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Speaker 1: Lance Metal. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: this next hour. We'll obviously get to your phone calls

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Speaker 1: and tweets, but say Kwon Barkley was officially named AP

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Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. We'll get into that during

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Speaker 1: the course of NFL Honors on Saturday night. And the

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Speaker 1: NFL season has officially come to an end with the

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Speaker 1: Patriots beating the Rams in a grinded out defensive affair

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Speaker 1: last night in Atlanta to win Super Bowl fifty three.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the Super Bowl and then we'll

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Speaker 1: make our way to some hardware coming the way of

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Speaker 1: the Giants. From an individual standpoint, this was an old

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Speaker 1: school mentality type of football game. Paul, and I know

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Speaker 1: that excites you. We talked about this throughout the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has the ability to tweak his game plan,

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Speaker 1: evolved his game plan, whatever terminology you want, and he

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Speaker 1: is so good at taking away opposing team's top weapons.

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Speaker 1: And you can argue that they did a great job

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Speaker 1: pretty much containing just about everybody on the rams. But

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Speaker 1: there are things we talked about that were common traits

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Speaker 1: to the next round and New England put the icing

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Speaker 1: on the cake. We talked about the teams that won

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Speaker 1: you gotta check mark there teams that then won in

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Speaker 1: the trenches on the opposite side, Paul getting after the quarterback, Well,

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Speaker 1: twelve quarterback hits on Jared Goff. The ability to stop

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Speaker 1: trenches on the defensive front, and also the ability. While

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Speaker 1: New England didn't light up the score, we want to

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Speaker 1: put points on the board. They were moving the football

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Speaker 1: and they were running the football and what did that do?

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Speaker 1: That milk the clock and that gave them an edge

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Speaker 1: in time of possession, wearing down the opposing defense. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's start with point number one. In all of in

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Speaker 1: postseason games this season, the team that won the trenches

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Speaker 1: won the game. We talked about that during each week

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Speaker 1: of the playoffs, and it was true all the way

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Speaker 1: to the final gun in the Super Bowl. Patriots won

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Speaker 1: the trenches, the Patriots won the game. It was really

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Speaker 1: very simple. Let's go to what the Giants can learn

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Speaker 1: from all of this. It's really Dave Gentleman's football one

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Speaker 1: oh one. Old school philosophy is exactly the way to go.

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Speaker 1: Gentleman says, run the ball. Well, let's give you some

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Speaker 1: numbers here. Patriots run the ball thirty two times for

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four yards four point eight yards of carry.

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Speaker 1: Stop the run, rams eighteen carry sixty two yards three

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Speaker 1: point four yards of carry. Number three, get to the

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Speaker 1: are the three things that Dave Gentleman is preaching he

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Speaker 1: tries to rebuild the Giants. Well, guess what those three

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Speaker 1: things will help you win Vince Lombardi trophies because old

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Speaker 1: school still wins. Folks. Video game football, Nope, you don't

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Speaker 1: get the ring for video game football. You want to ring.

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Speaker 1: You want a Vince Lombardi Trophy. Old school is still best,

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Speaker 1: and I salute the Patriots. I'm not a Patriots fan,

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Speaker 1: but I salute the Patriots because Bill Belichick decided old

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Speaker 1: school football is best. Old school football still wins, and

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Speaker 1: it did. Patriots threw the ball thirty five times and

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Speaker 1: ran it thirty two times. What's the B word? Lance? Please? Balance?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Balance? Balance is best with a capital B. Oh.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Patriots have a packet passer who doesn't

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Speaker 1: It all starts with your offensive line. And exactly what

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Speaker 1: you look at this draft, you look at this offseason,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots just proved that old school still works now.

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Speaker 1: one of my biggest takeaways from this game. Grant did

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Speaker 1: players have to execute, Paul, But what I don't think

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Speaker 1: They pounded the football. Even though they weren't great on

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Speaker 1: It's not just Bill Belichick hitting all the right buttons.

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Speaker 1: against teams that won their division that season, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Guys? Everything going dud? Right, Antonio? What's

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Speaker 1: And another thing too is why aren't we just letting

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. Our best wide receiver live in the slot?

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Speaker 1: Is it like a pride thing that the best receiver

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Speaker 1: has to play the outside? No, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a pride thing at all. I just think it's a

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Speaker 1: matter of also the other personnel you have on the

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Speaker 1: field and where they're best suited to line up. A

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Speaker 1: guy like, for example, Sterling Shepard, who we've seen work

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Speaker 1: out of the slot, and you know, you can't have

437
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Speaker 1: multiple guys playing the slot simultaneously. Everybody's got to spread

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Speaker 1: out on the field. So I think that's part of

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Speaker 1: the rationale. And to me, the biggest difference to answer

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Speaker 1: your question is execution. Yeah, you're right. New England, you know,

441
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: relies on short passes yard you after the catch. They

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Speaker 1: execute much better than most teams. And they also the

443
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: Giants were not running the football like the Patriots have

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Speaker 1: been over the last few seasons. That to me is

445
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Speaker 1: a huge disparity between both of the teams. That's why

446
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Speaker 1: New England at least is able to progressively move the

447
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Speaker 1: football down the field because they stay in some manageable

448
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Speaker 1: third downs because they don't go for the home run

449
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Speaker 1: and they'll take three or four yards on the ground.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that with a variety of different backs.

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Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead was involved yesterday, so with Sony Michelle, James

452
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Speaker 1: White did not have a big role, which was personally

453
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Speaker 1: a surprise to me. And there's been other games where

454
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Speaker 1: James White's doing the heavy lifting. So they mix and match,

455
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Speaker 1: but they always usually have good results on the ground.

456
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Speaker 1: The Giants have not done that consistently over the last

457
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Speaker 1: few years. You remove the run game, it's very difficult

458
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Speaker 1: to constantly convert on third down. Now, Um, what would

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Speaker 1: do England offensive line? Do you guys know? More or less?

