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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Andrew Treforce Howard. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. If you are hearing our listener

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Speaker 3: mail the evening it comes out, please allow us to

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Speaker 3: be the first to welcome you to December nineteenth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four. Now full disclosure, we're recording this on December eleventh. However,

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Speaker 3: we have so many stories to get to. One of

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Speaker 3: the best parts of our weekly listener mail endeavor is

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Speaker 3: that we get to hear from the most important part

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Speaker 3: of the show, which is you, specifically you. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about Wes Outlier, We're talking about some folks from oz

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Speaker 3: We're talking about a hopefully awesome therapist. Before we do

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Speaker 3: any of this, guys, this is one of our last

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Speaker 3: listener mail programs before the end of what humans call

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four so hoping we could just get a

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Speaker 3: quick vibe check. How are you guys feeling about twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four overall? How'd we do? That's fine. I think

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Speaker 4: I'm proud of the work we've done in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Are there?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's been ups and downs, you know, in

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Speaker 2: Know, guys, I mentioned to you to have a friend

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Speaker 2: who has been experiencing some UAP stuff. Yes, list I

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Speaker 2: got a call from him very recently, and you know,

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Speaker 2: take this with however many grains of salt you wish.

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Speaker 3: To I'll say three, one for each of us.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I don't necessarily believe this. He doesn't necessarily believe this,

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Speaker 2: But I'm also super excited that we might actually get

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Speaker 2: our independence stay moment, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, ah, yes, yes, not just July fourth for the US,

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Speaker 3: but a sort of July fourth for the world. Matt,

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Speaker 3: this is it's so funny that you say this, and

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Speaker 3: indeed bring, we are collectively so grateful that you have

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Speaker 3: joined our strange, continuing mission to find all the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: we're the type of guys who like to walk the

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Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsors, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 3: hear directly from you.

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Speaker 2: And we are back, and let us begin with a

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Speaker 2: message from an amazing person named oz Woman or going

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Speaker 2: by oz Woman. We heard from oz Woman a while

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Speaker 3: Oh and OZ Woman, it's great to hear from you again.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated the PlayStation comments too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Always something interesting to say and

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Speaker 2: a very interesting person. So this is a mashup. There's

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Speaker 5: This is oz Woman in Idaho. I joined Project Blackjack

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Speaker 5: five and yes you can use this Blackjack five In

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Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety six, we were doing an

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Speaker 5: That's right. I was in Star Wars from nineteen eighty

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Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan liked reading my reports because I wrote them

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Speaker 2: By Yeah, whoa so many stories in there. Guys. First

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Speaker 3: soft move in politics. And the jelly bellies, the specific

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Speaker 2: Well, I just mean cappuccino jelly bellies. Bring me some

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Speaker 4: Have you ever had the buttered popcorn jelly bellies? That's

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Speaker 4: always been a favorite of mine. It literally tastes like

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Speaker 3: Also for Reagan, the interest, or at least the way

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Speaker 2: Nice. I didn't know any of this. I just didn't

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Speaker 2: But also pizza hut. Come on, send somebody a pizza hut.

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Speaker 4: Chandelier, that mafioso lighting, Personal Pan Personal Pan pizzas PPP's.

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Speaker 2: But uh, guys, the most important there are really important

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Speaker 2: Super cool. I didn't know much about Balboa Labs.

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Speaker 2: But it was known as the SDI or Strategic Defense Initiative.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. If you're if you've ever played Call

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's a very good idea. The point

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Speaker 4: The American people, Matt, I mean, he's he's talking to

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Speaker 3: Well, he's the gipper. Is win one for him?

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the speech writer, by the way, who

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Speaker 2: It is, but it is pretty close to wanting to

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Speaker 3: The same thing. I wouldn't even say close.

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Speaker 2: It's as close as humanity can current could get especially

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Speaker 4: These are stories the idea that they were benevolent in

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: And people don't people Whether whatever group of project genre

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's like the Evil Empire that it

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Speaker 2: Welly' all, there's so much a thing about there. If

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Speaker 2: of the episode. Thank you so much, Oz Woman in Idaho.

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Speaker 4: And we have returned. And Matt, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: certain types of advanced therapy, and Matt, you actually brought

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Speaker 4: recent Strange News episode about the practice of ed m R,

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Speaker 4: which stands for imovement, desensitization and reprocessing, which is a

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, e m d R. We had no idea

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Speaker 4: I think it's what I just said a minute ago.

