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Speaker 1: heard several gobbles coming from different places within five yards

426
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: of our location. There was plenty of turkeys to just

427
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: wander through this meadow that we're sitting. So we know

428
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: that there's turkeys, right. We also know that they're not

429
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: making any noise. But in our minds. In my mind

430
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: and my turkey under mind. Every minute I'm like, well

431
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: what if I when if I just if I went

432
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: over there and I just made a call and I

433
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: got my fan out, I'm trying to fan them over.

434
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about other things that I could be

435
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: doing while sitting here, absolutely zero action. And what we

436
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: were talking about is Phil had a good analogy for that. Yeah,

437
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: I am terrible at this. It's like when you're in

438
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: line at the grocery store, like you're at a costco.

439
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: It's busy, and then you notice the line next to

440
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: you is moving really quickly, so you're like, oh, let

441
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: us hop over into that line, And as soon as

442
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: you get into that line, the other line starts moving,

443
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: so you hop back into that line. Like when you're

444
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: trying to change lanes during a traffic jam, it's probably

445
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: best to just stay where you are. In this case,

446
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: the same. But you know this, this podcast, now that

447
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: we're actually out here hunting, is really going to be about.

448
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I said, I like where we're at, Phil, because I

449
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: think it's emblematic of a lot of turkey hunts. It's

450
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: not emile back of all of them. Because sometimes you

451
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: sit down and you all and when comes in and

452
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: you shoot it, it's like, well that's easy. But two

453
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: most turkey hunters like this is a huge part of

454
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: the game where you're unsuccessful, and it's sometimes it seems

455
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: really hopeless, like there's not like today the sun is

456
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: about to come out from behind the cloud. It's fifty

457
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: degrees maybe degrees. You know, it's it's the first day

458
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: of May. It's there should be some things happen. We've

459
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: heard every other type of bird that you can think of,

460
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and um, it might seem hopeless for turkeys, but it's

461
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: just never. It's never hopeless. So it all turns. It

462
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: turns in like a moment. It takes one weird moment.

463
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 1: Like I was telling you this year in Texas, we

464
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: were sitting in a spot like this, I told the

465
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: story in the podcast, and then all of a sudden,

466
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: there was a turkey there and I shot it. Like

467
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: it felt really good to be able to pay off

468
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: that patience. And I hate to be hyperbolic, but it's

469
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: kind of a nice life lesson, always trying to find

470
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: life lessons in the woods. Phil. Now we're back to

471
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: the present time and you couldn't tell by the step,

472
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: the sound quality. Sound quality, that's the only way to

473
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: track two people in different you know, jumping through time.

474
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: I can make it sound like like we're still outside

475
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: and just trying to check them out. Don't put any

476
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: gobbles in the know. They'll know it's not real. Um

477
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: as you can tell if we were let me just

478
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: say this, if we had been in Turkeys this whole time,

479
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: we would have never had this, these back and forth,

480
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: these rationalizations, this back and forth like what is turkey anting?

481
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: What are we learning? Why are we here? What's life about?

482
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: We would not we'd have been we'd have been talking

483
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: about how to coax these silent tom's or in this

484
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: case nonside times over. But here we are, so we ride.

485
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna show you the truth no matter what. And

486
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: we gotta transition now to uh the next day because

487
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: on that day we didn't have any action. We sat

488
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: there for a while and no gobbles, so we went

489
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of went back through where the

490
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: one was roosted, did a little calling. Nothing not a gobble.

491
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: We didn't hear a distant gobble after the fly down,

492
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: we didn't hear I mean, we're in a spot where

493
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: we could have heard gobbles from just about any direction.

494
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: But after that initial fly down, you know, I think

495
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the turkey that we were hoping to kill flew down,

496
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: hit the ground, gobbled once in the seconds after he

497
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: his feet touched the ground, and then silent, and every

498
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: other turkey so the credit of the one we thought

499
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: we might kill was silent as well. We didn't hear

500
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: another gobble at all. And so that's just as part

501
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: of the game. As we said, it's part of the game.

502
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: But now we gotta we gotta get to the next day,

503
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: all right, So now, uh, we made it. We made

504
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: a big change. We've hit our local spots. We had

505
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: to still manage our families and work, but we decided

506
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: to pack up our camp gear and go to a

507
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: spot where that is famous for guys killing turkeys, especially

508
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: people that work at meat eater. Yes, my curse is

509
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: now on the day like fifteen, and we're looking to

510
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: go to a spot where we can be sure that

511
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: there's more turkeys than their words in the places we're

512
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: hunting prior. Okay, so that's what we were doing. We

513
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: use about four hour drive from from Bozeman. We're gonna

514
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: camp overnight and We're gonna spend a couple of days

515
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: trying to kill turkeys, right, we keep going. Now. The

516
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: only limiting factor ful filling I is that we have families,

517
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: that we have jobs, and that we have real lives.

518
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: We can't just be out there for days upon days

519
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: upon days, but we can be out there for these

520
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: two very important days that we were out chasing turkeys.

521
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I say they're important because we're we're in a good spot.

522
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: We had good weather the first day, and um, I

523
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: was very excited. We got there late. We couldn't find

524
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: any birds on the roost. We went to bed Phil

525
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: about eleven thirty. It was, yeah, close to midnight. It

526
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: doesn't get it doesn't get dark. Fly ups not till

527
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: after nine thirty or so. We get back to camp.

528
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: We crawl in our tents. I don't think you slept much,

529
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: did you, buddy. It was a cold night that was

530
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: there was no cloud coverage. Uh. I was fully dressed

531
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: in a sleeping bag and my zipper got stuck. When

532
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: I went to bed, I was like, it'll be fine.

