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Speaker 1: Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: T minus three days and counting until day number one
Speaker 3: of the National Football League Draft. I saw a football
Speaker 3: player or two on a football field here at the
Speaker 3: Star in Frisco, and we are raring to go on
Speaker 3: this Monday edition of Mix Shots. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 3: Everson Walls thumbing through the Cowboys Star Magazine draft preview issue.
Speaker 3: As he tries to do it, he tries to do
Speaker 3: this homework assignment on the fly. He walks into the classroom.
Speaker 3: The teacher said never, so did you get your homework done?
Speaker 3: And now he's scrambling trying to remember what the assignment was.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the DBS first.
Speaker 3: Or come on, so it's a week old.
Speaker 1: Expect to remember.
Speaker 3: All that I purposely texted after the show last week
Speaker 3: and these are your cornerbacks need to look at before
Speaker 3: next Monday. And now he's doing his research. So Mickey
Speaker 3: how are you doing. I'm good, ready to go.
Speaker 2: All right? Thanks pit over there.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any homework.
Speaker 2: You could see.
Speaker 1: I had to turn the volume down. Bill's really excited.
Speaker 1: It's draft right, so he came in loud.
Speaker 3: Loud and clear as I'm looking on NFL Network at
Speaker 3: the not so frozen tundra of Lembo feet when days
Speaker 3: draftway will take place on Thursday through the weekend. You
Speaker 3: can enjoy it here at the Star in Frisco as well.
Speaker 3: Tom Pelasero is already at lambeau Field.
Speaker 4: You from what I heard around this stadium, it's one
Speaker 4: of the more unique football stadiums with the exhibitions and
Speaker 4: tell us.
Speaker 3: About it, Mickey, I have never been to lambeau Field.
Speaker 1: They made a kind of a what do.
Speaker 3: They call it an NFL experience. No, they did itself.
Speaker 1: They built around the stadium like.
Speaker 3: A Star in Frisco h Entertainment district. Yeah, there's an
Speaker 3: entertainment just office buildings.
Speaker 2: They can they can walk.
Speaker 4: There's like an exhibit where you as you're going to
Speaker 4: the stadium, right, there's.
Speaker 3: A and they have a Packers Hall of Fame there
Speaker 3: at lambeau And then there's an outdoor. They built an
Speaker 3: outdoor facility draft. Yeah, oh okay, so you're saying a
Speaker 3: temporary one for the draft, but they have it's called
Speaker 3: Title Town. There you go and they build they built
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: That's already there, that's there.
Speaker 1: But they're building the outdoor parts.
Speaker 2: The Title Town thing. I think that got upgraded or something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I knew one guy. He's a Packer fan. I don't
Speaker 4: know why in the hell he's a pack of fan,
Speaker 4: but he was up there and.
Speaker 3: I was a Packer fan.
Speaker 2: Again, thank you. That doesn't prove the case at all.
Speaker 3: Stick it up for your friend.
Speaker 4: Well he's uh, but he talked about how they changed
Speaker 4: a few things. And you can walk through there on
Speaker 4: the way to the stadium. The things that you see
Speaker 4: up to it. They've got this, uh tradition. I guess
Speaker 4: of how they approached there.
Speaker 1: They're expecting you know, over the course of the three days,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of three hundred thousand people.
Speaker 2: It is amazing.
Speaker 3: It did amazing. I mean you see this as soon
Speaker 3: as they well they went on in New York too,
Speaker 3: but it was just for years in New York. Once
Speaker 3: they got it and moving it around the country isn't
Speaker 3: it amazing.
Speaker 1: The great idea.
Speaker 3: The people love events. I mean, they don't care that
Speaker 3: that it's a there's no well, I guess there might
Speaker 3: be some musical entertainment out in that area whatever, but
Speaker 3: there's you're not watching a game, You're not well, you're
Speaker 3: watching players being picked on a TV screen and it
Speaker 3: becomes a big festive party.
Speaker 1: Unless you're lucky enough to get close enough to the
Speaker 1: stage and you can see the guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're still watching players getting picked and walking on stage. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and the entertainment value is through the roof.
Speaker 3: That's because people love to party and I read right,
Speaker 3: looking for an event and this is going to be a.
Speaker 1: Drive destination because they don't have enough hotels for everybody to.
Speaker 3: Show up and stay.
Speaker 1: You can stay in Appleton because that's where the cowboys
Speaker 1: use to stay until.
Speaker 3: And how far as Appleton from Green Bay.
Speaker 1: That's about a forty five minute drive something like that.
Speaker 1: It's a great little time and I love it.
Speaker 3: Standing for Worth and going to a game in Frisco.
Speaker 4: You know, you have you have a like a beach
Speaker 4: out there somewhere right in there there's a river a bay.
Speaker 2: Ye be Well, let me say this God I was
Speaker 2: I was young.
Speaker 3: Did you ever play there?
Speaker 4: I played there, but I did an event there and
Speaker 4: we had some type of parade. I was one of
Speaker 4: the younger guys there and I was there with some
Speaker 4: Hall of famous and man, they were just older guys.
Speaker 4: They were just having so much fun and they would
Speaker 4: just relax. And I recall going to a bay area
Speaker 4: around with some water and I remember how clear and
Speaker 4: beautiful that water.
Speaker 3: The water was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was I there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I remember I put my feet in the water
Speaker 4: and it was really clear. Yeah, it was really clear. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you could see your feet and I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: what you know? And I remember we had done a parade.
Speaker 4: It was some type of parade that we were in,
Speaker 4: and you know.
Speaker 1: Man, that was You know who's making out like bandits?
Speaker 1: Is the people that own houses in that yhood? Yes,
Speaker 1: because they're renting them out.
Speaker 2: Here because you go through r Yeah, you go through there.
Speaker 1: Is called.
Speaker 3: The people going to get let's get to the draft.
Speaker 3: Why are we talking about this? And so I'm they're
Speaker 3: probably doing what I'm doing. Okay, I'll play along with
Speaker 3: this conversation and I'll got my map out and I'm
Speaker 3: looked at Okay. I looked at Green Bay. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: right there on some water, and sure enough it's Green Bay.
Speaker 3: It's Lake Michigan on the other side of that little
Speaker 3: peninsula there. Okay, we got that settled. Now let's talk draft.
Speaker 3: Oshkosh is nearby too. I think we stayed there one year.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: We stayed south because there. I don't know why we
Speaker 1: weren't in Appleton, but we kind of stayed off the
Speaker 1: off the highway. Okay, so ready, Now have you sold
Speaker 1: the big green notebook?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 3: Speaking of Green the big Green No, No, it's not
Speaker 3: for sale. I mean we sell Sale Jones a big
Speaker 3: green notebook. It is for sale, Okay.
