Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership
Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: It was early morning, about six o'clock on November thirteenth,
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty six, when Robert Packington, a London merchant, was
Speaker 2: fatally shot while on his way to attend early Mass
Speaker 2: at Mercer's Chapel at Saint Thomas of Acon. It was
Speaker 2: the first firearm crime in London's history and a crime
Speaker 2: that has never been solved. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarky.
Speaker 1: And I'm Holly Frye. It was a short walk from
Speaker 1: Robert's home on Needler's Lane to the chapel one that
Speaker 1: he made daily to worship. That day, he carried a lantern.
Speaker 1: It was still dark and the air was very foggy,
Speaker 1: filled with chimney smoke, and missed from the Thames. His
Speaker 1: route took him, as it always did, down Cheapside Street,
Speaker 1: which ran east to west between two public water fountains
Speaker 1: in the city, the Great Conduit to the Little Conduit.
Speaker 1: As he crossed the street, just a few feet from
Speaker 1: his destination, a single gunshot rang out and Robert, fatally
Speaker 1: hit by a bullet, fell to the ground a crowd,
Speaker 1: many of whom were his fellow church goers, began to
Speaker 1: gather around him and began asking questions such as who
Speaker 1: would kill Robert such a respectable fellow, and why the
Speaker 1: murder was a shock for Londoners. After all, nobody had
Speaker 1: been killed in London by a handgun ever before, and
Speaker 1: there was little information to go on.
Speaker 2: Most, if not all, detailed accounts of this killing derived
Speaker 2: from a single primary source, a man named Edward Hall,
Speaker 2: who was a member of Parliament and chronicler of Robert
Speaker 2: Packington's life. They were contemporaries of Packington's death. He wrote
Speaker 2: that a gun was heard by neighbors and bystanders, but
Speaker 2: no one saw the assailant because it had been a
Speaker 2: densely foggy night.
Speaker 1: Let's break out of Robert's death scene for a moment
Speaker 1: to talk about gun crime and a little gun history.
Speaker 1: This was the first recorded gun fatality in London, but
Speaker 1: the type of gun used was notable too. The first
Speaker 1: firearm was used in thirteen sixty four, again the first
Speaker 1: recorded use. Today, the United Kingdom has one of the
Speaker 1: lowest levels of gun crime in the world. There is
Speaker 1: limited access of the general public to firearms and many
Speaker 1: types of guns are banned, others are subject to strict
Speaker 1: control measures, including proper licensing, but this was not the
Speaker 1: case in the sixteenth century. Robert had been shot with
Speaker 1: a wheel lock pistol, which was the first self igniting
Speaker 1: gun and had just been introduced sometime in fifteen thirty four,
Speaker 1: so just two years before this murder. It was a
Speaker 1: long barreled pistol that really changed the firearm world. Previously,
Speaker 1: fire arms that were in general use were absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: like it. Prior to the wheel lock gun style, by
Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourteen hundreds, arquebuses were in use.
Speaker 1: They were long, slow loading matchlock rifles and pretty typical
Speaker 1: of the muskets that they'd have used in colonial America.
Speaker 1: For example, they were big, more than a meter long,
Speaker 1: and they had to be held using both hands. The
Speaker 1: gunpowder was ignited with a lighted match. A matchlock style
Speaker 1: firearm would have absolutely attracted attention wherever it was fired
Speaker 1: on the battlefield or by an assassin on a foggy night.
Speaker 2: When wheel locks were first introduced, they were limited to
Speaker 2: personal use by nobles, officers the elite. They could be
Speaker 2: floated and ready to go at a moment's notice, unlike
Speaker 2: matchlock guns, but that came at a cost. Literally, the
Speaker 2: cost of manufacturing this type of gunlock kept it out
Speaker 2: of most people's hands. By the early fifteen forties, wheelock
Speaker 2: pistols began to appear on the battlefield, particularly with cavalry
Speaker 2: and royal bodyguards. They were becoming a popular firearm, and
Speaker 2: many people wondered and worried that off the battlefield they'd
Speaker 2: fall into the hands of assassins and those with violent natures.
