1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt Nol is not with us at 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: the moment, but will be returning soon. They called me Ben. 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Folks, if you're watching the YouTube, 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: you may be wondering why I've been wearing this Singha 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: hat consistently. I'm just gonna be honest, Matt, with you 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: and code named Doc and everybody else. Uh working from home, 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later in this show. Working from 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: home has uh still kept me busy and I just 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: need a shower. That's That's why I'm wearing at right now. Yeah, 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta yeah sure. So this Uh it's 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: funny because right now as we're recording, the news cycle 19 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: is dominated by a celebrity debacle at the Academy Awards, 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: and people love talking about celebrities. They love deifying and 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: vilifying them. But we wanted to bring you some stuff 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: that is not celebrity based, and that is probably going 23 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: to disappear in the news cycle as as the news 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: has dominated, for better or worse, by a story of 25 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: quite wealthy people having a disagreement over a joke. Here's 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: some of the stuff you may have missed. We're going 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: to talk about an innovative strategy one company is you 28 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: seen to get its workers back in the office. We're 29 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: going to talk about some infiltration of gangs and organized 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: crime that leads into a bigger episode, I think. And 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: we are also coming to you right out of the gate, 32 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: coming in hot with an update on UFOs. Matt. You remember, 33 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: it was the height of the pandemic. The government of 34 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: the United States came out and basically said everything but aliens. 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: They said, there's definitely stuff in the sky in the seas. 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: There are these trans medium objects that appear to be 37 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: intelligently directed, and we don't know who would be directing them. 38 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: We also have no idea what kind of technology this 39 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: could be. Uh. As a matter of fact, the collective 40 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: egg heads and buffins and generals of this country shrugged 41 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: and said, we don't know enough about physics to explain 42 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: how these things could be doing what they're doing. And 43 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: then a report finally came out from the Pentagon. It's 44 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: about nine pages long. The gist of it was, I 45 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: hope he didn't sound too cynical. We said this earlier 46 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: met But what I got the gist of it to 47 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: be was we need more money. Yes, well, it's true 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: when there's not enough money being thrown out a problem, 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: government agency or private entity generally says we need more 50 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: of those stacks. Give us more stacks and we'll give 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: you more and we'll give you more results. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 52 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: And that was, you know, we're cracking on them a little, 53 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: but that was a valid part of the report. They 54 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: just you know, emphasized it a lot. And I think 55 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: part of that was they wanted to be very clear 56 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: that they they could continue their investigation. They just needed 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: more funding to deepen to the scope of their work. 58 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: You know. So this report we're talking about came out 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: on June from an outfit called the Office of the 60 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence or owdney O D and I, 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: and they released two reports, one for the public, one 62 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: that was classified. A lot of folks, ourselves included, found 63 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: the public reports somewhat a little underwhelming, you know what 64 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean. But also we were, like everybody else, at 65 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: the height of the lockdown, someone said, Okay, aliens might 66 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: be real, and we, like everyone else, just sort of 67 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: went alright, fine, man, I got a lot of stuff 68 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: going on, you know what I mean. I'm trying to 69 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: get to a grocery store and not die as a result. 70 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: So it was understandable that this made less of a 71 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: splash than it would have if it came out in 72 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: the early two thousands. The public report, the unclassified report, 73 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: is nine pages long. It did offer up some details 74 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: about some one it in forty four sightings, or at 75 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: least mainly classified them, and two of the classifications were 76 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: really exciting for US. Yeah, and specifically they were they 77 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: were interactions by military personnel, naval personnel with some kind 78 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: of objects, right, yes, absolutely, Yeah, that's a great point. 79 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: So these weren't untrained civilians who were just happened to 80 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: who just happened to see something in the sky that 81 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: they couldn't explain. You know, you have to remember again 82 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: that the majority of civilians, ourselves included, would have a 83 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: tough time accounting for distance and how that affects perspective, 84 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and an even tougher time conclusively identifying or differentiating between 85 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: commercial or military aircraft. At some point, you know, you 86 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: just see the streak in the air and you say, oh, 87 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: that's a jet, and that's as close as as most 88 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: cities are going to get. But here's what happened recently 89 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: and something that I think we're all excited about. We 90 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to get this lost in the news. We 91 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: need to give some fanfare and a big shout out 92 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: to the one and only the man, the myth researcher, 93 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: John Greenwald Jr. Who is the creator a long time 94 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: operator of something called the Black Vault. He is also 95 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: a top notch expert in actually getting FOIA request to 96 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: go through Freedom of Information Act requests, and Greenwalt scored 97 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: quite a coup recently. He has obtained a copy of 98 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: that classified report and he did it legally through the 99 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: FOIA Act. He calls it a small triumph in the 100 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: effort to get transparency on a hot topic issue. And 101 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: everything that he did he did by the book, and 102 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: he acted really quickly. The report he got, Unfortunately, you 103 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: could call it a used copy. It has a lot 104 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: of black highlighter in it, right. So so in this 105 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: case we have a lot of guessing because some of 106 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: this you can read between the lines quite literally using 107 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: context clues, where you see you see the location in 108 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: the paper of something that's been redacted. Right, So if 109 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: there are, for instance, and this is just an example, 110 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: doesn't occur in there. If you see a section that says, like, 111 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: on this page, blah blah blah will discuss the common 112 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: appearances of these U A p S unidentified aerial phenomenon 113 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: that people seem to be encountering. And then you go 114 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: to that page and it's blacked out, you still know 115 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: at the very least that there is in that report 116 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: a description of the common shape, right, whether that be 117 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: a tic tac or a saucer or a triangular shape. 