Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate Berlan, I'm Jacqueline Novak.
Speaker 2: And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
Speaker 2: two obsessive friends.
Speaker 1: Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell.
Speaker 3: This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Speaker 4: Today's topics looselie speaking, straw woman, digital blood, not a rabbi.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is huge.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I think it might in
Speaker 1: the print.
Speaker 3: It's wrong in the print of Hollywood Reporter. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: this is breaking news. This is only breaking news if
Speaker 3: you've listened to four thousand episodes of Poog. But I
Speaker 3: was reacting because Jacqueline has a gorgeous shooting Hollywood Reporter.
Speaker 3: By the way, one of the photos I looked at
Speaker 3: and thought it was me. This one, Yeah, I looked.
Speaker 3: I looked at it quickly, and I was like, is
Speaker 3: that me? Sometimes we really do look like but uh,
Speaker 3: you look amazing. And the shoe were Marion Park or
Speaker 3: Maryon Park and you tagged them here. But I just
Speaker 3: heard the breaking news that Hollywood Reporter in print, they're
Speaker 3: going to say that they're why a cell, which is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what they do is I don't
Speaker 1: know how that happened.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not your fault, and you've tagged them. But
Speaker 3: I think it's actually kind of fun gossip for Mary
Speaker 3: in Park to be like, no, they're not why, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're merry in Park and you can work and at
Speaker 3: least online. Of course, online is where everyone. As we know,
Speaker 3: print media is almost largely dead. Not actually, but.
Speaker 4: Well, hello, okay, greetings, greetings, greetings, greetings.
Speaker 3: I sent you a picture of my lunch and you
Speaker 3: didn't respond.
Speaker 4: I was wildly trying to chop wash and you know,
Speaker 4: process this week's veggies because the new vegetable blocks from
Speaker 4: Misfits Market.
Speaker 1: Has arrived.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to.
Speaker 4: Go after them for partnership because they've become part of
Speaker 4: my household.
Speaker 3: It's exciting being becoming boxes.
Speaker 1: Down downstairs, huge boxes.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for the week. I of course now
Speaker 3: have a micro fix or macro fixation on macrobiotic. Obviously
Speaker 3: I'll never become macrobiotic, but I became friends with a
Speaker 3: man I have a new friendship in the sixties and
Speaker 3: he's been macrobiotic for thirty five years. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: made me an unbelievable me so but like a chunky
Speaker 3: me so STU Like.
Speaker 4: It was like, remember the origins of our friendship, like
Speaker 4: one of them food in my.
Speaker 3: Teas what by the way, I've seen videos of myself
Speaker 3: on the poog videos food and my teeth constantly, and
Speaker 3: I was the other day, No, I think there was
Speaker 3: more than one and I have I had this happen
Speaker 3: the other day where I was like and I I
Speaker 3: was saying this, I was like, has something changed with
Speaker 3: my teeth because I've been flossing so regularly the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, Like suddenly I get food my teeth more.
Speaker 4: Like you're going too hard with the flass, Like you're
Speaker 4: like the gums are receding.
Speaker 3: I don't think they are violent, but thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's though, Like somebody at HQ needs to look.
Speaker 3: Out for us for overflossing.
Speaker 4: No, people cannot, okay, you cannot rely on me to
Speaker 4: spot food in uh oh yeah in our teeth and
Speaker 4: our videos.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it's you. Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: crazy looking at our producer. It's not it's literally not
Speaker 1: her job.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I have to I have to throw
Speaker 3: it under the butt and check umaboshi plum thoughts what
Speaker 3: about them?
Speaker 4: Mmmm?
Speaker 3: I had this tea.
Speaker 1: But I want to remember what macrobiotic is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I know.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be clear. Obviously I'm not
Speaker 3: saying well, I'm pivoting to macrobiotic, of course not. But
Speaker 3: I'm just all I'm trying to say is I want
Speaker 3: to make soup.
Speaker 4: But in the way that last week you were like
Speaker 4: really trying to put a vegan crown on me, and
Speaker 4: I was like im plant basing it.
Speaker 1: And then I got a lot of comments foods plant based.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of comments and people saying I
Speaker 3: also am plant based and vegan does not. I don't
Speaker 3: feel like vegan does apply to me.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because like some people are like almost
Speaker 4: like so proud to not be almost like it's all right,
Speaker 4: let me just try to get it right once because
Speaker 4: it is killing me. It was like, it's like I
Speaker 4: would never dare two weeks into an exploration claim.
Speaker 1: You're saying, I do think it is a moral stance. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: must trust the listener.
Speaker 4: And then but whole foods, I feel like you haven't
Speaker 4: been hearing this whole foods plant based. No, I hear that, Okay,
Speaker 4: So I mean, but that's that's that's now here. Like
Speaker 4: last night, I had, you know, a pizza with a mariner,
Speaker 4: a pizza with no cheese, and like, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: not whole foods. It's processed that they're using flour. They're
Speaker 4: using flour, okay, But right now in the home, I mean, Kate,
Speaker 4: like I was about to drop some berries in a
Speaker 4: smoothie to try to get them down quick, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, eat it whole And that's not even
Speaker 4: that's not even what I mean by that whole thing,
Speaker 4: but separate issue, just the things that the alchemists done
Speaker 4: be coming in the kitchen. I've been freed, okay, because
Speaker 4: there's no pressure to be a chef because now that
Speaker 4: I'm a nutritarian, Okay, it's all about how many nutrients
Speaker 4: can I get in the bowl.
Speaker 3: I told you, I'm so happy. I'm really happy about you.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to be able to be eating rice and
Speaker 3: beans with you.
Speaker 1: I am you know how it's a slow move.
Speaker 4: So ill go if the air one thing and cost
Speaker 4: thirty nine dollars or whatever, and then I go, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm making it in a home twenties. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't my two smoothies or well you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean Chris whatever.
Speaker 1: But but but you know.
Speaker 4: That salad I was making, like the Baja cabbage, okay
Speaker 4: and whatever.
Speaker 1: Then I make it home slowly, it's moving right in
Speaker 1: the direction. Same with the beans. Okay. So I've advanced
Speaker 1: now to soaking my own dry beans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to soak them though you really
Speaker 3: don't have to. You can boil them, you can do
Speaker 3: just big pot. There's two communities. There's people that soak,
Speaker 3: people that don't.
Speaker 1: And and why do they soak?
Speaker 3: To make them more to just to make them softer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they say that, like that's bloat.
Speaker 3: Hmm. We'll find we'll discover that later. I have a
Speaker 3: new new hobby or what I miss, what I would
Speaker 3: like to create a new hobby. Well, I was radicalized
Speaker 3: yesterday because I was like, I am needing to really
Speaker 3: do an Instagram detox because I've been falling back into
Speaker 3: scrolling as we all do. But I had this kind
Speaker 3: of moment of awakening where I was like, yeah, oh
Speaker 3: my god, my life slipping away once again, you know,
Speaker 3: felt it and was like life is about learning and connecting.
Speaker 3: It's about connection and learning. That's all it's about. And
Speaker 3: I fucked myself, like every.
Speaker 1: Day scrolling is it's anti rest.
Speaker 3: First of all, we think of it as sometimes I go,
Speaker 3: I need done wind. It's anti rest whatever, and everyone
Speaker 3: I know, everyone, I'm sorry, everyone's heard me talk about
Speaker 3: this and whatever. But I'm thinking about getting really hardcore
Speaker 3: to Shabbot the Sabbath. Not actually I mean I mean yes,
Speaker 3: not in the sense of I'm actually going to be ok.
Speaker 3: I don't really know the prayers whatever, but I just
Speaker 3: mean Sabbath as a as a concept ritual. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well I'm reading that book of the Sabbath. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's probably what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like.
Speaker 1: I, I don't know where it's coming from. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, wait, but what is the.
Speaker 3: You would love it? Who's the guy Herschel? But he
Speaker 3: was like a mystic, kind of Jewish mystic in his
Speaker 3: whole thing the Sabbath Heschel. Thank you When I say Herschel,
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous, said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really poetic and gorgeous and it's very it's
Speaker 3: perfectly paired with you know, drinking tea and not being
Speaker 3: on your phone. You know, building a cathedral now, huh
Speaker 3: that's Buber, that's Martin Buber. But but his whole thing
Speaker 3: is building cathedrals and time. It's like, what the Sabbath is?