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Speaker 4: But the EMDR I believe is most accurate we heard

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Speaker 4: I copped to that right here, and let's get schooled

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Speaker 4: by hopeful Sarah. I'm a mental health therapist and I

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Speaker 4: how this works. EMDR uses bilateral stimulation, stimulating the body

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Speaker 4: the therapist starts the bilateral stimulation. Most often it's eye

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Speaker 4: movement because it seems to work the best. As the

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Speaker 4: client thinks of the traumatic event and the brain starts processing,

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Speaker 4: it can actually reprocess the event slash memory and make

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Speaker 4: different sense of it. Just like the body tries to

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Speaker 4: heal itself when it's injured, the brain also strives towards healing.

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Speaker 4: When it can reprocess past stuff, it tends to try

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Speaker 4: to make sense of it in a more positive way.

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Speaker 4: For example, I've seen abuse victims work through really terrifying

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Speaker 4: memories and get to the point that the memories are

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Speaker 4: barely uncomfortable and they recognize what happened wasn't their fault.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean they are unlovable, it doesn't mean they're defective,

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Speaker 4: slash bad, etc. Sometimes I can almost see the light

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Speaker 4: bulb go on. It's pretty cool. It works well with

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Speaker 4: PTSD because the brain is both trying to avoid thinking

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Speaker 4: about the painful or terrifying trauma, but it also keeps

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Speaker 4: going back to it in an attempt to understand what happened.

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Speaker 4: I have worked with people who would take longer routes

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Speaker 4: to work so they don't have to drive past a

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Speaker 4: neighborhood that holds bad memories, but they also have regular

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Speaker 4: flashbacks of what happened there. EMDR exposes them to the

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Speaker 4: memories enough that they deal with them instead of constantly

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Speaker 4: avoiding them. That exposure makes them less reactive to the memory,

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Speaker 4: and therapy itself helps them change the meaning of the

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Speaker 4: original event. The goal is that memory doesn't feel threatening anymore,

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Speaker 4: and if something triggers the memory, they don't feel much

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Speaker 4: distress when it comes to mind. Hopefully that helps EMDR

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Speaker 4: make a little more sense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does.

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Speaker 4: Feel free to use this in the podcast, as long

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Speaker 4: as you correct any grammar mistakes or simplify any too

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Speaker 4: complicated run on sentences. Absolutely not, you did great, happy

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Speaker 4: researching all the cool stuff you research. Sarah the hopefully

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Speaker 4: awesome therapist, Well, I would say definitely awesome therapist. This

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Speaker 4: was such a helpful layman's way of breaking this down

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Speaker 4: and understanding you know the value of this kind of therapy.

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Speaker 4: And also, guys, I couldn't help but think back to

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Speaker 4: our recent discussions of the bicameral mind and the idea

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Speaker 4: of processing things, you know, on the left side versus

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Speaker 4: the right side, and how the two sides kind of

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Speaker 4: interact with one another, and it seems like this technique

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Speaker 4: really kind of takes advantage of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really wish I knew about this several years back,

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Speaker 2: and I will just leave that there, guys, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: just this sounds amazing, and you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, the proof is obviously in the pudding for individuals

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Speaker 4: who go through this therapy and you know, find it

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Speaker 4: to benefit them. And it sounds like from Sarah's experience

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Speaker 4: that she's you know, seen plenty of success stories. So

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Speaker 4: I actually, I think what came up when I was

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Speaker 4: trying to make sense of this during your segment, Matt,

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Speaker 4: was that in a previous therapy situation for me, I

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Speaker 4: had a therapist suggest something along this line of work. Rather,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't this exactly, but it was a form of reprocessing.

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Speaker 4: And I guess, I don't know if you just want

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Speaker 4: a very good therapist or what, But when I started

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Speaker 4: going down that road, he almost was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't think what happened to you was traumatic enough to

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Speaker 4: qualify for this, So I guess gets good.

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Speaker 3: But also I.

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Speaker 4: Felt a little dismissed. So I do have a new

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Speaker 4: therapist now, who I like a lot, and stuff like this.

