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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 2>By from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Alvarez and Mike semper vb Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get it all.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>three Eastern Sunday three Pacific six Eastern Saturday mornings with

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday here in the show. You know that means

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot to talk about. Brian Rose on

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<v Speaker 1>the chat says slow news day. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he's being sarcastic, but I got shows. We're the material

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to fit into an hour. And I

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<v Speaker 1>will say this, if you don't like complaining, I suggest

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't listen to the first at least half

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<v Speaker 1>of this show. I am mad, but we'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>We got dynamite tonight SmackDown Friday All Out coming up

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. NXT Last Night. It is a source of

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<v Speaker 1>much higher add a bunch of news to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>at Netflix docu series on Vince McMahon. I was online yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody was up in arms and she wasn't asked. She

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<v Speaker 1>was asked, but she's not going to be on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's probably a logical reason for that. But we

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<v Speaker 1>can discuss that a lawsuit has been filed against ae

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<v Speaker 1>W by Kevin Kelly and the Tate Twins. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first heard the story, I was like, who are the

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<v Speaker 1>Tate Twins? Well, they're the boys. I did not know that,

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<v Speaker 1>but now I do. Just we'll tell you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan was on Impulsive, Dear God, slow news day

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<v Speaker 1>talk for years. We got the SmackDown and Rampage ratings.

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<v Speaker 1>EO Sky is a new champion, Yes that's true. Adam Copeland,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Hater talk about their injuries. And we'll see how

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<v Speaker 1>much of NXT I want to review here today, But

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>Here in the show, Brian Alvarez, here, Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like I thought I'd be cooled off by

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. But I'm not. I am not. I freaking

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<v Speaker 1>hated NXT. I absolutely absolutely hated that show. Do you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>probably about four years ago, like I just quit reviewing NXT.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like NXT two point zero.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I was gonna have a day off, we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have to do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so sick of this show and I quit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, they ended up revamping it and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a lot better, and I keep I've said

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<v Speaker 1>it over and over again, like I so badly want

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<v Speaker 1>to like this show, and it's one of those deals

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<v Speaker 1>where for a lot of people, it's probably not a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal at all, but it just absolutely drives me crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's something that would take seconds to just fix,

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<v Speaker 1>and they won't. I watched that show last night, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going back. I refuse to go back. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was about, I don't know, halfway through I started

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<v Speaker 1>to notice not a single time did they identify anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in any backstage segment on this show. No, people are

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<v Speaker 1>just showing up and they're talking. And I've said it before,

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<v Speaker 1>like either put a graphic on the screen or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>needs to say somebody's name. All right, I'm not that

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<v Speaker 1>old I don't have brain damage. Okay, I know who

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people are in the show, but I

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<v Speaker 1>still don't remember everybody because there's like ninety people on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. What is the frickin' bookworm's name? God help me?

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<v Speaker 1>What is his name?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want me to tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? Thank you? Deon Lennox who.

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<v Speaker 3>I Deon Lexis earlier when I was trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>just sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>There on a box and then he walks up and

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<v Speaker 1>makes some comment and walks off. It's like his third

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<v Speaker 1>appearance in six months, third appearance in six months. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't identify the guy. And then the real pinnacle to

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<v Speaker 1>me was they had a segment in the back and

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<v Speaker 1>I am not making this up, as God is my witness,

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<v Speaker 1>there were thirteen women on the screen at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen They didn't identify anybody. And at that point I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, forget it, screw the show, Like

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<v Speaker 1>why am I watching this? And you know what makes

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<v Speaker 1>me so mad about it? Forget me, okay, forget me whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to troll me or you're just stupid. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the difference is, Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>which is worse. Are they trolling me or are they stupid?

