Speaker 1: We are well into the marvelous month of May. A
Speaker 1: lot to celebrate in May. My sister's birthday, my son
Speaker 1: Al Hassan's birthday, both of his boy's birthday, my son
Speaker 1: Tk's birthday. All this goodness. Mother's Day has come and gone,
Speaker 1: but I know the celebration of Mother's all mothers is ongoing.
Speaker 1: I was reading about the history of Mother's Day recently.
Speaker 1: Julia Ward Howe wrote appealed to womanhood throughout the world,
Speaker 1: later known as Mother's Day Proclamation in eighteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: Back then, it was an impassioned plea, a reaction to
Speaker 1: the carnage of the American Civil War and a recognition
Speaker 1: of the sacrifices of mama's who had to send their
Speaker 1: sons off to battle. How then asked for a Mother's
Speaker 1: Day for Peace to be held in June of every year,
Speaker 1: but she was unsuccessful in her bid. Modern Mother's Day
Speaker 1: was established by Anna Jarvis of Philadelphia in nineteen o
Speaker 1: seven to honor her own mother, who had organized women's
Speaker 1: groups to promote friendship and health. So, while this Mother's
Speaker 1: Day was different in significance from the very first proposal,
Speaker 1: she was reportedly inspired by her mother's work with how
Speaker 1: My takeaway is that Mother's Day is celebrated and recognized
Speaker 1: in as many different ways as there are different mothers.
Speaker 1: But the heart of what it means to be a
Speaker 1: mother is this sacrifice. That's what it means to be
Speaker 1: a mom. Today's guest on Love someone is not a mother,
Speaker 1: but he has one, and she and her sacrifices are
Speaker 1: the center of a big project that's recently come to fruition.
Speaker 1: Helene is the mother of seven children, seven very talented children.
Speaker 1: If you enjoy contemporary Christian music, you're probably familiar with
Speaker 1: the names of three of them, Rebecca Saint James and
Speaker 1: Luke and Joel Smallbone of the musical duo for King
Speaker 1: and Country. Joel and Luke join me several years ago
Speaker 1: when they had success with Thank God I Do. Today,
Speaker 1: Luke is back to talk about this new movie, Unsung Hero,
Speaker 1: which is basically about his mom, Helen, and her decision
Speaker 1: to move their family six children and one on the
Speaker 1: way to America after her husband, David's music company collapsed
Speaker 1: in Australia. Helen's faith stands against all odds. She inspires
Speaker 1: her husband, David and her children to hold on to
Speaker 1: their dreams. With their own dreams on hold and cleaning
Speaker 1: houses and mowing lawns to make meet. David and Helen
Speaker 1: begin to realize the musical prowess in their children, who
Speaker 1: had become two of the most successful acts in inspirational
Speaker 1: music history. The movie, whose title comes from a four
Speaker 1: King and Country song about Helen, opened in theaters on
Speaker 1: April twenty sixth. It's been enjoyed by thousands of cinemagoers
Speaker 1: by now. Adding to the fun, David Smallbone, the family patriarch,
Speaker 1: is portrayed by his son Joel Smallbone, and Luke with
Speaker 1: Us Today is a co producer on this project. We'll
Speaker 1: be catching up with Luke hearing all about Unsung hero today,
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Speaker 2: Hi Luke, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Welcome avoid Hey, thank you, thanks for taking the time
Speaker 2: to hang out with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in your car? Where are you going?
Speaker 2: You know? I was going to pick up my kids
Speaker 2: from school, and so I was at this awkward point
Speaker 2: of I can't quite go home and I've got to
Speaker 2: get the kids, so I'm in my car.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I was going to go plant flower
Speaker 1: with my daughter today and my podcast producer set this
Speaker 1: up for ten thirty, which would mean I would be
Speaker 1: on a ferry and there is no internet reception on
Speaker 1: the ferry, and I'm like, ah, do I go before?
Speaker 1: Do I go after?
Speaker 2: We're the same situation.
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and it was pouring down
Speaker 1: ray and I'm like, I ain't going to go playing
Speaker 1: flowers today. So that solves that problem.
Speaker 2: That's right. Where do you live? Where were you going
Speaker 2: on a ferry? Because that just sounds adventurous.
