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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 3: our super producer Andrew Treforce Howard. Most importantly, you are you.
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Speaker 3: want you to know. If you are hearing our listener
Speaker 3: mail the evening it comes out, please allow us to
Speaker 3: be the first to welcome you to December nineteenth, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. Now full disclosure, we're recording this on December eleventh. However,
Speaker 3: we have so many stories to get to. One of
Speaker 3: the best parts of our weekly listener mail endeavor is
Speaker 3: that we get to hear from the most important part
Speaker 3: of the show, which is you, specifically you. We're talking
Speaker 3: about Wes Outlier, We're talking about some folks from oz
Speaker 3: We're talking about a hopefully awesome therapist. Before we do
Speaker 3: any of this, guys, this is one of our last
Speaker 3: listener mail programs before the end of what humans call
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four so hoping we could just get a
Speaker 3: quick vibe check. How are you guys feeling about twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four overall? How'd we do? That's fine. I think
Speaker 3: we did great. I think we did good.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of the work we've done in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Are there?
Speaker 4: You know, it's been ups and downs, you know, in
Speaker 4: terms of the state of affairs of the world, though,
Speaker 4: I would argue, you.
Speaker 2: Know, guys, I mentioned to you to have a friend
Speaker 2: who has been experiencing some UAP stuff. Yes, list I
Speaker 2: got a call from him very recently, and you know,
Speaker 2: take this with however many grains of salt you wish.
Speaker 3: To I'll say three, one for each of us.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't necessarily believe this. He doesn't necessarily believe this,
Speaker 2: but he feels as though he has been contacted in
Speaker 2: some way by some intelligence and the message that was
Speaker 2: relayed was one of essentially f around and find out
Speaker 2: with humanity because because allegedly a few craft have been
Speaker 2: shot down by government entities, and it's this whole thing,
Speaker 2: and it's making me a little nervous about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: But I'm also super excited that we might actually get
Speaker 2: our independence stay moment, you.
Speaker 3: Know, ah, yes, yes, not just July fourth for the US,
Speaker 3: but a sort of July fourth for the world. Matt,
Speaker 3: this is it's so funny that you say this, and
Speaker 3: funny and not nahaha, but in a way because I
Speaker 3: have been receiving similar communications, not from the great abroad,
Speaker 3: but more from people identifying as humans you never really
Speaker 3: know online anymore, right, and whatever twenty twenty five may
Speaker 3: indeed bring, we are collectively so grateful that you have
Speaker 3: joined our strange, continuing mission to find all the stuff
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: we're the type of guys who like to walk the
Speaker 3: walk over talking the talk. And that's why we're pausing
Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsors, and then we're gonna
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Speaker 2: And we are back, and let us begin with a
Speaker 2: message from an amazing person named oz Woman or going
Speaker 2: by oz Woman. We heard from oz Woman a while
Speaker 2: back when we talked about some of the strange frequencies
Speaker 2: emitting from I think it was a guy who had
Speaker 2: a PS four or something and maybe a strange thing,
Speaker 2: and she gave us some advice on that. And now
Speaker 2: she's calling in with some very personal stories about her life,
Speaker 2: some tales from what she's been through, what she's seen
Speaker 2: and done. And I just was so happy. This is
Speaker 2: two voice messages kind of smashed together into a mix.
Speaker 2: Mix them up.
Speaker 3: Oh and OZ Woman, it's great to hear from you again.
Speaker 3: I really appreciated the PlayStation comments too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Always something interesting to say and
Speaker 2: a very interesting person. So this is a mashup. There's
Speaker 2: several concepts ideas in here and stories. Let's just listen
Speaker 2: to the whole thing and then talk about what we
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about right on.
Speaker 5: This is oz Woman in Idaho. I joined Project Blackjack
Speaker 5: five and yes you can use this Blackjack five In
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety six, we were doing an
Speaker 5: interstellar laser or a laser guided missile system that would
Speaker 5: bounce off of satellites very much the same way Iron
Speaker 5: Dome warks. And we were doing this for the United
Speaker 5: States of America as well as for outer space. It
Speaker 5: was a program that you guys know as star Wars.
Speaker 5: That's right. I was in Star Wars from nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: nine to nineteen ninety six. And give you some weird
Speaker 5: context in twenty sixteen, I got a Christmas card from
Speaker 5: Trump thanking me for my service. Anyway. I worked for
Speaker 5: Maxwell Labs, and for SAIC and for you guessed at
Speaker 5: Lockheed stum Corks. So I'm just letting you guys know
Speaker 5: that as far as I know, there's nothing up there. Okay,
Speaker 5: but what do I know. I'm just a little peon
Speaker 5: and a big cob that still has their secret or
Speaker 5: better clearance that could be called back. Just within the
Speaker 5: last couple of years, I went to my closest airbase
Speaker 5: and said, Hey, I'd like to get access to the
Speaker 5: base on this person data DA And they said, oh, yes,
Speaker 5: we still have you in our system. You still have
Speaker 5: a secret or better clearance and you can be on
Speaker 5: recall at any time to come back and to go
Speaker 5: to Los Alamos. And I was like, oh, Jay, thanks
Speaker 5: a lot, really appreciate So far, have not been recalled
Speaker 5: so far, nothing that I know of are sketchy on
Speaker 5: the moon other than China. But yeah, and the fact
Speaker 5: that we did try and Blackjack five was on Fox
Speaker 5: News I don't know decades ago with a couple of
Speaker 5: missiles that were coming in toward a US Navy terrier
Speaker 5: and they had our system on board and were able
Speaker 5: to die fuse those missiles before they hit. Just wanted
Speaker 5: to keep you a little headset that. That's my story,
Speaker 5: and I will tell you one more. When I was
Speaker 5: working at Balbo Labs in San Diego, I used to
Speaker 5: have to stay until three or four in the morning
Speaker 5: Pacific time to get out my report to the White House.
Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan liked reading my reports because I wrote them
Speaker 5: in plain English, not all this scientific bull craft, as
Speaker 5: you put it. I'll leave it that way. And so
Speaker 5: one week I came in after General came down, met me,
Speaker 5: you know, met all of us. I'm just a lowly
Speaker 5: administrative assistant. And the next week I got a pound
Speaker 5: of cappuccino, jelly bellies and a pizza with everything on
Speaker 5: it from Pizza Hut, and a two liter bottle of
Speaker 5: Pepsi for me at the security gate because Reagan knew
Speaker 5: that I was the only one working and he wanted
Speaker 5: to give me a little oop to get my report
Speaker 5: in a little early so he didn't have to read
Speaker 5: it over breakfast. And there was just no way I
Speaker 5: could do that. But anyway, those are my stories. I
Speaker 5: hope you guys are having a good holiday, have a
Speaker 5: good Thanksgiving. Yeah, I love your show. Been watching on YouTube.
Speaker 5: I'm a long time conspiracy realist and yeah, just love
Speaker 5: your show. Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: By Yeah, whoa so many stories in there. Guys. First
Speaker 2: of all, look, I don't know if anybody else is
Speaker 2: stuck on this, but I am cappuccino jelly bellies.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a bit of a I'm sure you
Speaker 3: know this, Matt. We talked about it in previous I
Speaker 3: almost have previous administrations in previous episodes and strange news
Speaker 3: and listener mail. Everybody likes to have a little signature
Speaker 3: soft move in politics. And the jelly bellies, the specific
Speaker 3: kinds of jelly bellies are thing that Reagan was known for.
Speaker 2: Well, I just mean cappuccino jelly bellies. Bring me some
Speaker 2: where can I find it? I will buy that they're around.
Speaker 4: Have you ever had the buttered popcorn jelly bellies? That's
Speaker 4: always been a favorite of mine. It literally tastes like
Speaker 4: the movie theater popcorn sludge in a jelly bean form.
Speaker 3: Also for Reagan, the interest, or at least the way
Speaker 3: the public narrative went in the nineteen eighties was that
Speaker 3: Reagan got into jelly beans as a way to get
Speaker 3: himself off the tobacco dragon. So he stopped chasing that
Speaker 3: pipe dragon and started eating those jelly beans. I think
Speaker 3: a lot of it goes back to the Hermann gullitzcandy company.
Speaker 2: Nice. I didn't know any of this. I just didn't
Speaker 2: know there were cappuccino jelly bellies and now I need some.
Speaker 2: But also pizza hut. Come on, send somebody a pizza hut.
Speaker 2: Back in the what in the eighties nine power mow Mo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was an amazing pizza pagnames.
Speaker 3: That was back when they had the classy sit down
Speaker 3: restaurants with the red cups and the stained glass like
Speaker 3: old table type of.
Speaker 4: Chandelier, that mafioso lighting, Personal Pan Personal Pan pizzas PPP's.
Speaker 3: BOOKT also shout out to BOOKT.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pizza party, PPPs at your pizza party.
Speaker 2: But uh, guys, the most important there are really important
Speaker 2: things that are in there. First of all, just the
Speaker 2: personal The personal connection to Ronald Reagan is cool, no
Speaker 2: matter how you feel about any president, having this close
Speaker 2: connection to a president nido, especially as an ADMIN assistant
Speaker 2: and you're like writing reports and then the President's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I got a vested interest in what you're doing right now.
Speaker 3: To cemb sing Yeah, for your work to be appreciated,
Speaker 3: that's massive.
Speaker 2: Super cool. I didn't know much about Balboa Labs.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 2: I looked up a lot of these things also in
Speaker 2: their os Woman mentions SAIC, which is Science Applications International Corporation,
Speaker 2: a big deal, right along the likes of you know, Lockheed,
Speaker 2: Maxwell Labs, all these places that are doing different defense research,
Speaker 2: other stuff that's not so defensive, a little more offensive.
Speaker 2: It's all defense. It's all defense. Star Wars was defense, sure,
Speaker 2: that is something we have to remember Project Blackjack. The
Speaker 2: fact that there was I guess a Fox News segment
Speaker 2: at some point talking about a specific time when missiles
Speaker 2: were headed towards a Navy carrier, but this system was
Speaker 2: used to diffuse them. Very cool. You may not really
Speaker 2: understand or have a work in context of what that means,
Speaker 2: as I did not before coming into this. But let's
Speaker 2: just briefly go over Star Wars, not the franchise that
Speaker 2: was rebooted and will be rebooted again. We're talking about
Speaker 2: a very specific program that well, Ronald Reagan introduced it
Speaker 2: by giving a speech at one point that you can
Speaker 2: go and check out. It's really interesting. It's called quote
Speaker 2: addressed to the Nation on Defense and National Security. It
Speaker 2: was back in March of nineteen eighty three when that happened,
Speaker 2: so just before I was born, at least, and it
Speaker 2: was known as Star Wars.
Speaker 3: People called it star Wars, sometimes derisively.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, well, I would say often like at least
Speaker 2: at the beginning, they're like, oh, this Star Wars thing.
Speaker 2: But it was known as the SDI or Strategic Defense Initiative.
Speaker 2: It is linked to things like Missile Defense Shield that
Speaker 2: the Project for an American Century talked about and kept wanting,
Speaker 2: you know, the United States to invest billions and billions
Speaker 2: of dollars in. But it actually, you may in my head,
Speaker 2: at least back a while ago, I thought of it
Speaker 2: as a system of missiles somehow set up, you know,
Speaker 2: around the country to defend us. But really what this
Speaker 2: was was countermeasures two strategic missiles like ICBMs that could
Speaker 2: be launched by an enemy, and then this system would
Speaker 2: make those missiles inert again, diffuse them, as was noted
Speaker 2: by our amazing collar there os woman, or to blow
Speaker 2: them up, you know, while they're in the atmosphere. Flying
Speaker 2: around towards a target, and the concepts that were put
Speaker 2: forward for technology and advances to technology that could potentially
Speaker 2: make a missile inert were fascinating, amazing stuff that conceptually,
Speaker 2: at least, you're talking about lasers that can fire from
Speaker 2: the ground, extremely high powered. Different types of lasers shoot
Speaker 2: from the ground, hit a satellite that strategically placed somewhere
Speaker 2: up there essentially a mirror that then direct that beam
Speaker 2: onto a missile that's flying super fast through the air,
Speaker 2: or you know, and vice versa. You could have a
Speaker 2: satellite that has the laser hits a mirror of the ground,
Speaker 2: then it gets targeted basically.