Speaker 3: It's cool? H yes, and he's like and he's like,
Speaker 3: hey everyone, well yeah, it's just the like rest is
Speaker 3: an art, and of course you need a fucking day
Speaker 3: where you don't work or talk about work, and light
Speaker 3: no fire and by light no fire. Not only actually,
Speaker 3: but you know, not instigating, you know, not grieving, not
Speaker 3: talking about, not not getting in fights. It's also a
Speaker 3: sin to be sad on the Sabbath.
Speaker 1: Mmm, you know no, I was just thinking how.
Speaker 3: On the tour it says that, uh, if even when
Speaker 3: human life is lost, then you can't do it. That
Speaker 3: doesn't even matter what the script, you know, like you
Speaker 3: abandon everything to protect human life. That the highest and
Speaker 3: the tour the most important thing of all is to
Speaker 3: protect human life. We're saying, but yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Gorgeous, well, you know, classically speaking, and a Frisco kid
Speaker 4: movie with Harrison Ford and.
Speaker 1: Jane I don't know.
Speaker 4: What's the Frisco kid? Just I panicked, Wait, hold on
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say? Yeah, Jean Wilder, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: Gene of course should or know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's this movie and it's very important in
Speaker 1: my household. My mother loves it.
Speaker 4: And there's a dynamic where it's sort of a joke
Speaker 4: that my parents are like them, Jean Wilder and Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1: My mother's Jean.
Speaker 4: Wilder, okay, And he plays a rabbi and and he's
Speaker 4: trying to make it to a town where he's going
Speaker 4: to be the new rabbi out west, and he pairs
Speaker 4: up with this cowboy and they go on a journey.
Speaker 4: It's fantastic, okay, But there's a part where the torah
Speaker 4: gets like thrown in a fire and there's like this
Speaker 4: shootout or something, and Jean Wilder's like running like to
Speaker 4: get like no, you know, to get and he realizes
Speaker 4: like after that he basically like kind of risked Harrison's
Speaker 4: Ford's life. And so then they're they're they're at a
Speaker 4: restaurant or a solution or whatever. I'm sitting there and
Speaker 4: he's just he's so ashamed because he realizes.
Speaker 1: What he's done.
Speaker 3: Ultimate box for me to kill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, he's like, so it's him and Harrison,
Speaker 4: and he's like, my friend, you know, like I chose
Speaker 4: the book essentially over my friend. And so he's going
Speaker 4: over and over. You're going going, I am not a rabbi. Okay,
Speaker 4: Like I'm no rabbi kind of mine, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not a rabbit. I'm not a rabbi, you know, And
Speaker 4: like Harrison Ford's like, you're a rabbi.
Speaker 1: You're a rabbi. You're like, okay. He's like, I'm a cheat,
Speaker 1: I'm a horrormonger, and you are a rabbi.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, amazing, And.
Speaker 4: He like throws across the bread I'm getting wrong, which
Speaker 4: was you know, it's a sin in my household.
Speaker 3: But if you haven't seen The Frisco Kid, it sounds great.
Speaker 3: We gotta do it. It's read the Sabbath and watch
Speaker 3: the Frisco Kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've been having this thing again due to you know,
Speaker 3: chronic anxiety or whatever or just a lot of anxiety,
Speaker 3: and then also the phone and everyone talks about this.
Speaker 3: I can't focus, but even watching a movie, why is it?
Speaker 3: Why is it? Why is it easier to watch a
Speaker 3: bad movie, like, for example, Doroy luck Club was on
Speaker 3: the plane and I but then I also felt like,
Speaker 3: oh am, I gonna be able to watch the whole
Speaker 3: thing in a real way right now on this flight,
Speaker 3: you know, like I wanted to save it for like
Speaker 3: respectful viewing. Yeah, so I started watching the Psychedelic Sydney
Speaker 3: Sweeney movie anything, But you haven't seen it's like, that's
Speaker 3: what it is. There's no words, and I haven't finished it.
Speaker 3: I have to watch it because I was I is it?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say it's something. It's not respectful viewing, Like, yes,
Speaker 4: it would be a movie. If I'm on the side,
Speaker 4: what is it like? A movie or a film?
Speaker 3: It would call itself a film, or it would call
Speaker 3: itself a movie.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, it's not aiming for Oscar new you
Speaker 4: know what I'm great?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean I literally know nothing about it.
Speaker 3: Ye, yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: I was imagining a Poog screening where you know, a
Speaker 4: variety of things, but we stop it throughout whenever we
Speaker 4: feel like it, We pause and talk and it goes on.
Speaker 3: First, I texted you and you actually didn't respond, which
Speaker 3: is fine.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I responded by thinking about it, and this is my
Speaker 1: respect because.
Speaker 3: I texted Jack and said, because we've been getting some
Speaker 3: really sweet dams from hag saying it's the tenure Interstellar.
Speaker 3: I did an anniversary yeah, and so I was like, we
Speaker 3: should host an Interstellar screening.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: I also but you when I watched last night, imagine
Speaker 3: this last night making it a grony for myself and
Speaker 3: my partner from a from an orange tree plucked from
Speaker 3: the backyard. It's the peal made a coconut vanilla coconut
Speaker 3: ice cream with melted Lily's chocolate shell on top. Lily's
Speaker 3: melts really well, a freaking Drew Martin lavender joint. Two
Speaker 3: hits and you're good. Really maybe four the cough Yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of a deep coughed fun before gotta have a
Speaker 3: little fun in summertime. Turning on Annihilation, the film right
Speaker 3: which I hadn't seen really having fun. I Annihilation also
Speaker 3: again popular film that was not popular that was panned.
Speaker 3: I believe across the board that contains huge themes and
Speaker 3: it's a novel which I want to read. But if
Speaker 3: it's about grief and it's about yeah, that every nothing
Speaker 3: dies transform.
Speaker 4: Camp as like I can't remember it, like I can
Speaker 4: see a deer in my head like or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Guinia Rodriguez giving a fucking amazing performance, by the way,
Speaker 3: Natalie Portman, Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah, there's a Thompson's in it,
Speaker 3: and you know what it also is. It's like, oh
Speaker 3: when cg I or when when affects age.
Speaker 1: This is why practical is the only things actually.
Speaker 3: And there is there's some cool practical stuff in it,
Speaker 3: but there there are some effects. You're like, fuck, doesn't
Speaker 3: giving anything away, but there is a monster that's genuinely
Speaker 3: terrifying in a cool way.
Speaker 4: Blood right now is suffering on TV from being digital,
Speaker 4: and so so it's like, you know, guy's head like
Speaker 4: you know, hits a wall or like it's usually the
Speaker 4: bleeding out like you know, down on the ground, right
Speaker 4: and then you know when the pool of blood forms
Speaker 4: behind the head and you realize, like you know, you're
Speaker 4: waiting to see if they're injured, and then the pool
Speaker 4: of blood comes.
Speaker 3: There's something profound about the constant digital blood that would
Speaker 3: be if I were, if I were smart, Yeah, if
Speaker 3: I were in grad school writing about contemporary longing in
Speaker 3: the age of digital media. Yeah, it would be called
Speaker 3: digital blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well it's a good it's a good title too, It's
Speaker 4: a good book title. When blood becomes digital Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: digital blow is better, definitely, and then and then no, right,
Speaker 4: and then under it when blood becomes digital.
Speaker 1: Is funny because like like deeply redundant, but like digital blood.
Speaker 1: And then under it, under it is like is like
Speaker 1: I'm just I have to play this out.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm having the classic poog self protective urge to say, hey,
Speaker 3: anyone from the team of anyone, but you was considering
Speaker 3: my description of the film as somehow degrading. Please know
Speaker 3: I'd love to be in the next film. We have
Speaker 3: a mass contraction in the industry. Oh god, and making movies.
Speaker 3: I want to be clear, and I fucking mean this sincerely.
Speaker 3: Making movies is so hard. It's so hard to do
Speaker 3: it at all. Is a triumph.
Speaker 1: Yeah. First of all, you did not articulate anything negative.