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Speaker 4: It's not like a magic bullet. You obviously have to

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Speaker 4: have a practitioner that can help pull those ideas and

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Speaker 4: those thoughts and those memories out of you and then

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Speaker 4: help you to reprocess them.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not just like a machine doing the work.

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Speaker 4: It is a technique that aids in having the real

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Speaker 4: work of a great therapist kind of take hold.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it strange? Perplexing even that theoretically just touching your

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Speaker 2: hand on one side of your body and then touching

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Speaker 2: your other hand could actually cause your brain to function differently.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? We've talked about mind hacks a lot

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Speaker 2: over the course of gosh ten twelve years, some of

509
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: your brain on what were the ones been, your brain

510
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Speaker 2: on drugs, or your brain on love, your brain on hate,

511
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Speaker 2: your brain on all kinds of different things, and right,

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Speaker 2: just the weird stuff that happens as signals travel from

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Speaker 2: one sector to another, and as memory is accessed while

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Speaker 2: visuals are being accessed. Just weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I appreciate you bringing that up, Matt

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Speaker 3: and Sarah, I want to thank you again for taking

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Speaker 3: the time to share this with us and more importantly,

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Speaker 3: with your fellow listeners. In full disclosure, we have heard

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Speaker 3: from other folks in the therapy community, other professionals who

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Speaker 3: have their own takes on this type of therapy. In particular,

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Speaker 3: I would argue that this shows us again the therapy

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Speaker 3: is an ongoing collaborative science, and as I had previously

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Speaker 3: said in our earlier segment, you have to find what

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Speaker 3: works for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely not a one size fits all thing,

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Speaker 4: whether that be medication. I mean, we know that certain

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Speaker 4: like antidepressants, they cause people to have even worse symptoms

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Speaker 4: of their you know, anxiety or depression, and you have

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Speaker 4: to kind of like try different ones and see what

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Speaker 4: works for you, and hopefully, with the help of a

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Speaker 4: good psychiatrist and a good therapist, you kind of land

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Speaker 4: on a combination. But to your point, been the therapy

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Speaker 4: itself and the methods, it really is all about that

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Speaker 4: interpersonal connection. Like I'm just really grateful and lucky that

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Speaker 4: I've in the last six months found somebody that I

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Speaker 4: just absolutely relate to who kind of fills a certain

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Speaker 4: role of a type of figure in my life. That

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Speaker 4: maybe I was missing, and it has made the work

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Speaker 4: that we've been doing together like all the more kind

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Speaker 4: of relevant and meaningful for me. I can't. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I've done therapy for years and I haven't made the

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Speaker 4: kinds of strides that I personally have feel like I've

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Speaker 4: been making with this person. So, you know, a huge

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Speaker 4: shout out to anybody out there, Sarah, yourself included, who

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Speaker 4: chooses to take this career path, because it takes a

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Speaker 4: lot of kind of mental stamina to be able to

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Speaker 4: just be kind of invested but also somewhat disconnected in

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 4: a way from somebody's problems, Like you want to help them,

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00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: you're there for them, but then you also don't want

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Speaker 4: to take it home with you. I know I personally

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Speaker 4: would really struggle with that, and I know a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who would also do that. So it really

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Speaker 4: is a valuable service and we really do appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: And with that, let's just make this one a little

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Speaker 4: bit sure. I think so much of the information was

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Speaker 4: just in Sarah's awesome email, And to Ben's point, anybody

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Speaker 4: with any other perspectives on this or other types of

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Speaker 4: therapy techniques, please do write us at a conspiracy at

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Speaker 3: And we have returned. Good evening, fellow conspiracy realist. They

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Speaker 3: called me Ben from earlier. We are going to hear

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Speaker 3: from a person we'll call Outlier with just a beautiful

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Speaker 3: story that I think all of us will enjoy. Enjoys

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Speaker 3: a specific word, and then we'll have a letter from home.

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Speaker 3: Outlier writes with the following, Gentlemen, I'm a longtime listener,

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Speaker 3: first time writer, and you can call me outlier if

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Speaker 3: you read this on air. Haha, spoiler Outlier, we do sometimes.

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Speaker 3: The Void writes back. Listening to your strange news segment

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Speaker 3: from December second about the poultry industry, you'll call that

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Speaker 3: Matt reminded me of something I discovered over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: pork skyscrapers. Now let's pause here, guys, have you ever

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Speaker 3: heard of pork skyscraper?