Speaker 3: And os woman to your earlier point, I just want
Speaker 3: to take a moment and say your comparison to the
Speaker 3: Iron Dome program is ten ten, and thank you so
Speaker 3: much for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, exactly. So the Iron Dome program, you've
Speaker 2: likely seen a video or two or heard about it
Speaker 2: mostly used right now in Israel. That's where you've seen
Speaker 2: it deployed, where it's a system of essentially extremely rapid
Speaker 2: fire machine guns that are large caliber that can fire
Speaker 2: from the ground. You can hear them. It almost sounds
Speaker 2: like those warthog airplanes, the fighter planes.
Speaker 4: But it does.
Speaker 2: Ye man, that's what you hear, and again, fascinating and
Speaker 2: extremely effective when you've got a a bunch of those
Speaker 2: laid out well. I mean, it seems to be a
Speaker 2: fact at least maybe that's propaganda that I've fallen prey to,
Speaker 2: but from what I've seen, missile barrages will at least
Speaker 2: head towards Israel and then they will get obliterated in
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 3: But for the most part, also at that point, without
Speaker 3: getting too into the weeds, this is not an episode
Speaker 3: on Iron Dome, but we have to keep in mind
Speaker 3: that often Iron Dome is mitigating things like Hassan rockets Qassam,
Speaker 3: which are not the highly guided ICBMs we're talking about
Speaker 3: with the SDI Strategic Defense Initiative.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. If you're if you've ever played Call
Speaker 2: of Duty or something, you may imagine like an RPG rocket,
Speaker 2: like a rocket propelled grenade or something or something that's
Speaker 2: twice that size, right, that's kind of what we're describing here,
Speaker 2: lower tech missiles grenades that are you know, highly explosive
Speaker 2: and extremely dangerous, but are fired you know, usually from
Speaker 2: the ground, traveling across the air not that far, and
Speaker 2: you know they don't trave they don't travel that fast.
Speaker 2: But if you're talking about an ICBM where some of
Speaker 2: these missiles that have like a nuclear payload, which is
Speaker 2: what star Wars and SDI was about, right, those are
Speaker 2: things that are rockets. I mean they're they're full on
Speaker 2: rockets that have nukes inside them.
Speaker 3: They you know, they're like Jeff bezos. They go to
Speaker 3: space a little bit, yeah, just enough to do you like,
Speaker 3: how to walk down the street just to just to
Speaker 3: crap on Jeff a little bit.
Speaker 2: You don't have to walk down the street for that,
Speaker 2: just the skim for a moment and then come yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's super dangerous, and it is to your point, Matt,
Speaker 3: it is a vital thing. To your point, os woman.
Speaker 3: The SDI, yeah, was called star Wars, right, and it
Speaker 3: was often called star Wars by its detractors. But it is,
Speaker 3: if nothing else, and vitibly ambitious and well intentioned idea.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's a very good idea. The point
Speaker 2: that President Reagan makes in that speech is actually kind
Speaker 2: of beautiful. I'll give you a little bit of a quote.
Speaker 2: I'll do this fast, guys, and then we'll move on
Speaker 2: to the next thing.
Speaker 3: Can you do it in a voice?
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I can't even know if I know what Reagan sounded like.
Speaker 2: It's hard to be a hard actor.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 2: He sounds like somebody who's very adamant and connecting with
Speaker 2: his audience. Through the camera, you can see the actor
Speaker 2: and here you feel it and it feels good. So
Speaker 2: I wasn't even born yet, but I can imagine if
Speaker 2: this was the president talking to me, I would feel
Speaker 2: assured and comforted. And I don't know, Well, you are.
Speaker 4: The American people, Matt, I mean, he's he's talking to
Speaker 4: you and all your cohorts.
Speaker 3: Well, he's the gipper. Is win one for him?
Speaker 2: He says things like this, and he said this in
Speaker 2: his speech. Let me share with you a vision of
Speaker 2: the future which offers hope. It is that we embark
Speaker 2: on a program to counter the awesome Soviet missile threat
Speaker 2: with measures that are defensive. What if free people could
Speaker 2: live secure in the knowledge that their security did not
Speaker 2: rest upon the threat of instant US retaliation to deter
Speaker 2: a Soviet attack, that we could intercept and destroy strategic
Speaker 2: ballistic missiles before they reached our own soil, or that
Speaker 2: of our allies. I clearly recognize that defensive systems have
Speaker 2: limitations and raise certain problems and ambiguities. If paired with
Speaker 2: offensive systems, they can be viewed as fostering and aggressive policy,
Speaker 2: and no one wants that. But with these considerations firmly
Speaker 2: in mind, I call upon the scientific community in our country,
Speaker 2: those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their dark
Speaker 2: yes to skunkworks, to turn their great talents now to
Speaker 2: the cause of mankind and world peace, to give us
Speaker 2: the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the speech writer, by the way, who
Speaker 3: was not the Gipper. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: That's not a dang on Brecon. Most presidents in the
Speaker 3: United States post about the nineteen seventies or so have
Speaker 3: not written their speeches. They've had some ideas, and then
Speaker 3: they've got a crew of pros who go in. But
Speaker 3: we have to interrogate the language here a little bit,
Speaker 3: because it's so cold war. Render the missiles impotent, you know?
Speaker 3: The impotent is definitely a linguistic weaponized choice.
Speaker 2: Who's that aimed at?