Speaker 4: And you know I don't allow for dissing actors on
Speaker 4: of course, don't support it.
Speaker 3: Of course, by the way I think Sidney Sweeney's.
Speaker 4: Is Oh, I just mean in general, you're always safe
Speaker 4: because she is and and because you know I imagine
Speaker 4: if an actor was listening and you should like they
Speaker 4: feel safe, they turn to poog as an escape, which.
Speaker 1: Is what it should be.
Speaker 3: My whole life work is about actors. Yeah wait, wait,
Speaker 3: but I want to make make do brought them. I
Speaker 3: want to get combo. I'm going to start doing unpasteurized.
Speaker 1: Considering you know what. You know what I'm considering what? Well?
Speaker 4: No, okay, I was watching this nutritionist interview another nutritionists,
Speaker 4: both both of them wearing whoops.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to be clear. I know you can.
Speaker 1: I need you to realize I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I would say not as a marketing brain. You literally
Speaker 3: should stop plugging them so much. If you want the
Speaker 3: full you know what, I mean, to give you a
Speaker 3: taste of your own medicine. I think you're going too hard.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want a partnership or something, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because you've mentioned it, you mentioned it almost every app.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I'm trying to get you on.
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen unless they come up with life changing cash.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll pull back. I mean, but there's profit
Speaker 1: to be had.
Speaker 3: For sure, But let me have them. Let's go out
Speaker 3: to sea first, because it can't be every app you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine.
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's particular to the whoop because
Speaker 4: like you hate the Whoop. I'm never irritated by my
Speaker 4: like continually come up when it's like a life changing
Speaker 4: device for me that like like people have.
Speaker 1: Reached out and said it changed my life too.
Speaker 4: So it's sort of like just like you're just like
Speaker 4: not interested, do you know what I mean? Like, and
Speaker 4: so you're like using my own medicine against me, like you.
Speaker 3: It would be one thing that this was the second
Speaker 3: time you've talked about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's true, fine, I haven't felt like
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Well, we haven't done huge interludes every year. I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to suggest that's the case.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I don't even remember whatever. It's fine,
Speaker 4: I just I won't bring it up. I'll just bring
Speaker 4: the whoop affiliate. I mean, but wait, what are you
Speaker 4: gonna say about the Whoop that I'm watching these two
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm watching these two nutritionists, one interview the
Speaker 4: other one.
Speaker 1: They're both wearing whoops. I hold mine up in a salute.
Speaker 4: Okay, they're not even talking about it. It's just they're
Speaker 4: not just there, okay and whatever. But but the reason
Speaker 4: I brought them up is because one of them, this guy,
Speaker 4: and I can't remember his name right now, but his
Speaker 4: book is called The Proof Is in the Plants. Anyway,
Speaker 4: he said, komba in the in the store is bullshit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it doesn't shock me.
Speaker 4: I mean it's however, you're ready, like, like, you know,
Speaker 4: the bacteria is dead, okay, if it's been you know,
Speaker 4: if it's been stabilized. Yeah, yeah, okay, now this was great,
Speaker 4: I go. But there have been some studies dead bacteria
Speaker 4: might have some benefits, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: I guess some of the other ones. You eat it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's disgusting, but move on from it. But the
Speaker 4: point is, if you want to do kombucha, I think
Speaker 4: you have to. I don't want to do home, which
Speaker 4: is literal hell.
Speaker 3: You said kambo oh kambo honey, kambu seaweed, sweetheart, I
Speaker 3: didn't combo to a to a literally thought pot of
Speaker 3: beans like, I'm sorry. Instead of well, going along with
Speaker 3: what I hope to be my new life, which is
Speaker 3: gardening because I have a couple of raised garden beds.
Speaker 3: They figuring it out, wanted to be doing stuff raised
Speaker 3: garden bed compost. The fucking moral superiority I feel because
Speaker 3: I'm letting my grass die. And I have a compost bin.
Speaker 3: It's like through the roof.
Speaker 4: Okay we First of all, I have one from goldun
Speaker 4: but they disbanded. But there are some compost bins, not
Speaker 4: exactly in my apartment's own thing, but not far. And
Speaker 4: but then Chris and I went and looked inside it.
Speaker 4: Pizza box.
Speaker 3: I think that's technically okay because it's paper that makes sense, cardboard,
Speaker 3: solid cardboard. Yeah, yeah, you serious.
Speaker 4: I mean I think he saw some other trash in
Speaker 4: there too. It didn't feel like the person was nailing it.
Speaker 4: But you didn't see a single banana peeling.
Speaker 3: Having And listen, you know, you know teach, you know
Speaker 3: a company that I have paid through the nose for that.
Speaker 3: I'm like a simple human ambassador because I love simple human.
Speaker 1: Trash, I know.
Speaker 3: And I used to go, oh it's too you know,
Speaker 3: it looks too sterile. Oh sure, like, oh well guess
Speaker 3: what they make incredible products. And I have the compost
Speaker 3: caddy that's sitting on the cat on the top, and
Speaker 3: there I am Chop Chop Chop Food's going in there.
Speaker 1: I feel like they feed it to your ear lawn.
Speaker 3: Even crazier, we have a worm compost thing that we
Speaker 3: haven't like started yet. We have to feed the worms
Speaker 3: and get the worms or whatever. Okay, but the but
Speaker 3: we have a worm literal in the ground compost thing. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. I mean, I was at home depot today.
Speaker 3: Looks like I'm day Yeah. Yeah, yeah, camel pants at
Speaker 3: home depot. Yeah, like their home depot is incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I live as a heterosexual,
Speaker 4: but home Depot is really really important. Maybe I you know,
Speaker 4: maybe that's by the way I was at home deep
Speaker 4: But I don't mean to you know, it's not it's
Speaker 4: not flattering to bring up stories of being recognized in public.
Speaker 3: But I will say home depot today.
Speaker 1: Blast.
Speaker 3: And I was at home Deepot today and I'm walking
Speaker 3: with this big thing that I'm carrying right to the car,
Speaker 3: and I see this guy what I would describe very
Speaker 3: like normal looking. Maybe this is what I like, white
Speaker 3: guy in his maybe early fifties. Now I'm horrified he
Speaker 3: listens to this and he's much younger. There's no way.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's like fucking twenties.
Speaker 4: There was a man.
Speaker 3: Why why talk about the form at all? Because we're alive.
Speaker 4: I didn't ask that, did I? But thanks for turning
Speaker 4: me into a straw woman. Okay, Okay, he's directing me
Speaker 4: and then slicing me across the hip. Okay, so genius, Okay,
Speaker 4: why no, I.
Speaker 3: What are we gonna say?
Speaker 4: It's simply to be described. I understand anyway. You know
Speaker 4: who was Let me just say what it was.
Speaker 3: I'm walking carrying this heavy thing into the parking lot
Speaker 3: and this guy with kind of like a buzz kind
Speaker 3: of short haircut like just was like excuse, like, oh,
Speaker 3: excuse me or something. And my first instinct was like what, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, I had almost this like which I don't
Speaker 3: walk around with, like I actually believe that most people
Speaker 3: are good and whatever, but I or I know that's
Speaker 3: I'm actually being. I think I'm over. I think in
Speaker 3: the story, I'm swinging more in that right so that
Speaker 3: it becomes more stark the right, the reversal. But but
Speaker 3: but basically I was like, what could he possibly be
Speaker 3: asking me? Because whatever, he just was like I have
Speaker 3: seen you live, I enjoy your comedy, and I follow
Speaker 3: you on Twitter. I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: was like, follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 3: so sweet. He was like, yeah, you're really funny. You
Speaker 3: know what's funny. He didn't say that. He didn't say
Speaker 3: you're really funny. Don't imagine me. I'm just like do it.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 3: But but it was really sweet. I was like, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Imagine that the sun high in this guy me at
Speaker 3: home depot sweating buying the Pure Lift. Every week. I
Speaker 3: get more scared every week. I hope they're gonna send
Speaker 3: send us a Pure Life.
Speaker 4: I meant to be nearing right now. By the way,
Speaker 4: have you noticed near has arrived? Oh yeah, I was
Speaker 4: considering an unboxing.
