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Speaker 1: accidents that almost killed millions of people in some bullshit. Anyway,
Speaker 1: My my, my proposal, Matt, we build a shipload more Titans,
Speaker 1: and we fire all those sons of bitches off at
Speaker 1: Lake Superior until that's until it's a goddamn canyon, until
Speaker 1: that whole fucking lake is a skate park. That's right, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Come on, you think you're so great, Well, how do
Speaker 1: you like having no water? That's because we boiled it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we boil it out through the Also, I assume if
Speaker 1: we use a nuke to boil all of the water
Speaker 1: out of Lake Superior. The Southwest will get more rain, probably, right.
Speaker 1: That seems like it should solve the problems with the
Speaker 1: Colorado River. We can, it would solve climate change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's worth a shot. Right, That's that's why not. That's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my campaign slogan when I run for presidents.
Speaker 1: Just just in new detonating above Lake Superior. Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? What do we have to lose? Honestly, if
Speaker 1: the world's ending anyways, we might as well try a
Speaker 1: new Lake Superior model of strategy. Listeners, this has absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what we're talking about. It has
Speaker 1: a little bit to do with what we're talking about today. Sophie,
Speaker 1: please explain how Lake Superior well, Sophie superior by taking
Speaker 1: the name Superior, putting on airs that it's better than
Speaker 1: the rest of us, and you know who else thinks
Speaker 1: they're better than the rest of us? Nazis, hereditary nobility.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. What do you know
Speaker 1: about Napoleon? Wait? Wait, wait the third Love Love Napoleon,
Speaker 1: the third, the Napoleon, the third, I'm a huge Napoleon
Speaker 1: the third. Stam are you are? You are? You I am.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe I'm not pro Napoleon the Third,
Speaker 1: but I'm a big fan. I like that he's the
Speaker 1: actual small all Napoleon. Uh I like it was. He
Speaker 1: was a lot smaller than than Napoleon Bonaparte, who was
Speaker 1: slightly above average size for the time regular uh o G.
Speaker 1: Napoleon was like a regular guy, like regular size guy,
Speaker 1: just with a funny accent. Whereas like Napoleon the Third
Speaker 1: is the one who was actually small, and he's also
Speaker 1: the one who was like, uh, you know, he was
Speaker 1: what the first president of of of France and then
Speaker 1: immediately became the the second Emperor of France. Like it's
Speaker 1: he's he's a fascinating guy. He's a fascinating that he
Speaker 1: is the his facial hair was huge mess one who
Speaker 1: was facial hair one of the most influential dudes whoever lived.
Speaker 1: Most people, including like when I started this, I I
Speaker 1: knew some about him. I did not realize how much
Speaker 1: of the modern world was built because of this guy's fumbling,
Speaker 1: Like he created modernity mainly through fucking up and not
Speaker 1: thinking it ain't incredible. Um So there's there's two big
Speaker 1: books that I got through for this, one of which
Speaker 1: sucked in, one of which was pretty good. Um, it's
Speaker 1: the case with nobility. The fun thing about writing about
Speaker 1: hereditary European nobility is that basically every second of their
Speaker 1: lives is documented, right Like you're you're never wondering I
Speaker 1: wonder what was happening in their child? Was like, no, man,
Speaker 1: We've got like forty different letters from like people who
Speaker 1: worked in the house, and like, like we know everything
Speaker 1: about their lives. The downside is that we know everything
Speaker 1: about their lives. So this is going to be a
Speaker 1: four partner Hell yeah, exciting exciting times here before we
Speaker 1: get into Napoleon, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: give a bunch of bena drill to my baby so
Speaker 1: it sleeps for twelve Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: Let's let's both take some benity. Let's I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Let's I'll take some benadrill and hear noises that aren't
Speaker 1: there as a decide. We were hanging out recently with
Speaker 1: Dr Cavahota of the House of Pod, friend of the show,
Speaker 1: and I showed it was him and another doctor friend
Speaker 1: of his who wasn't from out of state and we
Speaker 1: were all drinking together, and I realized they hadn't heard
Speaker 1: about the ben a drill subreddit, where teenagers take insane
Speaker 1: doses of Bena drill in order to hallucinate, and I
Speaker 1: put it up. They were distraught. Was trying to log
Speaker 1: in through my friends to my friends read it account
Speaker 1: to post to warrn people to stop doing what they
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, cava. They already took the
Speaker 1: six hundred milligrams have been a drill, that they've done
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I'm so sorry, it's too late. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you can't stop this. I didn't know that there was
Speaker 1: a subwreddit about it, subreddit about it. I actually that
Speaker 1: was when I was really really into drugs at one point.
Speaker 1: I was just like looking up what kind of adverse
Speaker 1: effects can happen if you take too much of whatever drug?
Speaker 1: And there's stuff you want to avoid, obviously, like any
Speaker 1: you know, non steroidal anti inflammatories will really fuck you up,
Speaker 1: but you want to win. You want to avoid most
Speaker 1: of the d rugs that are medicine for something else
Speaker 1: unless you take a pile of them. Right, But I
Speaker 1: did read, uh you know back in those days that
Speaker 1: uh yeah, if you take a bunch of bena drill,
Speaker 1: you'll have auditory hallucinations. And I will a bunch and
Speaker 1: I played a whole symphony in my head. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: Well you had a good time, okay, Well, well no,
Speaker 1: then my back though, my spine felt like it was
Speaker 1: vibrating out of my body. It was very painful. It
Speaker 1: wasn't fun, and I think I almost died. But music, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, speaking of music, there's an overture about Napoleon, right,
Speaker 1: like the eighteen twelve overture. So anyway, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte. One day, we'll do what episodes on Napoleon.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's a fascinating bastard, but we just need to
Speaker 1: go into a little bit of history kind of about
Speaker 1: the later period of his reign because that's where the
Speaker 1: life of Napoleon the Third starts. So in eighteen o eight,
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte was the Master of Europe. He had been
Speaker 1: born in Corsica, which was on the periphery of French power,
Speaker 1: to a fairly minor noble family. Was actually more Italian
Speaker 1: than French, like in the way that we would talk
Speaker 1: about it now. But Italy was not its own thing, right,
Speaker 1: it was kind of being consistently fought over by the
Speaker 1: Austrians and the French. And yeah, yeah, in seventeen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: when we have our ourselves a French revolution. Napoleon Bonaparte
Speaker 1: was a fervent supporter of the revolution. He was a
Speaker 1: Republican for a while. I mean that in like the
Speaker 1: literal he supported a republic republic. Yeah, he was a Jacobin,
Speaker 1: or at least he yeah, yeah, yeah. And obviously like
Speaker 1: you could say, like, oh, he was, you know, lying
Speaker 1: the whole time, waiting to get power. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think people changed their opinion on stuff over time,
Speaker 1: and when I don't know whatever, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on Napoleon bought apart um, so
Speaker 1: he he did lament the execution of the King and
Speaker 1: Queen of France. But he broadly speaking, thought that the
Speaker 1: republic was a good idea and he served it exceptionally
Speaker 1: well in it as an officer in the middle of Harry,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that he was at one point briefly
Speaker 1: imprisoned during the Reign of Terror. Eventually, the post revolutionary
Speaker 1: government spoiler proved kind of dysfunctional, partly due to the
Speaker 1: fact that they kept murdering each other and a bunch
Speaker 1: of other babele uh and some different factions kept getting
Speaker 1: in power and beheading the other facts. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's a shiploadle wars, which is how Napoleon Bonaparte winds
Speaker 1: up fighting in Egypt, which you might recognize. This pretty
Speaker 1: fucking far from France. They had to get him before
Speaker 1: the British got it. I understand the entire you know,
Speaker 1: like why they did it, because they're like, no, dude,
Speaker 1: if we don't do this, fucking Britain is going to
Speaker 1: do it. But it was a terrible idea. And his
Speaker 1: experience in Egypt is it's a little bit kind of
Speaker 1: like Irwin Rommel's going to be a couple of hundred
Speaker 1: years later where he doesn't win, but everyone's very impressed
Speaker 1: with how well he does, and he kind of nearly
Speaker 1: pulls it off, so he's he's a war hero. When
Speaker 1: he comes back to France, overthrows the government and establishes
Speaker 1: himself as first So we're skimming over a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff here, but yeah, yeah, so this and a number
Speaker 1: of other things pisces off the other powers of Europe,
Speaker 1: but we're already not thrilled about the French Revolution, and
Speaker 1: one by one they start coming after him, and Napoleon
Speaker 1: beats them all. Um, he is it is you know,
Speaker 1: talking when you talk about like what makes ranking like
Speaker 1: the quality of military commanders, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: do everyone before about World War One and then everyone
Speaker 1: after because the nature of war changes so so drastically.