118 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: So I want to go to two places. I want 119 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: to go to the origin and reporting from Greenwald himself 120 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: on the Black Vault dot com. And want to go 121 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: over to the debrief. The debrief is a great source 122 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of things of this nature. So shout 123 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: out to Greenwald, and shout out to the journalist Micah Hanks, 124 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: who writes a great, a great summarization of this. I 125 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: would say this is a primer. Start there and then 126 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: go to the Black Vault. Dig into your heart's content, 127 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: but be ready to be frustrated because it is heavily redacted. 128 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: What we see here is that the classified version that 129 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Greenwald obtained you learn a lot by comparing it to 130 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: the d classified version. This one is about seventeen pages 131 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: to the nine pages of the public facing version, so 132 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: it's a little shorter that I think you and I 133 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: were hoping, because I don't know about you, Matt, but 134 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: my my big hope was that there would be and 135 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: a somewhat in depth description of each of those hundred 136 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: and forty four incidents. And that's not happening here. Yeah, 137 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: that's not happening here. And you know what, Initially I 138 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: did feel like that's what would be coming, right, some 139 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of full report with all the stuff. But thinking 140 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: about it further, I don't know exactly what people running 141 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: congressional hearing is actually get in front of them, you know, 142 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: in preparation to have some kind of discussion or presentation 143 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: on something like that. But it doesn't feel like it 144 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: would be the hundred and forty four well, I love 145 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: you imagine a hundred forty four incidents, it's at least 146 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: one page each. Some of them probably require two to 147 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: three pages, if not more, with like maybe images that 148 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: were captured or during the event or something like that. 149 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: There's no way each individual congress person in that meeting 150 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: is going to get that stack of papers. Yeah, I just, 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: I just I imagine that's what it would be in 152 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: my mind, right exactly. And Congress often is short on time, 153 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: given that they have to dedicate so much of their 154 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: day to pleasing their campaign financers, right, so they have 155 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: to make they have to make their v i p 156 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: s happy. And if you're listening this, you're probably not 157 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: one of their v i p s. So you can 158 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: write to them if you want anyway. Pardon my cynicism there, Matt, 159 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists 160 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: are nodding in agreement. It's in a political point at 161 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: this juncture. So let's just really quick knock out some 162 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: of the things that Greenwald has found here. So he 163 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: noticed that the CIA probably like the CIA, is absent 164 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: in the public report, and there's a reason for that 165 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: because the CIA operates often outside of US soil, so 166 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: any contributions or observations they had about this would have 167 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: been giving away quite possibly giving away covert intelligence operations 168 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Clan DestinE, you know, spooky stuff. So that's probably mentioned 169 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: in the non public report or the c I A. 170 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Maybe just wasn't involved, But there's this short redaction on 171 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: page two that makes it seem like they did appear 172 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: somewhere in the original draft. We just don't know how 173 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: they appeared. It's got to be a right because it 174 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: comes right before in the large list of agencies, and 175 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: the one right after the redaction is the d i A. Yeah, 176 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, we're being overly fair. 177 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Perhaps we learned a little bit more about the incidents 178 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: that were reported. A lot of these incidents come from 179 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: something called range fowler reports. The Navy uses the phrase 180 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: range Fowler to describe any activity or object that interrupts 181 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: a pre planned training or other activity. So these can 182 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: occur in restricted airspace where civilian craft and honestly military 183 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: craft that aren't part of the extra size aren't supposed 184 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to be. This is trespassing of the highest order. In 185 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: other words, if it's if it's purposeful. So this also 186 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: tells us that when we compare the two reports, we 187 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: see some more details about the limitations of the sensors 188 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: that these operators are using, because they're not they're not 189 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: up there trying to track unidentified flying objects or excuse me, 190 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomenon. They're not suited for this. So it's 191 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: kind of like you can have the best hammer in 192 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the world, but if you need a screwdriver, the best 193 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: hammer is not gonna be the ideal tool, even if 194 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: it's the world's best. So that's kind of what they're 195 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: saying here, and it's a good point. They also have 196 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: commentary regarding the altitudes where u AP were most frequently observed, 197 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: and that was removed from the public release. There are 198 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: also some there are a lot of indicators in this 199 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: document that point to stuff that was later redacted, and 200 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: that's very weird because it lets us get a little 201 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: bit of a peek into the redaction process. So we 202 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: don't have, you know, like, we don't know if the 203 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: CIA isn't there, but something right before the d i 204 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: A got wiped out. Dude, been in this same section 205 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: that you're talking about. Uh, there's a part in page 206 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: five where they're discussing commonalities between sightings. And there's just 207 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: one little thing that would you mind if I just 208 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: read from the reacted document? Okay, alright, so this is 209 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,359 Speaker 1: on what what is observed in the similarities between observances. 