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<v Speaker 1>Like which is worse? Okay, fine, forget it. You realize

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<v Speaker 1>they were like a month away from them moving to

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<v Speaker 1>the CW. The CW is on network television. Okay. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that they're gonna get like a billion viewers

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that whatever, but you know there's a

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<v Speaker 1>good chance that you're gonna get some new eyeballs on

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<v Speaker 1>the CW and you're just gonna throw out eighty different

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<v Speaker 1>people and not identify any of them. Yes, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do your new viewers. You know you're gonna get no

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<v Speaker 1>new viewers. Why is this so hard? I went back

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<v Speaker 1>during the commercial break because I was like, am I

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<v Speaker 1>out of my mind here? I went back and I

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<v Speaker 1>turned on Raw. Okay, you know how ROS starts, and

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<v Speaker 1>it starts with Wayde Barrett introducing the fans to Joe Tessitur. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he says the guy's name first off. That's a good

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<v Speaker 1>start to this, like identify the guy verbally, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a giant cry on there, Hey Joe Tessitour. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's next? Okay? Next is a scene where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>enters the building. Okay, who enters the building. Gunther, Gunther

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<v Speaker 1>right there on the bottom of the screen. The world

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<v Speaker 1>champion got identified. Gunther. Okay, you know what walks in next?

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<v Speaker 1>See him Punk? See him Punk right down there at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. Hey, that's CM Punk. See him freaking Punk

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<v Speaker 1>gets identified? Switch that. Next, there's the bookworm. No freaking clue.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is no graphic. I have no idea. No

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<v Speaker 1>one says his name, like, he's just a guy doing skits.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, whatever, why do I bother? What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? Bro? I've told this story a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times. What I was a kid, maybe five times.

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<v Speaker 1>I've told this story more times than than I I've

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<v Speaker 1>identified that bookworm. When I was a kid, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a backyard promotion and we got in public access television.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay and ay much, but you know back then there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't that many channels. If you had cable, you had

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<v Speaker 1>maybe thirty channels. Well one of them was public access.

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<v Speaker 1>My show was on there to the point where, like

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Spencer's once in the mall, I got recognized,

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<v Speaker 1>so people like watch the show. It's like cool, Why

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<v Speaker 1>I had no money? Do you understand? You know much

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<v Speaker 1>money I had? My teens. I didn't have nothing. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a job, but it wasn't like I was filthy rich.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little money, lived at home, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>with my no frickin money, I got one of those

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<v Speaker 1>little video catalogs, you know, video production. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know how much. It's like four hundred dollars, you know

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<v Speaker 1>much four hundred dollars was in nineteen ninety three a

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<v Speaker 1>lot man as will be three thousand dollars to day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was broke, Okay, I went out of my way.

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<v Speaker 1>I scrounged and saved and taught snot nosed kids how

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<v Speaker 1>to do flips, which I'm still bitter about to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I bought what was called it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>this is literally the name of it, the title Maker

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand. Because it was the nineties, it seeing so

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<v Speaker 1>high tech, man waiting, we see what we can do

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<v Speaker 1>in the so anyway, I bought a title maker two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>So on my stupid nothing happening public access wrestling television show, film,

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<v Speaker 1>and a gymnastics facility. I could put graphics on the screen. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the Beast, here's the Psycho. This is a white

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<v Speaker 1>WF championship match. I did all that. These people in

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<v Speaker 1>a freaking multi billion dollar company. They can't put graphics

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen for their NXTTV show that they're paid

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seventy million dollars a year whatever, And how much

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<v Speaker 1>I was paid to be on public accessing. I pay

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. All I put on there for free.

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing out of it. I still invested in

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<v Speaker 1>a title maker so the viewers could know who everybody was.

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<v Speaker 1>These nerds, Oh, everyone knows the bookworm. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been on TV three times. He's the guy he takes

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<v Speaker 1>his glass off, He's Superman. You told me his name

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes. If I don't remember his name again, how how

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<v Speaker 1>am I supposed to remember a guy's name that's been

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<v Speaker 1>on TV three times on a show with ninety other people,

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<v Speaker 1>And don't say I'm the only one. So anyway, have

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<v Speaker 1>some respect for your audience. Identify people, Tell people who

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is. Maybe they'll kind of start to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Thirteen women, dude, And the only one I

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<v Speaker 1>knew was Brintley Reechs because someone actually said Brinley. If

