1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom, the 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: so called trail Mom, Rachel Moron's killer, responsible for bludgeoning 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: her dad and raping her, leaving her naked body lying 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: out on a public trail, and the last hours busted 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: and tulsa good evening. I mean, see, Grace, this is 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: When I woke up, it felt like. 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: It felt like a shadow. It also felt like like 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: profound like sadness, emptiness, like I just knew that there 10 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: was something that. 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: I think it's just mother's intuition. 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 3: there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: it was. 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Just over three weeks ago, on May twentieth, on what 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: should have been Rachel's thirty eighth birthday, and then a 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: poetic coincidence or perhaps in Rachel's own divine assistance, are 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 2: investigators uncovered a lead that led us to this day. 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: And on this day, I'm here to tell you Rachel's 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: murder is no longer a free man. Hopefully he will 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: never have the opportunity to walk free again. 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: You were just hearing Rachel's mother telling me the anguish 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: that she has been through and describing the moment that 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: she learned her daughter, a mother of five, the so 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 1: called trail mom, beautiful woman, mother of five found bludgeon dead, 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: left naked and bloody on a trail. And then we 27 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: hear in the last hours Sheriff of Harford County, Jeff Galler, 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: speaking out in what and arrest it was busted? Who 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: is he? This guy is a non citizen migrant some 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: people would call an illegal alien, a non citizen migrant 31 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: on the run from a murtyr charge in El Salvador. 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: And let me just remind everybody that he has suspected 33 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: in the rape of a girl in La What was 34 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back for Victor Antonio 35 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Martinez her Nandez. Listen. 36 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: The lead we received was related to DNA evidence and 37 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: allowed investigators to finally put a name to the image 38 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: of the suspect in the video from Los Angeles, which 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: we released two weeks after Rachel's death. After we had 40 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: the video, we knew what he looked like. After we 41 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: had we knew he looked like, but we did know 42 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: who he was. With the new DNA evidence, now we 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: know who he is, but we still didn't know where 44 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: he was, and. 45 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: They tracked him. They tracked this guy all around the world, 46 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: because you remember, Rachel mourn Is found brutally, brutally murdered 47 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: and very interestingly, her face totally destroyed, half of her face, 48 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: just beaten in. Of course, I'm just a trial lawyer, 49 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink, but I know that means something 50 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: psychologically that this beautiful woman, this mom of FIV, is brutalized, 51 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: her face destroyed. We now know this is the same guy, 52 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: according to DNA evidence, that killed a woman in El 53 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Salvador and attacked a young girl in La Oh. This 54 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: guy was tracked like hounds from hell. Listen. 55 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: Over the past two weeks, investigators continued their diligit investigation 56 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: and track our suspect all the way from Prince George's 57 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: County to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our investigators also obtained an arresta 58 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: warrant yesterday afternoon, and as the arrest warrant was being issued, 59 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: we met with Rachel's family, many of whom are with 60 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: us today, to update them on the case and ask 61 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: them and almost asked of them an almost impossible request, 62 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: and that was to keep the information about the identity 63 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: and the arrest warrant to themselves and protected to allow 64 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: investigatators the opportunity to try to apprehend this suspect before 65 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: it was made public in the news, so that our 66 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: suspect did not have the opportunity to learn that he 67 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 2: was wanted and to once again flee. 68 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just living his best life, going about 69 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: his business. So from what I understand, the sheriff goes 70 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: to the family Rachel Smant tells them, we think we've 71 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: got them, but you got to keep it a secret, 72 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: and then out they go because to continue tracking this guy. 73 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: They think they've got a line on him. Who is 74 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: this guy, this non citizen migrant with a murder charge 75 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: out of El Salvador. 76 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: Listen, Five hours after meeting with the family, and just 77 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: before midnight, our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by 78 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: our federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio 79 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: Martinez Hernandez. So far, we have learned that the suspect 80 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: now pictured on the screens is a twenty three year 81 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border 82 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: into the United States in February of twenty twenty three. 83 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Okay, why did he leave El Salvador. There's so much 84 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: to figure out. Joining me an all star panel to 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But as 86 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: we speak, I want to keep our mind and our 87 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: heart on Rachel Morin. We have been working this case, 88 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: investigating this case. We know a lot about this guy, 89 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: but we just couldn't get our hands on him. Joining me. 90 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter for crimeonline dot Com, Alexis Terreschuk. This guy 91 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a non citizen migrant, some say illegal aliens on the 92 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: run from El Salvador. 