WEBVTT - How Black Film Expands Our Imagination | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:04.400 with Resent Choice Media. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.400 Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.800 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.760 We're here for this week's mini pod. I am your host, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.800 Tiffany Krost, along with my co host Andrew Gillham. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:18.840 I'll be honest with y'all. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.040 We did not plan what we wanted to talk about, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.040 but I was like, let's just say record, because I 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.920 always have things I want to talk to Andrew about. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.760 Uh, they're always okay. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.319 Well, the one thing I wanted to talk to you about, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.960 to be honest, Andrew, is Sinners. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.080 But you have not seen it yet. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.360 I have Ryan Coogler's you know I haven't. I have 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.080 raved in all the news about how much it's earned. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.080 Oh my god, you know it's it's top slot debut 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.199 and all the hate. Help me you talk about the substance? 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:47.480 Yeah? 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.920 Can you please bring me to speed on why is 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.199 this so great? Why are I don't. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.880 Want to spoil it? I think, and I don't want to. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.360 I don't want to talk about it a lot because 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.320 I want us to have a deeper conversation when you 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.720 once you've actually seen it, Because The symbolism and history 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.520 in this film is just beautiful and it's the movie 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:02.600 we need. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:03.960 Right now for this moment. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.959 But I surmise that because a lot of the coverage 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.360 for the film, you guys, the opening weekend, it was, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.160 you know, this film gross sixty five million, but Warner 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.520 Brothers paid X amount of dollars, so long, long way 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.759 before it's profitable. And what a strange way to frame 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.720 a successful movie, you know. And that wasn't the only one. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.320 There was headline after headline that kind of downplayed its success, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.080 that cautioned excitement around it. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:33.840 And I had not seen the film. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.959 Once I saw the film, I said, ah, okay, now 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.800 I see they're like we did. I have all these 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.760 black folks going to watch this film, And because a 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.920 lot of the people who liked it who don't look 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.480 like us, I was looking like, I wonder what you're. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:48.360 Getting out of the film? 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.760 What did you When did you understand this film do 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.600 and mean? And it was I felt the same way 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.320 about get Out. I'm like, all these people who love 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.560 get Out, I'm like, when of the Kardashians saying, I 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:58.880 must they love get Out? 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.200 I'm like, we missed most precisely what did. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.680 The Kardashians love about get Out? 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.920 You know? And it was kind of like that with Cinner. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.080 So we'll have a deeper conversation around it. But I 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.600 think I think a good conversation we could have, if 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.640 you want, is what goes into black and brown creativity, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.720 because when the things that I've seen happen, like Master 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.079 of None with Asiase I'm sorry, was one of the 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.880 best shows. I mean, it was just so well done. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.080 That's how we came to know Lena Way. I mean, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.320 it was just a really well done show, and it's like, yes, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.600 that's what happens when executives get out the way and 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.040 just let brown people create. On some of our shows 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.080 that we've seen insecure, I would say, is a show 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:43.560 like that love Craft Country? 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.120 My god, love Craft oh man? 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.640 And why did that go away? Okay, struggling? 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.880 The second season of love Craft Country was going to 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.760 be called Supremacy. I'm so mad me And so the 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.519 reason why I've heard is HBO executives describe Misha Green 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.240 as different cult, which of course makes me like, anytime 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.760 you start describing us as difficult, I want to know 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.200 what exactly the situation was. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.680 Yeah, I want to know what did they disagree with 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.200 you about? What did they say no? 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.200 And you know, Ryan Cougler with Centners, like he broke 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.920 the bank on these people, and you know, to me, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.280 whatever he got paid, it wasn't enough. They're going to 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.360 more than make their money back on this film. But 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.360 it also just cast a wide net of influence over 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.320 creators when we support high quality work and the level 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:38.080 of detail that Ryan Cougler paid to this film. There's 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.520 a moment where you'll see Chinese characters who are Southern 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.240 Chinese folks living in Mississippi, and you know this Andrew that, yes, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.960 that is a part of Southern culture in Louisiana. There's 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:56.440 a huge Vietnamese community, you know, after the railroads, and 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.600 you know kind of like how these populations came to 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.400 be and how they came to be shaped. Follow a 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.680 platform next next Shark on Instagram that gives api history. