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Speaker 1: z way um. But wait um. I do want to

424
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Speaker 1: say though, as an adult listening to the song, I

425
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: think Monica walks her like a dog. That's the grown

426
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: woman who's in the right. But what's unfair? But what

427
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of sets up that dynamic and sets it up

428
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: for the rest of the song, for the entire song

429
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: is the fact that Brandy is the one who approaches Monica.

430
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: Monica is just minding her own business a minute, Sure,

431
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: you know you look kind of it's like Monica is

432
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think I know you. She's like,

433
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: I might remember who you are, exactly who that is.

434
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: That's the other woman. That's what heteronormative activities due to

435
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: y'all when y'all out here claiming folks, wow, uh because

436
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: gate because it doesn't even really happen to gay me

437
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like gay men don't really claim each other.

438
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: And in the way that these these straight women do

439
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: have opinions about when people go, oh, this man who

440
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: has not committed to me is mine because you're the

441
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: one looking like boo boo the fool because you are

442
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: acting up now man hasn't done anything. If he's like

443
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: the prize to be like coveted, and then it's it's

444
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: like bordering on like a weird scope of philic passion

445
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: to see women fight over you. If you're a was like, wow,

446
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: y'all handle what you don't do that that's kind of

447
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: not really I don't know, maybe maybe I'm eracing a

448
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: lot of um stuff, but I feel like that's not

449
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: really the dynamic that I've noticed amongst men are age

450
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: game at our age were like I don't know, we

451
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: give up, we go have well, because if you if

452
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: you were to act crazy about like someone that you

453
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: know or someone else hooking up with someone that you

454
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: hooked up with or hooking up with, I feel like

455
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: in the modern like gay queer community, you you look

456
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: insane and very bothered because I feel like, you know,

457
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: and the world is so small like this, the circles

458
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: are so small and literally all like run into a

459
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: guy who's like like like I'll run into a weener

460
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: cousin um like like a guy like like a a sister,

461
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: and I'll just be like, oh cool, like that's that's fine,

462
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: that's fine, okay, great, and then like movie that's like

463
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: there's no there's no sense of ownership the way that

464
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: these were like in a very kind of like yeah

465
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: you don't you like you can talk about this if

466
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: you want, uh, so well, because so some people go there,

467
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: so here and there like this, but if you are

468
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: basing your entire relationship on monogamy that was established during

469
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: like the early modern period in Europe to make sure

470
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: that the great chain of being was maintained so that

471
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: like peasants stuck with peasants, and like a stable boy,

472
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: wasn't having sex with the princess, because then the patard

473
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: would change. Because if your blood is different, if if

474
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: the if the aristocracy is almost a different species, then

475
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be able to intermingle and more importantly, made

476
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: and procreate with people on the lower pegs of that

477
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: totem pole. So system, Yes, yeah, so you wanted to

478
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: take ownership of a woman also because she was the

479
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: only way for you to pass your property, not even

480
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: pass past you like your lineage, you like you have

481
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: to have the sun. So I have someone to give

482
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: my stuff too. And by the way, he better be

483
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: mine or else I'm giving my stuff to somebody I

484
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: don't know. Like it's just that I and I don't

485
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: I reject this cast system. Yeah yeah, honey, honey, let

486
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: me be a surf at the bottom. Unbothered Bowen didn't

487
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: think I would know that surfs were at the bottom

488
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: of the cast system. I know. His eyes lit up

489
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: and he pointed like this, deep, deep, deep, because he

490
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: saw what I've been. I've been deep, deep, deeping all night.

491
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I think he was happy for you, and really I

492
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: was agreeing. I I was, I was kind of I was,

493
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: I was kind of joining in on this collectivizing notion

494
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: of the surfs that are at the bottom when we're together.

495
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I'm not that way. I would

496
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: love to be a courtier or a baron or a

497
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: duke or a marquis. But you carry that you carry

498
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: you have a very energy. Yeah down there, ya has

499
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: a have I know, I do think you would look

500
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: very very hot and like that's sort of like prince

501
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: like regalia. Like I think you would make a very

502
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: handsome print, is what I'm saying to you. Thank you.

503
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: So that's what you've been doing. You've been going out

504
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: to the park to do you. I'm like, okay, So

505
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I always say meet people where they are comfortable during this,

506
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: and I'm comfortable enough to do. It's not your show

507
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: with a with a mask. Take it off, do my

508
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: set put the mask back on. People are distant. Do

509
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: you disinfect the mic afterwards? Disinfect the mic? There? Mike

510
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: condoms now might cover the condoms, the little mike condoms,

511
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and so yes, for all gay men, condoms are something

512
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: that you put around your penis so that you don't

513
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: get an s t I I'm back on Prepa. I'm

514
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: also on a rip, roaring on prep. I'm on my discobe,

515
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: are you guys true? I'm my provider said, I was like,

516
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to try discobe. He said, no, no, no,

517
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: you're you're sticking with prop. I forget why this stuff

518
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: is a smaller pill. I don't mind swallowing that big

519
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: old blue thing, dick, and give me that taste, Jake

520
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: Sully penis. Give me that long long don't give me

521
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: that blue Doctor Manhattan, get Dr Manhattan, getting me. Bowen

522
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: said his dick was blutiful. No, no, the big is

523
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: that the biggest penis ever on TV? And Watchman, I'm mate, Watchman.

524
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't well, I don't. I think yeah, yeah, is

525
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: an amazing actor. So to fetish as him just for

526
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: that one scene of him, well, I'm not that's not

527
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: his penis. I don't think I think it is. He

528
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: was too happy about it. Looked like that was his Really, Yeah,

529
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: he's just walking around with that thing. It was. It

530
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: was HBO dick. I was gonna do this is a

531
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: little you guys will get all the inside information. I

532
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: was I was I could have done HBO dick for

533
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: my first sex scene, but I did not. But why

534
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: did you say that I could have gave some dick?

535
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Team maybe don't do dick the first time? And that

536
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: was that's fair, that's fair. I get it. I don't

537
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: agree with one. I feel like you should just anyone

538
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: should just do whatever they want want. It's HBO. If

539
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: you're if you if you're given the opportunity to show

540
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: your your genitals, that's great. Um. I think the second

541
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: time you should just break the seal. Yeah, did you

542
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: have sex on high maintenance? There was the implication that

543
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: there would be another time for something of that ILK,

544
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: so I felt they like they complimented me. They're like,

545
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be plenty of chances for you

546
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: to show your team, your team, the team. Yeah, wow,

547
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound weird, but I can't wait for that. Um.

548
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: And with that, we're gonna take a break and we'll

549
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: ride back with Jay Jordan's and what are we back'll

550
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: be back? We're back, Yeah, we're back. Okay. So at

551
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: this point, Bowen, what do we do we? Um? Oh, yes,

552
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: the question the question right, of course, the question being

553
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Jay What was the culture that made you say culture

554
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: was for you? Bowen explain, this is the m a

555
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: formative culture for you growing up, um, something that really

556
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: was the spark lighter um for the fuse, that was

557
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: the rocket for culture to culture that you were headed ones.

558
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes total sense. I have two

559
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: answers because I heard Bob the Drag Queen did that,

560
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: and so my first answer is the Honey video Thank

561
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: You so Much from the album Butterfly. I can sure

562
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: when anyone talks about this, thank you so Much. One

563
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: of my first c d s was Butterfly. My first CDs,

564
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: the first three CDs I ever had, were puffed out

565
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: in the family no way out the explicit version because

566
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: my mama didn't know my way and Mariah carry Butterfly. Butterfly.

567
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Now it's easy to say, oh wow, that's like a

568
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: core distialization of like you as a bisexual a number

569
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: of things. It was so formative for me because the

570
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: album cover for Butterfly kind of speaks to the entire

571
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: aesthetic of the Honey video from a tone standpoint, from

572
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: a coloring standpoint, from the hair stair. The hair was

573
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: iconic at that moment. Sexiest Maria. You can imagine this

574
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: is peace divorce, so this is after time. So she went.

575
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: She was acting fully up. And you know many say

576
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: that honey maybe about come, oh honey. I think it

577
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: honey about come Matt. It is the best double entendre

578
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: of a song ever. And I can't describe how good

579
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: it feels inside. It's it's got to become just another

580
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: taste of your honey com anthem. So the video is

581
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: like her as a secret agent and like agent m

582
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: a couple of famous people. Eddie Griffin is in it.

583
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: She is hand she's handcuffed behind a chair, and she

584
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: also speaks to her Venezuelan roots. She speaks Spanish for

585
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: like the first minute of the video. She's doing she's

586
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: acting and she's acting. Mariah is a writer and a singer,

587
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: a mother, but also an actress. And at this point,

588
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: what is she? What is she? First, she's a blessing.