Speaker 3: Hey, Russia? Sorry your penis doesn't work? Is kind of
Speaker 3: what they're going for, this highly ambitious thing, which again
Speaker 3: was incredibly inevitably profitable for defense corporations, right, the quasi
Speaker 3: private public partnership that has powered the US military since
Speaker 3: early in the World Wars. What we see here, though,
Speaker 3: is something kind of a political Regardless of whether you
Speaker 3: were a big fan of Reagan or a big opponent
Speaker 3: of Reagan, and what that coalition represented domestic lean abroad,
Speaker 3: we can say there is there is quite a lot
Speaker 3: of validity to the argument that we like. The implication
Speaker 3: there in the excerpt from that speech, and I remember
Speaker 3: this speech, mat is, the implication is we don't need
Speaker 3: to send the world's most dangerous military boots on the ground.
Speaker 3: We know other countries, even allies, may have serious problems
Speaker 3: with US incursion. So what if we nip the problem
Speaker 3: in the bud in space in lower orbit and we
Speaker 3: are able to not have our military invade you to
Speaker 3: quote unquote protect you. We are able to protect you
Speaker 3: without any of those other problematic steps. And that is
Speaker 3: a noble idea.
Speaker 2: It is, but it is pretty close to wanting to
Speaker 2: have godlike powers, right.
Speaker 3: The same thing. I wouldn't even say close.
Speaker 2: It's as close as humanity can current could get especially
Speaker 2: at that point, and it was something in the future
Speaker 2: that we could maybe achieve. And now there's stuff up
Speaker 2: there that we don't know about that's happening. Did you
Speaker 2: guys remember hearing a thing back in the late nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties when a lot I was there, well, when a
Speaker 2: lot of the UAP reports were coming out, there were
Speaker 2: stories about UAP disabling warheads, specifically over bases. There were
Speaker 2: a bunch of talking about that, Rihanna, Yeah, there are
Speaker 2: a bunch of them.
Speaker 4: These are stories the idea that they were benevolent in
Speaker 4: trying to disarm us, to keep us from blowing ourselves up.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, and I think this SDI program does just
Speaker 2: speaking of the nobility of it, Ben, that you're talking
Speaker 2: about there, I think there is this concept potentially out
Speaker 2: there that the real good, the good force, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: whatever you know, country is the good force, whatever people's whatever, extraterrestrials,
Speaker 2: the good force is the one that prevents some kind
Speaker 2: of nuclear, all out nuclear war on this planet, right,
Speaker 2: which is really interesting to me. And we've even projected
Speaker 2: those thoughts out to outside force or potential possible possibly
Speaker 2: non existent outside forces. Again in my head. It's just
Speaker 2: connecting that concept of God to this stuff.
Speaker 3: I am become death, destroyer of worlds and who could
Speaker 3: save us from that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: True?
Speaker 3: And people don't people Whether whatever group of project genre
Speaker 3: the humans take, whether that be a religion, a state,
Speaker 3: a family, a tribe, a corporation, usually usually the ideas
Speaker 3: you want to be seen as the benevolent force on
Speaker 3: the earth. There are very throughout the span of human civilization,
Speaker 3: there are very few socioeconomic or socio spiritual groups that
Speaker 3: describe themselves without qualification as the bad guys. There are
Speaker 3: a couple, I'm gonna be honest, there are a couple,
Speaker 3: for sure. I'm glad they're gone.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's like the Evil Empire that it
Speaker 4: was a name bestowed on the Soviet Union by others.
Speaker 4: They didn't come right out and put that in their
Speaker 4: press release.
Speaker 2: Welly' all, there's so much a thing about there. If
Speaker 2: you've got thoughts, make sure you send them to us.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you how to contact us at the end
Speaker 2: of the episode. Thank you so much, Oz Woman in Idaho.
Speaker 2: Hope you're doing well and hope you get to work
Speaker 2: on something at Los Alamos. Someday and you get called back.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be awesome. What if you're part of
Speaker 2: the secret team that makes something just amazing that you
Speaker 2: have to tell us about in like twenty fifty least
Speaker 2: right to us. All right, we'll be right back afterword
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. And Matt, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: match you. May not raise you, but seeing your expert,
Speaker 4: insider opinion and perspective with one about psychology and in
Speaker 4: certain types of advanced therapy, and Matt, you actually brought
Speaker 4: this story that this listener mail pertains to on a
Speaker 4: recent Strange News episode about the practice of ed m R,
Speaker 4: which stands for imovement, desensitization and reprocessing, which is a
Speaker 4: I guess I would say relatively modern psychotherapy technique that
Speaker 4: allows folks to revisit and reprocess traumatic memories. I think
Speaker 4: that came from Valerie, Isn't that right? Matt?
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, e m d R. We had no idea
Speaker 2: what it was, and I think in the episode we
Speaker 2: like went to some website that was sounded officials like
Speaker 2: e MDR dot com.
Speaker 4: That's right, and I've seen it printed as d m R.
Speaker 4: I think it's what I just said a minute ago.
Speaker 4: But the EMDR I believe is most accurate we heard
Speaker 4: from on the subject. A listener who is in the
Speaker 4: psychotherapy field goes by hopeful Sarah, so let's just jump
Speaker 4: right in. I think this is very interesting. I think
Speaker 4: it was me on that segment mat that maybe was
Speaker 4: struggling a little bit with how this type of therapy works,
Speaker 4: and I may have drawn a few faults equivalencies. So
Speaker 4: I copped to that right here, and let's get schooled
Speaker 4: by hopeful Sarah. I'm a mental health therapist and I
Speaker 4: was just listening to your December fifth episode in which
Speaker 4: you talk about EMDR. I've been trained in EMDR, and
Speaker 4: I could tell you were having a hard time seeing
Speaker 4: how this works. EMDR uses bilateral stimulation, stimulating the body
Speaker 4: on one side and then the other to reprocess trauma.