93 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: Explain, so, Nancy, this twenty three year old man is 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: here illegally, which the police officer said from El Salvador. 95 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: He has been accused of murder in Al Salvador. He 96 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: apparently killed another young woman and then fled his country, 97 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 4: came to the United States and went on a cross 98 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: country crime spree. 99 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chris mcdonna, director 100 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: at the Cold Case Foundation, now former homicide detective with 101 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: over three hundred homicide inquiries under his belt, star of 102 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: the interview room. That's where I found him during the 103 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Coburger investigation, Chris mcdonna, I actually have chills on my 104 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: whole body. So number one, let's just put it out there. 105 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Bam. 106 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: Now can we talk reality. This guy has a murder 107 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: charge of a young woman, don't know her age yet 108 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: in El Salvador, late late, late last night. I got 109 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: word from a bounty hunter about the facts surrounding that case, 110 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: but I don't know for sure yet, so I'll keep 111 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: that under my hat until I know for sure those facts. 112 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: A woman dead in El Salvador chalked up to him. 113 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: He goes on the run. Then he goes to La 114 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: and sex assaults a nine year old little girl there 115 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: he is Victor Antonio Martinez here Nandez. There he goes, 116 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: doesn't even bother, and he doesn't run. He walks out 117 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: and inside he's left behind a wake of pain that 118 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: will never ever be repaired. There's no telling, Chris mcdonna, 119 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: how many other victims this guy has. Okay, your turn 120 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: hit it. 121 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 5: We know for sure now that in El Salvador he 122 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 5: had a case and that inter Pol had a what 123 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: they call a red notice on him. And what that 124 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 5: is is it's a worldwide alert kind of like a 125 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 5: BOL for this individual if they had in the system. 126 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: Did you say bol Are you talking about a bolo? 127 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 5: Be on the lookout, yes, ma'am, like be on the lookout. 128 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 5: And what it is. It's not an international arrest warrant. 129 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: It's basically to notify all countries that participate in inter 130 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 5: POL that this is one dangerous dude. And LAPD gets 131 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 5: that hit on the DNA, they match your name to it, 132 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 5: they get this red notice and boom, they're off to 133 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 5: the races and they're on the hunt for this guy. 134 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: You know, Chris mcdona and everybody on the path please 135 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: jump in. A lot's happening. We're getting information fast and furious. 136 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: According to detectives, this guy her Nandez was waiting lying 137 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: in wait there at the mon Pau Trail near bel Air, Maryland, 138 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: waiting for a victim. You know what that tells me 139 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: to Karen Start, renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. 140 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: You can find her online Karenstart dot com, Karen. 141 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 6: With a C. 142 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: If you're looking for her, Karen. That tells me, as 143 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: we discussed when this first happened, this is not his 144 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: first attack. Now we know that now because of DNA. 145 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is that I think 146 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: there's going to be other attacks. I would be looking 147 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: in Tulsa. I would be looking everywhere in between La 148 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: bel Air, Maryland and Tulsa, because a guy, a predator 149 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: like this non citizen migrant from El Salvador, a guy 150 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: that knows how to lie in wait. And remember we 151 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: learned Karen Stark that at the time Rachel was attacked 152 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: and murder in her whole face, beaten in bludgeon them. 153 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: There was a lot of foliage and you would be 154 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: going down the mon patrail and then it would turn, 155 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: and he was knew that and was hiding in the 156 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: foliage just around the turn, waiting for a woman, any 157 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: woman probably to come around that bend. He wasn't worried 158 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: about robbing them. He was there to rape and kill. 159 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 7: He was Nancy And this was very carefully planned if 160 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 7: you think about it. He left Alsavador and could have 161 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 7: just started again and maybe he wouldn't. 162 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Have been caught. 163 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 7: But he can't stop. He gets pleasure. It derives pleasure 164 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 7: from doing this. It was planned. Although he's pretty indiscriminate 165 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 7: because he does a child her mother. This person in 166 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 7: Al Salvador is a young woman and then Rachel so 167 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 7: all ages and he doesn't care as long as he's 168 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 7: able to rape and kill. And it's very fortunate that 169 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 7: the nine year old to the family king and he 170 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 7: wasn't able to kill her. I have no doubt he 171 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 7: would have because that's where he gets his pleasure. And 172 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 7: by the way, smashed the face in because he doesn't 173 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 7: want her to see him. 174 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: Symbolically, a non citizen migrant who has just been busted 175 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: in the murder and rape of a gorgeous young mother 176 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: of five. Victor Antonio Martinez her Nandez, a non citizen 177 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: migrant running from a murder charging El Salvador. How the 178 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: hey did he get here and why is he here? 179 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: He has gone unapprehended after attacking a nine year old 180 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: girl and her mother in La But guess what he 181 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: left a hat behind. That hat was a hare that 182 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: hairs Mitochondrial DNA matches up to DNA taken from the 183 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Rachel Morin rape and murder scene. In the last hours, 184 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: a huge breakthrough, huge breakthrough and the murder of a 185 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,239 Speaker 1: marilynd mom Rachel morn As cops finally arrest an illegal 186 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: migrant seen in eerie doorbell camera footage, ten months after 187 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: Rachel's body was found naked and beaten on a remote 188 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: hiking trail. At the time, we analyzed the evidence and 189 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: we believed he had attacked and even killed before we 190 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: were right. 