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Speaker 4: I saw this email come through and I was riveted.

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Speaker 4: I know it has to do with mega mega processing

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Speaker 4: facilities for pork, and I believe Asia, but that's.

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Speaker 5: All I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and say that's not a thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 4: But of course, of course the mind immediately goes to

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Speaker 4: is it a skyscraper made of pork carcasses or something.

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Speaker 3: That's the visual that I get right, or is it

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Speaker 3: a British insult you.

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Speaker 4: You polk skyscraper, or it could be a compliment for

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Speaker 4: someone with very well in doubt.

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Speaker 3: Oh Outlier continues and says it was mentioned in paragraph

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Speaker 3: fourteen of the article China quest for the Holy Grail

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Speaker 3: of Meat. Outlier says, the article is about ways China

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Speaker 3: is trying to produce enough protein for the diets of

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Speaker 3: its population. While they are apparently exploring meat alternatives, they

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Speaker 3: are also upping production of traditional sources, but in ways

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Speaker 3: that are counter to everything developed countries are attempting to

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Speaker 3: achieve in terms of humane animal treatment. Pork skyscrapers, the

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Speaker 3: article says, where pigs are housed, fed and slaughtered on

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Speaker 3: an industry real scale. An outlier, you continue, you say so.

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Speaker 3: After reading that, I googled and found an article on

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Speaker 3: the Guardian from Friday, November twenty fifth, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: An excerpt is the following China's get this Guy's twenty

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Speaker 3: six story pig skyscraper is ready to slaughter one million

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Speaker 3: pigs a year. With alleged photos of the site, Outlier,

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Speaker 3: you say, I shouldn't be surprised that the workers are

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Speaker 3: also mistreated. The article says the workers at this facility

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Speaker 3: don't get to leave the building until their next break,

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Speaker 3: reportedly once a week. Outlier, you point out, I don't

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Speaker 3: even want to think what it smells like. I love

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Speaker 3: your show, Thanks for putting it out there. I look

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Speaker 3: forward to each new episode. My kid calls this the

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Speaker 3: six finger podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Outlier. I mean, this sounds like the kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff that Upton Sinclair wrote about in the Jungle,

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Speaker 4: like back, you know what I mean. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if the regulations over the just different that allow them

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Speaker 4: to do this. I don't think we all should necessarily

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Speaker 4: live under any kind of illusions that any sort of

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Speaker 4: meat processing is quote unquote perfectly humane. But this just

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Speaker 4: sounds like the next level escalation of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a true story. It's it's not

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Speaker 3: one the livestock Jedi will tell you. As they say

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Speaker 3: in Star Wars or in SDI, this is very much

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Speaker 3: a real thing. There is not just one but there

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Speaker 3: are multiple pork producing skyscrapers, pig farms, vertical pig farms.

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Speaker 3: The one that I believe we're referring to here outlier

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Speaker 3: is a twenty six story pig farm operating in the

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Speaker 3: Hubei province of China. I don't know why I said that.

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Speaker 3: With a Maryland axit moving on for a while. The

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Speaker 3: proponents of this back in let's say twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, they said, look, this is an environmentally

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Speaker 3: friendlier approach to livestock production. However, as we can tell,

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of people who said, what about

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Speaker 3: the risk of zodotic disease? What about the quality of

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Speaker 3: life for these porcine individuals? Or sign is just the

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Speaker 3: fancy way of saying pig. This one when it was

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Speaker 3: made in China, it was the largest of its kind

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Speaker 3: in the world. It wasn't a million pigs a year outlier.

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Speaker 3: It turned out to be a one point two million

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Speaker 3: pigs slaughtered per year, and it was entirely to address

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Speaker 3: the nation of China's growing demand for pork. Pork is

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Speaker 3: by far the most popular meat in the entire country,

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Speaker 3: and let's remember that's also one of the most populous

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Speaker 3: countries on the planet, and I wouldn't have thought that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but that's interesting to me for

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Speaker 3: some of what would you have thought.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I would have thought. I guess

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Speaker 4: I just wouldn't have pork. I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: There's no real reason. Yeah, I mean it'd be weird

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Speaker 3: of it was something else, if it was like their

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Speaker 3: favorite meat is parrot.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe beef, I guess, But now that

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Speaker 4: I think about it, I mean pork as they're certainly

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Speaker 4: it's it's an ingredient I think of being in plenty

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Speaker 4: of you know, Chinese dishes.