Speaker 4: The most common techniques are the eyes moving from right
Speaker 4: to left a number of times, tones in one ear
Speaker 4: and then the other a number of times, or taps
Speaker 4: on one hand then the other. The theory is that
Speaker 4: bilateral stimulation gets the part of the brain that processes,
Speaker 4: the part that makes sense of events and memories to
Speaker 4: start processing a client and therapist identify a target memory,
Speaker 4: usually something traumatic, and the client thinks of that while
Speaker 4: the therapist starts the bilateral stimulation. Most often it's eye
Speaker 4: movement because it seems to work the best. As the
Speaker 4: client thinks of the traumatic event and the brain starts processing,
Speaker 4: it can actually reprocess the event slash memory and make
Speaker 4: different sense of it. Just like the body tries to
Speaker 4: heal itself when it's injured, the brain also strives towards healing.
Speaker 4: When it can reprocess past stuff, it tends to try
Speaker 4: to make sense of it in a more positive way.
Speaker 4: For example, I've seen abuse victims work through really terrifying
Speaker 4: memories and get to the point that the memories are
Speaker 4: barely uncomfortable and they recognize what happened wasn't their fault.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean they are unlovable, it doesn't mean they're defective,
Speaker 4: slash bad, etc. Sometimes I can almost see the light
Speaker 4: bulb go on. It's pretty cool. It works well with
Speaker 4: PTSD because the brain is both trying to avoid thinking
Speaker 4: about the painful or terrifying trauma, but it also keeps
Speaker 4: going back to it in an attempt to understand what happened.
Speaker 4: I have worked with people who would take longer routes
Speaker 4: to work so they don't have to drive past a
Speaker 4: neighborhood that holds bad memories, but they also have regular
Speaker 4: flashbacks of what happened there. EMDR exposes them to the
Speaker 4: memories enough that they deal with them instead of constantly
Speaker 4: avoiding them. That exposure makes them less reactive to the memory,
Speaker 4: and therapy itself helps them change the meaning of the
Speaker 4: original event. The goal is that memory doesn't feel threatening anymore,
Speaker 4: and if something triggers the memory, they don't feel much
Speaker 4: distress when it comes to mind. Hopefully that helps EMDR
Speaker 4: make a little more sense.
Speaker 3: Yes, it does.
Speaker 4: Feel free to use this in the podcast, as long
Speaker 4: as you correct any grammar mistakes or simplify any too
Speaker 4: complicated run on sentences. Absolutely not, you did great, happy
Speaker 4: researching all the cool stuff you research. Sarah the hopefully
Speaker 4: awesome therapist, Well, I would say definitely awesome therapist. This
Speaker 4: was such a helpful layman's way of breaking this down
Speaker 4: and understanding you know the value of this kind of therapy.
Speaker 4: And also, guys, I couldn't help but think back to
Speaker 4: our recent discussions of the bicameral mind and the idea
Speaker 4: of processing things, you know, on the left side versus
Speaker 4: the right side, and how the two sides kind of
Speaker 4: interact with one another, and it seems like this technique
Speaker 4: really kind of takes advantage of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really wish I knew about this several years back,
Speaker 2: and I will just leave that there, guys, But yeah,
Speaker 2: just this sounds amazing, and you know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, the proof is obviously in the pudding for individuals
Speaker 4: who go through this therapy and you know, find it
Speaker 4: to benefit them. And it sounds like from Sarah's experience
Speaker 4: that she's you know, seen plenty of success stories. So
Speaker 4: I actually, I think what came up when I was
Speaker 4: trying to make sense of this during your segment, Matt,
Speaker 4: was that in a previous therapy situation for me, I
Speaker 4: had a therapist suggest something along this line of work. Rather,
Speaker 4: it wasn't this exactly, but it was a form of reprocessing.
Speaker 4: And I guess, I don't know if you just want
Speaker 4: a very good therapist or what, But when I started
Speaker 4: going down that road, he almost was like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't think what happened to you was traumatic enough to
Speaker 4: qualify for this, So I guess gets good.
Speaker 3: But also I.
Speaker 4: Felt a little dismissed. So I do have a new
Speaker 4: therapist now, who I like a lot, and stuff like this.
Speaker 4: It's not like a magic bullet. You obviously have to
Speaker 4: have a practitioner that can help pull those ideas and
Speaker 4: those thoughts and those memories out of you and then
Speaker 4: help you to reprocess them.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not just like a machine doing the work.
Speaker 4: It is a technique that aids in having the real
Speaker 4: work of a great therapist kind of take hold.
Speaker 2: Isn't it strange? Perplexing even that theoretically just touching your
Speaker 2: hand on one side of your body and then touching
Speaker 2: your other hand could actually cause your brain to function differently.
Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? We've talked about mind hacks a lot
Speaker 2: over the course of gosh ten twelve years, some of
Speaker 2: your brain on what were the ones been, your brain
Speaker 2: on drugs, or your brain on love, your brain on hate,
Speaker 2: your brain on all kinds of different things, and right,
Speaker 2: just the weird stuff that happens as signals travel from
Speaker 2: one sector to another, and as memory is accessed while
Speaker 2: visuals are being accessed. Just weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I appreciate you bringing that up, Matt
Speaker 3: and Sarah, I want to thank you again for taking
Speaker 3: the time to share this with us and more importantly,
Speaker 3: with your fellow listeners. In full disclosure, we have heard
Speaker 3: from other folks in the therapy community, other professionals who
Speaker 3: have their own takes on this type of therapy. In particular,
Speaker 3: I would argue that this shows us again the therapy
Speaker 3: is an ongoing collaborative science, and as I had previously
Speaker 3: said in our earlier segment, you have to find what
Speaker 3: works for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely not a one size fits all thing,
Speaker 4: whether that be medication. I mean, we know that certain
Speaker 4: like antidepressants, they cause people to have even worse symptoms
Speaker 4: of their you know, anxiety or depression, and you have
Speaker 4: to kind of like try different ones and see what
Speaker 4: works for you, and hopefully, with the help of a
Speaker 4: good psychiatrist and a good therapist, you kind of land
Speaker 4: on a combination. But to your point, been the therapy
Speaker 4: itself and the methods, it really is all about that
Speaker 4: interpersonal connection. Like I'm just really grateful and lucky that
Speaker 4: I've in the last six months found somebody that I
Speaker 4: just absolutely relate to who kind of fills a certain
Speaker 4: role of a type of figure in my life. That
Speaker 4: maybe I was missing, and it has made the work
Speaker 4: that we've been doing together like all the more kind
Speaker 4: of relevant and meaningful for me. I can't. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've done therapy for years and I haven't made the
Speaker 4: kinds of strides that I personally have feel like I've
Speaker 4: been making with this person. So, you know, a huge
Speaker 4: shout out to anybody out there, Sarah, yourself included, who
Speaker 4: chooses to take this career path, because it takes a
Speaker 4: lot of kind of mental stamina to be able to
Speaker 4: just be kind of invested but also somewhat disconnected in
Speaker 4: a way from somebody's problems, Like you want to help them,
Speaker 4: you're there for them, but then you also don't want
Speaker 4: to take it home with you. I know I personally
Speaker 4: would really struggle with that, and I know a lot
Speaker 4: of people who would also do that. So it really
Speaker 4: is a valuable service and we really do appreciate you.