191 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 2: Listen, we all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his 192 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: first victim. And it's my understanding that this suspect, this monster, 193 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: fled to the United States illegally after committing the brutal 194 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: murder of a young woman in El Salvador a month 195 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: early in January of twenty twenty three. Once in our country, 196 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 2: and likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked a 197 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: nine year old girl and her mother during a home 198 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: invasion in March of twenty twenty three in Los Angeles. 199 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better 200 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: life for himself or for his family. He came here 201 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: to escape the crime he committed in El Salvador. He 202 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: came here and murdered Rachel and god willing no one else, 203 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: but that should have never been allowed to happen. 204 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: Everybody just joining us in the last hours, a huge 205 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: breakthrough in the search for the killer of a Marylynd mom, 206 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: betrail mom, Rachel morn, the mother of five, holding it together, working, 207 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: making her way through life, just an awesome human being. 208 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: She finally found love again, her boyfriend fiance devastated and 209 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: of course, as usual, all eyes were on the boyfriend 210 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: at first. Statistically they did it after hearing him speak 211 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: and watching his mannerisms. I fully believed he was not involved. 212 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: And guess what, he's not. A non citizen migrant is 213 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: now under arrest. And when you hear how this guy 214 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: was tracked down all over the world, it's amazing. As 215 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: you just heard LA law enforcement speaking, he did not 216 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: come here for a better life. He came here to 217 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: escape a murder charge in El Salvador. What happened did 218 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: that day? Listen? 219 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 8: There was a bend in the trail that most likely 220 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 8: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the 221 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 8: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage 222 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 8: culvert where she ultimately lost her life. 223 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 9: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That 224 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 9: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it 225 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 9: was ran through National Code System Data Evidences. I mean 226 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 9: this DNA evidence has come back as a match tied 227 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 9: to a home invasion and assault and an assault of 228 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 9: a young girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, 229 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 9: that suspect has not been positively identified, but he did 230 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 9: leave behind his DNA. 231 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: Okay, well that was then, but this is now. Listen. 232 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 10: Our investigative genetic genealogy team in Baltimore were countless hours 233 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 10: to identify the suspect by using prime scene DNA and 234 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 10: tracing that DNA to potential family members. Investigators even traveled 235 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 10: to El Salvador as part of their efforts to identify 236 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 10: this killer find the suspect provided technical assistance helping to 237 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 10: pinpoint his location. And that brings us to last night, 238 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 10: where Tulsa police and FBI agents were able to successfully 239 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 10: apprehend and arrest the suspect in Oklahoma. 240 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Joining right now high profile defense attorney Matthew Mangino, former 241 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: prosecutor and author of the Executioner's Toll, Crimes, Arrest Trials, Appeals, 242 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: Last Meals, Final Words of executed people, forty six of 243 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: them in the US. Matthew Mangino, why is it that 244 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: all I hear all day long is wine, wine, wine 245 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: about police? They didn't do this. They didn't do that. 246 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: They screwed this up. They screwed that up. Its constant. 247 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: But here you have LA law enforcement literally tracking this 248 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: guy all the way to El Salvador and then to 249 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: LA and finally nailing him in Tulsa. Can they get 250 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit of credit for once? 251 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 11: Well? 252 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 5: No, this is. 253 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: Truly great police work to be able to connect these 254 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 6: dots and make an arrest in this case and be 255 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 6: able to match. 256 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: Did you just say connect the dots like one of 257 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: those children's games, you know, like you give them that 258 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: sheet to play with at the restaurant with a pack 259 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: of crayons, and you connect the dots. Connect the dots. 260 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: My rear end, this is that breaking work between Maryland, 261 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: bel Air, Maryland, La, Tulsa, El Salvador. I mean, there's 262 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: a red notice on this guy. Ice had to be involved. 263 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: This was a huge, huge and complex undertaking, right. 