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that, if I can remember who that was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had like a peel box. I'd send him

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<v Speaker 1>money for identifying Brintley by saying Brinley. God, you realize

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<v Speaker 1>how many old people watch that show. They are worse

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<v Speaker 1>memories than I do. How I ain't supposed to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the bookworm. I made it through that whole thing done

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<v Speaker 1>without swearing. I'm probably not even done yet. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so angry when the show was over. What

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<v Speaker 1>a waste of my time. God, Sidney, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>pause the show fifty times to try and remember who

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<v Speaker 1>someone's name is so I can write some crap and

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<v Speaker 1>a stupid report nobody reads. God, what a life?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I read it, which is why I

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<v Speaker 3>knew you were going to be so angry today. You've

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<v Speaker 3>ranted on that immediately as soon as you started typing

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<v Speaker 3>away there for the review. And by the time they

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<v Speaker 3>got to the famed kitchen of NXT where Ashanti Viadonas

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<v Speaker 3>was meeting up with Brindlee and her friend and whoever

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<v Speaker 3>else it was there, Eddie Thorpe, you were done with everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I was done. They then they sprung the women on

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<v Speaker 3>you and.

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<v Speaker 1>Spittake here goes. If it's a new or relatively new face,

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<v Speaker 1>identify them, But when it's true or Charlie Dempsey, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you need to identify them? Because you might have

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<v Speaker 1>someone tuning in for the first freaking time and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to c W. We're changing networks here. They identified

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<v Speaker 1>c M Punk CM Punk. They identify gun thro the

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<v Speaker 1>world heavyweight champion. You know, they're gonna identify when he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, Roman Reigns, Becky Lynch. They identify everybody because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're running a business thinking, well, I got all

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<v Speaker 1>the viewers I'm gonna get, we ain't gonna get anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares? You should be doing that show thinking every

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<v Speaker 1>day ten thousand new people are gonna tune in. They

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<v Speaker 1>probably won't, but what if what if they don't like

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<v Speaker 1>something on TV? They tune into your show and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Who's that? What's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? I'm gonna go watch Dawson's creak. I'm out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. Observer Live, you get a ship the dog

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<v Speaker 1>in the mom mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, you were listening to wrestling Observer Live with Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Alvarez and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>You know he had a couple of idiots in here.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't get it. But then we got smart people

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<v Speaker 1>like this guy here, he goes, I mean NFL games

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<v Speaker 1>do it every game. They even I D Patrick Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy says, they even I D Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 1>when she's in the stands. It's kind of an industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and this industry standard even at the most amateur level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right speaking. That's why it's annoying that Mike perv excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't you couldn't have. You could not have been

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger more hunt. That's what it says, Mike. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you dirty. It was on a split screen, you know something.

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<v Speaker 1>Never that was the most amazing moment in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of this show. I get mad because, okay, how many

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<v Speaker 1>brands are there in WWE?

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<v Speaker 3>Three?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the two brands with the absolute biggest stars

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<v Speaker 1>identify all the big stars, but the third brand with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of nobody's nobody gets identified. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>done on purpose. Here's the thing. It's either done on purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>in which case they're idiots, or it's not done on purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>in which case they're idiots. There's no option that is

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<v Speaker 1>not they're idiots. Fix it.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if they need to have it to the degree of

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<v Speaker 3>trick or any of that stuff. But when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to a lot of these people, because they are in

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<v Speaker 3>and out so much and you're trying to establish a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these folks, yes you should do that. On

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<v Speaker 3>top of the fact that it looks esthetically pleasing with

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<v Speaker 3>the graphics that they've been using on Raw and SmackDown

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<v Speaker 3>and some of that auto trickle down to NXT, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it will when they hit the CW. I find

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<v Speaker 3>it difficult to believe that they're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 3>do this and risk alienating any possible viewers and risking

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<v Speaker 3>you ranting about it every week.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why I have to explain this like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to children, Like somebody was like you expected

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<v Speaker 1>to put thirteen graphics on the screen for all thirteen women. Brother,

