Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding
Speaker 1: dong calling my girls groggy. I'm sorry, I think it'll
Speaker 1: be fine. I'm groggy, giggly even. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: an intersection that we don't acknowledge in our society and
Speaker 1: our culture. You can actually gets a friend runner for
Speaker 1: title of AP and that's shocking that that's already happened
Speaker 1: just seconds into the podcast. But sometimes that's what fate
Speaker 1: has for us. You know what's giving me a smile
Speaker 1: what my sister Matt Rodgers is having a side like
Speaker 1: a side swept bang. I'm sort of giving you Aaron
Speaker 1: Samuel's from Mean Girls Are and I, um, I would
Speaker 1: say it's more. I would say, it's like, would you
Speaker 1: girl say like petulant, petulant child at Christmas? Petulant child
Speaker 1: at Christmas. I love that. This is what happens when
Speaker 1: I used shampoo and conditioner in my hair, My very
Speaker 1: pin straight hair in fact, just sort of blaze right
Speaker 1: on flat and then it goes on and parts to
Speaker 1: the side and look like a little cherub. It's it's
Speaker 1: a fun, youthful look. I like a lead up boy boy,
Speaker 1: I love to say little like Lida, And that's actually
Speaker 1: something that the readers don't know about me. Lida boy,
Speaker 1: what what do you what do you think that is
Speaker 1: just replacing these e er sounds, these l e sounds
Speaker 1: with the letter A with an A. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's exactly what you just described. I think it's just
Speaker 1: me sort of like foregoing consonants for vowel sounds for
Speaker 1: a really comedic effect, very very funny, very funny, very funny.
Speaker 1: You know what else might be fun if me and
Speaker 1: you do a versus like Miss Patty and Miss Gladys
Speaker 1: and night. I was I only caught stippets of a bit.
Speaker 1: Gladys sounds incredible. Oh my god, Gladys Night, she sounds
Speaker 1: better than she's ever sounded. And I will say this
Speaker 1: Midnight Train to Georgia is a very amazing song and
Speaker 1: it will stand the test of time. It has our
Speaker 1: already stood the test of time. You talk about it
Speaker 1: as if it came out yesterday, This new hit Midnight
Speaker 1: Trains Georgia. It's a rule of culture number twenty six.
Speaker 1: Midnight will stand some time time. And in fact of time,
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up something to you, but
Speaker 1: I forgot what I guess, I'll I guess, I'll guess,
Speaker 1: I'll think maybe we'll find it later. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm sad that you didn't get to watch
Speaker 1: the verses because this was a moment. And also you
Speaker 1: forget about Patti's big hits. You forget about New Attitude.
Speaker 1: New Attitude was a career revival. She jumped her the car,
Speaker 1: She jumped to the cables. She knows she took the
Speaker 1: cables and jumped her career. The nine lives of it all,
Speaker 1: the nine lives of it all very much like um,
Speaker 1: I don't know who else, like a Tina, like a
Speaker 1: fun like like a fun like quick clicking jolt in
Speaker 1: the eighties of like wow, okay, she's back, new life
Speaker 1: and new haircut and that'll do it, and that'll do it. Um.
Speaker 1: Did you see Dion Warwick appeared with the two of them.
Speaker 1: It became a whole trio trio. Um. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: like fully like contemptuous, was it? I mean? I heard
Speaker 1: yet Oprah on the comments. Oprah was in the comments,
Speaker 1: Mariah was in the comments. Bob the Dragons in the comments,
Speaker 1: The New Legends ball and you know that people were
Speaker 1: in the comments like we need a new Legends ball, oprah, oprah,
Speaker 1: do another Legends ball? Like that wasn't a pain in
Speaker 1: the asked to a schedule, But wasn't it so good
Speaker 1: for the for the world and the culture to have
Speaker 1: the Legends ball. We need to have it again. It
Speaker 1: was excellent for the world. It was excellent for the world.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about and I was laughing about this
Speaker 1: the other day our new favorite show, Dear, But I
Speaker 1: was laughing. We loved the here wed TV. Plus it's
Speaker 1: called Deer Calm Deer No dear dot dot dot or
Speaker 1: it's dear comment but see it's confusing. What is it
Speaker 1: explains the readers what is dear? So dear? And so
Speaker 1: matt Man I kept like just doing a bit where
Speaker 1: we were saying each other, you have to watch the
Speaker 1: wa have you have you seen Dear? Did you see Dear?
Speaker 1: Did you see the fourth episode of Deer? I love
Speaker 1: the fourth episode of Dear. That was Big Bird. Favorite
Speaker 1: episode of Deer. That was Big Birds Deer. That was
Speaker 1: Big Birds Deer. Um they so big Bird is literally
Speaker 1: on Deer. So every episode they focused on like a hero, celebrity, UM.
Speaker 1: And then the entire episode is that person reading letters
Speaker 1: that people have written to them, UM, just very heartfelt
Speaker 1: letters about how this person affected their lives. UM. And Oprah,
Speaker 1: I think EPs the show. I don't know what she
Speaker 1: has to do with the show, but she has an
Speaker 1: episode that is centric to her, which made Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: and I shed tears so beautiful. She has a power,
Speaker 1: she has a power. I'm not seeing enough Oprah in
Speaker 1: the world. I'm not seeing enough Oprah. That's probably really
Speaker 1: what Ellen Pompeo was saying at home. I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: she can't figure out her remote. I can't really. I
Speaker 1: will say Versus is not super accessible, like I can't
Speaker 1: find it on Apple Music, and I guess you need
Speaker 1: to go to the Instagram. Is that I watched on
Speaker 1: Instagram and it was lovely and there were six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people watching, which is the highest attended Instagram live
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Deer is wonderful. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just a truly well well executed UM premise. And you'll
Speaker 1: cry television. You'll cry when you watch Dear Girl if
Speaker 1: you if you love Disney fairy tale weddings, you'll love
Speaker 1: Dear Dear Yeah. You're going to love. Dear, dear, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this, this young young young person that hasn
Speaker 1: who's um let's just say uh sort of storming not
Speaker 1: only comedy scene but also Twitter dot com and the
Speaker 1: podcast space and the podcast space. Not for nothing, but
Speaker 1: this person is becoming one of my favorite listens week
Speaker 1: to week because they're one of the co hosts of
Speaker 1: The rear View, which is Grinder's podcast with Forever Dog,
Speaker 1: and I have to tell you it feels like a
Speaker 1: kindred spirit podcast to us. And I want to encourage
Speaker 1: all readers when Thursday rolls around, because you know you
Speaker 1: love last Coach on Wednesday, and when Thursday rolls around,
Speaker 1: I want you to sort of glance in your rear View.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, put the mirror up to the crack.
Speaker 1: Put the mirror up to the craft. I am listening
Speaker 1: to that. Get the fagon off the TV. I'm not
Speaker 1: get the fag off the TV. I'm not watching watching that.
Speaker 1: And that, of course, we attribute to Tyra Banks and
Speaker 1: we wish her luck this week. It's the first week
Speaker 1: of Dancing with the Stars. I can't wait to watch
Speaker 1: your host this damn show. Can't wait to watch her
Speaker 1: hearn to Carola bas going to be like that was
Speaker 1: an amazing fox straw. Did you kill your husband? And
Speaker 1: only Tyra is crazy enough to do that? And that's
Speaker 1: why it's good to get Tyra crazy. She will ask
Speaker 1: the question. I fully watched the entire Naomi Um Naomi
Speaker 1: Campel interview. I do that like once every year or two,
Speaker 1: and it's it's so funny. Just just tired of being
Speaker 1: like I wanted to tell you that you hurt me
Speaker 1: irrevocably and what you did to me in my formative
Speaker 1: years as not only a model but a woman will
Speaker 1: hunt me for the rest of my life. And this
Speaker 1: is Naomi Campel's guys. You guys, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I don't really know what that what
Speaker 1: the thing is to me, with what I've been through
Speaker 1: in my life, I think that what you're saying is
Speaker 1: not that deep. Amazing, it's not that deep, she said,
Speaker 1: it's not that deep deep who said for years I
Speaker 1: proverbally was on the edge of the cliff because you
Speaker 1: pushed me there when you did that, Naomi, Naomi, do
Speaker 1: you remember, Naomi, do you remember the way that you
Speaker 1: treated me? Do you remember the cruelty, the really good
Speaker 1: Tira Naomi, I don't, I don't remember. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't remember. Um he is, okay, this is all to
Speaker 1: say The rear View is an incredible new podcast. I
Speaker 1: also the way the way that you um something that
Speaker 1: stayed with me if you go back and listen to
Speaker 1: our last episode. Um Matt was talking about Mulan, but
Speaker 1: he basically summed up in one word where he said,
Speaker 1: the way they said cut the songs at the way
Speaker 1: they said cut the songs out of the sand. Well,
Speaker 1: not for nothing. But I'm just I'm just praising. I'm
Speaker 1: just gassing at my thank you. Now. I don't even now,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to go against you. I want
Speaker 1: us to join hands. And speaking of joining hands, it's
Speaker 1: time for us to join hands with our guest. Who
Speaker 1: should and I have a question for you. Should comedians
Speaker 1: be as hot as him? Should comedians also be bisexual
Speaker 1: icons as he is? He's going to be mad about
Speaker 1: Andrew Gillham. Girl, we might have we got to talk
Speaker 1: about this. Our guest is beaming what beaming bright? He
Speaker 1: wants to talk about Andrew Gillham. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: This guest is one of our faves we've seen We've
Speaker 1: seen him on stage, you've seen him online, you're listening
Speaker 1: to him on the pod the Rearview. Everyone, please welcome
Speaker 1: into your goddamn ears. J thank I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: be here. A new orifice, so a new orifice for
Speaker 1: you to really do anything you want to anything. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm not gonna do, do meth in the
Speaker 1: hotel room, pass out in my own vomit, and then
Speaker 1: play it off like it did happen. I'm not, You're grown,
Speaker 1: So let's let's fill me in because I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't been following the Andrew Gilliam stuff passed to like
Speaker 1: I mean, I obviously was was with it when he
Speaker 1: woke up in the hotel room. He came out today
Speaker 1: as bisexual? Is that what he did to Tamarin Hall?
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the effort for him to say the
Speaker 1: words bisexual and for him to articulate um something that
Speaker 1: is very important, especially for people who don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a representative for male bisexuality, or even more importantly, like
Speaker 1: people love color, coating the stigma about bisexuality, specifically sister
Speaker 1: gender men who have the whole rumor about the d L.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for that aspect of this. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is a dark, dark alley. But what a way
Speaker 1: to do what the way to do it? Some people
Speaker 1: come out come out sort of gingerly in high school.
Speaker 1: Other people run for governor and are covered in vomited math. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a Ronda Santis is a terrible person and should not
Speaker 1: be governor of Florida and has directly led to the
Speaker 1: deaths of a lot of people. But uh, andrew this.
Speaker 1: This also is kind of bad in spin it's not
Speaker 1: as bad. I'm gonna let you know it's not as bad.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. But we're number one. The queer
Speaker 1: community is allowed to make jokes for a few days.
Speaker 1: That first thing I'm gonna say, we're gonna get jokes
Speaker 1: off for a few days. And if you get and
Speaker 1: if you get mad, maybe you ain't. Maybe you ain't
Speaker 1: got what it takes me. Bisexual number two, number two.
Speaker 1: There's an element of infidelity here that we're not addressing.
Speaker 1: There's also an element of like, uh, sex work is valid,
Speaker 1: and drug addiction and drug use is also valid, but
Speaker 1: deception isn't. Was he married? Yeah it is, he's married,
Speaker 1: and was called. Uh he said, this is what he
Speaker 1: told the police. He was helping someone in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: He helped someone. So you know, overall, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: we come out, but it's like a forty nine split,
Speaker 1: like it's good, but it's just like it just aked. Sure,
Speaker 1: it just ached. That's good. That's a great way of putting.
Speaker 1: You get some representation out of it, for sure. But
Speaker 1: and then this is why I think it's like really
Speaker 1: important for everyone to vote, because had you voted for
Speaker 1: Andrew Gillham, you wouldn't have been out on a mes vender. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't know that. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: he probably would have been a little bit busier. But
Speaker 1: this we did this. Florida voters did this, okay, And
Speaker 1: I am gonna play Florida voters and I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: please vote for Joe Biden so we don't have to
Speaker 1: hear about what happens to him three months four months
Speaker 1: later because he might not have the wherewithal to just
Speaker 1: go take a nice walk in the woods. You don't know,
Speaker 1: it could be Andrew Gillham situation. It could be as
Speaker 1: he if he could be speedballing and just waking up.
