1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: On paper and what you've seen in the last six weeks. Yeah, 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: it looks really talented. But whether or not there's some 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: consistency for the course of the season remains. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: To be seen. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: You've got gott Yes, I got writer for the Seattle Times, 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: Ryan Divish. We're just all charged up today because we're 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: covering two of the three most frustrating fan bases in 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball right now, or frustrating organizations, not fan bases. 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: But Ryan, how you doing, man. 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. We haven't talked to in Haver, Montana. 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Getting ready to go to spring training tomorrow. It's minus 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: twenty five. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 4: Yere, stop it are you serious? 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: You must have in your house. 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the fire going. It's it's not what 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: you want right now. 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 5: Wait, how far is again? I've never Okay, so there's 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 5: I've been almost everywhere. I've never been to Montana. How 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 5: far is where you live to Seattle? 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: It's about twelve hours. So I live here. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: I live in Montana in the off season, and then 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: I go back to Seattle during the season. I got 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: to get away from the traffic and everything, so I 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: come back to Montana. I live my hometown's got about 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: seven thousand people. 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 6: Opposed to like Billings and Great Falls and all that stuff. 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Is that I'm about an hour and a half from 29 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: Great Falls. 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Billings is about four hours, and then we're about twenty 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: five miles from the Canadian border. 32 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: Scenic Medicine Hat is on the other side. 33 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: M Do you moose stuff? Because I've always wanted to 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: do that. Do you moose hunt and all that stuff. 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't hunt anymore because I technically still have a 36 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: Washington driver's license, so it's been pretty expensive. But my 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: buddies moose hunt, elk hunt, They do all that stuff. 38 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's deer in our in the in the 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: town walking around all the time that are pretty big, 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: I know, like Seeger and all those guys come up 41 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: here to hunt all the time, and they tell me 42 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: how great it is. 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: But I don't get to do that anymore. 44 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I'll go out with my cousins or my buddies right 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: in the truck and then help them drag the animal out, 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: which is not exactly the ideal either. 47 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 5: That's the worst job in the world. That's the job 48 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: you don't want. You don't want that job. 49 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 6: That's how you get arms like that though. That's how 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 6: you get arms like that. Would you rather stay home 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 6: or go to spring training? Because everybody wants to go 52 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 6: where it's warmer. I have a feeling you would love 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 6: to stay in Montana. 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: But tell me if I'm wrong. 55 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: No, I'm ready for I'm ready for something warmer. Spring 56 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: training is a grind though, man like it is. It's 57 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: every day and and but I'm looking forward to it. 58 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: It's it's really easy this year with the Mariners. I 59 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: know all the players on the team. They didn't add 60 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: anybody new, so I don't have to you know, I 61 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it's all easy. 62 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: I just had the joke I was ready to go, 63 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: and then I only haven't one. I have nothing else 64 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: to say. You know, all the players are ready. So 65 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: let's before we even dig in. 66 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 5: I just got to no, you know, I got asked 67 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 5: before we even hit the storylines, and I think one 68 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: of them this isn't even in there. But they're world 69 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 5: series winner. That's why they didn't add anybody. We heard 70 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 5: the GM say it their world series ready Ryan. 71 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: So now with the storylines, well, let's yeah, let's hit 72 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: it because I want to ask him about it. So 73 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: here's the fancy front end four storylines at least just broke. 74 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: We'll get right to the big stuff at the top 75 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: and with the Ems eventually deal a starter for a bat. 76 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: Obviously they haven't done it up to this point. Let's 77 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: make spring summer for Julio Rodriguez and see if he 78 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: can figure out the beginning of the season. And also 79 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: for this Seattle team, we'll get to their flashy outfield, 80 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: which they've done a nice job building up. Randy roserain 81 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: of trade last year, picked up Victor Roeblaze, signed him 82 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: to an extension. He was good for them down the stretch. 83 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: And then the classic fifty four chance, will they tilt 84 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: towards the top of that number or the bottom where 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: you just miss the postseason, which has been a pretty 86 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: sexy thing for the front office to do lately. 87 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. 88 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: Teams broke, and they fixed it by bringing back the 89 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: same team. Polanco signs back Solano for Josh Rojas, and 90 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: there's your Mariners. 91 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: Of your thoughts, it was less active than I thought. 