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Speaker 1: Where were they ranked coming into the year? Well, there

461
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Speaker 1: is no such thing as an official NFL ranking. It's

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Speaker 1: a matter of what's in the eye of the beholder.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could look up the stats in terms

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Speaker 1: of you know, sacks allowed and rushing yards and they

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Speaker 1: were certainly up there respectively amongst the peers across the NFL,

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Speaker 1: especially the playoff teams, I mean New England. If you

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Speaker 1: just look at from a scoring perspective, the Patriots had

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Speaker 1: the top for scoring offense in the NFL. So it's

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Speaker 1: not as if there was a huge disparity between the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Rams, the Saints of the Patriots. They were right

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Speaker 1: up there in terms of the scoring. There is a

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Speaker 1: website called Football Outsiders which does a very detailed analytics

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Speaker 1: statistical breakdown. Now again, you guys know, I don't strictly

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Speaker 1: like to go buy what analytics people say or what

475
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Speaker 1: some of these grading people say, but you can certainly

476
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Speaker 1: look at it, chew on it, and maybe add some

477
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Speaker 1: salt to it, and then have your own interpretation. So

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Speaker 1: I will give them a pop here. Football Outsiders said

479
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Speaker 1: that the top four offensive lines based on their statistical

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Speaker 1: computations were the Rams, the Saints, the Patriots, and the

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Speaker 1: Colts in that water. Based on their computations, again, they

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Speaker 1: have a mathematical um projection that comes out a ranking

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Speaker 1: based on yardage, number of plays you lost, yardage stuffed ratio,

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Speaker 1: positive yardage, sacks, pressures. They put a bunch of mathematical

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Speaker 1: things together into a formula to come up with the

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Speaker 1: ranking that they do, and they said that the Patrio

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Speaker 1: its third best in the regular season. One last thing, guys,

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Speaker 1: um the league. It's a copycat league. We all know

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Speaker 1: that the Patriots just finished winning the Super Bowl based

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Speaker 1: on the run. Do you guys think this changes anything

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Speaker 1: from this college spread for Mason that we're currently having

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Speaker 1: the NFL, You guys think that did affect anything? And

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Speaker 1: I'll pick the answer off the line. Have a great one, guys,

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Speaker 1: All right, Antonio, appreciate the phone call. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Patriots solely one with the run game. I think

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Speaker 1: that the run game was successful, so I don't really

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Speaker 1: think it's going to change the conversation. No matter how

498
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Speaker 1: great you are, how prolific you're passing game is, you

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Speaker 1: still need to have some semblance of the run game.

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Speaker 1: You look at the Rams. The Rams were a high

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Speaker 1: octane passing offense, but Todd Gurley and C. J. Anderson

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Speaker 1: were very effective and you saw that earlier in the

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Speaker 1: postseason with how much success they had against the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys in the Divisional round. You look at the New

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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. Drew Brees and company were able to throw

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Speaker 1: the football around and mark Ingram and Almedcimaro were also

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Speaker 1: very successful on the ground. So I don't think once again,

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Speaker 1: New England taught us anything new by rolling through to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. If anything, they re emphasized and reinforced

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Speaker 1: Paul the importance of balance. So if you watch New England,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden as eighties of well,

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Speaker 1: now we gotta run the ball of the time. You

513
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Speaker 1: just need to make sure that you're keeping defenses on

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Speaker 1: their toes. And that's what New England is so effective

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Speaker 1: in doing. Really, all New England did with his Super

516
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Speaker 1: Bowl win is just reinforced the fact that all these

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Speaker 1: old school theorems and all of these old school philosophies

518
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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about football one oh one for

519
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: ages still come into play and still give you the

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Speaker 1: best chance to win. You don't have to be some

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Speaker 1: video game youngster who has coming up with all these

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Speaker 1: different schemes and all these different fancy diagrams and all

523
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Speaker 1: of these crazy ways to use personnel and all of

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Speaker 1: these you know, crazy legged quarterbacks to win that Lombardi Trophy.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots showed you that old school still wins. That's

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Speaker 1: really the lesson to be learned here, and that you

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Speaker 1: have to win in the trenches on both sides. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the offensive line. New England deserves credit for

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Speaker 1: its defensive front as well. They got after Jared Goff,

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Speaker 1: they flustered him that entire game. I think the trenches,

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Speaker 1: as we discussed, in all eleven postseason games, the trenches

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Speaker 1: decided the winner in each one of those games. And that,

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Speaker 1: to me is probably the biggest reinforcement of anything that

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Speaker 1: we saw during this NFL postseason, is that if you

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Speaker 1: take care of business in the trenches, you have the

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Speaker 1: best chance to win, period. And I think over the

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Speaker 1: last few years there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: have gotten away from that theory. This NFL postseason should

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Speaker 1: have hammered home the facts and should have allowed people

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Speaker 1: to understand that old school is still best. And here's

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Speaker 1: what's very interesting about our point with respect to the trenches,

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Speaker 1: New England actually finished. Interestingly enough, Paul tied with the

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Speaker 1: Giants in total sacks this regular season. New England was

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Speaker 1: not racking up the sacks this year, but it reminds

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Speaker 1: me of when we've seen the Giants go through deep

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Speaker 1: postseason runs. Things clicked once they got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They were aggressive and they were consistently getting after the

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Speaker 1: opposing quarterback. And here's the other thing. Don't look at

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Speaker 1: the sacks, because you and I were talking before the show, Paul,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback hits, twelve quarterback hits on Jared Goff last night.

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Speaker 1: That is a much better indication than how many times

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Speaker 1: they actually got home. They forced them out of the pocket,

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Speaker 1: they forced them to hold onto the football. That also

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Speaker 1: speaks volumes with the secondary. They got hits. They got

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Speaker 1: it bats against Jared Goff, as I like to call it,

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Speaker 1: and thattt ward him down, that wore him down, and

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Speaker 1: that got him to think throughout the course of the game.

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Speaker 1: I had said the other day, and I think I

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Speaker 1: was on with John and not you. At the end

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Speaker 1: of last week, I said, listen, it's great if the

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Speaker 1: Patriots get let's say three sacks, but if it's three

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Speaker 1: sacks on five quarterback hits, that's not nearly worth as

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Speaker 1: much as if they only get two sacks but ten

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Speaker 1: quarterback hits. The cumulative effect of the quarterback hits and

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Speaker 1: the way that they had that third year quarterback looking

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Speaker 1: like a deer in headlights was very impressive. The schematics,

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Speaker 1: and here's the thing. The schematics was simple, Belichick said

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Speaker 1: after the game. We we knew exactly what we were

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Speaker 1: going to do. They simply said they were going to

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Speaker 1: tie up Gilmore on Cooks, okay, and they were going

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Speaker 1: to double Um, the other receiver for the Robert Woods. Woods.