Speaker 4: And with that, let's just make this one a little
Speaker 4: bit sure. I think so much of the information was
Speaker 4: just in Sarah's awesome email, And to Ben's point, anybody
Speaker 4: with any other perspectives on this or other types of
Speaker 4: therapy techniques, please do write us at a conspiracy at
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Speaker 3: And we have returned. Good evening, fellow conspiracy realist. They
Speaker 3: called me Ben from earlier. We are going to hear
Speaker 3: from a person we'll call Outlier with just a beautiful
Speaker 3: story that I think all of us will enjoy. Enjoys
Speaker 3: a specific word, and then we'll have a letter from home.
Speaker 3: Outlier writes with the following, Gentlemen, I'm a longtime listener,
Speaker 3: first time writer, and you can call me outlier if
Speaker 3: you read this on air. Haha, spoiler Outlier, we do sometimes.
Speaker 3: The Void writes back. Listening to your strange news segment
Speaker 3: from December second about the poultry industry, you'll call that
Speaker 3: Matt reminded me of something I discovered over the weekend,
Speaker 3: pork skyscrapers. Now let's pause here, guys, have you ever
Speaker 3: heard of pork skyscraper?
Speaker 4: I saw this email come through and I was riveted.
Speaker 4: I know it has to do with mega mega processing
Speaker 4: facilities for pork, and I believe Asia, but that's.
Speaker 5: All I know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a thing.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it.
Speaker 4: But of course, of course the mind immediately goes to
Speaker 4: is it a skyscraper made of pork carcasses or something.
Speaker 3: That's the visual that I get right, or is it
Speaker 3: a British insult you.
Speaker 4: You polk skyscraper, or it could be a compliment for
Speaker 4: someone with very well in doubt.
Speaker 3: Oh Outlier continues and says it was mentioned in paragraph
Speaker 3: fourteen of the article China quest for the Holy Grail
Speaker 3: of Meat. Outlier says, the article is about ways China
Speaker 3: is trying to produce enough protein for the diets of
Speaker 3: its population. While they are apparently exploring meat alternatives, they
Speaker 3: are also upping production of traditional sources, but in ways
Speaker 3: that are counter to everything developed countries are attempting to
Speaker 3: achieve in terms of humane animal treatment. Pork skyscrapers, the
Speaker 3: article says, where pigs are housed, fed and slaughtered on
Speaker 3: an industry real scale. An outlier, you continue, you say so.
Speaker 3: After reading that, I googled and found an article on
Speaker 3: the Guardian from Friday, November twenty fifth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: An excerpt is the following China's get this Guy's twenty
Speaker 3: six story pig skyscraper is ready to slaughter one million
Speaker 3: pigs a year. With alleged photos of the site, Outlier,
Speaker 3: you say, I shouldn't be surprised that the workers are
Speaker 3: also mistreated. The article says the workers at this facility
Speaker 3: don't get to leave the building until their next break,
Speaker 3: reportedly once a week. Outlier, you point out, I don't
Speaker 3: even want to think what it smells like. I love
Speaker 3: your show, Thanks for putting it out there. I look
Speaker 3: forward to each new episode. My kid calls this the
Speaker 3: six finger podcast.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Outlier. I mean, this sounds like the kind
Speaker 4: of stuff that Upton Sinclair wrote about in the Jungle,
Speaker 4: like back, you know what I mean. I don't know
Speaker 4: if the regulations over the just different that allow them
Speaker 4: to do this. I don't think we all should necessarily
Speaker 4: live under any kind of illusions that any sort of
Speaker 4: meat processing is quote unquote perfectly humane. But this just
Speaker 4: sounds like the next level escalation of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a true story. It's it's not
Speaker 3: one the livestock Jedi will tell you. As they say
Speaker 3: in Star Wars or in SDI, this is very much
Speaker 3: a real thing. There is not just one but there
Speaker 3: are multiple pork producing skyscrapers, pig farms, vertical pig farms.
Speaker 3: The one that I believe we're referring to here outlier
Speaker 3: is a twenty six story pig farm operating in the
Speaker 3: Hubei province of China. I don't know why I said that.
Speaker 3: With a Maryland axit moving on for a while. The
Speaker 3: proponents of this back in let's say twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, they said, look, this is an environmentally
Speaker 3: friendlier approach to livestock production. However, as we can tell,
Speaker 3: there were a lot of people who said, what about
Speaker 3: the risk of zodotic disease? What about the quality of
Speaker 3: life for these porcine individuals? Or sign is just the
Speaker 3: fancy way of saying pig. This one when it was
Speaker 3: made in China, it was the largest of its kind
Speaker 3: in the world. It wasn't a million pigs a year outlier.