Speaker 2: I know some people put out big money for that book.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: It can be sold. It can be sold.
Speaker 1: Except the part that has a seven round draft.
Speaker 3: Which featured two trades, two trades and ty wait five
Speaker 3: top one picks and two quarterbacks in it. See when
Speaker 3: you trade down, then you can make luxury picks. And
Speaker 3: I'm concerned about the backup quarterback situation on this team.
Speaker 3: I'm also concerned about the developmental quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: We should have spent more time finding a veteran quarterback
Speaker 1: that they know.
Speaker 3: Well, there's only one left out there, and that's Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3: So now we've got we're going to the draft. No problem.
Speaker 3: I got no problem with Carson Wentz. CJ. Bethard would
Speaker 3: be another one. You think you can find a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 3: there's Desmond More. I think out there.
Speaker 1: Find a rookie quarterback in the fourth round that can
Speaker 1: win you thirteen games.
Speaker 3: There's not a fourth round pick, mickey, And so we're
Speaker 3: going to go either the third.
Speaker 4: Or the fifth round. You did that.
Speaker 1: One year maybe if my memory about nine years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm concerned about getting a quarterback in here and developed
Speaker 3: in time for the next time that a contract comes up.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm worried.
Speaker 3: You worried about week three? Well, it's exactly right. And
Speaker 3: in the meantime, if you get a good enough quarterback,
Speaker 3: he might be ready. Well no, he might be able
Speaker 3: to at least do a little something. But I don't
Speaker 3: think we.
Speaker 2: Have that right now. All right, that would be a
Speaker 2: cost and wins. Yeah. Right, So.
Speaker 3: You've got three legal pads in front of you. Where
Speaker 3: would you like to start?
Speaker 1: Where did I?
Speaker 3: Oh, I know what I wanted to do? So what
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 1: I know what you your predictions were for draft picks.
Speaker 3: They weren't predictions. Oh it was like my picks. They're
Speaker 3: not predictions of what the Cowboys are going to do.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this options. So, first option would be
Speaker 1: you're not enthused with what's there at twelve, or there's
Speaker 1: so much there at twelve, you could trade back.
Speaker 2: What'd you do it?
Speaker 3: And the reason for trading back, in my opinion, there
Speaker 3: you you can go every position on this team, including quarterback,
Speaker 3: and there is a need on this team. Okay, they've
Speaker 3: done what they've can do as far as free agency,
Speaker 3: but when you look not only at twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: but also twenty twenty six and beyond, when you look
Speaker 3: at the number of players or in the last year
Speaker 3: of their contracts, whatever, there is a need every position
Speaker 3: on the team.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you.
Speaker 3: Want The reason I bring that up is if you
Speaker 3: trade down and pick up, say a third round pick,
Speaker 3: then you've got four top one hundred picks instead of three.
Speaker 3: Right or in the case of this team, right now,
Speaker 3: they've got three top one hundred and forty eight picks
Speaker 3: because they don't have a fourth round pick. Their next
Speaker 3: pick after the third round is at one forty nine.
Speaker 1: How far would you feel safe dropping back?
Speaker 3: I think from twelve. I don't think there's a I
Speaker 3: don't think unless there's a surprise where there's one of
Speaker 3: the top prospects for some reason slives. I don't think
Speaker 3: there's a whole lot of difference between the guy you're
Speaker 3: gonna get at number twelve and the guy you're gonna
Speaker 3: get at number twenty two.
Speaker 2: So that was gonna say twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't want to fall back past nineteen. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get to twenty. I would rather go to fifteen.
Speaker 2: So, okay, we're talking this.
Speaker 3: But every every team, would you drop back?
Speaker 2: I would drop back.
Speaker 4: I would simply because we need so many players. We
Speaker 4: need a player in every position. Oay, we were looking
Speaker 4: for one particular player, then I wouldn't. Okay, okay, let
Speaker 4: me wait on that guy.
Speaker 2: He's wait.
Speaker 4: We got an agreement, we know what everybody's gonna do.
Speaker 4: Was set for a boom. We did it job. We'
Speaker 4: all doing everybody high five.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So having said that, if you got to twelve, is
Speaker 1: there a go ahead?
Speaker 3: One other thing?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: It's a difference. Okay, you're if you dropped to fifteen.
Speaker 3: If you look at the trade valued chart, okay, and
Speaker 3: I'm reading off the rich Hill modified trade value chart,
Speaker 3: the difference in points from going from twelve to fifteen,
Speaker 3: you're basically you're getting a fourth round draft pick back
Speaker 3: to move down three spots, that's right. And so if
Speaker 3: you move down to eighteen, I'm looking at the difference
Speaker 3: in points here you're looking at to let me see
Speaker 3: three forty seven, eighteen's to eighty forty seven and third
Speaker 3: sixty you're looking at a third round pickback.
Speaker 5: So if you go to.
Speaker 3: Fifteen, it's a fourth round pick. If you go to eighteen,
Speaker 3: it's a third round.
Speaker 1: I got to have a third if I moved, So you.
Speaker 3: Have to move back to eighteen. Yeah, seventeen eighteen so far.
Speaker 1: I've got to do something and give them twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six fifth round two.
Speaker 3: Now, if you do what the Big Green Notebook did
Speaker 3: and move back to twenty or twenty two, you can
Speaker 3: get a second round pickch too far. Now, the problem
Speaker 3: is you also have to have someone who wants to
Speaker 3: move up for something they give up, right and everybody's draft.
Speaker 3: That's because of the quarterback situation in this draft. You're
Speaker 3: there's probably not going to be teams that are going
Speaker 3: to be moving very far.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you if something falls to twelve that
Speaker 1: you say, I got to have that.
Speaker 3: Guy, who would take him?
Speaker 1: If let's put it this way, if for some reason
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's going to happen Ashton.
Speaker 3: Yes, I run to the podium and write, yes, if
Speaker 3: Ashton genty, I don't think genty will get past the
Speaker 3: Raiders at six. It's the way it sounds.
Speaker 1: And possibly New Orleans at nine.
Speaker 3: Nine. No, they're taking sud at nine, right, that's what
Speaker 3: everyone says to Orleans, That's what everyone said, he doesn't
Speaker 3: have That's another topic.
Speaker 1: What's happening with what's happening? Okay, So now if you
Speaker 1: get to twelve and you're going to stay there and
Speaker 1: Genti's not there, would you still take a running back?
Speaker 2: I would not. You would not.
Speaker 3: I would not because there's a deep running back class
Speaker 3: and you can get a running back in the second
Speaker 3: or third d so you would go with a different position.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about if you decide not to do that,
Speaker 1: would you take a wide receiver there?