533
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: So my zipp was only kind of like half not

534
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: a sponsor. No, I'm not going to mention the brand,

535
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: but they're not a sponsor. Um and about I wake

536
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: up about one o'clock and just this just cold air,

537
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: just sneak it into my sleeping bag. I got probably

538
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: like two and a half hours of sleep. Maybe, Yeah.

539
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: We got up at three thirty. Alarm hit three thirty.

540
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: The idea was that we had to drive a little

541
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: bit of ways. But this is a roost tree where

542
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I had been during the aforementioned first like Turkey tour,

543
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: we had gotten on birds. They're not been successful, but

544
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, I had been there twice and

545
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: birds were roosting in the same ridge both times I've

546
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: been there, and so we may I made the calculation

547
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that we're gonna go to this spot because at least

548
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I know we have a real good chance of having

549
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: birds roosted on this ridge. We're gonna hit it. We're

550
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna hit it early. We're gonna get in there with

551
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: plenty of time to kind of explore the space and

552
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: be in the right spot for fly. Now. I'm excited.

553
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: At this point, we were very excited. I'm back on

554
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: the horse. I'm like, this is it, man. We have

555
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: basically have two days to get it done, and then

556
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough after that. Uh, these two days

557
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: that we were investing before we you know, before this

558
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: podcast aired, was really the time we had the pressure

559
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: was on. We needed to get a turkey for phil

560
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: Or I specifically would look like a fool. At least

561
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: that's how I drew it up in my head, right Phil, Sure,

562
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever said that out loud, but

563
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I knew that's what you were thinking. I made it clear.

564
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I made it clear, so we're both like. I didn't

565
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: even I got out of my sleeping bag. I didn't

566
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: even I slept in my hunting clothes, I got my

567
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: boots on. I didn't even bother to do any you know,

568
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: really any hygiene work. I mean, I just was fully

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: immersed in turkeys I was thinking about I didn't think

570
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: about anything else. I think about anything, no work, not emails, nothing,

571
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: you know. I thought about my family a little bit,

572
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: but then it was like full onto turkeys, fully just

573
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: thinking about turkeys. There was nothing else, but like, where

574
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: are the turkeys? How am I going to find the turkeys?

575
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: If Turkey's come in, what are we gonna do? Trying

576
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: to plan out the days in my head, it was

577
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: very exciting and important to me. Phil, What were your

578
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: head acause I was in the Turkey? I love it

579
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: for that reason. Well, I was in I was in

580
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: a you know, I we're not gonna say where. Obviously,

581
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of the state I had never

582
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: been before. I was just like happy to be there.

583
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: It was more beautiful than I thought it was gonna be,

584
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: seeing all this new country. Um, you know, I I

585
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: don't own a truck and you do. So we were

586
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: on all these roads that I never would have been

587
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: able to drive on and just just getting out into

588
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the back country and it was just fun being out there.

589
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: I could tell you were you were vibrating, you were

590
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: on a different plane. You were you were leading the

591
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: charge quickly on these trails, and I had to kind

592
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: of I had to kind of, you know, keep it up,

593
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: to stay on on on on your tail there. I

594
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: had to you you you were putting me into gear

595
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: and I was. I was there for it. You were

596
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: there for You're there for it. You know, sometimes when

597
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: you get it's just a mode that you get in

598
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: the woods where you're not even thinking about and it's

599
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: probably not a great thing to not have empathy for

600
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: the person behind you, or like you're just like I

601
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: gotta get that guy over there and go and if

602
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: you can't keep up, I'll stop maybe, but I'm definitely

603
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: gonna go hard. You know. We had a little bit

604
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: of a walk in the morning. We had to drive

605
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: in the morning. But we made it happen. Man, I was,

606
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: I was my on X really wasn't downloading the way

607
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I wanted it to side know where the roads were.

608
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: It's pitch dark while since I've been there. We made

609
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: it in parked, the truck got out hiked probably had

610
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: probably about a mild hike in. We got there perfect timing,

611
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean perfect timing. We were there about twenty minutes

612
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: before what I would say is fly down. We had

613
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: plenty of time to hear a gobble, to sneak in,

614
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: to set up the decoys, and to make love to

615
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: the turkeys and get him to come over. It was.

616
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: It was perfect, and it was kind of like a

617
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: very invigorating moment for me. Reinvigorating. And so we'll take

618
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you there. Okay, Phil, We've now traveled very far to

619
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: find turkeys. What do you think, Uh, well, so far?

620
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I said it last time. I'll say

621
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it again. Weather's nice. We we haven't had to this point.

622
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: We haven't really had any scenario where I would say

623
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: we've had anyhow well, someone's called luck. Well, we're in

624
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: a spot, another spot rough rooster turkeys were I know

625
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: they're at. Where have they been at in the last

626
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: a month or so? I haven't heard him go yet,

627
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: but we got plenty of time. We're in here kind

628
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: of perfectly in the morning, good friends, We're gonna do

629
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: some hiking, see who I can find. We didn't find anything.

630
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Did we feel you're just cutting right to the chase,

631
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: right to the chase? Nope, nothing. Frustration is in the

632
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: name of the game. We didn't find anything. Nothing. Let

633
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: me just say, let me just say, I'm gonna ask

634
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: you something. Would you say my spirits throughout these two days?

635
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: Would you say my spirits? I'm not gonna say hi,

636
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: but would you say that they were like moderate? Two?