653
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I can see that. We know the government

654
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: has to be involved first off, because it's China and

655
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: Uncle Ji doesn't like stuff happening without us, say so.

656
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Speaker 3: The company behind the farm, which is the Joan Shing

657
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Speaker 3: Cali Modern Farming, they were actually new to the livestock

658
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Speaker 3: sector and new to poresign raising in particular. They previously

659
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Speaker 3: were in the cement industry, and then they shifted when

660
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Speaker 3: the cement industry went bad, when it collapsed. I would

661
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Speaker 3: argue part of that is because China finally got into

662
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: trouble for building those he huge ghost cities to launder money,

663
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: remember that for sure.

664
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Speaker 4: But like with this pork skyscraper and I guess facilities

665
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: like it, these would have been custom built, right, not

666
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Speaker 4: like a repurposed building that was used for other things.

667
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Speaker 3: Right, great question, great question. Yeah, these are custom built.

668
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: Now to your point, they probably already had the infrastructure

669
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Speaker 3: to at least get the concrete, right, they already had

670
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Speaker 3: the toys for that. But we have to remember in

671
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen there was a swine fever outbreak in the nation,

672
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Speaker 3: and this put a very hungry country into a very

673
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Speaker 3: dangerous food security crisis. They want to have a domestic

674
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Speaker 3: pork production at a not just a continually stable rate,

675
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Speaker 3: but at a continually growing rate. And I'd like to

676
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Speaker 3: take a second and make space for you guys and ask.

677
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Speaker 4: Is this a good idea? Is this solving the right problem?

678
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Speaker 4: Being a problem related to population, Yeah, to the.

679
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Speaker 3: Problem of food security or the problem of food safety.

680
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Speaker 4: Resources as well, just in general, because I mean, is

681
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Speaker 4: China also experiencing a decline in population like Japan or

682
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Speaker 4: is it not the case over there?

683
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Speaker 3: The specter of the one child policy of old is

684
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Speaker 3: coming right. The consequences. The bill is coming due, but

685
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Speaker 3: this is not a switch that gets flipped overnight. And

686
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Speaker 3: to be totally honest, the more you dig into the

687
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Speaker 3: story of these pigs skyscrapers, the more you see that

688
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: it's not a perfect solution. Stuff sucks for the pigs.

689
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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, pigs are about as intelligent as

690
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Speaker 3: what you would say a three or four year old

691
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Speaker 3: human being. Yeah, they're smart enough to know when their

692
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: life sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sad that it is the protein that's

694
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Speaker 2: getting the vertical farm treatment.

695
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: I really thin vegetables right.

696
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the grains and the vegetable and some of

697
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: those things, because I again we talked about this pretty

698
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Speaker 2: recently on the show, but that was the dream maybe

699
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: that I bought into ten years ago or something.

700
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Speaker 3: Vertical farming, Yeah, just as.

701
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Speaker 2: A potential answer to these problems, because again, it just

702
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: felt like, oh, well, we could build those humans are

703
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: pretty great at building skyscrapers. We could make this happen.

704
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Speaker 2: But the thought of cramming all of those pigs in

705
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: like that and as you said, been giving them a

706
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Speaker 2: terrible life. It does solve that problem at least somewhat

707
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Speaker 2: of food insecurity especially if you made a dozen of them,

708
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Speaker 2: twenty of them.

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Speaker 3: We know that there are a handful. But also do

710
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Speaker 3: we if we are to assume the perspective of the PRC,

711
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: if we were to exercise empathy, then we also have

712
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Speaker 3: to ask, quite realistically, in the mission to solve one

713
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: or two immediate problems, are we not potentially creating new problems?

714
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's like the cobra and the mongoose or whatever problem, right,

715
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Speaker 4: And maybe it wasn't the mongoose, you know what I'm

716
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: talking about, man, Yeah, but I do wonder why they

717
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: went with protein to your point, Matt, and not like grain.

718
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: I mean, rice is.