Speaker 1: I also think that, like the Andrew Gillim thing as
Speaker 1: like a bisexual person from the South. I was like it.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's always like a monkey's paw of
Speaker 1: a gift. We never get it. It's never just like
Speaker 1: doing well, oh by the way, yeah got good girls
Speaker 1: and not buying your people. Yeah, it's always like it's
Speaker 1: always a monkey's paw. Well, okay, talk about this, j
Speaker 1: um are we we we? I feel like you're checking
Speaker 1: so many boxes. I mean you you, you are bringing
Speaker 1: forward a new model of let's just say, um, what
Speaker 1: a comedian can look like, what a bisexual person can
Speaker 1: be doing. Um, there's no respectability in terms of the
Speaker 1: thirst traps that go online. I mean I I I'm
Speaker 1: kind of really excited at this sort of anarchistic rewriting
Speaker 1: of the rules and so and so. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about your role in this. I'm happy to be
Speaker 1: a torch bearer, but there are so many people that
Speaker 1: kept the flame lit before me. We're talking about people
Speaker 1: like Joe Kim Booster was getting naked before I got naked.
Speaker 1: Tail Lane was getting naked before I got naked. Solomon
Speaker 1: was being sexy, Solomon was being sexy clothes on on TV.
Speaker 1: Before I got the opportunity to booky Proof you can
Speaker 1: be brown and qute, Wanda Side said, you can be queer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be me. I would show that to students
Speaker 1: during a stand up section when I was a teacher,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, well, y'all just have to watch
Speaker 1: this if y'all want to see a good comedy looks
Speaker 1: like So, there are so many people that have helped
Speaker 1: me feel comfortable enough to be my true authentic self
Speaker 1: on stage. Also, when you lie as a comedian kind
Speaker 1: of like poker, the audience has tiny tells just physically
Speaker 1: where they're like, you aren't comfortable about that subject, so
Speaker 1: you're either overcorrecting or skirting past it. So if I
Speaker 1: didn't talk about being queer, it's I think it's like
Speaker 1: tantamount to me not talking about from me being from
Speaker 1: Mississippi or me not having a dog, like these are
Speaker 1: elements that brought me up and that helped s eetch
Speaker 1: me out a bit more. So I love it. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're Mississippian first, then your dog owner second, and
Speaker 1: black first. Well I'm just quoting you. You put Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm black first, I'm black. I'd say I'm black first,
Speaker 1: and then I want to be queer right after black,
Speaker 1: and then I want to be very funny and everything else.
Speaker 1: Can that kind of be lateral, like the same sort
Speaker 1: of like on the same plane, perfect, Matt, what about
Speaker 1: what about you? I would say that for me, I
Speaker 1: am one of my first. I think honestly, I think
Speaker 1: that I really can say I am gay first. Okay,
Speaker 1: I really am gay first. Like some I was thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, wow, pretty much everything I've ever done,
Speaker 1: besides Hot Dog, which is coming out soon, I've had
Speaker 1: to be gay to do, like, had to be queer
Speaker 1: to host game show, pretty much all the sketch comedy
Speaker 1: I ever did in my life. I was like doing,
Speaker 1: gay characters are queer characters, etcetera. So I guess I
Speaker 1: am gay first. And of course what they call a
Speaker 1: gold star gay never even been in the same room
Speaker 1: as a naked vagina, never even been in the same room.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's not that I wouldn't welcome the opportunity.
Speaker 1: I just would feel bad for the woman having that
Speaker 1: opportunity and sharing that opportunity with me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, none of us are platinum stars? Are
Speaker 1: we No? No, no, Jay, I'm imagining that Jay has Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went through the regular way. I didn't have MP
Speaker 1: entrance or exit. I guess v I p entrance to
Speaker 1: the world, to the world you're Drake at the clip
Speaker 1: and not come through the back. But when how do
Speaker 1: you identify first and foremost? I identify as um as
Speaker 1: as as a that's gay first. Probably you think gay first,
Speaker 1: Well no, actually no, because the first thing people see
Speaker 1: is as It's about how you identify, don't give them that.
Speaker 1: I have had to, like in terms of like stocking,
Speaker 1: like the lenses that things refract through, Like it's Asian
Speaker 1: first and then it's gay, And I've had to like
Speaker 1: get comfortable with the Asian part before I get comfortable
Speaker 1: with the gay part. I think it's it's switched orders,
Speaker 1: like it switches orders all the time. But I think
Speaker 1: now it's sort of the layers are sort of sedimenting
Speaker 1: in the right way, and so it's it's it's Asian one.
Speaker 1: I think that, Like the reason I say black first
Speaker 1: also is because my blackness informs my queerness more than
Speaker 1: my queerness informs my blackness. So when you guys were
Speaker 1: talking about Versus. I watched Versus as like a black
Speaker 1: person with like two great aunties just like that, or
Speaker 1: like like my mom is the Patty of all her friendships.
Speaker 1: She had the block big right now, and so like
Speaker 1: I see that and I'm like, oh, that's like my
Speaker 1: mom my mom. It's not like, oh that's like a
Speaker 1: DVA then there diva to me, But it was. I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of was like just a masterclass black
Speaker 1: queerness watching that last night. So you were watching, Oh,
Speaker 1: I was Garrison the Boy Frank can tell you. I
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta get home. I did two shows
Speaker 1: and then I wrote my Bike Home and Patty and
Speaker 1: Gladys would be very disappointed because I got Popeyes instead
Speaker 1: of actually cooking something for it. And I watched it
Speaker 1: with pop Eyes and I was I was just so
Speaker 1: happy away I came in. I was like Patty heavy favorite,
Speaker 1: but but she still won because they weren't playing Gladys
Speaker 1: night His back to back like Patty had. There were
Speaker 1: two times Patty Patty Patty like played hits back to back,
Speaker 1: and the Glass had to play Midnight Train Georgia twice
Speaker 1: to make it a closet, and on and on license
Speaker 1: to Kill was very good. Neither one of us was amazing,
Speaker 1: but neither one of us is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Neither one of us is amazing. But then if you
Speaker 1: do that same exercise with Patty's hits, Patty played the
Speaker 1: A B C's because she knew that people on versus
Speaker 1: would want to see to hear that there was a
Speaker 1: Patty mix with the A B C's in it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean she she understood the sliver of her audience.
Speaker 1: I was watching. It was like Internet like consumers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you people said thank you gave people, Um, did you
Speaker 1: did you see the part? Obviously you did, but bow
Speaker 1: and there was this part I'm wondering if you were
Speaker 1: tuning in where um it was right after they finished
Speaker 1: the song and they were talking and they're exchanges in
Speaker 1: between the songs. One of my favorite part and what
Speaker 1: you're saying something. But it was just stuff like and
Speaker 1: you know, and then I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Matt had a baby, and then Matt would say, you know,
Speaker 1: Jay had a baby. It was so so good and
Speaker 1: so lived in and like it felt like it felt
Speaker 1: like voyeuristic because there's obviously close friends with tons of
Speaker 1: history years and years of like something no one else
Speaker 1: could replicate, which is there shared and lived experience. But
Speaker 1: my favorite part was when right after Patty ended up
Speaker 1: like slaying a number, she turns to Gladys and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I just I sing so high and
Speaker 1: so much. I wonder if it's too much. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is like God gave me all
Speaker 1: of this, and I'm gonna do all of this because
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not be me. And there is a
Speaker 1: pause and Gladys just goes, it's power, and Patty was like,
Speaker 1: it is, it's power, and then they just moved on.
Speaker 1: But it's like them talking about how they're the best
Speaker 1: singers in the world and just like they get it
Speaker 1: and it's there's not an ounce of ego, it's just
Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah, But isn't it so fun? How like
Speaker 1: even after all these years, like it's still kind of
Speaker 1: this novelty to her, even like to herself, she's like,
Speaker 1: it's Patty label being like, well, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: the talented even like in like into like the fifth
Speaker 1: decade of my work or whatever the hell, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a seventies seven year old in a seventies six
Speaker 1: year old being like I sang this, Oh I did this.
Speaker 1: I used to do this for I still do this
Speaker 1: for a living. They were marveling at themselves, which was
Speaker 1: so cool, and it was like a full on, like
Speaker 1: matriarchal vibe that you're getting a lot of like black churches,
Speaker 1: where it was just I mean, I tweeted and joked
Speaker 1: about how like that versus. After that versus, I went
Speaker 1: home with an entire pound cake when I only wanted
Speaker 1: to slice, because that's what happens. That happened to me
Speaker 1: last Christmas and my big Mama's I went to see
Speaker 1: her with my sister and she was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want some poal cake, and she did the cartoon Tom
Speaker 1: and Jerry slice where she cut like two little slices
Speaker 1: and then gave us the rest of the cake. Give
Speaker 1: me that fat slice. I just want the skinny slice.
Speaker 1: But I just that was my first versus versus that
Speaker 1: I had watched. I unfortunately missed the Brandy Monica one.
Speaker 1: You picked a good one, though, you picked a very
Speaker 1: good one because they did a hybrid where they were like,
Speaker 1: I'll sing live Monica didn't want to do live vocals.
Speaker 1: BRANDI sang a little her stuff live Monica gave up
Speaker 1: on some stuff. But also Brandie versus Monica, that was
Speaker 1: like a fun one because there was tension. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of tension because there's that
Speaker 1: whole backstory about the MTV Movie Awards with the punch
Speaker 1: and or slap that occurred between them and who was
Speaker 1: that doing that to whom allegedly this is allegedly is
Speaker 1: from Dallas a k. I think uh Chili's egg husband
Speaker 1: the producer. So yeah, so he said Monica popped Brandy
Speaker 1: in the mouth. That makes sense because everyone like the
Speaker 1: like black Twitter's second reading of Monica, besides being like
Speaker 1: an RB diva who deserves her flowers while she can
Speaker 1: still smell them, is that chilla hood? Chilla hood? Is
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that? Monica is? Monica is ghetto. But
Speaker 1: at the end it's spelled t e a. You like
Speaker 1: just a little bit, just a little yeah. I always like,
Speaker 1: do you ever listen back to that song and think
Speaker 1: who did win this? And do you have her mccai
Speaker 1: fi for that's the one that's oh yes, the other one.
Speaker 1: But then there would be no reason for the song
Speaker 1: to exist. I think Monica made the growing up, it
Speaker 1: was the sentiment was always a Monica one. See that's
Speaker 1: so interesting because for me growing up, the sentiment was
Speaker 1: Brandy one, and I think had the better career. She
Speaker 1: had the better career, and I was like, mainstream career. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's very career. Yes, and thank you for for for
Speaker 1: checking me on that, because better does not mean mainstream,
Speaker 1: does not mean better. Yeah, come on, I'm on the
Speaker 1: house of Niche right now. To me, like a white
Speaker 1: teen on Long Island. I knew who Brandy was because
Speaker 1: I did watch Moesia every now and then, and I
Speaker 1: also was aware of her from like, you know, doing
Speaker 1: Cinderella and all these things. But I remember when I
Speaker 1: hear that, I see Matt with Moesia braids in my head,
Speaker 1: how does it look the way? He wouldn't do it?
Speaker 1: The way he would never know? That don't come from me,
Speaker 1: z way um. But wait um. I do want to
Speaker 1: say though, as an adult listening to the song, I
Speaker 1: think Monica walks her like a dog. That's the grown
Speaker 1: woman who's in the right. But what's unfair? But what
Speaker 1: kind of sets up that dynamic and sets it up
Speaker 1: for the rest of the song, for the entire song
Speaker 1: is the fact that Brandy is the one who approaches Monica.
Speaker 1: Monica is just minding her own business a minute, Sure,
Speaker 1: you know you look kind of it's like Monica is
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think I know you. She's like,
Speaker 1: I might remember who you are, exactly who that is.
Speaker 1: That's the other woman. That's what heteronormative activities due to
Speaker 1: y'all when y'all out here claiming folks, wow, uh because
Speaker 1: gate because it doesn't even really happen to gay me
Speaker 1: and I feel like gay men don't really claim each other.