Speaker 1: I live in Puget Sound. I live outside of Seattle,
Speaker 1: and my farm is only about ten fifteen miles from
Speaker 1: Seattle proper, but it's across the water, so you have
Speaker 1: to take a ferry to get here. It's like going
Speaker 1: to another world. Not to like Australia world. But it
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 2: What I was going to say is I was going
Speaker 2: to bring it around for a straight I've often said
Speaker 2: that Seattle reminds me on a fair weather day, mind you,
Speaker 2: So I have to put that at a qualifier. So
Speaker 2: much of Australia, just the water, the culture, the beauty.
Speaker 2: I've often joked that it's one of my favorite cities
Speaker 2: in America. So you live in some good place. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't have the farm or whatever you're talking about
Speaker 2: that you've got to go by water. That sounds even
Speaker 2: better than Seattle.
Speaker 1: Here's where we differ. We don't have kangaroos or wombats
Speaker 1: or true gigantic spiders that eat you.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is the ones that eat you.
Speaker 2: You gotta worry about the small ones. See, the small
Speaker 2: ones are poisonous. We have this spider called the funnel web. Okay,
Speaker 2: this will really creep you out. It can go into
Speaker 2: the pool and hold its breath I believe, for three weeks,
Speaker 2: and if it bites you, I'm not saying you will
Speaker 2: certainly die, but you should probably directly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna die. I love watching those videos, you
Speaker 1: know where they're like like extreme Australia and it's just
Speaker 1: like the scariest, creepiest things that God created all into
Speaker 1: that in Australia. It's like, how can that be?
Speaker 2: I was at Australia once and we're at out a
Speaker 2: fam a friend's house of ows, and we're walking around
Speaker 2: doing whatever. And my mom and I was probably decently young.
Speaker 2: I was probably eleven or twelve at the time. She
Speaker 2: walks into the house and as she walks into the house,
Speaker 2: a brown snake goes right across her heels. She never
Speaker 2: saw it was real quick, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: there was a snake right here. And they were like, well,
Speaker 2: what type of snake was it? And I was like,
Speaker 2: it was brown. I looked like this. They go, okay,
Speaker 2: that is what they call We're not very original with
Speaker 2: our names. In Australia. It is called a brown snake.
Speaker 2: It is the second deadliest snake in the world.
Speaker 1: And it just slithered right over mom's foot.
Speaker 2: It just slithered right over mom's foot.
Speaker 1: Well, that leads us into this conversation because we're here
Speaker 1: today primarily to talk about your new movie on Sung zero,
Speaker 1: and after I watched it, I saw some interviews in
Speaker 1: some comments about your dad being an unsung hero, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is the dad. I'm watching it like it's to me.
Speaker 1: It was such a such a wonderful story about your
Speaker 1: mom's commitment to love and to faith and to her
Speaker 1: marriage and to her kids. And correct me if I'm
Speaker 1: wrong here, but she is like the unsung hero of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: So it's funny that you say that, because we should
Speaker 2: just literally do a rebuttal to all those comments and
Speaker 2: all those interviews, because you're exactly right. The film is
Speaker 2: based around our mother's undying commitment to her husband who
Speaker 2: was not necessarily always behaving the way he should, and
Speaker 2: to her kids and leading and triumphing over incredibly difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had a lot of people talk about
Speaker 2: this film Unsung Hero that we were part of making,
Speaker 2: and you know, to provide a little bit of contents,
Speaker 2: we were originally born in Australia. My dad brought over
Speaker 2: a tour and he was a concert promono in Australia,
Speaker 2: brings over a to her. The tour doesn't go well,
Speaker 2: we lose everything that we have.
Speaker 1: Brings over a tour with a friend of mine that
Speaker 1: I have known in love since I was like nineteen
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I just love her, love her, love her. So Amy
Speaker 1: grew and you know, and here's.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a backstory to even that moment.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Amy the other day and I said, Amy,
Speaker 2: that tour that this film talks about, I was there
Speaker 2: as a three year old child, and my memory is
Speaker 2: this person that every keep everybody keeps calling. Amy is
Speaker 2: so nice to me. That was my memory. So I
Speaker 2: got to share that with Amy, which was very very sweet.