264 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 6: And I'm sure they had somewhere on a wall these 265 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: little pins connecting the dots as they went along putting 266 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 6: this case together. And unfortunately, I don't think this is 267 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 6: the end of this case. So you have a guy 268 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 6: who's been here since February of twenty twenty three. He's 269 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 6: crossed the country from Los Angeles to Maryland now you know, 270 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 6: found in Tulsa. He's come a lot of ground, and unfortunately, 271 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 6: I think we're going to find that he has uh 272 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: you know, created havoc and uh probably is the murdered 273 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 6: others or raped others. I mean, this is a very 274 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 6: dangerous person that is on the move. And when you're 275 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 6: on the move like that, the reason you do it 276 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 6: is because you're looking for other victims. And unfortunately, I 277 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 6: think we're going to find that that's the case here. 278 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, it was amazing to me too, Alexis Tereschuk, 279 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: what cops were doing in the background. All we could 280 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: see was we were looking through a glass darkly. And 281 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: I remember specifically what Rachel's mom told me. Listen. 282 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 12: At one point when things seemed like really bleak and hopeless, 283 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 12: the lead detective said to me, he said, patients will 284 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 12: win in the end. And that's what they've been doing. 285 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 12: They've been diligently, working very hard, and they've been patiently 286 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 12: working through all of the leads, and it's because of 287 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 12: that that we have my rest today. So I'm very 288 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 12: thankful and just very grateful. 289 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: That's Rachel's mom speaking and Alexis remember when we talked 290 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: to her and she was just so distraught, but she 291 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: never lost faith in law enforcement. So they must have 292 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: been telling her along what was happening. And they go 293 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: to her five hours before the takedown and say, we're 294 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: telling you we're going to try to do this thing. 295 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: We think we know where he is. Just hole tight. 296 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: That mother has been through hell, Alexis. 297 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: And you know, the thing was all we had was 298 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 4: the video, So there was the connection to Los Angeles, right. 299 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 4: We had a video of a man coming shirtless out 300 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: of a home and casually walking away, see with carrying 301 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: his shirt, carrying the clothes that he had clearly taken 302 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 4: off when he attacked a nine year old. So that's 303 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 4: all we had. But the police hused he left so 304 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: much DNA with Rachel, which is terrible. It is a 305 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 4: blessing because she helped solve her own crime, but he 306 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 4: knew must be a family connection. And I'm wondering if 307 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: that's what happened in Tulsa as well, because he was caught. 308 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: In a bar. 309 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: The police found him literally sitting in a bar kind 310 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: of I just went up right next to him, maybe 311 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: like hey, can we buy you a drink? 312 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: And then arrested him in a bar in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 313 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: and the bar are probably looking for his next victim 314 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace and very quickly, I'm going 315 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: to go back to Chris mcdonna, director of Cold Case Foundation, 316 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: for more homicide detective. This is how it goes down. Okay, 317 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna. First of all, you look at the victims 318 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: family and loved ones, because that's typically statistically where you're 319 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 1: going to find your killer, husband, boyfriend, ex lover. Then 320 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: you move out grocery delivery, pizza delivery guy, next door neighbor, 321 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: creepy high school teacher. You keep going and going and going. 322 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: You expand that circle. When you exhaust the circle of family, lovers, boyfriends, 323 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: free key connections, then you go to DNA. Now, this 324 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: guy's DNA pops up in a rape and an attack 325 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: in LA, so they know they've got that guy, but 326 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't match anybody in codis the DNA databak, so 327 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: we know his DNA has never been handed over as 328 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: it relates to a felony in this country, and that 329 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: is when you have to bring in the FBI. Okay, 330 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: we had his sketch, there was a possibility he was 331 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: in this country illegally. Then they go to genealogical DNA. 332 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: The FBI International office in l Salvador was used to 333 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: quote bridge the gap with US law enforcement. Now that's 334 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: what we're learning today. What exactly does that mean, FBI 335 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: in El Salvador quote bridged the gap. 336 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. What it means is, so the FBI 337 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 5: makes contact, probably with a direct family member in El Salvador, 338 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 5: they do a buckle slab and immediately they can put 339 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 5: that into the system. They get that CODEUS HIT again. 340 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: There's a system called andy A and DEI, and that's 341 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 5: called it's a rapid DNA process. Once they get that profile. 342 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 5: What was interesting to hear the FBI agent say there 343 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 5: was also technical assistance. What I took away from that 344 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 5: hearing that was they probably may have gotten as a 345 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 5: phone number or something to that effect, and immediately the 346 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 5: CAS scene gets involved, and for all we know at 347 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 5: this point, they may have even trapped his phone and 348 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 5: that's where the other units got involved. But one of 349 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 5: the other things I think we're going to hear here, 350 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 5: Nancy and the sheriff had mentioned it not to get 351 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 5: ahead of you here for a moment, but just in 352 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 5: case it's the HEIDA team that's high impact drug trafficking. 