589
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: She's a blessing, a gift Patty. Patty and Mariah are

590
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: like it's like a lineage between them. There's like a

591
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: through line like they're sending you connecting them the same

592
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: way they're sending you connecting. Patty and Jennifer Hudson, Like

593
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: whenever Jennifer Hudson does a scoop into something very like,

594
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: that's her doing a patty like it's so the reason

595
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: I love Mariah in this video is because she's having fun,

596
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: like she's stripping, she's swimming, she's dancing with the beach

597
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: at the very end. Because then you also think, oh, man,

598
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: this hot to the beach and it's not connected, but

599
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: you can pretend like it is. Then my all happens

600
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: and it's a completely different tone, but it feels connected

601
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: because she's on the beach with another hot man, just

602
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey the Honey video. I was like, whatever this is,

603
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm sexually attracted to it but also like it. But

604
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I also understand how other people can like this. I

605
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: just want to celebrate this. And I didn't have a

606
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: chair in my room. I shared a room with my

607
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: brother and my sister at this point before my sister

608
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: got her own room. I had this like speaker boom

609
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: box situation. I could put headphones in and I would

610
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: have to like just put the CD in the top

611
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: and like listen to it like on my headphones right

612
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: next to like the speaker system in my room. Also,

613
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: Mora's like, just so walk into the sourus. I learned

614
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: so many words from the words that are vocabulary, got

615
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: the CD booklet with the lyrics booklet, and so then

616
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: that's the first one and the second one is probably animated,

617
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: uh series The X Men on Fox. So those two

618
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: things changed everything for me. Like, this makes a lot

619
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: of sense, And this is an amazing answer to the

620
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: question because we get two ideas of you as a person,

621
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: and it makes sense without even exploration. But explore we will.

622
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Those are the two things that I love. Oh, let's start.

623
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: Let's just because we've talked so it's bone. It isn't

624
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: insane how much we've talked about Marie. There's a lot

625
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: of and on everyone's mind right now. Yes, she is.

626
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean that New York Magazine piece was incredible. iRED

627
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: of kind of going into the back cattleg Yesterday, Matt

628
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: and I connected because we were both listening to Emancipation

629
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: of Mimi at the same time. Talked about you guys,

630
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: talked about jumper cables for a career. Hello you wish

631
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: He was like, want something? Yeah, I could. I could

632
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: give you out some anthems if y'all want you wanted,

633
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: you wanted the definition of contemporary R and B, and

634
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Jermain Dupre was like, we've been cooking up stuff for

635
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: a while. Let's just let's drop it. The Neptunes Kanye

636
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: that was that was a stacked album, like that was

637
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: an incredible and also you know what song gets slept

638
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: on from Emancipation just before before we returned to Butterfly

639
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: say Something, which is something is Snoop dog on It.

640
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the way that says he's gonna suck

641
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: you in the bathroom in that song. And I'm never

642
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: into Snoop, but I'm like, Okay, Snoop your girl and

643
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: wish you knew your girl. You're a girl so good.

644
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: But Jay, but is my culture? That made me say

645
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: culture was from me? Okay? You want to know my

646
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Butterfly joint that I love? Okay, maybe it's because they're

647
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: back to back when when it goes breakdown into ye Okay,

648
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the roof, but yo, breakdown is

649
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: hauntingly beautiful. It is uh uh, it's a vivid it's vivid.

650
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: You're talking about my all vividly and blazing in my mind,

651
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: blazing in my but then breakdown into baby Doll is

652
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: one song is about lost, and then one song is

653
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: about longing because like the relationship is over on terms

654
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: she didn't love, and then she still just wants to

655
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: be your baby doll. And allegedly baby Doll, My All

656
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: and the Roof Dry Jeter, Mr Dirk Jeter himself was

657
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: she confirmed this. She confirmed at least My All and

658
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: the New York the New York Magazine art interview. And

659
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: that was a moment because I remember when that song

660
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: came out and a radio DJ was like at the

661
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: time in like ninetie, I'm not even kidding, and this

662
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: is like that when I was so into baseball, so

663
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: you were. I was on Long Island and Dark Teater

664
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: was you couldn't get bigger than Dark Teeter. And also

665
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: Mariah carry a Lions princess, so when it was rumored

666
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: that they were fucking, everyone was on fire. And like

667
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: I remember this song played in the car because they

668
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: used to play jams on the radio and they came

669
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: on It's actually Real Culture number one hundred and nine.

670
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: They used to play sometimes you would get him My

671
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: All on the radio. Now not so much, but I

672
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: remember that the DJ was like you know, rumor is

673
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: that Derek Jeter and Mariah Carry are doing what they

674
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: say in this song late at night. Anyway, this is

675
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: the one hundred and then she started and I was

676
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 1: just like, wait, hold on, we need to go back.

677
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: Can we can we rewind the radio because I need

678
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: to know everything about Derek Jeter and Mariah don be like,

679
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: I need to know what these two beautiful beige bodies

680
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: are doing at nighttimes. I've never been horn in here.

681
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, these two beautiful, like racially ambiguous bodies just

682
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: writhing at their peak. And also, you're so right when

683
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: you're saying Ryan was never hotter. I just recently bought

684
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: her greatest hits vinyl, and inside they have all these

685
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: incredible photos of her from like the hair, just like

686
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: her makeups, beautiful her. She had never sounded better. She

687
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: was like taking classy sexy photos. I was like, she

688
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: really defined to me what like what sex appeal was,

689
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But like that image of

690
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: her on that cover, it's just a piece of fabric

691
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: and a belly chain and then a butterfly and hair

692
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: and like she's playing with monochromatic earth tones just and

693
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: just like this beautiful image. So like Mariah Carey Honey video, Butterfly,

694
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: but Honey videos specifically, and then the X Men because

695
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: they were different, they were born different. What makes X

696
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Men the nineties Fox animated series the superior series to you?

697
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Over like um, X Men Evolution like the other iterations too, Yeah,

698
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: but please, I just want to hear it from you

699
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: because I don't really like I need some context. I

700
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: need to like sort of be like brought up to

701
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: speed on. Okay, So you have X Men Evolution, you

702
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: have Wolverine and the X Men. You have the failed

703
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: pilot Pride of the X Men, which was before all

704
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: of them. Pride of the X Men launched the Arcade

705
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: games where you see like a couple of iterations of

706
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: the team where it's like Storm, Dazzler, Cyclops not Crawlos.

707
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: I remember that. So you play that game. The character

708
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: models are based on that, and that was a very

709
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of like early eighties team. The thing about the

710
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: series is they use the designs from the highest selling

711
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: common book of all time, which was Jim Lee, Chris

712
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Claremont and I forget who was the incher, but Uncanny

713
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: X Men like number one and it sold eight point

714
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: one million copies. Like, if it's one thing Maria and

715
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: the X Men gonna do, it's gonna go platinum. So

716
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: they sold at least they sold eight million copies of

717
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: this compot. It's the most important common book to Marvel

718
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: at the time. Marvel was like, whatever people want from

719
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: the X Men, they can do. So there were all

720
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: these titles that spanned out of it, and the team

721
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: was so important. They split the team up into the

722
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Blue Team and the Gold Team, and so the series

723
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: just said, we want to take all of some of

724
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: the favorite parts from that comic book and make that

725
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: into a series, which was crazy because you go, wait this,

726
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: but just like just happened. They're not like going back

727
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: to nine three to do like the original five X Men,

728
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: not going like the eighties for the outback team. They're like,

729
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you the X Men that just like

730
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: sold out two years or two three years ago. And

731
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: so they put together like a like a beautiful mashup team.

732
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: The first two episodes nine, the Sentinels were so important

733
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: because the character dies. You think you found out season

734
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: two he didn't die, but a character dies like they're

735
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: going on a mission that's supposed to not like result

736
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: in anyone dying, and Morph gets shot and then goes away,

737
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: and you see like Cyclops in Wolf Ring get into it.

738
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: You believe who like kind of represents you with the

739
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: viewer because you're a younger kid, and you believe is

740
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: like them all rat who's like, I'm gonna do what

741
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: I want. It's so good. It's just so from that

742
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: point on, I had those two you could get the

743
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: cassettes at Pizza Hut in like a box. I had

744
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: like the two sets with like a specialized like before

745
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: and after message from like Stanley the Creator, and I

746
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: got those at Pizza Hut. I like had like so

747
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: many passion figures, so it's just wow. And then from

748
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: a message tonally, it's like a young black kid in

749
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Mississippi who maybe didn't have a way to articulate he

750
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: was queer, but definitely knew I loved Mariah Carey at

751
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: that point or not even that point, but that was

752
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: ninety two, but like knew I liked doing stuff with

753
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: my mom and I wasn't always picked first for stuff,

754
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: and like I ran kind of silly and like maybe

755
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's going on, but like to

756
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: have like a team and like for them to be like,

757
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: it's okay, you're just more different and they have like

758
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Storm be like a black super heroine. It was you

759
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: can't write that stuff. I mean they did, but it

760
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: was very but they did. Wait, but who who? Who

761
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: do you identify with most? So I watched me, watched

762
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: me piss people off with this. I I am a

763
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: big Iceman fan. One of the very most of the

764
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: queer one came out because of Brown Michael bend This

765
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: A lot of writers had had a bunch of subtext

766
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of skirting the issue came out, I want to

767
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: say in two thousand twelve. It was two thousand fifteen.

768
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: He came out, and he deflects with humor. He's more

769
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: powerful than he could ever imagine he's but he's also

770
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: like very much a guy that just wants to go

771
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: along with the flow, a bunch of failed relationships with women.

772
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Also like is hot, but like surprisingly like like some

773
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: comics you'd be like, Bobby, get out of here, but

774
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: in some comics you'd be like, Bobby, what's going on? Well,

775
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: they made him hot and straight in the movies, but

776
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: in the in the movie the next two it was

777
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: like that scene where he comes out, so like it's

778
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of late on thick, but it's it's it's it's great.

779
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: It's like at the time it was kind of like

780
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: the wink to from Brian Singer to yeah, but he's

781
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: a whole Hans are our lovely Hans says in the movie.

782
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: In the X Men movie, Iceman is also the one

783
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: whose parents asked have you tried not being a mutant?