Speaker 3: It turned out to be a one point two million
Speaker 3: pigs slaughtered per year, and it was entirely to address
Speaker 3: the nation of China's growing demand for pork. Pork is
Speaker 3: by far the most popular meat in the entire country,
Speaker 3: and let's remember that's also one of the most populous
Speaker 3: countries on the planet, and I wouldn't have thought that.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but that's interesting to me for
Speaker 3: some of what would you have thought.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I would have thought. I guess
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't have pork. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: There's no real reason. Yeah, I mean it'd be weird
Speaker 3: of it was something else, if it was like their
Speaker 3: favorite meat is parrot.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe beef, I guess, But now that
Speaker 4: I think about it, I mean pork as they're certainly
Speaker 4: it's it's an ingredient I think of being in plenty
Speaker 4: of you know, Chinese dishes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can see that. We know the government
Speaker 3: has to be involved first off, because it's China and
Speaker 3: Uncle Ji doesn't like stuff happening without us, say so.
Speaker 3: The company behind the farm, which is the Joan Shing
Speaker 3: Cali Modern Farming, they were actually new to the livestock
Speaker 3: sector and new to poresign raising in particular. They previously
Speaker 3: were in the cement industry, and then they shifted when
Speaker 3: the cement industry went bad, when it collapsed. I would
Speaker 3: argue part of that is because China finally got into
Speaker 3: trouble for building those he huge ghost cities to launder money,
Speaker 3: remember that for sure.
Speaker 4: But like with this pork skyscraper and I guess facilities
Speaker 4: like it, these would have been custom built, right, not
Speaker 4: like a repurposed building that was used for other things.
Speaker 3: Right, great question, great question. Yeah, these are custom built.
Speaker 3: Now to your point, they probably already had the infrastructure
Speaker 3: to at least get the concrete, right, they already had
Speaker 3: the toys for that. But we have to remember in
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen there was a swine fever outbreak in the nation,
Speaker 3: and this put a very hungry country into a very
Speaker 3: dangerous food security crisis. They want to have a domestic
Speaker 3: pork production at a not just a continually stable rate,
Speaker 3: but at a continually growing rate. And I'd like to
Speaker 3: take a second and make space for you guys and ask.
Speaker 4: Is this a good idea? Is this solving the right problem?
Speaker 4: Being a problem related to population, Yeah, to the.
Speaker 3: Problem of food security or the problem of food safety.
Speaker 4: Resources as well, just in general, because I mean, is
Speaker 4: China also experiencing a decline in population like Japan or
Speaker 4: is it not the case over there?
Speaker 3: The specter of the one child policy of old is
Speaker 3: coming right. The consequences. The bill is coming due, but
Speaker 3: this is not a switch that gets flipped overnight. And
Speaker 3: to be totally honest, the more you dig into the
Speaker 3: story of these pigs skyscrapers, the more you see that
Speaker 3: it's not a perfect solution. Stuff sucks for the pigs.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, pigs are about as intelligent as
Speaker 3: what you would say a three or four year old
Speaker 3: human being. Yeah, they're smart enough to know when their
Speaker 3: life sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sad that it is the protein that's
Speaker 2: getting the vertical farm treatment.
Speaker 3: I really thin vegetables right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the grains and the vegetable and some of
Speaker 2: those things, because I again we talked about this pretty
Speaker 2: recently on the show, but that was the dream maybe
Speaker 2: that I bought into ten years ago or something.
Speaker 3: Vertical farming, Yeah, just as.
Speaker 2: A potential answer to these problems, because again, it just
Speaker 2: felt like, oh, well, we could build those humans are
Speaker 2: pretty great at building skyscrapers. We could make this happen.
Speaker 2: But the thought of cramming all of those pigs in
Speaker 2: like that and as you said, been giving them a
Speaker 2: terrible life. It does solve that problem at least somewhat
Speaker 2: of food insecurity especially if you made a dozen of them,
Speaker 2: twenty of them.
Speaker 3: We know that there are a handful. But also do
Speaker 3: we if we are to assume the perspective of the PRC,
Speaker 3: if we were to exercise empathy, then we also have
Speaker 3: to ask, quite realistically, in the mission to solve one
Speaker 3: or two immediate problems, are we not potentially creating new problems?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's like the cobra and the mongoose or whatever problem, right,
Speaker 4: And maybe it wasn't the mongoose, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about, man, Yeah, but I do wonder why they
Speaker 4: went with protein to your point, Matt, and not like grain.
Speaker 3: I mean, rice is.
Speaker 4: Also incredibly popular over there and consumed and also takes
Speaker 4: checks off a lot of nutritional boxes. So why the pig?
Speaker 4: Why the pork? But yeah, I just wonder why not tofu?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And I'm not even doing this from the perspective of
Speaker 4: like an anti meat person. I mean, I eat plenty
Speaker 4: of meat, and it's something I certainly want to think
Speaker 4: about a little more intentionally. But to have it be
Speaker 4: pork and have it be these horrific conditions just seems unnecessary.
Speaker 3: Well then, also, like another statement from some people living
Speaker 3: in China. Wow, that pig has a better life than me, right, Like,
Speaker 3: what about saving the people who are unhoused, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. These are dilemmas to wrestle with.
Speaker 2: Well, and it it's kind of messed up, guys. It's
Speaker 2: not even really the pork processor company's fault that they
Speaker 2: have to make this pork, because the pork's the thing
Speaker 2: that's in the demand. The pork's the thing that's going
Speaker 2: to make them profit. The pork is the thing that
Speaker 2: everybody wants.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: If tofu was in demand in the same way that
Speaker 2: pork was, then it would be a Tofu skyscraper.
Speaker 3: Sure, right, Right. We also have to remember, and I
Speaker 3: appreciate that point, We also have to remember that there
Speaker 3: has been an acceleration in the rise of quality of
Speaker 3: life in this country. A lot of people have now
Speaker 3: these attainable aspirational goals. Right. I want to eat well.
Speaker 3: I want my kids to have a better life. Right,
Speaker 3: and if that means the fancy meal is the like
Speaker 3: better than the you know, the grains I had to eat,
Speaker 3: then so be it. You know, forget larger problems here.