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<v Speaker 1>take a break, take a deep breath and think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all thirteen women were not talking. Okay, four of them did,

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<v Speaker 1>so is it that hard to either a put a

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<v Speaker 1>graphic on the screen when each of them are talking,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the very least say the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>person that you're talking to when a shanty the adonnis.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just say Christ here comes a shanty? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it that hard? Or if you're not gonna say that,

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<v Speaker 1>can you just put the guy's name on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever watched like old Listen, Vince is an idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>absolute idiot. Okay, but he knew some stuff. Clearly he

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<v Speaker 1>built an empire and that was a decree. When you

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<v Speaker 1>do your promo, you must say your name. I'm Jake

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<v Speaker 1>the Snake Roberts here on the snake Pit, my guest tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I was watched it yesterday. Jake was interviewing the Honky

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<v Speaker 1>talk Man, my guest tonight. He says, has the stupidest

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<v Speaker 1>name I've ever heard of. I have never heard a

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<v Speaker 1>name dumber than this name I bring to you. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>the Honky Tonk Man, what a stupid name. The guy

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<v Speaker 1>comes out, you have no like an idiot watching the

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<v Speaker 1>show for the first time knows the guy's name is

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<v Speaker 1>a Honky Tonk man. These NXT nerds, Uh, Let's throw

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<v Speaker 1>Karmen Petrovitch on the screen, not identifier, have her do

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<v Speaker 1>some verbal jousting with some dude we don't identify. You're

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<v Speaker 1>watching the show going. Why do these two not like

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<v Speaker 1>each other? What's going on here? Who are they? Who

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<v Speaker 1>is this person? I'd like to know more about them,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know who they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Stupid or in a case like they did to us

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<v Speaker 3>a while back, when they had six blondes on screen,

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<v Speaker 3>several of them that you hadn't seen in quite some

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<v Speaker 3>time or had been in and out of air, it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, Okay, well who are these people? Who are

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<v Speaker 3>they all? And Brittley Reese is a great example of that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know a lot of those folks. You throw a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of names on the screen right now, Can everybody

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<v Speaker 3>that's a not a die hard viewer that may be

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<v Speaker 3>listening to this show right now, can they identify everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way. I doubt that's possible. And the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>forget about that. The fact is you want.

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<v Speaker 3>To saturate everybody and drive it home and beat people

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<v Speaker 3>over the head with it. And people talk about not

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<v Speaker 3>liking that. It's an effective strategy, whether you're WWE or

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<v Speaker 3>any other type of business. We talk about it with aew.

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<v Speaker 3>They swerve a great example of a guy who goes

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<v Speaker 3>out and does all of these things. He's on all

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<v Speaker 3>of these podcasts, he's at this concert, he's hanging with

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<v Speaker 3>this person, and we don't see it. It'll be online.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't beat people over the head with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And some AW fans are happy about that. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>want that style. But the fact of the matter is

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<v Speaker 1>it's more effective for AW as a company and as

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<v Speaker 1>business that they do beat over the head with it.

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<v Speaker 1>They do saturate everybody with it. You may not like it,

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<v Speaker 1>you may not bite on it, but guess what, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that's tuning in may find out that he is doing

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff that they're not aware of. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit of a different situation, but the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of thing where sometimes you've got to put

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in the viewer's position and not think that they

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<v Speaker 1>know every little last thing about everything that's taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>Just be professional, not in graphics identifying everybody as below

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<v Speaker 1>public access level. That's what it is. Come on, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to move on. You know what else I'm

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<v Speaker 1>mad about?

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<v Speaker 3>What's that?

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<v Speaker 1>All out is on Saturday?

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<v Speaker 3>It is, but not at one o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamites tonight, and brother, we know three matches, we got

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<v Speaker 1>one more added cents yesterday. Why is it so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to have a card. Can someone explain this to me?

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<v Speaker 1>We got three matches Okata versus Kyle Fletcher for the

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<v Speaker 1>Continental title?

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<v Speaker 3>How much do he want us to pay for this?

