WEBVTT - LUKE SMALLBONE: "UNSUNG HERO" 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.479 We are well into the marvelous month of May. A 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:14.280 lot to celebrate in May. My sister's birthday, my son 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.200 Al Hassan's birthday, both of his boy's birthday, my son 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.720 Tk's birthday. All this goodness. Mother's Day has come and gone, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.520 but I know the celebration of Mother's all mothers is ongoing. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.000 I was reading about the history of Mother's Day recently. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:38.159 Julia Ward Howe wrote appealed to womanhood throughout the world, 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:43.120 later known as Mother's Day Proclamation in eighteen seventy two. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.360 Back then, it was an impassioned plea, a reaction to 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.919 the carnage of the American Civil War and a recognition 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.600 of the sacrifices of mama's who had to send their 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.840 sons off to battle. How then asked for a Mother's 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.640 Day for Peace to be held in June of every year, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.759 but she was unsuccessful in her bid. Modern Mother's Day 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.520 was established by Anna Jarvis of Philadelphia in nineteen o 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.520 seven to honor her own mother, who had organized women's 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.720 groups to promote friendship and health. So, while this Mother's 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.119 Day was different in significance from the very first proposal, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.320 she was reportedly inspired by her mother's work with how 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.560 My takeaway is that Mother's Day is celebrated and recognized 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.880 in as many different ways as there are different mothers. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.240 But the heart of what it means to be a 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.679 mother is this sacrifice. That's what it means to be 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.040 a mom. Today's guest on Love someone is not a mother, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.280 but he has one, and she and her sacrifices are 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.400 the center of a big project that's recently come to fruition. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:04.720 Helene is the mother of seven children, seven very talented children. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.520 If you enjoy contemporary Christian music, you're probably familiar with 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.240 the names of three of them, Rebecca Saint James and 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.600 Luke and Joel Smallbone of the musical duo for King 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.480 and Country. Joel and Luke join me several years ago 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.800 when they had success with Thank God I Do. Today, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.040 Luke is back to talk about this new movie, Unsung Hero, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.240 which is basically about his mom, Helen, and her decision 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.920 to move their family six children and one on the 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.720 way to America after her husband, David's music company collapsed 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:49.200 in Australia. Helen's faith stands against all odds. She inspires 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.760 her husband, David and her children to hold on to 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.560 their dreams. With their own dreams on hold and cleaning 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.320 houses and mowing lawns to make meet. David and Helen 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.080 begin to realize the musical prowess in their children, who 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.440 had become two of the most successful acts in inspirational 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.200 music history. The movie, whose title comes from a four 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.720 King and Country song about Helen, opened in theaters on 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.399 April twenty sixth. It's been enjoyed by thousands of cinemagoers 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:26.120 by now. Adding to the fun, David Smallbone, the family patriarch, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:31.240 is portrayed by his son Joel Smallbone, and Luke with 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.720 Us Today is a co producer on this project. We'll 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.920 be catching up with Luke hearing all about Unsung hero today, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.240 but first I'm going to share a little love with 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.160 one of my own unsung heroes. A sponsor that makes 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.600 this podcast possible. Have you been looking for a milk 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:55.320 replacement because you have dairy allergies or sensitivities. Well, I 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:01.920 found one that's absolutely amazing. 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That's Sherry's Hazel Cream 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.080 and Love twenty four. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.600 Hi Luke, how are you doing? 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:35.400 I'm good. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.279 Welcome avoid Hey, thank you, thanks for taking the time 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:39.960 to hang out with me. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.760 Yeah, you're in your car? Where are you going? 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.560 You know? I was going to pick up my kids 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.640 from school, and so I was at this awkward point 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.159 of I can't quite go home and I've got to 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.880 get the kids, so I'm in my car. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.960 That's so funny. I was going to go plant flower 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:05.440 with my daughter today and my podcast producer set this 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.800 up for ten thirty, which would mean I would be 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.960 on a ferry and there is no internet reception on 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.880 the ferry, and I'm like, ah, do I go before? 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.080 Do I go after? 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:16.800 We're the same situation. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.680 I woke up this morning and it was pouring down 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.040 ray and I'm like, I ain't going to go playing 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.280 flowers today. So that solves that problem. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.320 That's right. Where do you live? Where were you going 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.400 on a ferry? Because that just sounds adventurous. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.640 I live in Puget Sound. I live outside of Seattle, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:36.440 and my farm is only about ten fifteen miles from 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.760 Seattle proper, but it's across the water, so you have 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.680 to take a ferry to get here. It's like going 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.400 to another world. Not to like Australia world. But it 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.200 really is. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.839 What I was going to say is I was going 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.520 to bring it around for a straight I've often said 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:56.080 that Seattle reminds me on a fair weather day, mind you, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.320 So I have to put that at a qualifier. So 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:04.960 much of Australia, just the water, the culture, the beauty. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.880 I've often joked that it's one of my favorite cities 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.000 in America. So you live in some good place. Now, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.040 I don't have the farm or whatever you're talking about 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.800 that you've got to go by water. That sounds even 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:15.720 better than Seattle. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.480 Here's where we differ. We don't have kangaroos or wombats 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.440 or true gigantic spiders that eat you. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.760 You know what's funny is the ones that eat you. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.760 You gotta worry about the small ones. See, the small 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.520 ones are poisonous. We have this spider called the funnel web. Okay, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.480 this will really creep you out. It can go into 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.560 the pool and hold its breath I believe, for three weeks, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.360 and if it bites you, I'm not saying you will 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.240 certainly die, but you should probably directly. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, you're gonna die. I love watching those videos, you 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.480 know where they're like like extreme Australia and it's just 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.720 like the scariest, creepiest things that God created all into 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.000 that in Australia. It's like, how can that be? 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.280 I was at Australia once and we're at out a 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.800 fam a friend's house of ows, and we're walking around 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.440 doing whatever. And my mom and I was probably decently young. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.320 I was probably eleven or twelve at the time. She 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.640 walks into the house and as she walks into the house, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.520 a brown snake goes right across her heels. She never 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.080 saw it was real quick, and I was like, hey, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.080 there was a snake right here. And they were like, well, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.320 what type of snake was it? And I was like, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.440 it was brown. I looked like this. They go, okay, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.679 that is what they call We're not very original with 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.040 our names. In Australia. It is called a brown snake. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.400 It is the second deadliest snake in the world. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.520 And it just slithered right over mom's foot. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.040 It just slithered right over mom's foot. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.520 Well, that leads us into this conversation because we're here 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.880 today primarily to talk about your new movie on Sung zero, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.400 and after I watched it, I saw some interviews in 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.360 some comments about your dad being an unsung hero, I'm like, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:05.000 this is the dad. I'm watching it like it's to me. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.720 It was such a such a wonderful story about your 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.559 mom's commitment to love and to faith and to her 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.880 marriage and to her kids. And correct me if I'm 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.480 wrong here, but she is like the unsung hero of 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:21.280 all time. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.400 So it's funny that you say that, because we should 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.640 just literally do a rebuttal to all those comments and 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.800 all those interviews, because you're exactly right. The film is 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.360 based around our mother's undying commitment to her husband who 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.440 was not necessarily always behaving the way he should, and 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:45.199 to her kids and leading and triumphing over incredibly difficult circumstances. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.960 You know, I've had a lot of people talk about 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.880 this film Unsung Hero that we were part of making, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.920 and you know, to provide a little bit of contents, 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.320 we were originally born in Australia. My dad brought over 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.960 a tour and he was a concert promono in Australia, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.839 brings over a to her. The tour doesn't go well, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:58.880 we lose everything that we have. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.400 Brings over a tour with a friend of mine that 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.360 I have known in love since I was like nineteen 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:04.960 years old. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:06.800 That's right, that's right. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.640 I just love her, love her, love her. So Amy 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.080 grew and you know, and here's. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.760 A little bit of a backstory to even that moment. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.280 I was talking to Amy the other day and I said, Amy, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.840 that tour that this film talks about, I was there 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.600 as a three year old child, and my memory is 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.520 this person that every keep everybody keeps calling. Amy is 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.680 so nice to me. That was my memory. So I 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.720 got to share that with Amy, which was very very sweet. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.079 But he takes a tour over just too. It doesn't 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.640 go very well. We lose everything we have. He gets 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.280 a job off at in Nashville, and we moved six kids. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.640 My mother uh six months pregnant at the time, and 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.120 when we come to America, my dad ends up losing 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.080 that job and we're stranded on the other side of 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.560 the world. I'm no friends, no family. We were sleeping 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.840 on beds made out of clothes, no way for our 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.800 little sister to be born, no car, not always quite 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.240 sure where the mixed meal was gonna come from. And 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.560 that is the context of my mother having to figure 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.160 out a way how does the family stay together? How 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.480 do we persevere? How do we make it in America? 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.640 And this obviously, this film Unsung Hero is about all that. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.600 It's about the strength of family. I believe in the 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.360 power of him. I think a family is more potent 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.640 and powerful today than it ever has been in the 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.000 history of the world. But we don't necessarily value it 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.400 as we should. And I think Mother Teresa sums it 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.160 up best when she says, if you want to change 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.800 the world, go home and love your family. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.760 Amen. Amen. So how much of the movie your brother 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.320 played your father and you were producing that. How much 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.679 of the movie is true to the depression your father 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.520 fell into and his unseemly behavior. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.800 Yeah, yeah, so I would say this. I think the 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.880 film is ninety percent accurate. I mean, we had to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.160 take there were so many things about this story that 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.160 my dad actually went through multiple scenarios of just getting 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.720 smacked in the face, so much so that if we 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.240 put them all in it was unbelievable. So we actually 0:11:59.240 --> 0:11:59.720 had to think. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.360 I would believe it. So you just mad want one 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.640 SmackDown instead of the five or six that it actually was. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.080 That's exactly right. So my dad says this, He said, Joel, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:15.840 you externalized everything that I was feeling internally my dad. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.240 If you go see the film my Dad, it kind 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.520 of has him as a little bit of a I 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.640 don't want to say a depressive character, but a little 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.320 bit of that, certainly feeling very helpless. My dad actually 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.320 is an optimist, but what we were showing was is 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.959 what he was feeling on the inside. And my dad 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.800 actually confirmed he's like, man, that's actually legitimately what I 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:38.079 was going through when we were first here in America, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.199 the depressive side of things. He did get to a 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.839 point after you know, my sister's record deal fell through, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.160 there was a moment where he couldn't get out of bed, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.760 probably only for a day or so. We make it 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.720 out in the field like it three four days. But 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.760 but that did, actually, that did actually. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.840 Happen because I got to say, while I was watching it, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.440 I was so empathizing with your I would have walked 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.200 out on him. I don't have you know, my marriage 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.280 record shows you. I do not have the patience of 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.679 your mother. She is a saint. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.520 We watched it. We were doing another promo event a 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.520 little while ago, and this lady comes up to us 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.559 and says, I watched that movie. Your movie last night 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.360 and we were talking all about it and was promoting it, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.280 and it was a radio program and we said, what 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.319 did you think? And she goes, I wanted to punch 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.440 your father in the throat. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.960 I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far, but I would. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.920 I'm honest. I'm being honest here. I you know, that's 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.200 It's why I've been to divorce court more than once, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:38.120 because I don't have that patience and that my mother 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.719 un dying love that your mother has my mother is. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.559 What I always say. Is part of the reason why 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.600 we made this movie is because I think that in 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:54.520 our society, we value the people that have microphones, audiences, crowds, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.080 and all of those things far too much. Our mother 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.040 did the invisible, unseen things that change my life, that 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.760 changed my generation, that I will never ever forget because 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:13.320 who she is is my mother is ordinarily extraordinary. She's 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.600 an amazing person. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.040 That says it all. That's I mean, that's exactly the 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:22.520 feeling I got watching it. Not only she is, her 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.720 commitment to you kids and to her husband your dad unwavering, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:33.000 but her faith was unwavering. Like so if the movie 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.160 is true to your story, yeah, when everything was falling 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.880 down around you, and you're sleeping on the floor on 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.680 a pilot of clothes that she, you know, tried to 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.240 make a bed out of. She was still thanking God 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.960 for his blessings and not giving up, trusting that God 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.120 was going to provide a way. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:56.240 The character that Kennis Cameron Beret plays is a lady 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.240 by the name of case Smith, and she's still around. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.960 She's still a friend of Ows, and so I was 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.640 chatting with her during the filming of the movie, and 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.920 she came to set and so Kenna's got to meet 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.880 the real k and you know, so forth and so on, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.520 and so she I'm doing an ePK interview with the 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.360 real case Smith. And I said, hey, so tell me, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.520 obviously you've seen what's going on here, tell me how 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.680 accurate this is, and tell me how accurate our mother's 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.000 relationship with you really was. And she started laughing, and 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.280 she goes, one day, I knew that your family was struggling, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.640 and I decided that I would go to the doorstep 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.360 and put some groceries on there. And your mom opened 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.560 up the door and she says, oh, well, why don't 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.600 you come in and we'll have we'll have afternoon tea 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.320 and she comes into the into the house, and Casey says, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.520 I realized you guys had nothing. And there was this 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.600 brown corduroy couch in the living room at one point 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.400 before we know things started to happen a little bit, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.160 and I commented on the couch, and she said, your 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.560 mom nearly brought me to tears because she said, isn't 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.000 God so good? Look the couch. Look at how it 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.880 matches the actual decor in the rest of the house, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:10.000 which was incredibly ugly and depressing. And Kay left just 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:15.080 shock astounded at the positivity and the hopefulness of my 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.040 mom in those moments. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.320 Well, I can't wait to meet her. I hope I 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.040 have an opportunity this side of heaven to hug her 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:30.160 and just thank her for setting an example of unconditional love. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:32.560 Unconditional love. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:34.320 That's exactly right. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.320 We don't see enough of that in the world. I 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.200 think it exists. I just don't think it's celebrated the 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:41.160 way it needs to be. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.200 That's true. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.920 So what's it like for your family to have their 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.840 life out there on the big screen, celebrated in in 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.840 cinematic form. How many people are shocked that Rebecca Saint 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.880 James is your sister. First off, because Rebecca Saint James 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:13.360 was huge when I became a Christian, probably the biggest, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.960 you know, the biggest name in Christian music back in 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.000 the day. How many people were surprised to find out 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.280 that she's your big sister. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.400 Yeah, we've had quite a few. I mean along the way. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.760 Early on, we didn't talk about it that much because 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.879 I think people would be like, oh, that's why you 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.359 got this opportunity to do music again, and so forth 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.440 and so on. So it is still amazing pretty much, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.480 you know, every Q and A that we do before 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.840 a show or whatever, it might be pretty much every still, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.280 every room that we go into, people like, wait, wait, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:43.920 I knew her just as you said. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.119 Yeah, I found out because I interviewed you guys a 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:52.239 couple of years ago. Yeah, and somebody had told me, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.760 but it was then that it was confirmed. No, that's 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:55.960 really your big sets. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.560 Yeah, no, it is. And I think when it comes 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.359 to what is our fan think, I mean, you know, 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.399 it's you know, you don't ever think you're living a 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.240 movie when a movie is made about you. You know, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.080 we were just a family that was trying to figure 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.800 it out. I mean, I love to mow lawns when 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.679 I was five years old, and I just thought it 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.800 was because I saw my older siblings doing it. I 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.840 just thought that that's what you normally did. I didn't 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.800 think anything extraordinary of it. We were just surviving. I 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.320 never thought to get paid for it, and that's that's 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.320 what we did. And so I think that the family, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:32.560 ironically enough, probably enjoys being in some level behind the scenes. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.639 But I think that they would be wise enough to 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.720 say that if our story can spur another family on, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.959 if our story can encourage someone else to be an 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.760 unsung hero in their family, if if the story like, 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.560 my mom is the least likely person to have a film, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.840 you know, kind of modeled after her, but that's just 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.680 who she is. She's not someone who's trying to get 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.760 a claims. She's lived behind the scenes her entire life. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.320 But her story matters and is meaningful to people, you know. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.919 I think for a lot of mothers, they feel like 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.400 they're spending a lot of time doing things that don't 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.600 count for anything. The truth is, I hope that people 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.879 see the movie and they say, my effort changes generations, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.360 my effort impacts people, My effort matters, and I hope 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.200 that people see an example of mom and just say, oh, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.800 it really does count for something. And I think most 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.960 of the family feels a little bit similar to that. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:27.760 For me, it doesn't just inspire. The movie isn't just inspiring, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:32.560 or I think whenever you see something that you can 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.680 relate to or connect with, where you go, oh, wait 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.359 a minute, that's my story. There are a lot of 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.560 people behind the scenes in my life that have kind 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.399 of filled that role of your mom, that have believed 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.159 in me and have prayed for me. You don't have 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.000 encouraged me. You know, they don't get the they don't 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.720 get the awards, they don't get to where the fancy 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:57.639 dresses at the awards ceremony and get the accolades. But 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.280 they did the work, They did the heavy lifting, they 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.840 did the believing in me when nobody else did. So 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.760 when I was watching it, I was thinking of so 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.119 many people in my life that are the unsung heroes. 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:17.879 Yeah, yeah, that one of my favorite stories is and 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.119 I'm sure you could relate to this. And when the 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.840 film is in kind of its rough form, you go, 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:25.800 obviously you have a rough edit, and you kind of 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.720 got roughly what the movie is. So it would be 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.600 like a if you've written a book, it would be 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.359 like the rough edit of a book. Do you have 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.320 the story for the most part, but there's little nips 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.119 and tucks you can do, and little things that you 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.639 can fix up, and maybe you know, sound effects that 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.280 can be improved to everything. Well, anyway, a friend of 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.600 ours who works in the film industry, he said, I 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.680 want to see the movie. And we were like, well, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.200 it's in rough form. You know, any new idea is 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:49.960 very fragile. Do you really want to show it to 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.640 a critical you know, you know, a person when it's 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.480 in rough form. But we realized that we needed to 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.840 get the film out and start to get some critical thinking. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.359 And so but this guy, it's not very happy, all right, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.560 he's not a very joyful person, and he was a 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.800 little crusty, but he was like, I want to watch 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.199 the film. And so anyway, we eventually kind of gave 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:10.600 up and we're like, all right, well, come and watch 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.120 come and watch the movie. And so we go into 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.520 this little small theater we play in the movie. And 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:17.960 what's the first thing that anyone does when they're walking 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.400 out of the theater to see any movie. They turn 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.840 to the people they went with and they say, what 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.200 did you think? So we're walking out of the theater and 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.400 I said, hey, man, you know what did you think? 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.879 I'm bracing for it because this guy works on a 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:31.560 lot of movies. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.600 We got the we got the picture. He's crusty, he's grumpy. Uh, 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:36.720 kind of sarcastic. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.399 Probably, yes, yes, see, you're great at interpretating my stories. 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:41.200 This is fantastic. 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:42.520 Is he at least a believer? 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:42.720 Like? 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:43.879 Does he at least have that? 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:44.320