719
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Speaker 4: Also incredibly popular over there and consumed and also takes

720
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: checks off a lot of nutritional boxes. So why the pig?

721
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 4: Why the pork? But yeah, I just wonder why not tofu?

722
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Speaker 3: You know?

723
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Speaker 4: And I'm not even doing this from the perspective of

724
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Speaker 4: like an anti meat person. I mean, I eat plenty

725
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: of meat, and it's something I certainly want to think

726
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: about a little more intentionally. But to have it be

727
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: pork and have it be these horrific conditions just seems unnecessary.

728
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 3: Well then, also, like another statement from some people living

729
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: in China. Wow, that pig has a better life than me, right, Like,

730
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: what about saving the people who are unhoused, et cetera,

731
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Speaker 3: et cetera. These are dilemmas to wrestle with.

732
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Speaker 2: Well, and it it's kind of messed up, guys. It's

733
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Speaker 2: not even really the pork processor company's fault that they

734
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Speaker 2: have to make this pork, because the pork's the thing

735
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: that's in the demand. The pork's the thing that's going

736
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: to make them profit. The pork is the thing that

737
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Speaker 2: everybody wants.

738
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Speaker 3: Right.

739
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Speaker 2: If tofu was in demand in the same way that

740
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Speaker 2: pork was, then it would be a Tofu skyscraper.

741
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Speaker 3: Sure, right, Right. We also have to remember, and I

742
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: appreciate that point, We also have to remember that there

743
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: has been an acceleration in the rise of quality of

744
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: life in this country. A lot of people have now

745
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: these attainable aspirational goals. Right. I want to eat well.

746
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: I want my kids to have a better life. Right,

747
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: and if that means the fancy meal is the like

748
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 3: better than the you know, the grains I had to eat,

749
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: then so be it. You know, forget larger problems here.

750
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: I have a problem Thursday. I got to solve for that,

751
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: we get it, and we also want to recommend again

752
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: you mentioned this outlier. The Guardian articles on this are

753
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: pretty great. South China Morning Post also has some good stuff.

754
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: Keep in mind they are state run media. I hope

755
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: everybody gets a chance to check out some of these

756
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: stories because they also go into the vast surveillance applied

757
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: to this. Because remember whether or not regardless of the

758
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 3: life forms living in a skyscraper, it's still a skyscraper.

759
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: There are a lot of pigs in there, there are

760
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and it is very much a factory.

761
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: So the level of monitoring applied to the things. Just

762
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: to respond to our friends in China who had apartment envy,

763
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't think you want to be surveilled on this level. Hmm. Interesting.

764
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Speaker 3: I mean also also there are people worried about whether

765
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: or not this will again create a new problem. Could

766
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Speaker 3: this be a vector or a a breeding ground for

767
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: dangerous pseudotic infections? As Dirk Feiffer, the chair Professor at

768
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 3: City University or One Health at City University of Hong

769
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Speaker 3: Kong said, quote, the higher density of animals, the higher

770
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Speaker 3: risk of infectious pathogen spread and amplification, as well as

771
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Speaker 3: the potential for mutation. What do you guys think, is

772
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: that a little too doom and gloom or is there

773
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: validity to that concern. I think there's validity.

774
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: I also maybe take this opportunity to to talk about

775
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: how when we were discussing with Jenner first, you know,

776
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: the idea of other possible alternatives for the COVID nineteen outbreak.

777
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's not to say that these mutations couldn't

778
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: take place in a situation like a wet market or

779
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: something like this type of factory farming. I just personally

780
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: found some of the arguments that were made in that

781
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: documentary to be pretty compelling and interesting. Not to mention

782
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 4: that we recently saw a story about another lab leak

783
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: of some really virulent pathogens here in the United States.

784
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Speaker 4: So I just wanted to take the opportunity to say, absolutely,

785
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: these things can happen, and it can happen as a

786
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Speaker 4: result of poor monitoring and regulation of these.

787
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Speaker 3: Types of facilities. And I'd like to, in that spirit,

788
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: take the opportunity to think all of you are fellow

789
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: conspiracy realists who responded to us as a group or

790
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: as individuals with your thoughts on our interview with Jenner

791
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 3: first again in the documentary is thank you Doctor Foul.