637
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Good enough? No, you're you're you were there? Okay? Good?

638
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: Because I just want to because I just wanted. We

639
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: drove a while aways, We drove aways to a place

640
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: that I heard not just from you, but from multiple

641
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: people at this company. I mean, just turkeys you're you're

642
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna find turkeys turkeys. And so, when we were hiking

643
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: through these woods in the dark and I had gotten

644
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: no sleep, and I was I was tripping over all

645
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: these rocks following you, I was thinking, this is great

646
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't matter. We're gonna get it.

647
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna hear. If I don't get them today,

648
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I'm gonna hear turkeys. I'm gonna hear

649
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: some turkeys. I might even see some turkeys. I might

650
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: even call some turkeys in that didn't happen. Nope. So yeah,

651
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like I've been out there when turkeys got shot.

652
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: And then pretty much the exact same spot we were in.

653
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: We walked past spots where I know turkeys have died

654
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: this season if we walk past spots, we walked past

655
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: way points I had to give other people that work here,

656
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: and they killed turkeys in the spots that I had

657
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: given them. Oh, that was your first mistake right there.

658
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, but maybe would have spread the love. Um

659
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: and so, and we had some friends. I had some

660
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: friends from Texas in camp. They also heard no gobbles,

661
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: and so it just seemed like things were off again.

662
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest again. It was a nice morning,

663
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, beautiful morning. Yeah. I mean I just want

664
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: to say, if anyone podcast needs a meteorologist, I'm here.

665
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: I'll pop up to say, hey, whether's motivation is pretty good?

666
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Or else say yeah, whether it could be better motivational

667
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: speaker media both. But we continued on and there was some,

668
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: as I said, frustration. Okay, Phil, here we are, and uh,

669
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: roughly the third or fourth spot I've taken you to,

670
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: or I've said all the things a turkey hunter might

671
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: say to quit, you know, convince you that it's gonna

672
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: work out and there's turkeys, and that we're gonna get

673
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: into him. It's gonna be fun. And it's not happened.

674
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: It's not even close thus far. What What do you

675
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: gotta say the people out there? Well, I mean it

676
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: has been fun. I'll say that it's that we've been

677
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: getting some some hiking, hiking miles in. Um, there's nary

678
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: a cloud in the sky around here. Here we go,

679
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's it's gonna happen, then it's

680
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Keeping I'm keeping my head up. I gotta

681
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: persevere in these cases. It just takes one moment, one gobble,

682
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: one second, one shot. You got one shot, one opportunity.

683
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Something about moms spaghetti. Yeah, alright, we're back to present day.

684
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Enough of that ship. Like at this point, you'll you'll

685
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: you'll see you'll understand that I was like getting a

686
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: little loopy. Yeah, this this is when the muttering about

687
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: a curse was as happening loopy, sleep deprived. No, nothing's

688
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: going right. The story marked by failure. Okay, so next

689
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: we hit another spot. Okay, with little hiking. Now it's

690
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: it's roughly oh eight thirty nine o'clock, and we decided

691
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: to hit another spot where I know that are turkeys

692
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: have been seen in the past, heard in the past,

693
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: a similar spot. It was actually the spot where I

694
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: had I was choosing between two historical roost areas and

695
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: I chose the one we went to, and there's no

696
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: turkeys there. So I was like, secondary, we'll just go

697
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: check this spot out. So we get in the truck.

698
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: We like back to the truck, do a lot of calling,

699
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: walking and calling back to the truck and getting the truck.

700
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: We drive over there and I should I get out

701
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: the ONYX, I say, Phil we're gonna walk up this

702
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: ridge and there's a park up here. There's a meadow,

703
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: there's that has a a knob of tip right in

704
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: the middle of it, and the park that surrounds it.

705
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: And I begin to explain to Phil that I feel

706
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: like these turkeys love to be in these parks. They're

707
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: wide open, there's a lot of grassy cover, and days

708
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: like this when the sun is shining, they can they

709
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: can eat pine seeds, they can eat like grasshoppers or

710
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: other bugs that they just do their thing. They love

711
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: to kind of be on the edges of these big

712
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Ponderosa pine ridges that are kind of flat, that have

713
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: flat parks. So I explained that the films that we're

714
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: going with up this ridge, we'll call until we get

715
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: there and then we'll we'll see if there's any turkeys

716
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: they want to play. And so um, we get to

717
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: hike and fill and we hike up, up, up, up,

718
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: and we get right to the lip of the ridge

719
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: where the park begins with the flatness starts to grade eight,

720
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Grade eight flatten out and I look, I'm looking, and

721
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: I see a stick and this stick it looks like

722
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: a turkey's face, And yeah, turkey yeah, weird. You know,

723
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: turkeys normally do where they're like moving around, right, They're

724
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: bobbing their heads, they're thinking about ship pecking, they're doing

725
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: their thing. This turkey was completely still. You know, spoiler alert,

726
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: is was a fucking turkey. Oh yeah, okay, you just

727
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: gave it away. It was a turkey stick. It was

728
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: a It was a turkey. And this turkey, I mean,

729
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: this turkey was like what ten feet away, it was

730
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: ten yards away. It was. It was fairly certain it

731
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: was a jake, just by the way its head looked,

732
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. Tom was a male turkey. One we

733
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: would have shot if we had a chance. I mean,

734
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: we had called, we're ten yards away from this turkey.

735
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: We had just called like twenty yards before that, and nothing. Nothing.

736
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: We were like, okay, let's just keep trucking. So we

737
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: I was like, filky, damn, that is actually an actual turkey.