784
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: With very queer subtext. So, yes, we're referring to that

785
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: scene Bobby's mom and X two X Men United, after

786
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: he like freezes the coffee and the cat starts to

787
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: look at it like she's like, what have you ever

788
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: tried not being me? And then his brother calls the

789
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: police on that and like outs them and like tries

790
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: to get Bobby taken away. Yes, Bobby is anti cop.

791
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh and you know, Pyros really anti copy blows up

792
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: the car that people should do that because you get

793
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: in trouble. But so when you're when you're when you're

794
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: watching X Men and you're running weird and doing things

795
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: with mom and loving Mariah, at what point do you

796
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: realize because I I've only that must have been very

797
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: confusing for a kid to realize bisexuality. Oh, I didn't

798
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: realize that sexuality was an option until I was in college.

799
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: And some real well because I didn't have an experience

800
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: with a guy until college, because I had girlfriends in

801
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: high school. I had like a girlfriend my junior year

802
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: that went to problem with that, had like a girlfriend

803
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: for part of my senior year, and I had like

804
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: really close friendships. And sometimes I think I coded my

805
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: queerness by just being like, man, it, dude, so cool.

806
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Don't you guys want to meet the cool that he's

807
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: from a different school, He's got stories we don't know.

808
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he knows girls that we don't know. But also

809
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: he probably should tell us what his parents do for

810
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: a living, because it seems like a very nice house.

811
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: That's so, you had girlfriends all pretty much throughout your

812
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: like like and like I'm talking like fully attracted to girls,

813
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: attracted to girls, consummated the relationship commation. Had a very

814
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: American prom night. Let's just say the junior year, but

815
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: senior year I also had a very American prom night

816
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: because we thought the whole night, so that is very American.

817
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: That's very While the pray played in the Nissan armand

818
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: year was two thousand six, Don't do me, spot On?

819
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Spot On, How did you know how to save a life?

820
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Tell j not go to problem with I'm not gonna

821
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: say her name on here, but just that's how you

822
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: save a life that time travel and be like, y'all

823
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: don't have to go to problem together just because y'all

824
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: are like cool, Like y'all y'all are gonna fight. I

825
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: remember I went. I went to go see the freight

826
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: um at Jones Beach with one of my male straight friends,

827
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: just he and I and like we ran into people

828
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: from high school there, and everyone was like, what the

829
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: funk are you doing on a date together? The fray?

830
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: And I felt so bad that the kid had come

831
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: with me because I was like, he didn't have to

832
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: do this, but he really liked the fray. Shout out

833
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: to Nicolie to a woman. Fray in the car. That's

834
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: something I miss. The phrase when the frame would come

835
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: out in the car. That's what it gets you to

836
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: Jones Beach. That's it's a straight boys in the car

837
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: in the car in the car and the car was

838
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: then you just said yellow card and that was the

839
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: card to say, that was the card to pull I'm

840
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: calling on your red car ocean avenue in Mississippi. But

841
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: guess what, I listened to it like we did. We

842
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: had one and I slept where I grew up. We

843
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: had an ocean avenue, and I felt very alive whenever

844
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: it would come on. The PHRA was the PHRA was

845
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: a huge deal for for for Denver because they were

846
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: from Denver and we sort of wore a culturally barren

847
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: place at that point, and um, it was just a

848
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: very big deal that they had made it big over

849
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: my head in the car. That is like that takes

850
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: you back over my head. People say how to save

851
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: a life, but over my head. So that was honestly,

852
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: his voice was great. That sound was amazing. That was

853
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: really over my head, cable that was everyone knows middle Night.

854
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: And then you know what happened was he was smart

855
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: vocally structurally sound. He yeah, I know, he was a singer.

856
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: And you know why they blew the funk up was

857
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: because how to Save a Life was in graze and

858
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: at to me they were big then once how to

859
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Save a Life because at that point, how do you

860
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: know what happened? Because the season two finale made Snow

861
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: Patrol chasing cars, and then the season three promos all

862
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: featured how to Save a Life. I'm almost positive now

863
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: how to Save a Life was pre season two, was

864
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: was in season two, but when it was getting good

865
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: in the second half of season two, they were showing

866
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: it during during promos. Then that's right, that's right, that's

867
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: what it is. I might smoke a joint and watch

868
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: second half of season two episodes of Grace. Tonight, Baby

869
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Get Grace. It's actually real culture number fifty praise um.

870
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask a sort of a dumb ass

871
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: question about bisexuality, but this is something that I'm curious about.

872
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Is there so so in college you you haven't experienced guys.

873
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: It's confirmed that you enjoy you enjoy men, But it's like,

874
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: is there this like period where like the full grum

875
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: shifts a little, You're you're not sure where it lands,

876
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: and then and then it like lands somewhere, and then

877
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I'm buying, Like where where it's like

878
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: you can eat you're able to sort of stand firm

879
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: in that identity. I had like a really good time

880
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: with a few guys in college, but then I still

881
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: find myself like when no one was watching like no,

882
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: like no, this wasn't performative, like still like messaging girls

883
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: and like talking to girls and like hooking up with girls.

884
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I had a summer where I like put on a

885
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: little bit of muscle and so I was I was

886
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: like one of the first. It was the first of

887
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: many a hot girl summer. The cows came home. Yeah,

888
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: the cat came. The cows came home to home in Mississippi.

889
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: So at one point someone was like, well, you like

890
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: you've definitely like you've I've seen like that you hooked

891
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: up with guys, Like why are you still like hitting

892
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: on me? I was like, cannot like do both and

893
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: me saying that to that person, I was like, oh, well,

894
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean sure, but are they like yeah, sure or

895
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: have you faced that? People sometimes are weird out or

896
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with it because I'm so okay with people shorthanding

897
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: me being a male bisexual to saying gay if the

898
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: intentions are pure, if it's like just like you saying

899
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: that from a catch all kind of grab bag territory,

900
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: it's one syllable. It queer is also one syllable. But

901
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: then people are like, I'm not an academic um, but

902
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: it's true. So I think that there have been people

903
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: that are like, well, like I don't really believe what

904
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Jay is saying because he's dating a guy and he's

905
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: at the guy for so long. But then I'm also like, well,

906
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: you all know the YouTube search history or like what.

907
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: It's just a very it's a fear that I don't

908
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: have as much anymore because I'm very much grounded in

909
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: my truth and my kind of internal attraction to things.

910
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: So like if someone's like, oh, Jay is secretly lying,

911
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: I was like, like, but what's the benefit of the lie.

912
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I've already been like, I stucked a few dicks, You've

913
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: you've given up whatever. The inherent power and heteronormative culture

914
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: is if the minute you're like, man, I get come on.

915
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: So it's just at this point we all have to

916
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: be we all have to sort of agree on this,

917
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: on this on the same set of facts or terms

918
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is just that like get the whole

919
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: like subtrafuge, like deceit element out of any kind of

920
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: queer identity where it's like it's like you know, I

921
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: mean not to fully extrapolate this into like territory that

922
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: like maybe none of us have like experience in but

923
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: it's like it's like when the kneegric reaction for a

924
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: trans person, for a trans person coming out as being like, oh,

925
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: then you're like you've been lying to us the whole time.

926
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: It's like wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

927
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: wait wait, there's no there's no lie here, there's no deceit. Yeah,

928
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: there's no deceit. It's like it's like and that kind

929
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: of gets thrown up by people a lot, I feel, yeah,

930
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: and picularly particularly by men and buy men of color

931
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But then there's also the other end

932
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: of the spectrum as far as like attraction to buy men,

933
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: where it's like it's like you're fetishized. Yeah. I just

934
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: think that when someone says thereby go oh, that's cool,

935
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: and then if they say it again, be like, okay,

936
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: do you you want something you want like a PRIs

937
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm down for it. I wish everyone the best. I

938
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: also think that like, the more I mean, the more

939
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: people will come out a is bisexual, the more helpful

940
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: it is. September is technically bisexual Awareness month. Did you

941
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: guys know that? I did not know that. It's because

942
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: September doesn't know if it wants to be summer or fall.

943
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. Is that one

944
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: of your Is that one of your jokes or is

945
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: that a real fact? No, because it was like the

946
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: or the twenty three, and they kept moving it and

947
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: then someone was like, just pick no, it was it was.

948
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: It was actually a day in September, and then it

949
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: got like stretched out to a week and now there

950
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: were this year. They were like, ain't nobody doing nothing?

951
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: No way, you really are? Can I say, like, as

952
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: a stand up you really are a joke fucking machine?

953
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: Is nuts? You really are really good and I we've

954
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: seen you be good for so many years. But I

955
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: remember I went to I was doing um I think

956
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: game show with David atfl and I saw you do

957
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: your new faces and now you shined. You really did.

958
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank That means a lot because I really

959
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: want people to say, oh, my gosh, she's such a

960
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: good joke writer and he's so charismatic, because what happens

961
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: sometimes for black comedians and for queer people that are

962
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: performance they'll go, oh, you're so charismatic, and you go

963
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: that was also well written. Yeah, you don't have to

964
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: like treat me like a black quarterback and be like, oh,

965
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,959
Speaker 1: he's such a good athlete. Know he's good at his job.

966
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: That happens with pore people. Sometimes it also happens with women.

967
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, you're so rowdy. You'll be like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

968
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: You're just one of the It's whenever people start going

969
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I like her because she's not like and they say

970
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: another female comedians and then you're like, what are you

971
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: doing with all these like loaded compliments that just tear

972
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: down other people? That is sure, it's sassy. It's like, no,

973
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm giving you like a joke on TV,

974
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: just just just take pick up on and putting down.

