1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come. 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: We're here for this week's mini pod. I am your host, 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Tiffany Krost, along with my co host Andrew Gillham. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with y'all. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: We did not plan what we wanted to talk about, 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: but I was like, let's just say record, because I 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: always have things I want to talk to Andrew about. 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Uh, they're always okay. 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: Well, the one thing I wanted to talk to you about, 13 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: to be honest, Andrew, is Sinners. 14 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: But you have not seen it yet. 15 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: I have Ryan Coogler's you know I haven't. I have 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: raved in all the news about how much it's earned. 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know it's it's top slot debut 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: and all the hate. Help me you talk about the substance? 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 20 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: Can you please bring me to speed on why is 21 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: this so great? Why are I don't. 22 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: Want to spoil it? I think, and I don't want to. 23 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it a lot because 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: I want us to have a deeper conversation when you 25 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: once you've actually seen it, Because The symbolism and history 26 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: in this film is just beautiful and it's the movie 27 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: we need. 28 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: Right now for this moment. 29 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: But I surmise that because a lot of the coverage 30 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: for the film, you guys, the opening weekend, it was, 31 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, this film gross sixty five million, but Warner 32 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Brothers paid X amount of dollars, so long, long way 33 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: before it's profitable. And what a strange way to frame 34 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: a successful movie, you know. And that wasn't the only one. 35 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: There was headline after headline that kind of downplayed its success, 36 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: that cautioned excitement around it. 37 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: And I had not seen the film. 38 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Once I saw the film, I said, ah, okay, now 39 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I see they're like we did. I have all these 40 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: black folks going to watch this film, And because a 41 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: lot of the people who liked it who don't look 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: like us, I was looking like, I wonder what you're. 43 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: Getting out of the film? 44 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: What did you When did you understand this film do 45 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and mean? And it was I felt the same way 46 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: about get Out. I'm like, all these people who love 47 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: get Out, I'm like, when of the Kardashians saying, I 48 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: must they love get Out? 49 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, we missed most precisely what did. 50 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: The Kardashians love about get Out? 51 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: You know? And it was kind of like that with Cinner. 52 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: So we'll have a deeper conversation around it. But I 53 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: think I think a good conversation we could have, if 54 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: you want, is what goes into black and brown creativity, 55 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: because when the things that I've seen happen, like Master 56 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: of None with Asiase I'm sorry, was one of the 57 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: best shows. I mean, it was just so well done. 58 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: That's how we came to know Lena Way. I mean, 59 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: it was just a really well done show, and it's like, yes, 60 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: that's what happens when executives get out the way and 61 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: just let brown people create. On some of our shows 62 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: that we've seen insecure, I would say, is a show 63 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: like that love Craft Country? 64 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: My god, love Craft oh man? 65 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: And why did that go away? Okay, struggling? 66 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: The second season of love Craft Country was going to 67 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: be called Supremacy. I'm so mad me And so the 68 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: reason why I've heard is HBO executives describe Misha Green 69 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: as different cult, which of course makes me like, anytime 70 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: you start describing us as difficult, I want to know 71 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: what exactly the situation was. 72 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know what did they disagree with 73 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: you about? What did they say no? 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: And you know, Ryan Cougler with Centners, like he broke 75 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: the bank on these people, and you know, to me, 76 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: whatever he got paid, it wasn't enough. They're going to 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: more than make their money back on this film. But 78 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: it also just cast a wide net of influence over 79 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: creators when we support high quality work and the level 80 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: of detail that Ryan Cougler paid to this film. There's 81 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: a moment where you'll see Chinese characters who are Southern 82 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Chinese folks living in Mississippi, and you know this Andrew that, yes, 83 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: that is a part of Southern culture in Louisiana. There's 84 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: a huge Vietnamese community, you know, after the railroads, and 85 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: you know kind of like how these populations came to 86 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: be and how they came to be shaped. Follow a 87 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: platform next next Shark on Instagram that gives api history. 88 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: So I don't know. I say all that to say, 89 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: we're in a very unique moment in history where we 90 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: are side eyeing. 