what's your
Speaker 1: working theory? My working theory?
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Speaker 1: It's good to be right. So we're on in various
Speaker 1: stations in Arizona and all over the country. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't say this hoping the I hope the family
Speaker 1: doesn't hear it or anything like that. This is just
Speaker 1: me treating this like a TV show, not like real
Speaker 1: human beings, I guess. But I think the most likely
Speaker 1: thing is they find the poor old woman dead somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's yeah, agreed on that they find her,
Speaker 1: you know, out in the bushes in the desert. He
Speaker 1: killed her, or she died on her own and he
Speaker 1: dumped her there. And then eventually they'll find the scumbag,
Speaker 1: maybe with a bullet in his head, who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the history of these crimes is full of would
Speaker 3: be criminal geniuses who are actually half wits, and they
Speaker 3: botch everything, and it just it's it's awful.
Speaker 1: How often is it kidnapping successful? Anyway? How often do
Speaker 1: you actually are you actually able to on both sides
Speaker 1: get what you want? You want your loved one back,
Speaker 1: the other person wants the money and to get away.
Speaker 1: I wonder how often that actually happens, because the old
Speaker 1: the trade off, you know, as a classic how the
Speaker 1: hell do you do it? You walk across a bridge
Speaker 1: with a briefcase, and the person with their hands tied
Speaker 1: or whatever you do. But it always requires some trust
Speaker 1: on both sides, and how often does it ever actually work?
Speaker 1: It's got the percentage has got to be incredibly low. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would guess it's it's very, very small. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: world of cryptocurrente has made the money exchange much safer
Speaker 1: for the monster. I mean, ransomware attacks.
Speaker 3: Are essentially, you know, kidnapping a computer system, and it's
Speaker 3: pretty easy to get paid these days. We've seen a
Speaker 3: ton of those obviously, but you'd.
Speaker 1: Still have to have some trust involved there, because I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent. Yeah I'm not. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not sending you the money until I know you got
Speaker 1: her or you're going to give her back to me.
Speaker 1: And he's saying, well, I'm not sending you the money.
Speaker 1: I mean, on the first one you can figure out,
Speaker 1: the second one you can't. Right, You've just got to
Speaker 1: hope they come through, and their lives would be easier
Speaker 1: if they drop off the victim, as opposed to you know,
Speaker 1: adding murder to their many charges. It's grim. It's a
Speaker 1: horrible crime. Yeah, but the likelihood of success so low.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that it happens very often. Back to my
Speaker 1: half wit spree. That is the problem. It's a moron,
Speaker 1: some moron from Arizona who heard that Savannah Guthrie's mom
Speaker 1: lives in that neghborhood over there. I know what I'll do,
Speaker 1: says the moron. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Strong.
Speaker 1: We have found a one hundred and fifty year old
Speaker 1: bottle of alcohol to eighteen seventies eighteen nineties. This is
Speaker 1: the era we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: It's in reasonably good shape, I would say, after sitting
Speaker 4: for one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1: You know, very very slight vinegar. When we're smelling the
Speaker 1: cork giver shot doesn't smell that kind of an oxidized fruit. Note,
Speaker 1: it's fruity. That's beer. There is a little bit of leather.
Speaker 1: You have to try it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, beer's beer because it's kind of as like a
Speaker 5: yeasty element in the background.
Speaker 1: Cati, you are making funny face to the people tasting
Speaker 1: me one hundred and fifty year old bottle of wine.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing alcohol. They just don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: That's the whole point, and they think it's beer.
Speaker 1: At the end. You never want something with a yeasty element.
Speaker 1: I'm getting. I'm getting notes of reconstruction with a little
Speaker 1: bit of a getting a little McKinley in there. I'm
Speaker 1: getting a set up just so. The aftertaste of Custar's
Speaker 1: last stand uh wow, years old. You see, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I would ingest that. I don't think I would either, No,
Speaker 1: even if it was tasted by like somebody to make
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't poison.
Speaker 3: At this point, I was just gonna say, hey, Michael,
Speaker 3: get ready with the harp noise.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty years ago today, Hey.
Speaker 3: Ma, I'm gonna store this rat poison in this here bottle.