353 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 5: That means this guy was on the radar of Heida 354 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 5: and was he a mule for the cartels and this 355 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 5: is why he's traveling through the country. Heida is very 356 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 5: important to pay attention to in this investigation. Thanks flying well, 357 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 5: because if he's come on to the radar through HAIDA, 358 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 5: that means they may have already had pre incident contact 359 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 5: with this guy on other types of crimes, narcotics investigations, 360 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 5: or something to that effect. The fact that the sheriff 361 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 5: mentioned them the other day as a partner who assisted 362 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 5: in this case a red flag that, Okay, this guy 363 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 5: had been in this country and now that big question 364 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: is what was he doing. Was he running dope? You know? 365 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 5: Was he working for somebody? And maybe this is what 366 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 5: gave him the availability to travel around the United States 367 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: and how we ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 368 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: Outrage. This guy is in the country having murdered allegedly 369 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: one person in El Salvador, then sex assaulted a nine 370 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: year old little girl, attacking the rest of her family 371 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: in La before he murders Rachel Morin. I want to 372 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: go out to a special guest joining us now doctor 373 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terreant, County fort Worth Lecturer 374 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas Christian University. 375 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. We've talked 376 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: a lot about DNA, and we're throwing around the term 377 00:24:54,119 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: deoxaribo niclake acid mitocadrial DNA, but for people that are 378 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: not in law enforcement, I want to explain, and you're 379 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: the best in the world to give this tutorial and 380 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: regular people talk please as if you're speaking to a 381 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: trial warrior like myself that does not have a medical 382 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: degree like you do. How was Rachel Moore's body sound 383 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: and why did her body reveal DNA? And what is 384 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: mitochondrial DNA, which is what I believe they got on 385 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: the scene in LA from a cap. 386 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: So Rachel bought it. 387 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 11: Rachel Morin's body was found nude with her face caved 388 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 11: in from a blunt object, so more unlikely she was 389 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 11: strangled than while she was unconscious she was raped and 390 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 11: then when she regained conscious. Because he didn't finish out 391 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 11: the strangulation. He beat her to death with a rock 392 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 11: or a stick or whatever was nearby. That being said, 393 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 11: the DNA that would be on her body would be 394 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 11: could be from his saliva, could be from his skin, cells, 395 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 11: could be from his hair follicles as well as seamen. 396 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 11: So at autopsy they can collect all these by doing 397 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 11: a sexual assault KIP, by using swabs to swab the orifices, 398 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 11: to swab potential areas on the skin that may have DNA. 399 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: The investigators fear that we're going to stumble across another 400 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: crime that just hasn't been tied back through DNA or 401 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 2: some other science or electronic you know, tie that the 402 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: evidence just hasn't reached the point where we get a hit. 403 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: But right now, what we're familiar with is the crime 404 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, the home invasion in March of twenty 405 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: twenty three, the homicide here of Rachel in August of 406 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and I believe in Tulsa he's facing 407 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: some local charges as well for last night, I think 408 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: treshpashing or disorderly or something something to that effect. 409 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Okay, let's break it down. How do they find this sky? 410 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: How did they find this non citizen migrant. I was 411 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: listening very carefully in taking notes to a news conference 412 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: where an FBI Special Agent in charge of the FBI 413 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: Baltimore's Field Office, Bill Dibagno, he was speaking, and I'm 414 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: going to quote his words that I wrote down. He 415 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: said a quote investigative genetic Genealogy team. Genetic genealogy is 416 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: one of the most advanced types of of DNA discovery 417 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: that is being used. Now. This is what you may recall. 418 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Do you remember Joseph DiAngelo, aka the Golden State Killer, 419 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: big huge breakthrough in the use of genetic genealogy. Di Angelo, 420 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: former cop, I might add, before he got fired that 421 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: was wise, had been raping and murdering women all across 422 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: California and beyond. I'd like to add, I believe he 423 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: was finally tracked through genetic genealogy. What is it You 424 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: get DNA like you have at the scene of Rachel 425 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: Morn's rape and murder, It doesn't match anybody in codis 426 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: what do you do? Nobody has been arrested, nobody has 427 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: given their DNA matches. You put it in genetic genealogy. 