Speaker 1: But Napoleon up the first like several thousand years of
Speaker 1: human war. Being a good general pretty much always means
Speaker 1: the same thing, which is, right, you have this set
Speaker 1: piece military and you were able to like you are
Speaker 1: able to command it in a war of maneuver until
Speaker 1: bringing the other enemy to battle and defeating them, Right that, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what what makes you a good military commander, and
Speaker 1: it is it is arguable that Napoleon was the best
Speaker 1: at that that any human being has ever been. Um.
Speaker 1: He has a military record in terms of numbers of
Speaker 1: vic reason, terms of number of times he was outnumbered
Speaker 1: that eclipses Alexander the Great and basically everybody else. He is.
Speaker 1: He is unstoppable right up until the end when he
Speaker 1: has stopped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, to
Speaker 1: put it in modern warfare terms like his death to
Speaker 1: kill Ratio was like amazing, and he could do like
Speaker 1: three scopes all day long. That's right, he has no
Speaker 1: he no scopes the ship out of everyone in Europe
Speaker 1: for for a while. Obviously he's gonna overreach here in
Speaker 1: a little bit, but that hasn't happened. In eighteen o eight, um,
Speaker 1: things are doing great there. His armies dominate most of Europe.
Speaker 1: He's declared emperor in eighteen o four, and as soon
Speaker 1: as that happens, the Bonapartes, who again had been kind
Speaker 1: of a minor noble family, are suddenly like one of
Speaker 1: the great families of Europe. They're equal to the Habsburgs
Speaker 1: in the House of fucking windsor right, because all the
Speaker 1: fucking Europe is their domain now. Napoleon, being the head
Speaker 1: of the family, because he has effectively conquered Western Europe,
Speaker 1: starts to turn the Bonapartes into the reach of territories
Speaker 1: he's conquered. Right Like, they're my my brothers and cousins
Speaker 1: and ship like, I can trust them the best, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them kings of these areas I've captured. Alright,
Speaker 1: So this whole thing we're just gonna call it like
Speaker 1: the North Italy. Yeah, you just rule all that ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of you'all bitches takes Spain and uh fucking whatever, dude,
Speaker 1: this is it's because it's so modern, Like people look
Speaker 1: at this and they're like, wow, this is really like
Speaker 1: gangster ship. But that's the only way that feudalism has
Speaker 1: ever worked. Yeah, it's all just gangster ship. Gangster ship
Speaker 1: is based off of feudalism. That's that's that was the
Speaker 1: original gangster ship. So Joseph is the becomes the King
Speaker 1: of Naples and also the king of Spain. Um Jerome
Speaker 1: is made the king of Westphalia and I never remember
Speaker 1: where Westphalia is, but it's somewhere and somewhere west west,
Speaker 1: west and west. His sisters Elisa and Pauline become princesses.
Speaker 1: His sister Kara Len has made a queen of somewhere.
Speaker 1: Lucian actually you bring up Lucian refuses his brother Um.
Speaker 1: He will not bow to his like his kin. But
Speaker 1: Louis Napoleon Um, who is also almost as strong headed
Speaker 1: as Lucian, does, reluctantly agree to serve as king of Denmark.
Speaker 1: Now it will not surprise you to learn that Napoleon
Speaker 1: Bonaparte rules his family with the same kind of iron
Speaker 1: fist as he rules every He is literally Napoleon. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he commands them to marry who he wants them
Speaker 1: to marry. He orders them to get divorced just as easily.
Speaker 1: He names their children for them. No, no, no. Bonaparte,
Speaker 1: who accepts a royal gift is allowed to travel without
Speaker 1: his permission. He keeps them on a tight leash, but
Speaker 1: as long as their brother remains emperor, they've also got
Speaker 1: all of the wealth and influence that you know they
Speaker 1: could have only dreamed of before. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a mixed bag um. As some people know, the great
Speaker 1: love of Napoleon's life is the Empress Josephine. She had
Speaker 1: two children already when they got married, and Napoleon is
Speaker 1: going to have a bunch of children with as mistresses.
Speaker 1: But for unknown reasons, she and Napoleon are unable to
Speaker 1: conceive children together. Right, they both do have kids with
Speaker 1: other people, but they just can't together. There's theories about
Speaker 1: why that. I mean, yeah, I think the leading theories
Speaker 1: that after she has her first two kids, something happens
Speaker 1: and she's infertile. Um. But obviously we're not going to
Speaker 1: know exactly why, because this is eighteen o six or whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: zoomed the body and check on the get in there,
Speaker 1: get in there, open it up and see what's going on.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a little you know, egg topic. Napoleon baby,
Speaker 1: do the do the do the the Jurassic Park things.
Speaker 1: Suck out a little bit of Napoleon Josephee DNA and
Speaker 1: finally make that baby. Put him in a raptor cage,
Speaker 1: have fucking muldoon with a shotgun sitting outside, feed him goats.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing here. They remember they
Speaker 1: should all be destroyed. Um that it would be funny
Speaker 1: to be like a nick you doctor and and do
Speaker 1: that like how dressed up dude, Um putting bottles in
Speaker 1: their mouths. Spass twelve by your side anyway. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they are unable to have a kid together, which is
Speaker 1: a problem because Napoleon is the Emperor of France and
Speaker 1: you know, having an air is kind of important. Um.
Speaker 1: So he's got some kids with his side, check eleanor.
Speaker 1: But you know they're not legal kids. So eventually Napoleon
Speaker 1: is going to divorce Josephine, although he remains in love
Speaker 1: with her for the rest of his life. It's a
Speaker 1: complicated story, but he divorces her to marry a teenage
Speaker 1: girl named Mary Louise. She is eighteen, which is I
Speaker 1: gotta say, from by the standards of European royalty in
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. He likes them old. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. Like that is basically like ten years from
Speaker 1: death at this point, so you are that was legally
Speaker 1: fifty five years old back then. So um. He marries
Speaker 1: Marie Louise, who is the daughter of the Emperor of Austria,
Speaker 1: to try to get himself a baby that it can
Speaker 1: be his heir. But in the meantime, you know, anything
Speaker 1: could happen. You've got it. He's constantly going to war
Speaker 1: and ships, so you've got to take actions to ensure
Speaker 1: that the burgeoning house of Bonaparte has an actual line
Speaker 1: of secession. For reasons that makes sense to royalists, Napoleon
Speaker 1: Bonaparte decides the best thing he can do is Mary,
Speaker 1: Josephine's daughter, who a tens off to his younger brother Lewis,
Speaker 1: to connect the families by blood. Their children would be
Speaker 1: bonapartes and thus eligible to inherit the empire now. And
Speaker 1: again that's actually shows kind of even though he does
Speaker 1: divorce her in this way, that's kind of sucked up
Speaker 1: that he loves Josephine because he's like, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make sure my air is a mix of her
Speaker 1: blood and my blood, even though we can't conceive a
Speaker 1: child together, which is fascinating. I actually can't really think
Speaker 1: of another case of something like that. It's very interesting story, Simp.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's the biggest jose Osophine simple of
Speaker 1: all time, you know, like he's, uh, he was a
Speaker 1: simple and we have all of his letters to prove it.
Speaker 1: And listen, I am also Simp. So I just want
Speaker 1: to say, uh, Simp, pride, and I don't think we
Speaker 1: should use it as a slurk about that. Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, Matt, we could call him the simperer Napoleon. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go, all right, we got funds, all right. So,
Speaker 1: as with most royal marriages, no consideration was given as
Speaker 1: to whether or not Louis and Hortense actually wanted to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship that was not at all important
Speaker 1: to Napoleon Bonaparte um, I'm gonna quote now from Louis,
Speaker 1: Napoleon and the Second Empire, a book by J. M. Thompson,
Speaker 1: And this is the biography that I did not like
Speaker 1: as much. Quote. She was not in love with Louis
Speaker 1: and he did not want to marry, but they could
Speaker 1: not withstand the Emperor's will. And we're made man and
Speaker 1: wife by the papal legate, Cardinal Caprara on January four,
Speaker 1: eighteen o two. On October ten, the same year, their
Speaker 1: first son was born, named Napoleon Charles. On October four
Speaker 1: a second son, named Napoleon Louis. By this time, everyone
Speaker 1: knew that the marriage was a failure. Lewis negrect, neglected
Speaker 1: his wife, disliked her girlish tastes, suspected her friendships, and
Speaker 1: spied on her at every turn. She pined for Paris
Speaker 1: and Malmaison, and resented his puritanical discipline. So it's not
Speaker 1: a love marriage. It's not going great. She wants to
Speaker 1: have a life, and he is angry whenever she does
Speaker 1: anything but like sit like a nun in her house. Also,
Speaker 1: as a heads up, his first two kids are Napoleon
Speaker 1: Charles and uh Napoleon Lewis he is Louis Napoleon. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: Robert here. Uh sorry, I make a number of mistakes
Speaker 1: about royalty early on. I am trying to correct them.