Speaker 1: You don't be drinking anything a problem. Why do you
Speaker 1: keep all your urine in bottles, jip. I just feel
Speaker 1: like I should keep my urine for posterity. Need it.
Speaker 1: Don't question me. Woman. Now in the modern day, I'm
Speaker 1: detecting eastinoes. Wow. Oh, nice old Jeb and.
Speaker 3: His urine saving proclivities. Oh boy, speaking of drinking. Looking
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Speaker 3: to the new north Well Health Medical Facility in Long Island,
Speaker 3: New York, where patients are being given the greenlight to
Speaker 3: get quote frat house high on magic mushrooms, MDMA, and
Speaker 3: cannabis while watching sports and chowing down on chips, all
Speaker 3: in the name of medical science.
Speaker 1: Now, oh, I don't know what MDMA. There's another thing
Speaker 1: my kid could be doing. I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Nevermber Molly Holly ecstasy ish, says the director of the
Speaker 3: Manhassan based Feinstein Family Human Neuropsychopharmacology Lab. It's easy for
Speaker 3: you to say, we're studying full doses that produce anywhere
Speaker 3: from a four to six hour trip. They're trying to
Speaker 3: assess different substances ability to treat things like schizophrenia, schizophrenia
Speaker 3: and social anxiety.
Speaker 1: Many of those treat social anxiety. I can attest to this.
Speaker 1: The venture focuses on, at least briefly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it focuses on naturalistic environments that embody either the
Speaker 3: comfort of one's living room where patient's gonna get stoned,
Speaker 3: or a live bar setting for getting drunk, completely complete
Speaker 3: with high deftvs showing sports, highlights, snacks and refills on demand.
Speaker 1: Do you really need to do this? Can you just
Speaker 1: ask a whole bunch of people who've lived that lifestyle
Speaker 1: a lot questions.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain the science to you. Okay, all right.
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Speaker 1: Here's my favorite part.
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Speaker 3: for someone tripping on psychedelics. Well, another room is let
Speaker 3: in green for cannabis. Let's see, So you get hammered
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Speaker 3: comfortable environment like you would be in.
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Speaker 6: Microsoft founder Bill Gates apologizing for his association with sex
Speaker 6: offender Jeffrey Epstein, saying he regrets every minute they spent together.
Speaker 1: I was foolish to spend time with him. I was
Speaker 1: one of many people who ever knowing him.
Speaker 6: Gates said he never witnessed or took part in any
Speaker 6: inappropriate behavior. He insists his relationship with Epstein was focused
Speaker 6: on raising money for global health.
Speaker 1: Now his ex wife, we played that clip yesterday. She
Speaker 1: was on a podcast earlier in the week saying that's
Speaker 1: the reason they divorced. That's the reason she left her husband.
Speaker 1: She obviously believed he was doing something creepy, right, Yeah, at.
Speaker 3: The very least hanging out in places where people hooked
Speaker 3: up and had sex. The number of folks who persisted
Speaker 3: in being in contact with Epstein from all walks of
Speaker 3: life is really interesting, including several like of the highest
Speaker 3: members or officials in the Labor Party in Britain, and
Speaker 3: it was all about monetary connections, all about money flowing
Speaker 3: back and forth and insider trading tips and doing favors
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the one elon the email from elon, Hey,
Speaker 1: you got any wild parties coming up? I need to Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he said something like I need to let
Speaker 1: loose or something like that, I've been working so much
Speaker 1: or something like that. And that's like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: is that enough to assume that he means I want
Speaker 1: to go to the island and have sex with seventeen
Speaker 1: year old girls. No, no, I see a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Well I can't help them. By the way, the interesting
Speaker 1: part of that email was sent on Christmas morning, December
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, whatever the Christmas Who gets up on the
Speaker 1: twin fift things? Man, I need to go to Jeff
Speaker 1: Epstein's island. All that rapping and eggnug hey, I need
Speaker 1: to break So A I don't care, and B I
Speaker 1: give up.
Speaker 3: But there seems to be this assumption among people that
Speaker 3: every single day everything he did included a nude seventeen
Speaker 3: year old Epstein.