91 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Other communities, you know, where it's like, I don't know, 92 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: you might have voted for this man, and I can't 93 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: really rock with you, like I gotta go insular and 94 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: only deal with black people, only talk to black people, 95 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: And I certainly feel the most comfort there. But I 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: just I know people within the ap PI community who 97 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: who fight against anti black sentiment, who fight against racism, 98 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: who are allies, like I have given them the title 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: of ally. They've earned it and I've given it to them. 100 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: I know people in the Latino community who also are 101 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: black folks. Y'all, there are there's Latino, there are black people, 102 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: and then there are black Latinos. There's a venn diagram 103 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: Latino own precisely in Dominica, in Port and everywhere there 104 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: are black you know, the the slave ships stopped everywhere 105 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: and some people, you know, you have Afro Colombian and who. 106 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: Was on that ship, by the way, looked different in 107 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: different places, and some places they were Asians who were 108 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: on uh those slave ships or under indentured servitude and 109 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: still treated and and employed on the slave labor. You 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: talked about, you know, the railroad and the building of that, 111 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: the connecting of the East and the West, and how 112 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: it is that you know, Asians occupied so much of 113 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: these rare places that you would find, you know, these 114 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: buckets of community on the creative piece, because I don't 115 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: think of myself as a creative and am certainly not 116 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: implied to to to to even think so. But I 117 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: I have been watching or watched rather and I don't 118 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: know which app it's on, but it interviewed all of 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: these black actors, first the men and then the women. 120 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: Oh god, if y'all have it, which which platform is that? 121 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: On that apple? 122 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: We'll give us some money because we're given y'all whole 123 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: free commercial. 124 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: I just I just got to say, I was so 125 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: moved watch it and drawing the tears and other forms 126 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: of emotions as I listened to these a list black actors' 127 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: names that we would all know, you know, you know, 128 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: off the dome, and how they reflect on their experience 129 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: in an industry that wholly didn't value. And I say 130 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: didn't as if it's past tense. I think it's it's 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: still true, don't value, but certainly you know, in the 132 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: moments that they're reflecting on, it's clear didn't value. I 133 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: mean Angela Bassett and that Tina Turner biopic. I'm still 134 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: mad when I was reminded, you know, of the slight 135 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: of hand that that that she was handed at that 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: time for acknowledgment of the hard work that that's required 137 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: that our folks do. But I think, Tiff, in so 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: many ways, our creatives make it look so seamless, almost 139 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: so effortless, like you underappreciate the amount of energy, effort, concentration, 140 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: discipline that they had to exhibit to get that job done. 141 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: And study it's so underappreciated. 142 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Like Viola Davis is a Juilliard graduate, and she talks 143 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: about studying at Juilliard and how, you know, having to 144 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: learn different dialects, you know, having to learn the British dialects, 145 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: having to learn Southern dialects, and it's like, well, why 146 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: didn't white people have to learn different African dialects? You know, 147 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: like why did we center whiteness in our craft? And 148 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: it's so true the way that that's centered in everything. 149 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: We were talking a bit this week on the podcast 150 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: about you know, cable news executives, you know, and and 151 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: still what is centered is white perspective, white life. You know, 152 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: even when you talk about evangelical so white is silent. 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, you assume evangelicals are with Trump because you're 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: only thinking about the Billy Graham wing of evangelical in film, 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: you're only thinking about white perspective. You know that famous clip, 156 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: infamous clip of Tony Morrison being interviewed and the woman saying, 157 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: but you don't sent her white people in your books, 158 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: as if that is the starting point, you know, like 159 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: you're can we I have? 160 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: And also when they in politics, before you leave those 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: examples and politics, when we say the real America, get 162 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: out and talk to real Americans and what people commentators 163 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: and analysts mean when they say the real America, what 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: black people are working blue collar jobs and are disaffected 165 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: in all parts of this land. Yet you got to 166 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: go to the heartland quote to meet real Americans. Yeah, 167 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: that they don't exist. Real Americans don't exist in cities. 168 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, real Americans. That I'm so offended by that 169 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: entire notion. But that is like the thought process that 170 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: that's the defining thought process for so many people. But 171 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: I have a request one. I want you to see 172 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: Sinners so we can do a whole mini pie. But 173 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: Centers has me so inspired. I would like us to 174 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: rewatch Lovecraft Country. 175 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: To rewatch I'm down there and watch it. I thought 176 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: it was I thought it was powerful, and I can't 177 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that the viewership if that were it 178 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: was so was so lackluster that it wouldn't It was 179 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: so beautifully done the acting girls. 180 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: But there's a woman who also plays in Centers and 181 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say her name, but she 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: is so strikingly beautiful. She's actually British and I don't 183 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: know where her country of origin is from, but she 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: was born in the UK, and I'm gonna look it 185 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: up because I want to give her her flowers. 186 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: I know her name, every everything I've seen her amazing. 187 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: If there were a talent who is who was underrated, 188 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: it would be her amazing. 