Speaker 3: You could take a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: There, And it seems like the top ones to go
Speaker 1: there would be McMillen, Golden, the Buka, and.
Speaker 3: Burden and I would probably in that order for a
Speaker 3: lot of For the so called experts out there.
Speaker 1: Right, they have them, well the big Green Notebook.
Speaker 3: I out of those, I like Abuka m hmm. And
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I like Abuka is and that
Speaker 3: there's no knock against the other guys. But I love
Speaker 3: he is. He might be the safest pick in this
Speaker 3: draft in terms of being reliable, and he is a
Speaker 3: culture setter in the locker room. His value goes beyond
Speaker 3: what he does on the football field, and that's what
Speaker 3: I love about a Mecca Abuka.
Speaker 1: Now I saw one thing about him that says he's
Speaker 1: a slot receiver is that it I don't see that
Speaker 1: he can do both inside. I don't know why he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to, Okay, I mean he's six one
Speaker 1: pounds and McMillan has basically got to be the outside.
Speaker 3: I mean he's playing at Ohio State where they got
Speaker 3: all those receivers who can play on the outside. So
Speaker 3: somebody's got to play on the slot. So he's been
Speaker 3: playing in the slot. That doesn't mean he can't play outside.
Speaker 3: He is from a character standpoint, he's Terry McLaurin out
Speaker 3: of Ohio State and is obviously doing what he's doing
Speaker 3: at Washington. All right, he is a one of the
Speaker 3: safest picks you could have in this draft.
Speaker 1: I think now Golden and Burden can do inside and
Speaker 1: outside in my opinion. Okay, McMillan's just outside, right, and
Speaker 1: he's he's not a speed guy.
Speaker 3: Is he ran a four to four Okay, I mean
Speaker 3: that's four four five four eight.
Speaker 1: But he's kind of the bigger type.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's receiver, yeah, okay, I mean there's there's advantages
Speaker 3: to what he can do, and especially on this Cowboys
Speaker 3: team that you're lacking in that big wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, they traded for one Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 1: So he's more of a I've just went right by. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's more of a MARII Cooper type receiver.
Speaker 3: He's more of He's he's the comp is Mike Evans. Okay,
Speaker 3: I mean the.
Speaker 1: So what you get there has to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of compliment what seed.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, I'm glad you mentioned Amari Cooper.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, the factor in Everson. They're looking
Speaker 3: at the wide receivers. Taking a wide receiver in this draft,
Speaker 3: there are about four free agent wide receivers out there
Speaker 3: who you could sign after the draft if you don't
Speaker 3: get the wide receiver that you want during the draft.
Speaker 3: So as you're filling these obvious needs on the team
Speaker 3: and replacing Brandon Cooks on the roster, well, there's Tyler
Speaker 3: Lockett still out there. There's Amory Cooper still out there.
Speaker 3: There's Keenan Allen still out there. There's Tyler Boyd still
Speaker 3: out there. So there are there are a handful of
Speaker 3: wide receivers who you can take care of that immediate
Speaker 3: need and probably that well for sure that wide receiver
Speaker 3: if they still have it, they still have their legs, which,
Speaker 3: assuming they do, they're going to give you more this
Speaker 3: year than what a rookie wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver, it's no doubt about.
Speaker 4: And these are quarterback friendly wide receiver right just called out.
Speaker 4: These guys know how to work the slot.
Speaker 2: I think all.
Speaker 4: Three we know Amari Cooper, we know what he can
Speaker 4: do and how he changes teams from the wide receiver position.
Speaker 3: That's why I think you have to look beyond the
Speaker 3: immediate need this year. There are guys out there who
Speaker 3: can fill those immediate needs and they're not going to
Speaker 3: cost that much, and so you have to look okay,
Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons I like Abuka is
Speaker 3: because you're setting this is a guy who's going to
Speaker 3: impact things for years here and beyond football.
Speaker 4: Well that's true too, But once again, going back to
Speaker 4: those veteran receivers, I can't recall any one of those
Speaker 4: guys having locker room problems or having issues with their quarterback.
Speaker 1: About it's got to be about me.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't recall any of them. If I was
Speaker 4: gonna say anybody, maybe Kingdon Allen and that would just
Speaker 4: be you know, spitballer. I have no idea what his
Speaker 4: relationship is, but it's nothing that has come out that
Speaker 4: where you could say it was a detriment to that
Speaker 4: team and he was a problem in the locker room
Speaker 4: either one of those especially three of those four guys.
Speaker 1: It never is a problem until some of the immediate
Speaker 1: ask are you not getting the ball or not?
Speaker 3: And consider Tyler Lockett. He's been with this coach and
Speaker 3: had great years with this coach in Seattle.
Speaker 1: And Amari wasn't a problem here. Okay, So now what
Speaker 1: happens if there is one of the top cornerbacks there
Speaker 1: at twelfth, would you.
Speaker 4: I think you need a cornerback more than you do
Speaker 4: a receiver in regards to getting it in the draft, Okay,
Speaker 4: because it getting I don't know what cornerbacks are out
Speaker 4: there that can impact the team as well as the
Speaker 4: wide receiver there out there, they can impact you.
Speaker 3: The guys that are that are projected as veterans, I
Speaker 3: mean the guy, okay, but the guy and Stephan Gilmour
Speaker 3: is one of the veterans. It's that out there is
Speaker 3: out there there. Tredevius White just got signed by Buffalo.
Speaker 3: He was one that was out there. Sante Samuel has
Speaker 3: an injury issue that has to be worked out to
Speaker 3: see whether he's good to go or not.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: But there are some cornerbacks out there.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that they're the Calibo. No, No,
Speaker 2: they're not. I'm just talking exactly right.
Speaker 3: But when you look at the draft there there are
Speaker 3: a couple of cornerbacks who are projected that would be Okay.
Speaker 3: Cowboys will get a pat on the back if they
Speaker 3: take Will Johnson of Michigan with a twelfth pick or
Speaker 3: John A. Barron from Texas any other cornerback, they'll they'll
Speaker 3: be ripped for Oh, that's too high to take them.
Speaker 3: But Trey him is too high that he's projected in
Speaker 3: the second round. Ye whatever, but that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: If you love a player, man, take that dude, take them,
Speaker 3: and because you're take you're only taking them too high.
Speaker 3: If he wouldn't be there the next time you pick
Speaker 3: at number forty, or if he would be there the
Speaker 3: next time you pick at forty four in the second round.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you're not taking too high. So you'd love to
Speaker 3: trade down and get better value, but sometimes you've got
Speaker 3: to have a trading partner. But Maxwell Harriston is more
Speaker 3: of a slot, but he can play outside to Kentucky
Speaker 3: is another guy that would be a late first second
Speaker 3: round guy. But Amos from Ole Miss is another one.