792
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: Please do check it out. Likewise, I was, I was

793
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: fascinated by this. We'd love to hear your thoughts. And

794
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: speaking of hearing your thoughts, as we close every listener

795
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 3: mail segment here, we like to have a letter from home.

796
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Speaker 3: We talked about it a little bit. I think have

797
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: just enough time to share a letter that really, I

798
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: don't know inspired all of us, I would say. From

799
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: a guy named Wes working with Peta. Wes says, Hi, Ben, Matt,

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Speaker 3: and Noel. We caught last Thursday's listener mail segment and

801
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: wanted to thank you for sharing anonymous owls, many wonderful

802
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: tips for helping wildlife, and for pointing listeners to our

803
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: web page with state by state resources. We also have

804
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: a page with detailed steps for rescuing wild animals in

805
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: need that you're welcome to share. We were also delighted

806
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: to hear you point out how bizarre it is that

807
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: humans kill some animals, including cows, but love and protect others,

808
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: whether they're the companions we share our homes with or

809
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: the wildlife we encounter outside. Thank you, Wes. That's always

810
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: really bugged me and I think bugged all of us

811
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Speaker 3: after all, Wes continues, cows feel love, joy, pain, and

812
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: fear exactly as cats and dogs do, and i'd add pigs.

813
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: This is an example of speciism, the misguided belief that

814
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: some species are inherently superior to or more worthy of

815
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: consideration than others. And then PETA sends us a helpful

816
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 3: link to learn more about speciism, says thank you again,

817
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: and if there's ever any way we can serve as

818
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: a resource for you about this or any other animal topic,

819
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: please don't hesitate to contact us. Kind regards West Burdett,

820
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: the press officer of PETA. I can't believe you wrote

821
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 3: to us, Wes.

822
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Speaker 5: Thank you.

823
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Speaker 4: That's the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, right, yes, yes, yeah,

824
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: and just yeah. We certainly there's certainly been campaigns spearheaded

825
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: by PETA that maybe have perhaps been a little bit inflammatory,

826
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Speaker 4: and some people might have issue with some of the

827
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: lines that they take on things, or maybe some of

828
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: the extreme perspectives. But I think every bit of information

829
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Speaker 4: that Wes wrote to us is absolutely accurate and appropriate,

830
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: and I thought it was really really thoughtful, and I

831
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 4: really appreciate the resources.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to find those, you can search

833
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: PETA and then locating a wildlife rehabilitator or the other

834
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: resource that was sent. You could search for PEDA wildlife emergencies,

835
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: how to help and when not to interfere.

836
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you for that, Matt, Thank you for that, Wes.

837
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Speaker 3: I also wanted to note, yes, obviously we are aware

838
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: PETA as an organization. It's been around for a while.

839
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: It has encountered its share of controversy over the years,

840
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: and this happens with any organization of that size. Yet

841
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: I hold firm I will stand on this hill omnivores

842
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: dilemma aside. Shout out to the author, Michael Poland. The

843
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: idea of speciism is very real and it is impacting

844
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: a world that is still wrestling with the dwindling biodiversity

845
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: on the planet right now. It is quite possible if

846
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: things keep going the way they are, that when you

847
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: have grandchildren, if you're human, you will sound like a

848
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: crazy guy when you say, oh, there used to be

849
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: animals in the wild. You could just be in the

850
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: woods and he just run into something and they'll say, ah,

851
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: you're crazy man. Next thing you're going to say you

852
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: had to use your hands to access the Internet.

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Speaker 2: Makes me think of Aloy and the robot animals of

854
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: the Horizon series.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, We're going to call it here, folks. Thank you,

856
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: as always so much for tuning in to our listener

857
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: mail program. Please tune in as we approach the end

858
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Speaker 3: of the new year. We have such wonders to show you.

859
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: Big thanks to oz Woman, Big thanks to Sarah, Big

860
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Speaker 3: thanks to also all the other therapists who have contacted

861
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Speaker 3: us regarding that specific type of therapy. Big big thanks

862
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Speaker 3: to Outlier, Big thanks to WESB and in advance, if

863
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: we could get by with a little help from our friends.

864
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Speaker 3: Big thanks to you, fellow conspiracy realist, for contacting us

865
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Speaker 3: right now. But wait, how do you do it? Do

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. You can call it. Use

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Speaker 2: us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: You can just say your regular stuff. We will devour

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