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Speaker 1: Posting on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook is not the only

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Speaker 1: I'm Cadine and we're the ellis Is. You may know

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Speaker 1: us from posting funny videos with our boys and reading

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Speaker 1: about through the lens of a millennium married couple. Dead

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Speaker 1: today and it hit close to home because I remember

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Speaker 1: help him, that he understands that we all in lived together.

432
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: That's putting the neighbor back in neighborhood because you think

433
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: about it, the hood is there's a negative connotation around neighborhood,

434
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean for some people unless you're

435
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: from the hood, and then it's different because that's just

436
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: like home, that's where you're you're used to getting that love.

437
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: So showing the differentiation between putting neighbor back in it

438
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: for our young men, I think that's definitely that's definitely key. Um.

439
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: We were talking about what's cool my son, right, so

440
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: it's cool too. For example, glorify the guy who comes

441
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: home from jail. So you think about now social media

442
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: and what's cool. You know, people are young, young kids

443
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: particularly are glorifying these lives that they see on social media.

444
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: So now that you've taken the stance as an activist

445
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: and use your social media platform to push this, what

446
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: do you think about Don Lemon's call out to celebrities

447
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: who don't post in the height of protesting this year,

448
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: people who may not be using their platforms to um

449
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: you know, continue this uprising in the fight. Well, I agree,

450
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, I say that all the times, like if

451
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: we have a platform, and you have a voice and

452
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: you'll connect, if you really say that you're full the

453
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: upliftment of our culture and of our people, and why

454
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: not utilize it to say something. I just did a

455
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 1: panel off the Double Excel Freshman and in which we

456
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: interviewed me and the rest of my unto Freedom organization,

457
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: and we interviewed the next up becoming Freshman, and we

458
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: was talking about that and and they identified with the

459
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: fact that they have a responsibility. I think when you

460
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: have a voice, you have a platform, and you've and

461
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: and you've profited or for this complete then you're supposed

462
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: to give back. You're supposed to elevate those things like

463
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: I say all the time, I wanted I want my

464
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: favorite basketball players, football players, artists, everything to have some

465
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: social social responsibility. I want you to feel like you

466
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: owe it to us, because I do. I feel like

467
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: to all exactly you should feel like if you do,

468
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: and you should want you should actually want that responsibility

469
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: because this culture and these people put you in a

470
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: position to have these things. So you have to speak out,

471
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: you have to speak up. Right now, We're we're in

472
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: such a uh life changing time and error that the

473
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: more people speak up, you really can see change. Like

474
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: that's what it is like. The more that everyone is

475
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: is conscious of that and they're speaking up and they're saying, hey,

476
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: we don't like this, and we're not okay with this,

477
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to make a stand, and I'm willing

478
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: to do something, and I'm willing to sacrifice something. You

479
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: can actually see that the tide is changing, you know.

480
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: So we need as many people as possible to utilize

481
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: their platforms and voices. This is the way I talked

482
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: to my my wife about this, because she and I

483
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a not a disagreement, but

484
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: we had different ideologies. Because as a mom, when things

485
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: start to get real heavy. The first thing she wanted

486
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: to do was take care of her family first, and

487
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: I said, I understand that as a woman, and I

488
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: understand that as as a mom and a wife, but

489
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: we also have to understand that when we utilize our

490
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: social media to go back to these people and say, hey,

491
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: we're doing X, y Z, we need your support, so

492
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: we don't have a problem asking them for their support.

493
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: Now they need our support. So because we asked them

494
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: these hundreds of millions of thousands of people for their

495
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: support all the time, we have a responsibility to be

496
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: their support system because they can't necessarily reach out and

497
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: ask us for it. So, um, when we had this conversation,

498
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I never thought about it like that,

499
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: and I never thought about where she was coming from,

500
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: from the maternal instinct of having to protect home first.

501
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: So we had to come to like a common ground.