Speaker 1: And in the way that these these straight women do
Speaker 1: have opinions about when people go, oh, this man who
Speaker 1: has not committed to me is mine because you're the
Speaker 1: one looking like boo boo the fool because you are
Speaker 1: acting up now man hasn't done anything. If he's like
Speaker 1: the prize to be like coveted, and then it's it's
Speaker 1: like bordering on like a weird scope of philic passion
Speaker 1: to see women fight over you. If you're a was like, wow,
Speaker 1: y'all handle what you don't do that that's kind of
Speaker 1: not really I don't know, maybe maybe I'm eracing a
Speaker 1: lot of um stuff, but I feel like that's not
Speaker 1: really the dynamic that I've noticed amongst men are age
Speaker 1: game at our age were like I don't know, we
Speaker 1: give up, we go have well, because if you if
Speaker 1: you were to act crazy about like someone that you
Speaker 1: know or someone else hooking up with someone that you
Speaker 1: hooked up with or hooking up with, I feel like
Speaker 1: in the modern like gay queer community, you you look
Speaker 1: insane and very bothered because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: and the world is so small like this, the circles
Speaker 1: are so small and literally all like run into a
Speaker 1: guy who's like like like I'll run into a weener
Speaker 1: cousin um like like a guy like like a a sister,
Speaker 1: and I'll just be like, oh cool, like that's that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine, okay, great, and then like movie that's like
Speaker 1: there's no there's no sense of ownership the way that
Speaker 1: these were like in a very kind of like yeah
Speaker 1: you don't you like you can talk about this if
Speaker 1: you want, uh, so well, because so some people go there,
Speaker 1: so here and there like this, but if you are
Speaker 1: basing your entire relationship on monogamy that was established during
Speaker 1: like the early modern period in Europe to make sure
Speaker 1: that the great chain of being was maintained so that
Speaker 1: like peasants stuck with peasants, and like a stable boy,
Speaker 1: wasn't having sex with the princess, because then the patard
Speaker 1: would change. Because if your blood is different, if if
Speaker 1: the if the aristocracy is almost a different species, then
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be able to intermingle and more importantly, made
Speaker 1: and procreate with people on the lower pegs of that
Speaker 1: totem pole. So system, Yes, yeah, so you wanted to
Speaker 1: take ownership of a woman also because she was the
Speaker 1: only way for you to pass your property, not even
Speaker 1: pass past you like your lineage, you like you have
Speaker 1: to have the sun. So I have someone to give
Speaker 1: my stuff too. And by the way, he better be
Speaker 1: mine or else I'm giving my stuff to somebody I
Speaker 1: don't know. Like it's just that I and I don't
Speaker 1: I reject this cast system. Yeah yeah, honey, honey, let
Speaker 1: me be a surf at the bottom. Unbothered Bowen didn't
Speaker 1: think I would know that surfs were at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the cast system. I know. His eyes lit up
Speaker 1: and he pointed like this, deep, deep, deep, because he
Speaker 1: saw what I've been. I've been deep, deep, deeping all night.
Speaker 1: I think he was happy for you, and really I
Speaker 1: was agreeing. I I was, I was kind of I was,
Speaker 1: I was kind of joining in on this collectivizing notion
Speaker 1: of the surfs that are at the bottom when we're together.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I'm not that way. I would
Speaker 1: love to be a courtier or a baron or a
Speaker 1: duke or a marquis. But you carry that you carry
Speaker 1: you have a very energy. Yeah down there, ya has
Speaker 1: a have I know, I do think you would look
Speaker 1: very very hot and like that's sort of like prince
Speaker 1: like regalia. Like I think you would make a very
Speaker 1: handsome print, is what I'm saying to you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So that's what you've been doing. You've been going out
Speaker 1: to the park to do you. I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 1: I always say meet people where they are comfortable during this,
Speaker 1: and I'm comfortable enough to do. It's not your show
Speaker 1: with a with a mask. Take it off, do my
Speaker 1: set put the mask back on. People are distant. Do
Speaker 1: you disinfect the mic afterwards? Disinfect the mic? There? Mike
Speaker 1: condoms now might cover the condoms, the little mike condoms,
Speaker 1: and so yes, for all gay men, condoms are something
Speaker 1: that you put around your penis so that you don't
Speaker 1: get an s t I I'm back on Prepa. I'm
Speaker 1: also on a rip, roaring on prep. I'm on my discobe,
Speaker 1: are you guys true? I'm my provider said, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'd love to try discobe. He said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're sticking with prop. I forget why this stuff
Speaker 1: is a smaller pill. I don't mind swallowing that big
Speaker 1: old blue thing, dick, and give me that taste, Jake
Speaker 1: Sully penis. Give me that long long don't give me
Speaker 1: that blue Doctor Manhattan, get Dr Manhattan, getting me. Bowen
Speaker 1: said his dick was blutiful. No, no, the big is
Speaker 1: that the biggest penis ever on TV? And Watchman, I'm mate, Watchman.
Speaker 1: I don't well, I don't. I think yeah, yeah, is
Speaker 1: an amazing actor. So to fetish as him just for
Speaker 1: that one scene of him, well, I'm not that's not
Speaker 1: his penis. I don't think I think it is. He
Speaker 1: was too happy about it. Looked like that was his Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just walking around with that thing. It was. It
Speaker 1: was HBO dick. I was gonna do this is a
Speaker 1: little you guys will get all the inside information. I
Speaker 1: was I was I could have done HBO dick for
Speaker 1: my first sex scene, but I did not. But why
Speaker 1: did you say that I could have gave some dick?
Speaker 1: Team maybe don't do dick the first time? And that
Speaker 1: was that's fair, that's fair. I get it. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with one. I feel like you should just anyone
Speaker 1: should just do whatever they want want. It's HBO. If
Speaker 1: you're if you if you're given the opportunity to show
Speaker 1: your your genitals, that's great. Um. I think the second
Speaker 1: time you should just break the seal. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: have sex on high maintenance? There was the implication that
Speaker 1: there would be another time for something of that ILK,
Speaker 1: so I felt they like they complimented me. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be plenty of chances for you
Speaker 1: to show your team, your team, the team. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound weird, but I can't wait for that. Um.
Speaker 1: And with that, we're gonna take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: ride back with Jay Jordan's and what are we back'll
Speaker 1: be back? We're back, Yeah, we're back. Okay. So at
Speaker 1: this point, Bowen, what do we do we? Um? Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: the question the question right, of course, the question being
Speaker 1: Jay What was the culture that made you say culture
Speaker 1: was for you? Bowen explain, this is the m a
Speaker 1: formative culture for you growing up, um, something that really
Speaker 1: was the spark lighter um for the fuse, that was
Speaker 1: the rocket for culture to culture that you were headed ones.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes total sense. I have two
Speaker 1: answers because I heard Bob the Drag Queen did that,
Speaker 1: and so my first answer is the Honey video Thank
Speaker 1: You so Much from the album Butterfly. I can sure
Speaker 1: when anyone talks about this, thank you so Much. One
Speaker 1: of my first c d s was Butterfly. My first CDs,
Speaker 1: the first three CDs I ever had, were puffed out
Speaker 1: in the family no way out the explicit version because
Speaker 1: my mama didn't know my way and Mariah carry Butterfly. Butterfly.
Speaker 1: Now it's easy to say, oh wow, that's like a
Speaker 1: core distialization of like you as a bisexual a number
Speaker 1: of things. It was so formative for me because the
Speaker 1: album cover for Butterfly kind of speaks to the entire
Speaker 1: aesthetic of the Honey video from a tone standpoint, from
Speaker 1: a coloring standpoint, from the hair stair. The hair was
Speaker 1: iconic at that moment. Sexiest Maria. You can imagine this
Speaker 1: is peace divorce, so this is after time. So she went.
Speaker 1: She was acting fully up. And you know many say
Speaker 1: that honey maybe about come, oh honey. I think it
Speaker 1: honey about come Matt. It is the best double entendre
Speaker 1: of a song ever. And I can't describe how good
Speaker 1: it feels inside. It's it's got to become just another
Speaker 1: taste of your honey com anthem. So the video is
Speaker 1: like her as a secret agent and like agent m
Speaker 1: a couple of famous people. Eddie Griffin is in it.
Speaker 1: She is hand she's handcuffed behind a chair, and she
Speaker 1: also speaks to her Venezuelan roots. She speaks Spanish for
Speaker 1: like the first minute of the video. She's doing she's
Speaker 1: acting and she's acting. Mariah is a writer and a singer,
Speaker 1: a mother, but also an actress. And at this point,
Speaker 1: what is she? What is she? First, she's a blessing.
Speaker 1: She's a blessing, a gift Patty. Patty and Mariah are
Speaker 1: like it's like a lineage between them. There's like a
Speaker 1: through line like they're sending you connecting them the same
Speaker 1: way they're sending you connecting. Patty and Jennifer Hudson, Like
Speaker 1: whenever Jennifer Hudson does a scoop into something very like,
Speaker 1: that's her doing a patty like it's so the reason
Speaker 1: I love Mariah in this video is because she's having fun,
Speaker 1: like she's stripping, she's swimming, she's dancing with the beach
Speaker 1: at the very end. Because then you also think, oh, man,
Speaker 1: this hot to the beach and it's not connected, but
Speaker 1: you can pretend like it is. Then my all happens
Speaker 1: and it's a completely different tone, but it feels connected
Speaker 1: because she's on the beach with another hot man, just
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey the Honey video. I was like, whatever this is,
Speaker 1: I'm sexually attracted to it but also like it. But
Speaker 1: I also understand how other people can like this. I
Speaker 1: just want to celebrate this. And I didn't have a
Speaker 1: chair in my room. I shared a room with my
Speaker 1: brother and my sister at this point before my sister
Speaker 1: got her own room. I had this like speaker boom
Speaker 1: box situation. I could put headphones in and I would
Speaker 1: have to like just put the CD in the top
Speaker 1: and like listen to it like on my headphones right
Speaker 1: next to like the speaker system in my room. Also,
Speaker 1: Mora's like, just so walk into the sourus. I learned
Speaker 1: so many words from the words that are vocabulary, got
Speaker 1: the CD booklet with the lyrics booklet, and so then
Speaker 1: that's the first one and the second one is probably animated,
Speaker 1: uh series The X Men on Fox. So those two
Speaker 1: things changed everything for me. Like, this makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, And this is an amazing answer to the
Speaker 1: question because we get two ideas of you as a person,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense without even exploration. But explore we will.
Speaker 1: Those are the two things that I love. Oh, let's start.
Speaker 1: Let's just because we've talked so it's bone. It isn't
Speaker 1: insane how much we've talked about Marie. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of and on everyone's mind right now. Yes, she is.
Speaker 1: I mean that New York Magazine piece was incredible. iRED
Speaker 1: of kind of going into the back cattleg Yesterday, Matt
Speaker 1: and I connected because we were both listening to Emancipation
Speaker 1: of Mimi at the same time. Talked about you guys,
Speaker 1: talked about jumper cables for a career. Hello you wish
Speaker 1: He was like, want something? Yeah, I could. I could
Speaker 1: give you out some anthems if y'all want you wanted,
Speaker 1: you wanted the definition of contemporary R and B, and
Speaker 1: Jermain Dupre was like, we've been cooking up stuff for
Speaker 1: a while. Let's just let's drop it. The Neptunes Kanye
Speaker 1: that was that was a stacked album, like that was
Speaker 1: an incredible and also you know what song gets slept
Speaker 1: on from Emancipation just before before we returned to Butterfly
Speaker 1: say Something, which is something is Snoop dog on It.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the way that says he's gonna suck
Speaker 1: you in the bathroom in that song. And I'm never
Speaker 1: into Snoop, but I'm like, Okay, Snoop your girl and
Speaker 1: wish you knew your girl. You're a girl so good.
Speaker 1: But Jay, but is my culture? That made me say
Speaker 1: culture was from me? Okay? You want to know my
Speaker 1: Butterfly joint that I love? Okay, maybe it's because they're
Speaker 1: back to back when when it goes breakdown into ye Okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the roof, but yo, breakdown is
Speaker 1: hauntingly beautiful. It is uh uh, it's a vivid it's vivid.
Speaker 1: You're talking about my all vividly and blazing in my mind,
Speaker 1: blazing in my but then breakdown into baby Doll is
Speaker 1: one song is about lost, and then one song is
Speaker 1: about longing because like the relationship is over on terms
Speaker 1: she didn't love, and then she still just wants to
Speaker 1: be your baby doll. And allegedly baby Doll, My All
Speaker 1: and the Roof Dry Jeter, Mr Dirk Jeter himself was
Speaker 1: she confirmed this. She confirmed at least My All and
Speaker 1: the New York the New York Magazine art interview. And
Speaker 1: that was a moment because I remember when that song
Speaker 1: came out and a radio DJ was like at the
Speaker 1: time in like ninetie, I'm not even kidding, and this
Speaker 1: is like that when I was so into baseball, so
Speaker 1: you were. I was on Long Island and Dark Teater
Speaker 1: was you couldn't get bigger than Dark Teeter. And also
Speaker 1: Mariah carry a Lions princess, so when it was rumored
Speaker 1: that they were fucking, everyone was on fire. And like
Speaker 1: I remember this song played in the car because they
Speaker 1: used to play jams on the radio and they came
Speaker 1: on It's actually Real Culture number one hundred and nine.