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<v Speaker 1>Mariah May versus Nila Rose and Osprey Orange and Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>versus Pot, Claudio and Wheeler non title. All we have

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<v Speaker 1>announced for this show is MGF gonna be there, is

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<v Speaker 1>Mercedes gonna be there, Britt Baker, Chris Jericho, Hangman, Page Swerve.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. They've announced nothing. So I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 1>find out.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get some stuff and give us fifty bucks

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<v Speaker 3>over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ricochet is Shay there? I don't know he should

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<v Speaker 1>be Why would he not?

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<v Speaker 3>That would be unfortunate. Why would he not be there?

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<v Speaker 3>But then again, why would you not? Why would you

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<v Speaker 3>not advertise if he was going to be here?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I'm baffled, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming Netflix docu

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<v Speaker 1>series on Vince. According to Brandon Thurston, the producers did

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to Grant's team to interview her for the project,

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<v Speaker 1>but were unable to secure her participation. Netflix's documentary group

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<v Speaker 1>made an initial outreach to Janelle's representation for an interview

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<v Speaker 1>for this project. A spokesperson for Grant said, despite this,

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<v Speaker 1>no such interview came to fruition. I think the fact

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<v Speaker 1>of the matter is she probably was advised legally not

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, right, Yeah, why why would I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that this was a thing until you said that,

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<v Speaker 1>Because number one, why would she do it when there's

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing litiga going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the benefit of this at all?

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<v Speaker 1>To her?

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see it. So I'm surprised that people are

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<v Speaker 3>jumping up and down about it. But it's something seems

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<v Speaker 3>like it's very simple, she declined. Because of everything that's

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<v Speaker 3>going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine they're going to interview Vince and he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to give his side of the story of the lawsuit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. He would be advised not to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if she was okay to go ahead and do that,

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you want to do it on their forum

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<v Speaker 3>when this whole thing is about Vince McMahon exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know it's going to be edited, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know it's going to be clipped up. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>foolish for her to give her a sight of the

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<v Speaker 1>story on this lawsuit has been filed against AW, Kevin Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Tate Twins. It took me a long time

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tate Twins were.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't see that coming.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the boys. Kelly alleges defamation from Ian Ricabbonny

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<v Speaker 1>and AW steming from Ricabonny making comments on a discord

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>It channel regarding Kelly being involved in QA and on conspiracies.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>He is seeking monetary damages, claiming AW breached his contract.

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>The situation has made it difficult for him to find

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<v Speaker 1>work elsewhere. He was fired in March. Tay Twins were

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<v Speaker 1>fired in April. Tony Khin stated publicly their releases were

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<v Speaker 1>due to no showing events, which the brothers later attributed

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<v Speaker 1>to a miscommunication between them and management after they were

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<v Speaker 1>booked to fly out of a different airport than they

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<v Speaker 1>normally use. The claim they know showed events is at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the defamation suit against Cohn and AW,

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:36.199
<v Speaker 1>requesting the court certify a class action suit against AW.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Here we go over the company misclassifying its talent as

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>independent contractors rather than employees. This comes up every few

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>years and it never goes anywhere. But who knows, never

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<v Speaker 1>know when you might get the right judge or the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong judge, depending on whose side you're on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the demanding a jury trial, that is one thing

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 3>that they both sides were not both sides, but the

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Taits and Kevin Kelly are wanting. They're seeking in damages

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<v Speaker 3>in excess of fifty thousand dollars, and aws Fire filed

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 3>a motion to keep it under seal. A judge is

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to determine if it's going to remain

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<v Speaker 3>that way. You know that if you read I saw

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<v Speaker 3>a redacted copy of the lawsuit, and the boys talk

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<v Speaker 3>about wanting money owed to them, travel expenses and royalties

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<v Speaker 3>that have been owed to them. They say they were

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<v Speaker 3>wrongfully terminated due to budget cuts, and then Tony during

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<v Speaker 3>the Supercard of Honor a couple of days later, both

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<v Speaker 3>the pre and the post show scrums talked about the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that it was because they know showed work and