975
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: It's exactly what we were saying before about people needing

976
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: labels to feel comfortable, or to feel smart, or to

977
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: feel informed on the topic. It's like comedy audiences when

978
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: they see, like, let's just say, for example, a black

979
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: woman on stage, there is this inherent thing I think

980
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: among modern comedy audiences because they haven't been given the

981
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: space to to be like, oh, this is gonna be fun,

982
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: her energy is gonna be really good, but just based

983
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: because she's a black woman, or like a gay comic

984
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: going up on stage. Oh, this is gonna be bitchy.

985
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of celebrities and stuff in here,

986
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: or like, you know whatever, just judging things based on

987
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: whatever anyone's like identity is that takes to the stage.

988
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: It's like, no, actually, there's a lot of skill that

989
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: goes into this, and I'm happy that you thought it

990
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: was fun for whatever reason that you came into this with.

991
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: But I hope you leave it being like, oh, that

992
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: comedy made me think was impressive to me an x

993
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: y Z, not just because a gay person was up

994
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: there and spoke with a loud voice and um, you know,

995
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: shake his ass a little bit. I think because because

996
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I think, no, that's not what you do. But I

997
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: literally will care any song that you put out because

998
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm usually like, this is also a very good you're

999
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: going to build to something this song. This song ain't

1000
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: on accident. It's never on accident. I would never put

1001
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: out a song that was an accident. And you're never

1002
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: gonna see any any You're never see nothing from me

1003
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: that's not gonna pay off. You know what They'll say

1004
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: to my boyfriend sometimes and once he says, we uplift

1005
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: the community that has definitely been marginalized, and we want

1006
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: to make sure that we are celebrating and protect protecting them.

1007
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: Let's go trad true to like me, Bet you didn't

1008
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: not bet you didn't know. A lot people don't know something.

1009
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. And if you don't

1010
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: know this reference, you can go see my Uh. What

1011
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: happened was Taylor Swift leaked an album, she leaked Lover

1012
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: back before she changed it all out because we knew

1013
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: we got her number with the queer pandering. But she

1014
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: there was an album that she put out called The

1015
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: First Lover. You can see that on my Twitter First

1016
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Lover, Matt Rogers google a bit.

1017
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: It's very very good. And so in that same vein,

1018
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: what I like to do is I like to be

1019
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: like a craftsman. I like to like okay, so like

1020
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: so like play right, like the end of the word right.

1021
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: You're like in a guild, you like create something. So

1022
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: whenever I put together a joke, I wanted to be

1023
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: structurally sound. I try to be on the right side morally.

1024
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: I never try to get an easy victory out of

1025
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: a joke. And because there's so many I just have

1026
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: so many places to play. I can play with queerness,

1027
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: I can play with fish out of water, I can

1028
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: play with being black, I can play with being kind

1029
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: of a nerd. I can play with being in a relationship.

1030
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: There's so many elements of me that I think are congruous,

1031
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: and through that friction comedy is created that I just

1032
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: continue to try to write that way, and I always go,

1033
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: would I be happy if this is the joke that

1034
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: blew up? Because you gotta let me tell you something.

1035
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: You don't get to choose which joke blows up. And

1036
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: when the joke blows up, what happens when people share

1037
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: it and people and you're like, I don't, I don't know,

1038
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't that's not me. Yeah, that's so said. The

1039
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: context of it all, and how you know, when you're

1040
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: a prolific comedian, when you're someone that's been doing this

1041
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: for a very long time, sometimes it is a little

1042
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: weird what catches on or what you feel like you

1043
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: have to explain and what you don't have to explain,

1044
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It says a lot about

1045
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: the way that you're received and your comedy has received.

1046
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: When something does well and you're like, that's got to

1047
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: be a fluke. It's not really a fluke, or also

1048
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shared so much. Consumption matters. People find out

1049
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: the hard way people. I mean some people had to

1050
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: go to Africa when they got upset with who was

1051
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: laughing super hard at some of their right material. That's

1052
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, come matter, So who's look like, who's

1053
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: celebrating what you're saying about marginalized groups? And be like,

1054
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, y'all laughing too hard for me? Yeah, totally.

1055
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: It's about taking responsibility for the reaction you want out

1056
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: of an audience. And you wrote this, you don't even

1057
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: get to be like, who wrote this? You did? I

1058
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: also just really really like the idea that like, uh,

1059
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: as a stand up I'm like the writer, the performer,

1060
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: the performer, the editor, the director uh and like the

1061
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: first kind of reviewer of it, because I can go

1062
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: through like multiple drafts of jokes. There are things So Bowen,

1063
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: I saw you in February and then I saw I

1064
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: secretly saw you in March. You a dad Jai hotel.

1065
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah you had to dip and so like I got

1066
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: the closest show out and I have jokes that I'm

1067
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: happy with from March because I wrote a bunch of

1068
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: new stuff, like the stuff now none of it is

1069
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: from the album, but like I wrote a bunch of

1070
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: new stuff and like December, in January and February, and

1071
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: then like I got to see, like these jokes that

1072
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: I was doing in March, I can see what if

1073
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: they're making the cut in September. And because because you're

1074
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: just putting that care into the process early on, like

1075
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: from the from the beginning. Yeah, I try, you do.

1076
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but Matt, you and I saw

1077
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: j at flame Con when we like kind of host

1078
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I loved that flame Colm with you show that I

1079
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: got to do. I don't think so, honey. And you

1080
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: picked Sailor Moon and I said, I don't think so, honey. Serena,

1081
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: take care of your damn cat the English name, I

1082
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: don't know. Luna is tired of your men. Luna's frowning

1083
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: and grimacing all the damn day at you. You must

1084
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: have been filling yourself at flame Con. That's like, it's

1085
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: that was, that's that is fish in the barrel, but

1086
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: in the best way. Because anything that I write where

1087
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm like they don't want to hear tim and Ites

1088
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: on X Men. That crowd was like, yes, yeah, that

1089
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: was so fun. I bought a bunch of erotic art

1090
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: at that. You did you did know that that crowd

1091
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: is great? That he was some hot stuff. It was

1092
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: it was the buff stuff for the Disney stuff. No,

1093
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't Disney stuff. It was like it was like

1094
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: superhero stuff. It was like night Wing with a huge

1095
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: throb Yeah, yeah, yeah, phenomenal. That crowd is great because

1096
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: all you have to do is like mentioned Final Fantasy

1097
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: and then they like come in their pants. It's great.

1098
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: And but and it's like, oh, like and these are

1099
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: my people, Like I like, this is like a side

1100
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: of me that I don't get to like sort of show.

1101
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: And because so much of gaming, like the rumor and

1102
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: the talk about gaming, is this this toxic, evil, straight

1103
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: cystender male culture. And like you as a little kid

1104
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: that wanted to play with all the female characters on

1105
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: Tech and you're like, that's not me. I wanted to

1106
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: play with Lynchall You like, she could do a couple

1107
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: of back flips. It's like I was get because he

1108
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: can teleport and a sword, he could he can bounce

1109
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: on the sword bounce. Also he was he was one

1110
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: of the characters that, like like other characters, had different costumes,

1111
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: had different clothings. Mitsu had a different look. It was

1112
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: a different era. Yes, at one point he was a bug.

1113
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: He was a she. She just had different existences. He'd

1114
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: had to be a bug, or he'd be like an android,

1115
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: or he'd be like a god. I mean it was

1116
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: Yoshi means he was the best. He's been very, very

1117
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: queer because he was just a shape shifter in a

1118
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of ways, so very queer in that sense to me. Um.

1119
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: And then Hans says, bouncing looked like whacking. Oh yeah,

1120
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: the bouncing looked like the sword. It was a little

1121
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: fat like, but you it was a double grap. It

1122
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: was a big sort. I always enjoyed um. Whenever I

1123
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: was playing Super Smash Brothers, I would always enjoy playing

1124
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: as Zelda because she could turn into che yes. And

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: this was a queer narrative I felt, was that she

1126
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: sort of the very the feminine masculine, the play there

1127
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: um and the sort of disappearing the chest binding. How

1128
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: many the entire idea of Zelda Link and Zelda from

1129
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: an aesthetic standpoint, you understand how many couples look like

1130
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: and they're just to me is when a couple looks

1131
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: like Lincoln Zelda, it's a run for the hills moment.

1132
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: That was a good test. It's okay for them to

1133
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: be white. I mean, Matt, it's okay for them be white. No,

1134
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying there shouldn't be two blonds in a relationship.