Speaker 1: In his book In Assassin's Deeds, A History of Assassination
Speaker 1: from Ancient Egypt to the present Day, John Whittington claims
Speaker 1: Robert Packington's death was likely the first assassination by a
Speaker 1: firearm in history. Using a wheel lock pistol meant the
Speaker 1: killer could be just a few yards away from their
Speaker 1: victim when they pulled the trigger. There would have been
Speaker 1: a flash in an explosion, but on a foggy night
Speaker 1: like the one of Robert's death, the small, discreete gun
Speaker 1: allowed the killer to quickly get in and out of
Speaker 1: the area.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break for a word from
Speaker 2: our sponsors, and when we're back, let's learn about who
Speaker 2: Robert Packington was, and if there was anything about his
Speaker 2: life that could have been a motive for his death.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to crimin Ilia. Let's talk about the life
Speaker 1: of Robert Packington.
Speaker 2: Robert Packington was probably born in fourteen eighty nine, though
Speaker 2: this was a very long time ago, and various records
Speaker 2: through history suggest it might have been anywhere between fourteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine and fourteen ninety six. It's a little bit
Speaker 2: squishy there. He grew up in the region of Worcestershire,
Speaker 2: where large tracts of land had been long held by
Speaker 2: the Washburn family. His father, John Packington, was married to
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Washburn. Robert had three brothers, John, Augustine, and Humphrey.
Speaker 1: Robert married twice. He and his first wife, Agnes Baldwin,
Speaker 1: married in fifteen twenty, and they had two two sons
Speaker 1: and three daughters, Thomas, John, Elizabeth, Ann, and Margaret. Widowed,
Speaker 1: although we're not sure when that happened exactly. Robert remarried
Speaker 1: his second wife, Catherine Dallum, also a widow, had a
Speaker 1: son and daughter, George and Dorothy, from her previous marriage.
Speaker 2: Like his older brother, John, Robert was an inner templar
Speaker 2: after the military order of the Knights Templar were disbanded
Speaker 2: by Pope Clement the fifth and the fourteenth century lawyers
Speaker 2: began to occupy the remaining temple site and buildings, and
Speaker 2: they formed two societies, the Inner Temple and the Middle Temple.
Speaker 2: They acted as legal advisors. The societies were basically organized
Speaker 2: similar to the colleges at Oxford and Cambridge Universities. They
Speaker 2: offered accommodation to those who practiced the law and to
Speaker 2: their students, and there were facilities for legal education. Robert
Speaker 2: was admitted in fifteen twenty, but he never practiced, despite
Speaker 2: his brother's inclusion and also that his father in law,
Speaker 2: John Baldwin, was Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas,
Speaker 2: Robert saw the society mostly for its social potential. When
Speaker 2: he was admitted, he'd already completed a decade long apprenticeship
Speaker 2: with the Mercers Company, one of twelve significant livery companies
Speaker 2: in London. The Mercer's was a trade organization for general
Speaker 2: merchants and specifically for those who traded cloth, and by
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty Robert was a prominent importer and exporter of
Speaker 2: cloth and various sunderies, and a successful merchant.
Speaker 1: Robert was it would seem at the top of his game.