Speaker 2: But he takes a tour over just too. It doesn't
Speaker 2: go very well. We lose everything we have. He gets
Speaker 2: a job off at in Nashville, and we moved six kids.
Speaker 2: My mother uh six months pregnant at the time, and
Speaker 2: when we come to America, my dad ends up losing
Speaker 2: that job and we're stranded on the other side of
Speaker 2: the world. I'm no friends, no family. We were sleeping
Speaker 2: on beds made out of clothes, no way for our
Speaker 2: little sister to be born, no car, not always quite
Speaker 2: sure where the mixed meal was gonna come from. And
Speaker 2: that is the context of my mother having to figure
Speaker 2: out a way how does the family stay together? How
Speaker 2: do we persevere? How do we make it in America?
Speaker 2: And this obviously, this film Unsung Hero is about all that.
Speaker 2: It's about the strength of family. I believe in the
Speaker 2: power of him. I think a family is more potent
Speaker 2: and powerful today than it ever has been in the
Speaker 2: history of the world. But we don't necessarily value it
Speaker 2: as we should. And I think Mother Teresa sums it
Speaker 2: up best when she says, if you want to change
Speaker 2: the world, go home and love your family.
Speaker 1: Amen. Amen. So how much of the movie your brother
Speaker 1: played your father and you were producing that. How much
Speaker 1: of the movie is true to the depression your father
Speaker 1: fell into and his unseemly behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I would say this. I think the
Speaker 2: film is ninety percent accurate. I mean, we had to
Speaker 2: take there were so many things about this story that
Speaker 2: my dad actually went through multiple scenarios of just getting
Speaker 2: smacked in the face, so much so that if we
Speaker 2: put them all in it was unbelievable. So we actually
Speaker 2: had to think.
Speaker 1: I would believe it. So you just mad want one
Speaker 1: SmackDown instead of the five or six that it actually was.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So my dad says this, He said, Joel,
Speaker 2: you externalized everything that I was feeling internally my dad.
Speaker 2: If you go see the film my Dad, it kind
Speaker 2: of has him as a little bit of a I
Speaker 2: don't want to say a depressive character, but a little
Speaker 2: bit of that, certainly feeling very helpless. My dad actually
Speaker 2: is an optimist, but what we were showing was is
Speaker 2: what he was feeling on the inside. And my dad
Speaker 2: actually confirmed he's like, man, that's actually legitimately what I
Speaker 2: was going through when we were first here in America,
Speaker 2: the depressive side of things. He did get to a
Speaker 2: point after you know, my sister's record deal fell through,
Speaker 2: there was a moment where he couldn't get out of bed,
Speaker 2: probably only for a day or so. We make it
Speaker 2: out in the field like it three four days. But
Speaker 2: but that did, actually, that did actually.
Speaker 1: Happen because I got to say, while I was watching it,
Speaker 1: I was so empathizing with your I would have walked
Speaker 1: out on him. I don't have you know, my marriage
Speaker 1: record shows you. I do not have the patience of
Speaker 1: your mother. She is a saint.
Speaker 2: We watched it. We were doing another promo event a
Speaker 2: little while ago, and this lady comes up to us
Speaker 2: and says, I watched that movie. Your movie last night
Speaker 2: and we were talking all about it and was promoting it,
Speaker 2: and it was a radio program and we said, what
Speaker 2: did you think? And she goes, I wanted to punch
Speaker 2: your father in the throat.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far, but I would.
Speaker 1: I'm honest. I'm being honest here. I you know, that's
Speaker 1: It's why I've been to divorce court more than once,
Speaker 1: because I don't have that patience and that my mother
Speaker 1: un dying love that your mother has my mother is.
Speaker 2: What I always say. Is part of the reason why
Speaker 2: we made this movie is because I think that in
Speaker 2: our society, we value the people that have microphones, audiences, crowds,
Speaker 2: and all of those things far too much. Our mother
Speaker 2: did the invisible, unseen things that change my life, that
Speaker 2: changed my generation, that I will never ever forget because
Speaker 2: who she is is my mother is ordinarily extraordinary. She's
Speaker 2: an amazing person.