Speaker 3: Amos started his career at Louisiana Lafayette played three years.
Speaker 3: There was actually a backup at Alabama for one year
Speaker 3: and then his last year started and played well at
Speaker 3: Ole Miss. But Alabama he played behind kool Aid, McKinstry,
Speaker 3: and Terry and Arnold who were top draft picks.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I read this about Will Johnson that there
Speaker 1: was some concern about his long term knee long term
Speaker 1: long knee injury. Oh, knee currently not a problem, but
Speaker 1: there could be something long term.
Speaker 3: What raises the red flag. Now supposedly he didn't run,
Speaker 3: but he didn't run at the Combine due to a
Speaker 3: hamstring injury and he only played six games last year.
Speaker 3: He had a turf toe injury, torn ligament, turf toe injury,
Speaker 3: and he and so the problem where he was likely
Speaker 3: in the eyes of the analyst falling is because there's
Speaker 3: no time on him because he hasn't run.
Speaker 1: Well, can't they watch him play?
Speaker 3: Yes, but you watch him play now if there is
Speaker 3: a medical issue that would drop him for sure, we're
Speaker 3: talking where would Will Johnson from Michigan six two and
Speaker 3: ninety four pounds, and he looks the part he is.
Speaker 3: He's really good.
Speaker 1: So and I like Baron, I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: saw him work out and I was sold and I
Speaker 1: listened to him talk. Oh yeah, he's got more confidence
Speaker 1: than Everson.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and so he is from the characters standpoint, and
Speaker 3: that he's he's like a Buka in terms of all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: So see, and if for people for us to understand
Speaker 1: why we kind of pointed out the cornerback position. I
Speaker 1: got concerns that Trayvon Diggs is not going to be
Speaker 1: ready to start the season.
Speaker 3: You've got multiple needs at cornerback that you got not
Speaker 3: only Jordan Lewis, but also you lost him.
Speaker 1: You got Dran Bland and and don't tell me career.
Speaker 3: Is the guy that they traded for. And you got
Speaker 3: Kaylin Carson.
Speaker 2: Who tell me about Elam? Who is this guy?
Speaker 3: Kyer Elam was a that's what sopposed to be checking.
Speaker 3: Kyer Elam is the one they traded for. He's not
Speaker 3: in the draft, but he was a first round draft
Speaker 3: pick of the Bills in twenty twenty two and basically
Speaker 3: got beat out by a sixth round pick, Christian Benford
Speaker 3: from that same draft. So he was available here going
Speaker 3: into the last year of his contract, and the Cowboys
Speaker 3: traded for him. Last year, he played in thirteen games,
Speaker 3: started four for Buffalo, and so he's and in his career,
Speaker 3: he's got twelve starts in three seasons with two interceptions.
Speaker 3: Still young.
Speaker 2: Just he's young.
Speaker 3: He'll turn twenty four May fifth, so as so he's
Speaker 3: the same age as in fact he may be let
Speaker 3: me look, he is seven months older than Judd A.
Speaker 3: Barron out of Texas. Baron turns twenty four in December
Speaker 3: and Kyrie Elam turns twenty four next month.
Speaker 1: Because as it stands right now, without knowing about Diggs,
Speaker 1: you would have to say, Cayln Carson has to really
Speaker 1: step up and get back to playing the way he
Speaker 1: did in training camp and early in the season before
Speaker 1: he got injured.
Speaker 3: You would think that, even regardless of what happens in
Speaker 3: the draft, that they're looking at another corner veteran guy
Speaker 3: bring in here after the.
Speaker 1: Draft, because my concern about Diggs is I'd like to
Speaker 1: see him out here rehabbing. He's doing it on his
Speaker 1: own again like he did his ACL.
Speaker 3: That concerns me.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do it here?
Speaker 2: So how did he do it with his ACL?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Not as good as I mean, it took him a
Speaker 1: while to get going.
Speaker 4: Do you think it made a difference he was here
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm being Devil's avay, I'm being a jerk here.
Speaker 2: I just because Yeah, I don't know what you know.
Speaker 2: I wish things.
Speaker 4: I wish they had a better connection, yeah, between the two.
Speaker 4: But I got to see what happens with this because
Speaker 4: you know, right now, all we've seen is a lot
Speaker 4: of negativity when it comes to.
Speaker 3: You know, it's almost like it's almost like, you know,
Speaker 3: they do a medical rechecks on draft picks. They go
Speaker 3: back to indian Acay, like if there's a question about
Speaker 3: a player's injury. When they always have to combine in
Speaker 3: late February, they'll do a medical recheck. They fly them
Speaker 3: into Indianapolis to do it again a week before the
Speaker 3: draft or so it would have happened this past week.
Speaker 3: It's almost like you'd like to do it with your
Speaker 3: own veteran players. And in some ways it happens when
Speaker 3: they show up for the voluntary off season preak. It
Speaker 3: can happen that way. But if you don't have them,
Speaker 3: if they don't agree to it, whatever, you like a
Speaker 3: medical recheck right now, see where Trayvon is in his REHAC.
Speaker 4: You would think the January that they're paying him, you know,
Speaker 4: I get that part of it.
Speaker 1: He's also got a workout bonus you can earn if
Speaker 1: he's here in the off season.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that that hadn't begun yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would imagine it began last week when
Speaker 1: they start.
Speaker 3: It wasted last Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're you're just you're just talking about appearances
Speaker 4: on the field out there, Yeah, doing work, signing in whatever,
Speaker 4: documenting it. I'm sure he can get. What are the
Speaker 4: maximum amount days that you can have? What's the maximum? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's because in the Valley Ranch we had,
Speaker 4: you know, you had like I think a total of
Speaker 4: forty five workouts that you could have had in the
Speaker 4: off season or something like that, and I made like twelve.
Speaker 4: So just think about that necessarily depending on what you
Speaker 4: got going on. It's not necessarily uh you know, warranted
Speaker 4: a mandate or whatever.
Speaker 1: Is what about financially, what would it be worth you
Speaker 1: to make sure you were here working out if it
Speaker 1: was today.
Speaker 4: Well, then ain't thirty five thousand? I could take that
Speaker 4: five thousand. So that's what I was dealing with now.
Speaker 2: Right, he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, now we're probably in at least one hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I turned my nose up
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: We're talking possibilities in the first raft, right, and we
Speaker 3: looked at the wide receiver running cornerbag running bag.
Speaker 1: So one more on the cornerback thing. And I still
Speaker 1: think you got to keep it in mind. We talked
Speaker 1: about it last week. Uh the cornerback.