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Speaker 1: He said, we were gonna double Woods put Gilmore on

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Speaker 1: Cooks all day. That's it. Because Belichick's philosophy is always

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Speaker 1: we're going to take away your best threat and then

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Speaker 1: we'll play with the rest of the guys. But we're

576
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Speaker 1: gonna take away your best guys. So what does he do.

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Speaker 1: He doubles Woods, singles up Gilmore his pro bowled corner

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Speaker 1: on Cooks, and then in the front seven simply change

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Speaker 1: up the blitz combinations. It was really very fundamental. What

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Speaker 1: Belichick's genius is that he can go back to the fundamentals,

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Speaker 1: the simplest of fundamentals, and not outthink himself and just say, guys,

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Speaker 1: execute this very simple plan. It's core, it's basic, but

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Speaker 1: it will work if you just execute. And that's what

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Speaker 1: they did. On defense, I thought it was brilliant. And

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Speaker 1: on offense, the fact that Sue and Um and Donald,

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, they were a non factor. Well,

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Speaker 1: they were running away from those guys, and at times

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Speaker 1: they let them come through so that they would over

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Speaker 1: commit and then it played right into the hands of

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. There was a lot of that. Again, Belichick

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, saying, Okay, everybody

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Speaker 1: says that Donald and Sue are going to be our

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Speaker 1: death blow. Those are the guys we have to stop.

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Speaker 1: Those are they as we have to control? How can

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Speaker 1: we minimize their impact in the game. It was so

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Speaker 1: simple and they executed well. I said before the game

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Speaker 1: that I thought New England was gonna try to neutralize

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, bring him towards a place where you can

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Speaker 1: get him a lot of attention, you could take him

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Speaker 1: out of the game. And I thought, if the Rams

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Speaker 1: are gonna win this game, Paul, it would have been

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Speaker 1: the combination of Dante Fowler, Michael Broncker's and and Dominican

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Speaker 1: Sue having very disruptive games. And you barely heard from

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Speaker 1: those three combined in terms of game changing, explosive types

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Speaker 1: of play. So you know that was another reason why

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Speaker 1: New England was able to grind out this contest. The

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Speaker 1: other part of their winning strategy. You talked about the

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Speaker 1: matchups with New England secondary and the Rams wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Balance. Belichick, just like he took Tyree

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Speaker 1: Kill and Travis Kelsey out of the a f C

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Speaker 1: Championship game, statistically, guys did nothing. I think his focus was,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a game that Jared Goff is

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Speaker 1: going to have to win. Young quarterback, uncharted territory, big stage.

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Speaker 1: I want to see him have to throw the ball

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Speaker 1: forty some odd times consistently make plays. So Belichick said,

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Speaker 1: we're taking away Girly, We're taking away C. J. Anderson.

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Speaker 1: You can tell me all you want how Girly didn't

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Speaker 1: get as much playing time, and I'll give you that.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is the Rams only ran the

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Speaker 1: ball eighteen times. Goff thirty eight pass attempts. Then he

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Speaker 1: was sacked four times, forty two pass plays to eighteen runs.

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Speaker 1: Then we talked about Paul thirty two runs of the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and then Brady was sacked once. Along with the thirty

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Speaker 1: five pass TIMPs, thirty six passes thirty two runs had

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Speaker 1: is much better balance than what the Rams brought to

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Speaker 1: the table here, no question. And then when you look

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Speaker 1: at the fact that Cook's had eight catches for fine,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. Much like he told the Giants Bellichick did

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Speaker 1: in Super Bowl. Let Thurman Thomas run for a hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: We'll let Cooks catch your hundred yards. He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: beat us if we don't let him go deep. His

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Speaker 1: longest reception was twenty four yards in the game. And

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Speaker 1: just think about this. He also had, speaking of Brandon Cooks,

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Speaker 1: two opportunities for touchdowns. One I thought Jason mccordy I

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Speaker 1: would have given him the m v P. And I

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Speaker 1: don't care if that sounds like hyperboleic how great was

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Speaker 1: that play? He's trailing on the play he recovers and

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00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: he wasn't committing a penalty. Everything was in the book.

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Speaker 1: Broke up that pass in the back of the end zone.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one. You can argue Gilmore that

642
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: was past interference. I would have thrown a flag. Bottom

643
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: line is then an opportunity to overcome it. Like I

644
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: say about any penalties. Got through an interception on the

645
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: next play, but even with him being held down, Cooks

646
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: with one arm by Gilmore still had an opportunity to

647
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: hold onto the football and could not, so they prevented

648
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: him from making those game changing turning point type of plays.

649
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: That was big. It's one thing to allow a guy

650
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: eight catches hundred twenty yards, and there's another thing to

651
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: say we kept him out of the end zone and

652
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: we didn't not allow him to come back to bite

653
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: us or come back to haunt us. And that was

654
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: the case earlier. Lost in what you just said is

655
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: a very important point, and I want to a point

656
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: and I want to make it right now. John Parry

657
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and his officials crew did a terrific job in this

658
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: game because they let both sides play. I'm really one

659
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to see thirty penalties in every game,

660
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: and I gotta admit I had a little bit of

661
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: trepidation that after the Saints fiasco, that these officials might

662
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: call every tikie tack foul in the books and we

663
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: wind up with thirty penalties in this game. That is

664
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: not what happened. They let both sides because I thought

665
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: there were a number of times where there was either

666
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: holding on the secondary early hit, um you know, some

667
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: borderline calls that could have been made, and the officials

668
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: ate the whistles on both sides and said we're gonna

669
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: be leading into here tonight. We're gonna let both teams play.

670
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, to me, that's more into painting because it

671
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: allows the players on the field to make the plays themselves.

672
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: Overcome a little bit of the hand fighting, a little

673
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: bit of the clutching, a little bit of the contact,

674
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: overcome it and make the play. If you're a champion,

675
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: you'll make the play. I thought that that fear was

676
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: pretty much just out of the overreaction of what transpired

677
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the Saints game. So and the

678
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: reason being that I wasn't too overly concerned because, as

679
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I said, it's not the first time there was a miscall.

680
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: It certainly won't be the last time there's a misscall.

681
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Were a product of what have you done for me

682
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: lately society where we overreact to what happens now and

683
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: we forget about what occurred during the course of NFL history,

684
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: where there were tons of misscalls and tons of missed opportunities.

685
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: But we all then moved on to the following season

686
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: and the officials in the league went about its business.