502
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: And then they'd be like, you know what, You're gonna

503
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: find a way to say it in your time, but

504
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: you got to say something, definitely, And I didn't realize

505
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: that it would be tone deaf of me to just

506
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: pretended if this was not occurring. Although I was very

507
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: aware within my household like that said, Um, but I

508
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: had to know that there were, you know, about seven

509
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: thousand people who supported me in my journey to where

510
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I am now. That was owed you know something, you know,

511
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: whether it was me posting about it, me doing content

512
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: around it, it has to be highs and lows because

513
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: we've always taken people through the highs and lows of

514
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: our our journey. So and that leads me to a

515
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: question to you about black women, because you speak up

516
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: on behalf of black women all the time. My son,

517
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: and there was one thing you said that that me

518
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: and my wife were talking about yesterday. We were watching

519
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: what was the documentary Black Boys, and they were talking

520
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: about how so many black men in prison are in

521
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: prison because of the woeful cries of white women, which

522
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: America puts white women on the pedestal. If you attack

523
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: a white woman or you become a villain to white women,

524
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: you will be dealt with accordingly. But for black women,

525
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: and when the black woman cries, it's never heard. And

526
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: you've you've been talking about this for months. Can you

527
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: speak a little bit about going through the Beyanna tailorcase

528
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: and everything that's going on and what you've seen over

529
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: the past couple of months. Well, you know, this Brianna

530
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Taylor case is its personal for me, and it's also

531
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: something that I realized throughout the cases, how serious and

532
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: how disrespected Black women are the most disrespected people. You know,

533
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: you say it all the time, and I say it

534
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: all the time, but I think that with this case,

535
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: it really made me pay attention because when you know,

536
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: when Sandra Bland happened, I was fighting because I always

537
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: fight for black women. I'm surrounded by Black women and

538
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: women just in general or all the time. It's strong,

539
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm very aware of the responsibility that

540
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: we have to fight. But when this Brianna Taylor case

541
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: happened and I really started to think about it, I

542
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: had never seen a black woman get justice like I've

543
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: never seen I've never heard the case but black women

544
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: killed by the police and somebody was even charged, I've

545
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: never heard it. I've heard one time in in in

546
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: in the officer got a way. I was fighting for

547
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: elder lady in the Bronx named Debra Dana who was

548
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: shot by the police officers. She was a sixty seven

549
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: year old woman and she was mental health and they

550
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: called the police to the house and she picked up

551
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: a pair of scissors and the police shot at three

552
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: times in the house, said that she was a threat

553
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: to him. She was sixty seven years old, and I'm

554
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out, why did you need to

555
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: shoot this woman, you know? And they be four and

556
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: I fought and I protested for forty straight days in

557
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: front of the preteen I never forget. Every day rain sleeps.

558
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: And I was out there and they finally charged. They

559
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: charged the officer, but he beat the case. But other

560
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: than that, I'm never and even that there was no justice.

561
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 1: I've never seen a black woman received any level of

562
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: justice in America, and that really really bothered me. You know.

563
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: So when I was out here and I started getting

564
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: in tune with the family and I started really understanding

565
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: this case and just and now when you see what's

566
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: going on now, the rabbit hole is even deeper. When

567
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: we talk about going on with this case. You have

568
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: this man, Daniel Cameron, who was quote unquote a black man,

569
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: who literally decided that he was going to circumvent due process.

570
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Like he literally decided, you know what, this case right here,

571
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it to I'm not gonna let

572
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: him see his day in court. I don't believe he

573
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: did it, and I believe it's right. So, you know what,

574
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna present this to the case because

575
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: based on my my own personal beliefs, I think it

576
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: made sense. And that's what people realize that with the

577
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: grand jury, that the district attorney has a right to

578
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: present whatever they think was done wrong. So he purposely

579
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: omitted the bullets that went into Brianna Taylor. He purposely

580
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: admitted that. So now the grand jury is coming out

581
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: saying we didn't even we didn't even know that this

582
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: was part of the case. Can you talk a little

583
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: bit about that. It's it's just crazy when you sit

584
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: there and you think about that, like, how did they

585
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: just justify How do you just say that we're not

586
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: even going to present that this even happened. Like I

587
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: understanding that there's an outcry by the world saying that

588
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: these officers need to be arrested. The whole world is

589
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: saying it, and you made your own decision that you're

590
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: not even going to let it be presented to a

591
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: jury to for them to even decide whether we think

592
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: it's some they need to be heard. Just have due process,

593
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, what I Many times we've got arrested for

594
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: things that we were innocent for and they had no

595
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: proof and said, well, we just gotta arrested. You go

596
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: to court, you know, fight your case, let them take

597
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: their case. Let don't let them have their day in court.