Speaker 1: They used to play sometimes you would get him My
Speaker 1: All on the radio. Now not so much, but I
Speaker 1: remember that the DJ was like you know, rumor is
Speaker 1: that Derek Jeter and Mariah Carry are doing what they
Speaker 1: say in this song late at night. Anyway, this is
Speaker 1: the one hundred and then she started and I was
Speaker 1: just like, wait, hold on, we need to go back.
Speaker 1: Can we can we rewind the radio because I need
Speaker 1: to know everything about Derek Jeter and Mariah don be like,
Speaker 1: I need to know what these two beautiful beige bodies
Speaker 1: are doing at nighttimes. I've never been horn in here.
Speaker 1: Oh no, these two beautiful, like racially ambiguous bodies just
Speaker 1: writhing at their peak. And also, you're so right when
Speaker 1: you're saying Ryan was never hotter. I just recently bought
Speaker 1: her greatest hits vinyl, and inside they have all these
Speaker 1: incredible photos of her from like the hair, just like
Speaker 1: her makeups, beautiful her. She had never sounded better. She
Speaker 1: was like taking classy sexy photos. I was like, she
Speaker 1: really defined to me what like what sex appeal was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But like that image of
Speaker 1: her on that cover, it's just a piece of fabric
Speaker 1: and a belly chain and then a butterfly and hair
Speaker 1: and like she's playing with monochromatic earth tones just and
Speaker 1: just like this beautiful image. So like Mariah Carey Honey video, Butterfly,
Speaker 1: but Honey videos specifically, and then the X Men because
Speaker 1: they were different, they were born different. What makes X
Speaker 1: Men the nineties Fox animated series the superior series to you?
Speaker 1: Over like um, X Men Evolution like the other iterations too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but please, I just want to hear it from you
Speaker 1: because I don't really like I need some context. I
Speaker 1: need to like sort of be like brought up to
Speaker 1: speed on. Okay, So you have X Men Evolution, you
Speaker 1: have Wolverine and the X Men. You have the failed
Speaker 1: pilot Pride of the X Men, which was before all
Speaker 1: of them. Pride of the X Men launched the Arcade
Speaker 1: games where you see like a couple of iterations of
Speaker 1: the team where it's like Storm, Dazzler, Cyclops not Crawlos.
Speaker 1: I remember that. So you play that game. The character
Speaker 1: models are based on that, and that was a very
Speaker 1: kind of like early eighties team. The thing about the
Speaker 1: series is they use the designs from the highest selling
Speaker 1: common book of all time, which was Jim Lee, Chris
Speaker 1: Claremont and I forget who was the incher, but Uncanny
Speaker 1: X Men like number one and it sold eight point
Speaker 1: one million copies. Like, if it's one thing Maria and
Speaker 1: the X Men gonna do, it's gonna go platinum. So
Speaker 1: they sold at least they sold eight million copies of
Speaker 1: this compot. It's the most important common book to Marvel
Speaker 1: at the time. Marvel was like, whatever people want from
Speaker 1: the X Men, they can do. So there were all
Speaker 1: these titles that spanned out of it, and the team
Speaker 1: was so important. They split the team up into the
Speaker 1: Blue Team and the Gold Team, and so the series
Speaker 1: just said, we want to take all of some of
Speaker 1: the favorite parts from that comic book and make that
Speaker 1: into a series, which was crazy because you go, wait this,
Speaker 1: but just like just happened. They're not like going back
Speaker 1: to nine three to do like the original five X Men,
Speaker 1: not going like the eighties for the outback team. They're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you the X Men that just like
Speaker 1: sold out two years or two three years ago. And
Speaker 1: so they put together like a like a beautiful mashup team.
Speaker 1: The first two episodes nine, the Sentinels were so important
Speaker 1: because the character dies. You think you found out season
Speaker 1: two he didn't die, but a character dies like they're
Speaker 1: going on a mission that's supposed to not like result
Speaker 1: in anyone dying, and Morph gets shot and then goes away,
Speaker 1: and you see like Cyclops in Wolf Ring get into it.
Speaker 1: You believe who like kind of represents you with the
Speaker 1: viewer because you're a younger kid, and you believe is
Speaker 1: like them all rat who's like, I'm gonna do what
Speaker 1: I want. It's so good. It's just so from that
Speaker 1: point on, I had those two you could get the
Speaker 1: cassettes at Pizza Hut in like a box. I had
Speaker 1: like the two sets with like a specialized like before
Speaker 1: and after message from like Stanley the Creator, and I
Speaker 1: got those at Pizza Hut. I like had like so
Speaker 1: many passion figures, so it's just wow. And then from
Speaker 1: a message tonally, it's like a young black kid in
Speaker 1: Mississippi who maybe didn't have a way to articulate he
Speaker 1: was queer, but definitely knew I loved Mariah Carey at
Speaker 1: that point or not even that point, but that was
Speaker 1: ninety two, but like knew I liked doing stuff with
Speaker 1: my mom and I wasn't always picked first for stuff,
Speaker 1: and like I ran kind of silly and like maybe
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's going on, but like to
Speaker 1: have like a team and like for them to be like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, you're just more different and they have like
Speaker 1: Storm be like a black super heroine. It was you
Speaker 1: can't write that stuff. I mean they did, but it
Speaker 1: was very but they did. Wait, but who who? Who
Speaker 1: do you identify with most? So I watched me, watched
Speaker 1: me piss people off with this. I I am a
Speaker 1: big Iceman fan. One of the very most of the
Speaker 1: queer one came out because of Brown Michael bend This
Speaker 1: A lot of writers had had a bunch of subtext
Speaker 1: kind of skirting the issue came out, I want to
Speaker 1: say in two thousand twelve. It was two thousand fifteen.
Speaker 1: He came out, and he deflects with humor. He's more
Speaker 1: powerful than he could ever imagine he's but he's also
Speaker 1: like very much a guy that just wants to go
Speaker 1: along with the flow, a bunch of failed relationships with women.
Speaker 1: Also like is hot, but like surprisingly like like some
Speaker 1: comics you'd be like, Bobby, get out of here, but
Speaker 1: in some comics you'd be like, Bobby, what's going on? Well,
Speaker 1: they made him hot and straight in the movies, but
Speaker 1: in the in the movie the next two it was
Speaker 1: like that scene where he comes out, so like it's
Speaker 1: kind of late on thick, but it's it's it's it's great.
Speaker 1: It's like at the time it was kind of like
Speaker 1: the wink to from Brian Singer to yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: a whole Hans are our lovely Hans says in the movie.
Speaker 1: In the X Men movie, Iceman is also the one
Speaker 1: whose parents asked have you tried not being a mutant?
Speaker 1: With very queer subtext. So, yes, we're referring to that
Speaker 1: scene Bobby's mom and X two X Men United, after
Speaker 1: he like freezes the coffee and the cat starts to
Speaker 1: look at it like she's like, what have you ever
Speaker 1: tried not being me? And then his brother calls the
Speaker 1: police on that and like outs them and like tries
Speaker 1: to get Bobby taken away. Yes, Bobby is anti cop.
Speaker 1: Oh and you know, Pyros really anti copy blows up
Speaker 1: the car that people should do that because you get
Speaker 1: in trouble. But so when you're when you're when you're
Speaker 1: watching X Men and you're running weird and doing things
Speaker 1: with mom and loving Mariah, at what point do you
Speaker 1: realize because I I've only that must have been very
Speaker 1: confusing for a kid to realize bisexuality. Oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that sexuality was an option until I was in college.
Speaker 1: And some real well because I didn't have an experience
Speaker 1: with a guy until college, because I had girlfriends in
Speaker 1: high school. I had like a girlfriend my junior year
Speaker 1: that went to problem with that, had like a girlfriend
Speaker 1: for part of my senior year, and I had like
Speaker 1: really close friendships. And sometimes I think I coded my
Speaker 1: queerness by just being like, man, it, dude, so cool.
Speaker 1: Don't you guys want to meet the cool that he's
Speaker 1: from a different school, He's got stories we don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he knows girls that we don't know. But also
Speaker 1: he probably should tell us what his parents do for
Speaker 1: a living, because it seems like a very nice house.
Speaker 1: That's so, you had girlfriends all pretty much throughout your
Speaker 1: like like and like I'm talking like fully attracted to girls,
Speaker 1: attracted to girls, consummated the relationship commation. Had a very
Speaker 1: American prom night. Let's just say the junior year, but
Speaker 1: senior year I also had a very American prom night
Speaker 1: because we thought the whole night, so that is very American.
Speaker 1: That's very While the pray played in the Nissan armand
Speaker 1: year was two thousand six, Don't do me, spot On?
Speaker 1: Spot On, How did you know how to save a life?
Speaker 1: Tell j not go to problem with I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say her name on here, but just that's how you
Speaker 1: save a life that time travel and be like, y'all
Speaker 1: don't have to go to problem together just because y'all
Speaker 1: are like cool, Like y'all y'all are gonna fight. I
Speaker 1: remember I went. I went to go see the freight
Speaker 1: um at Jones Beach with one of my male straight friends,
Speaker 1: just he and I and like we ran into people
Speaker 1: from high school there, and everyone was like, what the
Speaker 1: funk are you doing on a date together? The fray?
Speaker 1: And I felt so bad that the kid had come
Speaker 1: with me because I was like, he didn't have to
Speaker 1: do this, but he really liked the fray. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Nicolie to a woman. Fray in the car. That's
Speaker 1: something I miss. The phrase when the frame would come
Speaker 1: out in the car. That's what it gets you to
Speaker 1: Jones Beach. That's it's a straight boys in the car
Speaker 1: in the car in the car and the car was
Speaker 1: then you just said yellow card and that was the
Speaker 1: card to say, that was the card to pull I'm
Speaker 1: calling on your red car ocean avenue in Mississippi. But
Speaker 1: guess what, I listened to it like we did. We
Speaker 1: had one and I slept where I grew up. We
Speaker 1: had an ocean avenue, and I felt very alive whenever
Speaker 1: it would come on. The PHRA was the PHRA was
Speaker 1: a huge deal for for for Denver because they were
Speaker 1: from Denver and we sort of wore a culturally barren
Speaker 1: place at that point, and um, it was just a
Speaker 1: very big deal that they had made it big over
Speaker 1: my head in the car. That is like that takes
Speaker 1: you back over my head. People say how to save
Speaker 1: a life, but over my head. So that was honestly,
Speaker 1: his voice was great. That sound was amazing. That was
Speaker 1: really over my head, cable that was everyone knows middle Night.
Speaker 1: And then you know what happened was he was smart
Speaker 1: vocally structurally sound. He yeah, I know, he was a singer.
Speaker 1: And you know why they blew the funk up was
Speaker 1: because how to Save a Life was in graze and
Speaker 1: at to me they were big then once how to
Speaker 1: Save a Life because at that point, how do you
Speaker 1: know what happened? Because the season two finale made Snow
Speaker 1: Patrol chasing cars, and then the season three promos all
Speaker 1: featured how to Save a Life. I'm almost positive now
Speaker 1: how to Save a Life was pre season two, was
Speaker 1: was in season two, but when it was getting good
Speaker 1: in the second half of season two, they were showing
Speaker 1: it during during promos. Then that's right, that's right, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. I might smoke a joint and watch
Speaker 1: second half of season two episodes of Grace. Tonight, Baby
Speaker 1: Get Grace. It's actually real culture number fifty praise um.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask a sort of a dumb ass
Speaker 1: question about bisexuality, but this is something that I'm curious about.
Speaker 1: Is there so so in college you you haven't experienced guys.
Speaker 1: It's confirmed that you enjoy you enjoy men, But it's like,
Speaker 1: is there this like period where like the full grum
Speaker 1: shifts a little, You're you're not sure where it lands,
Speaker 1: and then and then it like lands somewhere, and then
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I'm buying, Like where where it's like
Speaker 1: you can eat you're able to sort of stand firm
Speaker 1: in that identity. I had like a really good time
Speaker 1: with a few guys in college, but then I still
Speaker 1: find myself like when no one was watching like no,
Speaker 1: like no, this wasn't performative, like still like messaging girls
Speaker 1: and like talking to girls and like hooking up with girls.
Speaker 1: I had a summer where I like put on a
Speaker 1: little bit of muscle and so I was I was
Speaker 1: like one of the first. It was the first of
Speaker 1: many a hot girl summer. The cows came home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cat came. The cows came home to home in Mississippi.