210 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: It says the most common shape described by military personnel 211 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: and their reporting was a Military aviators described many of 212 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: these objects as orp that several sightings were and resembled 213 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: shapes like A or yeah it's true, it's true, uh, 214 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: which can be maddening, you know, it's almost I don't 215 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: know if anybody else spends as much time reading these 216 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: redacted reports as uh not and myself, but sometimes you 217 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: want to throw up your hand and say, why did 218 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: you give me anything? You know what I mean, like 219 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: you you literally cherry picked all the important words out 220 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: of this, and why why? Like what's the big deal 221 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: in saying this is what people observed in the sky? 222 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: I guess potentially if it is military, you know, like 223 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: secret military tech of some sort, they don't want to 224 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: give away. Like even if it's potentially military tech that's unknown, 225 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: they don't want to give that away. I don't understand. Yeah, 226 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: and now we know that there are also there's also 227 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: more out there regarding their descriptions of the categories. There's 228 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: even a redacted section and airborne clutter, which would be 229 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: up there with weather phenomenon as the most mundane possibilities. 230 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: But they also of course have some hefty redaction under 231 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: foreign adversary systems. There are still I know we're making 232 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: it seem like a wash, but do check out the 233 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: debrief article, Do check out Greenwald's work. Do also check 234 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: out the actual redactive report, which you can read, because 235 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: another surprising thing about this, and this is what will 236 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: end on, is that there are new parts of the 237 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: story that remain unredacted. Mainly it's stuff that helps give 238 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: us an idea about which categories are the least likely 239 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: in terms of u a PU reports that Uncle Sam 240 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,479 Speaker 1: is collecting. We know that almost none of the incidents, 241 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: virtually none of these incidents studied by the program, can 242 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: be linked conclusively to natural atmospheric phenomenon, so that while 243 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like a small wind, it is a big win. 244 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: And I'd like to end on green Walt's statement here 245 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: before we go to break to something very different. He says, 246 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: quote the release of this report, although discouraging with the 247 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: level of redactions does tell us a story worth pursuing. 248 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: Some of this involved speculation, as we clearly just have 249 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: to guess at what is behind some of the black 250 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: but he says it does give me hope that although 251 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: we may never know the entire puzzle, with a little 252 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: bit of blood, sweat and tears, we can get hold 253 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: of quite a few more pieces than we originally had. 254 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: So shout out to you, Mr Greenwald. We agree there's 255 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: something in the sky. Will pause for a word from 256 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we'll be back with strange news in 257 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: a different way. What would it take do you get 258 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: you back in the office? Oh my gosh, take a 259 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: little break here, So Matt, when it's you and me 260 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: hanging out with with Doc on these um one thing 261 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: that I think we always have a lot of fun 262 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: with is finding what we kind of think of as 263 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: our third act. We want to have We want to 264 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: have a story that is a little bit off the 265 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: beaten path. Beaten path, oh man, uh, I know. We 266 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: want to have a story that is uh maybe even 267 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit off color, a little 268 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: bit of funny, something to give all of us conspiracy 269 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: realist a bit of levity. So this next story is 270 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily stuff they don't want you to know. Well, 271 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: it's stuff. You probably don't want your co workers to know. 272 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: It's stuff. I would. I mean, if you go in 273 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: that room, if you go in the room, right every So, 274 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. These are inside jokes, just getting ready they 275 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: land afterwards in retrospect. Yeah, we'll make them outside jokes. 276 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty soon. So, Matt, you and I went back 277 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and forth just briefly, uh to the momentary confusion of 278 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: our good friend. The better part of the show codenam 279 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: doc u, and we learned about a company called strip Chat. 280 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: Strip Chat is an adult website and social network company 281 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: I had not heard of before, and like many other companies, 282 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out what kind of perks 283 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: they could give their employees to keep them there during 284 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic. They were also trying to think more about 285 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: work life ballots, as a lot of people left their 286 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: jobs when they said, you know, this isn't worth it, uh, 287 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: And they wanted to entice people to come back to work. 288 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: And this happened for a lot of us. You know, 289 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: you may be in a position, folks, where your job 290 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: is saying, hey, we're gonna give you some perks. We're 291 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: gonna relax some things, you know, like we want you 292 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: back in the office, but we'll give you flexible hours 293 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: something like that. That's pretty common. Maybe they have a 294 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: company lunch once a month or so. We used to 295 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: do that and I think we all really enjoyed it 296 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: every so often. Maybe they'll take you out for drinks. 