189 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: And she loves you. Remember we ran into her at 190 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: tammeron Hall Show. 191 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: I know I'm a fan, but I'm a sincere fan 192 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: of her craft, of her Workie what you know, Jerny 193 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 2: Smilett another one who I. 194 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Thought I love Craft Country and her sister is played 195 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: by woone Me Mosaku. I forgive me if that's not 196 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: how you say her name, but woon me Osaku, who 197 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: got the Chicago accent very like, she did it very well. 198 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Uh in Center, she got that Mississippi Southern actvert. I mean, 199 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: she's just an amazing actions but strikingly beautiful. I just 200 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: can't stop looking at this woman. I think she's I 201 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: just I think we're gonna see more of her. But 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: I would like us, Yeah, I would like us to 203 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: rewise The love Craft Country because it was one of 204 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: the most beautiful pieces of television I've ever seen, and 205 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: it really tapped into my imagination. 206 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: Is shaped how I saw. 207 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Things the Name Yourself episode that Sensor and I was 208 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: new Ellis. I don't want to give it away if 209 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: you all haven't watched its years old, though, I feel 210 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: like we should be able to talk about spoilers, but 211 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: I would like you all to watch. 212 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: It with Yeah, dig in, dig in. 213 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: So it is so good, Jonathan Major. 214 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: It's mind shifting. Yeah, that's what creatives should do. Like 215 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: we always talk about the imagination and how we reach 216 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: a whole nother level of like the imaginative and the reimagining. 217 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: They did that for us in reset a context and 218 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: a set of experiences historically based in some cases otherwise 219 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, in some instances derivatives of It's powerful. And 220 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: I think that they're the ones who put peel the 221 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: scales off of our eyes and allow us to see 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: things more beautifully if you you know, to imagine things 223 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: more beautifully. And I thank them for that. 224 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. 225 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: Just we are we offer our gratitude for what they 226 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: do on the screen, what they bring to their craft 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: a seriousness. When you see BTS footage of Ryan Coogler 228 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: on all of his films, from Fruit Station Uh to 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: Creed to Black Panther to Sinners, he is involved at 230 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: the molecular level, you know, like he is that his 231 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: hands are stop everything he is, from the cinematography to 232 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,359 Speaker 1: the type of film they shoot on to the actors 233 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: working closely with the actors and the storyboard, and he 234 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: puts such thought into it. And I think anytime that 235 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: you're devoting that level of detail to your craft, that 236 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: we owe you our attention. You know, I'm not at 237 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: the theater like this on my phone. I'm not you know, 238 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: chopping onions in the background. At home, I sit and 239 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: honor the work of the folks who poured their heart 240 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: into it, and so I don't like going. 241 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: To the theater. 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: Stand Barry Jenkins to be similar, you know, a Miami Boy, 243 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: but and and and then you know the Lion King 244 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: and and even in illustrations and playful ways, still incorporating 245 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: the richness of us. Like if you get the subtext, 246 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: you know, they don't make it hard for you to 247 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: be able to access it. But if you if you're 248 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: willing to get the subtext, it just it makes your 249 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: spine stiffen a little bit, you know, when you when 250 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: you are consuming that kind of thing, it's like, all right, 251 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: I see I hear myself. I see myself. This is 252 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: not some caricature of who I am, but rather a 253 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: more true reflection. It's empowering, especially when you get to 254 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: see it on you know, on a big screen. 255 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: You know you have an appreciation for film the way 256 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: I do, because we will at random act out an 257 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: entire scene and you know totally, you know all the words, 258 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: the intonation in everything. We both are very we are 259 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: into content. I just thought about that as we're talking 260 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, we did a whole Andrew and I 261 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: were walking in Midtown, New York and acted out the 262 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: entire scene of dream Girls. 263 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: I don't I was like, I'm trying to think what 264 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: which was it was? 265 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: I only got it's so ridiculous. I don't even remember, 266 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: but it was so ridiculous. But that's not what We've 267 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: done several movies together where we just will randomly act 268 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: out a scene. 269 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: A boomerang used to be my I don't think I 270 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: had to give it up for a while. I was like, 271 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, you can't be earthy kid always my God, 272 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: yeah done. 273 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: Lady Luise, Lady Ylluise. 274 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: Lady Yllouise. Those are some characters, man, classics. 275 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Those are our classes. Oh God, like coming to America, 276 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: those are our classes. 277 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would tell you boomerang though, really, I mean, 278 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: it just shifted my mind around possibility. I had not 279 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: seen a film with the whole big a corporate building 280 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: in New York looking, you know, tall skyscrapers, all black, wore, 281 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: black folks owned all the floors. Then you know that 282 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: you're in the secure you know, from security, you know, 283 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: all the way to the executive. It was. 284 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: Working in the millroom. 285 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Murphy. 