Speaker 1: So at one point someone was like, well, you like
Speaker 1: you've definitely like you've I've seen like that you hooked
Speaker 1: up with guys, Like why are you still like hitting
Speaker 1: on me? I was like, cannot like do both and
Speaker 1: me saying that to that person, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I mean sure, but are they like yeah, sure or
Speaker 1: have you faced that? People sometimes are weird out or
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with it because I'm so okay with people shorthanding
Speaker 1: me being a male bisexual to saying gay if the
Speaker 1: intentions are pure, if it's like just like you saying
Speaker 1: that from a catch all kind of grab bag territory,
Speaker 1: it's one syllable. It queer is also one syllable. But
Speaker 1: then people are like, I'm not an academic um, but
Speaker 1: it's true. So I think that there have been people
Speaker 1: that are like, well, like I don't really believe what
Speaker 1: Jay is saying because he's dating a guy and he's
Speaker 1: at the guy for so long. But then I'm also like, well,
Speaker 1: you all know the YouTube search history or like what.
Speaker 1: It's just a very it's a fear that I don't
Speaker 1: have as much anymore because I'm very much grounded in
Speaker 1: my truth and my kind of internal attraction to things.
Speaker 1: So like if someone's like, oh, Jay is secretly lying,
Speaker 1: I was like, like, but what's the benefit of the lie.
Speaker 1: I've already been like, I stucked a few dicks, You've
Speaker 1: you've given up whatever. The inherent power and heteronormative culture
Speaker 1: is if the minute you're like, man, I get come on.
Speaker 1: So it's just at this point we all have to
Speaker 1: be we all have to sort of agree on this,
Speaker 1: on this on the same set of facts or terms
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is just that like get the whole
Speaker 1: like subtrafuge, like deceit element out of any kind of
Speaker 1: queer identity where it's like it's like you know, I
Speaker 1: mean not to fully extrapolate this into like territory that
Speaker 1: like maybe none of us have like experience in but
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when the kneegric reaction for a
Speaker 1: trans person, for a trans person coming out as being like, oh,
Speaker 1: then you're like you've been lying to us the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's like wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait, there's no there's no lie here, there's no deceit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no deceit. It's like it's like and that kind
Speaker 1: of gets thrown up by people a lot, I feel, yeah,
Speaker 1: and picularly particularly by men and buy men of color
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But then there's also the other end
Speaker 1: of the spectrum as far as like attraction to buy men,
Speaker 1: where it's like it's like you're fetishized. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: think that when someone says thereby go oh, that's cool,
Speaker 1: and then if they say it again, be like, okay,
Speaker 1: do you you want something you want like a PRIs
Speaker 1: I'm down for it. I wish everyone the best. I
Speaker 1: also think that like, the more I mean, the more
Speaker 1: people will come out a is bisexual, the more helpful
Speaker 1: it is. September is technically bisexual Awareness month. Did you
Speaker 1: guys know that? I did not know that. It's because
Speaker 1: September doesn't know if it wants to be summer or fall.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Is that one
Speaker 1: of your Is that one of your jokes or is
Speaker 1: that a real fact? No, because it was like the
Speaker 1: or the twenty three, and they kept moving it and
Speaker 1: then someone was like, just pick no, it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was actually a day in September, and then it
Speaker 1: got like stretched out to a week and now there
Speaker 1: were this year. They were like, ain't nobody doing nothing?
Speaker 1: No way, you really are? Can I say, like, as
Speaker 1: a stand up you really are a joke fucking machine?
Speaker 1: Is nuts? You really are really good and I we've
Speaker 1: seen you be good for so many years. But I
Speaker 1: remember I went to I was doing um I think
Speaker 1: game show with David atfl and I saw you do
Speaker 1: your new faces and now you shined. You really did.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank That means a lot because I really
Speaker 1: want people to say, oh, my gosh, she's such a
Speaker 1: good joke writer and he's so charismatic, because what happens
Speaker 1: sometimes for black comedians and for queer people that are
Speaker 1: performance they'll go, oh, you're so charismatic, and you go
Speaker 1: that was also well written. Yeah, you don't have to
Speaker 1: like treat me like a black quarterback and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's such a good athlete. Know he's good at his job.
Speaker 1: That happens with pore people. Sometimes it also happens with women.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, you're so rowdy. You'll be like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: You're just one of the It's whenever people start going
Speaker 1: I like her because she's not like and they say
Speaker 1: another female comedians and then you're like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing with all these like loaded compliments that just tear
Speaker 1: down other people? That is sure, it's sassy. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm giving you like a joke on TV,
Speaker 1: just just just take pick up on and putting down.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what we were saying before about people needing
Speaker 1: labels to feel comfortable, or to feel smart, or to
Speaker 1: feel informed on the topic. It's like comedy audiences when
Speaker 1: they see, like, let's just say, for example, a black
Speaker 1: woman on stage, there is this inherent thing I think
Speaker 1: among modern comedy audiences because they haven't been given the
Speaker 1: space to to be like, oh, this is gonna be fun,
Speaker 1: her energy is gonna be really good, but just based
Speaker 1: because she's a black woman, or like a gay comic
Speaker 1: going up on stage. Oh, this is gonna be bitchy.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of celebrities and stuff in here,
Speaker 1: or like, you know whatever, just judging things based on
Speaker 1: whatever anyone's like identity is that takes to the stage.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, actually, there's a lot of skill that
Speaker 1: goes into this, and I'm happy that you thought it
Speaker 1: was fun for whatever reason that you came into this with.
Speaker 1: But I hope you leave it being like, oh, that
Speaker 1: comedy made me think was impressive to me an x
Speaker 1: y Z, not just because a gay person was up
Speaker 1: there and spoke with a loud voice and um, you know,
Speaker 1: shake his ass a little bit. I think because because
Speaker 1: I think, no, that's not what you do. But I
Speaker 1: literally will care any song that you put out because
Speaker 1: I'm usually like, this is also a very good you're
Speaker 1: going to build to something this song. This song ain't
Speaker 1: on accident. It's never on accident. I would never put
Speaker 1: out a song that was an accident. And you're never
Speaker 1: gonna see any any You're never see nothing from me
Speaker 1: that's not gonna pay off. You know what They'll say
Speaker 1: to my boyfriend sometimes and once he says, we uplift
Speaker 1: the community that has definitely been marginalized, and we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we are celebrating and protect protecting them.
Speaker 1: Let's go trad true to like me, Bet you didn't
Speaker 1: not bet you didn't know. A lot people don't know something.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. And if you don't
Speaker 1: know this reference, you can go see my Uh. What
Speaker 1: happened was Taylor Swift leaked an album, she leaked Lover
Speaker 1: back before she changed it all out because we knew
Speaker 1: we got her number with the queer pandering. But she
Speaker 1: there was an album that she put out called The
Speaker 1: First Lover. You can see that on my Twitter First
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Lover, Matt Rogers google a bit.
Speaker 1: It's very very good. And so in that same vein,
Speaker 1: what I like to do is I like to be
Speaker 1: like a craftsman. I like to like okay, so like
Speaker 1: so like play right, like the end of the word right.
Speaker 1: You're like in a guild, you like create something. So
Speaker 1: whenever I put together a joke, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: structurally sound. I try to be on the right side morally.
Speaker 1: I never try to get an easy victory out of
Speaker 1: a joke. And because there's so many I just have
Speaker 1: so many places to play. I can play with queerness,
Speaker 1: I can play with fish out of water, I can
Speaker 1: play with being black, I can play with being kind
Speaker 1: of a nerd. I can play with being in a relationship.
Speaker 1: There's so many elements of me that I think are congruous,
Speaker 1: and through that friction comedy is created that I just
Speaker 1: continue to try to write that way, and I always go,
Speaker 1: would I be happy if this is the joke that
Speaker 1: blew up? Because you gotta let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: You don't get to choose which joke blows up. And
Speaker 1: when the joke blows up, what happens when people share
Speaker 1: it and people and you're like, I don't, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't that's not me. Yeah, that's so said. The
Speaker 1: context of it all, and how you know, when you're
Speaker 1: a prolific comedian, when you're someone that's been doing this
Speaker 1: for a very long time, sometimes it is a little
Speaker 1: weird what catches on or what you feel like you
Speaker 1: have to explain and what you don't have to explain,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It says a lot about
Speaker 1: the way that you're received and your comedy has received.
Speaker 1: When something does well and you're like, that's got to
Speaker 1: be a fluke. It's not really a fluke, or also
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shared so much. Consumption matters. People find out
Speaker 1: the hard way people. I mean some people had to
Speaker 1: go to Africa when they got upset with who was
Speaker 1: laughing super hard at some of their right material. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, come matter, So who's look like, who's
Speaker 1: celebrating what you're saying about marginalized groups? And be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, y'all laughing too hard for me? Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It's about taking responsibility for the reaction you want out
Speaker 1: of an audience. And you wrote this, you don't even
Speaker 1: get to be like, who wrote this? You did? I
Speaker 1: also just really really like the idea that like, uh,
Speaker 1: as a stand up I'm like the writer, the performer,
Speaker 1: the performer, the editor, the director uh and like the
Speaker 1: first kind of reviewer of it, because I can go
Speaker 1: through like multiple drafts of jokes. There are things So Bowen,
Speaker 1: I saw you in February and then I saw I
Speaker 1: secretly saw you in March. You a dad Jai hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah you had to dip and so like I got
Speaker 1: the closest show out and I have jokes that I'm
Speaker 1: happy with from March because I wrote a bunch of
Speaker 1: new stuff, like the stuff now none of it is
Speaker 1: from the album, but like I wrote a bunch of
Speaker 1: new stuff and like December, in January and February, and
Speaker 1: then like I got to see, like these jokes that
Speaker 1: I was doing in March, I can see what if
Speaker 1: they're making the cut in September. And because because you're
Speaker 1: just putting that care into the process early on, like
Speaker 1: from the from the beginning. Yeah, I try, you do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but Matt, you and I saw
Speaker 1: j at flame Con when we like kind of host
Speaker 1: I loved that flame Colm with you show that I
Speaker 1: got to do. I don't think so, honey. And you
Speaker 1: picked Sailor Moon and I said, I don't think so, honey. Serena,
Speaker 1: take care of your damn cat the English name, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Luna is tired of your men. Luna's frowning
Speaker 1: and grimacing all the damn day at you. You must
Speaker 1: have been filling yourself at flame Con. That's like, it's
Speaker 1: that was, that's that is fish in the barrel, but
Speaker 1: in the best way. Because anything that I write where
Speaker 1: I'm like they don't want to hear tim and Ites
Speaker 1: on X Men. That crowd was like, yes, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was so fun. I bought a bunch of erotic art
Speaker 1: at that. You did you did know that that crowd
Speaker 1: is great? That he was some hot stuff. It was
Speaker 1: it was the buff stuff for the Disney stuff. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Disney stuff. It was like it was like
Speaker 1: superhero stuff. It was like night Wing with a huge
Speaker 1: throb Yeah, yeah, yeah, phenomenal. That crowd is great because
Speaker 1: all you have to do is like mentioned Final Fantasy
Speaker 1: and then they like come in their pants. It's great.
Speaker 1: And but and it's like, oh, like and these are
Speaker 1: my people, Like I like, this is like a side
Speaker 1: of me that I don't get to like sort of show.
Speaker 1: And because so much of gaming, like the rumor and
Speaker 1: the talk about gaming, is this this toxic, evil, straight
Speaker 1: cystender male culture. And like you as a little kid
Speaker 1: that wanted to play with all the female characters on
Speaker 1: Tech and you're like, that's not me. I wanted to
Speaker 1: play with Lynchall You like, she could do a couple
Speaker 1: of back flips. It's like I was get because he
Speaker 1: can teleport and a sword, he could he can bounce
Speaker 1: on the sword bounce. Also he was he was one
Speaker 1: of the characters that, like like other characters, had different costumes,
Speaker 1: had different clothings. Mitsu had a different look. It was
Speaker 1: a different era. Yes, at one point he was a bug.
Speaker 1: He was a she. She just had different existences. He'd
Speaker 1: had to be a bug, or he'd be like an android,
Speaker 1: or he'd be like a god. I mean it was
Speaker 1: Yoshi means he was the best. He's been very, very
Speaker 1: queer because he was just a shape shifter in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, so very queer in that sense to me. Um.
Speaker 1: And then Hans says, bouncing looked like whacking. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the bouncing looked like the sword. It was a little
Speaker 1: fat like, but you it was a double grap. It
Speaker 1: was a big sort. I always enjoyed um. Whenever I
Speaker 1: was playing Super Smash Brothers, I would always enjoy playing
Speaker 1: as Zelda because she could turn into che yes. And
Speaker 1: this was a queer narrative I felt, was that she
Speaker 1: sort of the very the feminine masculine, the play there
Speaker 1: um and the sort of disappearing the chest binding. How
Speaker 1: many the entire idea of Zelda Link and Zelda from
Speaker 1: an aesthetic standpoint, you understand how many couples look like
Speaker 1: and they're just to me is when a couple looks
Speaker 1: like Lincoln Zelda, it's a run for the hills moment.