297 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: That's cool too. But strip chat went above and beyond, 298 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: or you could say they went below the belt. Well, 299 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: they're offering, in my opinion, a really neat looking, uh 300 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: black pod that is potentially cool. I feel like you 301 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: could do some cool stuff in there. They want you 302 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: to do something very animalistic. Say something natural but animalistic 303 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: just another way of saying natural. Okay, we'll say we'll 304 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: we gotta star yeah, in a high tech way. We 305 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: gotta stop hot potato in this Uh this looks kind 306 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: of like the one wheel uh buzz saw g I 307 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Joe toy that Cobra had h And it's got a 308 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: side entrance. There's it's a high tech pod that has 309 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: an Oculus quest VR headset's got a four K l 310 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: ed screens, it has masturbation accessories. These are pods for 311 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: masturbation They have been called wink pods by India Times 312 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and by the Daily Star. This is this big company. 313 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: It's offices in Cyprus where this program got rolled out 314 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: as over two employees. And we'll get to a little 315 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: bit of math here and four high tech masturbation pods 316 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: and masturbation accessories are pretty much what you what you 317 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: might imagine. So the company says it wants to provide 318 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: current employees with a safe, comfortable space to quote rub 319 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: one out. And it also thinks this will help it 320 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: attract new employees. And nless you think that we are 321 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: making this up out a whole cloth. You can again 322 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: read several news articles about this. It just got lost 323 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: in the news cycle. They're also thinking that they're going 324 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: to bring this capability to your company. Perhaps they've got 325 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: an open call out to other companies in the world. 326 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: They say, we will lease these pods to your workers 327 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: the low low price of thirty seven thousand, five hundred 328 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: pounds about fifty grand for six months, and you'll get 329 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: a v I P subscription to whatever it is strip 330 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: chat does, which it seems like that would my phone, 331 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: but I don't want it on the work computer. Yeah, 332 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: it's my phone. A little nervous. Maybe put it on 333 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: the burner. Yeah, so I'll tell you it says. It says, uh, 334 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: we are creating a better experience for eighteen plus live entertainment. 335 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: Join our open minded community and start interacting now for free. Okay, 336 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: all right, so it is live. It's it's some kind 337 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: of sexually explicit live interactive experience. Right. So people are 338 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: probably like, you know, doing adult shows, live shows or something, 339 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: probably some salacious chat. Definitely not one for the kiddos. 340 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: But I wanted to bring this to you all because 341 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to hear opinions. It sounds 342 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: like they're serious. They're actually doing it, so it's not 343 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: just a PR stunt. But would you be comfortable doing that? 344 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: Would you be? Uh, oh, yeah, we should say this. 345 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: They are giving. Um. The idea is that davery normal 346 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: work hours, any employee can take a thirty minute break 347 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: and go on the pods. Should the spirit so move them. 348 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: And it's not like a lunch break. I think it's 349 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: it's a different break. Well yeah, and and this is 350 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: actually my mind has just gone here. So if you're 351 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: working at a company that is producing what appears to 352 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: be again I'm sorry, I haven't looked, but it appears 353 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: to be video audio that is sexually explicit, adulting content. 354 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: You are either producing that or you're working on the 355 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: website that includes that kind of content. Um. I can 356 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: only imagine that there's a rousal that occurs while you're 357 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: at the workplace. I love how clinically I'm talking about 358 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: this is so so exciting for everybody doing we're doing. 359 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: But I'm assuming that that is a natural thing that 360 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: occurs in the workplace there at strip Chat. And I 361 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: wonder if I don't know, I just wonder if it's 362 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: a thing that was maybe brought up in the past 363 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: with employees, like with HR. Maybe I mean somebody I'm 364 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: imagining I went to HR and said, you know, this 365 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: is difficult to do my job in this state. Um, 366 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I do not want to drive home, but I need to. 367 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: I need to take care of something. Yeah, did you 368 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: maybe invent a pod that would cost around a hundred 369 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year that I could just go into 370 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: over in the corner. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. 371 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: There is this idea that you could have. Um, okay, well, 372 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: there are a couple of things, right, I agree with you, 373 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: I can understand this, and you make an excellent point 374 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: that this is a company that already lives in the 375 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: world of sexual interaction. Right. I'm being clinical as well, 376 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: so it would be safe to assume that the employees 377 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: are probably like a little more comfortable or open about 378 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: things that might be considered taboo in a lot of 379 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: other workplaces. We could also say that, again I'm trying 380 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: to be clinical, but not to a cartoonist degree. We 381 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: could say that um masturbation does have or orgasm specifically, 382 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: do have like calming effects on people. It tends to 383 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: make folks a little, you know, a little less agro 384 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: perhaps if they're very um stressed. I don't know what 385 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: the I don't know what the work culture of strip 386 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: chat is like. I don't know if there's you know, 387 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: if it's like a high intensity Wolf of Wall Street 388 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of vibe, or if it's more, you know, like 389 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: an I based kind of thing. We have to keep 390 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: an eye on the servers, right, and we're worried about 391 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: platforms and various technical details. But if you get past 392 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: the taboo part, the thing that I would be interested 393 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: to know more about, and I haven't found this yet, 394 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: is we said there would be a little bit of math. 395 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: So in this place in Cyprus, this office has two 396 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: other employees. They have four of these pods. If people 397 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: have their assigned pod, then that's fifty employees per pod. 398 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: And if you've ever been to a porta John at 399 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: a concert, you can see how this can lead to 400 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: problems concerns about hygiene, you know what I mean? Like 401 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: what happened? What did the janitorial staff say when they 402 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: heard about this? Did they resign? Were they like the 403 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: only people against it, you know? Or were they for 404 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: it too? Like how do you what do you do 405 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: if there's a line? You know what I mean? It's 406 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: a tech company, so they probably have like an online 407 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: scheduling system or something. But I was gonna say, can 408 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: you get DIBs? Like you gets? What is hr think? 