598
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: They took some woman lost her life over so much

599
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: negligence and cover ups and illegal things, and you decided

600
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: that that wasn't even pertinent to give to a jury

601
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: for them to even decide on it. And that's the problem.

602
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: And I and I when I watched your post, that's

603
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: what you're continuously arguing. You're not even in here saying

604
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: they're definitely guilty. But though you're saying let's let them

605
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: have their day in court, you don't even want to

606
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: let them have their And that's what black people don't understand.

607
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: That is crazy. That is really crazy to me. Like

608
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: I I sent jail for seven years for crime I

609
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: didn't commit. I went to I had to go to

610
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: and they had no evidence. They had one person saying

611
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: he did something. I went to jail for seven years

612
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: and you're telling me we got bullets that went into

613
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Speaker 1: a woman. They didn't even when this grand juryman they

614
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: didn't even search the woman's house. They went they were

615
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: to search for ran to search the house. They ended

616
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: up killing her and never search the house. So you

617
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: what did you go there for? What? What was the

618
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: whole the whole purpose was. We came there and had

619
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: a search for them. We was looking for something. You

620
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: never did anything that you came there for, and you

621
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: killed the woman and there's nobody responsible for nothing. Like

622
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: this system is is rigged and it's and it's not

623
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: broke because it's working the way it was designed. Say

624
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: that again, it's definitely working in this design. I tell

625
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: people all the time, like it wasn't when they had

626
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: this system in place. It was never supposed to benefit

627
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: black people. The constitution, none of this was supposed to

628
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: benefit us. So that's why it doesn't work for us.

629
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: And all the time, we really need something different. It's

630
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: a it's a slogan that I said, but it's really

631
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: we really actually need something different. We have to reconstruct

632
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: what justice looks like. You know, when a when a

633
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: justice system and in the government no longer fits the people,

634
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: then it's not fit to rule. Like we don't the

635
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: government works for us. We don't work for the government.

636
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: So if everybody is saying this ain't right, and y'all

637
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: trying to tell us it is, well, how do we

638
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: continue to listen to laws and rules that don't fit us?

639
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to say that. It's funny to

640
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: say that because our producer Trible said something to me

641
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: yesterday that was son in South Africa when they ended

642
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: apart time, they didn't amend the constitutional rights. They got

643
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: rid of the constitution that existed prior to that and

644
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: created a new constitution. And that's what America needs to

645
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: do to represent black people as more than three fifths

646
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: of a human because right now, underneath all of these laws,

647
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: and this is what I think black people need to

648
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: understand because I hear people argue all the time, you

649
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: know what, what do you expect to happen there? This

650
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: is legal, Yes, it's legal underneath constitutional laws that do

651
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: not protect and stand for black people. That's what we're

652
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: fighting for, changes to the constitution, not changes to just

653
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: police officers, because that's the big argument BLM is anti police,

654
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: their fascist Know that it's far deeper than just like

655
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: not liking somebody because of their skin color, which is

656
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like a lot of

657
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: white people are like, well, I have black friends. I

658
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, like, not all black people are bad. It's not.

659
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with that. It's the system

660
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: in place, the constitution. White supremacy is destruction. It is

661
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: the system. It's not white people in general. And that's

662
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: what people don't get. And and the police structure is

663
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: built around white supremacy. It's deep, though, Bro, what you

664
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: just said was so deep. You just said white supremacy

665
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: is not white people. It's the structure in which we exist.

666
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: People do not want to hear that. That's why they

667
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: keep trying to point to people. But that's so deep, bro,

668
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: that's deep, and it's eloquent. White supremacy is not white people,

669
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: it's the system in which we exist. Damn my sound.

670
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: You need to write another book, brog were I thought

671
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: all these explained. What if anyone follows you on social

672
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: media and it's not trying to just be a troll

673
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of people on social media just trying

674
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: to be trolls. If anyone's on social media that just

675
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: listened to the things you say and what you stand for,

676
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: it's not hard to understand why you feel the way

677
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: you do, especially since you were a product of a

678
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: system that was designed to enslave you. You understand what

679
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know firsthand, You've been there, you know.