Speaker 1: That was a good test. It's okay for them to
Speaker 1: be white. I mean, Matt, it's okay for them be white. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying there shouldn't be two blonds in a relationship.
Speaker 1: That is horrifying to me. I just started watching Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Dallas and there's a redhead couple. They're both
Speaker 1: I've never seen no, I've seen that once. I've seen
Speaker 1: that one Dallas. I'm enjoying it. Joe Joel Kim booster
Speaker 1: Um is I think the only person who like stands
Speaker 1: The Housewives with Dallas. But I would. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was born and raised on Atlanta. That Atlanta is like,
Speaker 1: it's like kind of a touchstone. I'm kept up a
Speaker 1: little bit. With Potomac. We need to talk because you
Speaker 1: just had Monique on the podcast. Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is a segway into the podcast, but can you tell
Speaker 1: us what Monique Samuels was like from Real Houts of
Speaker 1: Potomac on the rear view, You guys are gonna lose
Speaker 1: your mind. When I tell you so calm, so chill,
Speaker 1: very appreciative of queer fans, very aware of queer d
Speaker 1: C also glowing, like just glowing beautiful beautiful told us
Speaker 1: the story about to Chola escaping and coming back and
Speaker 1: how to got away, but no, someone saw the bird
Speaker 1: and then she said to Chola came back to her
Speaker 1: and like then she got to hug him, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be hugged, but she So the reason
Speaker 1: she was on the podcast was because she's an important
Speaker 1: She's important. Uh, she's an important character or person on
Speaker 1: the Real House was a potomac. But also she was
Speaker 1: getting in front of what we kind of hinted at
Speaker 1: being a villain edit. But yeah, I haven't watched the
Speaker 1: latest episode and someone said something happens that may make
Speaker 1: me think it's not a villain edit because if they
Speaker 1: have the footage, they can't it can only they can
Speaker 1: only show you doing what you did. So I have
Speaker 1: watched the episod it from this week. Did you watch
Speaker 1: a bone last night? I'm one behind. I didn't watch,
Speaker 1: so suffice it to say that, and I'm speaking of
Speaker 1: someone who's like pretty team Monique. I'm last last night
Speaker 1: at all, Yeah, here's the thing. I think Cannice is
Speaker 1: an amazing housewife. I just feel like it's like there,
Speaker 1: she is the aggressor in so many situations like that,
Speaker 1: it's hard to point the finger anyone else. However, she
Speaker 1: is so much fun. And something happened last night where
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Monique is the definition of bothered. Actually
Speaker 1: she's not unbothered at all, but there's something, something is
Speaker 1: under her skin. The Monique can be bought where we
Speaker 1: can give her permission to be bothered the candidates. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if someone, ultimately someone on this season
Speaker 1: is going to pop off and it's going to become physical,
Speaker 1: and it's hinting that Monique to me, is going to
Speaker 1: be the one that loses it. But I'm also very
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that and I said this to
Speaker 1: Patrick because Patrick Rogers, who's one of the co hosts
Speaker 1: of The rear View, my relation no relation only in
Speaker 1: my house of Rogers. However, we are the house and um,
Speaker 1: I said, because he doesn't really watch Potomac or housewives.
Speaker 1: And I said, here's what you need to know. She's
Speaker 1: getting a villainett it and you need to find out
Speaker 1: how she's feeling about it because it's unfolding before our eyes.
Speaker 1: And I said, that must feel so crazy to watch
Speaker 1: yourself get the villain at it. Like we've had some
Speaker 1: reality contestants on the show before, and I asked about
Speaker 1: what it's like to get a specific kind of edit. Well,
Speaker 1: we've never had someone on that specifically gotten a villain
Speaker 1: at it, So I wanted to know, like, does she
Speaker 1: have anything to say about that. So Candice the season before,
Speaker 1: you remember when she was pregnant, She's like, I'll drag
Speaker 1: you pregnant. That moment kind of said Okay, Monique can
Speaker 1: get aggressive, but she doesn't have to be. And then
Speaker 1: she said, look at the way Candice has been acting
Speaker 1: early in this season. So she pointed at like the
Speaker 1: kind of like how she treats Ashley. She pointed at
Speaker 1: the fact that like she always seems to be in
Speaker 1: the middle of a little bit of mess. She pointed
Speaker 1: the relationship with her mother, so there of like receipts
Speaker 1: that she had that made me go, okay, so you've
Speaker 1: definitely you're making your case. And Canada's also just I
Speaker 1: she likes the way that she's being perceived on the show.
Speaker 1: You know, what I mean is very comfortable with her
Speaker 1: positions and like those kind of like those titles flip
Speaker 1: flop a lot, like if you would have At at
Speaker 1: one point I was like, oh, yeah, I love Padre,
Speaker 1: and then there was one season when I was like,
Speaker 1: Padre is evil, literally like the worst kind of person,
Speaker 1: and even said, well, now I'm the dog on villain.
Speaker 1: And so there are their moments where they can shift
Speaker 1: not have to see. It's just like Real Housewife is
Speaker 1: one of those things where I go, why out, this
Speaker 1: is really interesting to watch and thank goodness I'm not
Speaker 1: a part of it. Yeah right, I think it's so.
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting to watch the social dynamics
Speaker 1: in all these different like locales out so differently to
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's just so interesting. Like
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for salt Lake, and we we talked
Speaker 1: about how we wanted a trailer last week, and the
Speaker 1: trailer came out and came out. I'm really surprised by
Speaker 1: what it looks to It looks much more interesting than
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. I was interested in salt
Speaker 1: Lake when I found out about the grandmother's ex husband. Girl,
Speaker 1: this is the craziest ship I've ever heard, I was like,
Speaker 1: and then for it to be like a black girl,
Speaker 1: I was like, who are at this? Mary Crosby, Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the consciousness Mary. And then she she used
Speaker 1: to be Pentecostal or something. It's like the Yeah she
Speaker 1: was like a first lady or something of this of
Speaker 1: some mega church. Yeah that that the grandmother's that her
Speaker 1: grandfather Like like what was that? Head of? Like we've
Speaker 1: had it's it's perfect. What would it take for you
Speaker 1: to marry a member of you? Who know? What would it?
Speaker 1: What would it take for your grandmother to die? And
Speaker 1: for your reaction to be I gotta get my I
Speaker 1: gotta get my grandmother's husband's stick. Natalie Walker talks about
Speaker 1: how Every Housewives Spran Tries is a different like Shakespeare play,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, like this it is Shakespeare in
Speaker 1: the way that these things play out, where like people
Speaker 1: come in like saying and then completely unravel or it's
Speaker 1: like you know, uh yeah, but it's also just a
Speaker 1: very look We're gonna look back on this and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. We are just like looked at these
Speaker 1: things and we said keep going. And it was well,
Speaker 1: and some aspects I love it and sm aspects, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't fix it. I can't fix it.
Speaker 1: I'm here in New York. I actually have it. I
Speaker 1: have a different take on this. I disagree that it's
Speaker 1: like a bad thing. Like no, no, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you guys are saying that. But like I think like
Speaker 1: there's a public sort of like um popular notion about
Speaker 1: the housewives are the real housewives that it's like the
Speaker 1: trash even worse than Kardashians, etcetera, Like like it's just women,
Speaker 1: desperate women who like have like alcohol problems or whatever
Speaker 1: problems in their life, like fighting each other. It's bad
Speaker 1: for women, etcetera. I think that's like something you hear
Speaker 1: about it a lot before you start watching. For me,
Speaker 1: I actually think the way it's helped me is I'm
Speaker 1: actually not afraid of conflict at all now, because I'm
Speaker 1: not even kidding you. I admire the way, and this
Speaker 1: is because they say a lot of the ship that
Speaker 1: they talk on camera, so they have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: But I admire the way they'll turn to someone and
Speaker 1: say even if it doesn't always go great or they
Speaker 1: don't say it correct. I like when people say I
Speaker 1: feel this way about a particular thing. This is why,
Speaker 1: and this is why I'm talking to you about it.
Speaker 1: I admire that because I think that so much like
Speaker 1: in interpersonal relationships, like if you are a people pleaser,
Speaker 1: or if you are someone who, like you know, wants
Speaker 1: everyone to be happy all the time, or you're someone
Speaker 1: that just isn't comfortable expressing yourself. It's something aspirational about
Speaker 1: being like, no, you know what, these are my emotions.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take up space with it because it's
Speaker 1: important and you can deal with it the way you're
Speaker 1: going to deal with it, and at the very least,
Speaker 1: it shows a what not to do about how to
Speaker 1: resolve you know what I mean? You know what, Matt,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think there are definitely moments where in
Speaker 1: real life you should be able to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: screw the niceties, this is what you did that was
Speaker 1: inappropriate to our group of friends, own up to this publicly,
Speaker 1: and I have to say it this loud so you
Speaker 1: know that we all mean it. Yeah, because gay people
Speaker 1: might gave people need to do that more. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: if you're a gay friend, is being problematic If you're
Speaker 1: a gay friend, is trafficking in misogyny, if your gay
Speaker 1: friend is trafficking and like transphobia, racism, like respectability politics.
Speaker 1: I would even say being a centrist right now if
Speaker 1: you have friends like that and be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone has told you, but I'm here
Speaker 1: to tell you cut that ship out right now. I
Speaker 1: have a few things to add. Um, it's so interesting
Speaker 1: that you say that to you because I have this
Speaker 1: This is kind of maybe gross to admit, but I've
Speaker 1: had I've had fantasies of housewives, asked confrontations that I
Speaker 1: initiate with friends who are to have transgressed for those
Speaker 1: those exact and those exact ways that you've just listed
Speaker 1: to Jay, and I'm just like, I want to just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, cut that out, and like you and
Speaker 1: I actually don't share the same values and you should
Speaker 1: stop this, and I'm actually not interested in being your friend.
Speaker 1: Which I don't know if that's like housewives, but it's
Speaker 1: just like I see that as the as I see
Speaker 1: that as the presentational sort of like style in my
Speaker 1: own mind. Whatever to the reason I say it won't end, well,
Speaker 1: it's just because I feel like with certain housewives it's
Speaker 1: like with the lou Wands and with the like certain
Speaker 1: there are certain case studies where um, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just a little dark. But overall, I feel like the
Speaker 1: value of of this, of this whole sort of series
Speaker 1: and these franchises is that it demystifies wealth. For me,
Speaker 1: it's like, all these people don't lack anything, or I'm
Speaker 1: not lacking anything that these people have, you know, if
Speaker 1: that's interesting totally and they're living relatively normal lives. It
Speaker 1: also helps to create and this same selfish as people
Speaker 1: who work in entertainment. It creates camp without even knowing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you go, because they're dead serious and commitment
Speaker 1: to that is absurd. When reflected back through a certain lens,
Speaker 1: you go, oh my good, you believe this. I love her?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I laugh out loud all the time watching
Speaker 1: it because of throwaway lines like when people don't realize
Speaker 1: like when Candice said last year I invite her to
Speaker 1: my home, I gave her a beverage. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's that's genius to me. And also when they keep
Speaker 1: showing that she got on Twitter and said in all caps,
Speaker 1: where is your income? Roach? I mean that to me,
Speaker 1: what's She's one of a kind, and ultimately it's like it. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: Candice is the reason for this, for the season, and
Speaker 1: she is the reason for all the problems. And what's
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to is how much can Monique take.
Speaker 1: Matt makes fun of me for Twitter, and I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes I get into Candice territory because I will
Speaker 1: act up on Twitter. Not know, I love it, It's
Speaker 1: the only place to act. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: ever called anyone a rote, but like today, herschel Walker's
Speaker 1: son said some stupid conservative bullshit, and I like, I
Speaker 1: had to light his He's a little he's a little
Speaker 1: queer by racial kids, so I had to be like this,
Speaker 1: ain't girl done every well? You posted a Twitter poll
Speaker 1: today should I act up? Or should I act all
Speaker 1: the way up? And I was like, you should act
Speaker 1: all the way up? People wanted me that what way?
Speaker 1: What did you? People wanted me to act in? Because like,
Speaker 1: it's fine, I'm not doing anything dangerous. No justister typing,
Speaker 1: what can you do? Last? What hapage? Could you do? Really?