Speaker 1: He was a quote leading light in the Mercer's Company,
Speaker 1: a quote philanthropic force for good. In fifteen sixteen, he
Speaker 1: was one of the worshipful commoners in attendance at a
Speaker 1: general court of the merchant Adventurers twice, first in fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty three and again in fifteen twenty nine. The Mercer's
Speaker 1: Company elected him, along with a few others their merchants,
Speaker 1: to quote, devise such articles as should be thought necessary
Speaker 1: as well for the enhancing and bringing up of the
Speaker 1: hants concerning the merchant Adventurers, and for all other things,
Speaker 1: and to devise what things be most necessary and behooveful
Speaker 1: for the common wheel of the city to be moved
Speaker 1: at this next Parliament. So the first time he was asked,
Speaker 1: Packington gave them what they wanted. He played ball. In
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty nine, however, when called upon by his company
Speaker 1: to again devise articles for presentation to Parliament, he ruffled
Speaker 1: more than a few feathers when he sharply criticized the
Speaker 1: Catholic clergy. After all, Robert was Catholic. Of the five
Speaker 1: grievances suggested for redress to Parliament that year, Robert also
Speaker 1: included one that he knew would figure prominently in the
Speaker 1: proceedings of the House of Commons. Quote to have in
Speaker 1: remembrance how the King's poor subjects, principally of London have
Speaker 1: been pulled and robbed without reason or conscience by the
Speaker 1: ordinaries in probating of testaments and taking of mortuaries, and
Speaker 1: also vexed and troubled by citations, with cursing one day
Speaker 1: and as soiling the next eth haic omnia propecunis, which
Speaker 1: in Latin means and for all this money. He had
Speaker 1: political and religious opinions, and he spoke them.
Speaker 2: Packington was not only a prominent merchant and businessman, he
Speaker 2: also became a member of Parliament. Robert was elected to
Speaker 2: replace William Boyer when the parliamentary vacancy became available in
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty three. He was re elected in fifteen thirty six.
Speaker 2: Probably that's a probably because the names of the members
Speaker 2: for London that year are lost to history, perhaps in
Speaker 2: a fire, but it's widely assumed he held the seat
Speaker 2: because the King asked for the reelection of the previous members.
Speaker 2: Chronicler and Member of Parliament Edward Hall noted that Packington
Speaker 2: was quote a man of a great courage and one
Speaker 2: that both could speak and also would be heard. He
Speaker 2: spoke in Parliament somewhat against the covetousness and cruelty of
Speaker 2: the clergy.
Speaker 1: So with a case this old, it's pretty unlikely we'll
Speaker 1: ever really know who did it. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: the biggest theory surrounding Robert's death. It involves politics and religion.
Speaker 1: Historians suspect Robert may have been a target because he
Speaker 1: had criticized not the King but the Catholic clergy more
Speaker 1: than once. He had been outspoken about his criticisms, including
Speaker 1: to Parliament. Some blamed the Catholic clergy directly for his death,
Speaker 1: including scandalous yet possibly well founded allegations by Protestants that
Speaker 1: the Bishop of London had hired the assassin.
Speaker 2: Packington, who was himself Catholic, had developed reformist religious convictions
Speaker 2: and perhaps expected bark but instead got bites in recas
Speaker 2: thoughts to his ongoing criticism of Catholic clergy. He was
Speaker 2: a successful London merchant with connections and sympathies with notable
Speaker 2: Protestants and those of other beliefs. As a businessman, he
Speaker 2: worked with lots of different people. Most people in England
Speaker 2: were Catholic, but that was changing during the years that
Speaker 2: marked the end of Robert's life. When the King, King
Speaker 2: Henry the Eighth broke with the Church, it was shocking
Speaker 2: to many. Some opposed the decision, though defiance was punishable
Speaker 2: by death under Henry's New Treasons Act of fifteen thirty four.
Speaker 2: Full disclosure here on this This is a very long
Speaker 2: and complicated historical story, so forgive us as we stick
Speaker 2: to the highlight reel.
Speaker 1: King Henry the Eighth had been a devout Catholic, and
Speaker 1: he'd defended the pope against new Protestant ideas being published
Speaker 1: by Martin Luther, a German theologian. Luther published a series
Speaker 1: of criticisms of the Catholic Church in fifteen seventeen, inspiring
Speaker 1: what would eventually become a new branch of Christianity known
Speaker 1: as Protestantism. It began as a protest against the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: Henry's break with the Catholic Church for the reasons we're
Speaker 1: about to discuss, eventually led to England's transition to a
Speaker 1: Protestant country, an event called the English Reformation.
