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Speaker 1: This is from Noon to chuse the Welcome in to

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Speaker 1: the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jacieves, Tom Wasastle in Stacy Ross.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get you guys a preview of the seahawks

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Speaker 1: upcoming game against the San Francisco forty nine ers. But

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Speaker 1: before we do that, we're gonna have to take a

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Speaker 1: look back, you guys. But don't worry. There's still some highlights.

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Speaker 1: There's still some fun moments, in fact, one of them

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Speaker 1: right now. We're gonna go ahead and head down cut

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Speaker 1: number one, Curtis. I don't know if you guys remember

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Speaker 1: this maybe the best play of the night, this one

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Speaker 1: from DK Metcalf, first and goal. Russell takes a shotgun

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Speaker 1: snap Carson, Oh no, it's picked off going the other way.

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Speaker 1: If Buddha Baker down the nearest sidelines, nobody's gonna catch

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Speaker 1: him unless Metcalf can. He is sprinting, he is running.

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Speaker 1: He dies and he catches him. DK Metcalf catches Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker on a little dump pass into the right flat

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Speaker 1: Ruffle never saw him, and he steals the ball away.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a good day, Dave, where even in

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Speaker 1: an interception there's a highlight from your receiver. This is

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Speaker 1: a game that got away from Seattle, but there were

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Speaker 1: moments I think for Seahawks fans to enjoy, to be

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Speaker 1: other day and was asking me, Hey, what's up with

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Speaker 1: this DK Metcalf Guys he worthy of all the hype.

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Speaker 1: And I must have sent him a thousand words in

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Speaker 1: a text about how this guy last year was the

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Speaker 1: best rookie I've ever been around. And that's including like

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Speaker 1: lof Tupou, Marcus Truffont, Tyler Lockett. He just his humility

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Speaker 1: and that more than made up for him not securing

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Speaker 1: the ball across the goal line against Dallas, and that's

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Speaker 1: that was inspiring. Here's the other thing too, they get four,

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Speaker 1: on the other end of the drive that the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: took all the way down the field. He had a

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Speaker 1: and then Dwayne Brown pulls around and leads Carlos Hide

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Speaker 1: up the sideline for thirty four yards. But that whole

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Speaker 1: two unselfish things. This guy's an amazing receiver, and he

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Speaker 1: makes an incredible defensive play, and I don't think you

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Speaker 1: can put more effort into what he did there, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, he ends up having a block that

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Speaker 1: springs helps spring a thirty four yard touchdown run Jake.

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Speaker 1: It's a game that got away from Seattle, But what

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Speaker 1: do you take from it offensively? What do you take

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Speaker 1: from it offensively is the idea that this offense is

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Speaker 1: still a major problem for any defense in the league.

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Speaker 1: Arizona came into that game giving up They were second

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Speaker 1: up nineteen points per game. They give up thirty four

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Speaker 1: to the Seattle Seahawks offense. So it just is another

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Speaker 1: reminder that this offense is a problem for any defense

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Speaker 1: that you have to As any NFL team or any

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Speaker 1: you take away those three uncharacteristic mistakes from Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: and this is a tremendous night offensively. So that's really

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Speaker 1: the takeaway that I have about this group, that this

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Speaker 1: group is still potent. It still can get after anybody.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the forty nine ers this week, they're

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Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if the Arizona Cardinals were exactly

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Speaker 1: like a huge variance and what they're in what they

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Speaker 1: may be capable of. So, Dave, I feel like evaluating

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Speaker 1: And that wasn't the only news for Seattle this week.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks also getting active before November third's trade deadline, acquiring

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Speaker 1: twenty one, Dave, when you look at Carlos Dunlap, what

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Speaker 1: wasn't a strength of Carlos Dunlap necessarily, but it sounds

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Speaker 1: And then for Carlos Dunlop, Yeah, that defense is moving

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that Carlos Dunlap did the right thing,

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Speaker 1: an amazing stat that you just threw out there, Jake.

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Speaker 1: Really that was the last trade. The last trade was

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer for Yes. Unbelievable. Yeah, And we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: newest Seahawk. Bengals reporter Ben Baby joins us next on

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Speaker 1: the huddle. This is the Huddle every Thursday from noon

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Speaker 1: to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back into

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Speaker 1: the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Tom Wastle, Jay Keats, and

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Speaker 1: Stacy Ross, getting you guys ready for the seahawks upcoming

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Speaker 1: game against the forty nine Ers. We've got plenty to

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Speaker 1: preview with San Francisco, but before we do that, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna spend a while looking at Seattle's newest acquisition. Your

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Speaker 1: newest Seahawk is defensive end Carlos Dunlap. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: to help us know a bit more about Carlos on

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Speaker 1: and off the field is ESPN reporter Ben Baby. Ben,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well? How are y'all doing good? Good? So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna get started with it. It's a,

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Speaker 1: I guess, a vague question, but one that we're all

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Speaker 1: kind of wondering, which is what went wrong for Dunlap

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Well, I think we could spend probably a

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Speaker 1: whole segment on that alonely, but you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you could just say, you look at what happened over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I think it's just a

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Speaker 1: it's a case of you know, you had a guy

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Speaker 1: who was really big under a previous regime, a new

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Speaker 1: staff comes in, they've got a different idea for how

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Speaker 1: things should look, and it just never really sat well.

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Speaker 1: And I think that from the beginning, you could always say, honestly,

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Speaker 1: since that Seattle game against the Bengals in in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, at that debut game, when you saw what

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Speaker 1: the scheme was more or less going to look like,

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Speaker 1: you you've got a sense of, okay, this might be

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Speaker 1: an issue moving forward in the way that you know,

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Speaker 1: Louie Aluma, the defensive coordinator, saw his defense as a

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Speaker 1: brief four and Dunlap was not necessarily a three four guy.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really the heart of the matter. And

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Speaker 1: then from there things just kind of spiral, you know,

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Speaker 1: you have I think Carlos more or less, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think probably wasn't enthused about what was going on,

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Speaker 1: and I you could tell the numbers dropped off toward

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Speaker 1: the end of last year. He picked things back up again,

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Speaker 1: but this season, you know, did not really do much

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Speaker 1: of anything. For the most part, was benched. And then eventually,

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Speaker 1: you know, got to the point where it was best

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Speaker 1: for both sides to part ways. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think he'll probably end up doing pretty well, to be

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Speaker 1: quite honest, out in Seattle. I just think that he

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Speaker 1: probably needed a new start after, you know, working with

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Speaker 1: the staff for a couple of seasons. Yeah, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, Ben, Guys that come here from other teams,

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Speaker 1: they're like blown away. It really is a really good

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Speaker 1: sort of player friendly atmosphere. Tell us, you know, they

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Speaker 1: had a guy here, Jamal Adams, that they traded for

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Speaker 1: that also made kind of a stink, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't you know. And he's a great guy and

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Speaker 1: a great team and everything, but he did just enough

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Speaker 1: to get himself out of town, you know, get traded.

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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming it's the same thing with Carlos because

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Speaker 1: it sounds like from everybody's account that he's a good dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he was. He was well lights around the community.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, in the locker room. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there were some very various opinions about about

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Speaker 1: him over the years, but you know, by and large,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, especially you know, he is. His

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Speaker 1: teammates and guys in the position groups had a lot

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Speaker 1: of things to say, Guys who have all spoken publicly

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days, I haven't good thing to

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Speaker 1: say about Carlos, and you know it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I know that the Cyhawks and even needs some consistent

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Speaker 1: edge rush and I think, you know, Carlos's best used

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Speaker 1: when he put his hand in the dirt, I think,

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Speaker 1: and anyone can kind of can tell you that. And

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Speaker 1: when he's doing that, you know he can be effective.

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Speaker 1: You know, Carlos has never been, you know, a really

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Speaker 1: high didget, fat guy, only broken had a more sacks

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Speaker 1: during once in his career so far. You know, last

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Speaker 1: year came close with a late push. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's always had the natural tools and the ability.

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Speaker 1: I think it's always just about his motor. And I

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Speaker 1: think for Pete Carroll that's gonna be the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: is can may tap it to Carlos's excuse me motor

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Speaker 1: And I think you know, with him, you know, with

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Speaker 1: every hit top of the season, I would expect him

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Speaker 1: to be very motivated to go out and do well.

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Speaker 1: So that shouldn't be an issue this year. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if it ends up being a problem, luckily, you know

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Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, the cap hit um, you know they'll

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Speaker 1: be able to you know, save blackpoint of eleven million

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Speaker 1: dollars if they tided to cut him before next season.

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Speaker 1: So really this is a low risk play for them,

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Speaker 1: and I think this really works out well. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: for both sides. He hasn't had at ten sacks, but

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Speaker 1: our leading sacker last year was four, So if we

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Speaker 1: can get anything above that, we will be surely happy

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Speaker 1: here in Seattle. But Ben, one of the big questions,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of addressed a little bit, is here

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Speaker 1: in Seattle outside of the you know, personal issues that

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Speaker 1: he had with the organization, is can this guy still play?

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Speaker 1: Can this guy still contribute at a high level physically?

