WEBVTT - #46 Stuck in a Trance 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.480 Hell I Suck at Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:10.119 and I heard radio podcast. Hello everyone, thank you so 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.280 much for joining us on another episode of help I 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:17.279 Suck at Dating. I'm Dean Angler, joined by Jared and 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.240 Vanessa on the phone, but we have a very secret 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.560 guest who I want to build a little bit of 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.280 anticipation for Vanessa and Jared. You want to say hi 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.920 real quick, Hi. Hello. Good to have you guys here. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.199 And Vanessa, you sound so crisp and clear in studio 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.120 for you today. You're just the best. And of course 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.000 we're joined by Easton and Mark and one of my 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.880 personal favorite people from probably on this on the face 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.680 of the planet, but more specifically from the Bachelor franchise. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.520 Can can we get a drum roll? Please? Mark east 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:54.760 and someone, ladies and gentlemen, standing at six foot two 0:00:54.800 --> 0:01:01.440 inches tall, Peter Cross, So here at six three you're 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.120 six and too. I'm a taller than you are and 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.840 I'm only six one and three quarters. Um. Yeah. So 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.520 Peter's here with us today. He's going to be co 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.679 hosting because Vanessa's obviously Montreal. Jared's in Rhode Island in 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.160 his car looking at wedding venues. Um oh, Peter, I 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.800 got something to ask. You're right after. But let's get 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:22.800 to okay, well I mean Vanessa. Well yeah, no, Peter, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.240 I wanted to remember when we reached out to you, 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.080 we were gonna do a charity event together. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.920 what happened? You never got We never got, we never 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.360 got back to us. That was a little I was 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.839 a little but hurt. That was a very short period 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.240 of time that I was in Canada. That's all I 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.200 remember about it. Okay, I guess, so can we put 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:47.920 that behind us? Well, people behind us. I've never met 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.080 you in person, so you over the pat on the 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.200 podcast for the first time. Nice meet you too, But 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.120 I've watched plenty of your videos with these boys over here, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.880 so sorry about that. Seems like a fun guy, Well 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:05.080 you have. I'm really jealous. Thank you. That's an interesting compliment. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.080 But um, well, anyway, let's just stump right into it 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 and go into a ghosting story that we want to 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.320 I guess kind of to dissect a little bit. Well, yeah, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:13.960 we got We have some a lot of response from 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.240 last week's ghosting focused episode of Help I Suck a Dating, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.160 And we got this from an anonymous call us. We 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:20.799 thought we a little put a little exclamation point and 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.480 last week's podcast before we get into the fresh stuff 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.480 for this week. And this is anonymous person says I 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.360 absolutely love you guys and the ghosting podcast was probably 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.200 my favorite one yet. Question do you think ghosters should 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.480 be casually confronted? I feel like so many guys have 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.640 experienced come across as being one way to do a 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.760 one eight and ghost Should they be called out like 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.640 a quick little task text saying hey, what's up? Did 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.120 it disappear? Somethings are cast. It would force them to 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.840 give some type of explanation so they can't just take 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.920 the easy way out. Or is it pointless because at 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.840 the end of the day we know what the answer is. Anyway, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.320 I hate dating, I hate ghosters. I'm still waiting for 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.280 my person. I love you guys and have listened since 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.320 day one. That's the anonymous email. I want to let 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.480 Peter take this one. What do you think? I think 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.680 nobody likes to be left hanging, Nobody likes to feel rejected. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.560 So if you get ghosted, it just leaves this big 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.679 empty feeling of what happened and why what I do wrong? 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.799 So I think anybody's fair to question what happened and 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.919 have questions for that person. But do you really owe 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.639 someone you don't know that well a response and something 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.000 like that. I think I don't know that either. I 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.200 think it blows back down to kind of what we 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.320 discussed last week. It's a it's not appropriate to ghost 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.680 someone ever, but it's more appropriate earlier in the relationship, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.400 so correctly if you do it later on, and that's 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.280 not because then you need to confront them. I almost 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.919 think that confronting them at any moment is a good 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.040 thing because I don't know, I feel like you're giving 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.000 them what they want, you know, what's explanation? No, Like, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.720 if I'm ghosted, so let's say Peter ghost me, um. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.440 So I suppose me so Peter ghost me? Um, I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.800 don't want to give him uh Like, I don't want 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.400 to boost his ego and like message him and be like, hey, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.200 remember me, why did you ghost me? I'm gonna be like, no, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.240 you know what I'm gonna I get the point. It's 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.520 really that simple. At the end of the day. It's 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.000 it's if if he's not that into you, he's not 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.920 going to message you, or if she's not that into you. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.440 She's not going to message you. So that's your answer. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.880 There's no point in digging further. Well, at one point 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.240 you decide where someone's at in the relationship and when 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.920 it's okay to ghost and went Scott. I mean, listen, 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.360 if we're dating for like months and your ghost me, yeah, 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.440 I'm going to be knocking on your door. But if 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.599 it's like a month in or like a couple of 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.440 weeks in, like no, chances are that person was probably 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.080 dating other people and something else sparked their interest and 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.320 you just became what's that term when you're like on 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:42.280 the side venture. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you guys 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:47.320 a question. Is it considered not bening? It considering if 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.160 you haven't met the person? Says in like texting, you 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.120 met this person on online dating app and then like 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.080 a couple of weeks in you just kind of stop responding. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.440 They text you and you're don't respond. Would that be 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.280 considered if you haven't met a person, Yeah, I think so. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.320 I think if you're showing some sort of interest and 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.920 you guys are like messaging each other and you know 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.680 you're giving signs that you're into that person, then all 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.800 of a sudden you stop messaging them, you again, you 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.520 start wondering like is this something that I said? Is 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.600 it something you know? Like what is it? So I 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:24.600 think that's still ghosting in the past. I mean, you 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.359 guys never like I mean, I remember my online dating 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.159 at days, like I never it's just talked to some 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.000 people and then it was just like a week go fine, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.839 You're like, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.040 beat up with this person ever really realistic, and then 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.279 you do it kind and especially when like both sides 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.440 kind of seemed to like lack the initiative to make 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.000 the move, I can understand why like that would happen, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.120 especially pre meet up. You know. I think that's definitely 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:53.080 like the least like least uh severe case of it. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.880 It's a mild ghost, very mild ghost. I think it 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.080 should be like that three day rule. I mean, if 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.200 you meet I don't know, I guess to Here's think 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.520 you meet somebody in person, you probably shouldn't ghost them. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.760 You should get this sort of explation why. I agree. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.880 And here's the thing. As someone that I think I've 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.120 admitted to ghosting people in the past, and I've been 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.200 ghosted in the past, and I think on both sides 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.359 of that, I would prefer to be confronted and to 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.479 confront so I would be like, yes, if you're if 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.680 this upset you, absolutely please like approached me to be 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.560 like where the heck did you go? Guy? Like what 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.360 the heck happened? And on the flip side of it, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.560 if I got ghosted, I think that we all do answers, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.160 you know, so I'd be like, what happened? Like why 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.320 did you ghost me? I know I'm not the most 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.040 interesting guy in the world, but like, still, come on, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.799 you know you're up there though, yeah, not the most 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:43.719 momst So I think our consensus Vanessa says, why bother 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.599 general consensus days, you've got nothing to lose, go for it. Yes, agreed, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.200 confront always right in the end. So just I think 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.279 I'm always vent us on this one. Why father, Like, 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.160 what are you gonna do? Confront them? And didn't get 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.359 an explanation of that they just pournt that into you? 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.080 You don't why? Yeah, exactly, you might get a reconfirmation 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.520 that they're not that into you closure. I mean, it 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.239 depends on how deep the relationship went. If you guys 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.360 meant once and you got coast front of ranted. If 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.960 you went on a few days and it was going 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.320 well and then he completely just dropped off the map, 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.320 maybe confront then I agree with that one thing. One 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.240 thing you could always do if you get ghosted and 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.880 like you're maybe a little down on your confidence, whatever 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.360 it is is, you can just hit the gym, you 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.480 get yourself in shape, get that revenge body put back together, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.240 and the best way to do that. 