Speaker 1: Now he's not Louis Napoleon. He's Louis Bonaparte. Now keep
Speaker 1: that in mind, because I'm about to call him Louis
Speaker 1: Napoleon a bunch of times. It is very frustrating. But
Speaker 1: now the brother of Napoleon Bonaparte is Louis Bonaparte. His
Speaker 1: sons are Louis Napoleon and Napoleon Lewis, but they are
Speaker 1: also bona Parts. I'm sorry, this is very frustrating. I
Speaker 1: made some mistakes here. Um, their uncle is Napoleon Bonaparte.
Speaker 1: The names are going to be frustrating in the first
Speaker 1: episode or so of this. Yeah, it's gonna be difficult
Speaker 1: to tell them all apart. Yeah, so Louis Napoleon again.
Speaker 1: The dad Napoleon Bonaparte's brother is also one of Napoleon's
Speaker 1: best generals, right, Like, this is not a case where
Speaker 1: he just like makes his brother in general and he's
Speaker 1: at the Napoleon's Louis Napoleon is a very capable field commander,
Speaker 1: and he runs his house like a household of soldiers.
Speaker 1: Nothing Hortense did was ever good enough for him. It
Speaker 1: was a sad marriage, and her only comfort was her
Speaker 1: confusingly named sons, Napoleon Charles and Napoleon Lewis. Like all
Speaker 1: tales of European nobility, this again has about a hundred
Speaker 1: people with the same name, and we'll do the best here.
Speaker 1: So Napoleon Bonaparte is an interesting guy. He's he's a monster,
Speaker 1: and I mean he kills millions of people or gets
Speaker 1: them killed. But he also is like a weirdly understanding
Speaker 1: dude in some ways. And he saw the way that
Speaker 1: his brother Lewis was acting in the marriage, and from
Speaker 1: a castle in Pole and where he was with the time,
Speaker 1: living with his mistress, he sends his brother a letter, quote,
Speaker 1: your quarrels with the queen are becoming private public property,
Speaker 1: if only you would keep for family life the fatherly
Speaker 1: and effeminate disposition you exhibit in the sphere of sphere
Speaker 1: of government, and apply to public affairs the severity that
Speaker 1: you display at home. You jew your young wife like
Speaker 1: a regiment of soldiers. You have the best and worthiest
Speaker 1: wife in the world, and yet you are making her unhappy.
Speaker 1: Let her dance as much as she likes. She is
Speaker 1: just the age for it. Do you expect a wife
Speaker 1: of twenty who sees her life slipping away and dreams
Speaker 1: of all she is missing to live in a nunnery
Speaker 1: or a nursery with nothing to do but bathe her baby.
Speaker 1: Make Cortense happy. She is the mother of your children.
Speaker 1: The only way to treat her with all The only
Speaker 1: way to treat her is with all possible trust and respect.
Speaker 1: It's a pity she is so virtuous. If you were
Speaker 1: married to a flirt, she would lead you by the nose.
Speaker 1: But she is proud to be your wife and is
Speaker 1: pained and repelled by the mere idea that you may
Speaker 1: be thinking poorly of her. That's like pretty good, actually right,
Speaker 1: And it's also coming from a place of like, do
Speaker 1: you know how lucky you are to have a lady
Speaker 1: who's not cheating on you all the time? Okay? And
Speaker 1: you know how luck you are? Yea? I do? I do?
Speaker 1: It does kind of make me like him more to
Speaker 1: hear him be like, dude, let her dance. She's a kid,
Speaker 1: What do you what do he wants? Chill out? Stop
Speaker 1: being a dick. It is funny that Louis Napoleon is
Speaker 1: was was basically like, uh, you know, all she wants
Speaker 1: to do all day is dance and other girls stuff,
Speaker 1: And it's like, can we write a fucking horse, please please?
Speaker 1: It's interesting too. The Napoleon's are fat, the Bonta parts
Speaker 1: are fascinating because Louis Napoleon is a dick. At this point,
Speaker 1: he's going to evolve into like the only correct person
Speaker 1: in the entire story. This Louis Napoleon, not his son,
Speaker 1: also Louis Napoleon. Ye, well, this is Louis Bonaparte. Sorry,
Speaker 1: not Louis Bonaparte. His son is Louis Napoleon. I hate,
Speaker 1: I hate the fucking names. Um. So shortly after sending
Speaker 1: this letter, uh, Louis Napoleon's sung young Napoleon lewis or
Speaker 1: sorry Louis bonaparte son young Napoleon, Louis horrible. He gets
Speaker 1: he gets one of the infinite number of sicknesses that
Speaker 1: little kids get back then and he's he's soon dead
Speaker 1: as hell. Um very sad. Yeah, this tragedy shocks Louis
Speaker 1: Bonaparte into acting less like a piece of ship for
Speaker 1: a little while, like he tries to be chill with
Speaker 1: his wife because their kid just died. Um. He's doing
Speaker 1: his best. He's not like a goblin. For his part,
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte is concerned about the fact that he's down
Speaker 1: in air right, but to his credit, he doesn't focus
Speaker 1: primarily on that. He focuses his attention on Hortense again.
Speaker 1: He really loves her like a daughter, um, and he
Speaker 1: writes to her that he's worried because, quote, you have
Speaker 1: lost interest in life and are indifferent to everything. So,
Speaker 1: which is also an understanding way to feel in that situation.
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting that he recognizes that, Uh. This
Speaker 1: makes Charles Napoleon the heir to the empire, which is
Speaker 1: quite a lot of pressure. That pressure gets eased a
Speaker 1: little bit on April eight when Louis Bonaparte and Hortense
Speaker 1: have their third son, who they named Louis Napoleon Bonaparte.
Speaker 1: So we just lost Napoleon Lewis. Now we've got Louis Napoleon,
Speaker 1: who's the focus of the episode, son of Louis Bonaparte.
Speaker 1: So Louis Bonaparte is the King of Holland, brother of
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte. His son's Charles Napoleon and Louis Napoleon are
Speaker 1: now the kids that I hate this too, and you're
Speaker 1: very frustrated would have learned from this by now, But
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, I was just reading that ten
Speaker 1: percent of the US Senate is now made up of
Speaker 1: John's unbelievable. Should be illegal, should be a crime, like
Speaker 1: did we not learn from Napoleon? Get a new name?
Speaker 1: What do you know? El? Should you know? What? Else?
Speaker 1: Should be a crime? Allowing the great late to exist unmolested? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the real sedition Funck this January sixth
Speaker 1: ship We need to investigate sympathizers with the Great Lakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of the Great Lakes, have you heard the the
Speaker 1: viral song about Michigan's governor Gretchen Whitmer called big Gretch?
Speaker 1: Because it's a vibe? Is it like a pro gretch song? Right?
Speaker 1: Like funk with us? We got big Gretch? It's really
Speaker 1: it made me as as a as a person with
Speaker 1: relatives from Michigan. It made me laugh. It's only Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we keep the Great Lakes in Michigan and just
Speaker 1: get rid of the ones that aren't in Michigan, which
Speaker 1: is is like Michigan, the one that's in Michigan. So
Speaker 1: you know, do you guys remember when we did de
Speaker 1: bathification in Iraq. That's what we need to do with
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes. Yeah, we need to de bath it,
Speaker 1: make it not a giant bath no more. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm losing my mind. I haven't
Speaker 1: slept in eight days. Um, yeah, we should do that
Speaker 1: with the Lake Superior and all the lakes. Dude, destroy
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes are the real cabal. You know? I agree? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Do you hear that, Kanye, It's not the people who
Speaker 1: you think are. Yeah, let's go death on three. Let's
Speaker 1: go death con three on the Great Lakes. Death Gone three.