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Speaker 1: As he dropped off it wasn't noticeable. Or is this

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Speaker 1: a guy who just was eventually left out of a

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Speaker 1: organization that was ready to move on or changing to

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Speaker 1: a new scheme. Yeah, I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: really just a motor issue. And let's not sleep on

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Speaker 1: my boy out in Robinson. I actually knew and I

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Speaker 1: know him since he was in high school. Um, And

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Speaker 1: I think actually my first job, I saw Jamal Adams

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Speaker 1: and he was a Hebrew. And so both of those

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Speaker 1: guys Scott's I've seen over the years. But I honestly

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Speaker 1: think on a side note, I think Alton, you know,

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Speaker 1: has a lot of tools. I was always oppressed with him,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's a he's a really good sleeper

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Speaker 1: candidate to do well over there. But aside from that

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Speaker 1: that being said, um, you know, Carlos, I do think

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Speaker 1: it's it was simply just a motor thing. I think

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Speaker 1: it was more or less he was he was kind

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Speaker 1: of checked out. You know in the story that we

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Speaker 1: ran today on ESPN that the one of the position

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Speaker 1: the team meeting rooms was repositioned just so they could

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Speaker 1: make sure that that Carlos was staying engaged during meetings.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's spoke Volumes is kind of work

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Speaker 1: where the disconnect was on both sides, and I think

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Speaker 1: there's definitely fault on both sides of this this situation.

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Speaker 1: I think that yes, Carlos probably should have been used

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Speaker 1: better in the scheme, and yes, carlos effort probably should

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Speaker 1: have been better. Um And that's one thing under this

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Speaker 1: new staff, I think that that they don't really have

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Speaker 1: a tolerance for until That's kind of why you saw

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Speaker 1: what happened over the of course the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think you know, you saw the

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Speaker 1: press conference in heatro Jack Taylor yesterday, you saw the

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Speaker 1: reaction from Carboys. I think everyone is just relieved that

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Speaker 1: this situation's over from on both sides and now they

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Speaker 1: can move on Carlos to you know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be pretty productive in Seattle for

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Speaker 1: the rest of this year. I think he's got some

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Speaker 1: juice left. You know, he's pretty well rested. You haven't

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Speaker 1: really played a ton of snaps this year, so that

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Speaker 1: should go well for the Seahawks of the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season. If he had a good attitude but he

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Speaker 1: were playing poorly, would he still have been benched or

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Speaker 1: the reverse. I guess what I'm getting at is what

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Speaker 1: really led to the benching. Was it because he was

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Speaker 1: playing poorly or not contributing, or was it because of

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Speaker 1: his attitude. I think that's probably a mix of both.

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Speaker 1: But I think that the performance was probably just because

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Speaker 1: he just wasn't really enthused about what was going on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even in his exiting of you yesterday with

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Speaker 1: the team website, of all people, you know, he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, this was a four three scheme, I'm or

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Speaker 1: a three four scheme I'm not really a three four guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just got a sense of, you know,

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Speaker 1: he just wasn't really um, you know, he wasn't really

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Speaker 1: thrilled about what was going on. And and I didn't

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Speaker 1: really ever think, to be honest with you A, we

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Speaker 1: never really convinced he was just angling for a trade.

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Speaker 1: I think he was just upset with what had gone

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Speaker 1: on because you know, the franchise, you know, the front

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Speaker 1: office really thought highly of him all the way through.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that Mike Brown put out a

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Speaker 1: statement yesterday I was pretty rare because Mike Brown does

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Speaker 1: not do that very often. I mean, he hasn't. It

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Speaker 1: isn't my second year, couple of the teams, he hasn't.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't had the press conference once since it started

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Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season. Um, so for him to come

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Speaker 1: out and say something about Carlos is pretty big. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just I think that the the effort,

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00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, probably predicated you know, the play and the

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Speaker 1: performance and the fact that he only has one sack,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think that you know, that

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Speaker 1: should change now that he is in a new place

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Speaker 1: and add a new team. What's he like as a

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Speaker 1: locker room presence and also off the field. I mean,

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Speaker 1: tell us a bit more about Carlos Dunlap, the person

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Speaker 1: and the teammate. Yeah, you know, you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys, you know, had had good things to say.

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Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, you know, spoke Rod Highway of him, the

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Speaker 1: defensive en Joe Burrow said that, you know, Carlos helped

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Speaker 1: him out. Um, you know, and adjusting. I think Carlos

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00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: is big into it, you know, getting your body right. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think he's been suggesting kyro cract as the guys

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati for a little bit and so I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the rookies appreciate that when they make that adjustment. And

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00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: then you know he's obviously you know, anyone who follows

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Speaker 1: him on Instagram knows he's big into cooking, has a

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Speaker 1: restaurant out in Miami UM, and does a lot of

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Speaker 1: community initiatives, and you know, there are a lot there

611
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: were games last year were the Bengals got absolutely pummeled UM,

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Speaker 1: and nobody really wanted to talk, and Carlos Dunlap was

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Speaker 1: more than happy to do that. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: it is kind of a strange ending to Carlos' tenure here.

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Speaker 1: I think that he was really well miked by the

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Speaker 1: fan base, and the fan base does kind of understand

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Speaker 1: kind of what's going on to and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just one of these things. For whatever.

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Speaker 1: Even in Cincinnati, you have these things where veterans who

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Speaker 1: played for a while, I have some very I'm rimonius departures. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know in the elk of you know, Carson Palmer

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Speaker 1: jumping out to mind a few years ago. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just one of those situations. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: the franchises all time sack later and I think guys

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00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: knew what they were getting in, you know, when when

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Speaker 1: Carl's turned it on. You know, I think he's you know,

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Speaker 1: right up there and has you know, he can definitely

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Speaker 1: get after the pass rusher or get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see, you know, how this

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Speaker 1: shakes out with him in Seattle. He is Ben Baby

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Speaker 1: of ESPN. You can follow him at Ben Underscore Baby.

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Speaker 1: Also read his stuff at ESPN dot com. He's got

633
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: a really cool article, by the way, for any LSU

634
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: or Bengals fans out there about Joe Burrow getting help

635
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Speaker 1: from the Manning family. Uh, it's it's a great one.

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Speaker 1: I do recommend it. So Ben, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We really appreciate the insight. Yeah. Thanks

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Speaker 1: off with the kind words and for the time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right. Wow, I wish I could get

640
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Speaker 1: that kind of dedication from Stacy Ross. That's that's fantastic.

641
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Speaker 1: It gonna be like Dan Wyman joining us now on

642
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the huddle. Great guy and a former quarterback for your

643
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: former quarterback. Then I'll just forget it all right. Listen up, guys,

644
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: listen up. This offensive line has been much improved this season,

645
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: but they might still have their hands full against the

646
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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers defense. Nick Bosa or No will ask

647
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Speaker 1: former lineman and current Seahawks pre and postgame show host

648
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Speaker 1: Ray Roberts about that matchup next on The Huddle. This

649
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Speaker 1: is the Huddle every Thursday from noon to two on

650
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Speaker 1: seven ten ESPN Seattle. All Right, we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: shortly by Ray Roberts, who's host on the Seahawks pre

652
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Speaker 1: and postgame show, former offensive lineman himself. Before we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Ray, we're going to talk a bit about the

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Speaker 1: offensive line through what's now seven weeks. Six weeks, six

655
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: games in the NFL. So far, they've been much improved.

656
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: I think even though they've taken a step forward, you know,

657
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: as far as the eye test and past protection, it

658
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: doesn't always look like that as far as stats go.

659
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: We asked Ray about it last week. He said, yeah,

660
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: I see that too. I see them taking a step

661
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: forward there. You know, Dave, we'll just start with some

662
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: of the depth already. They don't have b J. Finney anymore,

663
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: not that he was really contributing a lot to depth there,

664
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: but they did lean on some backups at guards, specifically

665
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: with Jordan Simmons helping them out. Mikey Potty didn't practice

666
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: again yesterday, could once again be out this week. What

667
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: have you seen from Simmons and just from the depth

668
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: on the offensive line? Overall, it's been it's been solid,

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Speaker 1: and I think the part where it was the most well,

670
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: here's my indicator. Bob Stalton is no longer complaining about

671
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: the offensive line. That's how you know. Yeah, so yeah,

672
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: and that was a pretty regular occurrence from Bob. But no,

673
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: it's it's been good. I mean, Russ has had time

674
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Speaker 1: and you see that, you know, his yards per attempt

675
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: is one of the best in the NFL, or the highest,

676
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I should say, and that just indicates that he's getting

677
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: time to throw the ball. So you know, they threw

678
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff at him and this offense, and

679
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: you had a rookie running back out there trying to

680
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: pick up blitzes and that didn't work so well. So

681
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: but no, I think, honestly, they've been really good. And

682
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give a shout out to Dwayne

683
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Brown twice for what would be forty seven yards. I

684
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: think one was thirteen yards, the other one was thirty

685
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: four where he pulled around the outside And I mentioned

686
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: that play earlier where DK blocks down and then Dwayne

687
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Brown pulls around, and you know, he is thirty five

688
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: years old, and he's really done a good job, really

689
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: a good job of you know, keeping Russell clean. So yeah,

690
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: just the offensive line in general has been a really

691
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise. And the other thing too, you know, Jamarco

692
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Jones I think is a really good football player. He's available.