738
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: After like a couple of seconds, probably five to ten

739
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: seconds of looking at this turkey, and it didn't move.

740
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: It didn't move its head at all, and I thought

741
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: it could be a turkey stick, but then it yeah,

742
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: turkey headstick. And then it started to move slowly, so

743
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: I was like, get down, let's get up, And so

744
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: we crawled up this little ridge and we poke our

745
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: heads up. We crawl up behind a tree. We get

746
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: set up. I thought, well, maybe this this Jacerb will

747
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: filter down into you know, into this depression, and he'll

748
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: he'll calm down because he's clearly seeing us, or he

749
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: knows something's up, and then he'll come. We'll call him

750
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: back in. So we set up, we start to call

751
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: nothing that Jake has gone. But in the distance, feel

752
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: what happens? Well, as you were calling trying to get

753
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: this turkey, we just sawed back in. We heard was

754
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: that our first gobbles. It was a one of our

755
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: first gobbles on the ground. And we're now on day

756
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: out of the day four. I believe it's like one

757
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: of our first gobbles on the actual ground. And it's

758
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: in the distance. It's it's a ways away. But immediately

759
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: I was like Phil, I was like, I showed him

760
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: the onyx. I said, I know where this turkey is.

761
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: Like when I'm looking at this park, it's got this

762
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: knob in the middle and then on the on the

763
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: I guess with the south side of the knob were

764
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: on the northwest side on the south side of the knob.

765
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be out of the wind. This point, the

766
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: winds kind of kicking up. I know where these turkeys

767
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: probably are. Let's just go chase a gobble for once

768
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: in our damn lives. Let's go chase a gobble and

769
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: chase a gobble. We did, and we got a couple

770
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: of responses, and um, we ended up actually hunting. Yeah,

771
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: there was some there was some tracking happening. We were

772
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: we were, we were we were on birds, on birds,

773
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: that's what you say, right, Yeah, we're now on birds

774
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: and some birds for the first time many hours. Okay,

775
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: so like that, you have a face mask. I put

776
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: it on as quickly as I could, and so I

777
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: gave Phil forgot his head net that I gave him,

778
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: and I gave him my first like gator, a neck gator,

779
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: and he put it on. I'm looking at it, and

780
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: you kind of looked like you look a little bit

781
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: like a pilgrim. Well, here here's the thing, you this

782
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: is when, this is why, this is right after you

783
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: had seen that turkey from ten yards away and everything

784
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: just started happening incredibly quickly where I was like, oh shit,

785
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: it's going down. You started I like, because I had

786
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the decoys, you had the rifle, right, and so then

787
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I had shotgun. I had to put like carefully put

788
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: the decoys down without making any noise. I had just

789
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: unzipped my coat and it was like just kind of

790
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: flailing in the wind because it was getting hot. And

791
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: you were like, You're like, yeah, it's fine, So I

792
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: like put on the decoys. I'm trying to like zip

793
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: up my coat so I'm more covered in camo. And

794
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: then you were tossing me a gator. I didn't know

795
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: what a house, so, like I thought it was supposed

796
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: to go over my head as well as covering it was.

797
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was more like like a balad quava.

798
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: But you know it was just a neck gator, you

799
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: know how. And like Et has the hood like he's

800
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: pecking his little face out of the hoodie riding the bus.

801
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: What it looked like. It was just like that. So

802
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: then we went back to feel describing what's happening back

803
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: to the future. Clearly I did not do it correctly, Okay,

804
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: we ut. We just had a little jaker right out here,

805
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: probably spooked him. We were walking up into this park,

806
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: but we got a gob but probably say about three

807
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: d yards away, and he got but three times and

808
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: then he's kind of shut up. But it is windy.

809
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: So Phil, should we go over there and potentially bump

810
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: him or stay here the whole titan see if he'll

811
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: come across this this park and come see us. You're

812
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: asking me, Yeah, I'm asking me based on your experiences.

813
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: There's no wrong answer. Based on my experience, I say,

814
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: we go up there. Damn right, Phil, You damn right, Phil.

815
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: So um, at this point we're in the game. Finally

816
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: we're about to go try to kill this turkey. So

817
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: we hoof it over there. We get up on a knob, call,

818
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: call call, We get up on top of the the

819
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: tip that's in the middle of the park, just to see.

820
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: I love to have turkeys in this country, especially these

821
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: piny ridges come up to you. You always want to

822
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: be above him when you're calling to him. It's just

823
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: this a better way to go in my experience. So

824
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: we get above them a call and they're respondent like

825
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: we got I don't know four or five, half a

826
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: dozen responses from from these bird, this bird, or these birds.

827
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, man, if they'll keep goblin at least

828
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: we're in the game. It wasn't. I told you they

829
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: were kind of courtesy gobbles the way I explained them

830
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: to you, Like, this is not I'm coming like, let's

831
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: have a conversation. This is like I hear you, but

832
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay in my zone here. I'm not. This

833
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: is not an interaction where I'm excited about you because

834
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm it's the courteous thing. I hear you over there. Um.

835
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: So we kept going, but at this point, like it's

836
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: the wind kicks up, I'm not. I've been in these

837
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: situations before. I know we don't have a fired up gobbler,

838
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: but we have a gobbler that's better than nothing. And

839
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: so but I think we're feeling feeling a little bit loopy.

840
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean one of the things

841
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: you deal with phil a lot when you're tricky hunting.