Speaker 1: To eighty? I'm just you know, you're gonna see the
Speaker 1: outline of some things. That's it. Yeah, I mean my
Speaker 1: fare way. Oh wow, And Jason that that that plus
Speaker 1: button on the tweet he's adding to the thread. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're Sometimes I've done that if it's like,
Speaker 1: if it's like something I'm like really passionate about, Like
Speaker 1: I would have done it about versus. I would have
Speaker 1: done it about mart carry the X men. I would
Speaker 1: do it if someone had something negative to say about
Speaker 1: one of y'all, I'd be like, hold on, I know
Speaker 1: that I would do the same for you. Because here's
Speaker 1: something crazy that people don't know now. And I never
Speaker 1: want to be the person who pulls up a ladder
Speaker 1: behind them. But now a lot of people see what
Speaker 1: folks do and see what folks did and think it's easy,
Speaker 1: and I have to say it ain't. Don't get don't
Speaker 1: get on don't get on Twitter and get your thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers real quick because because you're white and have
Speaker 1: a symmetrical face, and then think that you're in the
Speaker 1: talks for things. Some of these kids, some of these
Speaker 1: kids are like two years into doing comedy and think
Speaker 1: whereas where my gifts were my treats? It's like, babe,
Speaker 1: and where are your credits? That's okay? Okay, that it
Speaker 1: is it. I honestly think that I think social media
Speaker 1: makes everything look easier than it is. And that's just
Speaker 1: really that, you know what I mean, Like I just
Speaker 1: but I mean, but but there's a new phenomenon of
Speaker 1: and and and man. I've talked about this, I've taught
Speaker 1: I talked about this with Joshua here and Jackson all
Speaker 1: the time. There's this thing of like of like of
Speaker 1: like thinking that you are on a certain track to
Speaker 1: get things when it's like no, like look at the
Speaker 1: people like the Jeff Hiller's the Darcy card, and it's
Speaker 1: the people who have like stuck with it for so
Speaker 1: long and now they're blowing the funk up because they
Speaker 1: like invested in community, in a community to invested in
Speaker 1: there like fundamental career things and you like you don't
Speaker 1: talk enough about like okay, so that come from a
Speaker 1: theatrical background. I have like a b F A and
Speaker 1: m F A. So I did all of that before
Speaker 1: I even got you'll or like there was no part
Speaker 1: of me that was like, oh I had the actual
Speaker 1: agent that couldn't do ship for me. I had to
Speaker 1: drop them. I moved here in twenty fifteen. There was
Speaker 1: a time when my friend who ended up being like
Speaker 1: Hamilton's Amber Michael Yer, I was going to train clients
Speaker 1: and he was coming from a catering gig and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, Michael should be catering. This dude is
Speaker 1: so talented. Like moments like that, That's what I remember.
Speaker 1: It's never what everyone needs to know. What everyone needs
Speaker 1: to know is that the most talented people are catering.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? None of like it is
Speaker 1: a lot of hard which has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: their like worth as a person. No, not at all
Speaker 1: understanding like ultimately like quote unquote success or like whatever
Speaker 1: I do feel like it is a lot of luck.
Speaker 1: It's also hard work. It's also talented. It is a
Speaker 1: combination of those three things. And you can be unlucky.
Speaker 1: You can be so good and nothing happened. You can
Speaker 1: be garbage and everything happened like but if you have,
Speaker 1: but you definitely need to work hard, and you definitely
Speaker 1: need to be talented. So if you're not those two,
Speaker 1: if you're not hard working, or you're not telling work hard,
Speaker 1: work hard, that's like in comedy for me, that's the
Speaker 1: one thing I always tell people. I say, I'll be
Speaker 1: like repetition like get better at the thing you're trying
Speaker 1: to get good at. Jay makes it about the work
Speaker 1: and that's what we love. Yeah, totally. And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to ask before we go on too, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, Like, what have you been loving doing
Speaker 1: the review? You have such a fun at I so
Speaker 1: blessing me with my good Christian anti Monique car Brown
Speaker 1: cow stunning the house down. She Monique plays with her
Speaker 1: voice too, in a way that I don't think enough.
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people play with their voice with
Speaker 1: the vocals. She's so fun and her heart is so
Speaker 1: big and she cares about so many people. And Chester
Speaker 1: is such a reliable activist and so funny so self
Speaker 1: deprecations like cool just so like I learned there, Like
Speaker 1: what what is that like factor? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coolness, but it's also like Chester is there before
Speaker 1: other people. I talked about how much I liked uh
Speaker 1: Rena Sawa Yama and Chester was like, oh, you mean
Speaker 1: my friend And I was like, of course he's friends
Speaker 1: with all. Uh well, we can talk about Sawa Yama
Speaker 1: the album later, because it's so very good. I did
Speaker 1: a threat about that and Patrick is so funny but
Speaker 1: also so good at raining us in but also like
Speaker 1: a little mischievous house. Yeah, I mean the stories untold.
Speaker 1: I mean we don't even know. You have no idea
Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick Rodgers. If you if you're with him, he
Speaker 1: gives you like camp counselor crushed tribes that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh what, who's that guy? Well he just found out
Speaker 1: that Patrick gets out because you haven't you haven't met
Speaker 1: you in the same place. I thought he was like
Speaker 1: a little five six otter. I was ready. I was
Speaker 1: ready to put my hand around his waist and now
Speaker 1: he's gonna put his hand around only like he sure
Speaker 1: is when we did. My god, oh my goodness. He
Speaker 1: is a He is a good energy and energy and
Speaker 1: always ready to be like, let's talk about the important
Speaker 1: thing and then balance it out with something that's not important.
Speaker 1: You need a moderator. If you're going to be a
Speaker 1: gay view, then you better have a moderator. Also his baby,
Speaker 1: And I do have to tip my hat to you
Speaker 1: and Joel can booster for like putting my name in
Speaker 1: the running for that spot that I got. So it's
Speaker 1: because baby, I mean, I know, you know, I know
Speaker 1: what's up and you know that I know. I just
Speaker 1: I'm such a fund that you know that I know
Speaker 1: that you know. And that's and that's and that's what
Speaker 1: we know each other. So we see each other speaking
Speaker 1: of speaking of things we know we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and which we know something
Speaker 1: and hate it and then ransom for one minute about it. Um,
Speaker 1: so this is I don't think, so honey. It's sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: It's a segment. We've done it on every single episode.
Speaker 1: Gosh damn Bowen. We've done hundreds of these, motherfucker's. We've
Speaker 1: done a lot of them. We've done many I don't
Speaker 1: think so honeys, and we're going to keep doing them,
Speaker 1: whether or not the listener enjoys them. So, Matt, you
Speaker 1: and there's titters. There's titters about maybe like a live
Speaker 1: event there, I mean there, I guess there are, but
Speaker 1: we haven't really checked in on this recently. But yet
Speaker 1: that was dive face and asked first into sn L
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's do a live show on zoom
Speaker 1: and he's like, get out of my face. He's going
Speaker 1: back to roar in October. I'm excited. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: and we found the tea is. Last night I hung
Speaker 1: out with them, Sudi and Heidi and Ago, and I
Speaker 1: was just telling them as like, I'm expecting my anticipation
Speaker 1: is that I might not be in these because they're
Speaker 1: just they're keeping them very sort of you know. Lean
Speaker 1: that's all that's all say for now. But it's like
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just like, I'm not gonna like set
Speaker 1: myself up for any sort of crazy lofty expectation. Well,
Speaker 1: and I would say I might not be that busy,
Speaker 1: so we could just do a live I don't think
Speaker 1: we featured for a featured player. We have had been
Speaker 1: great with many bone Yang appearances and we will look
Speaker 1: forward to whatever we can get out of these five
Speaker 1: before the damn election in and then who knows what
Speaker 1: happens um, But in the meantime, I would like to
Speaker 1: do my I don't think so, honey. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think honeyest time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The feeling of and wording
Speaker 1: of swamp ass okay, So let's talk about the words
Speaker 1: swamp ass Okay, So this is a swamp, this is
Speaker 1: a marshy area with gators and it's hot and muggy,
Speaker 1: and maybe the word ass, which is your world, what
Speaker 1: happens in your pants. These two things should not be
Speaker 1: in the same sentence, although we find them in the
Speaker 1: same sentence many, many times, mostly used by straight male teens.
Speaker 1: When they discover this word swamp ass, and they associate
Speaker 1: their feeling with the with the words, they want to
Speaker 1: use it a lot, and it's become part of the culture.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't think so, honey. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about how it feels to have swamp ass disgusting. Um,
Speaker 1: it feels like a swamp in your hole, or as
Speaker 1: I call it, your world. And even if you have
Speaker 1: a little bit of down there, you know, it gets
Speaker 1: all the worse. And then you think it's going to
Speaker 1: get better if you shave it. No, it gets sweatier. Actually,
Speaker 1: so having a bear hole actually is an even worse thing. Also,
Speaker 1: when you far, it makes a sound when it's fired
Speaker 1: down there. Swamp ass, I don't think so. I just
Speaker 1: want to clean pure ass, and that what would you
Speaker 1: call it instead instead of swamp ass? Yeah? Are you
Speaker 1: you're saying? But because because you're saying, I don't think
Speaker 1: so any the feeling of and the wording of it
Speaker 1: as an entire idea I don't like. I would say
Speaker 1: that the fact that it's called swamp ass like is
Speaker 1: almost too accurate for what it is down there that
Speaker 1: I get it get a pure for men. They do
Speaker 1: like the the the as scrubs. They do like the
Speaker 1: ass lotion. It keeps you nice. And there's like as deodorant,
Speaker 1: it keeps you nice down there. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: that there are gonna I'm not one of them, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna be some kinksters that are readers that will
Speaker 1: be like Matt, I like it that they do like it. Actually,
Speaker 1: don't be some folks that are like when I go
Speaker 1: back to the Eagle, I'm gonna have it. So I was,
Speaker 1: this was years ago. I was gonna go hook up
Speaker 1: with a guy, and I had just I had just
Speaker 1: discovered getting my ass eat. And I'll never forget where
Speaker 1: I was. I was in college. I was in college
Speaker 1: when Jackson died. When the way I rolled back right
Speaker 1: there though, Matt, girl, I love it so basically like
Speaker 1: the first time that it ever happened, and I just
Speaker 1: didn't know what could feel like that, And I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god. So then there was this
Speaker 1: other guy I was talking to in college years ago,
Speaker 1: and he was trying. He was he we were gonna fuck,
Speaker 1: and I was sort of saying I liked my asseat
Speaker 1: now and he's like, I love it. Don't shower, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, because that to me.
Speaker 1: And now, as as like an assid eater, I think
Speaker 1: that everyone's got a shower, and it's interesting you bring
Speaker 1: up the scrubs. I encountered someone who had used the
Speaker 1: chocolate scrub on their whole recently, and the chocolate to me,
Speaker 1: I guess it didn't taste like chocolate to me, which
Speaker 1: as I was eating, and I'm like, do you want
Speaker 1: an ask it taste like chocolate? But then I was like,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's brown, I don't know a little. For
Speaker 1: me when I came to chocolate astrup, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You don't want to serve dinner off no dirty plates? Right,
Speaker 1: That's that's I mean. For me, it's like, if I'm
Speaker 1: going to be doing the digging, let's clear out some
Speaker 1: let's make it a good atmosphere. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: very good. But the guy I'm nearly da somebody pointing
Speaker 1: to the best. But basically what I was saying was
Speaker 1: this did happen to me in college where someone was like, amazing,
Speaker 1: don't don't shower he was, and he was like he
Speaker 1: was like, I like men and put men all in caps,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, so okay, it's just one
Speaker 1: of me. I think. I think what he was saying
Speaker 1: was he wanted like nasty, sweaty and manhood. It was.
Speaker 1: It was the year two thousand nine, Bowen Yang. I
Speaker 1: was enlightened enough back then to not that I wasn't
Speaker 1: hooking up with this guy because he was smart. That
Speaker 1: was on some Vicky Valley court from the water boy ship,
Speaker 1: like when she tells Bobby's mom men are supposed to
Speaker 1: have stinky feet, Like I was like on that. So
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't kink shame, but everyone
Speaker 1: like just do whatever whatever your part. Not not king
Speaker 1: shaming at all, just saying it's you know, to each
Speaker 1: their own wo um. So you know, traditionally, after I go,
Speaker 1: bone Yang will go. And I'm wondering if he's feeling
Speaker 1: giggly and rocky enough to I am feeling giggly and
Speaker 1: ronny enough. We'll see how this goes okay, well this
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Spackling a K, A wall patch,
Speaker 1: a K ceiling patch, vinyl spackling. Why you look like
Speaker 1: ice cream? Why you look like royo? And why are
Speaker 1: you coming in a damn cup at the hardware store.