92 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I figured they would do something more than they did. 93 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: I think their intention was to do something more than 94 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: they did. But when you only have fifteen million dollars 95 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: of payroll, and you you know, payroll flexibility, you just 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: don't have a lot to do. 97 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: They looked at. 98 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: Signing Carlos Santana. They felt like he would be great 99 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: fit at first base, kind of a platoon with Luke Rayley, 100 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: good leader in the clubhouse, he's a he's been a 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: pretty good mentor for Julio Rodriguez. But you know, the 102 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: poll of going back to Cleveland, which not many people 103 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: say in their lives, but the poll of going back 104 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, to the place where it started his career 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: was more important for Carlos than maybe a little bit 106 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: more money and a second year. So they kind of 107 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: pivoted went to Donovan Solana, who is a nice pickup, 108 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. He's a nice pickup if you 109 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: have a finished product as a team. But when you 110 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 1: have questions at second base, third base, first base, that's 111 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: just not enough. Now they go out and get planco, 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, bring him back there, hoping for a bounce back. 113 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: But I mean, Jerry Depoto was kind of hamstrung with 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the minimum amount of payroll flexibility provided by ownership, and 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, they really didn't find any trades for their prospects. 116 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: I think they felt like they were going to be 117 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: able to move some of their prospects to get a 118 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: major league hitter. It just didn't happen, because, you know, 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: more teams believe they can compete than ever before. So 120 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: you really only have the White Sox and Marlins as 121 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: teams that are selling off pieces. Obviously the Rockies should be, 122 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: but they don't even know what they're doing. So you've 123 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: got maybe three teams that were in a position where 124 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: they might value prospects over major league talent. But all 125 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: the major league talent on those two teams is gone. 126 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: So they just couldn't find a way to make a 127 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: trade work and for their prospects. And with fifteen million dollars, 128 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't buy you a lot. You know, 129 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: it's like going to It's like going to a convenience 130 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: store with a dollar. What does it buy you anymore? 131 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 6: Maybe like a half a Snicker's bar or something, maybe 132 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 6: a water like the generic water. 133 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Can Julio. 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 6: Can Julio start hot? Because if he starts hot, like 135 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 6: right alligate April, right away, he could be an MVP. 136 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's important. He doesn't even have to 137 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: start out hot. He just has to start off something 138 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: better than he's beenning like each of the last three years. 139 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean the first year, he was a rookie, so 140 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: you cut him some slack, and he had a bunch 141 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: of calls, kind of a lot of call third strikes 142 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: on him that didn't go his way. You know, we'd 143 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: written stories about kind of the rookie treatment with the 144 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: strikes on. But the last two years he's come in 145 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: with the intention of starting off hot and didn't. And 146 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I think you know, once you you know, you get 147 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: through the first week and you haven't done maybe what 148 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: you were expecting. Then you start to chase, and you 149 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: start to chase and it just builds. And really last 150 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: year it was more than just April and May. It 151 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: was almost through the All Star break. You in twenty 152 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty three, he was a little bit better after June, 153 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: and then he got really hot in July, and then 154 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: August was absurd. But it took him so long to 155 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: get going last year. You know that it's a problem. 156 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: They have to find a way. I think he's in 157 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: a better spot to handle it. I think he's in 158 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: a better spot mentally physically. I think you know, what 159 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: he did in the last six weeks of the season 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: with the influence of Edgar Martinez getting them to refocus 161 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: on driving the ball up the middle and to the 162 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: right center gap and kind of getting away from you know, 163 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: trying to yank the ball over the wall in. 164 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: The field was big. You know. 165 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Increase the contact rate, and he makes such hard contact 166 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: when he does hit it. Increase the contact rate a 167 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: little bit more and good things will happen. His approach 168 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: was better with two strikes, His approach was better with 169 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: runners in scoring position. I think that'll carry over. You know, 170 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: last year he made some swing changes in the offseason 171 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: that didn't help, and he couldn't get his rhythm and 172 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: timing down early and all those things. And really, you know, 173 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: you can talk about what they didn't did or do 174 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: didn't or did do in the. 175 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: Offseason, which wasn't much. 176 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: But if the team's going to be good, it's going 177 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: to be based on whether or not Julio goes. Because 178 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: when he's going, even at an above average rate, not 179 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: even at his elite level, they're a lot different team. 180 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: Agreed. 