Speaker 3: Revel.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's my guy the.
Speaker 1: Second probably second round, and Doctor Cooper did the ACL
Speaker 1: so they know all about him and they've done that
Speaker 1: before or with guys in the second round.
Speaker 4: And see the thing about any group, whatever group you have,
Speaker 4: the why the defensive back that you want. You want
Speaker 4: someone that has a mentality. Okay, you got guys. You
Speaker 4: know the guy from Michigan, he's you know, Will Johnson's amazing.
Speaker 4: He's got the size. I think that was about my
Speaker 4: size when I came I'm sure he's got a lot
Speaker 4: more muscle than what I had when I came out.
Speaker 4: But these guys are all physically imposing and all of that.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 4: But besides Travis Hunter, you just don't see DB's with
Speaker 4: that mentality. Travis Hunter has that mentality because he's a
Speaker 4: white receiver.
Speaker 2: As well as a defensive back.
Speaker 4: You know, I was Drew Pearson fans, so I thought
Speaker 4: I was a wide receiver growing up. So every time
Speaker 4: the ball was in the air, I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 3: Mine and that's a Trayvon Diggs mentality. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: looking for in these corners.
Speaker 2: That's why I like you, guy, Rebel. That's why I
Speaker 2: like him.
Speaker 4: I saw the video, the video that you gotta showed
Speaker 4: me last week. There's a mentality that you can see
Speaker 4: as they cover. They're not just going for the cover
Speaker 4: of the knockdown of the heat and not going just
Speaker 4: to strap it down the seatbelt or whatever that crap is.
Speaker 4: He's going that he's looking for the ball. The wide
Speaker 4: receiver is no consequence to him. That's the mentality that
Speaker 4: we have to have here. And on one guy's coming here.
Speaker 4: Oh he can cover. He's physical and all that.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: Physicality is one thing, but intelligence and intellect is another thing.
Speaker 4: I want you going after the ball when that ball
Speaker 4: is in the air for you, because when it is
Speaker 4: in the air, it is yours. Is not the knockdown.
Speaker 4: You're going for the I don't want to call it an interception.
Speaker 4: You're just going for the ball. And that's his mentality.
Speaker 1: And all acls are not equal, right, So the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will know everything they needed that scar about his right
Speaker 1: because and they've done that before in the second round.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a thought at the cornerback position.
Speaker 2: I want to get that in before we Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my next position was defensive end at number twelve.
Speaker 1: And I think Bill has a favorite.
Speaker 3: I do I have a favorite, and he's from Georgia.
Speaker 3: There's two defensive ends from Georgia. Jalen Walker's one of
Speaker 3: them who was an off the ball linebacker and so
Speaker 3: he projects is either an off ball linebacker or an
Speaker 3: edge rusher and kind of in the mold of a
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons. And both these guys are really young. I
Speaker 3: think Walker will be gone. He's from carol and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: he'll go. I mean Carolina picks at number eight and
Speaker 3: the Natives are going to be really mad if they
Speaker 3: if the Panthers pass on him. But the guy that
Speaker 3: I like as well is Mikeel Williams. And when I
Speaker 3: look at and he's from Georgia. He'll turn twenty one
Speaker 3: in June. He's twenty years old. He is sixty five
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty five pounds with thirty four and
Speaker 3: a half inch arms. He play he but he is
Speaker 3: a Georgia bull dog. You you the last week of
Speaker 3: the week before ever since that what we need in
Speaker 3: this draft. We need a dog, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know right, that's right.
Speaker 3: So I went looking for a dog.
Speaker 2: Were looking for it.
Speaker 3: And the way that I look at at what the
Speaker 3: Cowboys have lost on their defensive line and what they've
Speaker 3: added this off season. Okay, think about what they've lost,
Speaker 3: a couple of defense of tackles. But on the Chauncey
Speaker 3: Golston signs with the Giants, DeMarcus Lawrence signs with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: What they've added are Solomon Thomas is an inside guy
Speaker 3: in a rotation defensive tackle, but he can play at
Speaker 3: times on the outside in a pass rush situation. We've
Speaker 3: got Dante Fowler, who is a he is a speed
Speaker 3: rusher and is another one year and he's on a
Speaker 3: one year contract, six million dollar deal. Uh, They're getting
Speaker 3: Sam Williams back. And Sam so far in his career,
Speaker 3: has shown that he is a sub package edge rusher.
Speaker 3: We haven't seen him in a position to defend the run.
Speaker 1: And they were hoping last year he was that, but
Speaker 1: he never got a chance to show.
Speaker 3: And where I think Michael Williams sets him apart. And
Speaker 3: there's a lot of really good defensive ends, edge rushers
Speaker 3: that going from the first through the fourth round in
Speaker 3: this draft. But where I think Williams sets him apart.
Speaker 3: And in mind when you look at his tape that
Speaker 3: for much of the year last year he was playing
Speaker 3: on a high ankle sprain and he missed several games
Speaker 3: because of it. Came back and he couldn't practice during
Speaker 3: the week. He would just play, which says a little
Speaker 3: bit about us toughness as well. But he defends the
Speaker 3: run and he's got the ability to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: And I think I think when he walks in the
Speaker 3: door here, he would be the best run defender of
Speaker 3: what they've got on their defensive line. And I think
Speaker 3: that they have not replayed. My point is I don't
Speaker 3: think they have replaced d Law. And you look back
Speaker 3: at last year when Dee Law went down the fourth
Speaker 3: game of the year. About that same time, they lost
Speaker 3: Parsons for four games. I lost Nielan got hurt during
Speaker 3: that time. But you look at and he was already gone.
Speaker 3: But the loss of DeMarcus Lawrence was huge for this
Speaker 3: team last year. And just think about what he's done
Speaker 3: for the last decade. I think this Michael will Williams,
Speaker 3: he reminds me of Daneil Hunter who came out ten
Speaker 3: years ago. And but he's also got the mentality of
Speaker 3: a DeMarcus Lawrence, and I would I would have no
Speaker 3: problem at all with the Cowboys picking him at number twelve.
Speaker 1: Because the only other thing they did there in the offseason.
Speaker 3: Was Peyton Turner, who is unproven even though it's a
Speaker 3: former first round draft he hasn't gotten on the field,
Speaker 3: but he was like three hundred snaps last year with
Speaker 3: the Saints.
Speaker 1: So defensive end at twelve, you would have no product.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, I think there is still a need there
Speaker 3: despite the fact they've tried to fill it as best
Speaker 3: they can with some pass rushers with the with Dante
Speaker 3: Fowler in free agency.