Speaker 1: That says it all. That's I mean, that's exactly the
Speaker 1: feeling I got watching it. Not only she is, her
Speaker 1: commitment to you kids and to her husband your dad unwavering,
Speaker 1: but her faith was unwavering. Like so if the movie
Speaker 1: is true to your story, yeah, when everything was falling
Speaker 1: down around you, and you're sleeping on the floor on
Speaker 1: a pilot of clothes that she, you know, tried to
Speaker 1: make a bed out of. She was still thanking God
Speaker 1: for his blessings and not giving up, trusting that God
Speaker 1: was going to provide a way.
Speaker 2: The character that Kennis Cameron Beret plays is a lady
Speaker 2: by the name of case Smith, and she's still around.
Speaker 2: She's still a friend of Ows, and so I was
Speaker 2: chatting with her during the filming of the movie, and
Speaker 2: she came to set and so Kenna's got to meet
Speaker 2: the real k and you know, so forth and so on,
Speaker 2: and so she I'm doing an ePK interview with the
Speaker 2: real case Smith. And I said, hey, so tell me,
Speaker 2: obviously you've seen what's going on here, tell me how
Speaker 2: accurate this is, and tell me how accurate our mother's
Speaker 2: relationship with you really was. And she started laughing, and
Speaker 2: she goes, one day, I knew that your family was struggling,
Speaker 2: and I decided that I would go to the doorstep
Speaker 2: and put some groceries on there. And your mom opened
Speaker 2: up the door and she says, oh, well, why don't
Speaker 2: you come in and we'll have we'll have afternoon tea
Speaker 2: and she comes into the into the house, and Casey says,
Speaker 2: I realized you guys had nothing. And there was this
Speaker 2: brown corduroy couch in the living room at one point
Speaker 2: before we know things started to happen a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I commented on the couch, and she said, your
Speaker 2: mom nearly brought me to tears because she said, isn't
Speaker 2: God so good? Look the couch. Look at how it
Speaker 2: matches the actual decor in the rest of the house,
Speaker 2: which was incredibly ugly and depressing. And Kay left just
Speaker 2: shock astounded at the positivity and the hopefulness of my
Speaker 2: mom in those moments.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to meet her. I hope I
Speaker 1: have an opportunity this side of heaven to hug her
Speaker 1: and just thank her for setting an example of unconditional love.
Speaker 1: Unconditional love.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: We don't see enough of that in the world. I
Speaker 1: think it exists. I just don't think it's celebrated the
Speaker 1: way it needs to be.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: So what's it like for your family to have their
Speaker 1: life out there on the big screen, celebrated in in
Speaker 1: cinematic form. How many people are shocked that Rebecca Saint
Speaker 1: James is your sister. First off, because Rebecca Saint James
Speaker 1: was huge when I became a Christian, probably the biggest,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest name in Christian music back in
Speaker 1: the day. How many people were surprised to find out
Speaker 1: that she's your big sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had quite a few. I mean along the way.
Speaker 2: Early on, we didn't talk about it that much because
Speaker 2: I think people would be like, oh, that's why you
Speaker 2: got this opportunity to do music again, and so forth
Speaker 2: and so on. So it is still amazing pretty much,
Speaker 2: you know, every Q and A that we do before
Speaker 2: a show or whatever, it might be pretty much every still,
Speaker 2: every room that we go into, people like, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: I knew her just as you said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found out because I interviewed you guys a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Yeah, and somebody had told me,
Speaker 1: but it was then that it was confirmed. No, that's
Speaker 1: really your big sets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. And I think when it comes
Speaker 2: to what is our fan think, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, you don't ever think you're living a
Speaker 2: movie when a movie is made about you. You know,
Speaker 2: we were just a family that was trying to figure
Speaker 2: it out. I mean, I love to mow lawns when
Speaker 2: I was five years old, and I just thought it
Speaker 2: was because I saw my older siblings doing it. I
Speaker 2: just thought that that's what you normally did. I didn't
Speaker 2: think anything extraordinary of it. We were just surviving. I
Speaker 2: never thought to get paid for it, and that's that's
Speaker 2: what we did. And so I think that the family,
Speaker 2: ironically enough, probably enjoys being in some level behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: But I think that they would be wise enough to
Speaker 2: say that if our story can spur another family on,
Speaker 2: if our story can encourage someone else to be an
Speaker 2: unsung hero in their family, if if the story like,
Speaker 2: my mom is the least likely person to have a film,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of modeled after her, but that's just
Speaker 2: who she is. She's not someone who's trying to get
Speaker 2: a claims. She's lived behind the scenes her entire life.