Speaker 3: But thank you t Nira for sending their laser wrinkle
Speaker 3: reduction device.
Speaker 1: And that's the one that you know. They were cute though.
Speaker 1: They said something like if it hurts too much, like
Speaker 1: go on a lower setting because you know, I was
Speaker 1: like talking, we were talking on the podlast.
Speaker 3: Once hit screen, you know yeah, and.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, they're not probably thrilled to have
Speaker 1: that out there.
Speaker 3: Well, I need to get a silk pillowcase because I sleep.
Speaker 3: I know I've talked about this, but I cannot give
Speaker 3: up stomach, sleeping, the face smash into the pillow. It
Speaker 3: just makes me feel so good. But I think I
Speaker 3: need to be like you know, Nicole Kimman, as we know,
Speaker 3: sleeps only on her back.
Speaker 4: Well, if you're in your stomach, how do you Your neck
Speaker 4: can't be in a good position. I know. Is the
Speaker 4: classic necka is owl style just to the side right now.
Speaker 4: Obviously I don't see the face sounded no, right, but
Speaker 4: the owl the crank is the thing. But my concern
Speaker 4: for you is that is up on a pillow, up
Speaker 4: on a pillow, your face, because like just consider it
Speaker 4: first straight down and then okay here, yay, right up,
Speaker 4: okay to me clear. I mean it's like a night
Speaker 4: where it's like how it's like how someone kills someone
Speaker 4: in a movie, like yeah.
Speaker 1: The two directional. I just think, but you have no
Speaker 1: neck pain, so.
Speaker 3: No, I think I'm okay.
Speaker 4: I've been sweating in my sheets like a hound and
Speaker 4: I want to sleep.
Speaker 1: Eight Have you've seen it.
Speaker 4: It's like this temperature controlled thing that adjusts to what
Speaker 4: your body temperature is. It like adjusts to it throughout
Speaker 4: the night. It takes your temperature.
Speaker 3: What's in the bed a cooling system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, heating and cooling.
Speaker 4: And then they've got all these tennis players like and
Speaker 4: they're like, up your sleep game, you know.
Speaker 3: But well, by the way, but someone told me.
Speaker 1: About actually someone uses it and loves it. I saw, Wow,
Speaker 1: you saw what I mean?
Speaker 4: I saw I allow the smile on a young woman's face
Speaker 4: describing how it's the best thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 1: Ear sleep, and they guarantee one hour more of.
Speaker 4: REM not REM but the other one because you know
Speaker 4: the other ONEATA or I forget ever. But maybe they
Speaker 4: just say quality or something like that, but I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure it's like, I mean, sorry to bring up my
Speaker 4: whoop again, but I see exactly. Yeah, Okay, how much
Speaker 4: is light sleep, how much is m how much is deep?
Speaker 1: And when it's happening? Okay, so I can track the
Speaker 1: entire cycle.
Speaker 3: How does it help you maximize sleep? Truly asking?
Speaker 4: So you know, it's interesting you ask because the other
Speaker 4: night I was like, Chris was like, what time sit
Speaker 4: the alarm?
Speaker 1: I need to consult my whoop whoop? Okay, and he's
Speaker 1: like it's just he's like because.
Speaker 4: He's like, well, you need to get up at eight regardless,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like like whatever time it
Speaker 4: was that I had to get up. He's like, so
Speaker 4: what is relevant about checking the whoop? He's like, it's
Speaker 4: going to tell you get eight hours and you're not
Speaker 4: getting eight hours. It's one am right now, right, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, actually, it doesn't tell me I need eight
Speaker 4: hours every time?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Actually what it does is say, do you want to
Speaker 4: perform tomorrow? Do you want to get by tomorrow, or
Speaker 4: do you want to peek okay, and then you click
Speaker 4: through those options and you see and it gives you
Speaker 4: suggested time. So if so, I'm usually not really asleep
Speaker 4: till like twelve thirty ish or something right like yeah, let's.
Speaker 3: Say so midnight, that's probably where I am.
Speaker 4: So sometimes it so it'll be like twelve, and it'll
Speaker 4: like it won't now if I want eight hours and
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to get up at you know whatever, it
Speaker 4: shows me exactly the thing what will be in the red,
Speaker 4: what will not, And then it'll be like it'll tell me,
Speaker 4: like go to bed at one oh five, because it
Speaker 4: actually is also valuing what my the time I went
Speaker 4: to bed. A big thing for it is sleep regularity,
Speaker 4: Like they show you how off you are, Like in
Speaker 4: terms of when you slept each night, and ideally you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, midnight to eight or you're eleven to seven
Speaker 4: or whatever whatever, your thing is right and it shows you.
Speaker 1: And so it's like encouraging me, like.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, don't go to veget Usually you would
Speaker 4: go to bed at one almost, So it's doing a
Speaker 4: little bit of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's crazy, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Lying there and I'm going all right, and it's made
Speaker 4: me go, oh my god, like it's too late if
Speaker 4: I'm going to get up and go to my workout.
Speaker 4: Am I being realistic about the benefits versus the effects?
Speaker 1: Like two am? And I'm going I'm going to be
Speaker 1: in the red tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Like so anyway, it says what your sleep debt is, okay,
Speaker 4: and oh you you know, if you get bed a
Speaker 4: little earlier night or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, da da da, here's your sleep debt whatever.
Speaker 4: It's it's really specific, and it's it's not just you know,
Speaker 4: it's measuring shit, and it's measuring it's my friend, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's one of my
Speaker 4: my robot friends that I have, including my therapist, my
Speaker 4: CBT therapist, an AI therapist.
Speaker 3: Wait oh, no, what do you mean, don't get a
Speaker 3: real one. I'm completely and.
Speaker 1: I'll do that too.
Speaker 4: Therapy, Well, I'm joking, okay, I'm being I'm being inflammatory
Speaker 4: again on purpose. But there's a cognitive behavioral therapy app
Speaker 4: that is chat style and it is trained in cognitive
Speaker 4: behavior therapy, so it can go, well, let's identify the
Speaker 4: cognitive error, you know, and whatever. And it's almost to
Speaker 4: me like a journal, like it drags me through the
Speaker 4: equivalent of journaling what's wrong?
Speaker 1: You hate me? You hate no?
Speaker 3: No, we hate AI? I hate AI. I saw an
Speaker 3: ad for AI. It was like, I'm sure we've all
Speaker 3: seen it because I got a TV so yeah, and
Speaker 3: it was like, how do It's like a it's like
Speaker 3: a little ad about how don't be afraid of AI
Speaker 3: and how to use it, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you can. I mean, it just ultimately sounds makes me
Speaker 3: sound elderly. Then I'm like at this point chiming in
Speaker 3: and being like, hey, I'm good's dark, you know. It's
Speaker 3: like we know, but it's like, right, well, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's like you know, because you can now say, hey,
Speaker 3: how do I roast a chicken or whatever? Right, You're like, okay, sure,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like an extrapolation of the Internet that
Speaker 3: we already have, right, you know, I have this, this
Speaker 3: and this what should I make for dinner? But that
Speaker 3: I didn't realize because I had a friend kind of
Speaker 3: keep me. It's just going to replace this entirely. There's
Speaker 3: nothing we can do anyway, And of course not actually,
Speaker 3: but it is over, and it's gonna be insane. Next
Speaker 3: ten years are gonna be absolutely insane, that's all. And
Speaker 3: it's it's so fucking over. It's a joke.
Speaker 1: And and do you mean I hardly.
Speaker 3: Know anything the art as usual? No, the arts. No,
Speaker 3: it's of course we're always gonna need human.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean that's like to me, that's like whatever
Speaker 4: the thing is like, but like it's it's it's it's
Speaker 4: it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Live more valuable than ever.
Speaker 3: But no, no, I mean, hell, I'm clinging to that
Speaker 3: for dear life. And I do also believe that people
Speaker 3: are always gonna want people are going to be able
Speaker 3: to actually know. I was gonna say, people all tell
Speaker 3: the difference, not really sometimes, but I mean, have you
Speaker 3: ever had have you liked typed? I just recently typed
Speaker 3: into chat JBAT what is it called GBT.
Speaker 1: I struggle with It's.