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.600 So I don't know. I say all that to say, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.960 we're in a very unique moment in history where we 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:13.160 are side eyeing. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.080 Other communities, you know, where it's like, I don't know, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:16.640 you might have voted for this man, and I can't 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.520 really rock with you, like I gotta go insular and 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.480 only deal with black people, only talk to black people, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.960 And I certainly feel the most comfort there. But I 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.520 just I know people within the ap PI community who 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.000 who fight against anti black sentiment, who fight against racism, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.000 who are allies, like I have given them the title 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.160 of ally. They've earned it and I've given it to them. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.720 I know people in the Latino community who also are 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.840 black folks. Y'all, there are there's Latino, there are black people, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.440 and then there are black Latinos. There's a venn diagram 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:53.160 Latino own precisely in Dominica, in Port and everywhere there 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.760 are black you know, the the slave ships stopped everywhere 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:00.440 and some people, you know, you have Afro Colombian and who. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.120 Was on that ship, by the way, looked different in 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.440 different places, and some places they were Asians who were 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:09.960 on uh those slave ships or under indentured servitude and 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.240 still treated and and employed on the slave labor. You 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.320 talked about, you know, the railroad and the building of that, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.120 the connecting of the East and the West, and how 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.440 it is that you know, Asians occupied so much of 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.600 these rare places that you would find, you know, these 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.800 buckets of community on the creative piece, because I don't 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.479 think of myself as a creative and am certainly not 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:39.760 implied to to to to even think so. But I 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.599 I have been watching or watched rather and I don't 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.640 know which app it's on, but it interviewed all of 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.640 these black actors, first the men and then the women. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.039 Oh god, if y'all have it, which which platform is that? 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.120 On that apple? 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.320 We'll give us some money because we're given y'all whole 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.000 free commercial. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.120 I just I just got to say, I was so 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.440 moved watch it and drawing the tears and other forms 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.320 of emotions as I listened to these a list black actors' 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.479 names that we would all know, you know, you know, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:20.600 off the dome, and how they reflect on their experience 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.880 in an industry that wholly didn't value. And I say 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.440 didn't as if it's past tense. I think it's it's 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.920 still true, don't value, but certainly you know, in the 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.640 moments that they're reflecting on, it's clear didn't value. I 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.599 mean Angela Bassett and that Tina Turner biopic. I'm still 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.760 mad when I was reminded, you know, of the slight 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.880 of hand that that that she was handed at that 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.680 time for acknowledgment of the hard work that that's required 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.080 that our folks do. But I think, Tiff, in so 0:06:54.160 --> 0:07:02.640 many ways, our creatives make it look so seamless, almost 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:10.600 so effortless, like you underappreciate the amount of energy, effort, concentration, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.440 discipline that they had to exhibit to get that job done. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.720 And study it's so underappreciated. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.240 Like Viola Davis is a Juilliard graduate, and she talks 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:25.400 about studying at Juilliard and how, you know, having to 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.360 learn different dialects, you know, having to learn the British dialects, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.800 having to learn Southern dialects, and it's like, well, why 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.880 didn't white people have to learn different African dialects? You know, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.880 like why did we center whiteness in our craft? And 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.640 it's so true the way that that's centered in everything. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.520 We were talking a bit this week on the podcast 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.080 about you know, cable news executives, you know, and and 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.440 still what is centered is white perspective, white life. You know, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.360 even when you talk about evangelical so white is silent. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.840 You know, you assume evangelicals are with Trump because you're 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:03.000 only thinking about the Billy Graham wing of evangelical in film, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.400 you're only thinking about white perspective. You know that famous clip, 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.280 infamous clip of Tony Morrison being interviewed and the woman saying, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.320 but you don't sent her white people in your books, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.160 as if that is the starting point, you know, like 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.680 you're can we I have? 