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<v Speaker 3>apparently they're claiming that they've been ridiculed for that and

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<v Speaker 3>it's been detrimental to their careers as well too, saying

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<v Speaker 3>that they've tried to go out and get fucked, but

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't had a chance to Kevin Kelly obviously his

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<v Speaker 3>case with Ian that that came up and and is

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<v Speaker 3>suing him and trying to get monetary damages from him,

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<v Speaker 3>hr and not having you know, much success there, and

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>I got the show, Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the thing with a defamation lawsuit. I'm no lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>but and if we have any lawyers, they can confirm

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<v Speaker 1>or deny what.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm about to say play one on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not plain one. But what what I've heard is

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little difficult with defamation because a Kevin Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>is a public figure, and B he has to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to prove that whatever was said about him, like

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Abonnie knowingly knew that it was false and was

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<v Speaker 1>actively trying to harm Kevin Kelly. And you know, given

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<v Speaker 1>it was stated on a discord that if I recall,

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<v Speaker 1>like Ric Abonnie didn't know was going to like go public.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like that's to be very difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that Rick Abonnie knew it was false, sat on

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<v Speaker 1>the discord to harm Kevin Kelly, who is a public figure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if I recall Corcy, I don't believe that he

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<v Speaker 3>called Kevin Kelly a QAN non member. It says that

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<v Speaker 3>he shared a movie shared by a you know, q

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<v Speaker 3>Andon a lot of people that were QAnon conspiracy theorists

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<v Speaker 3>and people that were associated with that really pushed the

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<v Speaker 3>sound of Freedom movie and it said he remember hid

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<v Speaker 3>him saying that it disappointed him. Again. Now again, you

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<v Speaker 3>gotta be I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>how to parse all of that stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did Ian lie knowingly to harm a public figure?

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<v Speaker 1>And the public figure part is also hard because he's

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<v Speaker 1>a public figure.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the lawsuit it does state that online, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people have drawn the connection you know, and said that

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<v Speaker 3>it was a q Andon movie, but then said that

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<v Speaker 3>there was no connection between QAnon in the movie, that

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<v Speaker 3>that's all been unproven and false. And I reached out

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<v Speaker 3>to Ian and didn't get a response. I'm not surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't reach out to aw Brian Solomon did. He

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<v Speaker 3>did not get a response, reached out to Kevin Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>He pushed Brian to Stephn p New and I know

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<v Speaker 3>that Brandon Thurston has reached out to AW with no

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<v Speaker 3>comment yet on any of this stuff. And again, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>did this prevent him from earning any other work? To me,

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest thing is if they stood in the way

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<v Speaker 3>of him working the altogether show, then he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>little piece of a complaint that then goes to what

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<v Speaker 3>both they are claiming, which is we are employees, we

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<v Speaker 3>are not independent contractors, and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have issues with this that in the third So again

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<v Speaker 1>AW will find out. I'm sure they don't want this

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<v Speaker 1>to go any further than it really is. You know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>they filed a motion to keep everything under seal, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that this because they were contracts that they

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<v Speaker 1>are if anything, would rather have this an arbitration because

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<v Speaker 1>we see that with companies all the time, of all sizes,

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<v Speaker 1>not the least of which has been WWE that wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get the Janelle Grant situation to arbitration because it

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<v Speaker 1>prevents a whole lot of possibly messy things from coming

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<v Speaker 1>out and being public.

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<v Speaker 3>And at the least it prevents some things that are

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<v Speaker 3>in I'm sure that their private their employee handbook, all

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<v Speaker 3>those sorts of things. I'm sure they want to keep

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<v Speaker 3>under vests. So we'll see ultimately in the next couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days and a couple of weeks here what ends

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<v Speaker 3>up shaken out of this. But it's really it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like an uphill battle to me, just personally, again being

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<v Speaker 3>a layman, not really knowing. It just seems like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a real uphill battle. And I've seen this fight with

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<v Speaker 3>independent contractors employees for a long time. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>want that to be the case, you have to unionize.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not going to be a class action lawsuit that

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<v Speaker 3>does it. It's going to be actually banding together and

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<v Speaker 3>unionizing and getting support from other established unions. Otherwise this

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 3>is never going to happen. I don't think it's ever

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 3>gonna happen anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Cogan signed a new five year deal with the company.