Speaker 3: It's like, have you done that, like tried to have
Speaker 3: it write something for you?
Speaker 4: No, but I've I've done all manner of AI stuff
Speaker 4: in these other various like apps. So now there's like
Speaker 4: an AI function in almost every new piece of software
Speaker 4: that I download Oka and I download software check one. Okay,
Speaker 4: So I'm like downloading these document management kind of apps
Speaker 4: or these you know, writing apps that are like you know,
Speaker 4: like Scrivener. Okay, they don't actually have anything AI, and
Speaker 4: I don't think, but always trying to manage all the
Speaker 4: words and have everything be tagged and searchable and you know,
Speaker 4: all the writing and whatever and all these different ones
Speaker 4: they have a lot of highlight the thing, and then
Speaker 4: there's a little assistant and it says like you know,
Speaker 4: and you can have it do something. So I'll do
Speaker 4: like I have fully, you know, I've had these moments
Speaker 4: of like okay, guy is gonna save me, Like it's
Speaker 4: gonna save me, Like okay, like here is thirty pages
Speaker 4: like tell me like what I say and what I say,
Speaker 4: and then it summarizes like and sometimes it'll be like yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm like I did communicate enough that the robot understood. Well,
Speaker 4: here's an interesting thing. I've played with it, like, are
Speaker 4: you trying something? I'm trying to not keep eating going
Speaker 4: while you're doing it. I get why you want that.
Speaker 4: You want the steady stream of my voice flowing into
Speaker 4: your ear?
Speaker 1: Okay, but.
Speaker 3: Okay. Podcast between two best friends discussing wellness, am beuity
Speaker 3: through a comedic lens that is also existential at times?
Speaker 1: Wait? Did you just compose that because it's just familiar?
Speaker 3: No, I just wrote that.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Here could the title laugh Lines Beauty, Wellness and the
Speaker 3: Meaning of Mescara? Host one, Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 3: of laugh Lines.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, this is, by the way, send me the scriptat.
Speaker 3: Laughlines. Is it came up with that?
Speaker 4: That is?
Speaker 3: By that you could pitch that? Okay, wait, let me
Speaker 3: drop into where's the chat? Okay, here, I'll start. Wait, wait,
Speaker 3: but where is it? It's in text?
Speaker 4: Oh? Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, okay, all right,
Speaker 4: all right, all right, Welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 4: laugh Lines, where we explore duty, wellness, and the cosmos
Speaker 4: to the lens of two best friends who are just
Speaker 4: trying to figure.
Speaker 3: It all out.
Speaker 4: That's right, I'm Jacqueline and I'm Kate, and today we're
Speaker 4: diving deep into the existential crisis that comes with choosing
Speaker 4: the perfect shade of lipstick.
Speaker 3: Oh, the struggle.
Speaker 1: No, No, let's doing it not in the cheese voice.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's try to force it into Okay, great, our
Speaker 4: actual conversational voice without changing any words.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to go into my life that
Speaker 3: comes after that. Yeah, Oh, the struggle is real. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a whole universe of options out there, and each
Speaker 3: one comes with its own philosophical implications.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's like, do I go for the bull rett
Speaker 1: and you know, embrace my inner warrior or I stick
Speaker 1: with a subtle pink and channel my zen vibes.
Speaker 3: Too, but still can't Bringing in safe still doesn't work.
Speaker 3: And let's not forget the skincare betwine that takes longer
Speaker 3: than a Netflix series to finish.
Speaker 4: Oh, don't get me started on that. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: like a nightly ritual of hope and mofstreizer.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate that.
Speaker 3: Speaking of rituals, have you tried the new face mask?
Speaker 3: The promises to make you look ten years younger?
Speaker 1: Ten years younger. I'll take two please.
Speaker 3: But seriously, isn't it fascinating how our pursuit of beauty
Speaker 3: and wellness intersects with our deeper questions about existence?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, like what does it mean to glow from within?
Speaker 4: And how many green smoothies does it take to achieve enlightenment?
Speaker 3: And let's not forget the existential dread that sets in
Speaker 3: when you realize you forgot to wear sunscreen.
Speaker 4: Oh, the struggle is real, but hey, at least run
Speaker 4: it together, navigating this maze of face serums and face palms.
Speaker 3: That's right, because the end of the day, whether we're
Speaker 3: pondering the meaning of life or the best contry and techniques,
Speaker 3: laughter is always the best highlighter. Preach sister, thanks for
Speaker 3: tuning in to another episode of laugh Lines. Join us
Speaker 3: next time as we continue our quest for beauty, wellness,
Speaker 3: and the occasional existential crisis.
Speaker 4: Until then, remember, stay fabulous, stay curious, and always remember
Speaker 4: to blend your foundation down your neck.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
Speaker 3: I mean that's insane. So but the problem with that,
Speaker 3: that's no, Let me adjust it. What do you want
Speaker 3: to tell them?
Speaker 1: That's it? They?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's give it direct notes.
Speaker 1: Let me hear your what was your original.
Speaker 3: Prompt a podcast between two best friends discussing wellness and
Speaker 3: beauty through comedic lens that is also exis potential at times.
Speaker 4: Right, so like a podcast that is sort of confusing
Speaker 4: because it's like, is this so like.
Speaker 3: How do you more conversational?
Speaker 1: I know what it's going to do?
Speaker 3: Include references to the great thinkers?
Speaker 1: How about like and look how fast? Don't hear?
Speaker 4: We use?
Speaker 3: We got the new one?
Speaker 1: All right, send it.
Speaker 3: This one is called Beauty, Wellness and Philosophical BFFs. Wait,
Speaker 3: hang on, hand on Okay, sorry, got it? Go so fast,
Speaker 3: it's already done.
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, well that yeah, yeah, there's something really interesting
Speaker 4: about realizing that it doesn't require elapsement in time.
Speaker 3: Okay, hey there, welcome back to another episode of Beauty,
Speaker 3: Wellness and Philosophical BFFs. I mean, that's a bad title,
Speaker 3: but I'm Kate.
Speaker 4: And I'm Jacqueline. You're a partner in existential beauty crises.
Speaker 4: Today we're diving into the deep end of skincare and
Speaker 4: the meaning of life.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because what better way to ponder the universe than
Speaker 3: while applying sheet mask?
Speaker 1: You know it? I mean Socrates might have said no thyself,
Speaker 1: but I think he'd agree that glow thyself is just
Speaker 1: as important.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could literally sell this to a shady
Speaker 3: company for fourteen million dollars. I know, all right, keep
Speaker 3: it going totally, and to Kart. I think therefore I
Speaker 3: am glowing exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he never had to decide between I
Speaker 4: cream and more sleep.
Speaker 3: And don't get me started on Nietzsche. What doesn't kill
Speaker 3: you makes you stronger? But does it also make you
Speaker 3: more radiant? Nietzsche said, what doesn't.
Speaker 1: Kill you make a stronger question?
Speaker 4: I know, sorry, I think so, but like not not
Speaker 4: actually okay, it was I think it was contextual. He
Speaker 4: was trying to actually come down to those phrase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that phrase. I think he'd approve of our quest
Speaker 1: for the perfect shade of lipstick, though.
Speaker 3: Okay, for sure, it's all about embracing the inner uber
Speaker 3: mensh one lip liner at a time.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget Kureker Guard.
Speaker 4: Sometimes deciding on a facewash feels like making an ex
Speaker 4: essential leap of faith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so this one sucks more, but absolutely to Foremer,
Speaker 3: not to film, that's the question.
Speaker 4: And cam I mean, this is like you're giving him
Speaker 4: a Camu. The absurdity of life is matched only by
Speaker 4: the absidity of try trying to blend conjuring. I mean
Speaker 4: this is like the worst demgation of AI we've seen.
Speaker 3: No, that's bad.
Speaker 1: I just mean, like it's kind of interesting. Like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 3: I just said, I just said, make it fun I.
Speaker 1: Mean, doesn't GBT thy'll have like real ship in there,
Speaker 1: Like back to you could write, like, wait, what.
Speaker 3: Laugh lines is genius? I said make it funnier, and
Speaker 3: they came back with something that's anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean I think.
Speaker 4: Like, well, for one, I think jud GBT you can
Speaker 4: write in like write Caperlin and Jacqueline okay, like doing whatever, I.