680
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: But my thing is this, I take it because I understand.

681
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: If you look, I was going to write a post.

682
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, they called mon Luther King coon.

683
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: He was one of the most dangerous men in the world.

684
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: Malcolm X couldn't even get buried. You wouldn't buried, right.

685
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. Jesus got hung Like if

686
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: so when when I when I'm wanted talking the trolls,

687
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm in good company. The first person in the world

688
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: and all of this, I'm like everybody that I idolized,

689
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: it was told the exact same. I have no I

690
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: take the so with a grain AsSalt man, because I

691
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: understand that my mind state, it's going to trigger people.

692
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna scare people because it's not something that you're

693
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: used to. I don't just follow. I don't follow like

694
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: the sheep, like I actually critically think things I and

695
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I know, and I followed my moral compass. You know

696
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't go along like just like

697
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: he said, it's legal. No, legal and right is two

698
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: different things. I know, right wrong. You know what I'm saying,

699
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: and and and based on the Lord. If the Lord

700
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: is built on something that's wrong, then it's wrong. I

701
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: don't care if you're telling me it's right there. Somebody

702
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: was saying one of them the I forgot that. The

703
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: guy's name. He was talking during the interview that Charles

704
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Barkley and and Shaq was and he said that the

705
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: officers said they did it by the book. He said

706
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: they did it by the book and the book. No,

707
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't the white guy. It wasn't Kidny Smith, the

708
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: white he did say that. He said they did it

709
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: by the book. Then we got to fix the book.

710
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: And that's what it is for me. It's like, I

711
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: don't you can't tell me because it says somewhere that

712
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: is right, it's right, like one plus one is gonna

713
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: be too. You're not gonna tell me it's full because

714
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: somebody wrote it in the book. So this is what

715
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. People are comfortable with somebody telling them

716
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: something that doesn't make sense, and I'm not okay with that.

717
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: So I'll fight. I'll give a troll sometime when I

718
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: got time, if I got t see the best part

719
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: for me is the people who actually have the time

720
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: to troll. So instead of using the time to troll

721
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: my soign tell people how they can actually get involved

722
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: and be actual social activists and not just people talking

723
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of smack on online. But where will people

724
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: start if they really want to evoke change, whether it's

725
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: on their community level, state level, national level, give us

726
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: some give us some tips. Where can where can they go?

727
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: It's so many ways that you can go. There's so

728
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: many different things. Because everybody is not gonna be a

729
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: frontline activist. Likely they're not gonna take months away from

730
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: their family to move Kentucky to stand on the front line.

731
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna go to jail, they're not gonna risk

732
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: their lives. They're not gonna support fans, they're not gonna

733
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: put make those sacrifices. And it's cool some people are

734
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: gonna be on Instagram and tweet about it. As long

735
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: as you're doing something that's and that is evolving us,

736
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: that's pushing us somewhere higher. Like there's so many different things.

737
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: You just gotta find your entry point. We got people

738
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: that come here and were in Kentucky and they come

739
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: bring us food because they can't be out with us.

740
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: They bring us fool they mail us um all types

741
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: of health things. We've got people that sent us. There's

742
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: so many different entry ways into this movement. You just

743
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: gotta find out what it is that I do that

744
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: I know that I can contribute everybody. Some people speak,

745
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: some people don't. Some people support the people that speak,

746
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: some people financially support organizations and people who are doing

747
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: the work. It's just so many different But I just say,

748
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: we don't have the right to do nothing, Like I

749
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: don't care what you do, but you can't just do nothing,

750
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, like people be on my page like yo,

751
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: you're always doing this, Why you're not doing this? And that.

752
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okay, cool, maybe you're right, but why

753
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: don't you do what you say? I'm not You got oh,

754
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: you got a lot of arm chair critics, critics without credentials.

755
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: With my sister Linda's do something. I don't mind. I

756
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: might not. I'm not perfect. I can tell you that

757
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm not doing everything right all the time. The thing

758
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: the places I'm missing, why don't you do it? You

759
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: can create that because I created what I did create

760
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: what you feel needs to be done. But you know

761
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: what bothers me thought. Even even in you're saying that

762
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: my song, people will say, why aren't you doing this?