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.120 And also when they in politics, before you leave those 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.360 examples and politics, when we say the real America, get 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.360 out and talk to real Americans and what people commentators 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.160 and analysts mean when they say the real America, what 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.080 black people are working blue collar jobs and are disaffected 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.679 in all parts of this land. Yet you got to 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.480 go to the heartland quote to meet real Americans. Yeah, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.360 that they don't exist. Real Americans don't exist in cities. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.840 Yeah yeah, real Americans. That I'm so offended by that 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.920 entire notion. But that is like the thought process that 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.480 that's the defining thought process for so many people. But 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.560 I have a request one. I want you to see 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.800 Sinners so we can do a whole mini pie. But 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.600 Centers has me so inspired. I would like us to 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:15.080 rewatch Lovecraft Country. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.680 To rewatch I'm down there and watch it. I thought 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.360 it was I thought it was powerful, and I can't 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.200 I couldn't believe that the viewership if that were it 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.560 was so was so lackluster that it wouldn't It was 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.800 so beautifully done the acting girls. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.319 But there's a woman who also plays in Centers and 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.480 I don't know how to say her name, but she 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.640 is so strikingly beautiful. She's actually British and I don't 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.240 know where her country of origin is from, but she 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.719 was born in the UK, and I'm gonna look it 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.240 up because I want to give her her flowers. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:57.560 I know her name, every everything I've seen her amazing. 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.920 If there were a talent who is who was underrated, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.280 it would be her amazing. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.160 And she loves you. Remember we ran into her at 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:09.960 tammeron Hall Show. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:15.720 I know I'm a fan, but I'm a sincere fan 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.680 of her craft, of her Workie what you know, Jerny 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.199 Smilett another one who I. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.400 Thought I love Craft Country and her sister is played 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.520 by woone Me Mosaku. I forgive me if that's not 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.480 how you say her name, but woon me Osaku, who 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.240 got the Chicago accent very like, she did it very well. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.679 Uh in Center, she got that Mississippi Southern actvert. I mean, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.280 she's just an amazing actions but strikingly beautiful. I just 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.120 can't stop looking at this woman. I think she's I 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.920 just I think we're gonna see more of her. But 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.520 I would like us, Yeah, I would like us to 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.640 rewise The love Craft Country because it was one of 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.000 the most beautiful pieces of television I've ever seen, and 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.000 it really tapped into my imagination. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.480 Is shaped how I saw. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.880 Things the Name Yourself episode that Sensor and I was 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.640 new Ellis. I don't want to give it away if 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.520 you all haven't watched its years old, though, I feel 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.120 like we should be able to talk about spoilers, but 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.280 I would like you all to watch. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.080 It with Yeah, dig in, dig in. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.360 So it is so good, Jonathan Major. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.880 It's mind shifting. Yeah, that's what creatives should do. Like 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.320 we always talk about the imagination and how we reach 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.160 a whole nother level of like the imaginative and the reimagining. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.080 They did that for us in reset a context and 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.679 a set of experiences historically based in some cases otherwise 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:35.240 you know, in some instances derivatives of It's powerful. And 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.840 I think that they're the ones who put peel the 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.160 scales off of our eyes and allow us to see 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.600 things more beautifully if you you know, to imagine things 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.040 more beautifully. And I thank them for that. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.280 Yeah, that's true. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.320 Just we are we offer our gratitude for what they 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.200 do on the screen, what they bring to their craft 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.040 a seriousness. When you see BTS footage of Ryan Coogler 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.439 on all of his films, from Fruit Station Uh to 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.719 Creed to Black Panther to Sinners, he is involved at 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.880 the molecular level, you know, like he is that his 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:16.000 hands are stop everything he is, from the cinematography to 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.359 the type of film they shoot on to the actors 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.400 working closely with the actors and the storyboard, and he 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.840 puts such thought into it. And I think anytime that 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:31.600 you're devoting that level of detail to your craft, that 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.200 we owe you our attention. You know, I'm not at 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.280 the theater like this on my phone. I'm not you know, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.520 chopping onions in the background. At home, I sit and 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.960 honor the work of the folks who poured their heart 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.200 into it, and so I don't like going. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:48.520 To the theater. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.720 Stand Barry Jenkins to be similar, you know, a Miami Boy, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.080 but and and and then you know the Lion King 0:12:55.200 --> 0:13:00.920 and and even in illustrations and playful ways, still incorporating 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.040 the richness of us. Like if you get the subtext, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.760 you know, they don't make it hard for you to 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.679 be able to access it. But if you if you're 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.320 willing to get the subtext, it just it makes your 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.079 spine stiffen a little bit, you know, when you when 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.079 you are consuming that kind of thing, it's like, all right, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.960 I see I hear myself. I see myself. This is 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.120 not some caricature of who I am, but rather a 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.719 more true reflection. It's empowering, especially when you get to 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.440 see it on you know, on a big screen. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.120 You know you have an appreciation for film the way 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.320 I do, because we will at random act out an 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.120 entire scene and you know totally, you know all the words, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.680 the intonation in everything. We both are very we are 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.360 into content. I just thought about that as we're talking 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.360 about this. Yeah, we did a whole Andrew and I 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.320 were walking in Midtown, New York and acted out the 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.160 entire scene of dream Girls. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.840 I don't I was like, I'm trying to think what 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.240 which was it was? 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.880 I only got it's so ridiculous. I don't even remember, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.680 but it was so ridiculous. But that's not what We've 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.360 done several movies together where we just will randomly act 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.000 out a scene. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.920 A boomerang used to be my I don't think I 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.440 had to give it up for a while. I was like, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.800 you know, you can't be earthy kid always my God, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:38.600 yeah done. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.320 Lady Luise, Lady Ylluise. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:50.240 Lady Yllouise. Those are some characters, man, classics. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.600 Those are our classes. Oh God, like coming to America, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:55.160 those are our classes. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.600 Yeah, I would tell you boomerang though, really, I mean, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.960 it just shifted my mind around possibility. I had not 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:08.720 seen a film with the whole big a corporate building 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.840 in New York looking, you know, tall skyscrapers, all black, wore, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.440 black folks owned all the floors. Then you know that 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.320 you're in the secure you know, from security, you know, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.840 all the way to the executive. It was. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.120 Working in the millroom. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.320 I'm telling you, Murphy. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.680 For that to really opening, because we were young, you know, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.000 we weren't entering our career. We were in like middle 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.080 school and high school at that time. So to see 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.480 something like that as a possibility, you know, and then 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.440 to turn that possibility into a probability to enter institutions 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.360 of higher ed to explore that, you know, like, what 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:46.440 an amazing. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.960 That's to say nothing about the soft porn, you know. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.560 Yeah, yeah, okay, I was Lauren r Et suggesting, and 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.840 I like this. This is our call to the listeners 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.840 and viewers. What is a classic movie or TV show 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.920 that transformed you? You know that you saw it and 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.080 it was like wow, this really tapped into something for you. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.360 And give us the name of the TV show or 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.320 the movie and what it was about that. You can 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.120 drop it in the comments. You can send in a 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.200 video and yeah, we can pick this because I'm sure 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.240 Angela has a film too, so we can pick this 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.360 conversation up with her. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:25.880 But yeah, I want. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:28.320 What I'm shot. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:34.920 I mean, I have others. But just in recent history, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:40.040 the Name Yourself episode in Lovecraft where this woman essentially 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.480 had lived a thousand lives and had traveled through a 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:50.640 thousand years and acquire this knowledge and learn the ways 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.360 to harness energy and to self define in a way 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.600 that takes you to such another level. Astronauts describe it 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.840 as the overview effect that once you transcend out of 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.800 this Earth and you look down at this planet and 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.720 you see all that you know, there are billions of 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.080 galaxies all around us, And the overview effect makes you 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.960 consider that, man, just last week, I was this little, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.440 tiny person worrying about paying taxes and my mortgage. But 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.399 then when you broadcast out in the macro on a 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.040 whole of the lefl outside the universe, and you realize, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.200 I am but a tiny grain of sand in the 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.440 hour glass of time. A billion people existed before me, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.639 a billion people will exist after me. What is it 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.359 that I am doing here? What is it I'm meant 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.040 to be doing here? How do I self define? How 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.440 do I harness this energy that will likely live on forever? 