Speaker 1: Know, discuss whatever.
Speaker 3: So I'm even more amateur.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little afraid, like generate.
Speaker 3: A dialogue dialogue between between Poop Pop Jacqueline Novac on
Speaker 3: there between Pooh Poo.
Speaker 4: Discussing Let's give it a topic, Yeah, great, Interstellar.
Speaker 3: Discussing the film Interstellar.
Speaker 4: And don't react until let me see it so we
Speaker 4: can react together.
Speaker 3: Don't Okay, Okay, I'm not. I'm just copying it. It's
Speaker 3: going fast. Okay, here we go, let's read it live raw.
Speaker 1: You gotta send it to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, hello, and welcome back to Pooh, your source for
Speaker 3: all things existential and unexpectedly hilarious.
Speaker 4: I'm Kate Berlant, and I'm Jacqueline Novak, your residents skeptic
Speaker 4: turned philosopher skincare. Today we're diving into the cosmic depths
Speaker 4: of Interstellar. Kate, what were your cosmic vibes after watching
Speaker 4: this film? I hate the world and discuss Jacqueline, Interstellar
Speaker 4: took me on a journey. It's like Christopher Nolan meets
Speaker 4: a black hole and suddenly we're contemplating love across dimensions.
Speaker 1: I want to know this is okay, This isn't like.
Speaker 3: You know, oh my god, oh my god. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: you say at one point, it's like no one was
Speaker 3: showing us the cosmic ballet of particles and emotions, just
Speaker 3: like finding the perfect serum. It's a delicate dance between
Speaker 3: science and self care. It's like, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Hans Zimmer. Hans Zimmer's score was like the serum to
Speaker 3: my soul, stirring up emotions.
Speaker 4: Yeah see, I've never used jet literally and like, but
Speaker 4: but but what I'm finding interesting is like I'm starting
Speaker 4: to think chet GPT is there to be bad okay,
Speaker 4: to to throw everyone off the scent of AI.
Speaker 3: No, totally totally like because it's actually coming laugh lines.
Speaker 4: Whoa, I'm just thinking about but I mean pure transparent.
Speaker 4: And see I was I was sitting there going controlling
Speaker 4: myself from telling you I could have come up with
Speaker 4: laugh lines Okay, yeah, of course, I mean that's you could, Okay, going,
Speaker 4: that's which. Of course I could, you know I could.
Speaker 4: I literally was like jealous of you thinking that it
Speaker 4: was genius.
Speaker 3: Like I was actually think it's genius. I think that's right.
Speaker 3: We would never Actually, it's just like it's so funny
Speaker 3: because it's exactly responding to swim that there would be
Speaker 3: a cultural appetite for which is a podcast called Laughlins
Speaker 3: from two you know bitches. Yeah, like you could pitch
Speaker 3: a podcast called laughlines to two actresses in their early
Speaker 3: sixties and they discussed aging. Yeah, a comical.
Speaker 4: Twist, that's a humor exactly, not taking ourselves too seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that was just like plug in first half
Speaker 4: of sentence, existential second half of sentence, like reference a
Speaker 4: beauty thing and then jam them together syntactically. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: that's what that was, you know what I mean, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: them faking the right the chat gb TV being like,
Speaker 4: you know, throwing us off the scent of the real shit,
Speaker 4: totally like that.
Speaker 1: There was an article about this.
Speaker 4: We talked about it, I think, but like it was
Speaker 4: like everyone's like whatever, I can't go down.
Speaker 1: It's it's too I'll get there eventually. I'll get there eventually,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like I believe that art, Okay, if you're an
Speaker 4: artist will always there's always it will always find a
Speaker 4: way because it is it is an instinct that responds
Speaker 4: to whatever's going on, right, I'm not saying I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about obviously jobs industry.
Speaker 3: Of course you're talking about the pure No, I know completely,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: But but like you there's no circumstance where I believe
Speaker 4: can't be an artist complete even if like no one's watching,
Speaker 4: I mean you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not talking about the human impulse toward
Speaker 3: that at all, or I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and I know you weren't.
Speaker 4: I just saying it for my own I mean, And
Speaker 4: then there's the whole thing of like you know, and
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's a faulty metaphor, but like, okay, the
Speaker 4: second the cameras invented, painting become irrelevant, you know, No,
Speaker 4: but painting as the way the way to represent accuracy
Speaker 4: to you know, to re produce an accurate image.
Speaker 3: Obviously like well this so that advent of photography. People
Speaker 3: were raging against it because they were like, this is
Speaker 3: literally going to replicate the known world, and we're not
Speaker 3: going to have the real world won't mean anything anymore.
Speaker 3: But by the way, that is what has happened. It
Speaker 3: just took much longer, and that will continue to happen
Speaker 3: and the roial world will always mean something, of course.
Speaker 3: But the way photography threatened, you know, specifically painting, they
Speaker 3: were like, this is going to if you can replicate
Speaker 3: the world, then why would we have painters.
Speaker 4: And never feels oh, actually now we really have painters.
Speaker 4: I mean like like now I think there are like
Speaker 4: now painters are having to say or or they did say, no,
Speaker 4: you've missed the point. It was never about replication or
Speaker 4: only replication. Maybe it was when you were a patron
Speaker 4: of you know, the mediciese or whatever. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: oh it's compelling what happened there? Right, completely, No, Like
Speaker 4: I remember my grandfather, I've probably talked to this, but
Speaker 4: like standing in like MoMA, like I used to sometimes
Speaker 4: go with my like New York, you know, grandfather to
Speaker 4: museums and you know he loved you know, shows me
Speaker 4: like mona whatever. But but then we're like at MoMA
Speaker 4: or something and having a discussion about like the canvas.
Speaker 4: It's just like a blue square, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I'm like feeling like, no, it's it's meaningful. It
Speaker 4: just fucking is totally of course, of course it is.
Speaker 4: It's asking me to stand in front of the color blue.
Speaker 4: It's doing a thousand things, a million all right, thank god.
Speaker 3: The presence, the presence, thank god, and it shall never die.
Speaker 3: But there also is an unmistakable yeah and as yeah,
Speaker 3: we're not even talking about through the lens of like
Speaker 3: capital or jobs. Just surely on like a base impulsive,
Speaker 3: somatic level, it will never die.
Speaker 1: Like it'll if they go, well, yeah, I can write
Speaker 1: a story as good as you like.
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, no you can't. But it's also
Speaker 3: about what the appetite is, you know, it's like growing
Speaker 3: appetite audiences being truly like.
Speaker 4: Like animation didn't replace live action, right right, like in
Speaker 4: terms of having value, like live action still has value.
Speaker 4: And it's like it's like, but look, we can make
Speaker 4: we can tell these stories by just having these you know,
Speaker 4: these things move around whatever. And it's sort of like
Speaker 4: or or things having value like provenance, you know, like
Speaker 4: it's like the person attached to the thing and the
Speaker 4: larger story of these people made this thing has value.
Speaker 3: Of course, I like to think, I would hope, but
Speaker 3: this is actually what's being threatened in no way that
Speaker 3: I just actually I don't know anymore, but I would
Speaker 3: like to think humans will be able to detect humanity
Speaker 3: behind something, but we are going into territory where we
Speaker 3: absolutely won't be able to. And that's that's like the
Speaker 3: critical difference. And I do think, yeah, or just like this,
Speaker 3: standing in front of another person, standing physically in front
Speaker 3: of painting embodied physical existence, I think is going to
Speaker 3: have more power now, or it's going to be going
Speaker 3: to be sought after because the world is becoming so
Speaker 3: rapidly digitized and flattened, and so we will always crave
Speaker 3: that or want that, but it won't be the thing
Speaker 3: of we won't be able to detect it. So right
Speaker 3: now it's so you know, obvious and like it's so
Speaker 3: crude still like the chat cheepy tee thing. This is
Speaker 3: crude with it. But then now you know this is
Speaker 3: happening with video stuff and the sounds. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: not being able to tell the difference. This is the
Speaker 3: truth and that's what's yea, and already we can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, although I did start to wonder.
Speaker 4: If okay, if you have a closed system Okay.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, a robot was that a robotic foot?