181 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: Do you know why, I he'll be better because they 182 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 5: have Kevin Sitz there's a new hitting coach. And he 183 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 5: hates home runs, so he's gonna definitely tell him to 184 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: hit singles right and not hit home runs. 185 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: Trust me, I know, I played for him for two years. 186 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: Huge fan, I think. 187 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: But if he hits the ball. 188 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: The thing with Julio is when he hits the ball 189 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: hard to write field, it's a gap. Usually it's not 190 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: a single, you know, like and you know how it 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: is with some of these hitters. They're going to listen 192 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: to what they want to listen to, and they're going 193 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: to do what they want to do. I mean, I 194 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: think Bram Brown figured that out last year when he 195 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: got with his team and tried to implement some stuff 196 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: and they just some of the guys were resistant to it. 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: But I do think, like for Julio, there was a 198 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: bottoming out point last season where everything he had done 199 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: and everything he had done on his own and the 200 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: work he had done in the off season just wasn't working. 201 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: And you hit that rock bottom point as a superstar 202 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: and you struggle more than you ever have in your career, 203 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: you start listening to maybe the right people, and I 204 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: think with Edgar, just the idea of hit the ball 205 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: hard up the middle, use the field, you know, and 206 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: hit it hard and don't focus on where you're hitting 207 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: it hard to I. 208 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: Think is really important. And really Edgar is still the 209 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: overriding He's the director of their hitting. 210 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't call him an offensive coordinator like 211 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: they did with Brent Brown, but he's the director of 212 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: their hitting philosophy. So I think you know, you'll see 213 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: Edgar working with the guys that want to work with him, 214 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: and then Sites is going to have to work with 215 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: the rest of the. 216 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Guys as well. 217 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: Got it all right? 218 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 5: So what about the rest of the outfield? Can can 219 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 5: Edgar and siteser get Rose Arena to be less streaky? 220 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 5: Because when he's hot, he's like he's I mean, he's 221 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: the hottest guy on the planet. But then when he's not, 222 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: I mean he's there's a lot of strikeouts and a 223 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: lot of people are standing there going, man, he's striking 224 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: out a lot, right. But then you have Victor Roblaz, 225 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: who came over last year and was a revelation for him. 226 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 5: So is this outfield good enough with a good Julio, 227 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 5: a Rose Arena and Roblaze to make these Mariners good? 228 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: It certainly has the potential to be better than it's been. 229 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like you look up from an athleticism standpoint, 230 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, Randy had twenty bags last year stolen I 231 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Robos had over thirty. Who had over thirty. Like they 232 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: can run the bases, they can go get it in 233 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: the outfield. Randy can be a little indifferent in the outfield. 234 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: But you are concerned. 235 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like the concern is this is like if 236 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: you look at Randy's numbers, they've steadily trended lower each year, 237 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: and you know, and that was you know, even when 238 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: you're hitting in the AL East, which is a heck 239 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: of a lot more hitter friendly than the AO West, 240 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: So there is some concern there. You know, the swinging 241 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: mis numbers are a little bit higher. And Roboa is, 242 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: i mean for six hundred games of his MLB career 243 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: was kind of a disappointment. And then he gets to 244 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: Seattle and at the new start, and I think under 245 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Scott's service is you know, the previous manager kind of 246 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: let him just be who he is. You know, I 247 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: think Davey Martinez got tired of who Victor Roblaz was 248 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: for much of his time in DC, but like Service 249 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of let him go and he flourished, but is 250 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: he going to be the guy that hit three thirty 251 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: for sixty some games or is he going to be 252 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: the guy that was like a two twenty seven hitter 253 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: with LOWBP and lots of base running mistakes and all 254 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: that stuff that he was with DC. So I think 255 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: that's there's a lot of questions about whether or not 256 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: this outfield is good. Like on paper and what you've 257 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: seen in the last six weeks, it looks really talented, 258 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: but you know, whether or not there's some consistency for 259 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: the course of a season remains to be seen. 260 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 6: Obviously, we talk about fifty four chance of making the 261 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 6: playoffs every year. 262 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: It can't it can't not be brought up. 263 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 6: But how much wider is this window open with this 264 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 6: elite rotation, the best rotation in baseball? And are they 265 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 6: going to take advantage of it after they missed the 266 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 6: wild card by one game one game last year, all 267 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 6: that down that they had and they missed it by 268 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 6: one game with a rotation that could dominate the entire playoffs. 