Speaker 2: But her story matters and is meaningful to people, you know.
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of mothers, they feel like
Speaker 2: they're spending a lot of time doing things that don't
Speaker 2: count for anything. The truth is, I hope that people
Speaker 2: see the movie and they say, my effort changes generations,
Speaker 2: my effort impacts people, My effort matters, and I hope
Speaker 2: that people see an example of mom and just say, oh,
Speaker 2: it really does count for something. And I think most
Speaker 2: of the family feels a little bit similar to that.
Speaker 1: For me, it doesn't just inspire. The movie isn't just inspiring,
Speaker 1: or I think whenever you see something that you can
Speaker 1: relate to or connect with, where you go, oh, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, that's my story. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes in my life that have kind
Speaker 1: of filled that role of your mom, that have believed
Speaker 1: in me and have prayed for me. You don't have
Speaker 1: encouraged me. You know, they don't get the they don't
Speaker 1: get the awards, they don't get to where the fancy
Speaker 1: dresses at the awards ceremony and get the accolades. But
Speaker 1: they did the work, They did the heavy lifting, they
Speaker 1: did the believing in me when nobody else did. So
Speaker 1: when I was watching it, I was thinking of so
Speaker 1: many people in my life that are the unsung heroes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that one of my favorite stories is and
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could relate to this. And when the
Speaker 2: film is in kind of its rough form, you go,
Speaker 2: obviously you have a rough edit, and you kind of
Speaker 2: got roughly what the movie is. So it would be
Speaker 2: like a if you've written a book, it would be
Speaker 2: like the rough edit of a book. Do you have
Speaker 2: the story for the most part, but there's little nips
Speaker 2: and tucks you can do, and little things that you
Speaker 2: can fix up, and maybe you know, sound effects that
Speaker 2: can be improved to everything. Well, anyway, a friend of
Speaker 2: ours who works in the film industry, he said, I
Speaker 2: want to see the movie. And we were like, well,
Speaker 2: it's in rough form. You know, any new idea is
Speaker 2: very fragile. Do you really want to show it to
Speaker 2: a critical you know, you know, a person when it's
Speaker 2: in rough form. But we realized that we needed to
Speaker 2: get the film out and start to get some critical thinking.
Speaker 2: And so but this guy, it's not very happy, all right,
Speaker 2: he's not a very joyful person, and he was a
Speaker 2: little crusty, but he was like, I want to watch
Speaker 2: the film. And so anyway, we eventually kind of gave
Speaker 2: up and we're like, all right, well, come and watch
Speaker 2: come and watch the movie. And so we go into
Speaker 2: this little small theater we play in the movie. And
Speaker 2: what's the first thing that anyone does when they're walking
Speaker 2: out of the theater to see any movie. They turn
Speaker 2: to the people they went with and they say, what
Speaker 2: did you think? So we're walking out of the theater and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, man, you know what did you think?
Speaker 2: I'm bracing for it because this guy works on a
Speaker 2: lot of movies.
Speaker 1: We got the we got the picture. He's crusty, he's grumpy. Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of sarcastic.
Speaker 2: Probably, yes, yes, see, you're great at interpretating my stories.
Speaker 2: This is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Is he at least a believer?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Does he at least have that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got We've got God in common here.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's the only thing. So anyway, we finished
Speaker 2: it off and he wipes a tear from his eye
Speaker 2: and he says, I want to go home and be
Speaker 2: a better dad. Wow. And that was the first time
Speaker 2: I think I got I thought, oh, we might be
Speaker 2: onto something, because if dads are leaving going home and
Speaker 2: saying I want to be a better dad, moms are always,
Speaker 2: for the most part, the most extraordinary people. We have
Speaker 2: an epidemic of a lot of dads that are not
Speaker 2: great dads. We have a lot of dads that find
Speaker 2: a lot of their fulfillment from work and outside the home.
