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Speaker 1: as well. Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Here in the show, Brian Alvarez, here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 3: You're in a good mood.
Speaker 1: I am like I thought I'd be cooled off by
Speaker 1: this morning. But I'm not. I am not. I freaking
Speaker 1: hated NXT. I absolutely absolutely hated that show. Do you remember,
Speaker 1: probably about four years ago, like I just quit reviewing NXT.
Speaker 1: It was like NXT two point zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was gonna have a day off, we
Speaker 3: didn't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: I was so sick of this show and I quit.
Speaker 1: And then you know, they ended up revamping it and
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot better, and I keep I've said
Speaker 1: it over and over again, like I so badly want
Speaker 1: to like this show, and it's one of those deals
Speaker 1: where for a lot of people, it's probably not a
Speaker 1: big deal at all, but it just absolutely drives me crazy,
Speaker 1: and it's something that would take seconds to just fix,
Speaker 1: and they won't. I watched that show last night, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going back. I refuse to go back. But
Speaker 1: it was about, I don't know, halfway through I started
Speaker 1: to notice not a single time did they identify anybody
Speaker 1: in any backstage segment on this show. No, people are
Speaker 1: just showing up and they're talking. And I've said it before,
Speaker 1: like either put a graphic on the screen or somebody
Speaker 1: needs to say somebody's name. All right, I'm not that
Speaker 1: old I don't have brain damage. Okay, I know who
Speaker 1: most of the people are in the show, but I
Speaker 1: still don't remember everybody because there's like ninety people on
Speaker 1: the show. What is the frickin' bookworm's name? God help me?
Speaker 1: What is his name?
Speaker 3: Do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 1: What is it? Thank you? Deon Lennox who.
Speaker 3: I Deon Lexis earlier when I was trying to figure
Speaker 3: just sitting.
Speaker 1: There on a box and then he walks up and
Speaker 1: makes some comment and walks off. It's like his third
Speaker 1: appearance in six months, third appearance in six months. They
Speaker 1: don't identify the guy. And then the real pinnacle to
Speaker 1: me was they had a segment in the back and
Speaker 1: I am not making this up, as God is my witness,
Speaker 1: there were thirteen women on the screen at the same time,
Speaker 1: thirteen They didn't identify anybody. And at that point I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, forget it, screw the show, Like
Speaker 1: why am I watching this? And you know what makes
Speaker 1: me so mad about it? Forget me, okay, forget me whatever.
Speaker 1: You want to troll me or you're just stupid. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the difference is, Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: which is worse. Are they trolling me or are they stupid?
Speaker 1: Like which is worse? Okay, fine, forget it. You realize
Speaker 1: they were like a month away from them moving to
Speaker 1: the CW. The CW is on network television. Okay. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they're gonna get like a billion viewers
Speaker 1: or anything like that whatever, but you know there's a
Speaker 1: good chance that you're gonna get some new eyeballs on
Speaker 1: the CW and you're just gonna throw out eighty different
Speaker 1: people and not identify any of them. Yes, we gotta
Speaker 1: do your new viewers. You know you're gonna get no
Speaker 1: new viewers. Why is this so hard? I went back
Speaker 1: during the commercial break because I was like, am I
Speaker 1: out of my mind here? I went back and I
Speaker 1: turned on Raw. Okay, you know how ROS starts, and
Speaker 1: it starts with Wayde Barrett introducing the fans to Joe Tessitur. Okay,
Speaker 1: he says the guy's name first off. That's a good
Speaker 1: start to this, like identify the guy verbally, and then
Speaker 1: there's a giant cry on there, Hey Joe Tessitour. Wow.
Speaker 1: So what's next? Okay? Next is a scene where everybody
Speaker 1: enters the building. Okay, who enters the building. Gunther, Gunther
Speaker 1: right there on the bottom of the screen. The world
Speaker 1: champion got identified. Gunther. Okay, you know what walks in next?
Speaker 1: See him Punk? See him Punk right down there at
Speaker 1: the bottom. Hey, that's CM Punk. See him freaking Punk
Speaker 1: gets identified? Switch that. Next, there's the bookworm. No freaking clue.