763
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: For stuff that you are doing, but it's not publicized

764
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: because they don't want to push that narrative. For example,

765
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: the biggest argument against bon l M or against any

766
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: any organization like Until Freedom that's pushing forth the changes,

767
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: well what about black on black crime? And they go

768
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: on my song's page all the times, but you don't

769
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: care about black on black crime. And I sit back

770
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, dude, this dude has a whole

771
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: platform where he's focusing on black on black crime, but

772
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: you won't see it in the news because they don't

773
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: want us to talk about that and that, and it's

774
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: things like that, And then what you just said that

775
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: made me realize in order to be an activist, you

776
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: have to understand that activism is understanding the fact that

777
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: people will not like you for promoting change that will

778
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: evolve us as people. And once you come to that

779
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: that point in your life, you can truly be an

780
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: activist because the trolls don't matter, the headlines don't matter.

781
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: All the bullshit that comes out don't matter because I

782
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing it for. And that's that's what

783
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: I applaud you for, bro, because you found your pocket,

784
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: you found your niche, You are true to that, and

785
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna change based on people saying I don't

786
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: like my song. You know what I'm saying. And I

787
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: think I think you need to be applauded for that,

788
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: because it's hard being a black man just existing, but

789
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: trying to be a black man that promote change and

790
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the black man that stands for black women. Forget about it,

791
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: Like now now you get it from all angles, because

792
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I've even seen black men come at my song for

793
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: promoting black women and be like, oh, you know what

794
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: about black men? He talks about black men all the time.

795
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Guys like, can we can he just not just focus

796
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: on this for right now? We're focing on this right now,

797
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: right now, we are focusing on black women. Can we

798
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: not do that? It's it's it's it's a very it's

799
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: a very um unique situation for me because, um, I'm

800
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: a person that my reputation is what I care about,

801
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: Like like I care about how I'm perceived based on

802
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: the way that I moved, you know, like I've never

803
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: when I was young, and I wasn't a person that

804
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: had a lot of money or anything, but I had

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: a good reputation with people. Anybody that said that, you

806
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: know that I actually came in contact with most of

807
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: the for the most part, they said that that dude

808
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: is a good dude instead of do So Internet was

809
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of tricky for me at first, attacking my character

810
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: because that's all I ever had. So you can't attack

811
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: my character like you can say anything about but my

812
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: character is really what is for me, So that that

813
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: was really hard for me at first, you know, and

814
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: then lately the whole attacks, Like you said, it's about

815
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: what about You don't want to talk about what's going

816
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: on the bronx and they killing people every day. You

817
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: don't say nothing about that. And in the black and

818
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: I say all the time that you know, I don't,

819
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't use the term black on black

820
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: crime because it's a false narrative, not real. There's no

821
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: such thing. Because it's proximity crimes commit crimes in the

822
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: areas where people are closest to them. That's who commit

823
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: crimes those crimes and white communities are committed by white

824
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: people to everybody. So that that term right there is

825
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: is designed to make it look like we are more

826
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: violent and we are more prone to crime than anybody.

827
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: And people don't understand that poverty creates crime. Poverty is violent.

828
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: You don't go to communities where black people are thriving.

829
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: There's no crime in those coolies, you know what I'm saying.

830
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: So when you go to the hood where people are hungry,

831
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: there's crime in those communities. You know, there's violence in

832
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: those communities. If you put any people in the in

833
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: the conditions that you put these black people in that

834
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: you say are committing these crimes, they could they do

835
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: the same exact thing. There's no different And if you

836
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: go throughout the world, the same level of crime, violence

837
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: is The overall thing is poverty. And tell people that

838
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: all the time. So I understand, I come from error,

839
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: I come from a time. I come from a place

840
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: where most people would just want to get out. You know,

841
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: most people really just trying to figure and when they

842
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: get out. If you look at most of our athletes

843
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: and when as soon as they get out of that

844
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that era and they get out of that area, and

845
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: they get out of that community. It's no more crown.