Speaker 1: Napoleon's gonna be like fucking Cyrus the Great, or Kanye
Speaker 1: is gonna be like Cyrus the Great ordering him in
Speaker 1: to whip the lake. Yes, we need baby. I love
Speaker 1: a good Cyrus the Great reference on man, he was
Speaker 1: pretty good. He was pretty good. Here's some ads. We're back.
Speaker 1: I've just been ugling pictures of Cyrus the Great incredible cabs. Um,
Speaker 1: I have a time machine. I only used it to
Speaker 1: get photos of the calves of historical hotties. Um could
Speaker 1: have stopped nine eleven shows not to just let that
Speaker 1: one happen. I went back to nine just to be like,
Speaker 1: I ain't stopping this. Yeah I didn't. I ain't nothing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Let's talk about all of the different people named Louis Napoleon,
Speaker 1: his father, who was Louis Bonaparte, not Louis Napoleon, but
Speaker 1: who I will probably mistakenly call Louis Napoleon another couple
Speaker 1: of times in this story. Yeah, periodically is going to
Speaker 1: be a dick, but pretty much after this point he
Speaker 1: gets increasingly chill um. So you know, people grow over time.
Speaker 1: The marriage, though, between Louis Bonaparte and Hortense, is unhappy
Speaker 1: enough that Louis asks his brother Napoleon Bonaparte for permission
Speaker 1: to have a divorce soon after the birth of Louis Napoleon,
Speaker 1: the focus of our episode. But since Napoleon had just
Speaker 1: divorced Josephine so he could marry a teenager to have babies,
Speaker 1: felt that imperial prestige had taken enough of a hit
Speaker 1: from the divorce already, and so he told his brother no.
Speaker 1: So the earliest years of Louis Napoleon's life included frequent
Speaker 1: fights between his mother and father and long periods of
Speaker 1: separation where he generally spent time with his mom. He
Speaker 1: does not really have a relationship with his dad for
Speaker 1: most of the first like fourteen years of his life. Um,
Speaker 1: why he's so tiny. It stunted his growth. It's stunted
Speaker 1: his growth. That's right, that's right, Dad's dad's are how
Speaker 1: you get tall? Um? Now, it is unlikely that he
Speaker 1: had much memory of the period in which his father
Speaker 1: was King of Holland because an eighteen ten, when he's two,
Speaker 1: Louis Bonaparte has a series of fights with his brother,
Speaker 1: and it all came down to Napoleon Bonaparte controlling nature.
Speaker 1: He wanted his brothers to act as regents only if
Speaker 1: he do what they said, acting as his proxies, and
Speaker 1: Louis Bonaparte is a guy with some integrity. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm the king, then I should be like making
Speaker 1: my own decisions. And when he realizes that that's not okay,
Speaker 1: he's like, well, fuck it, I abdicate. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's the point of me being a kid if my
Speaker 1: stupid brother is just gonna tell me how to do kingship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he quits. Uh. He flees to Bohemia, leaving his
Speaker 1: wife in charge of the kid. And now that his
Speaker 1: brother isn't king anymore, Napoleon doesn't care if they stay together,
Speaker 1: and he gives Hortense a pile of money to live
Speaker 1: peacefully in Paris with her sons his who are still
Speaker 1: his heirs. Right their kids are still his heirs to
Speaker 1: the throne. Um. Now, as is sometimes the case, things
Speaker 1: between Louis Bonaparte and Hortense get better after they split up. Um.
Speaker 1: They just are not people who should have ever been married.
Speaker 1: Um Uh, And the two remain married but separated the
Speaker 1: rest of hortense Is life. This is probably best for
Speaker 1: everyone involved, but it means that a little Louis grows
Speaker 1: up his father is this distance seldom see scene figure. Um.
Speaker 1: He deeply admires his dad because his dad's a war
Speaker 1: hero and a former king, but he doesn't know him well. Um.
Speaker 1: And as Hortense had found, it was very difficult for
Speaker 1: him to be good enough for Louis Bonaparte. One biography
Speaker 1: writes that during this time he quote knew of his
Speaker 1: father only as an enemy. Some sources have claim that
Speaker 1: Emperor Napoleon himself kind of sailed into the gap to
Speaker 1: act as the main male role model for Louis during
Speaker 1: this period. This is sort of true, but not in
Speaker 1: a way that means he was like there regularly. It
Speaker 1: still probably means the young Louis Lewis has like five
Speaker 1: memories of ever meeting the guy. Biographer J. M. Thompson writes, quote,
Speaker 1: Louis Napoleon would be too young to remember more, perhaps
Speaker 1: than the impression of a sleek, tubby, talkative little man
Speaker 1: who took him on his knee, lifting him alarmingly by
Speaker 1: his head, a man with a menacing eye and a
Speaker 1: habit of shouting behind cloud closed doors at ministers or ambassadors.
Speaker 1: It was the rule that Hortense and her children should
Speaker 1: dine once a week at the tuleries, where the Emperor
Speaker 1: would make them sit at the table and tell them
Speaker 1: stories from La Fontagne between conversations with the actors, architects,
Speaker 1: or officials who might have business to do with him. Now,
Speaker 1: La Fontagne, and that's who Napoleon Bonaparte, these kids who
Speaker 1: are his heirs, he's reading them stories from this French
Speaker 1: author who writes fables. Right, La Fontagne is a French
Speaker 1: author who wrote Fables in the late sixteen hundreds, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, like, what kind of bedtime stories
Speaker 1: to Napoleon Bonaparte think we're like valuable to give his heirs,
Speaker 1: because you have to assume he was a pretty intentional guy,
Speaker 1: like he picked them for a reason. I found a
Speaker 1: write up by Russell Gannon that explains why Napoleon likely
Speaker 1: thought these stories in particular were good to raise his
Speaker 1: young heirs with quote. For the most part, the discourse
Speaker 1: on authority communicated in the illustrated Fables portrays a kind
Speaker 1: of enlightened despotism that advocates centralized authority, but one that
Speaker 1: protects those who do not wield influence and affirms their
Speaker 1: right to respect grievance or express grievances, which is kind
Speaker 1: of the way the Napoleon runs things like, you're not
Speaker 1: it's not totalitarian. You're allowed to like make fun of
Speaker 1: him and stuff. It's just like liberal because he knows
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He was an enlightened despot. That's exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, I have all the power, I have
Speaker 1: the best army in the world. You guys can talk
Speaker 1: a little bit of ship. Yeah, you can talk some ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Um. As master of Europe, Napoleon is like
Speaker 1: traveling a lot. He spends less than a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty days in Paris during the time that he was emperor,
Speaker 1: and Louis is a human being, so again, not around
Speaker 1: a lot. By the time Louis was for Napoleon had
Speaker 1: gone off to fight in Russia, which goes as well,
Speaker 1: goes as well as fighting for Russia usually goes for everyone,
Speaker 1: including Russia. It is doesn't end well. Um, he loses
Speaker 1: his empire. Uh. This leads to a brief period where
Speaker 1: the Bonaparte family are still in position across Europe, but
Speaker 1: the Allies have like forced Napoleon into exile. Uh. They
Speaker 1: send troops into Paris, and oddly enough, this is not
Speaker 1: a bad memory for young Louis Napoleon. Um so Alexander
Speaker 1: that it's the second to the third. He's the Alexander
Speaker 1: who's going to become Czar. He's he's he's Nikki's dad, right. Uh,
Speaker 1: so hey, Robert here I fucked up again? So again royalty.
Speaker 1: Very frustrating. Alexander the first was already Zar when he
Speaker 1: entered Paris in eighteen fourteen UM. He is going to be.
Speaker 1: He's the brother of Czar Nicholas the first, who is
Speaker 1: the father of Czar Alexander the second, who is the
Speaker 1: father of Nicholas the second, who is the nikki that
Speaker 1: we covered in our four partner. He's the one with
Speaker 1: Rasputin and the getting murdered and all that stuff. Again royalty,
Speaker 1: very frustrating, very complicated, too many names that are the same.
Speaker 1: And he's not the czar yet, he's the Tsarevitch right,
Speaker 1: he's but he he winds up with his army in
Speaker 1: the French capital in eighteen fourteen UM, and he actually
Speaker 1: becomes really close with Hortense and Louis Napoleon and his
Speaker 1: brother Napoleon Charles or whatever. Despite having watched like again
Speaker 1: Alexander helps wage one of those devastating wars in history
Speaker 1: against her father in law. But despite all this, he's
Speaker 1: extremely kind to Hortense and becomes a close friend, often
Speaker 1: showing up to check in on her. He just kind
Speaker 1: of recognizes well her, you know, her her her her
Speaker 1: dad and her h or sorry, her mom and herr.