Speaker 2: Robert was killed at a time when a whole lot
Speaker 2: was converging in political and religious realms in England, and
Speaker 2: one of those things was that the King of England
Speaker 2: wanted an annulment, and the Catholic Church wouldn't grant him one.
Speaker 2: But he was king and he wanted one, So some
Speaker 2: dirty deeds went down. Catherine of Aragon was Queen of
Speaker 2: England and the first wife of King Henry the Eighth
Speaker 2: from their marriage in fifteen oh nine until its annulment
Speaker 2: on May twenty third, fifteen thirty three. That annulment was
Speaker 2: not so easy, and for a few reasons. Catherine had
Speaker 2: previously been married to Henry's older brother, Arthur Tudor, and
Speaker 2: married Henry after Arthur died just months after they had wed.
Speaker 2: Henry's argument for dissolving his marriage was that, through an
Speaker 2: interpretation of the Catholic Bible quote, if a man marries
Speaker 2: his brother's wife, the couple will be childless. Catherine had
Speaker 2: given birth several times, but only one daughter survived, Mary Tudor,
Speaker 2: for seven years. Pope Clement the seventh basically avoided the
Speaker 2: annulment issue, mainly to avoid alienating Catherine's nephew, who happened
Speaker 2: to be Charles the Fifth, the Holy Roman Emperor.
Speaker 1: If the Pope wouldn't do it for him, Henry would
Speaker 1: find another solution to end his marriage. He broke ties
Speaker 1: with the Catholic Church and with Rome, and he declared
Speaker 1: himself to be the supreme head of the Church of England.
Speaker 1: Now that he oversaw his own church, he had his
Speaker 1: own Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas kranmer annull that marriage to Catherine.
Speaker 1: He had Parliament pass an act to stop Catherine from
Speaker 1: being able to appeal to the pope, which is a
Speaker 1: heavy handed move in a breakup. And then he married
Speaker 1: Anne Boleyn and on that. We're going to take a
Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsors, so meet us
Speaker 1: right back here to talk about how Robert's life as
Speaker 1: a Catholic intertwined with his country's religious upheaval.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Criminalia. While no one was ever identified
Speaker 2: as the killer, there was plenty of speculation. But before
Speaker 2: we speculate, let's talk a bit more about politics and religion.
Speaker 1: The Reformation had repercussions, including an Act of Parliament past
Speaker 1: which led to the dissolution of Catholic properties such as monasteries, priories, convents,
Speaker 1: and friaries in England, Wales and parts of Ireland, and
Speaker 1: that led to many uprisings. Prominent figures such as Thomas
Speaker 1: Cromwell and Thomas Cranmer, who had Protestant sympathies, began to
Speaker 1: rise at court.
Speaker 2: Between fifteen thirty six and fifteen forty, inspectors commissioned the
Speaker 2: Valor Ecclesiasticus were assigned to report on the wealth and
Speaker 2: the lifestyles of those in all of those Catholic properties
Speaker 2: about to be closed. These reports, written as you may imagine,
Speaker 2: with anti Catholic bias, stated that monks were living in
Speaker 2: wealth and luxury and not at all as humbly as expected.
Speaker 2: Assets and lands were sold off for the benefit of
Speaker 2: the Crown, though much was sold to the nobles as
Speaker 2: a way to secure them as pro Church of England.
Speaker 2: There was little resistance among clergy and among members of Parliament,
Speaker 2: except for Chancellor Thomas Moore, who was beheaded when he
Speaker 2: refused to swear allegiance to the king.