Speaker 1: This guy is no graphic. I have no idea. No
Speaker 1: one says his name, like, he's just a guy doing skits.
Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever, why do I bother? What's going on here?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Bro? I've told this story a
Speaker 1: thousand times. What I was a kid, maybe five times.
Speaker 1: I've told this story more times than than I I've
Speaker 1: identified that bookworm. When I was a kid, I had
Speaker 1: a backyard promotion and we got in public access television.
Speaker 1: Okay and ay much, but you know back then there
Speaker 1: weren't that many channels. If you had cable, you had
Speaker 1: maybe thirty channels. Well one of them was public access.
Speaker 1: My show was on there to the point where, like
Speaker 1: I went to Spencer's once in the mall, I got recognized,
Speaker 1: so people like watch the show. It's like cool, Why
Speaker 1: I had no money? Do you understand? You know much
Speaker 1: money I had? My teens. I didn't have nothing. I
Speaker 1: had a job, but it wasn't like I was filthy rich.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I had a little money, lived at home, okay, but
Speaker 1: with my no frickin money, I got one of those
Speaker 1: little video catalogs, you know, video production. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know how much. It's like four hundred dollars, you know
Speaker 1: much four hundred dollars was in nineteen ninety three a
Speaker 1: lot man as will be three thousand dollars to day.
Speaker 1: And I was broke, Okay, I went out of my way.
Speaker 1: I scrounged and saved and taught snot nosed kids how
Speaker 1: to do flips, which I'm still bitter about to this day.
Speaker 1: And I bought what was called it was like the
Speaker 1: this is literally the name of it, the title Maker
Speaker 1: two thousand. Because it was the nineties, it seeing so
Speaker 1: high tech, man waiting, we see what we can do
Speaker 1: in the so anyway, I bought a title maker two thousand.
Speaker 1: So on my stupid nothing happening public access wrestling television show, film,
Speaker 1: and a gymnastics facility. I could put graphics on the screen. Hey,
Speaker 1: here's the Beast, here's the Psycho. This is a white
Speaker 1: WF championship match. I did all that. These people in
Speaker 1: a freaking multi billion dollar company. They can't put graphics
Speaker 1: on the screen for their NXTTV show that they're paid
Speaker 1: fifty seventy million dollars a year whatever, And how much
Speaker 1: I was paid to be on public accessing. I pay
Speaker 1: to do it. All I put on there for free.
Speaker 1: I got nothing out of it. I still invested in
Speaker 1: a title maker so the viewers could know who everybody was.
Speaker 1: These nerds, Oh, everyone knows the bookworm. You know, he's
Speaker 1: been on TV three times. He's the guy he takes
Speaker 1: his glass off, He's Superman. You told me his name
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. If I don't remember his name again, how how
Speaker 1: am I supposed to remember a guy's name that's been
Speaker 1: on TV three times on a show with ninety other people,
Speaker 1: And don't say I'm the only one. So anyway, have
Speaker 1: some respect for your audience. Identify people, Tell people who
Speaker 1: everybody is. Maybe they'll kind of start to get into
Speaker 1: the show. Thirteen women, dude, And the only one I
Speaker 1: knew was Brintley Reechs because someone actually said Brinley. If
Speaker 1: I knew that, if I can remember who that was,
Speaker 1: and I had like a peel box. I'd send him
Speaker 1: money for identifying Brintley by saying Brinley. God, you realize
Speaker 1: how many old people watch that show. They are worse
Speaker 1: memories than I do. How I ain't supposed to remember
Speaker 1: the bookworm. I made it through that whole thing done
Speaker 1: without swearing. I'm probably not even done yet. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I was so angry when the show was over. What
Speaker 1: a waste of my time. God, Sidney, you have to
Speaker 1: pause the show fifty times to try and remember who
Speaker 1: someone's name is so I can write some crap and
Speaker 1: a stupid report nobody reads. God, what a life?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I read it, which is why I
Speaker 3: knew you were going to be so angry today. You've
Speaker 3: ranted on that immediately as soon as you started typing
Speaker 3: away there for the review. And by the time they
Speaker 3: got to the famed kitchen of NXT where Ashanti Viadonas
Speaker 3: was meeting up with Brindlee and her friend and whoever
Speaker 3: else it was there, Eddie Thorpe, you were done with everything.