1135
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: That is horrifying to me. I just started watching Real

1136
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: Housewives of Dallas and there's a redhead couple. They're both

1137
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen no, I've seen that once. I've seen

1138
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: that one Dallas. I'm enjoying it. Joe Joel Kim booster

1139
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: Um is I think the only person who like stands

1140
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: The Housewives with Dallas. But I would. I mean, I

1141
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: was born and raised on Atlanta. That Atlanta is like,

1142
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: it's like kind of a touchstone. I'm kept up a

1143
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: little bit. With Potomac. We need to talk because you

1144
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: just had Monique on the podcast. Oh my god, this

1145
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: is a segway into the podcast, but can you tell

1146
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: us what Monique Samuels was like from Real Houts of

1147
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: Potomac on the rear view, You guys are gonna lose

1148
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: your mind. When I tell you so calm, so chill,

1149
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: very appreciative of queer fans, very aware of queer d

1150
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: C also glowing, like just glowing beautiful beautiful told us

1151
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: the story about to Chola escaping and coming back and

1152
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: how to got away, but no, someone saw the bird

1153
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: and then she said to Chola came back to her

1154
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: and like then she got to hug him, and he

1155
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be hugged, but she So the reason

1156
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: she was on the podcast was because she's an important

1157
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: She's important. Uh, she's an important character or person on

1158
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: the Real House was a potomac. But also she was

1159
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: getting in front of what we kind of hinted at

1160
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: being a villain edit. But yeah, I haven't watched the

1161
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: latest episode and someone said something happens that may make

1162
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: me think it's not a villain edit because if they

1163
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: have the footage, they can't it can only they can

1164
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: only show you doing what you did. So I have

1165
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: watched the episod it from this week. Did you watch

1166
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: a bone last night? I'm one behind. I didn't watch,

1167
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: so suffice it to say that, and I'm speaking of

1168
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: someone who's like pretty team Monique. I'm last last night

1169
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: at all, Yeah, here's the thing. I think Cannice is

1170
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: an amazing housewife. I just feel like it's like there,

1171
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: she is the aggressor in so many situations like that,

1172
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to point the finger anyone else. However, she

1173
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: is so much fun. And something happened last night where

1174
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Monique is the definition of bothered. Actually

1175
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: she's not unbothered at all, but there's something, something is

1176
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: under her skin. The Monique can be bought where we

1177
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: can give her permission to be bothered the candidates. But

1178
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if someone, ultimately someone on this season

1179
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: is going to pop off and it's going to become physical,

1180
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: and it's hinting that Monique to me, is going to

1181
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: be the one that loses it. But I'm also very

1182
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that and I said this to

1183
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: Patrick because Patrick Rogers, who's one of the co hosts

1184
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: of The rear View, my relation no relation only in

1185
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: my house of Rogers. However, we are the house and um,

1186
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: I said, because he doesn't really watch Potomac or housewives.

1187
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: And I said, here's what you need to know. She's

1188
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: getting a villainett it and you need to find out

1189
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: how she's feeling about it because it's unfolding before our eyes.

1190
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: And I said, that must feel so crazy to watch

1191
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: yourself get the villain at it. Like we've had some

1192
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: reality contestants on the show before, and I asked about

1193
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: what it's like to get a specific kind of edit. Well,

1194
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: we've never had someone on that specifically gotten a villain

1195
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: at it, So I wanted to know, like, does she

1196
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: have anything to say about that. So Candice the season before,

1197
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 1: you remember when she was pregnant, She's like, I'll drag

1198
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: you pregnant. That moment kind of said Okay, Monique can

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: get aggressive, but she doesn't have to be. And then

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: she said, look at the way Candice has been acting

1201
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: early in this season. So she pointed at like the

1202
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of like how she treats Ashley. She pointed at

1203
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: the fact that like she always seems to be in

1204
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: the middle of a little bit of mess. She pointed

1205
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: the relationship with her mother, so there of like receipts

1206
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: that she had that made me go, okay, so you've

1207
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: definitely you're making your case. And Canada's also just I

1208
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: she likes the way that she's being perceived on the show.

1209
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: You know, what I mean is very comfortable with her

1210
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: positions and like those kind of like those titles flip

1211
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: flop a lot, like if you would have At at

1212
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: one point I was like, oh, yeah, I love Padre,

1213
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: and then there was one season when I was like,

1214
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: Padre is evil, literally like the worst kind of person,

1215
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: and even said, well, now I'm the dog on villain.

1216
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: And so there are their moments where they can shift

1217
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: not have to see. It's just like Real Housewife is

1218
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: one of those things where I go, why out, this

1219
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: is really interesting to watch and thank goodness I'm not

1220
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: a part of it. Yeah right, I think it's so.

1221
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting to watch the social dynamics

1222
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: in all these different like locales out so differently to

1223
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's just so interesting. Like

1224
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for salt Lake, and we we talked

1225
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: about how we wanted a trailer last week, and the

1226
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: trailer came out and came out. I'm really surprised by

1227
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: what it looks to It looks much more interesting than

1228
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. I was interested in salt

1229
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: Lake when I found out about the grandmother's ex husband. Girl,

1230
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: this is the craziest ship I've ever heard, I was like,

1231
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: and then for it to be like a black girl,

1232
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: I was like, who are at this? Mary Crosby, Welcome,

1233
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: Welcome to the consciousness Mary. And then she she used

1234
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: to be Pentecostal or something. It's like the Yeah she

1235
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: was like a first lady or something of this of

1236
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: some mega church. Yeah that that the grandmother's that her

1237
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: grandfather Like like what was that? Head of? Like we've

1238
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: had it's it's perfect. What would it take for you

1239
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: to marry a member of you? Who know? What would it?

1240
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: What would it take for your grandmother to die? And

1241
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: for your reaction to be I gotta get my I

1242
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: gotta get my grandmother's husband's stick. Natalie Walker talks about

1243
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: how Every Housewives Spran Tries is a different like Shakespeare play,

1244
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, like this it is Shakespeare in

1245
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: the way that these things play out, where like people

1246
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: come in like saying and then completely unravel or it's

1247
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: like you know, uh yeah, but it's also just a

1248
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: very look We're gonna look back on this and be like,

1249
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. We are just like looked at these

1250
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: things and we said keep going. And it was well,

1251
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: and some aspects I love it and sm aspects, I'm like, well,

1252
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't fix it. I can't fix it.

1253
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm here in New York. I actually have it. I

1254
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: have a different take on this. I disagree that it's

1255
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: like a bad thing. Like no, no, I'm not saying

1256
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: you guys are saying that. But like I think like

1257
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: there's a public sort of like um popular notion about

1258
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: the housewives are the real housewives that it's like the

1259
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: trash even worse than Kardashians, etcetera, Like like it's just women,

1260
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: desperate women who like have like alcohol problems or whatever

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01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: problems in their life, like fighting each other. It's bad

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: for women, etcetera. I think that's like something you hear

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: about it a lot before you start watching. For me,

1264
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: I actually think the way it's helped me is I'm

1265
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: actually not afraid of conflict at all now, because I'm

1266
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: not even kidding you. I admire the way, and this

1267
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: is because they say a lot of the ship that

1268
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: they talk on camera, so they have to deal with it.

1269
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: But I admire the way they'll turn to someone and

1270
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: say even if it doesn't always go great or they

1271
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: don't say it correct. I like when people say I

1272
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,520
Speaker 1: feel this way about a particular thing. This is why,

1273
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 1: and this is why I'm talking to you about it.

1274
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: I admire that because I think that so much like

1275
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: in interpersonal relationships, like if you are a people pleaser,

1276
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: or if you are someone who, like you know, wants

1277
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: everyone to be happy all the time, or you're someone

1278
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 1: that just isn't comfortable expressing yourself. It's something aspirational about

1279
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 1: being like, no, you know what, these are my emotions.

1280
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to take up space with it because it's

1281
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: important and you can deal with it the way you're

1282
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: going to deal with it, and at the very least,

1283
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: it shows a what not to do about how to

1284
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,839
Speaker 1: resolve you know what I mean? You know what, Matt,

1285
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: I agree. I think there are definitely moments where in

1286
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: real life you should be able to say, you know what,

1287
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: screw the niceties, this is what you did that was

1288
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: inappropriate to our group of friends, own up to this publicly,

1289
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: and I have to say it this loud so you

1290
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: know that we all mean it. Yeah, because gay people

1291
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: might gave people need to do that more. Okay, you're

1292
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: if you're a gay friend, is being problematic If you're

1293
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: a gay friend, is trafficking in misogyny, if your gay

1294
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: friend is trafficking and like transphobia, racism, like respectability politics.

1295
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: I would even say being a centrist right now if

1296
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: you have friends like that and be like, hey, I

1297
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone has told you, but I'm here

1298
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: to tell you cut that ship out right now. I

1299
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: have a few things to add. Um, it's so interesting

1300
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: that you say that to you because I have this

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: This is kind of maybe gross to admit, but I've

1302
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: had I've had fantasies of housewives, asked confrontations that I

1303
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: initiate with friends who are to have transgressed for those

1304
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: those exact and those exact ways that you've just listed

1305
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: to Jay, and I'm just like, I want to just

1306
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: be like, hey, cut that out, and like you and

1307
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: I actually don't share the same values and you should

1308
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: stop this, and I'm actually not interested in being your friend.

1309
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: Which I don't know if that's like housewives, but it's

1310
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: just like I see that as the as I see

1311
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: that as the presentational sort of like style in my

1312
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: own mind. Whatever to the reason I say it won't end, well,

1313
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: it's just because I feel like with certain housewives it's

1314
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: like with the lou Wands and with the like certain

1315
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: there are certain case studies where um, it's just it's

1316
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: just a little dark. But overall, I feel like the

1317
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: value of of this, of this whole sort of series

1318
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: and these franchises is that it demystifies wealth. For me,

1319
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: it's like, all these people don't lack anything, or I'm

1320
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: not lacking anything that these people have, you know, if

1321
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: that's interesting totally and they're living relatively normal lives. It

1322
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: also helps to create and this same selfish as people

1323
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: who work in entertainment. It creates camp without even knowing it. Yeah,

1324
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you go, because they're dead serious and commitment

1325
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: to that is absurd. When reflected back through a certain lens,

1326
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: you go, oh my good, you believe this. I love her?