Speaker 3: I have a problem Thursday. I got to solve for that,
Speaker 3: we get it, and we also want to recommend again
Speaker 3: you mentioned this outlier. The Guardian articles on this are
Speaker 3: pretty great. South China Morning Post also has some good stuff.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind they are state run media. I hope
Speaker 3: everybody gets a chance to check out some of these
Speaker 3: stories because they also go into the vast surveillance applied
Speaker 3: to this. Because remember whether or not regardless of the
Speaker 3: life forms living in a skyscraper, it's still a skyscraper.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of pigs in there, there are
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and it is very much a factory.
Speaker 3: So the level of monitoring applied to the things. Just
Speaker 3: to respond to our friends in China who had apartment envy,
Speaker 3: I don't think you want to be surveilled on this level. Hmm. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean also also there are people worried about whether
Speaker 3: or not this will again create a new problem. Could
Speaker 3: this be a vector or a a breeding ground for
Speaker 3: dangerous pseudotic infections? As Dirk Feiffer, the chair Professor at
Speaker 3: City University or One Health at City University of Hong
Speaker 3: Kong said, quote, the higher density of animals, the higher
Speaker 3: risk of infectious pathogen spread and amplification, as well as
Speaker 3: the potential for mutation. What do you guys think, is
Speaker 3: that a little too doom and gloom or is there
Speaker 3: validity to that concern. I think there's validity.
Speaker 4: I also maybe take this opportunity to to talk about
Speaker 4: how when we were discussing with Jenner first, you know,
Speaker 4: the idea of other possible alternatives for the COVID nineteen outbreak.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not to say that these mutations couldn't
Speaker 4: take place in a situation like a wet market or
Speaker 4: something like this type of factory farming. I just personally
Speaker 4: found some of the arguments that were made in that
Speaker 4: documentary to be pretty compelling and interesting. Not to mention
Speaker 4: that we recently saw a story about another lab leak
Speaker 4: of some really virulent pathogens here in the United States.
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to take the opportunity to say, absolutely,
Speaker 4: these things can happen, and it can happen as a
Speaker 4: result of poor monitoring and regulation of these.
Speaker 3: Types of facilities. And I'd like to, in that spirit,
Speaker 3: take the opportunity to think all of you are fellow
Speaker 3: conspiracy realists who responded to us as a group or
Speaker 3: as individuals with your thoughts on our interview with Jenner
Speaker 3: first again in the documentary is thank you Doctor Foul.
Speaker 3: Please do check it out. Likewise, I was, I was
Speaker 3: fascinated by this. We'd love to hear your thoughts. And
Speaker 3: speaking of hearing your thoughts, as we close every listener
Speaker 3: mail segment here, we like to have a letter from home.
Speaker 3: We talked about it a little bit. I think have
Speaker 3: just enough time to share a letter that really, I
Speaker 3: don't know inspired all of us, I would say. From
Speaker 3: a guy named Wes working with Peta. Wes says, Hi, Ben, Matt,
Speaker 3: and Noel. We caught last Thursday's listener mail segment and
Speaker 3: wanted to thank you for sharing anonymous owls, many wonderful
Speaker 3: tips for helping wildlife, and for pointing listeners to our
Speaker 3: web page with state by state resources. We also have
Speaker 3: a page with detailed steps for rescuing wild animals in
Speaker 3: need that you're welcome to share. We were also delighted
Speaker 3: to hear you point out how bizarre it is that
Speaker 3: humans kill some animals, including cows, but love and protect others,
Speaker 3: whether they're the companions we share our homes with or
Speaker 3: the wildlife we encounter outside. Thank you, Wes. That's always
Speaker 3: really bugged me and I think bugged all of us
Speaker 3: after all, Wes continues, cows feel love, joy, pain, and
Speaker 3: fear exactly as cats and dogs do, and i'd add pigs.
Speaker 3: This is an example of speciism, the misguided belief that
Speaker 3: some species are inherently superior to or more worthy of
Speaker 3: consideration than others. And then PETA sends us a helpful
Speaker 3: link to learn more about speciism, says thank you again,
Speaker 3: and if there's ever any way we can serve as
Speaker 3: a resource for you about this or any other animal topic,
Speaker 3: please don't hesitate to contact us. Kind regards West Burdett,
Speaker 3: the press officer of PETA. I can't believe you wrote
Speaker 3: to us, Wes.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 4: That's the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, right, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: and just yeah. We certainly there's certainly been campaigns spearheaded
Speaker 4: by PETA that maybe have perhaps been a little bit inflammatory,
Speaker 4: and some people might have issue with some of the
Speaker 4: lines that they take on things, or maybe some of
Speaker 4: the extreme perspectives. But I think every bit of information
Speaker 4: that Wes wrote to us is absolutely accurate and appropriate,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was really really thoughtful, and I
Speaker 4: really appreciate the resources.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to find those, you can search
Speaker 2: PETA and then locating a wildlife rehabilitator or the other
Speaker 2: resource that was sent. You could search for PEDA wildlife emergencies,
Speaker 2: how to help and when not to interfere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you for that, Matt, Thank you for that, Wes.
Speaker 3: I also wanted to note, yes, obviously we are aware
Speaker 3: PETA as an organization. It's been around for a while.
Speaker 3: It has encountered its share of controversy over the years,
Speaker 3: and this happens with any organization of that size. Yet
Speaker 3: I hold firm I will stand on this hill omnivores
Speaker 3: dilemma aside. Shout out to the author, Michael Poland. The
Speaker 3: idea of speciism is very real and it is impacting
Speaker 3: a world that is still wrestling with the dwindling biodiversity
Speaker 3: on the planet right now. It is quite possible if
Speaker 3: things keep going the way they are, that when you
Speaker 3: have grandchildren, if you're human, you will sound like a
Speaker 3: crazy guy when you say, oh, there used to be
Speaker 3: animals in the wild. You could just be in the
Speaker 3: woods and he just run into something and they'll say, ah,
Speaker 3: you're crazy man. Next thing you're going to say you
Speaker 3: had to use your hands to access the Internet.
Speaker 2: Makes me think of Aloy and the robot animals of
Speaker 2: the Horizon series.
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