846
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: The crown changes. So we understand what it is when

847
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: we talk about defunding the police. That's what defunding the

848
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: police means. It doesn't mean we're trying to we want

849
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: anarchy and we don't want police ever. Know, we want

850
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: you to take some of the billions that you're giving

851
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: the police and give a couple of those two community activists.

852
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: Give a couple of those two UM community organizations that

853
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: can actually come you know, that actually prevent crime, because

854
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: police don't prevent crime. They don't they locked you up

855
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: after you commit the crime. They don't prevent the crime.

856
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: They only prevent two present the crimes. So the crime

857
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: is is is gonna be able to be stopped by me?

858
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Because I know everybody in the hood. So when I

859
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: go to the hood and they like a certain suches

860
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: beefing with sudden such, I sit down with both of them,

861
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: like what you're beefing over, and the respect that they

862
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: have for me is gonna bring them to the table.

863
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: So that's a murder that we stop. We got we

864
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: actually got crime, you know, UM crisis management programs in

865
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: Queens and the Bronx in Brooklyn with former people who

866
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: are gang members and and people that came home from

867
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: jail who actually prevent the crimes. So if you get them,

868
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: if you allocate those funds to them, you'll see the

869
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: crime change. You'll see different changes. But no, they don't.

870
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: They don't want to do that because they want if

871
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: fit's a narrative, they want to say, you know what,

872
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: We're not gonna fund those communities. We're gonna make sure

873
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: that the schools is the wordst the the health is

874
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: the words. We're gonna make sure everything is the worst,

875
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and we're gonna put a pandemic in the hood. And

876
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: then we're gonna say that only a sense you businesses

877
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: is the is the liquor store. So they can't go play,

878
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: no sports, can't go hang out, can't do nothing, but

879
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: you can get liquor stand on the corner and that.

880
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: And you're bringing guns in the community and saying, oh,

881
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: look how look at the savages like this is like

882
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: this is what this is what they do it to us,

883
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: and and and and and most of sometimes we get

884
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: so frustrated with us and we blame us and we

885
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: don't realize and then they say, oh, you just want

886
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: to make an excuse like this is common sense. It's

887
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: been the same play over and over that they play.

888
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: They know if they give us the same opportunities and

889
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: the same resources, that we're gonna prevail. And it's it's

890
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: done purposely. That's what the reason why they don't. I think.

891
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I think what you just explained was was brilliant because

892
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: people don't understand what defund the police is. They think

893
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: the defund the police meet just just fire all the

894
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: cops and let us do it for ourselves. But what

895
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: you're saying is allocating funds for programs that can help

896
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: promote wealth building and time management for young men and

897
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: women who have nothing but time and resources to allocate energy,

898
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: which obviously makes sense because they funded they defunded education,

899
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: like the time they took all of the acting and

900
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: all the all of the stuff, all the arts out

901
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: of schools and now these kids got nothing to do

902
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: but go to corners and just sit. So what do

903
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen? And their mothers don't have jobs.

904
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: They frustrated, you know, so what do you what do

905
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: you actually think it's happened? It's funny people have people

906
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: have yet to create the correlation that the increase because

907
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: what they're saying right now is the increase in crime

908
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: in the neighborhoods is because we're all screaming for defunding

909
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: the police without thinking that the increase in the crime

910
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: is coming from the fact that people do not have jobs.

911
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: Like people do not have work. There are millions and

912
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: millions of people who do not have work who are

913
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: trying to find ways to feed families. But y'all want

914
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: to say we're in a pandemic, Like for really, you

915
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: don't they realize how traumatic this situation was, being locked

916
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: in your house for months, Like I was going through trauma,

917
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: like I was dealing. I was angry all the time,

918
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, I was frustrated. I had to start creating

919
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: workout programs from my stuff, Like literally, I had to

920
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: do things because my mind I was losing. I found

921
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: myself drinking more like like you know what, let me

922
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: just take a drink at every night, just like, yo,

923
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the news. They're showing the deaf count.