Speaker 3: I was done. They then they sprung the women on
Speaker 3: you and.
Speaker 1: Spittake here goes. If it's a new or relatively new face,
Speaker 1: identify them, But when it's true or Charlie Dempsey, why
Speaker 1: do you need to identify them? Because you might have
Speaker 1: someone tuning in for the first freaking time and we're
Speaker 1: going to c W. We're changing networks here. They identified
Speaker 1: c M Punk CM Punk. They identify gun thro the
Speaker 1: world heavyweight champion. You know, they're gonna identify when he
Speaker 1: comes back, Roman Reigns, Becky Lynch. They identify everybody because
Speaker 1: if you're running a business thinking, well, I got all
Speaker 1: the viewers I'm gonna get, we ain't gonna get anymore.
Speaker 1: Who cares? You should be doing that show thinking every
Speaker 1: day ten thousand new people are gonna tune in. They
Speaker 1: probably won't, but what if what if they don't like
Speaker 1: something on TV? They tune into your show and they're like,
Speaker 1: who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Who's that? What's going
Speaker 1: on here? I'm gonna go watch Dawson's creak. I'm out
Speaker 1: of here. Observer Live, you get a ship the dog
Speaker 1: in the mom mean.
Speaker 2: Time, you were listening to wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 2: Alvarez and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: You know he had a couple of idiots in here.
Speaker 1: They don't get it. But then we got smart people
Speaker 1: like this guy here, he goes, I mean NFL games
Speaker 1: do it every game. They even I D Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: And this guy says, they even I D Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: when she's in the stands. It's kind of an industry,
Speaker 1: and this industry standard even at the most amateur level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right speaking. That's why it's annoying that Mike perv excellent.
Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't have. You could not have been
Speaker 1: a bigger more hunt. That's what it says, Mike. Now
Speaker 1: you dirty. It was on a split screen, you know something.
Speaker 1: Never that was the most amazing moment in the history
Speaker 1: of this show. I get mad because, okay, how many
Speaker 1: brands are there in WWE?
Speaker 3: Three?
Speaker 1: Okay, so the two brands with the absolute biggest stars
Speaker 1: identify all the big stars, but the third brand with
Speaker 1: a bunch of nobody's nobody gets identified. It's like it's
Speaker 1: done on purpose. Here's the thing. It's either done on purpose,
Speaker 1: in which case they're idiots, or it's not done on purpose,
Speaker 1: in which case they're idiots. There's no option that is
Speaker 1: not they're idiots. Fix it.
Speaker 3: Look, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they need to have it to the degree of
Speaker 3: trick or any of that stuff. But when it comes
Speaker 3: to a lot of these people, because they are in
Speaker 3: and out so much and you're trying to establish a
Speaker 3: lot of these folks, yes you should do that. On
Speaker 3: top of the fact that it looks esthetically pleasing with
Speaker 3: the graphics that they've been using on Raw and SmackDown
Speaker 3: and some of that auto trickle down to NXT, and
Speaker 3: maybe it will when they hit the CW. I find
Speaker 3: it difficult to believe that they're going to continue to
Speaker 3: do this and risk alienating any possible viewers and risking
Speaker 3: you ranting about it every week.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why I have to explain this like
Speaker 1: I'm talking to children, Like somebody was like you expected
Speaker 1: to put thirteen graphics on the screen for all thirteen women. Brother,
Speaker 1: take a break, take a deep breath and think, Okay,
Speaker 1: all thirteen women were not talking. Okay, four of them did,
Speaker 1: so is it that hard to either a put a
Speaker 1: graphic on the screen when each of them are talking,
Speaker 1: or at the very least say the name of the
Speaker 1: person that you're talking to when a shanty the adonnis.
Speaker 1: You can't just say Christ here comes a shanty? Is
Speaker 1: it that hard? Or if you're not gonna say that,
Speaker 1: can you just put the guy's name on the screen.
Speaker 1: You ever watched like old Listen, Vince is an idiot,
Speaker 1: absolute idiot. Okay, but he knew some stuff. Clearly he
Speaker 1: built an empire and that was a decree. When you
Speaker 1: do your promo, you must say your name. I'm Jake
Speaker 1: the Snake Roberts here on the snake Pit, my guest tonight.