842
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: Because my foot is completely asleep right now. M this

843
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: is a common turkey hunting issue. They call it turkey foot. Okay, well,

844
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I can't say I'm having the same problem. I got

845
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: these new snais bear tooth o ge just got a

846
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of circulation coming through like zero gez no, it's

847
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: zero zero g and expect people not to call it. Yeah,

848
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: well thanks for laughing at my dad jokes. They call them.

849
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: I think zero GE's but you do what you gotta do,

850
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: all right, Here we go zero ge sounds like they'll

851
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: make me some loop, that's true, Yeah, which at this

852
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: point would be preferable to walking. So here, Ah, we're

853
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: silly bitches. Uh. At this point, we're feeling a little loopy.

854
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: We decide we gotta keep on truck and get over

855
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: these turkeys because they're basically every gobble that we get

856
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: is either in the same spot or a little bit

857
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: further away. It seems yeah, they were moving, it was there,

858
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: it was getting further away. As I said, these are

859
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: courtesy gobbles, and so we're gonna cut the distance. And

860
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: we decide, you know, after understanding that we're in a

861
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: place where we explained where we think there's a lot

862
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: of turkeys. You know, as has been described to me,

863
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: there might be a turkey down every road or every

864
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: two track. I know other places where we've seen and

865
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: heard turkeys in the past. So I just want to

866
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: give them that. We don't have a lot of time.

867
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: I want to kind of get like, are these turkeys

868
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna commit I'm not gonna spend all day on these things.

869
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna do the best that we can. And

870
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: so we we go at them. A lot of crow calls,

871
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: a lot of hard yelps, a few cuts, big time clucks.

872
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna go. We're gonna cut cover this country. Get tight.

873
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: See what happens. Okay, Phil, we're back in the truck.

874
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: It feels good. I would I didn't have any water.

875
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: It's probably stupid, but now I have water. It is,

876
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: it's new and we've been hunting. Oh we hit I

877
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: think we hit the woods about four five in the

878
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: a m. It's noon, five hours asleep. Oh you got five?

879
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: Good for you? Yeah, about five and Um we started

880
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: out with no gobbls this morning in a spot that

881
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: that I have roosted birds in the past. Hit a

882
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: second spot where we have been into birds in the past,

883
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: and there was turkeys in there. Spooked to Jake and um.

884
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: Then proceeded to spood four times. That's right, you you Uh.

885
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: We talked about your spiral and how how you just

886
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: you you get into this pit of despair. Um, you

887
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: sound like you're there now, but I don't know. I

888
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: just saw some turkeys, So I'm not too disappointed. They

889
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: were big that last time, that big Yeah, he was

890
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: a big, big, beautiful white tips. Now I'm spiraling right now.

891
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: You know, when you get in a situation like that

892
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: and you screw it up, or you're making a decision

893
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: that results in spooking turkeys, I don't think I think

894
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: those are the first turkeys I spook this whole year.

895
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Us The thing I'm gonnaok, on the bright side, here,

896
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: we we needed to eat. We're we're both getting kind

897
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: of tired, and so we made a play and I

898
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: think it's a I don't know, maybe not a win win,

899
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: but but we we needed to get back to the

900
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: truck anyway, and and uh, you know now, and now

901
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: we know where there are some turkeys. I don't I

902
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's a bad, bad deal. No. And the

903
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: decision I made was basically, listen, you know, we gotta

904
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: we gotta cover country. We gotta find birds that are workable,

905
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: that are responding, that are firing up, that will come

906
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: to the call. You know, we gotta Yeah, these ones

907
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: were these ones are slippery, for sure. We gotta find birds.

908
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: These birds I think had been we've been hunting quite

909
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot, and to that end, weren't really They would

910
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: give us a courtesy gobble when we got tight and

911
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: they felt they needed to, but they really just weren't

912
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna weren't gonna play, They weren't gonna come to the decoys.

913
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: They weren't gonna really get fired up and come see us.

914
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: So I figured, well, where either gonna spook them, I'm

915
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: not gonna see here for four hours and wasted really

916
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: the only full day of hunting we have on a

917
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: set of turkeys that, yeah, marginal at best in terms

918
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: of my prediction that they'll come within range. So that's

919
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: the decision we made, and boy did it work out

920
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: the way I thought it was. All right, Well, we're

921
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: back into present, and as I played that back in

922
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: my mind, I feel the same way. I feel like,

923
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: fuck this, I really do. Um. It was a struggle.

924
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: It was a struggle, um, for anybody who's ever built

925
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: something up in in your head and and had it

926
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: go the opposite of the way that you thought. We

927
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: kept running into situations that just didn't feel like we

928
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: were on the right track. Um. As we've said many

929
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: times on this show, there's some days you wake up

930
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: and you are a confident turkey hunter, and a lot

931
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: of those days the turkey, as Tom Kelly would say,

932
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: it takes that confidence and breaks your neck with it.

933
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: At this point, I felt broken, Phil, broken, Phil Um

934
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: is it okay? If I say that later in the

935
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: day it gets even worse. Then later the day it

936
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: gets even worse, and we continue to just talk about

937
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: how bad it is. So here we go, you know, I, Phil,

938
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: I'll say this to you, even though right now we're

939
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit down, You're you're a little bit down.

940
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: You're up. Yeah, you've done great. You've really done great.