1327
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I laugh out loud all the time watching

1328
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: it because of throwaway lines like when people don't realize

1329
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: like when Candice said last year I invite her to

1330
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: my home, I gave her a beverage. I was like,

1331
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 1: that's that's genius to me. And also when they keep

1332
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: showing that she got on Twitter and said in all caps,

1333
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: where is your income? Roach? I mean that to me,

1334
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: what's She's one of a kind, and ultimately it's like it. Ultimately,

1335
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: Candice is the reason for this, for the season, and

1336
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: she is the reason for all the problems. And what's

1337
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to is how much can Monique take.

1338
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: Matt makes fun of me for Twitter, and I feel

1339
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: like sometimes I get into Candice territory because I will

1340
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: act up on Twitter. Not know, I love it, It's

1341
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: the only place to act. I don't know if I've

1342
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: ever called anyone a rote, but like today, herschel Walker's

1343
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: son said some stupid conservative bullshit, and I like, I

1344
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 1: had to light his He's a little he's a little

1345
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: queer by racial kids, so I had to be like this,

1346
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: ain't girl done every well? You posted a Twitter poll

1347
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: today should I act up? Or should I act all

1348
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: the way up? And I was like, you should act

1349
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: all the way up? People wanted me that what way?

1350
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: What did you? People wanted me to act in? Because like,

1351
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: it's fine, I'm not doing anything dangerous. No justister typing,

1352
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: what can you do? Last? What hapage? Could you do? Really?

1353
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: To eighty? I'm just you know, you're gonna see the

1354
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: outline of some things. That's it. Yeah, I mean my

1355
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: fare way. Oh wow, And Jason that that that plus

1356
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: button on the tweet he's adding to the thread. Oh yeah,

1357
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're Sometimes I've done that if it's like,

1358
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: if it's like something I'm like really passionate about, Like

1359
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: I would have done it about versus. I would have

1360
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: done it about mart carry the X men. I would

1361
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 1: do it if someone had something negative to say about

1362
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: one of y'all, I'd be like, hold on, I know

1363
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: that I would do the same for you. Because here's

1364
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: something crazy that people don't know now. And I never

1365
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: want to be the person who pulls up a ladder

1366
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: behind them. But now a lot of people see what

1367
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 1: folks do and see what folks did and think it's easy,

1368
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: and I have to say it ain't. Don't get don't

1369
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: get on don't get on Twitter and get your thirteen

1370
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: thousand followers real quick because because you're white and have

1371
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: a symmetrical face, and then think that you're in the

1372
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: talks for things. Some of these kids, some of these

1373
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: kids are like two years into doing comedy and think

1374
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: whereas where my gifts were my treats? It's like, babe,

1375
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: and where are your credits? That's okay? Okay, that it

1376
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: is it. I honestly think that I think social media

1377
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: makes everything look easier than it is. And that's just

1378
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: really that, you know what I mean, Like I just

1379
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: but I mean, but but there's a new phenomenon of

1380
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: and and and man. I've talked about this, I've taught

1381
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: I talked about this with Joshua here and Jackson all

1382
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: the time. There's this thing of like of like of

1383
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: like thinking that you are on a certain track to

1384
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: get things when it's like no, like look at the

1385
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: people like the Jeff Hiller's the Darcy card, and it's

1386
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: the people who have like stuck with it for so

1387
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: long and now they're blowing the funk up because they

1388
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: like invested in community, in a community to invested in

1389
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: there like fundamental career things and you like you don't

1390
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: talk enough about like okay, so that come from a

1391
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: theatrical background. I have like a b F A and

1392
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: m F A. So I did all of that before

1393
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: I even got you'll or like there was no part

1394
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: of me that was like, oh I had the actual

1395
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: agent that couldn't do ship for me. I had to

1396
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: drop them. I moved here in twenty fifteen. There was

1397
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: a time when my friend who ended up being like

1398
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: Hamilton's Amber Michael Yer, I was going to train clients

1399
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: and he was coming from a catering gig and I

1400
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: was like, man, Michael should be catering. This dude is

1401
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: so talented. Like moments like that, That's what I remember.

1402
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: It's never what everyone needs to know. What everyone needs

1403
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: to know is that the most talented people are catering.

1404
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? None of like it is

1405
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: a lot of hard which has nothing to do with

1406
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: their like worth as a person. No, not at all

1407
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: understanding like ultimately like quote unquote success or like whatever

1408
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: I do feel like it is a lot of luck.

1409
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: It's also hard work. It's also talented. It is a

1410
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: combination of those three things. And you can be unlucky.

1411
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: You can be so good and nothing happened. You can

1412
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: be garbage and everything happened like but if you have,

1413
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: but you definitely need to work hard, and you definitely

1414
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: need to be talented. So if you're not those two,

1415
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 1: if you're not hard working, or you're not telling work hard,

1416
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: work hard, that's like in comedy for me, that's the

1417
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: one thing I always tell people. I say, I'll be

1418
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: like repetition like get better at the thing you're trying

1419
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: to get good at. Jay makes it about the work

1420
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: and that's what we love. Yeah, totally. And I just

1421
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: wanted to ask before we go on too, I don't

1422
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: think so, honey, Like, what have you been loving doing

1423
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: the review? You have such a fun at I so

1424
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: blessing me with my good Christian anti Monique car Brown

1425
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: cow stunning the house down. She Monique plays with her

1426
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: voice too, in a way that I don't think enough.

1427
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people play with their voice with

1428
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: the vocals. She's so fun and her heart is so

1429
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: big and she cares about so many people. And Chester

1430
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: is such a reliable activist and so funny so self

1431
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: deprecations like cool just so like I learned there, Like

1432
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: what what is that like factor? I don't know. Yeah,

1433
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: it's coolness, but it's also like Chester is there before

1434
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: other people. I talked about how much I liked uh

1435
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Rena Sawa Yama and Chester was like, oh, you mean

1436
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: my friend And I was like, of course he's friends

1437
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: with all. Uh well, we can talk about Sawa Yama

1438
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: the album later, because it's so very good. I did

1439
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: a threat about that and Patrick is so funny but

1440
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: also so good at raining us in but also like

1441
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: a little mischievous house. Yeah, I mean the stories untold.

1442
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean we don't even know. You have no idea

1443
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: Patrick Patrick Rodgers. If you if you're with him, he

1444
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: gives you like camp counselor crushed tribes that you're like,

1445
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 1: oh what, who's that guy? Well he just found out

1446
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: that Patrick gets out because you haven't you haven't met

1447
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: you in the same place. I thought he was like

1448
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: a little five six otter. I was ready. I was

1449
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: ready to put my hand around his waist and now

1450
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna put his hand around only like he sure

1451
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: is when we did. My god, oh my goodness. He

1452
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: is a He is a good energy and energy and

1453
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: always ready to be like, let's talk about the important

1454
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: thing and then balance it out with something that's not important.

1455
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: You need a moderator. If you're going to be a

1456
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: gay view, then you better have a moderator. Also his baby,

1457
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: And I do have to tip my hat to you

1458
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: and Joel can booster for like putting my name in

1459
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: the running for that spot that I got. So it's

1460
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: because baby, I mean, I know, you know, I know

1461
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: what's up and you know that I know. I just

1462
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm such a fund that you know that I know

1463
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: that you know. And that's and that's and that's what

1464
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: we know each other. So we see each other speaking

1465
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: of speaking of things we know we're gonna do it.

1466
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and which we know something

1467
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: and hate it and then ransom for one minute about it. Um,

1468
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: so this is I don't think, so honey. It's sixty seconds.

1469
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: It's a segment. We've done it on every single episode.

1470
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: Gosh damn Bowen. We've done hundreds of these, motherfucker's. We've

1471
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: done a lot of them. We've done many I don't

1472
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: think so honeys, and we're going to keep doing them,

1473
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: whether or not the listener enjoys them. So, Matt, you

1474
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: and there's titters. There's titters about maybe like a live

1475
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: event there, I mean there, I guess there are, but

1476
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: we haven't really checked in on this recently. But yet

1477
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: that was dive face and asked first into sn L

1478
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's do a live show on zoom

1479
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, get out of my face. He's going

1480
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: back to roar in October. I'm excited. It's yeah, it's

1481
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: and we found the tea is. Last night I hung

1482
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: out with them, Sudi and Heidi and Ago, and I

1483
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: was just telling them as like, I'm expecting my anticipation

1484
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: is that I might not be in these because they're

1485
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: just they're keeping them very sort of you know. Lean

1486
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: that's all that's all say for now. But it's like

1487
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just like, I'm not gonna like set

1488
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: myself up for any sort of crazy lofty expectation. Well,

1489
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: and I would say I might not be that busy,

1490
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: so we could just do a live I don't think

1491
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: we featured for a featured player. We have had been

1492
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: great with many bone Yang appearances and we will look

1493
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 1: forward to whatever we can get out of these five

1494
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: before the damn election in and then who knows what

1495
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: happens um, But in the meantime, I would like to

1496
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: do my I don't think so, honey. Okay, so this

1497
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think honeyest time starts now,

1498
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The feeling of and wording

1499
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,799
Speaker 1: of swamp ass okay, So let's talk about the words

1500
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: swamp ass Okay, So this is a swamp, this is

1501
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: a marshy area with gators and it's hot and muggy,

1502
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and maybe the word ass, which is your world, what

1503
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 1: happens in your pants. These two things should not be

1504
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: in the same sentence, although we find them in the

1505
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: same sentence many, many times, mostly used by straight male teens.