687
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: So I don't see this being any different. Before we

688
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: head back to the lines, matt Our, producer a great

689
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: job finding the breakdown of the vote, so this was

690
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: a close vote. Paul Barkley got twenty six and a

691
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: half votes and Mayfield twenty one and a half and

692
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: that's highly contested vote there. And then Quentin Nelson got

693
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: two votes, so at least somebody gave him some respect.

694
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: But there was a significant drop off after Mayfield. But

695
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Matt Nagy got twenty four votes and

696
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn I think got twelve, who was the runner

697
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: up for Coach of the Here, that's a wider margin

698
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: than what we're talking about here for offensive rookie. There

699
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: the interesting part about the ap NFL working the year voting,

700
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: and we discussed this, I believe last week. I'm pretty

701
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: sure it was you and not John, that they don't

702
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: have a first, second, and third place. They do not, which,

703
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: as you know, in some leagues and some voting systems,

704
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: there'll be a point system whereby even like with the

705
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball m VP and Cy Young, they have

706
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: ten point system age each guy fills out ten people

707
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: on his ballot and the point system goes from ten

708
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: to one, and you don't necessarily have to get the

709
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: most first place votes to become the winner. You might

710
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: just have a greater balance total your total points exactly. So, uh,

711
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: the ap NFL workie to your voting, and I think

712
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: the MVP voting is the same way. It's strictly you

713
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: get one vote one guy, and the worker has the

714
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: most gets the award. So I'm just glad Barkley guy,

715
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: and I have no problem with them each getting one vote.

716
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean to me, sometimes it just gets too convoluted.

717
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: You first place vote, second place vote. You go to

718
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: the ballot in a normal election, Paul, what do you do?

719
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: You have one vote? That's it. That's true. Isn't that

720
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: the principles of democracy? So I don't see why sports

721
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: should be any different considering I think sports is somewhat

722
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: of a microcosm of society. Let's head back to the lines.

723
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: Roy is in Florida. Roy, Welcome the Big Blue Kick

724
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: Off Live. What do you have for us? Hey? How

725
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: you guys doing today? Very well? Roy, what's on your mind?

726
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this season upcoming. Um. Towards the

727
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: second half of the season are often started really picking

728
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: it up. UM, So that has me thinking about possibly

729
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: either I mean, m Dwayne Haskins with the first pick

730
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: or possibly something on defense to to we could actually

731
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: lock up these fourth quarter leads or second half leads

732
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. I wanted to see you guys opinion on that,

733
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: and how excited are you guys for the next season

734
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: for the draft coming up. Well, I think that we're

735
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: just digesting the end of the regular season. I don't

736
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: know if I'm necessarily in full excitement of draft mode. Roy,

737
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing

738
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: in your first statement with respect to the direction of

739
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: where the Giants are gonna go in the draft. Defensive

740
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: line is one of the deepest positions, Paul, and we

741
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: talked about this in the wake of the Senior Bowl.

742
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: In this draft, so you really are going to have

743
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: a number of, to me, game changing type of players

744
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: to choose from. However, that doesn't mean that just because

745
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: you're picking sixth overall and you figure that there may

746
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: be good value in the second in the third round,

747
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: that you should pass on somebody if you think there

748
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: is somewhat of a drop off. See that, to me,

749
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: I think is what constantly gets thrown in whenever you say, oh, well,

750
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: the running back classes deep. For example, in previous years,

751
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: oh so that means that you don't have to each

752
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: for somebody high in the second round, because you can

753
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: get somebody in the fourth round. But that doesn't mean

754
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: that there's not necessarily a disparity between somebody get in

755
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: the second round versus somebody getting the fourth. And of

756
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: course that ignores the fact that there might all of

757
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: a sudden be a run on backs, of course, and

758
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: nobody's around. It's a very good point. Absolutely. Look, I've

759
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: said all along and I still believe this. If the

760
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Giants have a guy in their cluster at six who

761
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: is a pass rusher in the front seven, or an

762
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, particularly a right tackle, who is in that cluster,

763
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: and the you know, to me, that's the way they've

764
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: got to go at number six. I've made it clear.

765
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a quarterback at six. I'm not even

766
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: sure I'm taking one in the second round. I might

767
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: consider one, but i'm not. I'm certainly not going in

768
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: thinking about it. And um, you know, hey, I don't

769
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: line is this. Uh, They've got eleven picks, and I

770
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna stay with those eleven. I think

771
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 1: they're gonna move I think and move up some They'll

772
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: move down some they get him and might wind up

773
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: making three or four trades on draft Day. Don't be

774
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: surprised or even in the days leading up to it.

775
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: He's going to be aggressive because we both agree, and

776
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: I think John does as well. There's no way they're

777
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna pick eleven guys. They're not using all those pairs, no,

778
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: because they're not gonna make their roster anyway. So I

779
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: mean to me, you might as well put two and

780
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: two together and hopefully try to move up to maximize

781
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: the value of some of your picks. With with respect

782
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: to once again, you know what direction should the Giants

783
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: go with the sixth overall pick. It's always a combination

784
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: of need and value. If you were to ask me

785
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the priorities going into the offseason, and remember, you know,

786
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: my viewpoint could very well change depending on what they

787
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: do over the course of free agency. With that being said,

788
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: I would always argue you can never have enough depth

789
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: in any position. But right now, I think if you

790
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: look at what some of these playoff teams did and

791
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: you look at where the Giants are lacking, the pass rush,

792
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: to me is something that jumps right off the page

793
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: here and bringing in somebody to compliment Olivier vernon adding

794
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: another rotational defensive player that they can mix and match with.

795
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: If you are at six and you think there is

796
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive lineman still on the board,

797
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: I'd say it would be very difficult for me under

798
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: those circumstances to pass up on a player like that,

799
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: because I think that's a guy that's gonna be a plugin,

800
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: guy that could play immediately in year one Paul, and

801
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: it's also somebody that helps fill a need, but you're

802
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: also getting great value at the same time. So to me,

803
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: it's three check marks right there. Well, I think the

804
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: other day John and I got a call and the

805
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: guy said, hypothetically, if you're at six, Haskins, Jonah, Williams,

806
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: and Ferrell are all on the board at six, who

807
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: would you take? And I said, well, right now, I

808
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: would probably take the Clemson defensive end to be honest

809
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: with you. And again that assumes if you're the Giants.