Speaker 4: My foot stepped on a vacuum vacuum cleaner and it
Speaker 4: turned on.
Speaker 3: Shout out to shark Ninja for really sending us some fabulous.
Speaker 1: Vacuum Okay, shot shark Ninja.
Speaker 3: The creamy is here, honey.
Speaker 4: The creamy has arrived, although I've yet to use it
Speaker 4: because I was a little confused saying I have to
Speaker 4: cream were confusing.
Speaker 3: We're saying creamy July, so it's not creamy July. It Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you've been saying that around that lock in, lock
Speaker 3: in creamy July. Okay, Oh, I locked in like months ago.
Speaker 4: Wait, but I will say just before we move on that,
Speaker 4: I started to wonder if you have a closed system
Speaker 4: of internal thought, like you have a robot that believes
Speaker 4: it's real. Okay, oh, or you have a set of
Speaker 4: neurons whatever, okay in a box.
Speaker 1: You know why why why might why not might God
Speaker 1: give it a soul? The robot?
Speaker 4: Or like let's say someone, Yeah, let's say someone created
Speaker 4: a robot that physically like, operates like a human, looks
Speaker 4: like a human, the whole thing. Like, it's like, why
Speaker 4: might God be like that looks like a suitable container?
Speaker 4: And I'm speaking obviously whatever, why why because like carbon
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying, like why, like, because it doesn't have a
Speaker 3: soul and it never will. It's made only of what
Speaker 3: hasn't put into it. Oh God, No, I know. I mean, hey,
Speaker 3: this is a big question.
Speaker 1: No, I mean because so much of us.
Speaker 3: Act automated, So many humans are we are automated in
Speaker 3: so many ways, and we have downloaded all the materials
Speaker 3: from previous and generations and we don't do ancestor work enough.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, can't find and it's it's you
Speaker 4: can't locate consciousness, you know, it's like the hard problem
Speaker 4: of consciousness I think is I always forget which one
Speaker 4: is the hard problem of consciousness, Like the hard problem.
Speaker 1: It's like you could see the thoughts.
Speaker 4: Moving around in the brain, but what you cannot find
Speaker 4: is who or what awareness is experiencing those thoughts. That's
Speaker 4: nowhere in the brain, the little person in the brain
Speaker 4: experiencing all the sensory where are they? Okay, you see,
Speaker 4: like who's having the thoughts? And that's why some beliefs
Speaker 4: are like there is one great awareness that you're tuned
Speaker 4: into awareness behind it all, and then you kind of
Speaker 4: have this illusion of your individuality, the illusion of separateness,
Speaker 4: like is a part of the large consciousness splitting off thinking.
Speaker 4: It's not a part of forgetting that it's you know,
Speaker 4: and that's the ego, and that's the and the creation
Speaker 4: of the universe with all of its individuals is an
Speaker 4: expression of that.
Speaker 1: That's like a kind of one version.
Speaker 3: And it's so much of it. Also, it's the mystery
Speaker 3: thing of like what there was that it was like
Speaker 3: that famous article from a million years ago, but about
Speaker 3: studying bats, like there were studying bats and bat consciousness
Speaker 3: and like how bats we saw and how they like
Speaker 3: their everything, And it was like we can learn everything
Speaker 3: about the bat, but we'll never know what it's like
Speaker 3: to be a bat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's that thing you can't prove other people
Speaker 4: have minds. M. It's like similar to the like I
Speaker 4: am a I don't know humanist, you know, I am
Speaker 4: a whatever, but I took it. I was able to
Speaker 4: go far enough to this point in a conversation of
Speaker 4: like like.
Speaker 1: Why am I valuing my carbon like based molecule?
Speaker 3: Like I just saw it. I just saw you like
Speaker 3: in some future version of yourself as your politician, like
Speaker 3: a pro robot politician, and you're like it's like it's
Speaker 3: like thousands of robots like praising you, and there's big
Speaker 3: banners of you, and and it's like who am I
Speaker 3: to sa God doesn't recognize you as having a soul,
Speaker 3: and all the robots are like yeah, and you're like
Speaker 3: it's like this real issue, like and some people find
Speaker 3: you to be like the most vile terrifying, like like
Speaker 3: you know, figure that's going to destroy humanity, And other
Speaker 3: people are like, honestly, like I feel like I'm not
Speaker 3: allowed to say this, but I do kind of feel
Speaker 3: like my home robot like has a soul and like
Speaker 3: They've been a great companion to me, and like who
Speaker 3: am I to kind of like is that that's so?
Speaker 3: You as like the robot mother and you it's.
Speaker 4: So I love it, and you as my media, you
Speaker 4: know you as he is my pr he was my
Speaker 4: careful campaign managers.
Speaker 3: Like, listen, I love that you think the robots have.
Speaker 1: This is a very good but very good probably.
Speaker 3: By the way, this is HBO what used to be.
Speaker 3: This is old school HBO. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable, and this is why it's real. It's
Speaker 1: like like I'm coming from like a god place, like
Speaker 1: I'm coming from a very you always come o my
Speaker 1: God place, God first place, and going like like almost humble,
Speaker 1: like I can't prove you know that I exist. I
Speaker 1: can't this robot can't you know? Like it's just.
Speaker 4: Always like nice when someone's just scratching their neck while talking,
Speaker 4: like look at them. What it's ah was like when
Speaker 4: you are desperate and it's time to pray. Okay, like
Speaker 4: you're just like right now and praying. What do the
Speaker 4: words sound like in your head? And are there I
Speaker 4: mean I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 3: Verbal, Yeah, I go verbal.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm just curious, like what are the words like,
Speaker 4: is it like please God blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I was like thinking about like the
Speaker 4: spontaneous monologue of like of like.
Speaker 3: Help me, help me to be Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4: And I just just thinking about spontaneous you know, prayer,
Speaker 4: you know, one end complete like recitation, you know, on
Speaker 4: the other end, right, Hail Mary whatever, and then like
Speaker 4: maybe in between, I feel like there's a like how
Speaker 4: much cliche okay, how much common language of prayer? It's
Speaker 4: kind of collage of the culture slipping in like like
Speaker 4: so so if the word lord comes to me because
Speaker 4: I hear Carolyn May okay, she says like Lord, okay,
Speaker 4: like she's talking to prayer, and she's like and you know,
Speaker 4: and I'll say lord or whatever, and so it like
Speaker 4: flows in right, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Lords will. Creator is one that's kind of
Speaker 3: like hmm. It's like my like Cabala podcast. I always
Speaker 3: talking about like the creator, divine creator from like a creator.
Speaker 3: The creator to me has like like I don't have
Speaker 3: God baggage because again I hasn't raised religious or whatever
Speaker 3: creator sounds.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's creator.
Speaker 1: It's the same word as realtor, as builder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It's a it's an er, you know, it's an earth thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's.
Speaker 4: Like and it sounds like an egotistical thing that if
Speaker 4: God were to name itself, it wouldn't call itself that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And I don't do well with spirit too.
Speaker 3: People say spirit as a way to like sidestep God. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like say God.
Speaker 4: They say it like sushi, you know, like like a
Speaker 4: kind of vague sort of it could mean it means
Speaker 4: the plurality, like.
Speaker 3: Like spirit, but say spirit. I don't mean to say, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's fine, who cares. But you know what, it's a
Speaker 3: weird thing too. Have you ever heard medical people talk
Speaker 3: about I was talking to an old friend who works
Speaker 3: in medicine. She was talking about where they say baby
Speaker 3: by the way they talk about like a pregnant they say,
Speaker 3: so they go baby, Oh oh, they go, so fourteen
Speaker 3: weeks baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well to be introduced jargon.
Speaker 3: I just had the classic kind of horror movie thing
Speaker 3: of you have a baby and then they turn out
Speaker 3: to be evil and they try to kill you whatever.
Speaker 4: I was just talking about this with a expert in in.
Speaker 1: Literally crazy sort of horror. Like a week ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was having a text Crazy Baby, when Baby's
Speaker 4: Become Crazy.
Speaker 3: That's the book Connect.
Speaker 4: Okay, I literally said, it's I'll shout him out, Harold Scheckter.