409 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: Is this being sanitized? People? It has to be surely right? 410 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: What is the soundproofing like in there? I would imagine 411 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: it's hope somebody, because then it's distracting from other employees. 412 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's at least partially a 413 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: PR stunt. And then you have to ask yourself to 414 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you get past all the jokes and 415 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: this is like such such a great thing for last 416 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: week Tonight to talk about or the the Late Show 417 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: or Saturday Night Live or whomever. Once you capacity these things, um, yeah, 418 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: you kind of have to ask yourself another thing. I 419 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: was wondering, Matt Doc, what kind of employee considers this 420 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: like the thing that swings the needle. They've got two 421 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: jobs and they've been accepted. Now they just have to 422 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: they've got an offer. Now they just have to decide 423 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: which job they want to go to. And you know, 424 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: not to yuck anybody's yul but do you think there 425 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: is anybody who said, well, now that I know about 426 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: the pods, I'm going with this company. Yeah. I mean 427 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: you have to imagine in a scenario like this, they're 428 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, a small percentage of people who immediately, 429 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, like, Okay, there's a thing I can do, 430 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use them. We're gonna take advantage of this 431 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: thing that is provided by the company. I would I 432 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: would say there's gonna be a lot more people who 433 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: don't ever take advantage of it. Um and then some 434 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: people I think we'll try and get a job there 435 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: like because of this, because this perk is offered, I 436 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's I don't know. I don't know, man, 437 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe God, I don't know. I don't even know what 438 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: to say. Man. I feel like, yeah, some people, it 439 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: could be a sticky subject for a lot of people. 440 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a hard thing to you know, handle, right, right. 441 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: So so this is uh, this is also not the 442 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: first attempt to it's kind. It's just the more more 443 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: high tech, uh, there is. Like to introduce you to 444 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: a person named Erica Lust. Erica Lust is the boss 445 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: of an adult entertainment company called Erica Lust Films, and 446 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, she found that a lot a lot 447 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: of her thirty six employees were becoming, according to her, 448 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: agitated during lockdown's very difficult time for people. So she 449 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: wanted to normalize the concept of masturbation by telling her 450 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: thirty six employees, Look, every day, you can take a 451 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: half hour for self pleasure and I'll even set up 452 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: a private masturbation station here at the office of Verica 453 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Lust Films. And this happened last year, so apparently they 454 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: still got it. I don't think this is on the 455 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: same level as say, a you know, something that would 456 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: be considered more of a right, like a private reast 457 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: being room for a new mother or something. In that case, 458 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: people often still want a private area to do that. 459 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: But there's not anything taboo about it, or there shouldn't be. 460 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: It's just trying to help your employees with the work 461 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: life balance. You could make the argument that this is 462 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: sort of the same thing, but it just seems like 463 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: a mine field for hr, doesn't it, even if it's 464 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: a good faith effort. I don't know if this is 465 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: the best way to get people back to the office. Yeah. 466 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: I can't talk about it with being juvenile, but you're right, 467 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: it is. It feels like it feels like the kind 468 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: of thing that eventually it will be so normalized. I mean, 469 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: reality is closer and closer to idiocracy every day, and 470 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: it feels like one of those chairs, you know, that 471 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of chair. It feels like that, and it's just 472 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: going to be regular and now or whatever. That's what's 473 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: happening now. Yeah, And you know, we also have to 474 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: point out that there is a cultural framework that comes 475 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: along with this. The US in particular as some pretty 476 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: puritanical roots when it comes to all things associated with 477 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: sexual pleasure and even with just biological reproduction. So maybe 478 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: folks in the US aren't the best to judge this, 479 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: but we thought this was this was a a fun story. 