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.159 Will I go on to live a thousand more lives? 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.960 So that was the overview, but also in the granular, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:57.000 the Mother Earth's incarnateness of black women. You know that 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:03.360 we are warriors, healers, shine and have always had such 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.320 a rebirthed black men. We love black men. There are counterparts, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.919 you know, we are on equal footing, but we are 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.040 the pathway to life. And what that meant for her 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.800 and the one thing that could bring her back to 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.840 this tiny little planet Earth was her child, the love 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.600 for her Chiuse. She had to go back for her daughter, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.240 but she came back. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.040 With all this knowledge. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.720 And I'm telling you, Andrew, you know you and I 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.760 have had conversations about this. Me and Natasha had that 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.879 that conversation. It wasn't a movie, but it changed my 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.800 life about tapping into your imagination. I won't get into 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.320 it because I told a story so many times on 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.639 the podcast, But Andrew and Latasha had the most beautiful 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.000 exchange about what it means for black people to tap 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.040 into our imaginations. So that episode of love Craft Country 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.160 made me tap into my own and just it's something 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.879 I'm still working through and how to harness my own energy. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.400 Like I'm over here, Like I don't have the energy 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.240 or time to get in the back and forth earth 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.320 on a cable news platform that seems so. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:03.159 Small for me. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.440 I don't have the energy or time to focus on. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.919 Every insult doesn't deserve my response, Every short tone doesn't 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:15.520 deserve my attention. Every negative person, every negative comment, every 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.520 little strife, if somebody got a beef with me, that 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.960 doesn't deserve my energy. How am I harnessing my energy 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:28.000 to create something almost metaphysical? Love you always love Craft, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:28.439 You'll get what. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:29.000 I'm talking about. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:35.440 I'm one another. Yeah, mine's so simple Brange was good. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:36.160 That was good. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.960 No simple boomerang wouldn't would not be the one I 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.119 would reflect it. It would be definitely a different world. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.639 And that's simply because as it coming from a family 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.399 that didn't have a tradition of going to college in 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:54.720 my media household, it gave me the goal to go 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.800 to college, to go to Healman, very specifically and all 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.360 the way through believe even that Hillman was a real 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:06.600 place up until I started sending my SAT scores out 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.639 and I'm looking for the codes and Hillman wasn't one 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.359 of the codes, and it tripped me up. And that 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.359 was the only moment eleventh grade was when I realized 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.760 it was fake. Yeah, that it was. It was. It 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.680 was the amalgamation of all of our HBCUs that wasn't 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.239 one place, but that this is a life that can 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:29.120 be experienced at many places, but exclusively at an HBCU. Yes, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:31.439 And that's what set my site there. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:32.879 It was no other option for me, like I had 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.399 to go to HBCU only because of a different world. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.040 I said, I had to go to hill Man. Yes, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.960 And then I got my heart broken. Well fam you 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.560 fam oh no no, no, no, no, Ultimately, I went 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:46.040 to my hill. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.239 You went to MAN. We lived in Wakanda. You went 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:48.800 to HBC. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.720 You lived in Wakanda. You had your Wakanda experience at FAM. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.000 You I had my experience at THAU. And I think 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:03.399 the other thing about a different world also is what 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.680 it meant to be among community, you know, like what 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.800 it meant to be with us, And to know that 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.720 there was every different type of black person. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:16.520 On the planet. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.360 You know, there were the super religious people, there were 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.119 like the skateboarders. There were like the West Coast, like 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.800 gnarly unrelatable, both the Black American princess. So I'm like, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.440 you got a car, you know, you down here in 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.159 a dad line, your dad owns like dealerships, support. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.760 And Chanel's and all this. You know, Yes, it's like what. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:44.280 It shaped helped shape my worldview here. So yeah, but 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:45.240