428 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: That means you go to a public genealogy site, not 429 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: ancestry what is it ancestry dot com or twenty three 430 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: and me, Yeah, that's a good one. Those are private, 431 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: so you can't bust into those. Cops can't do that. 432 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of public websites, public genealogical DNA 433 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: websites like match ged match. You put it in there, 434 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: you don't get a direct hit like they don't say, 435 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: oh this is Alexis terrestchut busted. No, you get kind 436 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: of a hit and you think, ah, this is the 437 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: great great great great grandpa of Mike Killer. So you 438 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: start coming down the family tree. You gotta go, Okay, 439 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: they had this many children. Let's follow them down. They 440 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: had that many children. Let's follow it down. Follow it down, 441 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: follow it down until you get to a living relative 442 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: of great great great grandpa in the area you hone 443 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: in on. For instance, the Golden State Killer. They busted 444 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: him and nobody said, ooh, I've got a roast in 445 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: the oven, give me a minute. They're like, oh, hell no, 446 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: you're going now. So that's how they find him. Same 447 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: thing with Brian Coburger. That's a great example. They find 448 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: the DNA on the knife sheath. Hey, this is this 449 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: is your case, Chris McDonough and you were there on 450 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: the ground at the get go in that one, they 451 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: find the DNA on the knife sheath under one of 452 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: the victims for victims bodies they don't know matching codis say, 453 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: they do genetic genealogy. They find Coburger's father, uh, and 454 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: then they wait for him to leave behind discard something 455 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: with his DNA on it. They get that, they do 456 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: the same thing with Coburger himself. You know, I'm making 457 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: a very short story out of a very long story. 458 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: And that's how they bust him. And that's what happened here. 459 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: You heard what the FBI Special Agent Bill Dibagno said. 460 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: An investigative genetic genealogy team work to id the suspect, 461 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and investigators went to El Salvador. What does that tell me? 462 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: One of his families members had a record and had 463 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: given DNA yeating And. 464 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 5: You're one thousand percent right. There is always an answer 465 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 5: where I you know, in the coverd thing. Obviously they 466 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 5: grab some trash. In this case, they were onto this guy. 467 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: They could smell it. They went and spent the money 468 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 5: to send the FBI team down there. And not only 469 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 5: was it the field office probably down there, but they 470 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 5: probably sent the agents directly from DC from the lab 471 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 5: to pull this CNA. So they knew that they were 472 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 5: crossing all the t's and dot and the ice because 473 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 5: you know, obviously, when you're dealing with an international case 474 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: like this, you certainly do not want to run up 475 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 5: against it in court. And so once they got that, 476 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 5: I think it turned into a technical case at that point, 477 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 5: because we also hear that FBI agent say, you know, 478 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 5: with some technical assistance, and that tells me, you know, 479 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 5: they're out there now that they've got this potential name 480 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 5: to the CNA, let's find this ice phone. So they 481 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 5: went back to La respect and they did a grid, 482 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 5: uh geographic grid in relationship to the phones that pinged 483 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 5: that night, and then they start winning on went on 484 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: the hunt for that technical piece and that device that 485 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 5: I suspect he probably still had on him. In Oklahoma. 486 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Hey, Matthew Mangina, high profile 487 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: lawyer joining us the Lawrence County jurisdiction, You've handled a 488 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of cases like this. We keep seeing sketches of 489 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: him and that hat. What do you want to bet 490 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: he still had a hat like that in his possession. 491 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure that he did. That's kind of his uh. 492 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 5: Stick. 493 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 6: I mean, he's going to he's going to have that, 494 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 6: He's going to have that hat. If he loses his hat, 495 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 6: he's going on and get another one that looks like that. 496 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 6: That's all part of, you know, his his appearance and 497 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 6: you know the way he likes to present himself. 498 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 5: You know. 499 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 6: The thing that's alarming here and Nancy about this case is, 500 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 6: you know, was he in some way sort of on 501 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 6: the radar of uh, the FBI or anybody else because 502 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 6: of his involvement with gangs or drug distribution and things 503 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 6: like that, and so you wonder, you know, was he 504 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 6: was he part of another investigation that was going on 505 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 6: unrelated to these crimes that we've been talking about this morning. 506 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 6: And you know, it's always you know, would. 507 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: It could have? 508 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 8: Should have? 509 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 6: You know, was it possible because he was here illegally 510 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 6: to have been taken off the streets earlier? You know, 511 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 6: So those are always concerns that you have when you're 512 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 6: involved in you know, other sort of high profile investigations 513 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 6: of international drug trade and things like that. 514 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: I noticed that Sheriff Galler does not mind calling out 515 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: the White House and to every member in both chambers 516 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 1: of Congress. He's not picking Republicans or Democrats. He's calling 517 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: everybody out. He says, we are eighteen hundred miles away 518 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: here in Harford County, we are eighteen hundred miles away 519 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: from the southern border, and American citizens are not safe 520 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: because of failed immigration policies. This guy is a gang 521 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: member there, I said it. He's involved in a gang 522 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: that is involved in drugs, bringing drugs illegally into our country. 