Speaker 1: Well, the only reason it's not true the only reason
Speaker 1: I bring this up is I've had two this week
Speaker 1: people I know and like, who gently prodded me that
Speaker 1: they're a little disappointed at how flippant we are about
Speaker 1: this story compared to everybody else, Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 3: Really, what version of it are we talking about? Well,
Speaker 3: that's what I always have to ask. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: that's that's the problem I have.
Speaker 1: So one, I don't believe there's a giant global child
Speaker 1: sex trafficking, rape dismemberment ring at all. So that's off
Speaker 1: the table. That includes the Bushes, the Obama's, Israel and
Speaker 1: everything I got. That's off the table. It's known that
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstem, you know, forced women that were, you know,
Speaker 1: teenagers under eighteen into situations where they were alone with
Speaker 1: men and had to have sex with them and all
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. We know that happened, which is awful.
Speaker 1: That's why he was in jail and ended up hanging
Speaker 1: himself as is ms Maxwell. Yes, but if he also
Speaker 1: had women who were and I assume this is true,
Speaker 1: willingly there knowing exactly what they were getting into. They
Speaker 1: were over the age of eighteen, hanging out with super
Speaker 1: rich dudes, who were they were willing to do things
Speaker 1: with because it makes for a cool lifestyle. Am I
Speaker 1: supposed to be super upset about that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I don't dig that. But it's not against the law
Speaker 1: right exactly. And that's what I was hinting at.
Speaker 3: Ask any NBA player about parties where women are more
Speaker 3: than willing to be sexually available, including young women, not
Speaker 3: underage women, but very young women. It's just it's not
Speaker 3: crazy in the circles of the super rich. So if
Speaker 3: Elon Musk said, hey, you haven't any of your big parties,
Speaker 3: I'll bet Elon. I'll bet Jeffrey Epstein had unbelievable blowout
Speaker 3: parties with booze and food and hot looking models and
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff in which there were no seventeen
Speaker 3: year olds at all.
Speaker 1: Actually, Elon said something to that effect the other day
Speaker 1: on a podcast. He said, trust me, if I need
Speaker 1: to find companionship, it's not hard given my name and
Speaker 1: recognition and everything like that. I'm sure true. He's the
Speaker 1: richest man in the world, also a pretty decent looking guy,
Speaker 1: and the richest man in the world. I don't think
Speaker 1: he probably needs I think he specifically said, I don't
Speaker 1: need Jeffrey Epstein to facilitate me getting companionship. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's true, right, Although facilitate getting underage companionship, you might
Speaker 1: need somebody if that's what he wanted, but I don't have.
Speaker 1: But there's no proof of that whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And you know what nobody has talked about, because as
Speaker 3: soon as it's found out that whomever, and there's a
Speaker 3: kind of a long list grown right now who claimed,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I dropped any contact with him immediately after
Speaker 3: the conviction or whatever, we haven't been in contact.
Speaker 1: Then it turns out you've been sending emails for years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all sorts of folks like that.
Speaker 3: They continued the contacts, the relationship, et cetera. I want
Speaker 3: a handful of them to explain it honestly, which I'm
Speaker 3: not going to get.
Speaker 1: But say, Howard Lutnix one of them. He's the one
Speaker 1: we played the clip back in the day of you know,
Speaker 1: I went over there and ate a massage table in
Speaker 1: the middle of his house and we left right away.
Speaker 1: And I told my wife after we left the house,
Speaker 1: since we got out on the sidewalk, I said, we
Speaker 1: are never talking to that guy again. And then there
Speaker 1: are emails of him communicating with Epstein after I want
Speaker 1: to hear them explain it.
Speaker 3: The guy was so incredibly well connected you just could
Speaker 3: hardly avoid it in the New York financial circles. Or
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's just so charming, or he told
Speaker 3: me he thought the girl was eighteen that he got
Speaker 3: convicted for.
Speaker 1: Or I just want them to explain it.
Speaker 3: What does the poll this guy have And no, it's
Speaker 3: not that he works for the IDF.