Speaker 1: Her father in law basically have been like forced out.
Speaker 1: This is scary, you know, I'm gonna I'll check in
Speaker 1: on her. She's a young mom and six. I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're doing okay. I've been killing
Speaker 1: all your people. Yeah, this is the guy who will
Speaker 1: have a who will who will force a train conductor
Speaker 1: to crash a train drunkenly and then blame it on
Speaker 1: the juice. So not shouldn't be mistaken about how quality
Speaker 1: a man this is. So he's like he's he's becomes
Speaker 1: close to the family. Six year old Louis Napoleon is
Speaker 1: so grateful to the futures are for comforting his mother that,
Speaker 1: during one visit quote, the little fellow sidled up to
Speaker 1: him and quietly placed one of those oars. Upon one
Speaker 1: of these oars fingers a ring in which his prince,
Speaker 1: his uncle, Prince Eugene, the Viceroy of Italy, had given him.
Speaker 1: The boy, and, being asked by his mother what he
Speaker 1: meant by this, said, I have only this ring, which
Speaker 1: my uncle gave me, but I have given it to
Speaker 1: the Emperor Alexander because he has been so kind to you,
Speaker 1: dear mama um, and Czar Alexander keeps the ring for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. So that's cool. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a sweet kid. Like again, he's like six at this point,
Speaker 1: he hasn't done anything wrong. Um, this is just like
Speaker 1: a guy who's nice to his mom in a difficult time. Now,
Speaker 1: if you know the Napoleon story, you know he's back
Speaker 1: from exile pretty quick. He just kind of sails to France.
Speaker 1: They send the army to stop and he's like, hey, army,
Speaker 1: you remember that, like we used to be cool when
Speaker 1: we did it again, and they're like, absolutely, Napoleon, let's
Speaker 1: do it. My favorite part about it is that like
Speaker 1: the Bourbons were back for like six months, they have
Speaker 1: like a couple of months. Yeah, and then people were
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this fucking sucks. And Napoleon just walks
Speaker 1: over like can I be emperor again? And all the
Speaker 1: armies like yeah, well yeah, yeah he is hard to
Speaker 1: overstayd how popular Napoleon Bonaparte's very popular. Yeah, so for
Speaker 1: a little bit, the Bonapartes are the first family in Paris. Again,
Speaker 1: this does not last very long. Um. The last time
Speaker 1: Louis Napoleon will ever see his uncle is the night
Speaker 1: before Napoleon departs to march with his army for Waterloo.
Speaker 1: As he says goodbye to his heir, Louis Napoleon tells him,
Speaker 1: tells Napoleon Bonaparte quote, Sire, I don't want you to
Speaker 1: go to the war. Those wicked allies will kill you.
Speaker 1: The emperor was standing next to his number one military commander,
Speaker 1: Marshal suit Sult. I don't know how to pronounce that
Speaker 1: fucking name. Napoleon could not bring himself to hug his heir,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's eighteen twelve, So he tells Sult
Speaker 1: embraced the child, Marshall. He has a good heart. Perhaps
Speaker 1: one day he will be the hope of my race.
Speaker 1: WHOA I could not hug the child, but I will
Speaker 1: have my my chief military my child's hand. He's just weeping.
Speaker 1: Shake his hand. Don't wipe his tears. That's too kind.
Speaker 1: So after this, Napoleon marches off to Waterloo. Doesn't go
Speaker 1: well for him. He gets exiled for the final time.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in that period. Bill and Ted take him into
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, but I forget exactly when his family
Speaker 1: never sees him again. Though. After this point, the Bonapartes
Speaker 1: are pariah's in Europe. Right they lose their kingdoms. They
Speaker 1: are four It is illegal to exist in France as
Speaker 1: a bonaparte. After this period they are banned from the country. Um.
Speaker 1: Some of that is because the Bourbon family takes over
Speaker 1: and they're like, we can't let these people ever exist
Speaker 1: in France again. And another part of it is that
Speaker 1: like all of Europe is frightened of Napoleon in a
Speaker 1: way that like there's really not a guy like that.
Speaker 1: It's like if yeah, I don't know, I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's ever been like Hitler's the closest.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like we hate Hitler because he
Speaker 1: was just like this monstrous engine of evil. Napoleon is
Speaker 1: like just feared because of how he like he was
Speaker 1: just very competent, right, and he people were, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was doing all of the things that like really, uh
Speaker 1: like we're a threat to I think royal royalism in general.
Speaker 1: Like not only was he like had the best army
Speaker 1: in the world, was super super popular. You know, he's
Speaker 1: like royals don't need to be popular, they just need
Speaker 1: to be more. He's popular and he's liberalizing, so he's
Speaker 1: doing everything right. It's like he represents probably the biggest
Speaker 1: threat to royalism in Europe. Uh, ever at this if
Speaker 1: you if you read the way they talked about him
Speaker 1: like the crown other crownheads of Europe. They talk about
Speaker 1: him like an alien or a plague, like a monster,
Speaker 1: like like like something supernatural. That's that's the way. So anyway,
Speaker 1: they are on the run basically like his family is
Speaker 1: on the run in Europe for a while because nobody
Speaker 1: will fucking take them. Um, Louis is installed as king
Speaker 1: of France. Uh, I'm gonna veer between using Louis and
Speaker 1: Lewis an umber of times, as I'm going to mispronounce
Speaker 1: most of the French things in this episode. You can,
Speaker 1: you can deal with it. Look, if you want someone
Speaker 1: who can pronounce things in his competent, listen to Mike
Speaker 1: Duncan exactly. I love Mike Duncan. I love Mike Duncan,
Speaker 1: but you can't pronounce thing. He tries real hard though
Speaker 1: he's better than me, better than most. Um, yeah, he tries.
Speaker 1: We are not going to try all that. Uh. So
Speaker 1: that's what this podcast is about, not your goddamn you're
Speaker 1: goddamn right, It is natally so. Uh. He agrees to
Speaker 1: preserve he had agreed when he had taken power the
Speaker 1: first time before Napoleon came back to preserve all of
Speaker 1: the liberties granted by the revolutionary Constitution. Um, he doesn't
Speaker 1: do this when he comes back the second time. He
Speaker 1: cracks down a lot more that time, but there's there
Speaker 1: they're like, we're doing the white terror about that. He
Speaker 1: also he doesn't get to make it an absolute monarchy again,
Speaker 1: because like, the Republicans are still very powerful in France,
Speaker 1: and like, all right, well, if you which too far,
Speaker 1: we did murder all of you once, like this could
Speaker 1: happen again. Let's not be too fucking cocky, right, yeah
Speaker 1: it so Under Louis the eighteenth France returns to being
Speaker 1: kind of a a mid level power in Europe. Right,
Speaker 1: They are certainly nowhere near the heights they had experienced
Speaker 1: on a Napoleon, which they don't love. Uh. He intervenes
Speaker 1: after a few years in a Spanish civil war, h
Speaker 1: taking Madrid from rebels who had deposed the king, but
Speaker 1: he removes his troops once the fighting is done, which
Speaker 1: kind of proves to the British that France is no
Speaker 1: longer like trying to take over Europe. Louis the Eighteenth
Speaker 1: dies in September eighteen twenty four, when Louis Napoleon is
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. UM Now his father had finally become
Speaker 1: a more regular force in his life. Two years earlier,
Speaker 1: UM again, Louis Bonaparte, his chunk of the family, had
Speaker 1: spent the intervening years after Napoleon's defeat living kind of
Speaker 1: his nomads, sometimes hounded by the authorities. UM. It was
Speaker 1: not until eighteen seventeen that Hortense received Persian to settle
Speaker 1: in Bavaria with her son. Soon after, she was allowed
Speaker 1: to set little in Switzerland to where she moved onto
Speaker 1: a fancy estate and her oldest son goes off to
Speaker 1: live with it. So Napoleon Charles goes off to live
Speaker 1: with Louis Bonaparte, but Prince Louis Napoleon, who is still
Speaker 1: technically Napoleon bonapartes air or second air after his older
Speaker 1: brother lives in Switzerland with his mom. Right, that's where
Speaker 1: he grows up. And he's yeah, I'm gonna quote now
Speaker 1: from the book The Shadow Emperor by Alan strass Schaum,
Speaker 1: which is the book about Napoleon the third that I enjoyed. Quote,
Speaker 1: the past couple of years of continuous personal upheaval and uncertainly,
Speaker 1: certainty had taken a permanent toll on both Hortense and
Speaker 1: her son, Louis Napoleon. Always at the back of her
Speaker 1: mind was the anxiety that soldiers would once again appear
Speaker 1: on her doorstep with signed orders from the British Foreign
Speaker 1: Office and the other four members of the Allied Coalition
Speaker 1: to expel her and her young family from yet another country.