Speaker 1: I was watched it yesterday. Jake was interviewing the Honky
Speaker 1: talk Man, my guest tonight. He says, has the stupidest
Speaker 1: name I've ever heard of. I have never heard a
Speaker 1: name dumber than this name I bring to you. He says,
Speaker 1: the Honky Tonk Man, what a stupid name. The guy
Speaker 1: comes out, you have no like an idiot watching the
Speaker 1: show for the first time knows the guy's name is
Speaker 1: a Honky Tonk man. These NXT nerds, Uh, Let's throw
Speaker 1: Karmen Petrovitch on the screen, not identifier, have her do
Speaker 1: some verbal jousting with some dude we don't identify. You're
Speaker 1: watching the show going. Why do these two not like
Speaker 1: each other? What's going on here? Who are they? Who
Speaker 1: is this person? I'd like to know more about them,
Speaker 1: but I don't know who they are.
Speaker 3: Stupid or in a case like they did to us
Speaker 3: a while back, when they had six blondes on screen,
Speaker 3: several of them that you hadn't seen in quite some
Speaker 3: time or had been in and out of air, it
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well who are these people? Who are
Speaker 3: they all? And Brittley Reese is a great example of that.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of those folks. You throw a
Speaker 3: bunch of names on the screen right now, Can everybody
Speaker 3: that's a not a die hard viewer that may be
Speaker 3: listening to this show right now, can they identify everyone?
Speaker 1: There's no way. I doubt that's possible. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: forget about that. The fact is you want.
Speaker 3: To saturate everybody and drive it home and beat people
Speaker 3: over the head with it. And people talk about not
Speaker 3: liking that. It's an effective strategy, whether you're WWE or
Speaker 3: any other type of business. We talk about it with aew.
Speaker 3: They swerve a great example of a guy who goes
Speaker 3: out and does all of these things. He's on all
Speaker 3: of these podcasts, he's at this concert, he's hanging with
Speaker 3: this person, and we don't see it. It'll be online.
Speaker 1: But they don't beat people over the head with it.
Speaker 1: And some AW fans are happy about that. They don't
Speaker 1: want that style. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: it's more effective for AW as a company and as
Speaker 1: business that they do beat over the head with it.
Speaker 1: They do saturate everybody with it. You may not like it,
Speaker 1: you may not bite on it, but guess what, somebody
Speaker 1: that's tuning in may find out that he is doing
Speaker 1: all this stuff that they're not aware of. So again,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different situation, but the
Speaker 1: same sort of thing where sometimes you've got to put
Speaker 1: yourself in the viewer's position and not think that they
Speaker 1: know every little last thing about everything that's taking place.
Speaker 1: Just be professional, not in graphics identifying everybody as below
Speaker 1: public access level. That's what it is. Come on, all right,
Speaker 1: I need to move on. You know what else I'm
Speaker 1: mad about?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: All out is on Saturday?
Speaker 3: It is, but not at one o'clock.
Speaker 1: Dynamites tonight, and brother, we know three matches, we got
Speaker 1: one more added cents yesterday. Why is it so hard
Speaker 1: to have a card. Can someone explain this to me?
Speaker 1: We got three matches Okata versus Kyle Fletcher for the
Speaker 1: Continental title?
Speaker 3: How much do he want us to pay for this?
Speaker 1: Mariah May versus Nila Rose and Osprey Orange and Kyle
Speaker 1: versus Pot, Claudio and Wheeler non title. All we have
Speaker 1: announced for this show is MGF gonna be there, is
Speaker 1: Mercedes gonna be there, Britt Baker, Chris Jericho, Hangman, Page Swerve.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They've announced nothing. So I guess we'll
Speaker 1: find out.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get some stuff and give us fifty bucks
Speaker 3: over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ricochet is Shay there? I don't know he should
Speaker 1: be Why would he not?
Speaker 3: That would be unfortunate. Why would he not be there?
Speaker 3: But then again, why would you not? Why would you
Speaker 3: not advertise if he was going to be here?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm baffled, all right.