480 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: It does sound like a good faith effort. Um, we 481 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: hope everybody at the company is doing well. Pandemic has 482 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: been hard on a lot of folks, and um, maybe 483 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: we leave it at that, Maybe we go back to 484 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: a more a more serious story. I had a list 485 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: of workplace masturbation puns, but we will we will save that. 486 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: I'll save that for someone who asked me on Twitter 487 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: or Instagram, and I'll just send those along. And with that, 488 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: we'll take a break, not that kind of break. No, no, no, no, 489 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: not the realists can break for an ad from our 490 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: sponsors and we'll be back. We'll be back with much 491 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: more serious, strange news. All right, we're back. Before we 492 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: move on, I'm just laughing because we stopped for a 493 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: second on the break, and I hope everyone had a 494 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: great one, no matter what you did. And uh, we 495 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit more about the sanitation sanitization 496 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: I should say issue. I mean two people for booths, 497 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: it's fifty per Uh. Yeah, they've got to be sanitizing, right, 498 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: they have to and are they bringing on staff specifically 499 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: to sanitize them or is that just falling to the 500 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: janitor who's like, Man, I didn't sign up for this 501 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: when I started this job. I know every every station 502 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: comes with a guy named Greg, and Greg doesn't mind. 503 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: That's part of his job. That's the thing, you know, 504 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: It's like and then at three thirty it's I turned 505 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: into booth. But that that's the thing, man, Like, Fine, 506 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: if Greget is comfortable with it, fine, But if it's 507 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: like Greg's thing, then that's also concerning. Ideally, you just 508 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: want an automated cleaning system, right, like a little decontamination. 509 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: We gotta let this go. We have more important things 510 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: to talk about, but we're really interested to hear your 511 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: take on the hygiene of this. All right, and now 512 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: onto something completely different, the best. Yeah, we had a 513 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: discussion before this episode started, and I want to say, 514 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: I think we should have put this story uh in 515 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: between as the sandwich and let the previous one go 516 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: at the end as a nice finish wink. Okay, So 517 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: but here we go. All right, Oh, this is serious stuff. Okay, 518 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: We're traveling to Los Angeles County where someone we know 519 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: and we're close with is right now? I think, um, 520 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: we're going to read you the headline of something coming 521 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: out of the l A Times from March quote los 522 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: Angeles County panel launches investigation into Sheriff's department quote deputy gangs. Okay, 523 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: now that may sound a little familiar. There was quite 524 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: a bit of reporting coming out last year on this topic, 525 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: and this news is not concerning the gangs themselves necessarily. 526 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: It is just the investigation into deputy gangs that exist 527 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's apartment. There is a group, 528 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: it's a civilian commission, and that is charged with overseeing 529 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: or having some kind of oversight on the Sheriff's department 530 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: as well as other aspects of life in Los Angeles County. 531 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: You can find their website. It's called the County of 532 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Sheriff Civilian Oversight Commission. And they're simply announcing 533 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: that they are they're forming an official investigation into these gangs, 534 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: these groups that were once called clicks, at least officially 535 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: within um Los Angeles County statutes and law, and it's 536 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: really really troubling stuff. We can go through just some 537 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: of this Los Angeles Times article, Ben and just talk 538 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: about a bit of what's going on there. But there 539 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: is a deep dive going on here, especially in the 540 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: investigation that was done for knock l A by Charisse Castle, 541 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: Liam Fitzpatrick, Maggie Clancy, Brittany Nichols, Ricky de la Vega, 542 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: and John often Pelts. Uh huge investigation. I think there 543 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: are fifteen or something major articles associated with that investigation 544 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: that we're I mean, it's going to require us to 545 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: do some serious reading to get to the bottom of 546 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: this topic. But when it comes to that Los Angeles 547 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: Times article, this is the stuff you need to know. 548 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: And the reason why this is such a deep dive 549 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: is because this is an ongoing problem for decades and 550 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: it's been looked into by various people for a long time, 551 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: but not with the depth that knock l A's investigation pursued. 552 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: So let's go back to twenty nineteen. There was a 553 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: lawsuit filed by several deputies that this group gang click 554 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, called the Bandidos repeatedly 555 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: quote at least Cornel A Times denied them back up 556 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: on dangerous calls. That's a big deal, right, So deputy 557 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: is saying that individuals within the Sheriff's department that identified 558 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: as Bendido's wouldn't back them up when they needed it. 559 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: They also quote pressured them to quit or leave the station, 560 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: and sent hostile messages on work computers. It also alleges 561 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: that this group, the Bandidos, secretly removed ammunition from another 562 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: deputy's shotgun. If you can imagine if you're going on 563 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: duty as an officer and you have a shotgun that 564 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: you believe is loaded and you need to use in 565 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: an emergency situation and it doesn't have ammo in it, 566 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: that could be a major problem. There's stuff happening in 567 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: September where that same group, the Bandidos, was involved in 568 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: a couple of incidents. You could read a lot of 569 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: this in the l A Times article. One of the 570 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: major things I need to tell you is that the 571 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: RAND Corporation, remember them in corporation, They commissioned or they 572 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: were commissioned to do a study by Los Angeles County, 573 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: and this is a survey. It found that sixteen percent, 574 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: only sixteen one six percent of the one thousand, six 575 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: d and eight deputies and supervisors people like took the 576 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: survey and answered had been invited to join one of 577 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: these groups, one of these clicks or gangs, and some 578 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: of the invitations came in the last five years. More 579 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: than a third of respondents said the groups should be prohibited. 580 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: Oh and just to just to give you a sense 581 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: of the names of the groups, folks, I mentioned the 582 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: band Didos there are they are by far not the 583 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: only players in the game. Bandidos, or the East l 584 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: A Station Reapers, or at the South l A Station 585 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Century Station as the Spartans, Compton Station as the Executioners. 