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<v Speaker 1>He said on Logan Paul's Impulsive podcast, five year deal, licensing, merchandising,

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<v Speaker 1>ambassador stuff. If they need me to do something for Usselman,

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I just love doing it. It's definitely different. Did you

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>see any the clips from this podcast?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I never will. I hope.

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I was I was on I was on X and

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<v Speaker 1>I was scrolling. And also there's Hogan and Logan Paul

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<v Speaker 1>and this clip that I watched, and granted, you know,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 1>they take they take clips, they take like the best

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>clips to put online or whatever, and and uh, like.

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<v Speaker 3>The one you're gonna put up in my name later.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do that, dude, You're gonna split screen and

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>you held it up and that's what it said. I

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>have nothing to do with video. Now Hogan is talking

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to Logan Paul and he's putting him over. I've never

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>seen somebody, you know, blah blah blah, it's the usual bs.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>And then I don't remember what he said, because like

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just in awe of what I was watching.

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>But Hogan said something about how he oh God, can

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>someone help me? What did he say? But the point

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>is that he mentioned the terms work and shoot. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>if this happens, is it a work or a shoot?

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>And the question he asked, I gotta I will say this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not seen the Ben wal clip. This is a

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>different clip, so I gotta say the first. Okay, Logan

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Paul sitting there behind the mic in this podcast, I

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know.

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 3>What was up.

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>He looked like at least three quarters of his brain

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>had been removed. He's barely functioning. Okay, he's got this.

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I don't watch this show, but

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching this clip and I'm like, this guy's barely functioning.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't know what's going on. But then Hogan asks

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>this question involving the terms work and shoot, and Logan

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>is just like, and I will say, to be fair,

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I also had that exact same look on my face

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>after Hogan asked this question. I was like, what are

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? I should have gone back to find out,

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:53.479
<v Speaker 1>but that was not the important thing. He just asked

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>this question that makes no sense whatsoever.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 3>He's like, he ask him like, what if when Harley

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Race came in and shot on me?

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 10>Like?

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 3>What what was that?

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>What was it? No? It was something like he goes.

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 1>He goes, if if we have a match and you

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>make five hundred dollars and I make five thousand dollars,

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is that a work or a shoot? Like I'm pretty

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 1>sure that was his question. And I was like, if

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>he makes five hundred and you make, is that a what?

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like just absolutely confused, and Logan had to

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 1>look on his face of absolute confusion. Okay. Then Logan goes,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand what you're saying, and so it's okay.

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>It's okay at this point because I don't get it either.

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>And then Hogan goes, if we have a match and

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you make five hundred and I make five thousand, is

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that a worker shoot? I'm still like, what are you

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about? But then Logan says, I don't understand what

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>that means, like, I know what a work is, but

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>what's a shoot? And Hogan does the Steve Austin thing

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 1>from that one show where uh, what's what's her face?

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Made that comment about her favorite match being Alicia Fox

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Hogan just like he all of a sudden

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 1>becomes Terry Bolea. He's at a character and he just

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>he turns and he looks at the camera like what

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, you don't know what a shoot is?

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>And Logan goes no, and Logan's co host jumps in.

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>He goes, no, Logan, he doesn't know what a shoot is,

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't understand your question, and Logan goes, I

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know what a shoot is, and as part of

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>goes no, no, no, Hogan, he knows what a shoot

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>is and Logan's like, you're embarrassing me, and I'm like,

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>what is happening here?

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<v Speaker 10>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening here? So I think he was serious

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know what a shoot is. But I like,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a ten second clip of this podcast. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't watch it, Like I can't, Okay, I just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's part of me that's like, I gotta watch

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<v Speaker 1>this whole show. I have to watch it. But anyway, man, dude, what.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he knows what a rib is.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably well after that, oh god, well, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember the story about when Chris Candido was

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<v Speaker 1>the NWA World Champion. He was dying to meet Luthez.