Speaker 1: Don't package this like food when it's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be food. And then I'm scraping it out with a
Speaker 1: putty knife and it looks like the consistency of a nice,
Speaker 1: beautiful treat that I would eat on a summer's day.
Speaker 1: So spackling, you gotta you gotta get near go, and
Speaker 1: you gotta get pick a new look because it's not working,
Speaker 1: because you might poison a child someday soon. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you already have spackling. I don't like this this cup nonsense.
Speaker 1: Go into a tube like you where you belong. Go
Speaker 1: into a big old get, but not not ice cream,
Speaker 1: not not a Brier's thing. Go into a big bucket.
Speaker 1: You gotta signal the fact that you're not food, because
Speaker 1: too much of you is food like and spackling. I
Speaker 1: I have your number, and I am going to stop
Speaker 1: at nothing to make sure you belong in a tube,
Speaker 1: that you end up in a tube. And that's one minute,
Speaker 1: and thank you for speaking out. It's a safety hazard.
Speaker 1: It's a safety Sackling looks like ice cream. Any child
Speaker 1: or dumb adult could walk over any of that. I was,
Speaker 1: I was. I was filling some nail holes today in
Speaker 1: the wall, and I thought I was. As I was doing,
Speaker 1: I was like, this looks yummy. And the spackling, you
Speaker 1: have a huge problem an installation insulation. Insulation looks like
Speaker 1: cotton candys. Look, yeah, is going to eat insulation. This
Speaker 1: is crazy to have one of the smartest young people
Speaker 1: in America and he's got so much talent and so
Speaker 1: much intelligence and so much promise yet to come. And
Speaker 1: still you have him eating the spackling, eating the insulation,
Speaker 1: most asbestos. He eats it cut in his prime because
Speaker 1: of the temptation that is spackling. They said, no one's
Speaker 1: broken out like they said, no one's broken out like
Speaker 1: this since Kate McKinnon he ate spackling and died he died.
Speaker 1: Were no, we're not And it wasn't even like it
Speaker 1: wasn't even though like the bet list of the ways
Speaker 1: he would die. No, everyone Beth overdose, everyone said, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to make this about me. But if
Speaker 1: we have these teams eating the tide, if we have
Speaker 1: these kids eating the tide pods, who knows what they'll
Speaker 1: do when they come across spackling and saying it's covid
Speaker 1: Bowen yang is you know he's he's looking at the spackling.
Speaker 1: He's thinking, I'm sure I eat this. This is a
Speaker 1: cry for help. On the podcast Lost Culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's that's my truth. I think I thought it was amazing,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's time for j Jordan's, okay,
Speaker 1: And I don't think so, honey. And he's an expert
Speaker 1: at the form, right, he said, very well. And that
Speaker 1: flam Con and the and the in the Midtown Hilton, Yes, yes, yes, no,
Speaker 1: may yes, they think of course this is j Jordan's.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Straight white men thinking the
Speaker 1: X men are for you, they are God. They are
Speaker 1: not for you. They are queer, they are outcasts, they
Speaker 1: are women, they are the other. They are marginalized group,
Speaker 1: their powers manifested puberty. What did you manifested puberty besides
Speaker 1: krusty socks. Come on, it's not about you straight white men.
Speaker 1: You like Boulverine too bad, you're five three, get over it.
Speaker 1: You can go like the Punisher like someone else. You
Speaker 1: don't get it like mutants. First thing, Mutants were created
Speaker 1: by Stanley and Jack Kurby. Now a lot of straight
Speaker 1: people go, oh, to straight people created them, so they're
Speaker 1: for straight people. No, but guess what, straight people also
Speaker 1: create gay people. So they did, and the X Men
Speaker 1: are by us right now. They live on Krikoa, a
Speaker 1: mutant island co op where they all live together harmoniously,
Speaker 1: and villains live there too, because guess what, these people
Speaker 1: are only villains in the eyes of normal people. I
Speaker 1: can straight people and non mutants. So the X MENO
Speaker 1: are not for you straight white men, but you can
Speaker 1: enjoy it, I guess we ally, Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: You know, breaking news to everyone who loves Wolverine. You
Speaker 1: know who's Wolverine, Hugh Jackman, who's tap dancing and winning
Speaker 1: Tony Awards and belting his It goes craz right now,
Speaker 1: Wolverine and the comic books is in uh polyamorous thrupple
Speaker 1: with Scott Summers and Jean Gray and they have a
Speaker 1: joining rooms. What so Scott is fucking is logan logan
Speaker 1: and scottar fucking Yes. It's heavily implied by Jonathan Hickman
Speaker 1: that the X Men primary particularly Wolverine Cyclops in Gene,
Speaker 1: have a polyamorous triad going on right now. And and
Speaker 1: this is this is the beauty of queerness. It solves
Speaker 1: the problem of that love triangle like that, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're all having sex. It's perfect. Everybody wins.
Speaker 1: Every ready wins with straight dudes like, no, no, there's
Speaker 1: not we. I think we can give straight people spider
Speaker 1: We can get straight to Spider Man. Yeah, y'all can
Speaker 1: have Spider Man. I love Spider Man Spiderman too. I
Speaker 1: don't like giving it up to them, but I get it.
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm okay with giving giving it
Speaker 1: to me. We can tell you what you do. You
Speaker 1: know who's exclusively frustrate people, because Spider Man might be
Speaker 1: bad too, but I didn't say, but you know I've
Speaker 1: heard this. But you know who's exclusively frustraight people? The Hulk. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling I'm feeling some emotions, so I become a monster,
Speaker 1: get bat Batman drama is for the Straits. I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: straight people, you can have Batman. There's so many people
Speaker 1: that you can have. It's just I want to let
Speaker 1: you know that the X Men, while you can help
Speaker 1: uplift there and affirm their message, they are queer and
Speaker 1: for queer people. When Batman trying to be queer Schumach
Speaker 1: in the movies, when when Schumaker tried to make them gay,
Speaker 1: the Straits revolted and and wouldn't have it. So a shame.
Speaker 1: It's such a shame. But I think we we lost
Speaker 1: that war ultimately. Um so I can give Batman to them,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we keep X Men, but the images live
Speaker 1: on with us because when gay people lose, we still
Speaker 1: will drag something from that defeat. If we lose, we'll
Speaker 1: go I'm taking this if you can go out, I'm
Speaker 1: taking my drink with me on the street. We lost
Speaker 1: nothing with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin we got.
Speaker 1: We gained so much, all those ash shots we gained.
Speaker 1: Nicole Nicole almost said Nicole Kerman Nicole and Hidman with
Speaker 1: that Veronica like Carricotta is Dr Chase Meridian. We got
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Come on, we got box True,
Speaker 1: we got a mindless grunting Baine and we all we've
Speaker 1: all tipped that. Go go boy, honey, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. Give me that mindless grunting vein the second
Speaker 1: started talking and Dark Knight Rise and I was like,
Speaker 1: get me out of here, Get me out of here.
Speaker 1: I take Dark Knight Rises, Bin over over Poison Ivy. Bin.
Speaker 1: Don't you have a freakish disposition? The vascularity on that
Speaker 1: band was too much. I didn't it was. It was
Speaker 1: silly to the it was goof that's the thing about
Speaker 1: the film. You're like, that's it was. Actually, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Bain had too many blood vessels. That's my that's my note.
Speaker 1: That was a bridge to Cocohan has had too many
Speaker 1: animal sidekicks and Batman and Robin had Bain had too
Speaker 1: many veins. Oh my god, what are you going to
Speaker 1: say next week to complete this trilogy? We'll see, we'll
Speaker 1: see what we're gonna have to see Radcliff as a queer.
Speaker 1: I saw something about that this week. Radcliffe to Radcliffe
Speaker 1: as a queer with the Cape whenever you as the
Speaker 1: song the case what he's singing the savages savages song.
Speaker 1: He's being very gay and there's a song that he
Speaker 1: has like a solo before that, which is one of
Speaker 1: the gayest things you've ever seen. The dig Dig Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: dig Dig someone back with with Percy with his little
Speaker 1: twink person between Percy was the pus So whoever his
Speaker 1: assistant was, well, Christian whoever Christian Bale plays in that movie,
Speaker 1: that Christian Bale o No, no, no, you're talking about
Speaker 1: You're talking about Roth. No, none, I'm talking about Christian.
Speaker 1: You know Christian Bale was um they yeah, well whoever between,
Speaker 1: like like Radcliffe who groomed the pug, yes, him, I
Speaker 1: don't was a different kind of game, yeah, different, but
Speaker 1: I reject I don't. I don't want this the colonialism
Speaker 1: dude to be ours though. I don't like. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't when it was a good that so so
Speaker 1: basically like no, no, no, I know because Jaffar was
Speaker 1: very gay and Jafar like you can't release no flies
Speaker 1: on Jafar. Jaffar is like noyes on Jafar Jar snakes
Speaker 1: all around him. He's very evil. I was gonna kill
Speaker 1: her in sand. Never forget that. And we know from
Speaker 1: last week that Matt hates sand. Matt hates sand. Get
Speaker 1: iconic culture, Jasmine in the Hourglass, you cannot deny. I mean, yes, iconic,
Speaker 1: but but let's not forget like you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you appreciated all that, just know there was a
Speaker 1: woman suffering, okay, and she almost suffocated in the sand.
Speaker 1: What's okay? So my favorite part of a Laddin whenever
Speaker 1: whenever the Sultan almost gets hypnotized and Jafar as like
Speaker 1: the princess will marry me? And the reason that the
Speaker 1: Sultan breaks the power of the staff he does, But
Speaker 1: you're so jar gets upset about it's so funny. It's
Speaker 1: just so it's been the joke has been made so
Speaker 1: many times. But it is so funny that every Disney
Speaker 1: villain is gay. It's so crazy. It's like, how do
Speaker 1: we make this like unusual and offbeat? And it's the
Speaker 1: nineties or the eighties whenever, like, how do we do it?
Speaker 1: You gotta make him homosexual? It started with Ursula, Yes
Speaker 1: it did, but I went because okay, so this is
Speaker 1: the last time earlier with the rescuers, was there was
Speaker 1: there a gay Well there's that. How there's a really
Speaker 1: really really good article where people collected people's takes on
Speaker 1: this kind of like trope that everyone's aware of now,
Speaker 1: and they named characters I didn't even think about, like
Speaker 1: the Great Mouse detective antagonists, the woman, the evils, and
Speaker 1: the rescuers. I want to say, the lad in the
Speaker 1: red dress. So they're like it wasn't just uh sis
Speaker 1: gender and queer men. It was like just year as
Speaker 1: outliers of like the heroo normative path that the character
Speaker 1: the heroes would take right right, right right. The first
Speaker 1: person that I ever saw make this um observation and
Speaker 1: then like do stand up about it was shout out.
Speaker 1: James Adomian has the funniest run riff on this, Like
Speaker 1: he he goes for like so long. I'm like how
Speaker 1: Ursula is like that old Dike behind the bar that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're closed, but you can have another drink, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like she's just so that woman that's like,
Speaker 1: well that's like ripped from an it's also like a
Speaker 1: weird like even like her body is different than other people's,
Speaker 1: like she's overtly sexual born. Yeah, but she's also masculine.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing, but Pat Carroll doing um
Speaker 1: just the first time you see Ursla as she goes um,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, the second time you see Ursla like
Speaker 1: and the girls in love with the Prince and the
Speaker 1: like in the in the lower register and daddy love
Speaker 1: that so gay and like they're even like from a
Speaker 1: lighting standpoint they play with like oh yeah close and
Speaker 1: Jessam two as like too gay attendants. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, any regional production I've
Speaker 1: ever seen of the Little More May minus the Heales,
Speaker 1: I ain't seen a stray Flosam and Jessum yet. Hello.
Speaker 1: That's why we were campaigning were it was? It was
Speaker 1: it was it was Hollywood news. We were coming campaign
Speaker 1: them to be in the movie. It was Hollywood news.
Speaker 1: It was all the trades. Do you guys should watch
Speaker 1: him Howard the documentary on Howard Ashman. It's good. They
Speaker 1: kind of erased a lot of them. They don't erase
Speaker 1: the gay step, but they sort of like they kind
Speaker 1: of make it seem like he never politicized his work,
Speaker 1: he never made his work personal. But it's like that's
Speaker 1: not true, Like, don't like sideline the gay thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's the way that like in Bohemian Rhapsody did
Speaker 1: it they kind of like, uh, kind of put the
Speaker 1: thing on the margin that he's gay, like completely, so
Speaker 1: get get hippy from like looking at a male fan
Speaker 1: and then yeah, he saw one man in a leather
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden his life was over.
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