693
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Speaker 1: They kind of you know, like I said earlier, they've

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Speaker 1: substituted them in in the Miami game, which I thought

695
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: worked really well. So it was nice to see Jake,

696
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: you do a lot of tape study here. I know

697
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: this forty nine Ers defensive line doesn't have Nick Bosa anymore.

698
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: They're short a couple other starters in the front seven.

699
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: But as far as what you've seen from the Seahawks

700
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Speaker 1: offensive line, how do you think that matchup will stack up? Well,

701
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: it's certainly going to be a challenge because even though

702
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: they lose some guys, or the forty nine ers have

703
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: lost some guys to injuries, they still have a good

704
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: group rushed in the passer I mean as particularly in

705
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Speaker 1: the interior. You still have Eric Armstead who can play

706
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Speaker 1: inside outside. You know, they do twists and stunts to

707
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Speaker 1: get him inside against guards sometimes. And then Javon Kinlaw,

708
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: their first round pick of this year, I thought played

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Speaker 1: really well. So you look at some of those things

710
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Speaker 1: and I think that it's gonna be a test to

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Speaker 1: Ethan Postic, Damien Lewis, and Jordan Simmons. But to go

712
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Speaker 1: on in Jordan Simmons and the job that he's done

713
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Speaker 1: two straight starts for Mikey Potty. This is from Brady

714
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Speaker 1: Henderson of ESPN. It's throughout a stat here on Twitter

715
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: that's now he is the seventh best pass block win

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Speaker 1: rate of any NFL offensive lineman at nine six point three,

717
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Speaker 1: which is third best among guards. So when you talk

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00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: about Jordan Simmons's effort, he's playing really good football right now, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Yeah, you pointed out

720
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Speaker 1: the you know, the rookie running back in DJ Dallas

721
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: started struggling to block, particularly late in the game after

722
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Speaker 1: Homer went out. Did it seem like maybe an overtime

723
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Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter that Arizona suddenly just got

724
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: creative defensively and kind of overwhelmed the Sehawk offensive line,

725
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Speaker 1: which is maybe part of what led to Russell throw

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00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: in that last pick. Yeah. Absolutely, They just took a

727
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: ton of chances there, and I thought it was you know,

728
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: look that that could have not worked for Advance Joseph,

729
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: their decordinator. It could have not worked because Russ is

730
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: a guy that can burn you in those situations. And

731
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: they gambled and won on that one, and you know,

732
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Speaker 1: and it looked like an easy pickup for DJ Dallas.

733
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Speaker 1: But when you're a rookie and everything's moving so fast

734
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, ah, we didn't go over this in practice.

735
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: We didn't see this on film and all of a sudden,

736
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Speaker 1: it's new. It's difficult, So I would you know, I

737
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: know a lot of people faulted in DJ Dallas and

738
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, took him down a notch in their mind

739
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: as far as the kind of player that he is.

740
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Speaker 1: But that's tough on a rookie. But yeah, they took

741
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: a ton of chances at the end, you know, And

742
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I figure, if you're vance Joseph, you go, look, this

743
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: guy's won thirty four fourth quarter and overtime, come back,

744
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: come from behind wins. Russell Wilson has and you know

745
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: he's the best in these situations. You've seen the Minnesota

746
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: film where he took him ninety five yards. I don't

747
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: want to sit back and just let this guy, you know,

748
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: sit back there and throw the ball around. So I

749
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: feel like it was he gambled and won on that one,

750
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: and you know, Russell be better for it. The offense

751
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: will be better for it because they've you know, now

752
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: they've seen that kind of that kind of gambling defense

753
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and how to pick it up in the future. But

754
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: he definitely made the right call there, and you know,

755
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: he could have gotten burned there. You know, that could

756
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: have been instead of an interception that could have been

757
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And with Russell Wilson and I'll take Russ

758
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: in that situation every time. But yeah, they just got

759
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: more and more creative and more and more, you know,

760
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: as far as the taking risk, they were at the

761
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: high end of risk taking. Their defensively, well, you look

762
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: at those situations as well, Dave. Sometimes, as you as

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00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, as a defensive coordinates and as a defense

764
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: sometimes when your backs against the wall, you gotta throw

765
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: something out there, right like, you have to just kind

766
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: of see what sticks because nothing's working, and if it works,

767
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: then great. And very rarely do you see Russell Wilson

768
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: and this offense not have an answer. And that's what

769
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: it looked like at the end of that game. And

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: you gotta you know that those guys are gonna take

771
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: that personally, that they are going to look at that

772
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: situation say, man, we did not perform well in this situation.

773
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: That can never happen again. And so I think the

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00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: defenses are going to try the forty nine ers might

775
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: try to implement some of those same type of schemes

776
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: or be a little bit more aggressive from time to time,

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00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully the Seahawks, the offensive coaching staff, Russell Wilson,

778
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and this group as a whole have really ironed that

779
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: out during the week so that they can be better

780
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: in those situations. Can we take a look at the

781
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, at least for San Francisco.

782
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: I expected this defense to struggle a lot more than

783
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: they are without Nick Bosa and Solomon Thomas. So far,

784
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: you've seen them kind of come out. Okay Hyder, who's

785
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: the guy filling in? And I think a right defensive end,

786
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: Carrie Hider. He's leading the team in sacks right now.

787
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been able to still bring pressure. It

788
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been the forty nine ers defensive line we saw

789
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: last year, but they've been pretty good without some of

790
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: their stars. They When you look at this group, I mean,

791
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: are they still pretty dangerous? Who do you have an

792
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: eye on here when you're you know, up in the

793
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: booth with Steve this weekend? Well, I think Fred Warner

794
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: and I know that whoever was doing the game last week,

795
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, I think called him the best linebacker in

796
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the NFL. And he's got a couple of picks, He's

797
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: got a ton of tackles, tackles for loss, so he

798
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: really stands out. And that was the guy that we

799
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: used to call him shoeless Fred Warner because he's the

800
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: one that lost his shoe and Russ picked it up

801
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: and threw it off to the sidelines. Yeah, it was

802
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: yeah at home, But um, I think Robert Salid does

803
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: a really good job with It's the same type of

804
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: standard that you get from on the offensive side as well,

805
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: and it's just the Kyle Shanahan John Lynch sort of

806
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: formula that they do things that are you know, there's

807
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: some creative stuff too, but they're pretty simple and I

808
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: think they they just teach about winning at the point

809
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: of attack and it's like basics. And so that's why

810
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of plug guys in in

811
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: their running game and then on defense as well. That

812
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: they've had a fair amount of success. So I mean

813
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: they've actually look at their their fifth in the NFL

814
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: and score or and yardage, and yet they've lost you know,

815
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: de Ford and Bosa. I mean, it's just been nothing

816
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: but injuries. And they just keep plugging those guys in

817
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and do really well. And you know, they're third against

818
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: the pass and no Richard Sherman and they've got a

819
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: had a bunch of defensive backs injured, and then of

820
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: course the pass rush it was depleted. So it's just

821
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: a well coached team. And I've always admired them in

822
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: that regard and always I love I hate that they

823
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: are in our division, and I don't like complimenting the

824
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: forty nine. Want to be able to root for them

825
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: from Afar, Yeah, but you can't. So they're doing a

826
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: really good job with what they have. And sometimes you know,

827
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Speaker 1: when your backs up against the wall and you know,

828
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: you get your guys hurt, there's kind of a rally

829
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: cry that that happens, and you know, and the coaches,

830
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: you can do a really good job as a coach,

831
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: getting a guy going, getting a player going, by saying

832
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: hey man, we believe in you, and you know, just

833
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: because we lost this guy and that guy, we want

834
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: you to step up. We're fully you know, um, we

835
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: we're behind you, We back you. We know that you

836
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: can go in there and do the job. And I

837
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: feel like that you get a lot of that from

838
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: what I understand from their coaching staff down there. You know,

839
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Speaker 1: I've been wondering about Salah a lot lately, I mean,

840
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: he's a guy that was here from twenty eleven to

841
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. You know, he was not let go, but

842
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: he got another opportunity in Jacksonville then ended up in

843
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: San Francisco. But of all the guys that we could

844
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: have or maybe that you would have wanted to hold

845
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: on to on this defensive staff over the years, that's

846
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: one that I feel like really got away. I mean,

847
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: Chris Richard's now gone. Even Norton was gone for a time.

848
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Speaker 1: Don't you feel like, man, I'd love to have that

849
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: guy back here, like it would have been nice to

850
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: have him as a defensive coordinator. Well, I mean, you know,

851
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: I know that Kenny is being questioned a lot right now,

852
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: and you know, as far as you know, what they're

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: doing defensively, it's not good right now, what the Seahawks are.