1506
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: When they discover this word swamp ass, and they associate

1507
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: their feeling with the with the words, they want to

1508
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: use it a lot, and it's become part of the culture.

1509
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't think so, honey. Let's

1510
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: talk about how it feels to have swamp ass disgusting. Um,

1511
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: it feels like a swamp in your hole, or as

1512
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: I call it, your world. And even if you have

1513
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of down there, you know, it gets

1514
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: all the worse. And then you think it's going to

1515
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 1: get better if you shave it. No, it gets sweatier. Actually,

1516
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: so having a bear hole actually is an even worse thing. Also,

1517
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: when you far, it makes a sound when it's fired

1518
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: down there. Swamp ass, I don't think so. I just

1519
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 1: want to clean pure ass, and that what would you

1520
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: call it instead instead of swamp ass? Yeah? Are you

1521
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: you're saying? But because because you're saying, I don't think

1522
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: so any the feeling of and the wording of it

1523
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: as an entire idea I don't like. I would say

1524
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: that the fact that it's called swamp ass like is

1525
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: almost too accurate for what it is down there that

1526
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I get it get a pure for men. They do

1527
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: like the the the as scrubs. They do like the

1528
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: ass lotion. It keeps you nice. And there's like as deodorant,

1529
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: it keeps you nice down there. I'm going to say

1530
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: that there are gonna I'm not one of them, but

1531
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be some kinksters that are readers that will

1532
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: be like Matt, I like it that they do like it. Actually,

1533
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: don't be some folks that are like when I go

1534
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: back to the Eagle, I'm gonna have it. So I was,

1535
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: this was years ago. I was gonna go hook up

1536
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: with a guy, and I had just I had just

1537
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: discovered getting my ass eat. And I'll never forget where

1538
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was in college. I was in college

1539
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: when Jackson died. When the way I rolled back right

1540
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: there though, Matt, girl, I love it so basically like

1541
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: the first time that it ever happened, and I just

1542
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't know what could feel like that, And I was

1543
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god. So then there was this

1544
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: other guy I was talking to in college years ago,

1545
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: and he was trying. He was he we were gonna fuck,

1546
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: and I was sort of saying I liked my asseat

1547
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: now and he's like, I love it. Don't shower, and

1548
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, because that to me.

1549
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: And now, as as like an assid eater, I think

1550
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: that everyone's got a shower, and it's interesting you bring

1551
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: up the scrubs. I encountered someone who had used the

1552
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: chocolate scrub on their whole recently, and the chocolate to me,

1553
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: I guess it didn't taste like chocolate to me, which

1554
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: as I was eating, and I'm like, do you want

1555
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: an ask it taste like chocolate? But then I was like,

1556
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's brown, I don't know a little. For

1557
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: me when I came to chocolate astrup, oh my gosh.

1558
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: You don't want to serve dinner off no dirty plates? Right,

1559
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: That's that's I mean. For me, it's like, if I'm

1560
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: going to be doing the digging, let's clear out some

1561
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: let's make it a good atmosphere. Oh yeah, all right,

1562
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 1: very good. But the guy I'm nearly da somebody pointing

1563
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: to the best. But basically what I was saying was

1564
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: this did happen to me in college where someone was like, amazing,

1565
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: don't don't shower he was, and he was like he

1566
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: was like, I like men and put men all in caps,

1567
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, so okay, it's just one

1568
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: of me. I think. I think what he was saying

1569
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: was he wanted like nasty, sweaty and manhood. It was.

1570
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: It was the year two thousand nine, Bowen Yang. I

1571
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: was enlightened enough back then to not that I wasn't

1572
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: hooking up with this guy because he was smart. That

1573
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: was on some Vicky Valley court from the water boy ship,

1574
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: like when she tells Bobby's mom men are supposed to

1575
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: have stinky feet, Like I was like on that. So

1576
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,959
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't kink shame, but everyone

1577
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: like just do whatever whatever your part. Not not king

1578
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: shaming at all, just saying it's you know, to each

1579
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: their own wo um. So you know, traditionally, after I go,

1580
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: bone Yang will go. And I'm wondering if he's feeling

1581
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: giggly and rocky enough to I am feeling giggly and

1582
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: ronny enough. We'll see how this goes okay, well this

1583
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now.

1584
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Spackling a K, A wall patch,

1585
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: a K ceiling patch, vinyl spackling. Why you look like

1586
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: ice cream? Why you look like royo? And why are

1587
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: you coming in a damn cup at the hardware store.

1588
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Don't package this like food when it's not supposed to

1589
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: be food. And then I'm scraping it out with a

1590
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: putty knife and it looks like the consistency of a nice,

1591
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: beautiful treat that I would eat on a summer's day.

1592
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: So spackling, you gotta you gotta get near go, and

1593
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: you gotta get pick a new look because it's not working,

1594
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: because you might poison a child someday soon. I'm sure

1595
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: you already have spackling. I don't like this this cup nonsense.

1596
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Go into a tube like you where you belong. Go

1597
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 1: into a big old get, but not not ice cream,

1598
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: not not a Brier's thing. Go into a big bucket.

1599
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: You gotta signal the fact that you're not food, because

1600
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: too much of you is food like and spackling. I

1601
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: I have your number, and I am going to stop

1602
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: at nothing to make sure you belong in a tube,

1603
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: that you end up in a tube. And that's one minute,

1604
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: and thank you for speaking out. It's a safety hazard.

1605
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 1: It's a safety Sackling looks like ice cream. Any child

1606
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: or dumb adult could walk over any of that. I was,

1607
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was filling some nail holes today in

1608
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the wall, and I thought I was. As I was doing,

1609
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: I was like, this looks yummy. And the spackling, you

1610
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: have a huge problem an installation insulation. Insulation looks like

1611
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: cotton candys. Look, yeah, is going to eat insulation. This

1612
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: is crazy to have one of the smartest young people

1613
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: in America and he's got so much talent and so

1614
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: much intelligence and so much promise yet to come. And

1615
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: still you have him eating the spackling, eating the insulation,

1616
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: most asbestos. He eats it cut in his prime because

1617
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: of the temptation that is spackling. They said, no one's

1618
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: broken out like they said, no one's broken out like

1619
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: this since Kate McKinnon he ate spackling and died he died.

1620
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Were no, we're not And it wasn't even like it

1621
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: wasn't even though like the bet list of the ways

1622
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: he would die. No, everyone Beth overdose, everyone said, I

1623
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: don't even want to make this about me. But if

1624
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: we have these teams eating the tide, if we have

1625
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: these kids eating the tide pods, who knows what they'll

1626
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:24,879
Speaker 1: do when they come across spackling and saying it's covid

1627
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Bowen yang is you know he's he's looking at the spackling.

1628
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: He's thinking, I'm sure I eat this. This is a

1629
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: cry for help. On the podcast Lost Culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

1630
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: that's that's my truth. I think I thought it was amazing,

1631
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's time for j Jordan's, okay,

1632
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think so, honey. And he's an expert

1633
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: at the form, right, he said, very well. And that

1634
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: flam Con and the and the in the Midtown Hilton, Yes, yes, yes, no,

1635
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: may yes, they think of course this is j Jordan's.

1636
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. Okay,

1637
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Straight white men thinking the

1638
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: X men are for you, they are God. They are

1639
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: not for you. They are queer, they are outcasts, they

1640
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: are women, they are the other. They are marginalized group,

1641
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: their powers manifested puberty. What did you manifested puberty besides

1642
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: krusty socks. Come on, it's not about you straight white men.

1643
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: You like Boulverine too bad, you're five three, get over it.

1644
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: You can go like the Punisher like someone else. You

1645
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: don't get it like mutants. First thing, Mutants were created

1646
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: by Stanley and Jack Kurby. Now a lot of straight

1647
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: people go, oh, to straight people created them, so they're

1648
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: for straight people. No, but guess what, straight people also

1649
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: create gay people. So they did, and the X Men

1650
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: are by us right now. They live on Krikoa, a

1651
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,440
Speaker 1: mutant island co op where they all live together harmoniously,

1652
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: and villains live there too, because guess what, these people

1653
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: are only villains in the eyes of normal people. I

1654
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: can straight people and non mutants. So the X MENO

1655
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: are not for you straight white men, but you can

1656
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: enjoy it, I guess we ally, Yeah, thank you very much.

1657
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, breaking news to everyone who loves Wolverine. You

1658
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: know who's Wolverine, Hugh Jackman, who's tap dancing and winning

1659
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Tony Awards and belting his It goes craz right now,

1660
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Wolverine and the comic books is in uh polyamorous thrupple

1661
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: with Scott Summers and Jean Gray and they have a

1662
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: joining rooms. What so Scott is fucking is logan logan

1663
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: and scottar fucking Yes. It's heavily implied by Jonathan Hickman

1664
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: that the X Men primary particularly Wolverine Cyclops in Gene,

1665
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 1: have a polyamorous triad going on right now. And and

1666
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: this is this is the beauty of queerness. It solves

1667
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: the problem of that love triangle like that, and all

1668
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're all having sex. It's perfect. Everybody wins.

1669
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Every ready wins with straight dudes like, no, no, there's

1670
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: not we. I think we can give straight people spider

1671
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: We can get straight to Spider Man. Yeah, y'all can

1672
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Speaker 1: have Spider Man. I love Spider Man Spiderman too. I

1673
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: don't like giving it up to them, but I get it.