523 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: Now he's got two martyr charges and rape charges and 524 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: assault charges in LA. What more has he done and 525 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: why is he here? 526 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: N nol Chalwador. There is a what's you called a 527 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: red notice, a red notice which is basically an Interpol 528 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: warrant for his arrest to bring him back there to 529 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 2: stand for the homicide of the woman in that case 530 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: down there. So it was midnight our time, and he 531 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: was hanging out at a business park or a storefront 532 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: and the police encountered him and apparently there's a charge 533 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: of let me say, trespassing, trespassing and he was identified 534 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: during that arrest and processing. 535 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: Okay, they're going to make a lot of hay at that. 536 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: When this thing finally goes to trial. To Matthew Mangino, 537 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: I profile lawyer, he was arrested for trespassing. What okay. 538 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: Some of the reports are that he's hanging out outside 539 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: of a bar, some are that he was sitting in 540 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: a bar. But the reality is they're going to be 541 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: able to make out a trespassing case and his arrest 542 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: is going to be one by the book. They didn't 543 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: get this far to screw up, now, man Geno. 544 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 6: Well, you're right, Nancy, And you know, what you can 545 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 6: call this or compare it to is kind of a 546 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 6: pretextual stop. So so you might have something on somebody 547 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 6: that you want to make in arrest, so you you 548 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 6: follow that person until they make a turn without their 549 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 6: turn signal, and that's probable cause to stop that vehicle 550 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 6: and to move forward. And this is something similar. You know, 551 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 6: it's it's not the most important part of this case 552 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 6: by any means, but it is an opportunity to take 553 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 6: this person into custody so that you can move forward 554 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 6: with the other aspects of the investigation or the ultimate 555 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 6: indictment and arrest. Right. But you know, Nancy, one thing 556 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 6: that I wanted to say about about immigration, which I 557 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 6: certainly think is is, you know, sort of the centerpiece here, 558 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 6: but you know there's enough blame to go around. I mean, ultimately, 559 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 6: there was an opportunity to make the border more secure 560 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 6: earlier this year in Congress felt to do that. 561 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: Okay, Man, Gena, that's a lot bigger problem. I agree, 562 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: it's something that me, a child lawyer, cannot fix. I've 563 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: got definite opinions about it, but I want to focus 564 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: on this guy that I believe murdered a mother of 565 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: five and attacked a nine year old American girl in 566 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: her home. I mean, Karen start, can you just break 567 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: it down. I don't want to hear a lot of psychobabble. 568 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: No offense, of course, but this nine year old girl 569 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: will never be the same. Rachel Moore's children will never 570 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: be the same because this piece of crap was in 571 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 1: our country illegally and he murdered Rachel. According to the DNA, 572 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: You're right. 573 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 7: Nancy, And they will never recover from this because this 574 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 7: is trauma. So she didn't die of natural causes, which 575 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 7: would have been difficult enough. How do we get through 576 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 7: something like that? But they know absolutely that she was murdered, 577 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 7: They know details, her face, was smashed in, the person 578 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 7: planned it very carefully and they are traumatized for the 579 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 7: rest of their life. So this is a horrendous situation. 580 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 7: And believe me, I will be shocked if they don't 581 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 7: find more instances where this has occurred exactly. 582 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the brutality inflict could 583 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: on Rachel. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, Chief medical examiner 584 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: fort Worth never lack a business there, doctor Kendall Crown's. 585 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her face, her beautiful and very delicate 586 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: face being bashed in so badly that half of her 587 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: face was practically gone. Can you tell in an autopsy 588 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: if she was beaten bludgeon that way in life or 589 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: post mortem, yes. 590 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 11: You can tell. There's usually when you're still alive and 591 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 11: being beaten, you will get hemorrhage or bruising or redness 592 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 11: of the skin associated with the injuries because it's a 593 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 11: reaction of the tissues to the damage. In post mortem case, 594 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 11: when they continue to beat you or the injuries happen 595 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 11: after death, there's no beating heart, so you don't get 596 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 11: the hemorrhage that you see with living wounds. 597 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: So, in other words, if you're already dead. You don't 598 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 1: bruise and bleed because your heart's not bumping anymore. Correct, 599 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: if you're already dead, you won't see the bleeding and 600 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: the bruising. That tells me something horrible. Chris mcdonnaugh, You 601 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: know you and I've tried a lot of homicide cases. 