286 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: For that to really opening, because we were young, you know, 287 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: we weren't entering our career. We were in like middle 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: school and high school at that time. So to see 289 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: something like that as a possibility, you know, and then 290 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: to turn that possibility into a probability to enter institutions 291 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: of higher ed to explore that, you know, like, what 292 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: an amazing. 293 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: That's to say nothing about the soft porn, you know. 294 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, I was Lauren r Et suggesting, and 295 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: I like this. This is our call to the listeners 296 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: and viewers. What is a classic movie or TV show 297 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: that transformed you? You know that you saw it and 298 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: it was like wow, this really tapped into something for you. 299 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: And give us the name of the TV show or 300 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: the movie and what it was about that. You can 301 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: drop it in the comments. You can send in a 302 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: video and yeah, we can pick this because I'm sure 303 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Angela has a film too, so we can pick this 304 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: conversation up with her. 305 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I want. 306 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: What I'm shot. 307 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I have others. But just in recent history, 308 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: the Name Yourself episode in Lovecraft where this woman essentially 309 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: had lived a thousand lives and had traveled through a 310 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: thousand years and acquire this knowledge and learn the ways 311 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: to harness energy and to self define in a way 312 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: that takes you to such another level. Astronauts describe it 313 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: as the overview effect that once you transcend out of 314 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: this Earth and you look down at this planet and 315 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: you see all that you know, there are billions of 316 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: galaxies all around us, And the overview effect makes you 317 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: consider that, man, just last week, I was this little, 318 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: tiny person worrying about paying taxes and my mortgage. But 319 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: then when you broadcast out in the macro on a 320 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: whole of the lefl outside the universe, and you realize, 321 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: I am but a tiny grain of sand in the 322 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: hour glass of time. A billion people existed before me, 323 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: a billion people will exist after me. What is it 324 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: that I am doing here? What is it I'm meant 325 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: to be doing here? How do I self define? How 326 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: do I harness this energy that will likely live on forever? 327 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: Will I go on to live a thousand more lives? 328 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: So that was the overview, but also in the granular, 329 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: the Mother Earth's incarnateness of black women. You know that 330 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: we are warriors, healers, shine and have always had such 331 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: a rebirthed black men. We love black men. There are counterparts, 332 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, we are on equal footing, but we are 333 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: the pathway to life. And what that meant for her 334 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: and the one thing that could bring her back to 335 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: this tiny little planet Earth was her child, the love 336 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: for her Chiuse. She had to go back for her daughter, 337 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: but she came back. 338 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: With all this knowledge. 339 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Andrew, you know you and I 340 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: have had conversations about this. Me and Natasha had that 341 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: that conversation. It wasn't a movie, but it changed my 342 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: life about tapping into your imagination. I won't get into 343 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: it because I told a story so many times on 344 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: the podcast, But Andrew and Latasha had the most beautiful 345 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: exchange about what it means for black people to tap 346 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: into our imaginations. So that episode of love Craft Country 347 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: made me tap into my own and just it's something 348 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: I'm still working through and how to harness my own energy. 349 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Like I'm over here, Like I don't have the energy 350 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: or time to get in the back and forth earth 351 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: on a cable news platform that seems so. 352 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: Small for me. 353 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: I don't have the energy or time to focus on. 354 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: Every insult doesn't deserve my response, Every short tone doesn't 355 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: deserve my attention. Every negative person, every negative comment, every 356 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: little strife, if somebody got a beef with me, that 357 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: doesn't deserve my energy. How am I harnessing my energy 358 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: to create something almost metaphysical? Love you always love Craft, 359 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: You'll get what. 360 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. 361 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: I'm one another. Yeah, mine's so simple Brange was good. 362 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: That was good. 363 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: No simple boomerang wouldn't would not be the one I 364 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: would reflect it. It would be definitely a different world. 365 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: And that's simply because as it coming from a family 366 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: that didn't have a tradition of going to college in 367 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: my media household, it gave me the goal to go 368 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: to college, to go to Healman, very specifically and all 369 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: the way through believe even that Hillman was a real 370 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: place up until I started sending my SAT scores out 371 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: and I'm looking for the codes and Hillman wasn't one 372 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: of the codes, and it tripped me up. And that 373 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: was the only moment eleventh grade was when I realized 374 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: it was fake. Yeah, that it was. It was. It 375 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: was the amalgamation of all of our HBCUs that wasn't 376 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 2: one place, but that this is a life that can 377 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: be experienced at many places, but exclusively at an HBCU. Yes, 378 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: And that's what set my site there. 