810
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: What would the Giants do? Well, the Giants are gonna

811
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: look and see where those grades are, and if they're

812
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: all razor thin difference between them, I'd like to believe

813
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: they'd go for the front seven pass rusher with what

814
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: but but if they were for the offensive tackle, I

815
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't cry. No, neither would I because you could argue

816
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: that the right side of the offensive line there, it's

817
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: an area of this team that they're looking to improve

818
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: and looking to upgrade, and this way they'll get more

819
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: depth if a starter from last year then becomes that

820
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: swing type of offensive lineman. But here's another thing to

821
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: keep in mind, and this goes back to what I

822
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: said about free agency. Yes, you do want to see

823
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: what this team does in free agency first, Paul. But

824
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: at the same time, Dave Gentleman, at his end of

825
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: season press I remember, said there were times where he

826
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: was drafting Carolina and he would take defensive lineman in

827
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: the first round, and then he came back around and

828
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: he took another defensive lineman in the second round, and

829
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: he said people looked at him like he was crazy,

830
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: like he was nuts, and they were criticizing him. And

831
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: his response was, you can never have enough depth because

832
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: you don't know how injuries and so forth they're gonna

833
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: play out. So the reason I'm bringing that up, let's

834
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: say the Giants go out and grab a defensive lineman

835
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: in free agency. Let's just play the hypothetical game. Does

836
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: that mean that all of a sudden a defensive lineman

837
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher is not in play at number six or

838
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: high in the draft. No, I still that player is

839
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: very much in play because of his philosophy when he

840
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: was here originally with the Giants, as well as when

841
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: he was making the decisions in Carolina. Well as we

842
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: also said, the Giants were at their best when they

843
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: won those two Super Bowls during the conflent era, when

844
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: they had multiple pass rushing You know, wasn't O C

845
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: and straight hand or O C straighthand and tuck or

846
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: O C and tuck or O C tucking JPP, fucking JPP.

847
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to have at least two guys.

848
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: There's got to be at least a dynamic duo. If

849
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: you can have three us even better, three is really

850
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: and if you have four, you're sending pretty They had

851
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: three during that rotation of those two Super Bowl years.

852
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: In fact, quite honestly, very underrated guy coming off the

853
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: bench was Dave Tollison, who during that one Super Bowl

854
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: season had I think five and a half sacks. He

855
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: was defensive end number four. No, you're a percent right, Paul,

856
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm an agreement there. I think Philadelphia is another good

857
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: example last year in their Super Bowl run, Paul, they

858
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: had four even five guys that Jim Schwartz was like

859
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: plugging in and plug it out. That's why come the

860
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, why do you think the biggest difference in

861
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: that game was the sack on Brady and the four's fumble.

862
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: Because those guys were fresh, he was able to bring

863
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: in players that had some juice in their legs. The

864
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Fletcher cox Is, the Brandon Graham's, the Chris Longs, the

865
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Barnets of the world who unfortunately lost dude injury this season.

866
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: I just named your four right there, and you could

867
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: argue that they had a few other hidden gems that

868
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: they were able to bring in. You need quality depth

869
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: in this league, specifically on the defensive line, because if

870
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: you want to get home at the quarterback and you

871
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: want to beat up the opposing offensive lines, you need

872
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: to know that come the fourth quarter, guys are not

873
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: huffing and puffing, and the teams that have success are

874
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: the ones that have multiple options. So that's to me,

875
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: is not just a recipe to beat Tom Brady and

876
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots. It's a recipe to beat anybody in the NFL.

877
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. Coach Marvin is

878
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: in Delaware. Coach Marvin, what's happening today? Are you doing?

879
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Lance doing all right? What's on your mind? How you

880
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: both an apology? I was right, I was wrong New England. Uh,

881
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: it took everything they wanted to do away and Uh,

882
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I thought that the Rams were pretty much used to

883
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: utilize the whole skill to kind of neutralize them. But

884
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: they had a great grant um game plan. And but

885
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: I did say that I thought that that Dowingland wouldn't

886
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: blow him out. And I thought that, uh, the Rams

887
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: did have a pretty good defensive game point. They didn't

888
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: really give up the point, and they took them out

889
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: of that red zone pretty much in that bold Yeah,

890
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: until the very end when they scored the touchdown. And

891
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: all the Super Bowls have been decided by eight points

892
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: or less with the exception of this one. You know, coach,

893
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: the bottom line is and and and really when it

894
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: comes down to nutcutting time, and this is always going

895
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: to be the case, you have to execute. And I

896
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: think you know, obviously you're you're coaching prowess understands what

897
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: we said during the first half hour of the show

898
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: how simple the Patriots game plan was on both sides

899
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: of the ball. Ultimately, though, if Belichick's players don't execute

900
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: at a high efficiency rate that game plan, no matter

901
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: how smart it is and how simple it is, it

902
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: may not win the game. Right And that's true, But

903
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought a little it takes a little bit of

904
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: the other team too, of them, not you disrupting what

905
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: they're doing, but you can cause them to be um

906
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: not execute what they want to do. And I thought McVey,

907
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: being the genius as everybody labeled them, didn't. They didn't adjust.

908
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the game and I'm saying, i gotta

909
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: find no way to help my king. Belichick's taking everything

910
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: the way, which was if you look at it from

911
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: when I when I was watching it and they showing it,

912
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: it was a long route. If you look at the

913
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: teams they beat sand A, Go, Kansas City and now

914
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: the Rams, which I didn't know if New England could

915
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: do it, but they did. He's a long route running

916
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: team they didn't really have. He was that runs great

917
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: route lie Odell Beckham style. They they had guys that

918
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: were TV and straight line runners, and I think that

919
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: hurt them because all the rands were doing the play action,

920
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: play action, play acter. Then you're not getting in the

921
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: yard when you run the ball till the play accidents

922
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: like it, it didn't matter. You're right. And and when

923
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: you do the play action, what was golf doing turning

924
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: his back to the coverage? Then when he turns back around,

925
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: the coverage change, no question, But you don't coach. It's

926
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: funny because the same thing the zero blitz that hurt

927
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: Mahomes at the end of that Kansas City game. Remember

928
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: when Belichick brought out that zero blitz and I should

929
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to against slightest defensive staff.

930
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Obviously they all work in unison. But Bellis Belichick brought

931
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: out that zero blitz in the Kansas City game like

932
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: he did earlier against the Charges the week before. They

933
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: knew just want to bring it out. And again it's

934
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: a big problem and it was one of the turning

935
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: points in the game. And he did it a game yesterday. Well,

936
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: it's it's your Tennessi's um, Paul. The Tennessees of those

937
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: teams were all the same. He knew when they were

938
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, he knew when to bring it because

939
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: you don't know what to throwing the ball. You can

940
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: bring that all you want. Don't mean it's gonna get this.