Speaker 2: Is where they find who they are. But the problem
Speaker 2: is is they're they're leaving people that need them. They're
Speaker 2: leaving people at home saying I need someone to call
Speaker 2: my dad. I need my dad to be an example
Speaker 2: of the type of man I need to be. You know,
Speaker 2: they need a lot of these daughters to look into
Speaker 2: their dad saying are you the type of men that
Speaker 2: I should pick to spend time with? And so when
Speaker 2: he said that to me, that was one of the
Speaker 2: proudest comments I've ever gotten, because, hey, he's crusty, sarcastic
Speaker 2: and all these other things. But if he can start
Speaker 2: to look at his own life and go, what if
Speaker 2: I make some changes? What a wonderful thing for people
Speaker 2: to be able to come and see the film and
Speaker 2: hopefully leave and take those things to hawk.
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Speaker 1: end of the movie shows what they're doing. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: the ones that are not on stage singing still have
Speaker 1: extremely it looks like wonderful lives and fulfilled lives. Is
Speaker 1: there any jealousy, any professional I wish that I, you know,
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Speaker 1: sing as well? As like, did everybody get the singing gene?
Speaker 2: No? Not everybody. No, we're actually great things. So I
Speaker 2: for Rebecca's career. You know, you may or may not
Speaker 2: know this the lot, but we were the road proof
Speaker 2: for a lot of years. So I was a lighting
Speaker 2: director at like fourteen, running lights for my sister. You know,
Speaker 2: all around the world, who's a Grabby award? Whin he gotus?
Speaker 2: It made no sense. Let me say, thank god, I'm tall,
Speaker 2: So people at least thought maybe this kid could be
Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen, and all of us we had those
Speaker 2: roles behind the scenes, so we got used to serving
Speaker 2: somebody else, if that makes sense. And the other thing
Speaker 2: is is most people think that if you're an artist,
Speaker 2: like well, you just got to be good on stage,
Speaker 2: and you and I Delilah know that there's so much
Speaker 2: more to this thing than just when we've got a
Speaker 2: microphone in our hands. So thankfully, all my siblings kind
Speaker 2: of actually respect that and would prefer not to have
Speaker 2: some of the responsibilities that maybe my sister or Joel
Speaker 2: and I have. My oldest brother, Daniel, is a lighting
Speaker 2: director and he's still to this day. He could probably
Speaker 2: this is how gifted he is. He could probably be
Speaker 2: the biggest lighting director in the world. He's absolutely a magician.
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, no, I just want to do
Speaker 2: it for you. And I'm like, well why, and he goes,
Speaker 2: because I believe in you. I just want to do
Speaker 2: it for you. And so he has other businesses. He
Speaker 2: owns a construction business, he owns a lighting rental business,
Speaker 2: and he literally almost sacrifices to come out. We pay him,
Speaker 2: We pay him well, he make more money somewhere else
Speaker 2: because he just he cares for me. He's one of
Speaker 2: my best friends on the road, and without his involvement
Speaker 2: with me out in the road, man, it becomes a
Speaker 2: lot more difficult if you keep coming down. My brother
Speaker 2: Ben has done most about music videos our entire career.
Speaker 2: He's a filmmaker as well. We made film together in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen called Priceless. I'm actually outside his office about
Speaker 2: to say hello to him before I go pick up
Speaker 2: my kids. That's we're still that close. Then you've got that.
Speaker 2: You've got my brother Joel, and you've got myself. And
Speaker 2: I've got my little brother Josh, who runs our management firm,
Speaker 2: and I view him as my boss. You know, my
Speaker 2: littlest brother. I used to work for him at one
Speaker 2: point and then under him. I've got our little sister
Speaker 2: who actually if you see the King Country Press, she's
Speaker 2: one of the people that helped design the cress. And
Speaker 2: so we're still class. I mean, look, here's the deal.
Speaker 2: Family's complicated, right. We have a functionally dysfunctional family, But
Speaker 2: I think most families are just dysfunctional. And I think
Speaker 2: for every family that might be listening to this, and
Speaker 2: you might go, I could resonate with dysfunctional part. That's
Speaker 2: just the way it is. But if you want your
Speaker 2: family to have the word functionally in front of it,
Speaker 2: you've got to fight for it. You've got to forgive,
Speaker 2: you've got to move on from the little petty things.