586 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: And then there are other There are eight other The 587 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: report calls them subgroups instead of gangs. They try to 588 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: avoid the g word as though that changes things. Those 589 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: other groups would be things like the jump Out Boys, 590 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: the Regulators, or the cave Men. So you can see 591 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: there's definitely like gang like culture here. Yes, because not 592 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: only are there issues between deputy interactions when a gang 593 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: member and not gang member interacting, like choosing not to 594 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: go out on a backup call, there are serious violence 595 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: allegations against a lot of the individual members and members 596 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: working together of all of the clicks you just mentioned there. 597 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm just using those terms interchangeably at this point. Um 598 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: but like serious serious stuff, violence, death, cover up. All 599 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: these things are alleged against these groups, and it's something 600 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: that has been looked at for quite a while and 601 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: many many individuals and groups have been attempting to do 602 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: something about it, and it hasn't been working. So the 603 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles Office of Inspector General, this is 604 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: an office, but also an individual named Max Huntsman sent 605 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: a letter on March twenty one of this year directly 606 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: to Sheriff Alex Villanueva, who is the the Sheriff of 607 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: Los Angeles County, and just stated, I mean, you can 608 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: read the whole thing right now. I found this on 609 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: an np our article and you can look at it. 610 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: To the article from NPR is titled Alleged gangs in 611 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: the l A Sheriff's Department to be investigated by Oversight Panel. 612 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: You can actually read this whole statement, this whole letter 613 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: that was written by the Office of Inspector General. And 614 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: I want to read you the Penal Code section that 615 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: it references. It says, quote California Penal Code Section one 616 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: three seven zero requires that law enforcement agencies maintain a 617 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: policy prohibiting participation in quote law enforcement gangs, including groups 618 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: that violate federal or state anti discrimination laws. The statue 619 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: also requires law enforcement agencies to cooperate and inspector general 620 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: investigations into the existence of such gangs. And what's alleged 621 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: here is that the sheriff has not been assisting in 622 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: identifying the gangs and rooting them out, as then they're 623 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: protected in some way, so there's there would be corruption then, 624 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: and then you could you could imagine that from leadership's perspective, 625 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: the problem may have metastasized like a cancer, which it 626 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: is such that removing it would gut various stations or departments, 627 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: because it's it's like a known thing. And these folks 628 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: have tattoos as well, they have gang tattoos. They have 629 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: initiation right, so believe the bandidos UH sometimes have required 630 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: perspective members to UH do what's called the use of force, 631 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: like unnecessary force against an inmate, sending them to the hospital, 632 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: sometimes breaking their orbital bone. And then after that they 633 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: get the they get the ink, which is a skeleton 634 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: in a sombrero holding a revolver, so that like you're 635 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: beating people in there are the rights of passage. UH, 636 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: you are aggressive toward people who are your co workers 637 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: but aren't members of Bendito's. Like this does have a 638 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: ton of parallels with gang structure, you know, like Atlanta 639 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: has gangs, know about those as well. Gangs are across 640 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: the world, and you would be surprised often by how 641 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: similar some of the rights of progression and some of 642 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: the activities are. And you know there there are people 643 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: listening now who are in law enforcement and know about 644 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: the problem of infiltration. It's often talked about as the 645 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: problem of you know, like neo Nazi or white supremacist infiltration, 646 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: which was historically huge problem in the US. But then 647 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: there are other people on the other side of the 648 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: argument who would simply say, guys, law enforcement is a 649 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: gang already, so is the sheriff. Then, from that perspective 650 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: the best person to clean out this, to root out 651 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: the stable here. I don't know it's a serious question, 652 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: though it is. To me it feels a lot like 653 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: the Atlanta group Red Dogs that we've spoken about before 654 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: here on this show their root all drug dealers out 655 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: of Georgia. Is that right? I think that's right. It's 656 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: a group that was an insular group within the Atlanta 657 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: police department that was tasked with fighting drug crime, and 658 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: it became something else. You can read about this right now. 659 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: It became a group that exercised excessive force on many 660 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: citizens and you know, civilians, people who were possibly involved 661 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: in drug activities and others who were definitely not um 662 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: and it just a it's a real issue when if 663 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: you imagine the individual officer on the ground interacting with 664 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: with a civilian, are their loyalties too, you know, they're 665 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: superior and whatever, you know, rules and regulations uh govern 666 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: that activity that they're doing, whether on the ground or 667 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: is it too you know, somebody who's leading the gang 668 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: and what that person wants, where loyalties lie m and 669 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: it becomes a real issue. Well, we also know Red 670 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: Dog was such a problem, they had such poor oversight 671 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: that they were disbanded in twenty eleven, I think under 672 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: the auspice of Amercacie Read at the time, who himself 673 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: is no uh no squeaky clean guy, nor nor particularly 674 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: stranger to corruption. But but yeah, I think it's excellently 675 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: bring up that example because there is a real problem 676 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: and this happens. This happens in militaries too, you know, 677 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: in Vietnam, there were outfits that went so far off 678 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: off the path or off whatever their mission or the 679 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: remit was, that you could say they were simply operating 680 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 1: as a rogue unit. Uh. Not quite hard of, not 681 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: quite hard of darkness Apocalypse Now style all the way, 682 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: but in some cases distressingly similar. Um. And unfortunately, there 683 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: are some veterans of foreign wars in the audience today 684 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: who know you know what I'm talking about. So this 685 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: is this is just a problem. It is, and I 686 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: think we need to look into a deeper We should 687 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: probably do a full episode on this entire thing. Get 688 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: the details, get it right. UM. I want to leave 689 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: you with a statement from Shawn Kennedy, who is the 690 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: commission chair of that oversight committee that's actually going to 691 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: be doing the investigation. It's also a Loyal law school. 