Speaker 1: That young Prince Louis Napoleon had became as cautious and
Speaker 1: wary as his mother, As his mother of people and
Speaker 1: of the preferred friendship of newcomers, what's hardly surprising. For
Speaker 1: the first time in his life, the young nine year
Speaker 1: old Prince Louis Napoleon had a permanent roof over his head.
Speaker 1: In eighteen seventeen his first home in Augsburg, where he
Speaker 1: soon attended regular classes at the gymnasium or high school
Speaker 1: with other members of the aristocracy. Of the aristocracy and
Speaker 1: how to bourgeoisie, he was cautiously happy. Gradually, the anxiety
Speaker 1: of the volcanic events of the last three years following
Speaker 1: the fall of Napoleon now eased his new daily route.
Speaker 1: His classes were in German, of course, and he quickly
Speaker 1: became fluent in that language, gradually coming to the point
Speaker 1: where he spoke French at home with a German accent,
Speaker 1: which remained with him for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: And sorry, his older brother is sixteen. He's nine when
Speaker 1: they get a permanent home. So it's worth noting that
Speaker 1: even at the worst points in their flight, the Bonapartes
Speaker 1: were never anything but very wealthy and comfortable. The other
Speaker 1: crowned heads of Europe may have hated and feared Napoleon,
Speaker 1: but they hated the idea that high royalty could ever
Speaker 1: become poor or destitute. Even more right, it's kind of
Speaker 1: more frightening for them to think that someone could fall
Speaker 1: that far. As a result, the in the parts keep
Speaker 1: their fortunes and continue. They when I say they're like
Speaker 1: living as nomads, they're like traveling between mansions and estates
Speaker 1: and castles, right, often living at someone else's castle for
Speaker 1: a while, but still a castle. Um. Yeah, none of
Speaker 1: them are ever living in shacks and wearing no burlap
Speaker 1: sack for clothes, like they're doing rich people's ship. But
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they don't have the deed to
Speaker 1: the property. Maybe it's like when a billionaire goes to prison,
Speaker 1: and his prison is nicer than like anyone any of
Speaker 1: my l A U. S. D. Schools that I went to.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the way. It's this nice. You guys
Speaker 1: have faster Internet than my high school. So as a
Speaker 1: result of all this, Louis Napoleon grows up fearing not
Speaker 1: the Allied nations who had broken his uncle, but his
Speaker 1: own father, right, And it's not the fear. He's not
Speaker 1: afraid that his dad's going to hit him. His dad,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, is never physically abusive, and
Speaker 1: I don't even think he's mentally abusive really. He's instead
Speaker 1: just intensely constantly critical of everything his son tries to do.
Speaker 1: And normally I'd say that's not good. But his son
Speaker 1: is a giant ship heead Louis Napoleon is a is
Speaker 1: a huge ship head, so Louis Bonaparte is right to
Speaker 1: be constantly critical with him. Biographer Alan strass Sham writes, quote,
Speaker 1: no one can begin to understand Napoleon the third without
Speaker 1: fully comprehending the significance of that negative father son relationship,
Speaker 1: leaving a much battered ego and sense of self esteem
Speaker 1: helplessly suppressed and humiliated by a twisted, unstable father. I
Speaker 1: give you my heartfelt blessings, his father wrote, following a
Speaker 1: son's first communion in April ninth one. I pray that
Speaker 1: God gives you appear in grateful heart towards him, He
Speaker 1: who was author of all that is good, and he
Speaker 1: sheds his light on you, even that you may fulfill
Speaker 1: your duties to your country and your parents, and that
Speaker 1: you may understand the differences between right and wrong. This
Speaker 1: was probably the most benevolent letter his father ever wrote.
Speaker 1: It was to prove as rare as snows of the Sahara.
Speaker 1: So A particularly fascinating ex ample of the relationship between
Speaker 1: these two guys comes in January of eighty nine, when,
Speaker 1: at age twenty one, Louis Napoleon who you know, he's
Speaker 1: He's He's done a mandatory period of service in the
Speaker 1: Swiss military at this point, he's going to become an
Speaker 1: officer there. Eventually he decides he might want to take
Speaker 1: up a military career as a more permanent thing. Now,
Speaker 1: this is obviously the Bonaparte family business. His father's a
Speaker 1: very good general, his uncle's the best of all time.
Speaker 1: And you might think Louis Bonaparte would have approved his
Speaker 1: son joining the military, But Louis has just fought through
Speaker 1: the worst war maybe in human history up to that point, um,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of been like traumatized by it. He's yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So his son, Louis Napoleon wants to join
Speaker 1: the Russian army, and this has opened him because the czar,
Speaker 1: you know, it's close with his mom, right, this is
Speaker 1: a thing that he can work out. He's got the ring,
Speaker 1: He's like the ring. Yeah, I just want to serve.
Speaker 1: At the moment, the Russians are kind of fighting one
Speaker 1: of their brutal, grinding wars against the Turks and the
Speaker 1: Balkans and the Black Sea area, and Louis Napoleon writes
Speaker 1: back or Louis Bonaparte writes back to Louis Napoleon that
Speaker 1: while fighting Muslim barbarians is an honorable task, it's not
Speaker 1: honorable the way his son plans to do it. He writes, quote,
Speaker 1: to be share, nothing is finer than military glory, to
Speaker 1: know that everyone is talking about you, To command armies
Speaker 1: and to be in a position to change the destinies
Speaker 1: of people in nations. All of that, of course, is fine,
Speaker 1: and attractive and cannot but excite a young gentleman's imagination. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: one must also face a very real truth, one quite
Speaker 1: contrary to that noble view, and that is, at all, war,
Speaker 1: apart from that of legitimate self defense of one home,
Speaker 1: one's home and nation, is in fact nothing but the
Speaker 1: act of a barbarian, which is only distinguished from that
Speaker 1: of savages and wild beasts by more satisfactory lies. Regarding
Speaker 1: its alleged necessity, His father continues that he should never
Speaker 1: forget quote one must only go to war and fight
Speaker 1: for his own country and for no others. Anyone who
Speaker 1: acts otherwise is just a mercenary acting on contrived motives,
Speaker 1: or else is simply bloody minded. Which is like the
Speaker 1: most reasonable thing anyone's ever going to say to this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, and bro, you of all the like
Speaker 1: countries to join, You're gonna join Russia to fight in
Speaker 1: the Balkans. It just seems like bray do to soldiers
Speaker 1: in Russia there, they're not even people. They just end
Speaker 1: up going, you know what they do in the Balkans,
Speaker 1: like just like it's nothing but like just to throw
Speaker 1: people at the other people. They literally are ammo people.
Speaker 1: I like that, and I find interesting that because Louis
Speaker 1: Napoleon is like he starts as being like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I have been a famous general in the command of
Speaker 1: the most famous military leader in history. I know. It's addictive.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to feel that kind of power and to
Speaker 1: feel like you're the center of the world's attention. But
Speaker 1: it's also evil. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: anyone who says that what we were doing, anyone who
Speaker 1: says that what anyone's doing in that is anything but
Speaker 1: like butchery is is a liar. Um. That's it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool that he not only recognizes that but finds
Speaker 1: it so important to try to get this across to
Speaker 1: his son. Yeah. Yeah, and he doesn't, you know, in
Speaker 1: sort of a secure circuitest way where he's just like, no,
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to fight for some other country.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you have to do barbarism,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it for for France. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, um,
Speaker 1: And Louis Napoleon he listens for now. He does not
Speaker 1: join the Russian army, but he's gonna be too much
Speaker 1: of a Bonaparte to stay away from the action in
Speaker 1: the pages of history for very long. So while he's
Speaker 1: muttering about his uncle's successor on the French throne, decides
Speaker 1: to set up a military adventure of his own. And
Speaker 1: this is I think Charles the tenth is the French
Speaker 1: king at this point he invades Algeria on the advice
Speaker 1: of his prime minister. Now look at a map of
Speaker 1: Algeria in relation to France. This there's no reason for France.