Speaker 2: The thing about forgiveness that I find ironic is someone
Speaker 2: always has to go first. Do you want health in
Speaker 2: your family, be the person that says, I'm going to
Speaker 2: apologize first, because it's amazing when you resolve conflict. The
Speaker 2: type of intimacy that takes place when you resolve conflict
Speaker 2: is extraordinary. My family is not a perfect family at all.
Speaker 2: If you go watch the movie, you'll see it very clearly.
Speaker 2: But we care for each other. When there's unforgiveness, we
Speaker 2: will do our best to forgive. We'll have the conversation,
Speaker 2: we'll have the phone call because we love each other.
Speaker 1: That what you just said, We've talked for over twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: That line that if if you forgive, if you make
Speaker 1: the step and forgive first, the intimacy that follows is priceless.
Speaker 1: That is across the board, that is in life, that
Speaker 1: is with God, that is with everybody, And that is
Speaker 1: so true, so true. I come from a family that
Speaker 1: has to be right, you know, that's our our family
Speaker 1: crest would be I'm right, damn it, I'm right, And
Speaker 1: when we will die on that hill of I'm right
Speaker 1: and you're wrong. So for me, asking for forgiveness or
Speaker 1: learning to forgive is very, very hard it's contrary to
Speaker 1: my nature. It's contrary to what I was modeled. It's contrary,
Speaker 1: but it's so important and it changes everything. So thank
Speaker 1: you for reminding me of that truth.
Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Everybody. Go see Unsung Hero. The soundtrack is amazing. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, the soundtrack is so amazing. I was enjoying
Speaker 1: the soundtrack is almost as much as I was enjoying
Speaker 1: the story, and just learning more about your family, Rebecca
Speaker 1: and for King and country, but mostly learning about your mama.
Speaker 2: My mom. Hey, this five boys in my family, two girls,
Speaker 2: five boys, and I can get emotionally even talking about
Speaker 2: that's how much we love her. If you see her
Speaker 2: walk in the room and the five boys are present,
Speaker 2: pretty much every single one, and we'll get up, go over,
Speaker 2: give a kiss on a cheek because she's that. She
Speaker 2: just means that much to us. We just love her
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 1: God bless you, God bless this movie. God bless your
Speaker 1: whole family. Go say hi to your brother, go get
Speaker 1: your kids, and have a blessed day.
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for the time. Very much appreciated the
Speaker 2: chat so far.
Speaker 1: Thank you, any boy. Unsung Hero, the movie chronicling the
Speaker 1: lives of the small Bone family and their move from
Speaker 1: Australia to the US is a faith filled experience. I
Speaker 1: hope you all get to enjoy. It's an amazing true
Speaker 1: story portrayed by a remarkable cast, and it's got an
Speaker 1: unbelievable soundtrack. So grab some friends, pack up the family,
Speaker 1: head to the theater for a PG rated movie night.
Speaker 1: Be sure to grab some popcorn at the concession stand
Speaker 1: before you head d and some tissue because you're gonna
Speaker 1: need it for showtimes, theaters and tickets. Visit for King
Speaker 1: and Country, where you'll also find the latest information about
Speaker 1: this group, about their tour schedule, about their merchandise, and
Speaker 1: the Unsung Hero inspired by soundtrack. For King and Country
Speaker 1: is touring this summer, first in New Zealand and Australia
Speaker 1: and then in select US cities in the month of July.
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity, do not hesitate to go
Speaker 1: to their show. It is sensational. They're drumming, they're singing,
Speaker 1: their stage performance, the lighting. It is powerful yet intimate,
Speaker 1: with a couple of guys with fantastic accents, huge arts,
Speaker 1: and immeasurable talent. Mother's Day may be behind us but
Speaker 1: hopefully you've resolved to show your appreciation to mom more often.
Speaker 1: Call her, ask her about her day, ask her about
Speaker 1: her childhood, ask her anything. Moms are people too. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we forget that the smallbones didn't and now we have
Speaker 1: them to thank for. Or this new movie unsung hero,
Speaker 1: and do me a favor. Take some time out of
Speaker 1: your busy spring schedule to slow down and love someone