Speaker 1: Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming Netflix docu
Speaker 1: series on Vince. According to Brandon Thurston, the producers did
Speaker 1: reach out to Grant's team to interview her for the project,
Speaker 1: but were unable to secure her participation. Netflix's documentary group
Speaker 1: made an initial outreach to Janelle's representation for an interview
Speaker 1: for this project. A spokesperson for Grant said, despite this,
Speaker 1: no such interview came to fruition. I think the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is she probably was advised legally not
Speaker 1: to do it, right, Yeah, why why would I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that this was a thing until you said that,
Speaker 1: Because number one, why would she do it when there's
Speaker 1: ongoing litiga going on.
Speaker 3: Where's the benefit of this at all?
Speaker 1: To her?
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't see it. So I'm surprised that people are
Speaker 3: jumping up and down about it. But it's something seems
Speaker 3: like it's very simple, she declined. Because of everything that's
Speaker 3: going on right now.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine they're going to interview Vince and he's
Speaker 1: going to give his side of the story of the lawsuit. Well,
Speaker 1: same thing. He would be advised not to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Even if she was okay to go ahead and do that,
Speaker 3: Why would you want to do it on their forum
Speaker 3: when this whole thing is about Vince McMahon exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't know it's going to be edited, you don't
Speaker 1: know it's going to be clipped up. It would be
Speaker 1: foolish for her to give her a sight of the
Speaker 1: story on this lawsuit has been filed against AW, Kevin Kelly,
Speaker 1: and the Tate Twins. It took me a long time
Speaker 1: to figure out who.
Speaker 2: The Tate Twins were.
Speaker 3: Didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1: They are the boys. Kelly alleges defamation from Ian Ricabbonny
Speaker 1: and AW steming from Ricabonny making comments on a discord
Speaker 1: It channel regarding Kelly being involved in QA and on conspiracies.
Speaker 1: He is seeking monetary damages, claiming AW breached his contract.
Speaker 1: The situation has made it difficult for him to find
Speaker 1: work elsewhere. He was fired in March. Tay Twins were
Speaker 1: fired in April. Tony Khin stated publicly their releases were
Speaker 1: due to no showing events, which the brothers later attributed
Speaker 1: to a miscommunication between them and management after they were
Speaker 1: booked to fly out of a different airport than they
Speaker 1: normally use. The claim they know showed events is at
Speaker 1: the center of the defamation suit against Cohn and AW,
Speaker 1: requesting the court certify a class action suit against AW.
Speaker 1: Here we go over the company misclassifying its talent as
Speaker 1: independent contractors rather than employees. This comes up every few
Speaker 1: years and it never goes anywhere. But who knows, never
Speaker 1: know when you might get the right judge or the
Speaker 1: wrong judge, depending on whose side you're on.
Speaker 3: Well, the demanding a jury trial, that is one thing
Speaker 3: that they both sides were not both sides, but the
Speaker 3: Taits and Kevin Kelly are wanting. They're seeking in damages
Speaker 3: in excess of fifty thousand dollars, and aws Fire filed
Speaker 3: a motion to keep it under seal. A judge is
Speaker 3: going to have to determine if it's going to remain
Speaker 3: that way. You know that if you read I saw
Speaker 3: a redacted copy of the lawsuit, and the boys talk
Speaker 3: about wanting money owed to them, travel expenses and royalties
Speaker 3: that have been owed to them. They say they were
Speaker 3: wrongfully terminated due to budget cuts, and then Tony during
Speaker 3: the Supercard of Honor a couple of days later, both
Speaker 3: the pre and the post show scrums talked about the
Speaker 3: fact that it was because they know showed work and
Speaker 3: apparently they're claiming that they've been ridiculed for that and
Speaker 3: it's been detrimental to their careers as well too, saying
Speaker 3: that they've tried to go out and get fucked, but
Speaker 3: they haven't had a chance to Kevin Kelly obviously his
Speaker 3: case with Ian that that came up and and is
Speaker 3: suing him and trying to get monetary damages from him,
Speaker 3: saying that he was defamed and talks about going to
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Speaker 3: that aew blocked him from being able to work the
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Speaker 3: more to seemingly that's gonna come from this.