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That's d E A N too three zero 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.680 three zero three zero and to start your free child today. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.880 I almost thought that I said too many three zeros, 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.040 but I don't think I got it. And don't get 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.920 ghosted again. If you're looking fit, if that Beach Body 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.800 on Demand is really working it for you, I doubt 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:51.360 you every get ghosted again. We have to talk to Jared. Yeah, Jared, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.680 big week for Jared. Jared, something big happened to you 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.840 on TV last night? I don't I don't know if 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.200 you saw that on television last night, but was a 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.199 new episode of Family Guys just just like Cinderella, slipper 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:11.240 that rig and slid right on to Ashley's fingertudd You're 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.440 the cutest Sharon. Oh, I can't believe I said that. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.240 I don't even remember. And then they were playing a 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.079 promo a couple of weeks ago and then lust and 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.880 I heard my still weighing voice go, you might not 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.280 remember saying it, but how you weren't surprised that you 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.800 said it right? Like, no one is really shocked. Oh 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.760 my god. I was talking to Nick about it when 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.200 he first heard it. He was like, that was the 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.040 most jared thing I've ever heard. I guess it's appropriate. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.440 I agree, but it was beautiful. We loved it. Okay, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:38.880 So tell us about the experience a little bit. I 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.640 know we've talked to maybe like in depth in the past, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.040 but now that it's aired and now that we've kind 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.000 of seen it played back to us, like, just give 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.000 us a quick little I guess run down on on 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.000 the entire situation. Yeah, of course, man. So obviously we're 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.040 trying to surprise asthletly, so she didn't really know what 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.200 was going on when we were heading down, is why 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.679 we talking in front of the group, and said oh, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.760 we're handing out a day card and then we'll go 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.520 to the beach and then we'll wait for a couple 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.720 of se to us when it's back. As soon as 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.160 we had the beach, I knew that I was going 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.680 to suppose at some point, and so it was a 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.400 really beautiful day. Man. And even I was really nervous 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.960 that entire morning. And I remember where she wanted to 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.360 start drinking before in Paradise, and Ashley is not a 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.320 big drinker. He has like a glass campaign he's gonna 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.120 get drunk, but she had the idea that we were 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.120 going for a day card. So it's like Ashley just pleased, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.240 Like I can't tell you why, I don't want you 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.920 to get drunk, don't do it. And but it was. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.920 It was a beautiful moment. And the idea to go 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.840 back to Paradise, where I've screwed up so many times 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.199 um with the girl that I love, and to be 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.319 in that moment and make that place right and our 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.480 memories was something that I knew I need to jump 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.200 at the opportunity to and and uh, it was a 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.520 beautiful day in a beautiful moment. We got dinner with 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.040 Tanner and Jay's letter, I say, to celebrate and UM, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.240 to watch it back last night was nerve racking, to 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.880 say the least. Um. I was excited to see it, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.560 but I was also very nervous. If I'm being honest, Uh, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.240 if you guys are watching, you know that acts like 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.400 boy Frank, Kevin is down to Paradise and I knew, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.120 I mean when I got proposed, when I proposed down there, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.080 obviously I knew that Kevin was there. We saw him 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.600 for a very quick second. So I didn't know what 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.880 was going to happen after we left. But that was 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.720 very nervous. I can not really know what was going 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.840 to happen. And it was hard because going down to Paradise, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.280 I didn't know if Kevin was there or not. You know, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.520 as we can all attest, if you're not there, you 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.560 don't know who's there, who's left, You're still there. And 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.400 I no one warned you or like, no one gave 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.800 you the heads up. Well, I mean you guys, So 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.200 what happened? It was I I didn't ask for anything really, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.280 um that specific, because I knew that if Kevin was 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.280 down there, I was gonna ask for one thing, which 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.960 was him not to be there, like please do wherever 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.240 you need to do to make sure that Astley and 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.880 I was down there, and this is you know, the 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.199 short time that we are down there is just for us. Um. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.000 And so I was on the phone the night before 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.920 more uh you know, being as uh you know, stern 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.040 as I possibly can be, uh you know, with with 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.880 certain people to try to make sure that he wasn't there, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.160 and unfortunately it just wasn't really possible. And so it 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.160 came down to me either proposing, um, which I had 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.840 been planning for a month and a half, well before 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.400 Kevin was even casting on Paradise. It just worked out 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.720 this way, and it was like really soon into the relationship. Uh. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.440 That was really like at the very beginning of the relationship, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.800 you knew you were going to propose. Well, I think 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.120 he made that pretty clear, like he he was saying, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.679 if we're going to start dating, it's going to be 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.760 it for everything. So I think even like once they 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.400 began being romantic, you kind of knew, right Jared, Oh totally, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.880 Like we started like we were pretty much boyfriend girlfriend 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.640 like mid to late March, and um, you know, a 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.520 month in I was like, I'm I'm absolutely proposed in 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.800 to actually I have no doubts about it, and then I, uh, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.280 you know, started talking about proposing down in power. It's 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.040 been about mid May, so it's probably about a little 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.160 two months roughly about us dating. Granted we've known each 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.120 other for over three years with a long history, I 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.400 think it was a little different, UM. And so so 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.920 that was obviously difficult knowing that, like, there was pretty 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.080 much nothing I could do either I proposed, uh and 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.439 see Kevin for a quick second, UM, or I don't. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.120 And so I made the decision to UM proposed because 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.080 I didn't want to say no, simply because it's Kevin's 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.520 feelings and I hope that he can understand and respect that. UM. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.120 And obviously, you know, when I was on the phone, UM, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.320 you know, pretty much making sure that Lesten, if he's there, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.280 can you please just make it as less as little 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.400 awkward as possible And they said they would. You know, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.520 it was in the moment, weren't someone for that quick 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.480 second when he was in the crowd of people, and 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.440 then we left and I didn't see him at all 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.199 until he was very nice and he congratulated. So it 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.720 was like around the pieces just Astley and myself. Um, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.240 was it weird seeing like the conversations that they had 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.320 of you guys after because obviously you weren't. Isn't for 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:01.679 that when it happened, but then you see it back 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.040 played back on TV? You know what I mean? Yeah, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.800 of course, Like and I can't really blame Kevin at all. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.240 I mean, if I saw my ex, even if it 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.720 was only a short relationship, come in and getting sort 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.679 of the guy i'd see too, how could you not 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.320 see so? Um, I mean it's hard to know that. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.880 It's just you know, it really worked out the way 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.480 it did where he was there and then you know, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.840 we had this engagement plan for a little while, so 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.720 it's just it worked out not really that well, but 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.600 it still was just a wonder pumona for Astley and myself. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.680 And the thing is, you know, Kevin seems to be 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.560 very happy with another girl, so aren't happy about that. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.880 And I think it worked out for all parties, where 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.320 even Kevin tweeted this last night where he was just like, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.200 you know, I was able to move on, but they're happy, 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.280 So it worked out for everybody. So at what point 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.200 do you think I actually knew that you were asking 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:58.840 her to marry you. Well, she may have knew uh 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.880 in the hotel of before we left. I don't know 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.640 if you knew or not, but she knew that there 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.240 was an inkling of a possibility that we can get 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.200 engaged and drop the pins for the months prior. She 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.120 was like, hey, you asked me tomorrow. I say yes, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:12.760 and I was like, oh, that's funny. And then she 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.600 told me that I was not allowed. We weren't We 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.000 couldn't move in together until we were engaged. And I 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.000 was like, well, actually stay in Neuvembor. We're not engaged 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.280 and we want to live together. And it's like, why 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.960 don't that's on you say yesterday. I think as soon 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.240 as we started walking to the beach towards the middle 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.120 of the day, bed and I stopped and started, just like, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.600 you know, saying how much I loved her. I think 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.160 she knew in that moment it's about to go down. Um. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.960 So it was cool. She was walking in the sand 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.440 with her feels, you know, just like a queen. So 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.400 did you get to sit down with did you sit 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.120 down with Neil Lane and pick out her ring? No? 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.880 So I was on the phone. Um, I didn't access 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.720 to the ring at the right there. I saw pictures 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.920 of it. Um. I was on the phone um for 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.160 a few weeks prior, um, you know, saying what I 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.280 wanted in the ring and actually wanted the ring. And 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.040 it worked out because actually somebody, you know, friend to 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.800 somebody producers that she had talked to them prior about 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.560 a ring that she wanted, and I talked to herself 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.960 a Lauren about everything that she wanted in a ring. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760 Felt well, we're able to narrow down to the ring 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.000 that we wanted. And actually we didn't pick out the 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.520 ring because Neil didn't have a ring that we wanted, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.720 so he actually state it for ustly, which was incredible. Um. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.480 And so it's cool. So we walked down. Give you 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.440 the s stairs. When we walked down the paradise, there's 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.040 one and then you say hi to Harrison and then 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.520 there's another sets stairs from the beach. So when we 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.120 first walked down, they had to figure out a way 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.520 to get me the ring. And so one of the 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.280 producers was like, all right, I'm gonna want you guys 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.480 down separately the first that you know, in case you 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.560 want to tease that you guys might be coming in alone. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.640 And then the second SETI stators you can walk down together, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.440 And of course that was a floying because he was like, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.400 all right, do you go first? When I walked down 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.440 the stairs and there was another producer waiting for me, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.240 and he's like, well, I have something for you, and 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:48.640 that's where he gave me the ring and all they 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.840 just actually see it in person and not over the 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.120 phone for the first time, and really he gave me 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.080 like a minute to myself just soak in that moment 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.000 and decided to just remember everything I was gonna say, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.080 um and just have that, you know, a couple of 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.159 minutes just by myself with the ring, realizing what this 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.760 symbolizes and what I'm about to do. So it was 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.960 it was a wonderful day and watching it back was 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.080 beautiful and I was just my parents last night, and um, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.880 we just sat in my living room and eagerly waited 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.080 for the proposal to air, and it was a really 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.560 great moment. I feel like you had it such a 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.919 unique situation because your engagement was announced basically the day 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.119 after it happened, and then so you got to experience 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.720 that and then obviously like you've had the two months 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.680 since that too. Now and you kind of got to 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.159 like relive it. It's like a very unique up like experience. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.919 And I feel like that's just super awesome because obviously 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.080 we all watched it last night. Um, it was very 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.560 unique and I'm very grateful for it. But it's crazy 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.800 when you think, because I remember when we got engaged 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.920 in Paradise, thinking, Okay, well, I guess we can't really 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.280 talk about it for the next two months, and then 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.480 later that night we got a text saying, hey, we 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.800 might see something tomorrow. Um, good morning, America might have something. 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.800 We're like, okay, And then the next morning it was 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.880 the picture of me on one knee and was like, okay, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.480 well we don't have to hide it, which is great, 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.120 and then it holds up until it actually airs. So 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.200 it was a very speak engagement to say the least, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.760 not only because it was on TV with statual on Paradise, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.480 but the fact that it was announced two months five 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.000 that everybody else witnessing it. Um, But it was a 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.680 pretty incredible moment. Yeah, and now we got all basking 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.760 it with you, which is even more incredible. I think 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.040 you know, I know you put you poor bastard, you 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.479 have to hear about it for so long and now 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.040 it's just got air and now you gotta talk more 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.040 about it. Got as long as this is the last 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.760 time we ever have to talk about it, I'm fine. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.080