941
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: You're kicking at thank you. I you know, I'm just

942
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: trying to just I'm just doing what you're telling me

943
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: to do. Oh you're punctual, well dressed, and um man,

944
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: you're we're hitting it hard and you're right there ready

945
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: to go. Every single time, Phil, Phils, You've You've stayed

946
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: positive through all this, Phil, you stayed positive. You were

947
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: in it with me the whole way. And I think

948
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: the listeners of this show have seen your evolution, and

949
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: they've seen you kind of be more excited about video

950
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: games than hunting. But I think something even from the

951
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: very beginning something had to have changed in your perspective,

952
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: like you had to have started to like really understand

953
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: the game of hunting. It felt like it felt like

954
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: you were starting like gradually understanding the game. Yeah, I

955
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: would say, I mean, i'd say they were they were

956
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 1: too specific moments that happened on this hunt where I

957
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: understood it more. That was the first one. When we

958
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: were those we were calling at those birds and like

959
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: you said, they're called you know, like you call them

960
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: courtesy cobbles. They're not. They don't have any interest in

961
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: coming in and checking you out. They're just kind of yeah,

962
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: like I hear you, I'm gonna go over here now,

963
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: have a have a lovely day. Um. And when we

964
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: were I don't think we we talked about exactly what

965
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: happened when we saw those toms. We had been calling

966
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: them and calling them the gobels kind of stuffed, and

967
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, well let's just go down and see

968
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: if we can see them. We were walking along the

969
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: trail and you copped them out of the corner of

970
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: your eye to the left, probably like seventy five yards away,

971
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: and you turned you I saw you like, like do

972
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: the your freeze face at me and we turned to

973
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: the left and they had seen us and just booked

974
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: it away. And in my mind I was like, oh,

975
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: great turkeys over there. But my first my first thought

976
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: was let's go get them, and you you were like

977
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: that that can't happen right now. I'm sorry to disappoint you,

978
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: but we have to leave, which which I didn't really understand. Um.

979
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: But of course, if you know, if you're a wild animal,

980
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: when you see something foreign and possibly aggressive, you're going

981
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: to run away and be on edge. It's going to

982
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: be hard to to get them. Yeah. To me, this

983
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: is like a just a complete and utter despair moment, because,

984
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: as I said, I don't spooking turkeys is something that

985
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: haunts me every time it happens, and it gets in

986
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: my psyche and it stays in there. Um. But in

987
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: this case, it was windy, the birds were not gobbling

988
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: very much other than our courtesy gobbles, and we just

989
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: needed to go find them, and we needed to see

990
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: if we could get in tight and make them work.

991
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: But we got in tight and they just gave us

992
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: a slip. And the crazy part is that they're as

993
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: they are running away, I look and I see this

994
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: giant I see two times ago up the hill, then

995
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: another than the fourth one, and where I'm talking probably

996
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: a four year old bird, huge beard, just the beautiful

997
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: white tips, big old red head, just kind of like

998
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: the turkey that you would want anyone to get. You know,

999
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: we're not trophy hunting here. We'll take a jake, but

1000
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: this is a big old mature time. And he was

1001
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: with three other mature times, and so we we went around.

1002
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: We went to the next pot where I said, hey, Phil,

1003
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: you know this is the spot where I've heard turkeys before,

1004
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: I've seen him before. Let's go there. We'll spend the

1005
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: midday kind of just piking around. You had some lunch,

1006
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: took like a thirty minute nap, and then spot a

1007
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: fifteen hour day here. I'm like, let's just take it,

1008
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, Let's grab a ten minute power nap and

1009
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: the sandwich and we go right back at it. We

1010
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: get back at it. I take Phil to the spot.

1011
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 1: We start driving through this meadow where we're gonna park

1012
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: and walk on a road and kind of call down

1013
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: in these two different um ravines. It's like you can't

1014
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: really call him a drainage. It just kind of cuts

1015
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: or turkeys like to hang out out of the wind.

1016
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: It's now you windy. We start driving up this park

1017
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: to get to where we're going to stop and do

1018
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: some calling, and there right by the road is a

1019
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: pile of fresh feathers from that morning. Someone had shot

1020
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: at turkey there that day that morning. And so yet

1021
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: again it's like, wow, okay, all right, that's another sign

1022
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: it's not a great thing. Keep on keeping on. We go.

1023
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: We don't hear a gobble um, and then we move. Well,

1024
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: then we start to strategize. And at this point that

1025
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: Phil starts to get into strategy with me, Like we're talking,

1026
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: we're having a conversation where it's not just me saying

1027
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: we'll go over here, Why, it's Phil starting to have

1028
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: ideas about where we ought to go. Well, I just

1029
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: knew that the clock was the clock was ticking. We

1030
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: had the rest of the afternoon and then just a

1031
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: few hours in the morning before I had to head home.

1032
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: So you were kind of toying with the idea of

1033
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: trying going back to the area that we went to

1034
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: in uh in the the man, I tie, I'm the

1035
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: time has just gone in my head. The very first

1036
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: area we we went that morning. We're like, let's I'm

1037
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: thinking about going back there, we'll scope it out again,

1038
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: or you were thinking about one more new area, and

1039
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I in my head, I was just like, I think

1040
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: we should go back to the place where we saw

1041
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: the turkeys, because it's still in my head. I'm like,

1042
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only place we know there are turkeys,

1043
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: and and we don't have a lot of time left.