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<v Speaker 1>So he finally meets Luthez and Sez. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking back and forth and oh, you're the champion. This

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<v Speaker 1>is nineteen ninety four or five or whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>after Shane Douglas had already thrown it down and just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be careful, kid, when you're going out there, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be careful. Yeah, watch out for the double Cross.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen ninety four. Now we got it. But look we're

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's funny, but three years later there was a

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<v Speaker 1>double cross. Well but in twenty twenty four with boxing

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<v Speaker 1>and with maybe they just the term shoot fighting, the

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<v Speaker 1>term shoot. It's just maybe people don't know what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like hooking. Like do you think how do you not

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<v Speaker 1>know the term shoot in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Four because he's not a wrestler.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a wrestler. He's like, he's been in big

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<v Speaker 1>time matches. He's traded, Yeah, but in what environment though,

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<v Speaker 1>even if he hadn't done that, well, he's he's listened

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<v Speaker 1>to a podcast in his lifetime.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe look if he's that again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how that dude's mind functions, and I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>But like Pat McAfee when he was down there, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>getting made fun of by Rep Rogers, I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 3>knows what a shoot is. I know, I'm sure a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people, especially if they went through training or

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<v Speaker 3>what you know, or of a certain age. But like

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<v Speaker 3>if Bad Bunny or Logan Paul or like, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprised does anybody on the chat not know what a

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<v Speaker 1>shoot is?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>But look, is there one person just be honest, is

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<v Speaker 1>there one person doesn't know what a shoot is. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what's a shoot. These ratings SmackDown two point

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<v Speaker 1>zero five four million and a point five three eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>to forty nine, down a little bit, and is their

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<v Speaker 1>last Fox show on Friday. It's gonna do gigantic numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Romans there. Then they moved to USA and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>there next Friday to watch it rampage two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand viewers, second lowest total viewership in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. And that's against the show the win

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<v Speaker 1>head head with the Olympics, So with no Olympic competition,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a point oh seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to football.

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<v Speaker 1>That number sucks. And then I think we all knew

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<v Speaker 1>this was gonna happen, but Brandon Thurston just posted the

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<v Speaker 1>collision ratings. This was the collision that went head to

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<v Speaker 1>head with actually didn't go head to head.

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<v Speaker 7>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's bad, brother, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it didn't go head to head with.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't go ahead to head, but it was on

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<v Speaker 1>AWE pay perview day.

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<v Speaker 3>On the first weekend of college football.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just realized it's actually this Friday where they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna die because they're going head They're going head to

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<v Speaker 1>head with SmackDown on Friday night.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks Saturday night, mean, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Collision did a he did to eighty nine Collision to

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine and a point one, the lowest in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of Collision, and that includes all preemptions. There has

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<v Speaker 1>never been an episode of Collision that did fewer viewers

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<v Speaker 1>any day, anytime, any out of whatever, ever than the

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<v Speaker 1>show on Saturday night, which was on a WWE pay

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<v Speaker 1>perview day, which actually aired earlier in the morning, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty nine thousand viewers in a point one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is coming Friday head ed was Smackedown on five.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then this Saturday. You know, people will say, hey,

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, well it was head to head with SmackDown,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 3>move days and all that stuff. October fifth is that

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<v Speaker 3>the day of the pay per view in Atlanta that

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 3>is going to be an earlier pay per view star

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<v Speaker 3>time for WWE. The same day that UFC is the

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>same day that the both baseball Playoff League Division Series begins.

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<v Speaker 8>On top of.

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<v Speaker 1>College football, with a lot more rivalries going on, They're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get swamped, you know, unless something changes and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it can be right now. They just

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep trudging through and hopefully get to the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the year and start over. Brian Rose knows

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't announce anything for Collision until the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a broken record. Back in a moment, it

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<v Speaker 3>Feel better. At least.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go eat some Ribs'll make him feel better. Well,

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