Speaker 1: The Chancellor wasn't the only one to take issue with
Speaker 1: the Act of Dissolution and the general move against the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church in October of fifteen thirty six. At that point,
Speaker 1: just a few weeks before Robert's death, thousands of people
Speaker 1: and we've seen numbers reportedly as high as thirty thousand
Speaker 1: from the north of England rose up against Henry's New
Speaker 1: Church of England and Protestantism and against the treatment of Catholics,
Speaker 1: and marched to York under a Catholic banner of the
Speaker 1: Five Wounds of Christ. That's an uprising known as the
Speaker 1: Pilgrimage of Grace. Those involved were promised a pardon and
Speaker 1: the opportunity to address their demands. Accepting that result, they disbanded,
Speaker 1: but Henry's response was instead brutal. Many were arrested, hundreds
Speaker 1: were executed, and the group's leader, Robert Askey, was hung
Speaker 1: in chains where he was left to starve to death.
Speaker 2: While no one was ever identified as Robert Packington's killer,
Speaker 2: there was plenty of speculation. Chronicler Edward Hall, who was
Speaker 2: Protestant minded, dabbled in some of that speculation when he
Speaker 2: suggested that quote most likely Robert had been murdered by
Speaker 2: a cleric. With such religious upheaval happening, it was probably
Speaker 2: a good guess. Another chronicler at the time, John Fox,
Speaker 2: brazenly named Packington's murderer as doctor Robert Vincent, the Dean
Speaker 2: of Saint Paul's, without any real evidence to back that up.
Speaker 2: Though Fox later wrote that alleged assailants confessed on their
Speaker 2: deathbeds well, no one ever confessed to this crime. Protestants, though,
Speaker 2: claimed Packington as a martyr for their cause.
Speaker 1: Robert was buried in the parish church of Saint Pancras.
Speaker 1: He had drawn up a will on November twenty third,
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty five, almost exactly one year for his murder,
Speaker 1: with his wife and his brother Humphrey as executors. In it,
Speaker 1: he stated that he trusted he'd find salvation quote only
Speaker 1: by the merits of Jesus Christ. In London. At this time,
Speaker 1: children legally became orphans if they had lost both parents
Speaker 1: or their father, and Robert's children from his first marriage
Speaker 1: had now lost both him and their mother, Agnes. On
Speaker 1: November twentieth, fifteen thirty seven, about a year after the shooting,
Speaker 1: the Court of Aldermen officially placed his eldest son, Thomas,
Speaker 1: in the care of Sir John Baldwin, that was Agnes's father.
Speaker 1: About five years later, Thomas, then of age, acknowledged that
Speaker 1: he had received his share of his father's estate, and
Speaker 1: that in fifteen forty four his younger brother did as well.
Speaker 1: In fact, despite never knowing what happened to their father
Speaker 1: that early morning, all of Robert's children were, it appears,
Speaker 1: cared for Elizabeth, known as Best married twice, as did Margaret,
Speaker 1: and married Richard Cupper esquire little information information that's pretty
Speaker 1: questionable at least remains about Robert's son John, His and
Speaker 1: the lives of other John Packington's have kind of woven
Speaker 1: together over the centuries, so it's hard to know what
Speaker 1: accounts are referring to which one of them. Thomas, his
Speaker 1: eldest son, went on to be knighted by Queen Mary
Speaker 1: the first Catherine and Henry the Eighth's only surviving child
Speaker 1: and a Catholic in October of fifteen fifty three.
Speaker 2: Talk about a cold, cold, cold, cold case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are you ready to step into the cooler
Speaker 1: and discuss this with me?
Speaker 2: Yes? It might take me a while through all the
Speaker 2: centuries to get there.
Speaker 1: Right on, come on, you can do it. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna add in some personal biographical information to this one,
Speaker 1: because we're doing this episode on a day when I
Speaker 1: am trapped at my house because snow, so I can't
Speaker 1: go out and get new ingredients. So one I had
Speaker 1: to work with what I had on hand. Now that
Speaker 1: may sound limiting, but let me be clean.
Speaker 2: I was laughing at just no, I have limited in my.