854
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: It's historically bad right now. But you know, we talked

855
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: to Pete the other day and he said, look, I'm

856
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: in these meetings too, and we've always said this, this

857
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: is Pete's defense. So it's similar to what went on

858
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: last year. It's it's like, look, we're gonna win, you know,

859
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep everything in front of us and we're

860
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna try to take the ball away and that's the

861
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: one time they didn't. They didn't win the turnover battle.

862
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know, we've talked about, is

863
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: is this sustainable? And at some point you're not going

864
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to get the fourth quarter big play out of Benson

865
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: Mayowa or you're not going to get the kJ right

866
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: interception and fumble recovery, and when that happens, you're probably

867
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna lose. And the way that they're giving up yardage

868
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: right now. But but again, you know, this is this

869
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: is how they managed it last year. They feel like

870
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: with the talent that they have that this is the

871
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: defense that they need to play, and it got them

872
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: twelve wins last year and right now it's got them

873
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: at five and one. So you know, I know the

874
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: numbers are bad and it's historically bad and everything, but

875
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, you also kind of coach to your entire team.

876
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: And right now now, I mean, over the last year

877
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: and a half or year in five games, six games there,

878
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: what are they like seventeen and seven? You know, so

879
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look that's that that's a pretty good record,

880
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how they're coaching right now. But

881
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I keep feeling do you guys feel like there's not

882
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: enough talent on this defense? Because I feel like there

883
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: is enough talent. I'd say it's middle of the road

884
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: if you put you know, guys like Bobby and kJ

885
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: Jamal premier players. Maybe some of the other guys are

886
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: more like you know, but whatever, they're about average. They

887
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: should have those kinds of numbers and they don't. Let's

888
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: continue this conversation with the Voice of the Seahawks, Steve Rabel.

889
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: I like this question, Dave. We'll ask Steve next on

890
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: the huddle to choose. Welcome back to the huddle with

891
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: Tom Wastle, Dave Wyman, Jay Keats, and Stacy Ross joining

892
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: us right now. It's the Voice of the Sea Hawks,

893
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: Steve Rabel. Raves, how are you dazy, I'm good. How

894
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: are you good? Good? Thanks, I'm going to get kind

895
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: of the tough conversation out of the way first. I

896
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: do want your insight. I'm hoping you can help me

897
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about this defense. Help me out, Raves.

898
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: I know they're getting reinforcements. I mean, what's your take

899
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: so far? Where are they at right now? With you? Well,

900
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I'm not I'm not breaking any

901
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: new excuse me, any new ground here. They've got. The

902
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: Seahawks have a wonderfully diverse, potent, explosive offense and a

903
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: defense that is still literally trying to find its way.

904
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: I think they understand in many cases what it is

905
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: that they have to do and need to do, and

906
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: what each individual player has to do. They're just not

907
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: doing it as a group. And as we often talk about,

908
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: if it was one thing, if it was one player

909
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: who was over you know, consistently over time making mistakes,

910
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: then you can remedy that. If it's kind of the

911
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: system or you're trying to do too many things, you

912
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: can you can you know, kind of relax a little

913
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: bit of that and then cut the game plan down.

914
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: But it's a combination of things. It seems like every

915
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: every series it's something else. It's somebody not holding their lay,

916
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: and it's somebody not getting the pressure upfield, it's somebody

917
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: not handing off properly in coverage. And you know, this

918
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: is a group of guys, some of them have played

919
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: together for a while and a fairly large number of

920
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: them have it and they're just getting used to each other.

921
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's kind of my take on it

922
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: right now. Is this a bad football team. Absolutely not.

923
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: We're you know, we're at the top of the division

924
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: right now and playing a team that is coming back

925
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: from a lot of injuries while we're kind of in

926
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: the throes of some injuries. So it should be a

927
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: pretty good contest that way. Rabes. It's it's interesting in

928
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: these division games because you know, there's kind of a

929
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: little back and forth, and you see sometimes other teams

930
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: have another team's number, and the Seahawks I thought had

931
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: San Francisco's number last year, and I feel like they

932
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: match up really well. What kind of a game, I

933
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: sound like, Grass, what kind of a game are you expecting?

934
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: But I mean again, look, it's I feel like, no

935
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: matter what, this can't help but be an incredibly tight game.

936
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: It's going to come down to it in the end.

937
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, well it seems that way now. Whether

938
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be a thirty eight thirty six game

939
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: or whether it's going to be an eighteen fifteen game

940
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: is you know, remains to be seen. You know, I

941
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: certainly like our chances. I think being at home, I

942
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: think after what happened last week, I think there's a

943
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: lot of the guys on the defense who were just

944
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: really kind of looking really inside it themselves and saying,

945
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: what more could I have done? You heard it right

946
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: after the game from Bobby, but each one of those

947
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: guys and coaches and Pete because this defense is Peat's defense.

948
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: You know. I see where there's a lot of clamoring

949
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: for well should you do something by Ken Norton Junior, Well,

950
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: this is Peats defense, and he recognized that. I frankly

951
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: think it's going to be. This is my own feeling

952
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: here and I know nothing, as you know, but I

953
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: think Seahawks are gonna win, and I think they're gonna

954
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: win kind of going away. I think this will be

955
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: one of the games that they have they put everything together.

956
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: And I don't say that for having any real knowledge

957
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: other than the fact that San Francisco has been kind

958
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: of up and down. They've got a lot of guys

959
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: who are hurt. Garoppolo is, you know, still coming back

960
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: off of that ankle injury, and he's probably not playing

961
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: at a one hundred percent. He's not a terribly mobile

962
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: quarterback anyway. If ever, the defense is going to get

963
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: well and put some pressure on the quarterback. I think

964
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: this is going to be it. I see a couple

965
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: of big things that you got to do on defense

966
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: if you want to stop San Francisco, and one of

967
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: them is find a way to shut down George Kittle

968
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: or at least control them a little bit. But I

969
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: like our chances a lot this week, Rabil, As you

970
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: mentioned that, it's it's also the feeling that I had

971
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: against the Arizona Cardinals for the Seahawks, that there is

972
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of, you know, schedule wise, and also

973
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: just kind of where they're at as a ball club

974
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: that a play up and down, and I think that

975
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: manifested itself in the game last week. The only difference

976
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: was is the Seahawks didn't finish the game. Weren't accustomed

977
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: to seeing them finish. And I mean, with what you

978
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: know about Pete Carroll and this organization and how long

979
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: you've been around them, I mean, could you do you

980
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: anticipate seeing this group not finish again? Russell Wilson not

981
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: finish again at the end of the game. I don't,

982
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: And I attribute now some of that, and Pete did too,

983
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: but I attribute some of that when you started looking

984
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: at what Arizona did especially at the end of that game,

985
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, in in overtime. There were times

986
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: when when they get up to the line of scrimmage

987
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: and I was trying to set the call for the play.

988
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: And you know you've heard me enough to know, Jake,

989
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: I try to set it, okay, you know, it looks

990
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: like a four man rush or four down linemen or whatever.

991
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: It looked like they had. It looked like I had

992
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: thirteen guys at the line of scrimmage at times, and

993
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: then they would pull out randomly, and it left guys

994
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: looking around like, Okay, who is it that I'm host

995
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: a block here? And it really hurt. I think DJ

996
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: Dallas a couple of times back there, and Russ I

997
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: think was feeling that a lot at the end of

998
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: the game. I don't think we're going to see that

999
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: out of San Francisco, mostly because I don't think they

1000
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: have the same kind of personnel. Now, will we see

1001
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Fred Warner blitz from his middle linebacker spot. Yeah? Is

1002
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: are some of those defensive lineman pretty darn good? Yeah,

1003
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: no question, But I you know, we could be facing

1004
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: two backup safeties and a backup corner. You know, the

1005
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: way these guys have been hurt. So I like Russell's

1006
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: ability to win football games. What is he thirty one

1007
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and eight after an in season loss. I hate to

1008
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: be the team that has to face Russell, Wilson and

1009
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: company after they get beat Raves. That play that DK

1010
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: metcalf made on the Buddha Baker pick was one of

1011
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: the best plays I've ever seen made in any sport.

1012
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was just inspiring, even beyond football. I thought, yeah, now,

1013
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: if you see something like that and you're on DK

1014
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Metcalf's what kind of effect does that have on his

1015
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: teammates in terms of, like I guess, inspiration on Deca's teammates. Yeah, yeah, well,

1016
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean it, if you're a teammate, you already have

1017
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of who that guy is because

1018
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: you see him every day. You see him in the

1019
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: locker room, you see him in the meeting room studying.

1020
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: You understand how seriously he takes the game and how

1021
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: much he wants to be. I don't want to say

1022
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: a star, because there's a difference between being a star

1023
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: and being the best, and oftentimes it goes hand in hand,

1024
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: but there is a difference, and he wants to be

1025
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: the best, and he knows the things he needs to

1026
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: work on, and he knows the things that he's good at.