269 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, like you look at it and 270 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: you wonder if they've gotten that much better, But you 271 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: also think, well, is Mitch Garver going to be as 272 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: bad as he was last year, or is JP Crawford 273 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: going to be as bad as he was last year? 274 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: You know, those guys really struggled and so maybe the 275 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: bounce back will help them get over the top. But 276 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: also those guys that rotation, they made more starts than 277 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: any team in baseball, Like you know that group of 278 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: five guys, you know, they they all made more starts, 279 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: their rotation, pitched more innings than any rotation in baseball, 280 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and they only use seven starters. You know, you in 281 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: an era where very few guys go two hunt stars, 282 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: these guys all were up there at that level. And 283 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: you know what you wonder is will they be able 284 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: to sustain that sort of consistency and that sort of 285 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: health for an entire season. Again, you know, George Kirby, 286 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert did not miss to start, Bryce Miller did 287 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: not miss the start. 288 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: Brian wu had. 289 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Some hamstring issue and some elbow stuff early, and Luis 290 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Castillo had a hamstring issue. I mean, like they only 291 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: used two other starters, Emerson Hancock and Jonathan Diaz. Like 292 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen in Major League baseball anymore. But 293 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, if that were the case, if they were 294 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: able to kind of maintain that. Then I think the 295 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: other pieces, you know, if they have bounced back from 296 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: the offense, and I think the big thing is they're 297 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: bullpen getting better, getting Matt Brash back, getting a healthy 298 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Gregory Santos. 299 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 2: I think that makes them better than maybe a year ago. 300 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: Right before, I ask you last question, who's cooking behind you? 301 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: What are they making? Because I'm kind of hungry. 302 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: Uh, my girlfriend's daughter is home from school, so she's 303 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: making chicken strips. 304 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: I hope she's making me some sitter. 305 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 5: That sounds like that sounds like she's cleaning up, but 306 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 5: hopefully she has some good sauce for you. 307 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: All Right, I. 308 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 5: Gotta ask you this, since we haven't really talked to 309 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 5: you about this. They got rid of Scott Service you 310 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: mentioned him, brought in Dan Wilson. What's he going to 311 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: bring to the table. I know we saw him down 312 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 5: the stretch and they played a little bit better down 313 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 5: the stretch to get close to the wildcard. What's a 314 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: full year or two of Dan Wilson going to look 315 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: like in the Marritor's dugout. 316 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 317 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think it looked that much different last year 318 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: in those last six weeks. I mean, like, you know, 319 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: he's people sat there and said, oh, well, he wants 320 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: to butt more, they want to steal more. I think 321 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: that was just reflective of the situations in the game. 322 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: I do think like his belief and his belief and 323 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: better two strike approach was more important. Maybe that's what 324 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: transitions more. He's definitely a player's manager. I think last 325 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: year he was very cautious in terms of what he 326 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: wanted to say or what he wanted to do because 327 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: he likes Scott's service and he didn't want to kind 328 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: of trash him and you know, and he also didn't 329 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: want to make a lot of ways. He just kind 330 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: of wanted to see what they could do in those 331 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: last six weeks and see if they could piece it together. 332 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: But these guys this year, I think we'll see a 333 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: little bit more. I think Dan, you know, we'll kind 334 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: of step forward and be a little bit more vocal. 335 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: I do know, like if you could recall last year, 336 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: a Rose Arena had an incident. 337 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: I can't remember which team. 338 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: It was just kind of you know, how he takes 339 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: pitches and some of the he got hit by a 340 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: pitch and some stuff, and there's some gawing back and forth. 341 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: I watched Dan Wilson pull him aside and have a 342 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: very frank conversation with him about kind of how you 343 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: handle things on the field and you know, not getting 344 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: putting your teammates in a bad position to maybe get 345 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: take one in the back. And I think stuff like that. 346 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: We may see a little bit more. But from an 347 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: overall scheme standpoint or philosophy standpoint, other than being better 348 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: with two strikes, which I know Scott servis preached too, 349 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see a lot because it's especially 350 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: the same roster. I mean, they can't really can't really 351 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: set it up to play any differently than before. Maybe 352 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the pieces are a little healthier and they can run more, 353 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: or maybe the pieces are a little healthier and they 354 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: won't platoon as much. But from the from the overall standpoint, 355 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean the GM and ostensibly Jerry Depoto, they control 356 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: so much of how the team is set up and 357 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: how the team is going to play that you know 358 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: the manager is there to make sure that the culture 359 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and everything else is in a good place. 