Speaker 1: By the way, stop it. One other thing on Epstein
Speaker 1: before we move on Bill and Hillary Clinton apparently, Oh,
Speaker 1: while they agreed to testify, I don't know what specifically
Speaker 1: they're going to be asked about, but they're really pushing
Speaker 1: to make it public. So currently it's going to be
Speaker 1: filmed behind closed doors and then I guess we get
Speaker 1: to see it and there will be a transcription, but
Speaker 1: they want it to be public. I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: interesting that they're pushing for it to be public.
Speaker 3: Alle hundred percent yeah, because they don't want what they
Speaker 3: say characterized by James Comer. They want the exact quotes there.
Speaker 3: And they go in knowing they're not going to get
Speaker 3: us for anything. We got either a we got nothing
Speaker 3: that they can use or B there's nothing they can
Speaker 3: use that are going to come out of our mouths.
Speaker 1: I also think they both are pretty confident in their
Speaker 1: ability to handle themselves in that situation. Verbally, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they'd love to have that live. Yeah, let's get it
Speaker 1: on now. I don't know how sharp Bill still is.
Speaker 1: He's pretty dang old. Yeah, Yes, what order do I
Speaker 1: want to do this in? Maybe I'll just skip to this.
Speaker 1: Do I do that alphabetical? So here's the story they
Speaker 1: had on CBS News like last night that I wanted
Speaker 1: to comment on about the rapidly approaching future of self
Speaker 1: driving cars.
Speaker 2: You've seen the viral videos self driving cars not following
Speaker 2: the rules of the road. Tuesday, Senator Ed Markey sent
Speaker 2: letters to seven autonomous vehicle companies demanding answers about safety
Speaker 2: and oversight. The Massachusetts Democrat is pushing two measures, one
Speaker 2: requiring more transparent currency and another requiring companies to certify
Speaker 2: their vehicles as safe. Tesla and Weimo have aggressive expansion plans,
Speaker 2: but warn every year China becomes a bigger and bigger competitor.
Speaker 2: Weimo says it's self driving vehicles are ten times less
Speaker 2: likely to be involved in a serious injury accident than
Speaker 2: a human driver.
Speaker 1: There was a lot about that. I thought it was interesting,
Speaker 1: and they touched mostly on Weimo and Tesla in their
Speaker 1: battle to be the dominant self driving car out there.
Speaker 1: And they talked about how there are currently lots of
Speaker 1: state laws. They're fifty different states with different laws, and
Speaker 1: Ted Kruz was saying, we need to have a uniform
Speaker 1: because cars, you know, cross state boundaries all the time,
Speaker 1: so we need to have some sort of uniform national
Speaker 1: something or other. But everybody sounded like they were trying
Speaker 1: to get to zero mistakes. Are you certified to be
Speaker 1: completely mistake free? I'm not. I was just going to.
Speaker 3: Say, what does that mean? They need to certify it
Speaker 3: as safe? That sounds like grand standy Congress bullcraft.
Speaker 1: Outside of a very easy to clear low bar to
Speaker 1: get a driver's license, none of us are certified as
Speaker 1: as safe as these self driving cars are. So it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I don't want self driving cars happen because
Speaker 1: I think they're going to force us into them. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. I think it's inevitable, but I
Speaker 1: just wish it wouldn't happen, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: very hard to argue you argue against it because it
Speaker 1: is going to be safer. One thing about the whole
Speaker 1: safe thing though, on the stats of ten times safer?
Speaker 1: Are you is it ten times safer than those of
Speaker 1: us who've never had a major crash or all the
Speaker 1: people that have never had a crash, or is it
Speaker 1: ten times safer than you know, the worst drivers out
Speaker 1: there now, the entire universe of driver. Well, I know
Speaker 1: that's what it is, but I would love to hear
Speaker 1: that comparison though. It's a really you if you took
Speaker 1: if you check out the most crash prone bottom ten
Speaker 1: percent of human drivers, then I wonder what the difference
Speaker 1: would be. It wouldn't ten times.
Speaker 3: For the record, stop expressing fractions as multiples.
Speaker 1: I hate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a really good question. I was
Speaker 3: just thinking about what an incredible boon to the elderly
Speaker 3: self driving cars will be and a drunk and drunks,
Speaker 3: the old and the drunk. Yes, And as an old drunk,
Speaker 3: trust me, I'm.