1044
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: And you knew that that they were slippery, they were wildy,

1045
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: they were not responding you. You like your theory was

1046
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: that they had been pressured throughout the season. I mean,

1047
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: there were big birds, they've been around a while, they

1048
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: probably knew kind of what was up, and they did

1049
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: not want to play game, play play ball. Um, but

1050
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: I still was just fixated on going back. Yeah. We

1051
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: had two other groups of hunters with us that were

1052
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: in camp, were running around. None of them heard any gobbles,

1053
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: none of them saw turkeys. And so I'm sitting and thinking,

1054
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: this is the only turkeys that roughly seven hunters that

1055
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: I know of that are around running around here, I

1056
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: have seen or hurt. And we've been like we've been

1057
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: we've been going between and all of us we had

1058
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 1: like gone ted, like all all over the place around

1059
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: cut every creek We've we've called up every creek that

1060
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: we can think of, and so at this point it's

1061
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: just not working out for anybody, let alone us. And

1062
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: we got one spot with turkeys and listen, I've I've

1063
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: killed hard turkeys before, you know, and I've I've been

1064
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: able to make it work. So we're just gonna try

1065
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: to make it work. And we're just gonna have to

1066
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: be aggressive it just just because of the time. We

1067
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: don't have time to pop up a blind and sit

1068
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: in it all day and wait for these uh call

1069
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: shy educated as we call it in turkey hunting birds

1070
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: to come and decide that they're they're gonna play. So

1071
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: here we are. Okay, Ben, Throughout this whole experience, you

1072
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: have been very very gracious about You've just been very open,

1073
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: like Phil, do you have any questions, like like anything,

1074
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: just ask me anything You've I'm I'm an open book.

1075
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: Have at it. One thing I never thought of and

1076
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: just the one thing we just never talked about, because

1077
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: throughout this whole trip, you you, I mean, you just

1078
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: have the eyes that are tuned for this. You were

1079
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: seeing things I never would have seen in a million

1080
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: years signs tracks. You were seeing turkeys from just from

1081
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: far away, and you you know you've done this before,

1082
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for you for for decades. One

1083
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: thing we didn't talk about because throughout I've I've been

1084
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: just I was walking behind you through a lot this trip.

1085
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: One thing we didn't talk about was what happens if

1086
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: I see a turkey? Yeah, and you don't and you're

1087
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: in front of me. Yeah, so what happens next? It doesn't,

1088
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't form that it's but it's a bit chaotic. Yeah. Yeah,

1089
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: we'll give you the we'll take you back in time. Okay,

1090
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: So what just happened? We were walking along this ridge

1091
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: looking for turkeys. Were actually just headed back to the

1092
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: truck because it's getting a little stormy. And then I

1093
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: saw a couple of a couple of Tom's puttering around,

1094
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, about a hundred yards away, and then

1095
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: I got too excited and point it at them and

1096
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: then yelled at back. So we decided to go back

1097
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: to the area. It's now, you know, a couple of

1098
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: three hours before fly down, we're gonna go back to

1099
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: the area where we were before, and we know the

1100
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: turkeys are, they're tough. They're not gonna gobble, But we're

1101
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna go and we're gonna see if we can't a

1102
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: light touch hike around and very slowly work the country.

1103
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: If we can't get them to gobble, at least try

1104
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: to get them going back to the roost, you know,

1105
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: and see what we can do. Because we got one

1106
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: more morning to hunt, right, that's the plan. We're going

1107
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: at it. We're not deterred. So we go back, go

1108
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: up the go up the ridge. As we crest the ridge,

1109
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: we look to the west and is a lightning storm

1110
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: that looked pretty scary. There's it's black. Yeah, it looked

1111
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: like it was coming our way, and the wind is

1112
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: kicking up, and so we get to the top of

1113
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: the ridge, like, man, we better just go to the

1114
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: truck and ride this one out. It's not looking great.

1115
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: We better at least work our way back to to

1116
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: a spot where we can get down the ridge to

1117
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: the truck pretty quickly. If we start, you know, we

1118
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 1: getting hammered by lightning or something here. So we start

1119
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: working our way back very quietly. I'm calling about every

1120
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards and Phil has kind of starts to

1121
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: flank me to my left as we are working this ridge,

1122
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: and then I look over and feels like I see

1123
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: two turkeys, Like Big Ben, I didn't not to get

1124
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: your attention without turkeys, and so I let me just say,

1125
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: I should have put together just by watching the way

1126
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: you've been behaving throughout this whole trip, Like when we

1127
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: saw that when we were ten yards away from that

1128
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: turkey the first time, or earlier in the day, how

1129
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: you we were so close and you were it was

1130
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: with the game. It was about moving as slowly as possible,

1131
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: like stop walking, get low but not too quickly, crouched down, slowly,

1132
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: no sudden movements. But when I saw those turkeys after

1133
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: we had been looking for so long all day, and

1134
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to get your attention and

1135
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: bit and I like quickly shot my hand up and pointed,

1136
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: and that got their attention. I don't know if that's

1137
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: what spooked them at initially, but I think they stopped.

1138
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: And then so that I got down, like because we

1139
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: were walking through some tallish grass, I got low enough

1140
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: where I couldn't see them anymore. But just because I

1141
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: couldn't see them doesn't mean that they couldn't see me.

1142
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: So then I lifted my hand again. It's over by

1143
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: that tree. And then you were like, shut the You

1144
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: didn't actually say that. I said no, no, no no, no,

1145
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: You're like, don't wait at them. Yeah, I actually smacked

1146
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: phils hand out of the air, and I think you

1147
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: can hear it in my voice. And that last audio

1148
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: clip that's that's when I was down the same pit

1149
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: that that Ben had been in a few times. Because

1150
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: I was walking around like I'm messing this up, and

1151
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: Fils walking around like I'm happy to be here. And

1152
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: then he got like once we got to a point

1153
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: where up, I might have messed something up, we're both

1154
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: kind of able to commiserate in the messing up, but

1155
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: we're still on birds. I mean, this bird's kind of

1156
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: just like the one bird that I saw kind of tried,

1157
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, he like tried it all. If he didn't fly.

