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Speaker 1: It is the interview that everyone always waits for the

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Speaker 1: end of the season appearance from the Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones with Sean and r J brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Ford. Ford is the best in Texas and Jerry

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Speaker 1: is joining us right here on DFW Sports Station, your

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Speaker 1: home of America's team. Good morning, Jerry, How are you, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: And it's good to be on with you this morning.

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Speaker 1: I wish we were talking about playing these bucks this morning.

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Speaker 1: And it's certainly we don't have to adhere to the

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Speaker 1: forty eight hour rule or twenty four hour rule or

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you say. You can think about

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Speaker 1: the game one way or the other. So we get

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Speaker 1: to weigh this game we had in New York for

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Speaker 1: as long as we want to incorporate it in overall

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Speaker 1: look at the season, and so we're beginning that here today.

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Speaker 1: But in general, we've got to do for what I

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Speaker 1: allays do, and that's point out or reflect on some

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Speaker 1: things that we did well, try to enhance those and

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Speaker 1: try to embellish those, try to keep those, try to

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Speaker 1: improve on those, and then we want to eliminate the

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Speaker 1: mistakes that we made during a year. Jerry, what was

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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts and what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the two Mike McCarthy decisions kicking the extra point versus

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Speaker 1: the two point in earlier in the game and then

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Speaker 1: not challenging the Giants catch that eventually led to a

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Speaker 1: field goal. You know, we all saw the catch. They

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Speaker 1: I'll start with the second one first, and we had

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Speaker 1: was that it's very difficult to get these things overturned,

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Speaker 1: timeout as well. As it turns out it did linked

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Speaker 1: in the distance of the field goal. And having said that,

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Speaker 1: I mean it shortened the distance of the field goal,

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Speaker 1: and that turned out to be a critical play. If

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Speaker 1: we all probably had that one to do over again

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Speaker 1: the way the game turned out, how we ended up,

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Speaker 1: but needing the timeouts, not needing the timeouts, we could

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Speaker 1: have easily burned that one and made that difficult more difficult.

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Speaker 1: So bottom line is that we always wanted some doovers

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Speaker 1: if they looked like they could have changed that outcome.

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Speaker 1: But generally I'm a little a little philosophical about it.

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Speaker 1: Jerry did they show the replay in the stadium on

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Speaker 1: the jumbotrons in time to call the challenge? Like, could

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Speaker 1: Mike have seen the replays himself and not necessarily needed

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Speaker 1: to rely on the replay booth? Not really. We were

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Speaker 1: advantage on television. The rules are set up so that

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Speaker 1: the decisions are compromised, if you will, relative to the

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Speaker 1: use one team's use of the television or one ten

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Speaker 1: not television, but the video of it. So it came

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Speaker 1: so that decision basically was from upstairs. It wasn't Mike's.

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Speaker 1: He was told, no, I don't think we should challenge

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Speaker 1: it right. Well, I don't know about that, Mike. No,

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Speaker 1: it was close, and I thought he had later. I

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Speaker 1: you weigh weigh all of that if it moved question,

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Speaker 1: and you probably don't hear much about it. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: me do I really dock him for making that call

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Speaker 1: at that particular time. My experience over the years with

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Speaker 1: they have ample second guessing of their decisions game day

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Speaker 1: and Jerry, how did you feel about the extra point

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Speaker 1: change in technique, a change in philosophy there, I underestimated

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Speaker 1: more time with the players. We actually were on the money.

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Speaker 1: On the offensive side of the line. We had challenges

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Speaker 1: I don't care what we did with our skill positions,

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Speaker 1: important that it might be to stay hitched with the

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Speaker 1: same over all philosophy. And that one's on me. I'll

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Speaker 1: take that one. That one should have been when we

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Speaker 1: sat down, we should have said, look, especially as we're

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Speaker 1: then putting an emphasis on familiarity, putting an emphasis on

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Speaker 1: Now we still a specially on defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: We brought in several new players that also had an

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Speaker 1: The word is discipline. The word is discipline once you

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Speaker 1: it's real obvious when you look at the defense that

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Speaker 1: to the word in a dictionary called discipline of doing

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Speaker 1: It is criticizing the players. It's not criticizing coach. It

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Speaker 1: better have discipline or you're going to get a lot

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Speaker 1: of big plays. And you get enough of those big plays,

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Speaker 1: they're like turnovers. There's twenty yards up plays. They really

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Speaker 1: tell you better. Very good explanation and ownership with We

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Speaker 1: that had the real serious the teams that such as

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Speaker 1: So having said that, I look, first of all, people

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a very hard hard not hard,

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Speaker 1: But relative to the challenge of getting better next year,

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Speaker 1: We are just out of the gate. We haven't even

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Speaker 1: personnel players some of the very best, Arguably Mike would

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Speaker 1: intense work. Forget the people's names that are on the positions.

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Speaker 1: and make winning decisions. No one shoves it out there

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Speaker 1: We're in a country that is so interested and involved

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Speaker 1: that what we do has its rewards. But the fact

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Speaker 1: hey day of the NFL makes me sick. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: fan How close were you guys to losing Kellen to

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Speaker 1: Boise state, what was the cell job if there was

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Speaker 1: him to stay here. Well, I think it does speak

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Speaker 1: to first of all, Kellen to have at this junction

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