692 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: Center for Juvenile Law and Policy Executive director Sean Kennedy states, 693 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: deputy gangs have fostered and promoted excessive force against citizens, 694 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: discriminated against other deputies based on race and gender, and 695 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: undermine the chain of command and discipline. Years of documented 696 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: history of this issue, the department has failed to eliminate 697 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: the gangs, unquote, and that is specifically talking about the 698 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: Sheriff's department. I think we're all in agreement. This needs 699 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: to be a full episode. We'd love your help as 700 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: the best part of the show. Fellow conspiracy realist, give 701 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: us your take. Do you agree that this is a problem. 702 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: Have you had any experience with any of these groups 703 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: that have infiltrated Los Angeles law enforcement? Uh? Do you 704 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: have recommendations for ways to approach this problem, especially given 705 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: the concerns folks are raising about the sheriff maybe not 706 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: having not being the best person to run point and 707 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: clearing out the corruption here before anybody finishes the email, 708 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: do you want to point out Matt just just for 709 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: my part, I don't think masturbation pods will fix this one. Well, 710 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 1: I agree. Well, well, well we'll end it there. Maybe. 711 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: Uh let us know your audist takes on this. We 712 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear from you. Try to be easy 713 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: to find online. What do you mean by online, Ben, 714 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: You might be asking, Well, you can go to Here's 715 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy on our Facebook page. Thanks to 716 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: the person wrote in and said something like, shout out 717 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: to Ben Bullen. You put the Ben in ben Zen. 718 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to take that, but I'm gonna 719 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: take it as a compliment. Thank you, sir. We also 720 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: we also have a YouTube page where you can see 721 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: excerpts of our podcast and some more new stuff coming soon. 722 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: We have an Instagram conspiracy stuff show. We can't wait 723 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: for you to check out our um Let's see that 724 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: Honda Odyssey has parked outside of my house every time 725 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: we record. Now Matt to make sure that we mentioned 726 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: pre ordering the book so that we don't get fired. 727 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: They at least gave me a Kia. There's a keya 728 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: out there, but I don't even know what. I think 729 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: it's a sportage. It's a little more. Yeah, you probably don't. 730 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: You probably have somebody's not an intern from the n 731 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: es A on this one too well. Shout out to 732 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: Illumination Global Unlimited. You can find out where to get 733 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: the stuff they want you to notebook coming out in October. 734 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: We would love I love your support there. We also 735 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: had a lovely time. I want to shout out Mr 736 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick on this one. We had a lovely time 737 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: listening back to some old Illumination Global Unlimited commercials and 738 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: we're going to do more of those in the future 739 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: because they were just so weird, so much fun. Well, 740 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: I gu is looking to really secure some more social space, 741 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, within our brand. So hopefully we'll be bringing 742 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: those to you again in in some new kind of 743 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: way and and you'll like it, and if you could 744 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: support it, that'd be great because again I'm pretty sure 745 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: eye you has something to do with the key of sportage, 746 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: but I am not positive. Yeah, you know, we shouldn't 747 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: have ever signed up on that contract, or at least 748 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have used our own blood. So we're in it, uh, 749 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: just like we're in it. We're on it, just like 750 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: people are with the Internet. But if you have listened 751 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: to our episodes on Big Data, if you've listened to 752 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: our episodes on Cambridge Analytic and stuff like that, and 753 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: you just don't feel comfortable sipping the social needs, we 754 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: of all shows out there, absolutely get it. That's why 755 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,959 Speaker 1: we have another way for you to contact us. It's 756 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: our good old fashioned telephonic number. That's right, pick up 757 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: that phone and dial these numbers, which are letters, but 758 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: if there are also numbers in your phone, it'll show 759 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: you how to do it. It's one eight three three 760 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: st d W y t K when you call in 761 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,240 Speaker 1: it is a voicemail inbox. You will hear Ben's voice 762 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: and he will beckon you to leave a mess age. Please. 763 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: When you do, give yourself a cool nickname. Then you've 764 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: got three minutes say whatever you want. Towards the end 765 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: of that message. I don't mean to tell you how 766 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: to do it. I'm giving you an example. Towards the 767 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: end of that message. Please give us permission, if you 768 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,760 Speaker 1: choose to give it to us, to use your voice 769 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: and message on one of our listener Maile episodes. If not, 770 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: just say hey, please don't use my voice. That's totally fine, 771 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: we get it. It's cool. We still want to hear 772 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: from you. Seriously, Come on, and if talking on the 773 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: phone isn't your favorite thing to do, and you've got 774 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: way more to say than can fit in three minutes, 775 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: why not instead send us a good old fashioned email. 776 00:50:38,040 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at i heart radio dot com. Stuff 777 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know is a production of 778 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. 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