941
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: But if I know you're doing a certain thing and

942
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna disguise a blitz to come after you

943
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: and I hit it, it's because I knew what you

944
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: were doing. And that's the problem. And I kept thinking,

945
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: why don't they go no huddle? Maybe they don't have it,

946
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: rush it everything up, beat it up so that whatever

947
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: Belichick is doing, he can't help you because I'm beating

948
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: up the game. And I always thought that when I'm

949
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: watching a game, I'm not coaching against the other coach.

950
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm coaching against his kids. Whatever you taught them and

951
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 1: whatever they studied for, I gotta disrupt that. I gotta

952
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: say to myself when I'm me and my step were like,

953
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: these guys are not smarter than us, So we gotta

954
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: figure out how to get to them, not to them,

955
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: to them, show them something they've never seen. If you

956
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: watch certain games, you can go back remember when Miami

957
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: came up in New England, and I've seen this plenty

958
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: of times in my years living in New People, and

959
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: they came up with that wildcat there was nothing Belichick

960
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: could do for them with Ronnie Brownie company. You look,

961
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: you look at the Eagles game when they went got

962
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: down into that red zone with that Philly Special whatever

963
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: they want to call it. They had no clue what

964
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: was going on. Coach Coach Marvin I remember Bill Parcels

965
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: used to tell us all the time. The best teams,

966
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: the teams that are usually going to be on top

967
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: and can do what it is that they need to

968
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: do to win, are the teams that can impose their

969
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: will on the opposition. They are not the teams that

970
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: are gonna react and that are going to, oh, get

971
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: too fancy and get too schematic. No, No, those are

972
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: the teams that are going to be your champions. Are

973
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: the teams that are gonna say, look, this is what

974
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. It's not much of a secret, but

975
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it to you, and you can't stop

976
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: us from doing it. And that and that goes back

977
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: to what you said before, Paul. In the trenches is

978
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: where your will is taken on the thing, not at

979
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: the running back spot. At the quarterback spot completely sets

980
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: the tone well in the Rams offensive line did not

981
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: play a good game there's nothing there's nothing wrong with

982
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: saying that the Rams offensive line was solid this season,

983
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: but they had their worst performance of the years. So

984
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: that goes back to, you know, Sean McVeigh trying to

985
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: make adjustments and Jared Goff reading the defenses. The bottom

986
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: line is he didn't have a lot of time. He

987
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: was constantly pressured and that was one of the best

988
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: offensive lines all season. So you have your bad games

989
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: here there, and unfortunately for the Rams, it was the

990
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: worst possible timing. Real quick, Two more things, Um, you

991
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: were talking about the referees, there was two things, and

992
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: that they did a good job, but there was two

993
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: calls I didn't like. There was a holding call that

994
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: ballack a girly run that was John Sullivan. I think

995
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: it was three to three or ten three. That was that.

996
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a hole thing, right. And

997
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: the first one was the opening drive. Um, the Rams

998
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: was playing aggressive. They saw a screen pass and they

999
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: hit the guy as soon as he caught the screen

1000
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: paths and they got him to hitting a defenseless defenseless

1001
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: that he didn't establish himself as a runner. Yeah, I

1002
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: had no idea what they're talking about talking about. So

1003
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: he's had to catch it and then he let him

1004
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: make a move. Are you kidding me? I don't know what. Well,

1005
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: because it was one of those. It was one of

1006
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: those bang bang plays and if you looked at it,

1007
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: it real speed. But he caught the ball land he

1008
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't Well, I'm not denying that, but what I'm what

1009
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying is what I what I'm saying, Coach Marvin,

1010
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: is if you watch that at full speed from the

1011
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: ref's perspective, it looked like a bang bang near helmet

1012
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: to helmet type of hit. I mean that was my

1013
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: initial was like. And then you see the replay like

1014
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: everything else which I've said about controversial calls, and it

1015
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: provides a completely different angle and lens, but they're not

1016
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: seeing it the way we're seeing it on our couches.

1017
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: So you know, that's the bottom line. And listen, coach,

1018
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you do. You have one other quick point,

1019
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: what real quick Living in New England, the one thing

1020
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: they always talked about is going to the championship game

1021
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: getting the bot, and Paul is exactly right. Lance, You're

1022
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: not totally You're not wrong, but I don't think you

1023
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: understand what he's saying, look at the courterbacks that they've

1024
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: been Well, that's what I said. I did say that

1025
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: Miami has beaten them fluky times. Mostly they fluked if

1026
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: you look at it, and and the rest of the

1027
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: teams haven't. The only time they had a trouble is

1028
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: when Brady gets to the Earth and when a good

1029
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: quarterback was planned and that guy was the threat far

1030
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: when he showed up, that's the only time they gave

1031
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: them trouble. You also had Mark Sanchez and a good

1032
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: Jets defense with a running game too, where New England

1033
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily dominating. But that's not that's not taking anything

1034
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: from New England. But they don't play a tough schedule.

1035
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: You say, well, you don't. People say they have to

1036
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: pay the teams. If you look at the schedule every

1037
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: year they're that good. It's only like two or three

1038
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: teams that really can give them trouble. Well, but well,

1039
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: first of all, they lost to five teams this year

1040
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: that didn't even make the playoffs. So that's another example

1041
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: of the parody of the NFL. So I mean to me,

1042
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: there's not a huge disparity between New England and the

1043
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: rest of the league. The execution level is what separates

1044
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: New England from the rest of the league. And they

1045
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: still play ten teams outside of the division. Their schedules

1046
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: no different than the rest of the balance of the

1047
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: league schedule. They're playing the same teams that the rest

1048
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: of the ANFC East is playing, that they're playing the

1049
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: other two divisions that they don't play with the top

1050
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: seeded teams that finished the previous year. So it's not

1051
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: as if New England's getting a free pass compared to

1052
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: everybody else, is what I'm saying. What do you mean

1053
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: because the hold on, I gotta chop him down. The

1054
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: other teams in the NFC and the a f C

1055
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: East have to play the Patriots twice a year. That

1056
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: means their schedule is tougher than the Patriots. Yeah, but

1057
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots are still playing ten games outside of the division.