1027
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: And one of the things he knows he can do

1028
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: is run, and he is relentless. And that chasing down

1029
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker was one of the most unbelievable plays I

1030
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: know I've ever seen, and I know when I called it,

1031
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: I said, it looks like he's gone unless DK Medcalf

1032
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: can chase him down, and sure enough he did. He

1033
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: was just stunning. I've played with a lot of you know,

1034
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: I played with a lot of really good receivers. I've

1035
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of them over time, and a lot

1036
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: of guys were just given up on that and said, okay,

1037
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: that's all. We'll give it to him at six points.

1038
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: You know, there was a thirteen point swing there, fourteen

1039
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: point swing, the touchdown and pat they didn't get and

1040
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: the one that we did get by going ninety seven yards.

1041
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: I think that says so much about about that team, frankly,

1042
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: but about DK in particular. He is the voice of

1043
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Steve Rabel, Steve, thanks so much for joining us. Okay, guys,

1044
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: thank you, guys. I do it every week. I mean

1045
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: to say, Raves, thanks so much, and I say Steve.

1046
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: I say it every single Thursday, constantly messing this up,

1047
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: dropping the ball. Well, his name is Steve, I know,

1048
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: but I don't call him Steve. I'm like, who's Steve?

1049
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: The second I say Steve, I'm like, who am I

1050
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: even talking to you? Who are you? Stacy Gosh? All right, guys,

1051
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: we're taking you down to San Francisco with the latest

1052
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: from the forty nine Ers head coach Kyle Shannahan. Speaking

1053
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: of media, that's next on the Huddle. This is the

1054
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: Huddle every Thursday from noon to two on seven ten

1055
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: ESPN Seattle. Welcome back to the Huddle with Dave Wyman,

1056
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: Jay Keeps, Tom Wossle, and Stacy Ross. Kyle Shannahan spoke

1057
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: with reporters earlier today had some updates on injuries players

1058
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: that we may or may not see for San Francisco

1059
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: this Sunday. So let's go ahead and get things started

1060
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: with former Seak Richard Sherman cut number three here, what's

1061
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: his status for Sunday? Not sherry to mean he's week

1062
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: to week right now. I know it's gonna be at

1063
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: least a few weeks, but I know he's not playing

1064
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: this week, so was out Richard Sherman at least for

1065
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: this Sunday. In that secondary, That secondary though, Dave, I'm

1066
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: looking at it. I know you're a fan of seeing

1067
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: Jamar Taylor out there. I don't want to say fan

1068
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: Jamar Taylor playing really well at Nickel for them, which

1069
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: upsets you. That bothers me. That secondary though still pretty solid.

1070
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: You had a couple guys as an injury up day,

1071
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: jak Whisky, Tart, Jason Verrett, Jimmy Ward where all do

1072
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: not practice Wednesday? Um? Still though, I mean overall, assuming

1073
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: these guys can play, they're mostly healthy back there except

1074
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: for Sherman. Yeah, this is the hardest injury report. I think.

1075
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: How did the Seahawks practice yesterday? First of all, they

1076
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: had one running back and then um, you know with

1077
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: with the Niners, like D four is out, Bosa is out,

1078
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: some you know, Mostard is out. I believe. I mean,

1079
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's so many guys to keep track of,

1080
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: but again, you know, they just kind of plug guys

1081
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: in and they make plays. I'll say this, and Jake,

1082
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: I'll ask you. I saw Kim Newton throw some of

1083
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: the worst passes. I've I've seen a pro football player

1084
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: throw last week and there was something with the ball

1085
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: was like tailing down or something. But he was horrible

1086
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: and so but yeah, it does bother me that Jamar Taylor,

1087
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: I can tell it got a couple of picks because

1088
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: he was a nice guy, loved him everything, but just

1089
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: it did not work out. And he was he was

1090
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: all always like just a step behind everybody, and he

1091
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: ends up getting two picks. One of them was tipped

1092
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: up in the air, but the other one was it

1093
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: was it was a good play by him, but again

1094
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: it was a horrible It was a horrible pass by

1095
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham. So um, but yeah, that again, this is

1096
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: a group that you know, they just next man up.

1097
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: They're well coached and so yeah, well we'll see what

1098
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: we get. But they're pretty banged up. And you know,

1099
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: in the beginning, it was like it looked like, oh

1100
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: my gosh, I mean, Garoppolo went down and I want

1101
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: to say Coleman went down. I mean that that one

1102
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: Jets game, it was it was ridiculous. It was ridiculous,

1103
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: and you look and that's why, you know, as I

1104
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: was telling Rabel in the last segment there. You know,

1105
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: as I looked at Arizona last week, I just really

1106
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: felt that they were a team, a good team, but

1107
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: that they were inconsistent and up and down and not

1108
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: necessarily that team that is as strong as everybody thinks

1109
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: they are. Now, don't get me wrong, they won the game,

1110
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: but if you look at it multiple times, the Seahawks

1111
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: had opportunities to hand to control the game, slammed the

1112
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: door shut and be the more superior team, right, and

1113
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: they just kept blowing opportunities. And I think that that

1114
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: is also going to be the mark for this game.

1115
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: With the forty nine ers, the Seahawks have a chance

1116
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: offensively at least to control the game. You look at

1117
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and when they played the Patriots,

1118
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Kim Newton looks like his shoulder is already gone. Like that.

1119
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he was able to keep it together for the first,

1120
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, four weeks of the season, and now his

1121
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: health is really coming back again. Because you mentioned some

1122
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: of those throws, Dave, I mean, those are the really

1123
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the only explanations for him, because mechanically he looked fine.

1124
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Just his shoulder doesn't seem like it's holding up. From

1125
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: what I can see and what I can evaluate after

1126
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: watching that game in that film. So I think that

1127
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: any team, especially the forty nine ers, they haven't seen

1128
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: an offense like the Seahawks yet, and that just is

1129
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: a compliment to what the Seahawks group is and it

1130
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: we'll see if they're able to have any as semblance

1131
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: of controlling the game, if the defense can get these

1132
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: guys off the field, or get a couple of key turnovers,

1133
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: because Jimmy Garoppolo is going to give them opportunities to

1134
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: do so. Now, there was a while there when we

1135
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: thought the forty nine ers might be done. They'd suffered

1136
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: a ton of injuries and then had a devastating, embarrassing

1137
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: loss to the Miami Dolphins, a team the Seahawks beat,

1138
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: I think just a week or two before then. Kyle

1139
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: Shanahan and cut number six though, talks about the improvement

1140
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: he's seen from his team since, you know, I think

1141
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: just playing hard, rolling together. I mean, we had two

1142
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: real bad losses in a row. One you know, I

1143
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: thought they got away from us and one we got

1144
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: embarrassed in the usually you go one way or another

1145
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: after that, and our guys came in and regroup, had

1146
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: a great week of practice and just focused on trying

1147
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: to get better and play hard as a team. And

1148
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: I thought we did that two weeks in a row

1149
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: and the results have been good because of it. Tom, You,

1150
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: like many of us, I think we're ready to say, like, hey,

1151
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are done, They're done, They're finished, Benito,

1152
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: stick a fork in them. Instead, though they've they've seen

1153
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: to bounce back back to back wins, looking real good,

1154
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: getting healthier. Tevin Coleman could be back here. I mean,

1155
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: what are you seeing from them? Yeah? Look, here's the

1156
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: confusing part. I don't even with the extra playoffs, but

1157
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't think every team in this division is going

1158
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. It still feels to me like

1159
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: San Francisco is gonna be the odd team out just

1160
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: because of the number of injuries they have. Every team

1161
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: is good, it feels like they're gonna come up short

1162
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: in the end. Problem being every team that they face,

1163
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: they are just going to give fits too, because they

1164
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: are a well coached, prepared, tough, tough team to beat.

1165
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Like they may not have enough firepower in the end

1166
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: because they just I think they're lacking elite quarterback play

1167
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: and you just have to have that. If you're gonna

1168
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get fall, if you're gonna be if

1169
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna separate yourself in any way from the rest

1170
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: of the pack, you have to have elite quarterback play.

1171
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they have it. They got eighteen running backs. Uh.

1172
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: The wide receiving situation, you know, Samuel's always he's and

1173
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: he's out, he's and he's out. So I think they'll

1174
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: come up short. But man, I don't ever want to

1175
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: face them, do you. No, It's again the coaching part

1176
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: of it is what stands out to me is just

1177
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: how they execute. And you know, a guy like Kyle

1178
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: us Check, their fullback, who doesn't have a lot of

1179
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: yards or anything, but he's just he's so key him.

1180
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: And then their offensive lines playing really well too. But

1181
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: do you guys believe in matchups, because you know, I

1182
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: thought the Sea. Do you believe in miracles, Michaels? Uh No, because,

1183
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: for example, I remember we go and playing Green Bay

1184
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: in the in the postseason last year, and the one

1185
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: team that like gave him fits was the Detroit Lions. Yeah,

1186
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: and they actually did not lead in any of those

1187
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: games until time expired. They kicked game, winning field goals

1188
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: to beat. And I want to say the you know,

1189
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: last year the Lions were like three twelve and one

1190
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: or something like that. So and and the Seahawks just look,

1191
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: they were one foot away from winning the second game

1192
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: and win in the NFC West. So they just have

1193
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: a tendency, even as well as they are coached and everything.