Speaker 1: See and and and he's probably one of those guys
Speaker 1: someone who's going to say, well, they could trade back
Speaker 1: a few and still get them.
Speaker 3: I've seen, but don't I've seen some people think of
Speaker 3: them as being the second best defensive end of this draft,
Speaker 3: like a fifth pick on their board, and others have
Speaker 3: him twenty second, So who knows.
Speaker 2: See and like.
Speaker 1: I like him more because I've seen the production on
Speaker 1: the field as opposed to the guy from A and M. Right,
Speaker 1: Samar Stewart a workout guy.
Speaker 3: And there's here's another difference. Samar Stewart doesn't have the
Speaker 3: production on the field, but he was just blew out
Speaker 3: the combine right, yes, I mean just his explosion numbers
Speaker 3: are just.
Speaker 2: Through the roof.
Speaker 3: Why didn't he explode? But Michael Williams see see. One
Speaker 3: of the reasons the analysts aren't high on Michael Williams
Speaker 3: is and they're probably scouts in NFL office. They cannot
Speaker 3: stand on the table for Michael Williams because he did
Speaker 3: he has at time, there are no measurables for him.
Speaker 3: I mean, he did a forty at a Georgia pro day.
Speaker 2: Was not just a forty exactly right, exactly.
Speaker 3: And so and one of the reasons as he didn't
Speaker 3: was because their season was so long. He played into
Speaker 3: mid January, and so he wasn't ready yet.
Speaker 4: So when you talked about defensive ends and linebackers can
Speaker 4: be pretty much used the same depending on what side.
Speaker 2: The linebacker's playing. We need a guy.
Speaker 4: If you're talking to replacing DeMarcus Lawrence, then that guy
Speaker 4: has to be run smart and passed rush smart.
Speaker 2: He's got to be able to do both.
Speaker 4: He's got to be able to impact that edge so
Speaker 4: well and then also make a difference when it comes
Speaker 4: to the run.
Speaker 2: Then you want to have that.
Speaker 4: Same push and explosion coming off the edge, off the
Speaker 4: edge and pass. You could also do that with an
Speaker 4: inside linebacker as well, if you've got these guys up
Speaker 4: up front, if we're showing up enough, there have been
Speaker 4: many times when, as with Michael Parsons, a linebacker made
Speaker 4: a difference on this defense. If you can get a
Speaker 4: linebacker that can be a multi talented linebacker with that mentality,
Speaker 4: with that dog that we talked about, if he can
Speaker 4: set that edge as well as run pass rush off
Speaker 4: the edge, that'd be great as well. But also you
Speaker 4: got that inside linebacker, one of those two linebackers being.
Speaker 2: Able to control that that part of his field.
Speaker 4: You're talking about somebody that can make a huge difference
Speaker 4: the way Michael Pawson's did well.
Speaker 3: And they've got a guy that they traded for in
Speaker 3: Kenneth Murray who has those type traits. Now he's played,
Speaker 3: you know, mid linebacker in this league, but you look
Speaker 3: at his traits. He ran a four or five at
Speaker 3: the combine. He's got thirty eight vertical and at six
Speaker 3: two and forty one pounds and he had three and
Speaker 3: a half sacks in fourteen games last year for Tennessee,
Speaker 3: so he was used a little bit getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I would love to know what ibra Flus's plan is
Speaker 1: for Kenneth Murray if he's insider outside and because he's.
Speaker 2: Got thinking like Singletary's. You know, see he was Sam Mills.
Speaker 3: With Overshown overshow he had five sacks last year. And
Speaker 3: see that's what excites me about Kenneth Murray here is
Speaker 3: when Overshown gets back and you pair those guys up,
Speaker 3: and because Murray's athleticism is very similar to what overshowns is.
Speaker 3: And to your point, there are different ways that you
Speaker 3: can affect the quarterback with your linebacker.
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you play the run
Speaker 1: at middle linebacker?
Speaker 2: No way back to the poss's deal. Is this what
Speaker 2: we're talking about?
Speaker 3: Well, they kind of need a linebacker, and especially with Overshown,
Speaker 3: I mean, when's he going to be back? You know,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: So I would I would not be getting a player
Speaker 4: like that out of the out of the box first round.
Speaker 2: I would not be a post to that.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a guy Jihad Campbell from Alabama who is
Speaker 3: he was actually recruited and that he's dealing with a shoulder.
Speaker 1: Elder surgery but after the combine.
Speaker 3: But he is a guy who was actually recruited to
Speaker 3: Alabama to be an edge rusher, but they had edge
Speaker 3: rushers on the team. He was going to be backing up,
Speaker 3: so they put him my linebacker instead, and he played
Speaker 3: so well at linebacker he just kept him a linebacker.
Speaker 3: But he's got those same type traits. And Jalen Walker,
Speaker 3: the one from Georgia, is in that same boat.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the only other option at this point at
Speaker 1: linebacker would be Demone Clark right to play in the middle.
Speaker 3: Well, and then they got the Amorus Leah foul from
Speaker 3: it would be one of third round pick and Jack
Speaker 3: Sanborn and then Santa started three games for ibra Flus
Speaker 3: in Chicago last year.
Speaker 4: Also, let's just remember we gave up a lot of
Speaker 4: yards running in passing. But if you're going to pick
Speaker 4: something first, you gotta stop the run. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 4: why getting one of the bigger guys I would be
Speaker 4: I would not be a posted as.
Speaker 3: Well, but typically you can get those bigger guys in
Speaker 3: later rounds and so in fact, Schottenheimer talked about it
Speaker 3: at the owners meeting. Is building a team from the
Speaker 3: outside end. And if you look at it, if you
Speaker 3: look at the stats the last five years. I just
Speaker 3: saw someone posted this this morning. This morning, first round
Speaker 3: picks at different positions on defense, and it was defensive
Speaker 3: ends and cornerbacks, like in the neighborhood of twenty five
Speaker 3: of them for each have been selected in the last
Speaker 3: five drafts. In the first round, you go to defensive
Speaker 3: tackles and it's like less than ten linebackers and linebacker
Speaker 3: is low too, really, and it's because most teams have
Speaker 3: that same attitude. It's getting the outside guys. For wide
Speaker 3: receivers on offense, there's wide receivers are right up there
Speaker 3: with quarterbacks going in the first round. Yeah right, that's
Speaker 3: exactly right.
Speaker 1: Well, let's look at it this way. They gave up
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety cards rushing to New Orleans.
Speaker 3: What happened in that game? That was a loss.
Speaker 1: They gave up two seventy four to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: What happened in that game? It was a loss.
Speaker 1: They gave up one eighty four rushing to Detroit two
Speaker 1: twenty three to San Francisco.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? Stop me? When they
Speaker 2: won one game whether we so, but that.