Speaker 1: France is not threatened by Algeria. Right, This is not
Speaker 1: a This is not like a France and Germany going
Speaker 1: to war because they're afraid one is the kind of
Speaker 1: like this is pure colonial adventurism, right, Um. It is
Speaker 1: Algeria at this point is an Ottoman province and the
Speaker 1: Ottomans leave it be like it's part of the Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 1: They don't govern it in a meaningful way. There's like
Speaker 1: a city there that they control in some trade routes,
Speaker 1: but mostly it's just people living in Algeria who are like,
Speaker 1: we're part of a country. What do you mean? Like, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: why why are you trying to uh set up all
Speaker 1: these d m vs everywhere? So the French people, um
Speaker 1: are yeah, this is a complicated thing in France, right,
Speaker 1: because there's still a lot of desire to be an
Speaker 1: imperial power like all these other countries they see around them.
Speaker 1: But also this seems like an expensive in dangerous gamble um.
Speaker 1: And they're also the French people are kind of pissed
Speaker 1: at Charles the Tenth because he is kind of a revanchist. Right,
Speaker 1: he's on the side of the divine right of kings, folks.
Speaker 1: One of the first things he does is he reduces
Speaker 1: the size of the eligible French elector at the number
Speaker 1: of French people who get to vote for parliament from
Speaker 1: five million men to just twenty five thousand, So he
Speaker 1: effectively turns it into only the very wealthiest people have
Speaker 1: any kind of a vote. And he's hoping the part
Speaker 1: of why he invades Algeria is he's hoping it's going
Speaker 1: to distract from this. But the ward does not does
Speaker 1: not go well. It turns into I mean, we all
Speaker 1: know this, right, it's like an Afghanistan kind of situation. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the kind of thing that like U
Speaker 1: s citizens and Russian citizens now are very familiar with. Right.
Speaker 1: He invades the country and realizes this is going to
Speaker 1: be a continuing problem. Um, they take age. They literally
Speaker 1: stay there till the sixties. There they are, they are,
Speaker 1: they are more than a hundred years and they never
Speaker 1: have a great handle on the country. No, it never
Speaker 1: goes well. But they're just like, I don't know, dude,
Speaker 1: one of them kings fucking you know, did it like
Speaker 1: in order to win on election or something to show
Speaker 1: you how bad the ship goes For Charles the tenth,
Speaker 1: he declares victory. I think when his troops take out
Speaker 1: years on July five, and on August the second he
Speaker 1: abdicates and flees the country ahead of an angry mop
Speaker 1: So not a great time if you're if you if
Speaker 1: you're like watching videos ever of like people rioting in
Speaker 1: Paris and like beating the ship out of cops and
Speaker 1: being like, how did France get so good at rioting?
Speaker 1: They've been doing they have they have been doing it.
Speaker 1: They have kicked a lot of governments out of the country.
Speaker 1: That is their thing. Like they got like just they
Speaker 1: have years and years of barricade building experience, centuries of
Speaker 1: institutional knowledge of how to funk up troops in the
Speaker 1: city rules. Although I think it was Louis uh Napoleon
Speaker 1: and the Napoleon the third who kind of sucked it up.
Speaker 1: He does, he does is part of the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So things being what they were, France gets a new king.
Speaker 1: This one is a member of the Orleans family or
Speaker 1: Leon or Leon, which means they are relatively related to
Speaker 1: King Leopold, Leopold the second and both. Look, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of fact, a lot of names. I gotta keep
Speaker 1: track of, right to remember. I was like Belgian Belgium,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, African Congo and ship. Yeah, Leopolds.
Speaker 1: He was named Louis or he is he is, He's
Speaker 1: King Louis Philippe. The king who takes over France is
Speaker 1: Louis Philippe related to King Leopold. So some more original
Speaker 1: names people. He does not end the occupation of Algeria.
Speaker 1: The well to do Assles, who had urged the invasion,
Speaker 1: insisted that the only thing France could not do was retreat.
Speaker 1: Everyone else kind of assumed that eventually ship would get
Speaker 1: worked out. But a hundred years later, France is still
Speaker 1: fighting in Algeria, which goes to show you how why
Speaker 1: is that logic? Usually is the occupation would cost hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people their lives and nearly destroy France
Speaker 1: as a political entity. They basically have a revolution over
Speaker 1: this at one point um after, Like Louis, Napoleon obviously
Speaker 1: does not know any of that's going to happen. It's
Speaker 1: well in the future, and he is focused on Northern Italy.
Speaker 1: So northern Italy when Napoleon Bonaparte is running around gets
Speaker 1: liberated from Austrian domination, but it gets returned to Austrian
Speaker 1: domination by the Allies after Bonaparte loses, and a lot
Speaker 1: of Italians are not happy with this. They there's a
Speaker 1: dream of making Italy be its own kind of independent
Speaker 1: political entity, which it had not been for quite a
Speaker 1: long time. Um So, some of these guys form an
Speaker 1: insurgent army in northern Italy called the Carbonari and Louis
Speaker 1: Napoleon and his older brother Napoleon Louis Uh both moved
Speaker 1: to Rome. God, I hate the names. I'm sorry so much.
Speaker 1: They probably got confused themselves, like which what am I
Speaker 1: am I? Or Tamara Leuis Napoleon is our guy his
Speaker 1: older brothers Napoleon Lewis. They both moved to Rome and
Speaker 1: become active in the Carbonari cause their cell gets found
Speaker 1: out and busted. They're not great at being stealthy, right
Speaker 1: they are. They are the heirs to Napoleon Bonaparte. It's
Speaker 1: hard for them to just kind of move around and
Speaker 1: not attract attention. Again, everyone kind of keeps an eye
Speaker 1: on what Bonapartes are doing. Yeah, you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're wearing a full on like Napoleonic military guard right now.
Speaker 1: It's like a secret sec It's like if a Hitler
Speaker 1: moved into your neighborhood, right like, obviously a hitler today.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, they're not responsible for anything, but you would
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that, you know who your local hitlers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you keep an eye on your local hitlers.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not going to not pay attention to
Speaker 1: what the hitlers are doing in Pari rule view. Just
Speaker 1: looked to the side of my eye, make sure they're
Speaker 1: not doing anything weird. Yeah, yeah, just just keep a
Speaker 1: goddamn eye on them. Um So, anyway, the cell gets
Speaker 1: found out busted in the Napoleon's brother the Napoleon. The
Speaker 1: brothers Napoleon and their friends were forced out of Italy
Speaker 1: barely ahead of the Austrian secret police because nobody trusts
Speaker 1: the Bonapartes the entirety of his family, because a lot
Speaker 1: of his families moved to Italy at this point, including
Speaker 1: his mother and his uncle Jerome. They all left to
Speaker 1: flee as well. Because the Napoleon boys get caught trying
Speaker 1: to overthrow the Austrian government. UM. So none of them
Speaker 1: are thrilled with this because they're all old. They don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with this ship. They don't want to
Speaker 1: overthrow the the Austrian regime in Italy. Um, their lives
Speaker 1: get up ended. Uh and Louis and his brother Napoleon
Speaker 1: Louis Lewis. Napoleon and Napoleon Lewis joined larger groups of
Speaker 1: Carbonari who are like trying to execute a march on Rome.
Speaker 1: Basically when this purge had beends, a bunch of them
Speaker 1: arm up and they try to like do they're kind
Speaker 1: of before Mussolini trying to do the march on Rome
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And Louis Napoleon sends a letter back
Speaker 1: to his father saying, quote this, the enthusiasm one finds
Speaker 1: here is simply grand. The army of this army of
Speaker 1: patriots is now marching on Rome. Now Obviously, Louis Bonaparte
Speaker 1: does not approve of this. Again, He's like, don't fight
Speaker 1: anything but a defensive war and don't leave your country
Speaker 1: to fight for somewhere else. That's his opinion. Um, he
Speaker 1: condemns the measure, and he is absolutely right. This is
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. So the Carbonari it doesn't. Things do
Speaker 1: not go well for them, And after all the fucking
Speaker 1: ship is done, Louis Napoleon and his brother Napoleon Lewis
Speaker 1: wind up in a city called four lea kind of
Speaker 1: hiding out there while it has a horrific measles epidemic,
Speaker 1: probably brought on in part by all of the people
Speaker 1: moving around and you know, revolutionaries and ship. So his
Speaker 1: older brother gets sick on March eleven, eight thirty one,
Speaker 1: and is dead by March seventeen teen. He dies of
Speaker 1: measles after trying to free Italy from Austrian domination. This
Speaker 1: now makes Louis Napoleon technically the heir to Napoleon Bonaparte emperor.