1194
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: And Rabel thinks they're you know, you heard him and

1195
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: he said they're gonna win going away, and I'm like, wow,

1196
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: that's a that's a bold prediction. I think it's gonna be.

1197
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks will be able to win just

1198
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: because they're they match up well against the forty nine ers,

1199
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: but in the coaching styles and everything. But you know,

1200
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be another tight game.

1201
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: They certainly haven't been. They haven't not played a tight

1202
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: game so far other than the Miami Dolphins game, and

1203
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: still that one had had you on the edge of

1204
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: your seat. But you talk about coaching, and it really

1205
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: is a tip of the cap to the forty nine

1206
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: ers in this one, because as much if we talked

1207
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: about the Sea Hawks and injuries and hey, maybe they

1208
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: get their guys back and we'll be able to see

1209
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: this group, you know, play well once they get their

1210
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: guys back, and that might be true, that may be true.

1211
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: But what the forty nine ers have been able to

1212
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: do defensively despite having so many of their key defensive

1213
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: players out, I mean three defensive linemen on IR four

1214
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: from the secondary, and they've been able to still play

1215
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: really good football. It's very very impressive what they've been

1216
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: able to do and what they've been able to maintain

1217
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: and kind of weather the storm as they figure it out.

1218
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: And we won't go to the cuts here, but just

1219
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: some injury updates on the forty nine er side of

1220
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: things for you guys. Shanahan optimistic that running back Tevin

1221
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Coleman will be back this week. They could be short

1222
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: running back Jeff Wilson Junior, who had maybe the best

1223
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: game of his career in a win over the Paths

1224
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: last week. Could also be without wide receiver deebos Samuel,

1225
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: who has a hamstring injury. Is huge, so two players

1226
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Both were huge factors for

1227
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: this team in a game last week. But again, Tevin

1228
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Coleman could certainly be a factor this week. They also

1229
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: have Jake Jamichael Hasty who's like their backup, backup running back.

1230
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: He actually had some pretty good plays too, So some

1231
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: names to keep an eye on. But the forty nine

1232
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: Ers also pretty banged up heading into this Sunday's game.

1233
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next are the forty nine Ers.

1234
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: Still the seahawks biggest rival we're looking at, still a

1235
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: really tough NFC West, but one with some shifting rivalries

1236
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: and powers. So we're gonna get to that next in

1237
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: the huddle. This is the huddle every Thursday from noon

1238
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back into

1239
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: the huddle with Dave Wyman, Tom Wastle, Jake Keeps, and

1240
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: Stacy Ross. We're gonna be joined in just a couple

1241
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: of minutes by Shakim Griffin and Ryan Neil, both having

1242
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: great moments on defense for the Seahawks, kind of coming

1243
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: up at a time when Seattle really really needs the help.

1244
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, it's the forty nine

1245
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Ers this Sunday, We've got to ask ourselves about this

1246
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: rivalry once again. Dave, is this still very much the

1247
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: Seahawks biggest rivals? I don't think so. I think it's

1248
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: the Rams. I think the Rams agree with you. By

1249
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, I feel and I felt like going

1250
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: into the season that everybody was counting them out and

1251
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: they were gonna put Arizona ahead of them. I think

1252
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: the Rams have always been a problem for the Seahawks.

1253
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: And remember last year there was a you know, if

1254
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: they hadn't missed that kick at the end, they would

1255
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: have swept him. And they took care of them pretty

1256
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: handily down in La to Cook care of the Seahawks.

1257
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: That is so I feel like as far as matchups go,

1258
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean this the forty nine or thing that goes

1259
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: back to Legion of Boom and all that. But I

1260
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: haven't felt like, you know, at once they got really bad.

1261
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: It became the Rams and then and I thought, kind

1262
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: of at the at the height of it was when

1263
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: Justin Britt hit Aaron Donald out by where the cheerleaders stand.

1264
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: I loved that, and actually, you know that we're and

1265
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: they gotten a little bit got into a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a fight fight afterwards, and I remember Britt getting

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Speaker 1: on the plane and uh, you know, and he was

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01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: mumbling something and I asked him about it and he goes,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna punch him right in his fat gut, is

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: what he said about Aaron Donald. So you know, I'm

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: that's that's on top of a list of people I

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: would never want to get. Well. Also doesn't have a

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01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: fat gut. It's pretty in shape for a defensive tick.

1274
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: Maybe at the time, maybe at the time he had one.

1275
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: But Britt, remember he was like a state champion heavyweight wrestler. Yeah, oh,

1276
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, brit don't mess with the wrestlers. Yeah, telling

1277
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Speaker 1: you those are those are the guys that can twist

1278
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: you into a not But anyway, good point, though, I mean,

1279
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to look at the forty nine ers as

1280
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: just an ongoing rival with the Seahawks when they were

1281
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: sitting at the bottom of the division for almost five

1282
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Speaker 1: years in a row. Jake, what do you think, Well,

1283
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: I think if you don't understand just absolute pettiness, then

1284
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: you don't understand rivalries because it doesn't matter who is

1285
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: on top, who who is at the bottom, you're still

1286
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: always going to hold onto that rivalry. Um. The other

1287
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: side of it, though, is is that there's moments that

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01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: it gets revived, right and over the last couple of

1289
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: years and you know, last year and this year, I

1290
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: think that that rivalry gets revived and you it takes

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01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: on a different you know frame, it takes on you know,

1292
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: with different players, but it still lingers and it's still there.

1293
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you could look onto you know,

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01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: my Twitter, and today I reposted a post from Parker

1295
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Lewis Junior who had a highlight of Russell Wilson's every

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01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: touchdown pass against the forty nine Ers and encourage every

1297
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: Seahawk fan to retweet it to bless the forty nine

1298
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: ers timeline on their Twitter. So you know, it's those opportunities,

1299
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: it's those digs that you live for, and that's what

1300
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: makes sports great. Yeah, it seems to be um for

1301
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason. More trash talk going back and forth between

1302
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: Niner fans and Seahawk fans, like we've had. We have

1303
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: a handful of people on Twitter or texting the show

1304
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: that are definitively Niner fans just trolling us. We never

1305
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: get Ram fans doing that, and the Cardinals fans that

1306
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: talk to us are usually pretty polite about it. So

1307
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: that's what. Yeah, but half of Rams fans are still

1308
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: figuring out that there's a football team in LA, Like

1309
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: they're just learning the basics right now, you know what

1310
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean? They're getting it. They've got to learn what

1311
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: a field goal is and everything before they try to

1312
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: come at us with any insults. Well, the Arizona fans,

1313
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: all all the Arizona fans do is sell their tickets

1314
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: to Seahawk Fross. That's exactly what it is, all right,

1315
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: all right, you guys, We are going to be joined

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Speaker 1: by two very fun Seahawks guests. Next, we have Shakeem

1317
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: Griffin and Ryan Neil. That's next on the huddle every

1318
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Speaker 1: Thursday from noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle.

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: Welcome into the huddle with Dave Wyman, Tom Wasastle, Jake Keats,

1320
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: and Stacy Ross. We're going to be joined here in

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: just a moment by Shakeem Griffin and Ryan Neil. You guys,

1322
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're joined by these two guys, not

1323
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: just because both our wonderful interviews both have been on

1324
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: the seven ten airwaves before, but because for all of

1325
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: the negative things that will say about this defense, there

1326
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: have been so many strong individual performances, whether it's in

1327
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: individual moments like Ryan Neil with an interception and back

1328
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: to back games coming right off the bench, just a

1329
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: fantastic performance by him, or if it's Shakeem Griffin with

1330
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: his own moments, trying to get to the passer an

1331
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,479
Speaker 1: opportunity there to help the pass rush. I mean, there

1332
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: have been moments, Dave where you've thought, wow, that was

1333
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: a really cool individual performance from that player. Yeah. And

1334
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, and watching Bobby Blitz the quarterback, I think

1335
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: he's one of the best at that. kJ Wright getting

1336
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: his hand on what four passes in two games and

1337
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: getting a pick, I mean, yeah, so there has been that.

1338
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: But you know, and that's the thing that sometimes on

1339
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: our show when we talk about the defense, it's like, well,

1340
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: you can't really talk about the defense because they're bad.