Speaker 1: They gave up one hundred to Atlanta.
Speaker 4: That's Thedelphia And we're talking these numbers here.
Speaker 1: From Houston one forty five? Did they win that first
Speaker 1: game against Washington?
Speaker 3: So you're telling me, yes, that was the kick return game.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, one forty five to Washington. Wait, I'm
Speaker 1: not done.
Speaker 3: Go back to the previous season too.
Speaker 1: They gave one seventy nine about the Philadelphia second game
Speaker 1: and one thing.
Speaker 4: So did did no one say, hey, let's didn't no
Speaker 4: one start reading off stats like this in front of
Speaker 4: his face, like come on, but I'm sorry. So you're
Speaker 4: saying you said it, not they said it. You said
Speaker 4: they can find some guys that can feel those needs
Speaker 4: later down the road.
Speaker 2: Is that what you know?
Speaker 3: That's that's what the league says.
Speaker 2: Okay, you said that, right, No.
Speaker 3: I said it, But that's because that's what the league
Speaker 3: has done. That where linebacker is usually third round is
Speaker 3: where the run comes on.
Speaker 4: They're trying like they're trying to they're trying to force
Speaker 4: a narrative, Uh that ain't fitting, which.
Speaker 1: Not here speak to defensive tackle right.
Speaker 3: Trying.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, I'm thinking inside outside, they're going outside in.
Speaker 1: Well, they're talking about who can affect the game.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about who. It's funny at
Speaker 3: the same time that they say you build the team
Speaker 3: from the outside end, they also sayamus one in.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'm not understanding. So I'm reading out
Speaker 2: the numbers.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you during I have.
Speaker 2: Three heart attexts. Oh no, man, you just got the hitache. Man,
Speaker 2: Come on, my symptoms are there.
Speaker 3: You're treating my number. But the problem is here, it's
Speaker 3: in my chest.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I got me on.
Speaker 1: That's why that's why Tyron Tyron Smith's retirement ceremony last week,
Speaker 1: the guy with the biggest smile.
Speaker 3: On his face was a Jason Garrett because that was
Speaker 3: what he wanted to do. That's exactly in the draft,
Speaker 3: and that's what they did with his But that's outside
Speaker 3: Travis Frederick and then there's yeah and so that does
Speaker 3: count as outside. Yeah, tackle is a tackle counts. And
Speaker 3: that's why you got Tyler Guyton last year.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's.
Speaker 3: Why Mickey says you don't draft a guard in.
Speaker 2: The first round. Don't go out there.
Speaker 3: They're insight.
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Speaker 1: And at least I don't know how much he's doing,
Speaker 1: but at least he's I've seen him physically here for
Speaker 1: he was here for Tyron Smith's retirement.
Speaker 3: Celebration.
Speaker 2: DA was feeling pretty pretty emotional for Tim. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: And you know this thing about him saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could play tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to let.
Speaker 1: Him play tomorrow in the first place.
Speaker 3: And the second place is uh.
Speaker 1: While I've seen him do some of the stuff he
Speaker 1: does on the Resistance chords, he's also did some of
Speaker 1: that without him, right, So he's moving well, he can run, uh,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he wants to go through contact tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Hey, before before we moved to how about timon Smith?
Speaker 4: What do you think guys think about his retirement? What'd
Speaker 4: you think about it?
Speaker 2: Oh? I thought that his legacy here we don't really
Speaker 2: know much about him.
Speaker 1: My first thought was listening to him to read his
Speaker 1: retirement deal that he scripted out, and he cheated us
Speaker 1: because he didn't like talking, right.
Speaker 3: And he's so big. We were afraid to go even
Speaker 3: though he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1: But oh no, no, no, it's okay, yeah, good with me.
Speaker 3: What if those strong hands, what if he grabbed you
Speaker 3: by the neck. He was somewhat profound, right, I didn't
Speaker 3: It was out of It was more out of respect.
Speaker 3: It was really this. I think for reporters, it was
Speaker 3: a respect for Tyran that we didn't bug him because
Speaker 3: we knew that he was a quiet guy whatever, and
Speaker 3: he had in the league as a player. He commands
Speaker 3: that kind of respect from his peers in the league too.
Speaker 1: You think about this, he should have showed up with
Speaker 1: one of those knee braces on his elbow.
Speaker 4: What do you think about his impact on this, on
Speaker 4: the league and on the team itself.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought it was the beginning of the Cowboys restructuring
Speaker 1: their roster because they had suddenly gotten old and expensive
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and they started losing guys retiring.
Speaker 1: And he was the first piece of the puzzle that
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was like, we got to have this guy, Hudson,
Speaker 1: How we got to have this guy?
Speaker 2: We ran behind him a lot, didn't.
Speaker 3: They did every lot behind him? Right?
Speaker 1: And then you picked up Travis Frederick two years later,
Speaker 1: and then Zack Martin and Lael Collins. Also that Laye
Speaker 1: showed up.
Speaker 3: He was there. He wants to play, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hear, Laloe, if you get an offer,
Speaker 1: I just put it out there right because he said,
Speaker 1: my knee is finally recovered and uh and.
Speaker 3: He looked he looked like he was the Cowboys Charles.
Speaker 3: That's right, Iamadnagy the last week, why not him workout?
Speaker 2: Huh? Now, I just had to hear.
Speaker 4: You know, we we have some great legacy around here
Speaker 4: regards to the offensive lineman. As much as we talked
Speaker 4: about Tyron and how imposing he is, we never really
Speaker 4: just talk about, you know, how he impacted this team,
Speaker 4: the culture of this team, and we start talking about
Speaker 4: the culture of this team. That was the beginning, and
Speaker 4: that's when we didn't have any great running backs until
Speaker 4: Oklahoma came.
Speaker 2: Murray marcol Murray came.
Speaker 4: I just remember watching him play in against Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 4: when we went up there and dominated those guys, and
Speaker 4: that defense was not an easy defense. We smoked them.
Speaker 4: Murray was running up and down the field and he
Speaker 4: had to have over one hundred and fifty yards that game.
Speaker 4: And to watch That's that's when I knew that this
Speaker 4: team had really arrived, because it was a road game
Speaker 4: and we're playing against this vaunted defense.
Speaker 1: And what reminded me about his hands?
Speaker 3: So they gave.
Speaker 1: Him a commemorative football.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a black football. I'm not sure what it
Speaker 1: was made of. He had his hand around it, and
Speaker 1: I swear to god, his hand took up half the ball, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm going I think this happened that someone and
Speaker 1: I can't remember it was him or flows Al Adams.