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Speaker 1: I got the show, Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: You know the thing with a defamation lawsuit. I'm no lawyer,
Speaker 1: but and if we have any lawyers, they can confirm
Speaker 1: or deny what.
Speaker 3: I'm about to say play one on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm not plain one. But what what I've heard is
Speaker 1: it's a little difficult with defamation because a Kevin Kelly
Speaker 1: is a public figure, and B he has to be
Speaker 1: able to prove that whatever was said about him, like
Speaker 1: Rick Abonnie knowingly knew that it was false and was
Speaker 1: actively trying to harm Kevin Kelly. And you know, given
Speaker 1: it was stated on a discord that if I recall,
Speaker 1: like Ric Abonnie didn't know was going to like go public.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's to be very difficult to
Speaker 1: prove that Rick Abonnie knew it was false, sat on
Speaker 1: the discord to harm Kevin Kelly, who is a public figure.
Speaker 3: Well, if I recall Corcy, I don't believe that he
Speaker 3: called Kevin Kelly a QAN non member. It says that
Speaker 3: he shared a movie shared by a you know, q
Speaker 3: Andon a lot of people that were QAnon conspiracy theorists
Speaker 3: and people that were associated with that really pushed the
Speaker 3: sound of Freedom movie and it said he remember hid
Speaker 3: him saying that it disappointed him. Again. Now again, you
Speaker 3: gotta be I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure
Speaker 3: how to parse all of that stuff out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did Ian lie knowingly to harm a public figure?
Speaker 1: And the public figure part is also hard because he's
Speaker 1: a public figure.
Speaker 3: And in the lawsuit it does state that online, you know,
Speaker 3: people have drawn the connection you know, and said that
Speaker 3: it was a q Andon movie, but then said that
Speaker 3: there was no connection between QAnon in the movie, that
Speaker 3: that's all been unproven and false. And I reached out
Speaker 3: to Ian and didn't get a response. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: I didn't reach out to aw Brian Solomon did. He
Speaker 3: did not get a response, reached out to Kevin Kelly.
Speaker 3: He pushed Brian to Stephn p New and I know
Speaker 3: that Brandon Thurston has reached out to AW with no
Speaker 3: comment yet on any of this stuff. And again, you know,
Speaker 3: did this prevent him from earning any other work? To me,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is if they stood in the way
Speaker 3: of him working the altogether show, then he's got a
Speaker 3: little piece of a complaint that then goes to what
Speaker 3: both they are claiming, which is we are employees, we
Speaker 3: are not independent contractors, and we.
Speaker 1: Have issues with this that in the third So again
Speaker 1: AW will find out. I'm sure they don't want this
Speaker 1: to go any further than it really is. You know, again,
Speaker 1: they filed a motion to keep everything under seal, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that this because they were contracts that they
Speaker 1: are if anything, would rather have this an arbitration because
Speaker 1: we see that with companies all the time, of all sizes,
Speaker 1: not the least of which has been WWE that wants
Speaker 1: to get the Janelle Grant situation to arbitration because it
Speaker 1: prevents a whole lot of possibly messy things from coming
Speaker 1: out and being public.
Speaker 3: And at the least it prevents some things that are
Speaker 3: in I'm sure that their private their employee handbook, all
Speaker 3: those sorts of things. I'm sure they want to keep
Speaker 3: under vests. So we'll see ultimately in the next couple
Speaker 3: of days and a couple of weeks here what ends
Speaker 3: up shaken out of this. But it's really it seems
Speaker 3: like an uphill battle to me, just personally, again being
Speaker 3: a layman, not really knowing. It just seems like it's
Speaker 3: a real uphill battle. And I've seen this fight with
Speaker 3: independent contractors employees for a long time. And if you
Speaker 3: want that to be the case, you have to unionize.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be a class action lawsuit that
Speaker 3: does it. It's going to be actually banding together and
Speaker 3: unionizing and getting support from other established unions. Otherwise this
Speaker 3: is never going to happen. I don't think it's ever
Speaker 3: gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, Cogan signed a new five year deal with the company.