1341
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: I disagree. I mean they're still making some plays. I

1342
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: mean Vincent Mayoa with his you know, fourth down stops

1343
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and then the stop against UM Minnesota and

1344
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: some of the plays that he's made. There's been a

1345
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of really good, inspiring performances. They're just not playing together,

1346
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, as well as they should be, that's for sure. Yeah,

1347
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: And I think that to you know, what you've seen

1348
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: is that even you know, he Jamal Adams not having

1349
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: been here for a couple of weeks, I'm curious to

1350
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: know what this secondary looks like when they're totally healthy,

1351
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: because he also had some some standout moments. Jake, Uh, Yes,

1352
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: can you guys hear me yet? You know? Yeah? Okay,

1353
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: all right? Um. So I think when when we're looking

1354
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: at uh, that that group and you're talking about those

1355
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: individual performances, Dave, the reason why injuries keep getting brought

1356
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: up and Pete keeps saying, I think we we're gonna

1357
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: get to get better is because you look at a

1358
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: guy like Benson Mayowa. Benson Mayoa, the best he has

1359
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: played is when he plays in that sweet spot of

1360
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty percent of the snaps, and he is

1361
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: playing such a high percentage of snaps right now, and

1362
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: so I think that his effort. I actually applaud it

1363
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: because he's doing something that is outside of his comfort

1364
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: zone and doing it pretty well. You add a guy

1365
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: like Carlos Dunlap, you know, next week, and now you've

1366
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: got those two guys playing at at a decent, healthy

1367
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: percentage of snaps. Not one guy's being asked to do

1368
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: too much. You add snacks, Harrison, it helps Jared Reid

1369
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: and poona Ford out. How much can that help this

1370
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: group defensively? Because it's such a different aspect than offense,

1371
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: where offense you want to get more in a rhythm,

1372
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: you want to be in the game more, whereas defensively

1373
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: sometimes it's about can you stay fresh. Yeah, it's a

1374
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: good point you bring up, because I remember Jaron Reid

1375
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: early on too, was playing like eighty percent of the snaps.

1376
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: So you've got to get those guys in and out

1377
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: of the field, I think, and I brought this up earlier.

1378
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Do they have the talent? And then let's go let's

1379
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: talk to Chaquim. Yeah, let's bring Shakim on right now. Shakim,

1380
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm doing good? How are you doing good? Good?

1381
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: We're joined right now by Shakim Griffin. Shakim. I'm curious

1382
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: what were the conversations like between defensive players heading out

1383
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: of this loss and into next week? I mean, was

1384
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: there any kind of new conversation that happened? I mean,

1385
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: how have you guys kind of tried to stir up

1386
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: some inspiration for a comeback win against the forty nine ers. Um,

1387
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: it was just all about mindset. I feel like the

1388
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: main thing that we took away from this game is

1389
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: is that we can't beat about selves and end up

1390
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: carrying it to the next week is like, how what

1391
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: do we need to do? How can we fix it

1392
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: and then fix it immediately? And I think this week

1393
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: coming in, everybody had a different mindset coming in as

1394
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: far as like being downed in, you know, being serious,

1395
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: making sure that they tuned into their keys, because obviously

1396
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things and a lot of mistakes

1397
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: that we may that can beat ourselves and if we

1398
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: continue to make the same mistakes that we won't get better.

1399
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: So the whole manset is that's fix the little things,

1400
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: you know, that's focused on the small things and get

1401
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: those out then for nothing to worry about learning about

1402
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: it later on the season. Um, So we had a

1403
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys who stepped up, you know, Bobby Camera

1404
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: to our does kJ and my brother, they all stepped

1405
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: up and you know, spoke out and a lot of

1406
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: things that some people didn't want to hear had to hear.

1407
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like that was the that was the

1408
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: turning point for us to know that, you know what,

1409
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna hold each other accountable and make sure we

1410
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: fix everything we need to the start winning again. Tell

1411
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: us about those those conversations, do you guys have like

1412
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: player only meetings shikim or where did those those kinds

1413
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: of sort of come to Jesus if you will. UM

1414
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: talks happen, UM. It happens in our defensive meetings. UM

1415
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: most of the time when we get together and all

1416
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: the coaches be there too, So it's not like this

1417
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: player prayer lab. But it's it's everybody. You know, it's

1418
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: not only just for the players, for the coaches, for

1419
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 1: everyone to hear. You know, we all still all together.

1420
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: It's all one, and you know, we never want to

1421
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: leave the coaches out because sometimes they got to hear

1422
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: a few things that we were fit in a certain way,

1423
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: and you know that's I feel like that's what kind

1424
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: of brought us closer together, is we able to hold

1425
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: everybody accountable, and you know, being able to communicate with

1426
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: your coaches in that way makes a closer team. And

1427
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: I feel like this team this year is is taking

1428
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: full accountability, not just players wise, but coaches too. She came.

1429
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: I know that some of the conversation also with Pete

1430
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Carroll is you know, don't do too much right, don't

1431
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: try and do something that's not a part of your job,

1432
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: or you know that you need to do something extra,

1433
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: either in the big moments, the big rivalry games, or

1434
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: even when you're struggling. How how I guess how much

1435
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: of a relief is that to just realize that, hey,

1436
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to do too much other than just

1437
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: do my job to the to the best of my

1438
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: ability and just really focus and dial in on that.

1439
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's like the most important thing, because

1440
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: when you don't have that, that that sense of way

1441
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: on your back to to be able to go out there,

1442
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: it always feel good. So when you just know what

1443
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: you're doing, you know your kids, you know you need

1444
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: to look at you know what to do the right things,

1445
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: and you know your plays. If only thing you do

1446
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: is play football, you know, it don't matter what type

1447
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: of game it is or whole you're playing. At the

1448
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: end of day, it is still the same game. And

1449
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: it's football. Um, you gotta make your plays, you gotta

1450
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: win your match ups, and you gotta you gotta, you

1451
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: gotta win out there, and that's the most important thing.

1452
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: So with with Pete being able to the reminders of that,

1453
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: it's amazing because you've got a lot of coaches who

1454
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: will hype up a Sunday night game or hype up

1455
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: at Thursday night or a Monday night game, and you

1456
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: have everybody so hyped up that ended up making stuff

1457
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: up and doing aft. You're just trying to make a

1458
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: play instead of just doing what you've been coached, doing

1459
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: what you've been working on the entire week or just

1460
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: the entire season. You know, to stay you be you

1461
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: learning stuff and do it right now. You played forty

1462
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: eight percent of the defensive snaps the other night. And

1463
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: I know you play special teams too, But when you're

1464
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: there on the sidelines and say sometimes they don't use

1465
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: you until later in the game, are you just like

1466
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit to get in there? Like, oh, like,

1467
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm gonna do when I get

1468
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: in there. Is it is it tough to watch from

1469
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: the sidelines, And how much of a leaf visit to

1470
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: finally be in there. I mean, it's a big relief.

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Speaker 1: And I think for me is just make sure I

1472
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Speaker 1: stayed down there. You know, I want to be able

1473
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: to go out there and try to make things shake

1474
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: as much as possible. I want to try to help

1475
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: and contribute. So my whole thing is I'm want to sailing.

1476
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: I stayed down there and I look at the guys

1477
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: that's out there. I look at what's going on. For

1478
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: when I get a chance that you're out there, I

1479
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: won't be lost. And for me to be able to

1480
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: do that, I mean, it helps out a lot because

1481
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: the more I do, the more I play. So stayed

1482
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: down then to everything that's going on and being able

1483
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: to understand my role and when I get a chance

1484
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: to go out there and just make plays there, it's

1485
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: just trying to make something, have something splash when I

1486
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: get a chance to. All right, he is Shaquem Griffin, Chaqim.

1487
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking the time. We appreciate it.

1488
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: That's no problem, thank you for having me. All right,

1489
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined here in just a moment. I

1490
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 1: asked him one time who was nicer him or Shaquille.

1491
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: He said, I'm nicer. I think that it might be.

1492
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: It's close. It is close. They are both just exceptionally

1493
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: nice kind I was. I was almost gonna say, kids,

1494
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah. Do you think they ever just allow

1495
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 1: one to be better at something than the other, because

1496
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. They compete in everything,

1497
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: like who's nicer, who runs faster, who's better looking, who's

1498
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: the better actor? I mean, like whatever it is, I

1499
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: can't imagine easy either. Let's probably like who can eat more?

1500
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: Even that even eating contests. Huh yeah, oh yeah. And

1501
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: I was going to ask him, but I wonder if

1502
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, do they because I think they

1503
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: they room together on the road. I mean they're always together.

1504
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: I always see them together. So it's it's interesting with

1505
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: with twins, you know, and I know Jim has twins,

1506
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes they're a little bit they're not

1507
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: as tight, and these two are really tight. Yeah, you

1508
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: see him together all the time. And just just a

1509
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: pleasure to have both of those guys on this team.

1510
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna be joined by Ryan Neil here in just

1511
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: one moment. You know. It was interesting he said that

1512
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: Shaqim when he joined us, there were some tough conversations,

1513
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: some things maybe no one wanted to hear. What do

1514
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: you think those were? Yeah, that's interesting, you know because

1515
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: he mentioned that the coaches were there too, and that's

1516
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: it used to be that the players would kick the

1517
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: coaches out of the room and say, hey, we need

1518
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: to come together, we need to to and sometimes you

1519
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: would have the wrong people that would get up and

1520
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: lead yes, and and guys would just scream and yeah.

1521
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: I remember Jacob Green did one time and uh, And

1522
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: Jacob said something about how I'm going to get three

1523
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: sacks this weekend, and I was sitting there, going, yeah,

1524
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: sure you are. He went and got four. I think, so,

1525
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that's uh. Sometimes you see, Jacob Green

1526
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 1: was a great leader, great leader, one of the best.