602 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: You investigating me, prosecuting, This tells me he brutally Eliza's 603 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: woman and gave her that horrible bludgeoning, stripped her and 604 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: raped her while she was alive. She felt that a 605 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of people have hypothesized that she was her face 606 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 1: beaten in with a rock. After death post mortem, Rachel 607 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: felt every blow, she felt the rape. We won't really 608 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: know what was done to Rachel Mourn until we see 609 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: the indictment and the autopsy report. But this woman, a 610 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: mother of five, was dragged off the trail, dragged, beaten, bludgeoned, raped, stripped, 611 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: and left there by this guy, according to DNA. 612 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 5: Yes, in fact, Nancy, I mean, think of the horror 613 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 5: of her mindset when she's being pulled off of that 614 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 5: trailer in the trail into a dark tunnel, and she's 615 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 5: now with a perpetrator who has already done this, This 616 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 5: Savage had already murdered another woman in another country, and 617 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 5: he had learned from that incident into the brutal attack 618 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 5: of this mom of five. We do not know exactly 619 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 5: what the extent of her horror was, but I can 620 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 5: tell you from my experience, and of course you know 621 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 5: from yours. You know, God bless her family, and this 622 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 5: was just horrific in nature. 623 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: We don't have. 624 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 11: Any clue where he could be. 625 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 9: We don't even know if he's still in Harper County 626 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 9: or in the state of Maryland, because obviously in March 627 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 9: he was in California, and then here in August he 628 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 9: was here in Maryland, so we don't. 629 00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 5: Know if he's still here. 630 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: That was then this is now busted Victor Antonio Martinez 631 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: Hernandez in custody at that time, Colonel Davis saying he 632 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: could be anywhere, like a needle in a haystack. That's over. 633 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: He is in custody and if police law enforcement have 634 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: their way, he will die in a Maryland prison. They 635 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty, but they do have life 636 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: without parole. And this is what I'm understanding. Less this 637 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: trust shuck. He has also been traced to Virginia, Virginia. 638 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: I wonder if there are any unsolved rapes and female homicides. 639 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: If you notice, all of his victims are people that 640 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: are less powerful than he is, less cunning, So I 641 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: would be looking at murdered and assaulted females in the 642 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: Virginia area. This is the tip of the Iceberg legsis. 643 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, because there are lots of unsolved crimes and around 644 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 4: all of these areas of Virginia and Maryland, West Virginia, Washington. 645 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: D c. 646 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 4: All right there, and that's what there's perhaps a connection there. 647 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 4: And then in Oklahoma. He's been in Oklahoma for any 648 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 4: amount of time, he is for sure to have probably 649 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 4: committed a crime there. And then how did he get 650 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 4: from Los Angeles to Maryland and then to Oklahoma. Did 651 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 4: he git a plane or was he driving across country 652 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 4: and stopping and committing crimes all the way along the way, 653 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 4: and somebody was harboring him, somebody was keeping him safe. 654 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: He was living somewhere. 655 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 4: I don't believe anyone has ever said that he was homeless, 656 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 4: not living on the street or anything. So I think 657 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 4: that there are other people that could be prosecuted for 658 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 4: this as well, for helping him. 659 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, a gang that is protecting him. A lot of 660 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: people have said, what's the motive? 661 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 2: Listen, we may learn more about Was it just an 662 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: opportunity because she was on the trail when you know, 663 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: unfortunately she decided to do out exercising that they or 664 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 2: was there something more specific as to the motive? You 665 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 2: know we've been how you lift? I guess about it. 666 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: The charges in the case are. 667 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 5: First degree murder and first degree rate. 668 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: Why ask why? It took me about five years prosecuting 669 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: violent felonies, and I remember the moment looking over at 670 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: a defendant in the courtroom, thinking why why would you 671 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: do this and leave this huge trail of pain behind you? 672 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: And then it hit me, don't in the head? Why 673 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: ask why? Why does a wolf rip out the throat 674 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: of a rabbit Because he's a predator and doesn't think 675 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: twice about the pain and suffering he causes other people, 676 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: including not only Rachel Morin, but her mother, her family, 677 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: her five children, a nine year old girl in la 678 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: her family. None of these crime victims' families will ever 679 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: be the same. You're going down, man, and you're staying down. 680 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: Let's stop and remember an American hero police Officer Arianna Preston, Chicago, Illinois. 681 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: Just twenty four, Preston shot and killed in the line 682 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: of duty. Officer Prestin died only a week before getting 683 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: her Masters in Law from Loyola, survived by grieving mother 684 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: Dione American hero police officer Arianna Preston. I want to 685 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: thank all of our guests for being with us. Our 686 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: thoughts in prayers with Rachel Morin's mother, family and her 687 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: five beautiful children. That nine year old little girl and 688 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: her family. Only we can't fix what happened to them, 689 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: but we can seek justice. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.