Speaker 1: House, a pretty well stocked bar. But it also meant that, like,
Speaker 1: if I had an idea that was something that I
Speaker 1: didn't have on hand, I can't just run out and
Speaker 1: get it. So for a minute, because thinking about this
Speaker 1: time in history, we're talking at a time when it's
Speaker 1: pretty much all beer and wine of some sort. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll do some sort of shandy
Speaker 1: and I'll go get like a nice beer, and but
Speaker 1: I can't do that, and I don't tend to keep
Speaker 1: beer on hand, so be safe. Then I was like,
Speaker 1: what about wine? And I don't tend to keep a
Speaker 1: lot of wine on hand. I've used ruby port this
Speaker 1: season already, yes, pretty recently, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: repeat that yet. And I was like, oh, what about
Speaker 1: Bubbly And then I did some research and it didn't
Speaker 1: exist yet, so I don't want to use that. But
Speaker 1: then I remember word vermouth, which is just a fortified wine. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I have that please refrigerate your vermouth. It does
Speaker 1: not have a high enough ABV to be sitting on
Speaker 1: the counter. That's one part of my soapbox for the day.
Speaker 2: It's a little PSA.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to do something that we haven't because
Speaker 1: this is an unusual event, you know, this was the
Speaker 1: first time. It was all novel, the way everyone was
Speaker 1: perceiving it was novel. I thought I should use at
Speaker 1: least something that I don't think we've ever used on
Speaker 1: the show before, which is funny because it's not an
Speaker 1: uncommon ingredient, but it isn't when I reach for all
Speaker 1: that often, and that is driver mouth. Hey, we've used
Speaker 1: sweet vermuth a few times, but I have dry. And
Speaker 1: I also because all of the discussion that we had
Speaker 1: about the evolution of firearms at this time is so
Speaker 1: evocative and it made me think of that distinctive smell
Speaker 1: of gunshot, that I wanted to do something with a
Speaker 1: smoke note without doing liquid smoke. Although heads up, that's
Speaker 1: gonna appear in the mocktail. But for the cocktail, which
Speaker 1: we're calling first shot, although it is not a shot,
Speaker 1: here's what we're putting together. It's an easy one. It's
Speaker 1: four ingredients. They're each one ounce, So you're gonna do
Speaker 1: one ounce of lemon juice, one ounce of simple syrup,
Speaker 1: one ounce of driver mouth, and then one ounce of
Speaker 1: mescal and you are gonna shake this together in your
Speaker 1: shaker and strain it into a pre chilled glass. This
Speaker 1: is a really really good drink. It's it does something
Speaker 1: so cool, which is not something I anticipated. It's almost
Speaker 1: as though the ingredients line up on your palate to
Speaker 1: like raise their hand one by one. Because the first
Speaker 1: thing you taste is that driver mooth. That's sort of
Speaker 1: like if you're familiar with sweetervermoth and you haven't had
Speaker 1: dry before. Dry. It's also sweet, it's just not as sweet,
Speaker 1: and it's a mellower sweetness, So you get that kind
Speaker 1: of mellow sweetness on your tongue, you get that little
Speaker 1: bit of citrus, and then the finish is where the
Speaker 1: mes cow makes itself known. Then you get that smoky thing.
Speaker 1: So now I have never been shot praise grito, but
Speaker 1: I imagine that is kind of what it's like, where
Speaker 1: you feel something and then you realize what it is,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how this plays out. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is a drink. What is this drink? Oh, there's
Speaker 1: a smoke note, there's a mescal. This is a mes
Speaker 1: cow drink. It's so delicious. I want to make a kajullion.
Speaker 2: Of them snowday drinks, maybe with leftovers. Sometimes the best
Speaker 2: thing there is.
Speaker 1: An optional presentation version of this, And I honestly this
Speaker 1: is drinker's choice, because I honestly can't tell if I
Speaker 1: like it better with or without, which is before you,
Speaker 1: before you strain into your pre chilled glass, dip one
Speaker 1: edge of that glass into water or lemon juice, and
Speaker 1: then dip it into black lava salt so that you
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a smoky salt note on
Speaker 1: the rim.