Speaker 1: He said on Logan Paul's Impulsive podcast, five year deal, licensing, merchandising,
Speaker 1: ambassador stuff. If they need me to do something for Usselman,
Speaker 1: I just love doing it. It's definitely different. Did you
Speaker 1: see any the clips from this podcast?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, I never will. I hope.
Speaker 1: I was I was on I was on X and
Speaker 1: I was scrolling. And also there's Hogan and Logan Paul
Speaker 1: and this clip that I watched, and granted, you know,
Speaker 1: they take they take clips, they take like the best
Speaker 1: clips to put online or whatever, and and uh, like.
Speaker 3: The one you're gonna put up in my name later.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, dude, You're gonna split screen and
Speaker 1: you held it up and that's what it said. I
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with video. Now Hogan is talking
Speaker 1: to Logan Paul and he's putting him over. I've never
Speaker 1: seen somebody, you know, blah blah blah, it's the usual bs.
Speaker 1: And then I don't remember what he said, because like
Speaker 1: I was just in awe of what I was watching.
Speaker 1: But Hogan said something about how he oh God, can
Speaker 1: someone help me? What did he say? But the point
Speaker 1: is that he mentioned the terms work and shoot. He said,
Speaker 1: if this happens, is it a work or a shoot?
Speaker 1: And the question he asked, I gotta I will say this.
Speaker 1: I've not seen the Ben wal clip. This is a
Speaker 1: different clip, so I gotta say the first. Okay, Logan
Speaker 1: Paul sitting there behind the mic in this podcast, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What was up.
Speaker 1: He looked like at least three quarters of his brain
Speaker 1: had been removed. He's barely functioning. Okay, he's got this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't watch this show, but
Speaker 1: I'm watching this clip and I'm like, this guy's barely functioning.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what's going on. But then Hogan asks
Speaker 1: this question involving the terms work and shoot, and Logan
Speaker 1: is just like, and I will say, to be fair,
Speaker 1: I also had that exact same look on my face
Speaker 1: after Hogan asked this question. I was like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? I should have gone back to find out,
Speaker 1: but that was not the important thing. He just asked
Speaker 1: this question that makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3: He's like, he ask him like, what if when Harley
Speaker 3: Race came in and shot on me?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 3: What what was that?
Speaker 1: What was it? No? It was something like he goes.
Speaker 1: He goes, if if we have a match and you
Speaker 1: make five hundred dollars and I make five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: is that a work or a shoot? Like I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that was his question. And I was like, if
Speaker 1: he makes five hundred and you make, is that a what?
Speaker 1: I was like just absolutely confused, and Logan had to
Speaker 1: look on his face of absolute confusion. Okay. Then Logan goes,
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're saying, and so it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's okay at this point because I don't get it either.
Speaker 1: And then Hogan goes, if we have a match and
Speaker 1: you make five hundred and I make five thousand, is
Speaker 1: that a worker shoot? I'm still like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? But then Logan says, I don't understand what
Speaker 1: that means, like, I know what a work is, but
Speaker 1: what's a shoot? And Hogan does the Steve Austin thing
Speaker 1: from that one show where uh, what's what's her face?
Speaker 1: Made that comment about her favorite match being Alicia Fox
Speaker 1: or whatever. Hogan just like he all of a sudden
Speaker 1: becomes Terry Bolea. He's at a character and he just
Speaker 1: he turns and he looks at the camera like what
Speaker 1: and he goes, you don't know what a shoot is?
Speaker 1: And Logan goes no, and Logan's co host jumps in.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, Logan, he doesn't know what a shoot is,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't understand your question, and Logan goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know what a shoot is, and as part of
Speaker 1: goes no, no, no, Hogan, he knows what a shoot
Speaker 1: is and Logan's like, you're embarrassing me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is happening here?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 1: What is happening here? So I think he was serious
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what a shoot is. But I like,
Speaker 1: this was a ten second clip of this podcast. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't watch it, Like I can't, Okay, I just can't.
Speaker 1: But there's part of me that's like, I gotta watch
Speaker 1: this whole show. I have to watch it. But anyway, man, dude, what.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think he knows what a rib is.
Speaker 1: Probably well after that, oh god, well, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: do you remember the story about when Chris Candido was
Speaker 1: the NWA World Champion. He was dying to meet Luthez.