1058
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: What do you mean? It doesn't matter six cular two

1059
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: games that they're playing against the tissue paper teams in

1060
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: the EAT, but that help them that that's first of all, listen,

1061
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: tissue paper is to me a ridiculous take and appreciate

1062
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: the phone call. They're not the best way to do

1063
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: it is. Look at the last five years, pull up

1064
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: the schedule and look at those teams they played, and

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00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: Paul is right, is he not? You're right in the

1066
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: way too, but they do have an easy way. Listen,

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00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna agree to disagree from that front.

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00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: And appreciate the phone call, Coach Marvin, thanks so much

1069
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: for weighing in. Let's head back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland, Len, what's happening? Welcome to

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00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: the program. Yeah, hey guys, how you doing well? For?

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00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: For me, the best thing about today's game was it's

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00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: it's it's over. When we're on to two thousand nineteen,

1074
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: and um, you know, planning for next season, and here's here's, uh,

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00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, hypothetical, the one that might be interesting. How

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00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: about Giants and Patriots? The Giants have to play in

1077
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: New England next year? How about Giants and Patriots on

1078
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: that Thursday night game to open the season. I'd like that.

1079
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. That the rumors are

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be Bears Packers because of the hundred

1081
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: anniversary of the league, and that the Sunday night game

1082
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: is probably going to be the Patriots against somebody. So

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00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: I would say that's highly unlikely that that that's what

1084
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm hearing through the rumorville. That doesn't mean it's going

1085
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't see that. Um. Um, you know,

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: on on the on the offensive line or the so

1087
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: called trenches that you guys keep referring to, and rightly so. Um,

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00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you simplify the game, I mean, it's

1089
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: blocking and tackling. It just always has been, always will be.

1090
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: You you know, talk about imposing will all those sorts

1091
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: of things. But you know, when the end, he gets

1092
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: down to who's blocking and who's tackling. And you know,

1093
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: the Patriots best offensive lineman, best offensive lineman didn't play.

1094
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: Yes that in fact, he didn't play all year. It

1095
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: may very well be last year's first round draft choice,

1096
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win, who almost like it will be a starter

1097
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, gives them another offer. Yes, it sure does.

1098
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: It sure does. And one other thing. You know, it's

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00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: interesting now, well we talk about the play of the

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: offensive line yesterday on the Patriots from you know, from

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: the Patriots point of view. Um we we we don't

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: talk about individual players. I mean, it really didn't make

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00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: any different. Can you pick out the best offensive lineman

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: on the Patriots yesterday. It wasn't about an individual, it

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00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: was about how well they the offensive line played as

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00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: a team. I mean, it was really pretty good. Absolutely, Land,

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00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you a thousand percent. But if we're

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00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: going to talk about how Donald and Sue did not

1109
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: dominate the game as the Rams needed them to, you

1110
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: have to start with Andrews at center, and you go, well,

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: I would, I would go there, but as you know,

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: I have a bias about the centers. You know, I

1113
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: I want an anchor in the middle for the Giants.

1114
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: But you know, there was something about the scheme, and

1115
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you talked about a little earlier by you know, letting

1116
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: Sue and Donald do what they want to do and

1117
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: can do best, and that is run right by the

1118
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: ball carrier, you know. And you know, so the scheme

1119
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: helped a little bit. But you know, I agree that

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Speaker 1: the guys inside probably if I had to pick one,

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00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: it would probably be Andrews. But then there's there's a

1122
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: bias there. I want the last couple of years, I'm

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: what was looking at the centers. But the team concept

1124
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: is so important with the Patriots. Um, you know, there's

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00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: no all pro players on that line. And you know,

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00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: you've you've gone through the number of times lands where

1127
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: they came from, uh, including Brown getting you know, picking

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: up Brown during the dry last year. Uh, you know,

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: the play left tackle and and they then then went

1130
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: ahead and drafted another tackle in the draft with when

1131
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: so um. You know, it's a pretty unique system that

1132
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: they've got up there. Uh. You know, we we keep

1133
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: referring to Belichick as a genius. I don't know if

1134
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: he's a genius or not, but he's he gets the

1135
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: most out of his guys, and it builds up toward

1136
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: the end of the season. They're playing their best when

1137
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: they get to the playoffs. And and Paul, I don't know,

1138
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to it again because

1139
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: we've talked about it enough today. But I don't know

1140
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: if that has something to do with the fact that

1141
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: they come out of their division. You know, if you

1142
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: look at the average all those numbers that you laid

1143
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: out lats, it's it's it averages five and one. They

1144
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: come out of the division five and one, and next

1145
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: year it's hard to believe that it won't be six

1146
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: and oh. But you know, in any event, they seem

1147
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: to roll through the season, they get to the playoffs

1148
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 1: and they're playing there. They're just playing their best ball

1149
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Is it really is a remarkable of thing.

1150
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: You guys have any comment and out or well, I

1151
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 1: can say it's you know, let's go Giants. Well onto

1152
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, let's get some players. But you have

1153
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: anything on my last comment there? Well, I think the

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: Patriots of today are much like the Yankees of the fifties,

1155
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you, No, seriously, okay, some

1156
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: in some in some circles, people think the regular season

1157
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: is nothing more than the preseason for them, much like

1158
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: people used to think the Yankees didn't have their season

1159
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: start till October. Yeah, good point, good point. All right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go Giants. Let's put together a good group. Let's

1161
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: fill in the trenches. Hey, one, one one, just quick

1162
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: thing and you don't have to answer it now, or

1163
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: maybe take it off the air. If the Giants, you know,

1164
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: including backups, if the Giants had five new offensive linement

1165
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: on the team next year, would you be totally surprised,

1166
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: extremely surprise, line and appreciate the fall. I don't see

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01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: them having five new offensive lineman. I mean, even if

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Speaker 1: you take it the consideration the backups and some starters combined,

1169
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: that to me is a very big number that I

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01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: would be surprised to see. I mean, I could see

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Speaker 1: two to three new offensive lineman. No, that's possible. Five

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Speaker 1: that seems like a lot. Well, if you keep nine, right,

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: if you keep nine, you figure four starters or potentially

1174
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: already in place new starter maybe at right tackle. Okay,

1175
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: So that would be one. Al right, so there's one.

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01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna have to keep four other offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: to be your backups. You figure the loser at the

1178
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: center battle is going to be one of them. Uh,

1179
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: you figure reeler is probably gonna be the backup tackle. Okay,

1180
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't be a new one. That would just

1181
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: be somebody providing that. That would leave room for two

1182
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: more new guys. So that's what potentially. Yeah, So that's

1183
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to me. Two to three I think

1184
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: is more feasible than five. I think three is probably

1185
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: a very realistic number, and maybe four on the outside maybe.