Speaker 1: Now this is obviously very sad for the whole Bonaparte family. Um,
Speaker 1: Louis's first grand attempt at being a hero has got
Speaker 1: has gotten his older brother killed, but it also leads
Speaker 1: him to return to French territory for the first time
Speaker 1: in his adult life because he and his mother have
Speaker 1: to flee the ship out of Italy, and despite the
Speaker 1: fact that King Louis Philippe has banned all bonapartes from France,
Speaker 1: he allows Louis Napoleon and his mother to stay basically
Speaker 1: just kind of out of sympathy, like, well, your brother's dead,
Speaker 1: like you guys got kicked out of and like Louis
Speaker 1: Philippe is kind of sympathetic to the Italian national causes.
Speaker 1: Most French people are right because the Austrians are their
Speaker 1: big enemies. So he's like, you guys can crash it.
Speaker 1: Just keep quiet, don't tell anybody that you're here, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to right and briefly, Louis Napoleon is like
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with gratitude for this, and so he asks for
Speaker 1: permission to join the French military and the King is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can join the French military, but we kind of
Speaker 1: have an issue with bonapartes being in the French military,
Speaker 1: so you can do it as long as you don't
Speaker 1: use your real name, and he agrees to make him
Speaker 1: account of something under a different name. But Louis Napoleon
Speaker 1: takes this as an insult, and he tells the king quote,
Speaker 1: I should prefer to be laid out with my brother
Speaker 1: in his coffin first, And he proceeds to like insult
Speaker 1: the king enough that he has to flee the country. Uh,
Speaker 1: such a bit, such a little It's just like no
Speaker 1: matter where he goes, He's like, I will flee. I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk. I'll say what. I don't give
Speaker 1: a ship BROI I got so many castles to crash in.
Speaker 1: So he winds up in fucking London. Um. And for
Speaker 1: the next few years Louis bounces around London and Switzerland.
Speaker 1: He publishes a couple of books, one on the use
Speaker 1: of artillery and another on the history of his father's
Speaker 1: rule in France and his uncle's rule in Holland, or
Speaker 1: his father's ruland Holland and his uncle's ruland France. Um.
Speaker 1: He sends his dad, Louis Bonaparte, copies of this book
Speaker 1: about like Louis and Napoleon Bonaparte, and his dad is
Speaker 1: furious about this writing quote at the political policies of
Speaker 1: the head of your family of a man such as
Speaker 1: the Emperor be superficially judged by a mere young man
Speaker 1: of twenty four. Who are you to fucking write about
Speaker 1: what I did? Fuck you kid, you don't know ship
Speaker 1: you're too young. Uh yeah, I love it. It's basically
Speaker 1: very funny. It is. It's very funny. Um So Louis
Speaker 1: is heartbroken, but the Swiss Army promotes him to captain
Speaker 1: over his books about artillery. So maybe his dad was
Speaker 1: being a dick here, or maybe the Swiss Army doesn't
Speaker 1: know anything about artillery. You know who does know a
Speaker 1: lot about artillery? Oh? Is it the Blake Superrier. It's
Speaker 1: about to it's fucking about to, Matt. Hell yeah, let's
Speaker 1: blow it up. We're back, and we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett, which was a handheld nuclear rocket that a
Speaker 1: guy could just shoot at a thing and it'll kill you.
Speaker 1: Right you shoot you shoot a David Crockett. You're probably
Speaker 1: not making it. I think the plan was for them
Speaker 1: to rear up in a motorcycle, fire it, and then
Speaker 1: fucking book it back as fast as possible. I had
Speaker 1: to be a really fast motorcycle. What a funny thing
Speaker 1: like an like when people are just like they're just
Speaker 1: spitballing how nuclear war is gonna work? What do we
Speaker 1: do have guys and motorcycles and nuke in folks like,
Speaker 1: let's give it a shot, but a hat on top
Speaker 1: of it. It is so goddamn funny. Anyway, we should
Speaker 1: do that too. I don't know what's the smallest to
Speaker 1: the Great Lake, Sophie. You're the expert Erie. That's my aerie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's how Well, that's how we'll drop Lake Erie
Speaker 1: on the Great because you're near you've lived in Michigan.
Speaker 1: I've never lived there because I have family from Michigan. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the same, Yeah, exactly, And it's and it's not
Speaker 1: like Erie. It's like anyway, Ontario, there's an Ontario lake.
Speaker 1: Lake Ontario is the smallest. There's too many seven square miles.
Speaker 1: Do you know that off the top of your head
Speaker 1: or did you just do a quick You'll never fucking no, Matt,
Speaker 1: because that was incredible. I'm gonna assume you know off
Speaker 1: the top of your head. Yeah, I'm that good. Isn't
Speaker 1: that right? Snoop from the wire? There we go, she says.
Speaker 1: She might have said Europe. Anyways, back to the war
Speaker 1: and yeah anyway, um, yeah, back to the war in Europe.
Speaker 1: So things are you know rough for Lewis Napoleon. His
Speaker 1: dad has has has just rejected him, um you know.
Speaker 1: And in fact, his dad when his dad writes back
Speaker 1: that he doesn't like his kid's book, Louis Napoleon stops
Speaker 1: responding or to his father's letters for six months. Um.
Speaker 1: He finally does reply to one in eighteen thirty five
Speaker 1: that says, Papa, I receive your harsh words so very
Speaker 1: often that I should be quite used to them by now. Regardless,
Speaker 1: every new reproach by you does indeed wound me, and
Speaker 1: as painfully as on the very first occasion. Again, maybe
Speaker 1: his dad's a dick for not praising the book or whatever.
Speaker 1: He probably should have encouraged that. But most of what
Speaker 1: his dad saying is like, don't just join the army
Speaker 1: to go fucking fight in a war. It's bad. Like
Speaker 1: that's like, don't, don't don't do just do don't just
Speaker 1: like funk around with other people's lives and guns because
Speaker 1: it looks cool. It's it's like Dad like could tell
Speaker 1: that his son was like the biggest poser. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a problem with this kid. I should
Speaker 1: is a fucking poser, but like just all of our
Speaker 1: worst instincts, he thinks are cool and we've got he's
Speaker 1: got the Bonaparte blood, and boy were we can be problems.
Speaker 1: I know it. I can admit that now. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we have some issues and we really don't want this
Speaker 1: guy being encouraged. Let's just say that much so. In
Speaker 1: the summer of that year, Louis Napoleon meets a man
Speaker 1: who would set his life on a purposeful track. And
Speaker 1: this guy's name is Jean Gilbert Victor Fialen, better known
Speaker 1: as Gilbert Persigny. Can I just say brave new name?
Speaker 1: Gilbert Persigny. Anyway, He's the son of a tax collector
Speaker 1: and a former in CEO in the French Army who
Speaker 1: had been forced out of the army because he was
Speaker 1: a Republican right uh. He'd taken to work as a journalist,
Speaker 1: where he had become kind of a propagandist for the
Speaker 1: Bonapartist cause. He befriends Louis largely because he's really good
Speaker 1: at at kissing Louis's ass and shut up when his
Speaker 1: social betters start talking. He basically only speaks up to
Speaker 1: tell Louis how cool the Bonapartes are and how they
Speaker 1: definitely should become the emperors of France again. I love it.
Speaker 1: He's like the turtle from Entourage of like the Bonus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he but he also he kind of convinces Louis,
Speaker 1: Louis Napoleon that like the King of France is misruling
Speaker 1: the country and the French people are hungry for a
Speaker 1: lunapart to take power again. And he's not wrong and
Speaker 1: he is not gonna be wrong. So we will be
Speaker 1: talking about everything that happens after that in part do
Speaker 1: that's the French, right, That's how that's French assholes. What
Speaker 1: a bunch of assholes. The word two means you. It's like,
Speaker 1: come on, it's nonsense, nonsense language. It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Isn't that right, Bunk, That's what French sounds like. Uh,
Speaker 1: you love to see somebody fucked up when they gave
Speaker 1: you that power, Matt, They did, and they fuck up. No,
Speaker 1: that's actually what Kanye was talking about when he said
Speaker 1: no one man should have all that power. Yes, he
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