360 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: Akay. 361 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: The lineup is set every day by the front office. 362 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: This is not one of those maybe this is here's 363 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: the lineup. Put it up on the card. 364 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going there. It's like fifty four 365 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: percent jokes. 366 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: The next the first funny The next funny one I 367 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: hear will be the first funny one. But like now, 368 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: those are always funny, Ryan, this is modern, but modern 369 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: baseball anymore is so different about the lineup and lineup instruction. 370 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: But like you know, they are set up to have 371 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: the platoon. They are set up. It's at several positions. 372 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people hate that, but that's 373 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: where their talent level is and that's how they're playing. 374 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: It is kind of strange to me that in so 375 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: many ways for a team that has a market and 376 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: a fan base and a popularity as much as it does, 377 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: that they try and operate like the Rays in terms 378 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: of cost cutting and overall philosophy when they could be 379 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: something more than that. Nobody's asking them to be the Dodgers, 380 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: and nobody says they have to be the Mets. But 381 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: there is a different area that they can get to, 382 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: a next level tier that they could get to in 383 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: terms of investment into this team, I just think is 384 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: lacking and until that thinking changes and winning and making 385 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: the postseason becomes more than a spoken priority. 386 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't see it changing from that point. 387 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: And I don't even know that a fan base reacting 388 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: negatively and not showing up would change it either. 389 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to be in on the Japanese guys, Ryan, 390 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 5: how are they not in on? 391 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: How are they not in on those guys? 392 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 5: I mean I was there when the euro came over 393 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 5: right in Sazakiki, right, the splitter, this closer guy came 394 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 5: Kassazaki right, I mean I was there for those guys. 395 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 5: That place was insane when it was right, I mean, Ja, 396 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 5: they already were in on all the Japanese guys. Now 397 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 5: they don't even bother. 398 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: It's like, why, well they tried with Roki. 399 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: They didn't get an interview, they didn't get the second 400 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: interview after their presentation, So like, I mean, I that's kind. 401 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: Of where they're at. 402 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the perception of the organization isn't great right 403 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: now because they aren't winning. And like, if you're a hitter, 404 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: you certainly don't want to go there because you hear 405 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: about the horror stories of hitting there in April and 406 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: May and in late September, and when you don't win, 407 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: and you don't do all these things, and you're far 408 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: from a lot of where a lot of places ball 409 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: players live. You've got to do something to change that perception, 410 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: or you have to pay more to get these guys 411 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: to come here. And I don't think that these guys 412 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: are willing to do that when they were when they 413 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: were willing. You know, people can say what they want 414 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: about the Robinson Cano contract, but for the first five 415 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: years of that deal, he was pretty good. He lived 416 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: up to the billing, and they you know, I remember 417 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: remember when they signed Nelson Cruz to a four year 418 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: deal for I think fifty eight million. Nobody else was 419 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: willing to give Nelson Cruz that fourth year because oh 420 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: he's getting older and this and that. 421 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know what he produced. He paid. 422 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, they paid the extra money to get him 423 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: in there, and he produced. That's the mindset that they're 424 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: going to have to have. I remember when the Nationals 425 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: went out and everybody said it was an overpay for 426 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: Jason Worth, and they said it was more than just 427 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: the production number and the value that he would bring, 428 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, And was that much later that they were 429 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: playing in the playoffs consistently, and they eventually got a ring, 430 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: so I think you know, the investment into the team. 431 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: There's different ways to do it, but at some point, 432 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: like the overall mindset has to be more about winning 433 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: and what. 434 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: It takes to win. It's one thing to say it, 435 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: but it's another thing to show it, and they've done 436 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: very little to show that they're interested in winning at 437 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 2: the highest levels. 438 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been so many corner infield bats available 439 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: on the market and they are just losing fans in 440 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: droves right now. Do not look at replies on social 441 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: media from Mariners fans for a playoff team. They are 442 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: really trying their best not to get people to come 443 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: to the ballpark despite having a good product. Anyway, Ryan, 444 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: thanks for joining us, dude, always great to have you. 445 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: Appreciate you and save travels Arizona soon. 446 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 6: Man