Speaker 1: Enthusiastic about this. Yeah, I just it sounded to me
Speaker 1: like the senator they were talking to has like a
Speaker 1: zero tolerance policy for any mistakes for self driving cars.
Speaker 1: When we've got you know, people staring at their phones
Speaker 1: at eighty five miles an hour, we even in out
Speaker 1: of traffic all over the country.
Speaker 3: You know what AI needs to do, This is brilliant.
Speaker 3: This is my billion dollar idea. AI needs to develop
Speaker 3: a three question test that it can immediately spin out
Speaker 3: on any topic. So if a congressman starts talking about
Speaker 3: self driving cars, they get that through quick three question
Speaker 3: test to determine whether they have any freaking idea what
Speaker 3: they're talking about. And if they failed the test, they're
Speaker 3: not allowed to talk. Or you know, you use it
Speaker 3: at cocktail parties or whatever, but you know, or people
Speaker 3: answering poll questions you think Trump's tariffs have been a
Speaker 3: good thing or bad thing?
Speaker 1: Before you answer, I got three questions. They featured the
Speaker 1: story we had this the other day in California, a
Speaker 1: waimo hit a six year old boy. Well, the six
Speaker 1: year old boy darted out behind a parked car. Nobody
Speaker 1: could have stopped. Weaimo made the argument that the reaction
Speaker 1: time of the computer was significantly faster than any human
Speaker 1: could have reacted. It was a fraction right, and but
Speaker 1: it's presented as like show, has anybody ever in their
Speaker 1: lives turned the wrong way down a one way street?
Speaker 1: Of course you have. Yeah, if Waimo does it or
Speaker 1: Tesla does it, it makes the news and they act
Speaker 1: like proof that you can't have self driving cars. There
Speaker 1: isn't anybody that hasn't ever done that in their life,
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I agree completely with your premise.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth dwelling at least for a second
Speaker 3: on the nature of journalism and speech perception that that
Speaker 3: Weaimo incident in which and we talked about this at
Speaker 3: fair length, but the car reacted in a super human
Speaker 3: tiny span of time, ended up bumping the kid at
Speaker 3: a speed that would hardly break an egg, and the
Speaker 3: kid was fine.
Speaker 1: Put a human driver behind that wheel.
Speaker 3: The headline ought to be way Mo saves child's life
Speaker 3: in situation where a human driver would have killed the child.
Speaker 1: Long headline, you see my point. If the human hit
Speaker 1: the brakes at all, might have been checking your uh,
Speaker 1: what's the next song on my phone? Oh boy, kid's dead? Yeah.
Speaker 1: To present it, yeah, exactly. They had videos last night.
Speaker 1: We've all seen the videos. There's a way Mo going
Speaker 1: the wrong way down a one way street, and I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done that, everybody's done that. So but this makes
Speaker 1: the evening news. I don't probably. I just wonder how.
Speaker 1: I just want if we have the structure to allow
Speaker 1: that to happen. The self driving car, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I use mine every single day. It's
Speaker 1: it's and I never thought I wanted it or needed it,
Speaker 1: and now that I have it, I use it every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of jealous of that, honestly.
Speaker 3: So quick on air meeting, I've got too many tabs open.
Speaker 1: Is it likely we're going to get back to the.
Speaker 3: French guy who was in the hospital with a World
Speaker 3: War One artillery shell in his rectum. No, because if not,
Speaker 3: I will go ahead and close that tab.
Speaker 1: Twenty four year old frenchman and it didn't explode on.
Speaker 3: Him, no, sir, but they had to close the hospital
Speaker 3: because he had well. I think I mentioned an unexploded
Speaker 3: eight inch long World War One artillery shell.
Speaker 1: I don't remember having the length.
Speaker 3: I think I may have left that out the initial
Speaker 3: chat of the story, and I apologize for it. I
Speaker 3: feel like I wouldn't have forgotten that well, and the
Speaker 3: picture of it well, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: This we know if it was British, German or French.
Speaker 3: It doesn't say probably German, as the Germans used the
Speaker 3: French quite effectively.