1186
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: And John Hallapeo, let's not forget about him going to no. No, Well,

1187
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: whether it's same or Pulley correct, time will tell and

1188
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: and they could very well both be back on the

1189
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: team because you need somebody that could also be a

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: guard slash centers before your next call. Jimon Brown needs

1191
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: to be resigned. Well, that remains to be seen depending

1192
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: on what happens in free agency, and we've got to

1193
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: get through that first before the draft. That's one of

1194
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: the reasons why when somebody asked us, if we're overwhelmingly excited,

1195
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: let's get through free agency first before we get to

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Speaker 1: the draft. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the bi Blue KIGOGLF Live. What he first? Ahi, guys,

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Speaker 1: you're Scott. I have a question, and I know it's

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Speaker 1: we're short on time, but I don't think what New

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Speaker 1: England did yesterday can be too overstated. They're simply remarkable

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: in what they accomplished. So my question is this, Uh,

1202
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: can you make an argument that they're the best sports

1203
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Speaker 1: franchise pretty much of all time? And I'm including sports

1204
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: like basketball and baseball. I know the Yankees obviously, uh,

1205
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: Austin Celtics, etcetera. But what they've done in the modern

1206
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: era and over time is just outstanding. I didn't root

1207
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: for them yesterday, but you have to give them their due.

1208
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: So I was just curious from your perspective either one,

1209
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: if you can consider what they've accomplished to be um

1210
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: makes them sort of like the top dog or the

1211
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Speaker 1: best franchise basically in sports. You got to look at

1212
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: what the Boston Celtics did in the NBA for all

1213
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: those years, and maybe Bill Russell and company you basically

1214
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: penciled them in to uh the championship round. I'm not

1215
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: a big fan of crowning a franchise the best in

1216
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: professional sports. There's nothing wrong with simply saying New England

1217
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: their dynasty is the most impressive in NFL history, and

1218
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: we could leave it at that. But you know, the

1219
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: Celtics certainly come to mind in the NBA. Well, the Yankees, yes,

1220
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Speaker 1: I mean in baseball, yeah, absolutely, I mean the Edmonton Oilers. Uh,

1221
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: the Islanders had a nice run in hockey too, when

1222
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: you take that into consideration. I'm not saying that they

1223
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: went to nine, but there's a number of other teams.

1224
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: The Lakers, but with the CBA and everything else and

1225
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: the rule changes, oh of course has done is just outstanding.

1226
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: I just know I'm trying to think of all and

1227
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you the you know, there's teams that one,

1228
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Speaker 1: including the Pittsburgh Steelers that won multiple Super Bowl Yeah.

1229
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: But what the WATON does with the personnel and with

1230
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: the CBA rules, I just think is just makes them

1231
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: as I said, uh, not necessarily head over heels over

1232
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: everybody else, but certainly up there is to be in consideration. Well,

1233
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Speaker 1: based on what you said, Scott, that's why I consider

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01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: New England's dynasty the most impressive in NFL history, because

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Speaker 1: I think when you take it to consideration, to your point,

1236
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: the landscape of the league back in the eighties and

1237
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: the nineties and even earlier when there was no salary cap,

1238
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I will still argue you can make the

1239
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: case that realistically, four or five teams had a legitimate

1240
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: shot of winning the Super Bowl every year. It wasn't

1241
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: as widespread as it is today. For me, it started,

1242
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: It started with the Steel Curtain, and that would have

1243
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: been number one, you know, as far as I'm concerned.

1244
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: But now this Patriots dynasty has eclipsed them. How can

1245
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: it not? What they've done and he as he said,

1246
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: under different rules which make it supposedly impossible to have

1247
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: a dynasty because of the turnover on the roster, the

1248
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: limitations to resign your top players, all of those economic

1249
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: restrictions make it extremely impressive because it's not as if

1250
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: New England, with the exception of Brady and a few

1251
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: of the guys here there, they're going with a new

1252
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: roster just about every year. I mean, they lose a

1253
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: lot of their nucleus. So that to me is what

1254
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: makes it extremely impressive about this. They had a salary

1255
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: cap during the steel Curtains era, with all the Hall

1256
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: of famers they had on that roster, how many of

1257
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: those guys would have taken bigger contracts somewhere else and

1258
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: would have not stayed together. They wouldn't have been able

1259
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: to keep the Steelers together, right, Well, I was just

1260
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: interest to that point. Then I know you're sort of time.

1261
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Speaker 1: So I'll thank you for your insight hearing more about it, absolutely,

1262
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: and thanks so much for weighing in. I think it's

1263
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: a very fair question that Scott asked. I just would

1264
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: rather have the conversation within the context of the NFL

1265
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: and not necessarily all of professional sports, mainly because and

1266
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: I think Scott hit the right of the nose. The dynamics,

1267
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: the economics are different from sport to sport, So that's

1268
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: more of a reason why I don't like comparing it.

1269
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: You know, just like people are now obsessed with having

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Speaker 1: a debate. Is Tom Brady the greatest professional athlete in

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Speaker 1: all of sports? The guy just wanted six super Bow?

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Speaker 1: Can we let it breathe? Can we really let it breathe?

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Speaker 1: I had to vent because I, like, I can't stand

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Speaker 1: the minute he wins it. Now we have to have

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Speaker 1: the debate to crown the individual. Can't you just enjoy

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Speaker 1: the fact that he wanted six super Bowl and leave

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Speaker 1: it at that? In nine appearances, the impatience of society

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Speaker 1: today is truly remarkable. I'm not saying I'm surprised, but

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Speaker 1: I just had to get it out there anyway. That

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Speaker 1: is gonna wrap up things for us here on Monday's

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Speaker 1: edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. Certainly appreciate everybody for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. We'll be back up in running tomorrow noon Eastern,

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Speaker 1: as well as we start to officially move into free

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Speaker 1: agency mode. There's gonna be a time period now where

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Speaker 1: the franchise tags will be handed out, so we'll certainly

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Speaker 1: be tackling all that and more moving forward in the

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Speaker 1: upcoming days. A reminder Big Blue Kickoff LIE presented by

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Speaker 1: Amazing Giants Prizes for Paul Detino. I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your Monday right here on giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: Have a god one