924
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna die, Like so a young kid in the

925
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: house going through that. Nobody who ain't who's not who

926
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: hasn't really even massive this emotion who doesn't even understand

927
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: what you think. He's just still developing and he just

928
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: surrounded by that all day, all day long. Like we

929
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: are in a crisis. We are in a crisis, and

930
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: poverty is the biggest form of crisis. So when you snap,

931
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: when you put all the rest of that on top

932
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: of poverty, what you think you're gonna get? Bro, We're

933
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: gonna have you back on. We have to have you

934
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: back because this conversation is not it's not over, This

935
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: is just the beginning of the versation continuing. So we

936
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: appreciate you. But before you leave, can you please tell

937
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: everybody where to find you everything that they can do

938
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: to find you with everything that you're working on. Okay,

939
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: So my Instagram is my son n y General. You

940
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: can follow me there. On Twitter is at my song

941
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: um follow until Freedom so you can be up, you know,

942
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: updated about what we're doing to fight for Brianna Taylor.

943
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: We're doing a big march October seventeen with Brianna Taylor's

944
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: family in New York, so we want everybody to come

945
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: out there with us, UM and just you just follow

946
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: me on those those platforms. It's not hard to find.

947
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: We're back. Y'all all right, and it's listener letter time. Um,

948
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: we have someone here who's a huge fan of the show.

949
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: They say, thank you, thank you for being being willing

950
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable and transparent. My question is about your

951
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: stance on activism and what you think is Okay, I

952
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: understand the anger that black people have. I am angry,

953
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: but when it comes to looting and violence, I often

954
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: feel like that behavior sets us back and takes the

955
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: attention off of the mission. But I'm hearing so many

956
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: conflicting views. What do you think to me? This is simple, okay,

957
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: I I do not What what bothers me the most

958
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: is that the same people who have a voice on

959
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: looting often silent when it comes to the murders talk

960
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: about it, which means you mean what you tell us

961
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: is that the property and the businesses and talk people.

962
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: Yeall care about sheet rock, then you do about the

963
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: blood running through our veins and as and as a

964
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: small business owner, as a small business owner for the

965
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: past ten years, I understand that businesses are important. But

966
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: let's be real. Majority of these businesses that are in

967
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: our community are not owned by us. They constantly disrespect us.

968
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: They are owned by people who don't even live in

969
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: the communities in which they act. The people in the

970
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: need to patronize their business, so then when their businesses

971
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: get destroyed by the same people they disrespect. You cannot

972
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: be upset at the people. You understand what I'm saying.

973
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: You cannot ask a marginalized people who have been terrorized, brutalized,

974
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: and criminalized their whole life to now be civil civilized

975
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: but responding to your brutality. So what you're saying to

976
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: me is listen, I know I know I killed you.

977
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: I know I shot you, I know I shot your kids.

978
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: I know I locked your people up. But I'm gonna

979
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: need you to just be calm and don't do what

980
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: we've been doing to you for four hundred years. That

981
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: to me is what when people say to me, you'll

982
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't riot and loot. That's what you're saying to me. Man,

983
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: this woman she said it's so eloquently on this clip.

984
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: I wish I could find that. I have to dig

985
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: it up. But there was a woman that was speaking

986
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: about looting and she started off talking about like a

987
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: monopoly game, and it's like, all right, so I'm gonna

988
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: give you this money and you know, I'm gonna give

989
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: you this money, but I'm gonna take this from you,

990
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: wanna take that from you, I'm gonna take that from

991
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: And it's like you keep taking and you're taken with

992
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: all these promises of things that we're going to get

993
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's never it never comes. And I mean, let

994
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: me tell you how many times I should I feel

995
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: like we should pull that clip up at some point

996
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm talking about. But she literally

997
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: was just like, the hell with your building, the socio

998
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: economic damage that was created to black people, and why

999
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: we respond by damaging your problem? Absolutely absolutely, So it's

1000
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: a really it's a really um you have the kind

1001
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: of total line between like, you know, promoting there's no

1002
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: there's no total line. I don't I don't think that

1003
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: we promote looting. No, we're not promoting it, but just

1004
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: saying also holding people accountable who don't understand why we're looting.

1005
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: Right but but but we can't glaze over that. You

1006
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: don't promote looting, right but looting and writing is the

1007
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: voice of the voiceless. You've taken away all other options

1008
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: for them to get their point across, which is why

1009
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: they're looting and writing, protesting, the kneeling like that earlier

1010
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: in the show. You took all of that away. You

1011
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: said we couldn't peacefully protest, we couldn't nail, we can't march.