1674
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm okay with giving giving it

1675
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: to me. We can tell you what you do. You

1676
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: know who's exclusively frustrate people, because Spider Man might be

1677
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: bad too, but I didn't say, but you know I've

1678
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: heard this. But you know who's exclusively frustraight people? The Hulk. Yes, yes,

1679
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm feeling I'm feeling some emotions, so I become a monster,

1680
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: get bat Batman drama is for the Straits. I think, yeah, yeah,

1681
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: straight people, you can have Batman. There's so many people

1682
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: that you can have. It's just I want to let

1683
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: you know that the X Men, while you can help

1684
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: uplift there and affirm their message, they are queer and

1685
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:59,959
Speaker 1: for queer people. When Batman trying to be queer Schumach

1686
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: in the movies, when when Schumaker tried to make them gay,

1687
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the Straits revolted and and wouldn't have it. So a shame.

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01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: It's such a shame. But I think we we lost

1689
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: that war ultimately. Um so I can give Batman to them,

1690
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, we keep X Men, but the images live

1691
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: on with us because when gay people lose, we still

1692
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: will drag something from that defeat. If we lose, we'll

1693
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: go I'm taking this if you can go out, I'm

1694
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: taking my drink with me on the street. We lost

1695
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: nothing with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin we got.

1696
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: We gained so much, all those ash shots we gained.

1697
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 1: Nicole Nicole almost said Nicole Kerman Nicole and Hidman with

1698
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: that Veronica like Carricotta is Dr Chase Meridian. We got

1699
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Come on, we got box True,

1700
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: we got a mindless grunting Baine and we all we've

1701
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: all tipped that. Go go boy, honey, let me tell

1702
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: you something. Give me that mindless grunting vein the second

1703
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: started talking and Dark Knight Rise and I was like,

1704
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: get me out of here, Get me out of here.

1705
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 1: I take Dark Knight Rises, Bin over over Poison Ivy. Bin.

1706
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: Don't you have a freakish disposition? The vascularity on that

1707
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: band was too much. I didn't it was. It was

1708
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: silly to the it was goof that's the thing about

1709
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 1: the film. You're like, that's it was. Actually, yes, yes,

1710
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: Bain had too many blood vessels. That's my that's my note.

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01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: That was a bridge to Cocohan has had too many

1712
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: animal sidekicks and Batman and Robin had Bain had too

1713
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: many veins. Oh my god, what are you going to

1714
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 1: say next week to complete this trilogy? We'll see, we'll

1715
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: see what we're gonna have to see Radcliff as a queer.

1716
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 1: I saw something about that this week. Radcliffe to Radcliffe

1717
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: as a queer with the Cape whenever you as the

1718
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: song the case what he's singing the savages savages song.

1719
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: He's being very gay and there's a song that he

1720
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: has like a solo before that, which is one of

1721
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: the gayest things you've ever seen. The dig Dig Yeah yeah,

1722
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: dig Dig someone back with with Percy with his little

1723
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: twink person between Percy was the pus So whoever his

1724
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: assistant was, well, Christian whoever Christian Bale plays in that movie,

1725
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: that Christian Bale o No, no, no, you're talking about

1726
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 1: You're talking about Roth. No, none, I'm talking about Christian.

1727
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: You know Christian Bale was um they yeah, well whoever between,

1728
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: like like Radcliffe who groomed the pug, yes, him, I

1729
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: don't was a different kind of game, yeah, different, but

1730
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: I reject I don't. I don't want this the colonialism

1731
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 1: dude to be ours though. I don't like. Yeah, but

1732
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: that wasn't when it was a good that so so

1733
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: basically like no, no, no, I know because Jaffar was

1734
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: very gay and Jafar like you can't release no flies

1735
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: on Jafar. Jaffar is like noyes on Jafar Jar snakes

1736
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: all around him. He's very evil. I was gonna kill

1737
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 1: her in sand. Never forget that. And we know from

1738
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: last week that Matt hates sand. Matt hates sand. Get

1739
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: iconic culture, Jasmine in the Hourglass, you cannot deny. I mean, yes, iconic,

1740
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: but but let's not forget like you know, if you

1741
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: if you appreciated all that, just know there was a

1742
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: woman suffering, okay, and she almost suffocated in the sand.

1743
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 1: What's okay? So my favorite part of a Laddin whenever

1744
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: whenever the Sultan almost gets hypnotized and Jafar as like

1745
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: the princess will marry me? And the reason that the

1746
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: Sultan breaks the power of the staff he does, But

1747
01:41:54,439 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: you're so jar gets upset about it's so funny. It's

1748
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: just so it's been the joke has been made so

1749
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: many times. But it is so funny that every Disney

1750
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: villain is gay. It's so crazy. It's like, how do

1751
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: we make this like unusual and offbeat? And it's the

1752
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: nineties or the eighties whenever, like, how do we do it?

1753
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: You gotta make him homosexual? It started with Ursula, Yes

1754
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: it did, but I went because okay, so this is

1755
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: the last time earlier with the rescuers, was there was

1756
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: there a gay Well there's that. How there's a really

1757
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: really really good article where people collected people's takes on

1758
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: this kind of like trope that everyone's aware of now,

1759
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 1: and they named characters I didn't even think about, like

1760
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: the Great Mouse detective antagonists, the woman, the evils, and

1761
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: the rescuers. I want to say, the lad in the

1762
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: red dress. So they're like it wasn't just uh sis

1763
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: gender and queer men. It was like just year as

1764
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: outliers of like the heroo normative path that the character

1765
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: the heroes would take right right, right right. The first

1766
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 1: person that I ever saw make this um observation and

1767
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: then like do stand up about it was shout out.

1768
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: James Adomian has the funniest run riff on this, Like

1769
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 1: he he goes for like so long. I'm like how

1770
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: Ursula is like that old Dike behind the bar that's like, yeah,

1771
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: we're closed, but you can have another drink, you know

1772
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like she's just so that woman that's like,

1773
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: well that's like ripped from an it's also like a

1774
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 1: weird like even like her body is different than other people's,

1775
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 1: like she's overtly sexual born. Yeah, but she's also masculine.

1776
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing, but Pat Carroll doing um

1777
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: just the first time you see Ursla as she goes um,

1778
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: oh no, no, the second time you see Ursla like

1779
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: and the girls in love with the Prince and the

1780
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: like in the in the lower register and daddy love

1781
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: that so gay and like they're even like from a

1782
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: lighting standpoint they play with like oh yeah close and

1783
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Jessam two as like too gay attendants. And I mean,

1784
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, any regional production I've

1785
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 1: ever seen of the Little More May minus the Heales,

1786
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,919
Speaker 1: I ain't seen a stray Flosam and Jessum yet. Hello.

1787
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 1: That's why we were campaigning were it was? It was

1788
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: it was it was Hollywood news. We were coming campaign

1789
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: them to be in the movie. It was Hollywood news.

1790
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: It was all the trades. Do you guys should watch

1791
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: him Howard the documentary on Howard Ashman. It's good. They

1792
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of erased a lot of them. They don't erase

1793
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 1: the gay step, but they sort of like they kind

1794
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: of make it seem like he never politicized his work,

1795
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: he never made his work personal. But it's like that's

1796
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: not true, Like, don't like sideline the gay thing. I mean,

1797
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the way that like in Bohemian Rhapsody did

1798
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: it they kind of like, uh, kind of put the

1799
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 1: thing on the margin that he's gay, like completely, so

1800
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: get get hippy from like looking at a male fan

1801
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 1: and then yeah, he saw one man in a leather

1802
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden his life was over.

1803
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 1: Um but anyway, anyway, um wow, this wonderful episode. What

1804
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 1: a wonderful episode. Wonderful. Happy to be here. You to

1805
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: make my day. You make me so happy. Trailblazers. People,

1806
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this, but people

1807
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: in in whatever comedy high school where and people like like,

1808
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 1: how do we how do we like pull off a

1809
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: senior prank? Like they pull it off one like it's

1810
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: like a very senior prank. People are very aware of

1811
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: your legacy and your continued support of queer comedians and

1812
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: queer people who are standing up adjacent. I have like

1813
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: a weird I'm such a bad queer person sometimes because

1814
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh yeah, I need to make sure

1815
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: that I'm like out in my family out, So I'm

1816
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: always like, okay, well this person is so good, So

1817
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: like sometimes I try to do that, but I have

1818
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: to give you guys those flowers. But you guys are

1819
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: so good. So I'm so happy that makes that makes

1820
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,719
Speaker 1: me so happy to hear you say that. Um, we

1821
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: are the biggest fans. Everyone should be listening to the

1822
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 1: rear View two because those are a bunch of good

1823
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: Judy's and we love the show. And I just love

1824
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: the pacing of the show. I think it's such a fun,

1825
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 1: great idea and it's just it's great. And so if

1826
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 1: you like, if you like me, you can buy my album.

1827
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I had album come out in April, and it will

1828
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 1: say the name it's Jay Jordan y'all album. Yes, and

1829
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 1: it it topped, It topped, It topped the charts. Yeah,

1830
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: it was iTunes number one comedy for a few, a few,

1831
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: for a little bit for not out with like a

1832
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: couple of days. I knew that album was a top yeah,

1833
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 1: but that wasn't always the top. That album can be

1834
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to be, provided you good vibe. And

1835
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 1: on that note, and on that note, we and every

1836
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: episode of Lost Caljury it does with the song l

1837
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: a proof too much for too much for the man.

1838
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: So he's coming, man, he say he's going said, he's

1839
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: going back to Fine, going back to Fine. You know what,

1840
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: if you want to hear this, go listen. So Glady's night,

1841
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Bye bye,