Speaker 1: So he finally meets Luthez and Sez. You know, they're
Speaker 1: talking back and forth and oh, you're the champion. This
Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety four or five or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: after Shane Douglas had already thrown it down and just
Speaker 1: gotta be careful, kid, when you're going out there, you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful. Yeah, watch out for the double Cross.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety four. Now we got it. But look we're
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, but three years later there was a
Speaker 1: double cross. Well but in twenty twenty four with boxing
Speaker 1: and with maybe they just the term shoot fighting, the
Speaker 1: term shoot. It's just maybe people don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like hooking. Like do you think how do you not
Speaker 1: know the term shoot in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four because he's not a wrestler.
Speaker 1: He is a wrestler. He's like, he's been in big
Speaker 1: time matches. He's traded, Yeah, but in what environment though,
Speaker 1: even if he hadn't done that, well, he's he's listened
Speaker 1: to a podcast in his lifetime.
Speaker 3: But maybe look if he's that again, I don't know
Speaker 3: how that dude's mind functions, and I don't want to.
Speaker 3: But like Pat McAfee when he was down there, you know,
Speaker 3: getting made fun of by Rep Rogers, I'm sure he
Speaker 3: knows what a shoot is. I know, I'm sure a
Speaker 3: lot of people, especially if they went through training or
Speaker 3: what you know, or of a certain age. But like
Speaker 3: if Bad Bunny or Logan Paul or like, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Surprised does anybody on the chat not know what a
Speaker 1: shoot is?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But look, is there one person just be honest, is
Speaker 1: there one person doesn't know what a shoot is. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what's a shoot. These ratings SmackDown two point
Speaker 1: zero five four million and a point five three eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine, down a little bit, and is their
Speaker 1: last Fox show on Friday. It's gonna do gigantic numbers.
Speaker 1: Romans there. Then they moved to USA and I'll be
Speaker 1: there next Friday to watch it rampage two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand viewers, second lowest total viewership in the history
Speaker 1: of the show. And that's against the show the win
Speaker 1: head head with the Olympics, So with no Olympic competition,
Speaker 1: this was a point oh seven.
Speaker 3: Welcome to football.
Speaker 1: That number sucks. And then I think we all knew
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen, but Brandon Thurston just posted the
Speaker 1: collision ratings. This was the collision that went head to
Speaker 1: head with actually didn't go head to head.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's bad, brother, dude.
Speaker 3: Well it didn't go head to head with.
Speaker 1: It didn't go ahead to head, but it was on
Speaker 1: AWE pay perview day.
Speaker 3: On the first weekend of college football.
Speaker 1: But I just realized it's actually this Friday where they're
Speaker 1: gonna die because they're going head They're going head to
Speaker 1: head with SmackDown on Friday night.
Speaker 3: It looks Saturday night, mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Collision did a he did to eighty nine Collision to
Speaker 1: eighty nine and a point one, the lowest in the
Speaker 1: history of Collision, and that includes all preemptions. There has
Speaker 1: never been an episode of Collision that did fewer viewers
Speaker 1: any day, anytime, any out of whatever, ever than the
Speaker 1: show on Saturday night, which was on a WWE pay
Speaker 1: perview day, which actually aired earlier in the morning, two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine thousand viewers in a point one.
Speaker 3: It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 1: So this is coming Friday head ed was Smackedown on five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this Saturday. You know, people will say, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, well it was head to head with SmackDown,
Speaker 3: move days and all that stuff. October fifth is that
Speaker 3: the day of the pay per view in Atlanta that
Speaker 3: is going to be an earlier pay per view star
Speaker 3: time for WWE. The same day that UFC is the
Speaker 3: same day that the both baseball Playoff League Division Series begins.
Speaker 8: On top of.
Speaker 1: College football, with a lot more rivalries going on, They're
Speaker 1: gonna get swamped, you know, unless something changes and I
Speaker 1: don't know what it can be right now. They just
Speaker 1: have to keep trudging through and hopefully get to the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year and start over. Brian Rose knows
Speaker 1: they didn't announce anything for Collision until the day before.
Speaker 1: It's like a broken record. Back in a moment, it
Speaker 1: was we're live.
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