1527
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: So every once in a while you see that. But

1528
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the coaches were there too, and you know,

1529
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of it was, you know,

1530
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of criticism of them, but who knows.

1531
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: And joining us right now is Ryan Neil. Ryan, how

1532
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing fantastic? How you guys doing good? Good?

1533
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean I have to ask you the obvious questions here,

1534
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: which are just tell us how you've been feeling these

1535
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: past few weeks. I mean, you burst onto the scene,

1536
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: thrown into a game last minute, you get called up

1537
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: twenty four hours before, you seal the win with an interception,

1538
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: get an interception in the following contest, and by the way,

1539
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: I gotta say, you really impressed a lot of people

1540
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: here at seven ten with a separate play, you're hit

1541
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: on a run by Miles Gaskin. Just blew up that run.

1542
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. I mean, how are you feeling right now? Well,

1543
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: right now, I'm just feeling like I mean, you know,

1544
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: it's all exciting. No, it's really a blessing. I'm grateful

1545
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: for it all. Been a long road and you know,

1546
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm just taking it one day at a time, one

1547
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: week at a time, and just focused on being even

1548
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: better than the week before, improving week by week, you know,

1549
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: just making sure that my brothers on the field know

1550
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: that I'm accountable and responsible and they think that they

1551
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: can count the me whenever they need me, no matter

1552
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: where it is, no matter what time, when my name

1553
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: is called, they know that they can rely on me.

1554
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: So that's just kind of where I'm at with it

1555
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: all right now. Man, you sound like a good teammate.

1556
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: That's that's good stuff. Man. Hey, how many players between?

1557
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: Did anybody count us? How many plays between interceptions? Because

1558
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: the end of the Dallas game and yeah, what was

1559
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: that like maybe four or five later, but Stacy mentioned

1560
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: you got an interception in that game against Miami and

1561
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: then you had the huge hit. What's better? Which one's better.

1562
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: Definitely the interception game changing. I mean, that's that's what

1563
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: you live for on defense, man, I mean, you live

1564
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: for the big hits. By the end of the day,

1565
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: it's about that ball. You know, we preach about it

1566
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: every day and that's something that man, you just you

1567
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: want more of those. That feeling compared to a big

1568
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: hit feeling to me, is not it's not the same

1569
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: that that intercession. You know, when you get those, it

1570
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 1: just it changes the game. Man. It takes the air

1571
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: out of the other team, and you get all your guys,

1572
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, to get everybody going, and the offense gets

1573
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: even more exotic as now they're trying to go ahead

1574
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: and finish the deal, you know, seal the deal, you know,

1575
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: get a pick, let's let's go score, you know what

1576
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that the intercession feeling death we over

1577
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: rise a big hit for me, Ryan, you know, it's

1578
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: really fun seeing you have these opportunities because I myself

1579
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: was kind of a fringe player in the league, you know,

1580
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: trying to make a roster. You get these opportunities. Uh,

1581
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: how how much are you able to enjoy all of

1582
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: this and have a different perspective than maybe some of

1583
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: these guys who have been drafted been putting these positions

1584
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: right from the get go, and you have had, you know,

1585
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: to go through cuts, to go through different organizations and

1586
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: and you know kind of go through this road. Man.

1587
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: It's really it is. When I look back at it all,

1588
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: it's just it astonishes me when I just see how

1589
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: the stories unfolding, because like I said, man, like you said,

1590
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: you come from you know, the undrafting, and you get

1591
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: cut and go from team the team, and a lot

1592
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: of people, you know, they turned it in. I mean

1593
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: I almost turned it in, just like, man, this is

1594
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: this game really man, you know what I mean? And

1595
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: my bad am I as good as I thought I was.

1596
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, it gets all those questions, but you get

1597
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: the question of what do you what are you gonna

1598
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: do next? Right? Yeah, what are you gonna do next?

1599
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: And that definitely pops up and it's just like man,

1600
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's hard, it's tough, but at

1601
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like I said before, you

1602
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: just you gotta come back, man, you gotta come back,

1603
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: because one thing I do know is if you quit,

1604
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: then you will never know what could have been. You

1605
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and if you don't quit, you

1606
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: will eventually find out. And so that's just kind of

1607
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: how I've been taking the day by day, just keep

1608
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: going back at it. And you know, even when I

1609
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: was on practice squad, just trying to make plays in practice,

1610
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, giving me that compidence and that belief. You know,

1611
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm going against the one. So if I make a play,

1612
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, that's that's a play I could make

1613
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: in a game against you know I started, you know,

1614
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: I was starting offense and that and it just gives

1615
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: you compidence. So you know, those years, I just took

1616
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: the time to just craft. Man, You craft, you stay down,

1617
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: you keep working, and eventually at all a pop. So

1618
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: that's just kind of how it happened with me. And

1619
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: like I said, when I think back on it, nothing

1620
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: but just you know, grate when it just comes open

1621
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: to me. Man, Just like man, this is just you know,

1622
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: it was wonderful, which I can't even explain to now.

1623
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting goom talking about it. Love it, man, love it,

1624
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: Love it well, Pete. Pete Carroll must really trust you

1625
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: out there, because I mean they've got you running every

1626
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: which way, They've got you in deep coverage. They've got

1627
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: you blitching. I mean, you're all over the place, and

1628
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, like, when you're challenged by your coaches

1629
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: to do more, you know, it's not you're just coming

1630
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: in spots. You're out there all the time. Do you

1631
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: respond better to that the more you're challenged? Well, yeah,

1632
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: it all comes from just like the way I look

1633
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: at it is you know, first of all, Guy would

1634
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: never put me in a situation that I wasn't prepared

1635
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: to handle. And it goes back to those years on

1636
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: practice squad and going from corner to say that it

1637
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: gave me the comments because I was holding those skills

1638
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: or being able to do whatever was required. So when

1639
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: they asked me to do something, it boosts my comment

1640
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: because like, Okay, they believe I can do it. I

1641
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: definitely believe I can do it. You know what I'm saying,

1642
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't go oh man, that's that's a

1643
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: big no. I can do that. I can definitely do it.

1644
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: And and that's all part of showing, you know, showing

1645
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: the organization, showing myself, show in the world that I

1646
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: know I'm not just a feeling. You know, I believe

1647
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: that I can play this game at a very high level.

1648
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: And then that goes back to just improvement weeks a

1649
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: week and you know, doing the best that I can.

1650
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: And and they also goes back to you know what

1651
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying my brothers when I'm out there and they

1652
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: I tell him, when you see thirty five, I want

1653
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: them to know, like, no, we can play with this dude.

1654
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: He can play. I'm on his team, you know what

1655
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's kind of the approach I have to.

1656
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: You know, whenever they asked me to do anything, I'm

1657
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: just like, no, I can do that. Yeah, I definitely

1658
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: can do that. So that's kind of how I approach it. Well, Ryan,

1659
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: we're certainly rooting for you, not just because you're a story,

1660
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: but you are just legitimately a fun player to watch man.

1661
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: You do a great job out there. Best of luck

1662
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: this weekend. Go get him Sunday. Okay, thank you. I

1663
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: will thank you so much. Guys. Appreciate it, dude, because

1664
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: you could have a whole team of Ryan Neils and

1665
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: you'll be doing well. Yeah. He's got a great Personality's

1666
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: got an older brother that played in the NFL for

1667
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: the Packers, and so just I love the story. The

1668
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: question you asked Jake, you know, does he appreciate it more?

1669
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I mean, I think when you're you're chasing

1670
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: it for that long, you have as much adversity and

1671
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: you get cut and all that as he's had, it

1672
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: just makes it so much sweeter. So you know, I

1673
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: wish I would appreciated it more. I think I did,

1674
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: But you know, the time that I did have in there,

1675
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: I guess now I think, man, what a great job.

1676
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: And I always tell the players, you know, don't think

1677
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: about retiring. It's no good on the outside. Yeah, I mean,

1678
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: well there was there when I when I when I

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Speaker 1: first got into this, Dave, you said, stay away from here,

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: go go play, go do something you know, and and

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Speaker 1: uh and and it's one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: can attest to with Brian Neil and his mindset and

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Speaker 1: his attitude. And I asked him that question. Is because

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Speaker 1: when you're on the fringe of things, you feel that

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01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: finality to it, and some guys they respond really, really

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: well to it, and some guys are so worried about, oh,

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Speaker 1: I need to do things right, I need to make

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Speaker 1: a mistake. And the other way is how appreciative they

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Speaker 1: are of the moment and love it and are like

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Speaker 1: a kid enjoying every day. Um and so it just

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01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: seems like Ryan is handling it the right way, handling

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Speaker 1: that pressure, in thriving in it an awesome way to

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Speaker 1: end the show. To end today's huddle, you guys love

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01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: that message, both from you and Jake and from Ryan.

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Speaker 1: It's been fantastic. You can hear Dave later during Bob

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Speaker 1: David Moore that's coming up at three pm today, Tom,

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Speaker 1: Jake and Stacy is next. So don't go anywhere. This

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Speaker 1: has been the Huddle