Speaker 4: He's he's my friend, Richard Scheckter, No, okay, a professor
Speaker 4: of pop culture. And I like text him and it's
Speaker 4: he he's like my friend. You know, I grew up
Speaker 4: in his office. It was all the creepy things like
Speaker 4: and it was fabulous. Oh yeah, like Tarantula's and the
Speaker 4: little mini guillotines and and like disturbing art. And but
Speaker 4: I literally said to him, why, Like I go, what
Speaker 4: do you think hasn't been done in the horror genre
Speaker 4: that represents a repression so strong it hasn't even bubbled
Speaker 4: up yet in horror? Because that's not the movie I
Speaker 4: want to make, right, Yeah, And like I go, like,
Speaker 4: we've grown so accustomed to processing some unconscious fear through
Speaker 4: say the genre of.
Speaker 1: The evil child or demon baby.
Speaker 4: Like once something's almost a genre, has it lost its
Speaker 4: ability to be cathartic or is it healed in the psyche?
Speaker 4: And I don't know need to reply now because they're
Speaker 4: just like out of nowhere and then just some thoughts.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you have major insight on It's a good question.
Speaker 4: I've often pondered the question of whether it's possible to
Speaker 4: come up with a new type of monster. He goes, obviously,
Speaker 4: I just love like obviously, you know, He's like, obviously,
Speaker 4: Thomas Harris did it with the now mythical Hannibal Lecter
Speaker 4: that was already a quarter century ago.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think, like, it's almost like ift
Speaker 3: to go really banal, like that'd be the most scary thing, Like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: Like the most scary thing is like, what if you
Speaker 3: didn't know who you were anymore and you were doing
Speaker 3: things that what's scary? Well, I said, I was like,
Speaker 3: what's my greatest fear? I was like, or I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what's so terrifying The idea of people being
Speaker 3: unhappy in their lives, being rewarded for it for some choice,
Speaker 3: and not being able.
Speaker 1: To get out devil Devil's agreement.
Speaker 3: Not being able to doing insomnia horror, someone who can
Speaker 3: never sleep and they've lost their mind. It sucks.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's all good. I'm like silent because I'm like
Speaker 1: saving ideas for the cinema.
Speaker 3: I'm like, literally, I was. I was like, oh, like
Speaker 3: someone who.
Speaker 1: Because he's like I was seeing it about the new monster.
Speaker 3: It's interesting creating a new monster.
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, I think what Harris did was
Speaker 4: hit on the way to incarnate archetypal evil in a
Speaker 4: specifically modern day form. That's archetype's work and his diabolical genius,
Speaker 4: his manipulative brilliance, et cetera. Elector is Satan in the
Speaker 4: guise of a serial killer, and he goes, he's also
Speaker 4: seductive in the way that Lucifer.
Speaker 1: Is, and I go, yeah, he's a delight.
Speaker 4: And he goes, unless you're the FBI guy who was
Speaker 4: made in his own brains, I was like, oh, I
Speaker 4: forgot about it, but I was thinking about when electters
Speaker 4: like right, it's not scary to me. It's sort of
Speaker 4: like a bummer, Like it's like he's suddenly well it's goofy.
Speaker 1: It's goofy.
Speaker 4: It's and like not, it's sort of like he becomes
Speaker 4: very plain when he's actually getting down.
Speaker 1: He becomes very.
Speaker 3: Agreed you don't want to actually see it, but gets
Speaker 3: it's crazy, like when he eats the guards hell face,
Speaker 3: it was loud.
Speaker 1: You heard that, right, I heard that, but it didn't
Speaker 1: sound fucked up to me.
Speaker 3: I think it's just the door.
Speaker 4: But I gave him some ideas and he goes, I go, well, like,
Speaker 4: what about something sort of whatever?
Speaker 1: Whatever. He goes, I don't consider that horror.
Speaker 4: You might also explore theories on the distinction between terror
Speaker 4: and horror. And I was like, okay, yeah, And then relatedly,
Speaker 4: he goes one last thing. One of my favorite Emily
Speaker 4: Dickinson poems about the source of horror are hidden selves?
Speaker 1: Shall I read it?
Speaker 3: I think you know the answer.
Speaker 4: One need not be a chamber to be haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 4: one need not be a house. The brain has corridors
Speaker 4: surpassing material place far safer of a midnight meeting external
Speaker 4: ghost than an interior confronting that cooler host. Far safer
Speaker 4: through an abby gallop, the stones, a chase than moonless.
Speaker 4: One's a self encounter in lonesome place. Our self behind,
Speaker 4: our self concealed should startle most assassin, and hid in
Speaker 4: our apartment be horror's least. The prudent carries a revolver,
Speaker 4: he bolts the door, or looking a superior specter more
Speaker 4: near hmm, behind you like my dashes were a little off,
Speaker 4: but my pauses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always funny when poems rhyme a little bit.
Speaker 3: I it's like, it's.
Speaker 1: Like so much to say about it.
Speaker 4: Well, the ones where it forces it, like where it
Speaker 4: forces you to be like serpentine to make it work.
Speaker 3: In the previous line, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But I am very happy to be recording today and
Speaker 4: I'm happy for the next one because I am stressed out.
Speaker 4: It is it is wild. Heart rate soars before bed.
Speaker 4: I can see it. I'm a dang Okay, I see
Speaker 4: it jumps up high, high, high high, when it's like
Speaker 4: almost night.
Speaker 1: And this is what I know. This it's the terror
Speaker 1: of another day, loss to time and add.
Speaker 3: It's never lost.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry stressed. You know it could help.
Speaker 4: Meditation, hanging out, well, the social is really good for
Speaker 4: the brain.
Speaker 3: Oh well, you need it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I got to get a day's work
Speaker 1: in and then.
Speaker 3: Not every day. Can't work every day? Really absolutely not crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, but you said the thing about the Sabbath, and
Speaker 4: I just want to say, because I think in Maranogulized
Speaker 4: stunning new book All Fours, there's a thing about like
Speaker 4: the weekly being like masculine like the the because like
Speaker 4: talking about basically like the monthly. You know, we have
Speaker 4: a monthly cycle, you and me, not to brag, how
Speaker 4: to show off. Okay, that builds in, like in theory,
Speaker 4: a week of rest, that would be like we would
Speaker 4: probably be better off if we just had one week a month,
Speaker 4: Sam saying.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely averaging weekly is.
Speaker 4: Pushing the plea is forcing a cycle in a man's
Speaker 4: world like it's it's it's inputting a day of rest
Speaker 4: where there wouldn't be one or something, right, I can't
Speaker 4: remember exactly, like whatever, No, it's interesting, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come over for Sabbath. Obviously I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be able to actually stick to it every week, but
Speaker 3: once a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think.
Speaker 4: In conclusion, I think going home with plant based could
Speaker 4: change your entire experience of your digestion cape.
Speaker 3: But I am mostly plant based.
Speaker 4: No, But that's that's what I'm saying. I'm not talking
Speaker 4: about the absence of other things adding in getting you
Speaker 4: to get a dozen in every day.
Speaker 3: I'm all about it. I'm really interested and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do it. You know what, I'm gonna start doing it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Will you do a test of ground flax and.
Speaker 4: See if I told you ground floxed me and my stomach. No,
Speaker 4: I know, but I'm wondering I did too much? You
Speaker 4: ground it?
Speaker 1: What was the deal?
Speaker 3: Fox seed meal?
Speaker 1: I just look into it.
Speaker 4: But you know brown flock seeds tablespoon a day, that's
Speaker 4: one of the things. Yeah, okay, I'll do it. I
Speaker 4: know you're getting beans every day. Are you getting cruciferous
Speaker 4: vegetable every day? No, so that you need a serving
Speaker 4: of I'm not getting beans every day, to be honest,
Speaker 4: all right, you need a fourth of a cup. I
Speaker 4: recall you last week saying saying that's not easy. It's nothing.
Speaker 4: I'm just experimenting with shoving it onto people.
Speaker 3: Will you send me again? You parents the list somewhere.
Speaker 1: Like it's impossible to find, and it was like literally in.
Speaker 3: The link, well it was there was like behind then
Speaker 3: I oh shit, all right, I'm often calls.
Speaker 1: I have to go, You're out of here.
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