Speaker 2: I bet that's so delicious with that.
Speaker 1: It's good both ways. And I can't decide which one
Speaker 1: I like better. I really can't. Usually I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the one, right, yes, one both, It's just gonna
Speaker 1: be what you like. So lava salt, by the way,
Speaker 1: is not super hard to get. You can order it online.
Speaker 1: My grocery store sometimes has it. It's not very difficult
Speaker 1: to get your hands on. So that's not a particularly
Speaker 1: exotic ingredient. Okay, So for the mocktail for this, we're
Speaker 1: gonna switch some stuff up. The first thing you're gonna
Speaker 1: do is brew a cup like a regular eight outce
Speaker 1: cup according to packaging of like a lemon tea, and
Speaker 1: you are going to add a little bit of salt
Speaker 1: to that after you take the tea bag out or
Speaker 1: your tea infuser out, just like a little a pinch,
Speaker 1: a little pinch, and then you were going to take
Speaker 1: three ounces of that three ounces of your salted lemon tea.
Speaker 1: You're gonna add your simple syrup, and then you will
Speaker 1: add just a dot, like a single dash of liquid smoke,
Speaker 1: and you'll shake that up in your shaker with ice
Speaker 1: and pour that into a pre chilled glass. Again, the
Speaker 1: salt on the rim is optional. That is a very
Speaker 1: refreshing one that gives you a similar flavor thing where
Speaker 1: the smoke is the finish note, but it is a
Speaker 1: little brighter overall because it just doesn't have alcohol in it,
Speaker 1: so it's a brighter sip. That's another good one that
Speaker 1: I think I will probably make in batches to just
Speaker 1: have around the house. It's like sweet with a little
Speaker 1: bit of salty, and there's that smoke finish and it's
Speaker 1: a really really yummy drink. So that is what we're
Speaker 1: calling the first shot. I'm gonna make another one right
Speaker 1: after we finish recording because it was really good. And
Speaker 1: this is another one that got the stamp of approval
Speaker 1: from my non drinker beloved that to me always says something.
Speaker 2: With us coal in it, Like, I'm surprised about that.
Speaker 1: Listen, I will say, I mean not to you know,
Speaker 1: overshare his palette information. But he's not a big drinker,
Speaker 1: but there are drinks that he likes yep, that to
Speaker 1: me are very heavy on alcohol flavor, even though that's
Speaker 1: not what he usually likes. It's a weird one. It's
Speaker 1: a weird one. There's a shot he gets at one
Speaker 1: of our favorite places to drink when we're traveling, and
Speaker 1: it's one I don't like. It's too spirit forward, but
Speaker 1: he loves it. And it's just you.
Speaker 2: Never know, you never know about Different.
Speaker 1: Palettes are complicated, Different things are going to hit different
Speaker 1: people's taste buds in different ways. So whatever it is
Speaker 1: in that that I don't respond to delights his palette.
Speaker 1: And again that's part of the ethos of our whole
Speaker 1: cocktail thing on this show is like figuring out what
Speaker 1: you like. Tweak any recipe. If you taste a recipe
Speaker 1: and you're like, there's something missing here, to figure out
Speaker 1: what it is that your palette wants an add it
Speaker 1: and see if that fixes it. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's about empowerment to make delicious things.
Speaker 2: I always say I like our Choose your adventure drinks,
Speaker 2: but they really all kind of are in some way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. If you don't like mescal,
Speaker 1: you could just make this with tequila or almost anything
Speaker 1: else and just try it out and see what you got. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope all of you are experimenting with fun things
Speaker 1: and figuring out what delights you the most and coming
Speaker 1: up with your own signature cocktails. We will be right
Speaker 1: back here next week with another cold case and another
Speaker 1: cocktail and mocktail to go with the story. Criminalia is
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