Speaker 1: There for a while here, what you're gonna hear? What
Speaker 1: you're suggesting? All right? I do want to get to
Speaker 1: that definition of social isn't it been a bunch of other
Speaker 1: stuff we got coming up? Stay here? So I came
Speaker 1: across this explanation of socialism. It was an old YouTube
Speaker 1: video from black and white from way back in the
Speaker 1: day from this guy Bertrand Russell, who I've heard of
Speaker 1: but didn't know that much about. He's a very famous philosopher,
Speaker 1: one of the most important philosophers of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: Born in eighteen seventy two, so I mean, that's how
Speaker 1: far it goes back. He lived almost one hundred years,
Speaker 1: so there were, you know, YouTube videos of him in
Speaker 1: the fifty sixties and seventies. Obviously kind of a wacky guy.
Speaker 1: He was a pacifist. I'm always amazed by how many
Speaker 1: super smart people are passifists, because it seems like the
Speaker 1: odd ideology but nit wit to me, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense, and other things. But anyway he went.
Speaker 1: He thought communism seemed like a good idea, and so
Speaker 1: he went over to the Soviet Union. He was very old, remember,
Speaker 1: so back in the hey. He went over and he
Speaker 1: met Lenin and talked to him everything like that. And
Speaker 1: he was in the Soviet Union and he saw it
Speaker 1: in practiced and thought this is awful and figured out
Speaker 1: what it is. And Marx himself, he said, was not
Speaker 1: inspired by kindly feeling. That's the way it's always presented Marxism.
Speaker 1: It's to help the lower classes. Marx and people who
Speaker 1: believe in it pretend that they want the happiness of
Speaker 1: the proletariat. What they really want is the unhappiness of
Speaker 1: the bourgeois. Ah. And that is the best explanation I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of what's going on there. They presented as
Speaker 1: Mumdanni's like that. They presented as like, no, I want
Speaker 1: to help the downtroden. Know what I want to do
Speaker 1: is I want to stick it to the people who've
Speaker 1: got something that they're They're driven by their anger toward
Speaker 1: the people who have been successful and a stuff right
Speaker 1: more than they are by helping the lower classes, which
Speaker 1: helps me explains a lot of the policies that you think, well,
Speaker 1: how is that going to help the lower class. It's not.
Speaker 1: They just want to stick it to the rich.
Speaker 3: Including the interesting and twisted children of wealth, who turned
Speaker 3: to these philosophies and advocates, sometimes violently for them. Is
Speaker 3: at Tybee brilliantly phrased at the upper class twits promoting
Speaker 3: revolution period.
Speaker 1: Bertrand Russell met Lenin and was disturbed. What he saw
Speaker 1: is the Bolsheviks willingness to use cruelty and deception to
Speaker 1: maintain power. He wrote a famous book called The Practice
Speaker 1: and Theory of Bolshevism that it always will lead to
Speaker 1: authoritarian rule ding blah blah blah, and he said. He
Speaker 1: criticized Marxist theory of the state withering away, You'll no
Speaker 1: longer have a state and we'll be free as unrealistic,
Speaker 1: arguing that concentrating power in the hands of a revolutionary
Speaker 1: vanguard will lead to tyranny rather than liberation. Obviously, ding,
Speaker 1: who's going to enforce this? Somebody?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, and with the state and control of everything,
Speaker 3: the state's control apparatus, it has got to be super muscular.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Obviously, that really hit me as like
Speaker 1: made sense, though, because I've never quite understood how you're
Speaker 1: so motivated to because your anger at the successful, that's
Speaker 1: what motivates you. Where does that come from? And that
Speaker 1: I don't get, but it's clearly the case. Where does
Speaker 1: it come from in general? And where does it come
Speaker 1: from in the rich kids. That's why tax the billionaires
Speaker 1: or all those sorts of things work so well. Even
Speaker 1: if it doesn't help you a bit, it's just at
Speaker 1: least they got the ldures I hate those people are successful.
Speaker 2: We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the
Speaker 2: warmth of collectivism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes, that'll work this time. Socialism sucks. It's
Speaker 3: always miserable, it always fails, and it always ends up
Speaker 3: in tyranny, and yet many young people are attracted to it.
Speaker 3: Could it be because neuroscientists have revealed gen zers are
Speaker 3: the first generation since records began to be kept, to
Speaker 3: be less intelligent than their parents.
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