Speaker 1: They nicknamed him Hotel California because for defensive guys you
Speaker 1: could check out, you could never leave if he got
Speaker 1: his hand like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was him, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and they did a highlight film before the ceremony started,
Speaker 1: and it just reminded you how dominating dominated was just dominating.
Speaker 4: I mean, I told you I went on one of
Speaker 4: those cowboys who whatever, we did something and caravan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, but he his his.
Speaker 3: Well in the highlight video, you're and for those not
Speaker 3: watching ever since, is punting towards his I said, but.
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, And in the in the tribute video that
Speaker 3: they put together, one of the sideline reporters shows the
Speaker 3: shot of the brace that was on the elbow and
Speaker 3: and it was a and so she says, that's not
Speaker 3: an arm brace. That is a leg brace that's on
Speaker 3: on his arm, and that's a knee brace elbow last night.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad I have the video of him dancing.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna I'm gonna get a ransom from him
Speaker 4: some kind of way.
Speaker 3: By the way, twenty fourteen is a pretty good season
Speaker 3: for this team. Game if not for.
Speaker 2: That was the year they went to Seattle.
Speaker 3: They went to Seattle that year. The game you're speaking
Speaker 3: of had one hundred and fifteen yards rushing in that game.
Speaker 3: If it was thirty to twenty. I remember Terrence Williams
Speaker 3: of the catch on the sideline right game was a
Speaker 3: signature moment that game. So I called up the game
Speaker 3: logs for DeMarco Murray. In the twenty fourteen season, he
Speaker 3: cared and for the entire season. And this goes back
Speaker 3: to the offensive line and what Jason Garrett did convincing
Speaker 3: Jerry and everybody that we have got to do off
Speaker 3: we got to take care of this offensive line. And
Speaker 3: you take Tyron Smith and then you take Travis Frederick
Speaker 3: and then you take Zach Martin in the first round. Okay.
Speaker 3: Murray had three hundred and ninety two rushing attempts that
Speaker 3: season for eighteen hundred and forty five yards, averaged four
Speaker 3: point seven yards to carry and one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 3: eleven twelve one hundred yard games that season.
Speaker 2: It was so good watching him run. I loved it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, flashes of ou and this was post acl surgery.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, because he used to be much faster, right,
Speaker 4: It used to be much faster, and then he adapted
Speaker 4: and became that uh, methodical runner.
Speaker 2: And you could do that behind an offensive.
Speaker 1: Line, I think, and I think that Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley did the entire.
Speaker 3: Running back field a.
Speaker 1: Service to remind him what you can do if you're
Speaker 1: running back.
Speaker 3: It's really gating, a pointed out in his Players Tribune
Speaker 3: letter to the all NFL gms.
Speaker 1: Oh he's And I'll tell you what if you haven't
Speaker 1: read it, go to the Player's Tribune and see the
Speaker 1: letter that Ashton Gent wrote and sent it to all.
Speaker 3: The gms in the league. It's phenomenal. It's tackle football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I used the.
Speaker 3: Excerpt draft the guy who can't be tackled is basically
Speaker 3: what he said.
Speaker 1: This is tackle football and I can't be He said,
Speaker 1: see what Barkley did, I can do that, right right.
Speaker 1: I used that at the bottom of my column last
Speaker 1: on Friday. Yeah, and just remind you, you know how
Speaker 1: like ric O'Donnell, he gained more almost sixty percent of
Speaker 1: his yards the last seven games, right because they finally said, okay,
Speaker 1: we're sinking our teeth into you.
Speaker 3: You're the running back because I had a backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he produced, but everybody knew we had a
Speaker 4: backup quarterback still finally able to start running.
Speaker 1: So I did I factored what he did those last games.
Speaker 1: If he had done that factored over seventeen games, he
Speaker 1: would have had a sixteen hundred yard season. He didn't
Speaker 1: get the opportunity. So the running back does matter, by
Speaker 1: the way, but we know this wine, Yeah, it matters too.
Speaker 3: And one of the notes, I'm glad you mentioned that
Speaker 3: about Jason and his impact on the drafts then, because
Speaker 3: I think you've got a coach here, yes, Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 3: And I was able to sit down with him last
Speaker 3: week and talk about the whole approach to the draft,
Speaker 3: going from the combine when they had the entire coaching
Speaker 3: staff there and they're studying players and meeting to Pro days,
Speaker 3: Dallas Day, draft meeting rooms and so forth. And this
Speaker 3: is what I'd noticed about Schottenheimer the first time I
Speaker 3: heard one of his press conferences as the offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: during the regular season last year. Where this guy knows
Speaker 3: the league. You can tell he knows the players in
Speaker 3: the league. You can tell he loves scouting players, and
Speaker 3: he's a grinder. And so what you've had happen over
Speaker 3: the course of the last few months is he has
Speaker 3: locked arms with Will McLay and Mitchella point and the
Speaker 3: entire coach the scouting staff, and he's making sure that
Speaker 3: his coaches are letting these scouts know this is what
Speaker 3: we look for in a football and Jerry will listen
Speaker 3: to a head coach that he respects, his evaluation ability whatever,
Speaker 3: which is what he did with Jason Garrett going back
Speaker 3: to when they drafted Tying Smith and Travis Frederick and
Speaker 3: Zach Martin. And so I really think Schottenheimer is going
Speaker 3: to have a voice in that room. And Schottenheimer is
Speaker 3: gonna have a good voice in that room because he's
Speaker 3: done the homework. He does all the legwork on it,
Speaker 3: and and and for sure.
Speaker 1: He understands the other thing that Jason Garrett, when we
Speaker 1: were talking about Brian Schottenheimer, he goes, well, look, how
Speaker 1: look where he's raised. And I forgot about this. He goes,
Speaker 1: you remember Marty Ball, Yeah, you know, and his dad
Speaker 1: you know it was run the ball, play defense.
Speaker 3: Especially elt Et, Tomlins and San Diego.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and run the ball, play defense and have good
Speaker 1: special teams.
Speaker 3: He goes in.
Speaker 1: For some reason, they were successful, except for the ultimate
Speaker 1: goal was to win.
Speaker 3: And his Jets team that made it to the AFC
Speaker 3: Championship game. They led the league in rushing one year
Speaker 3: and the Seahawks led the league in rushing one year.
Speaker 3: So when he was OC there, yep, all right, so
Speaker 3: very good.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 3: We talked about running backs, wide receivers, cornerbacks, defensive ends.
Speaker 3: And so I can't wait to see what offensive lineman
Speaker 3: the Cowboys pick of the first round, or the defense
Speaker 3: on or the tackle. All right, And so we'll be
Speaker 3: back to wrap it all up next Monday, eleven am.
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