1012
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: We don't have people in positions of power or politicians

1013
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: who can help us get changed. We have to get

1014
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: your attention. You want us to stop looting. Pay attention

1015
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: when we hashtag, You want us to stop looting, Pay

1016
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: attention when we kneel, Stop moving the goal post, stop

1017
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: hijacking the narrative, and listen to what we're saying, and

1018
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: we'll stop looting. That does that's not promoting looting. But

1019
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: you gotta understand. If you're a child, right, if you're

1020
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: a child and your whole life your father has been

1021
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: whooping your ass, whipping your mom's ass every single day,

1022
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: there's gonna come a point when you grow up and

1023
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: you become a man and you say, what, I'm tired

1024
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: of these ass whoppings and I'm gonna hit this man back.

1025
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: When you decide, after take an abuse for four d years,

1026
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: that you're gonna hit your abuser back, you cannot then

1027
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: play the victim as the abuser and say this is wrong.

1028
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: You know, especially especially since this company, then let's come

1029
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: this country was gained off of a riot. You celebrate

1030
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: the Boston tea Party. You celebrate Christopher Columbus, who pretty

1031
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: much looted and rioted the indigenous people to get this land.

1032
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: These are the things we celebrate here in America. We

1033
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: have a Columbus Day. Very selective. Is that not ironic

1034
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: that we celebrate we celebrate looters and rioters when it's

1035
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: not black people. So let's be clear. We're not condoning looting,

1036
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: We're not promoting it. What I am promoting is that

1037
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: if you listen to us, we won't loot and we

1038
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: won't riot, But you cannot then point the finger at

1039
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: us when we do feel that's just what it is. Well,

1040
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: that was a great listening letter because it encompassed something

1041
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: that I think that we didn't get to discuss in

1042
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: social activism, which was what was happening, the rioting and

1043
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: the moving. Um. So thank you for that, that listener.

1044
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: But also, this is not the first time looting and rioting,

1045
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: like we said before, it has happened in America. This

1046
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: has happened in every social change forum. Every time we

1047
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: got to that point, there's always been looting and rioting,

1048
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: and it's his American as American pie. There you go.

1049
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: And if you'd like to be featured as one of

1050
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: our listener letters, y'all email us at dead as Advice

1051
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and you can email us about

1052
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: almost Emmy and everything. Yes, you know, give them, give

1053
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: the email one more time. That's dead as Advice at

1054
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. D E A D A S S

1055
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: A D V I C E at gmail dot com. Alright,

1056
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: moment of truth time, Moment of truth time. You want

1057
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: to go first? You want to go first? Umman, I

1058
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: can go first. Um. I feel like with this whole

1059
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: talk of activism, what it looks like, the social activism,

1060
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: the social media activism. The biggest thing is taking an

1061
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: introspective look at where you fall in this change system,

1062
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: picking a point, picking a position. It could be one position,

1063
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: it can be two or three, depending on what your

1064
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: interest is or where it lies or where your strengths are,

1065
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: and then investing time and energy in that as opposed

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Speaker 1: to clocking other people on what they're doing. Because the

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Speaker 1: time that you're spending clocking this person or that person,

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Speaker 1: celebrity or not, is time that can be spent. EVO

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Speaker 1: can change where you can see it, where it's tangible

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Speaker 1: for you, where you have that strength. Do that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: do that? Do that? Do that? I agree, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna piggyback on that. To me, social activism

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Speaker 1: is a personal choice. How you choose to be an

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Speaker 1: activists should be something you do daily. And I want

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Speaker 1: to give this to the people because everything you said,

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said, but I want people

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Speaker 1: to think about this. If the Underground Railroad existed in

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Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman would not be on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook,

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Speaker 1: but she'd be getting shipped done. She beginning it all

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Speaker 1: the way done. So we got to think about that

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Speaker 1: before we go out here and start to point out

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Speaker 1: who we think I'm not doing enough, take an introspective

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Speaker 1: look and realize am I doing enough exactly? Alright? Be

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