379 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: It was no other option for me, like I had 380 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: to go to HBCU only because of a different world. 381 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: I said, I had to go to hill Man. Yes, 382 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: And then I got my heart broken. Well fam you 383 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: fam oh no no, no, no, no, Ultimately, I went 384 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: to my hill. 385 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 3: You went to MAN. We lived in Wakanda. You went 386 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: to HBC. 387 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: You lived in Wakanda. You had your Wakanda experience at FAM. 388 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: You I had my experience at THAU. And I think 389 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: the other thing about a different world also is what 390 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: it meant to be among community, you know, like what 391 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: it meant to be with us, And to know that 392 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: there was every different type of black person. 393 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: On the planet. 394 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: You know, there were the super religious people, there were 395 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: like the skateboarders. There were like the West Coast, like 396 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: gnarly unrelatable, both the Black American princess. So I'm like, 397 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: you got a car, you know, you down here in 398 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: a dad line, your dad owns like dealerships, support. 399 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: And Chanel's and all this. You know, Yes, it's like what. 400 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: It shaped helped shape my worldview here. So yeah, but 401 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: you know, someone. 402 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: Said, people who don't understand what it means to be 403 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: reflected in that way. I mean, it's just it's such 404 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: an undervalue statement when I hear people say, you know, 405 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: to see yourself reflected, because I often wonder are the 406 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: other people who are in earshot of hearing you say this? 407 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: Really grasping because if you're the majority and you have 408 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: always been the image that's reflected, I kind of feel 409 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: like the only time you know that this is a privilege, 410 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: and maybe you don't even give it its credit, is 411 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: maybe when you're in a room as a white person 412 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: you look around and you realize you're the only way 413 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: you don't realize it, you know it from the moment 414 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: you enter it. And then I often used to say 415 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: to some of my colleagues, like, now you get a semblance, 416 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: maybe just a little linkling of what I get to 417 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: experience literally going every day in and out of the 418 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: day as a mayor or a commissioner or whatever, or 419 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: in this room, at these seats and at these tables 420 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: of power and decision and influence, and to be there 421 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: and to never see yourself walk through the damn door, 422 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: never a presenter, never the option that is on the 423 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: menu of options of what we could decide or choose. 424 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: That only until then do you get to really grasp 425 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: the significance of this statement what it means to see 426 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: yourself reflected. 427 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: That's so true, Andrew, that's so true. Okay, Well you 428 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: got our thoughts. 429 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: I just want to add one. 430 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: We want to hear you, but something that we can 431 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: when we when we hear you all thought something we 432 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: may want to revisit. Someone said on they made a 433 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: comment on my post that Dwayne and Whitley's relationship was toxic, and. 434 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 3: I have since visited she was. 435 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: Remember she kissed Ron like she went out with your 436 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: your best friend and kissed them in your face. 437 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: Like, hey, you got her back at the wedding altar? 438 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: You want her back, please please? 439 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: Like they I mean, but that was when you as 440 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: a grown woman. I'm looking at that like nomn. She 441 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: really was. She was interesting. 442 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: She was analyzed it that way. Yes, so this is 443 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: why we want and need the feedback from from y'all 444 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: our listeners, because it may put a whole new spin 445 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: on the thing that. 446 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: We thought we knew totally totally all right, Well, thank you. 447 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: I knew we would come up. 448 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't really sure that I wanted to talk about creators, 449 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: but I really did see thank you. 450 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: I like when we just hit record, we always have 451 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: stuff to talk about. 452 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 2: It's also possible that I'm willing and really able to 453 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: talk about anything, just like you are. What do you 454 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: want to do today? 455 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Yes, we flow, we flow, We always have stuff. Whether 456 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: the cameras are rolling or not, we always have stuff 457 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: to talk about. Sometimes I wish there were this cameras 458 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: rolling with us and they hit record, because some of 459 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: our best conversations as we're having food gasms, when we've 460 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: like found a great restaurant and we're or way. 461 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: We take a good walk. 462 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: Yes, well, I love my good. 463 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: Walks are always good. 464 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: I love my walk yep. And on that note, everybody 465 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: know about those walks because when you see the cousins 466 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to go for a walk, if you win that walk, 467 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: you better get to get in when that walk happens, 468 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: so you're gonna miss the walk anyway. Thank you guys, 469 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: welcome home, Thanks for tuning in uh and we'll see 470 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: you next time on the Mini Pod when Angelo's back. 471 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out Stay to the people, you 472 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: guys to see that out there hitting the pavement, and 473 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: you'll see us on sour as well. 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