1158
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: I saw him kind of go down over the ridge

1159
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, let's just it's windy, the storm's coming.

1160
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: We gotta go back to the truck. Let's kind of

1161
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: work our way. I'm just depressed, but I'm like, let's

1162
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: work our way and just see if he's gonna run

1163
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: down in there. He's going to roost somewhere. We're an

1164
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: hour and hour and a half before fly up. He's

1165
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 1: gonna go down that hill and find someplace to roost.

1166
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: These turkeys want to be in here. I mean, we're

1167
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: a hundred yards away from where we saw the first

1168
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: turkey earlier in the days. Like, this is a place

1169
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: where these turkeys want to be. We have royally fucked

1170
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: this up, but we're gonna stay on it because we

1171
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of we're here to roost turkeys. We still do that.

1172
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Like we bumped them down the hill. They they're fully

1173
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: educated to our presence at this point. It's probably every

1174
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: hunter and every call. So we just gotta get We

1175
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: just gotta play the game that way. And then we

1176
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: started working down the ridge a little further and this happened.

1177
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: All right. We now spook that same turkey four different

1178
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: times and one day within about thousand yards of it

1179
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: each time. Philis when we're making the podcast, put yakety sacks,

1180
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: and it's that kind of this, because that's what it's

1181
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of the time laps of us running into Yeah, basically,

1182
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: you can tell he wanted to roost, and you're still

1183
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: you didn't want to. I mean, these turkeys are so

1184
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: educated that it's like I said, it's you hunt turkeys

1185
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: like this, and there's just you gotta be delicate now

1186
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: now that we've educated and don't forget, they're not gonna

1187
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: go very far. We'll be over there roost We might

1188
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: room in the morning on the roost um, but we

1189
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: haven't really got a whole lot of choice. Got dance

1190
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: with the ones that h burn the hand. I'd like,

1191
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: don't bite the hand that took it to the dance.

1192
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: That's a good analogy. You felt well done. So at

1193
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: this point you can here it's windy. It's just that

1194
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: storm is still rolling in. It's still rolling in. We

1195
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: spooked this bird. Now this bird actually flew down. So

1196
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: this was what five minutes after we spooked those three,

1197
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: we were like, oh ship, well let's keep going. And

1198
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: then there was one. It was just a single time

1199
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: with I mean that it was. That was a gorgeous bird. Yeah,

1200
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: he was the same one, the same one we were

1201
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: describing early. It's the same turkey. Uh. We spooked him again.

1202
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: He flew this time down the hill he went and

1203
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: again I'm calling four fifty sixty yards from him, and

1204
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: then we crested the ridge and there he is, and

1205
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: I could have if I had a shotgun in my hand,

1206
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: I could have probably took a running shot at him,

1207
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: which I never would have done. But he was that close,

1208
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: like they just were. These birds were locked down and

1209
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: they was just to hunt it. A silent bird in

1210
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: this way and wind like this, you just gotta get

1211
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: so damn lucky to see him before they see you.

1212
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: And we just we just didn't. Um, we just didn't.

1213
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: But the storm moved through and we started to we

1214
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: we worked our way down the bridge and we sat

1215
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: on this ridge and it was a beautiful evening. The

1216
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: storm moved to the north of us. There was it

1217
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: was like a very unique orange light kind of like

1218
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: working its way through the trees as the sun was

1219
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: going down. The clouds have now moved past, the wind

1220
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: is a little calmer, and after a pretty tumultuous day,

1221
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: Phil I said, Phil, let's just sit down, man, and

1222
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: let's just listen, and let's just enjoy where we're at.

1223
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: Because we have endured uh an ass kicking, but over this,

1224
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: over the times we've kind of been punched in the

1225
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: gut by these turkeys and we've had this all this

1226
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: failure I've been able to watch Phil have an understanding

1227
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: of what's going on around him in a way that

1228
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: only I think somebody failing that hunting can have, but

1229
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: also somebody that's just immersed in the hunting experience. And

1230
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty unique. So we got to sit

1231
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: on a ridge and talk about and think about where

1232
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: we were, how we got here, and why it's important

1233
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: to be in this place in this time. Well, Phil,

1234
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: now we're in the strategy at least we're sitting here

1235
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: talking talking turkey strategy. Yeah, I'm throwing out ideas like like,

1236
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. I mean, it's like

1237
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about earlier. We talked about this in this

1238
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: podcast for a long time. That, honey, is it's a

1239
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: game like Pursuit Man, you other than the heroes and villains, possibly,

1240
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: this is a strategy game. This is a a game

1241
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: of cause and effect that being out here in a

1242
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: wild place like this hunters downs acres, free to roam,

1243
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: land of sunsetting right over here right now, and sitting

1244
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: here talking about what a turkey is going to do

1245
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: in the morning and what we need to do is

1246
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: the essence of what sucks people in about hunting at least.

1247
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: I think if we tell ourselves it's the food and

1248
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: it's the culture, and we tell ourselves I think the

1249
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: story about what truly draws us into hunting. But I

1250
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: think what we're just doing, sitting on this hill thinking

1251
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: talking about turkeys, immersing ourselves in their behavior in order

1252
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: to find them, pursue them, and kill them is very

1253
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: human endeavor. It always has been, and that is the

1254
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: essence of what draws us in the rest of it

1255
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: is very essential gravy, but gravy none less to make

1256
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: any sense. Yeah, I'm with you. Listen, if we end

1257
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: up this episode of the podcast ends and we don't

1258
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: get a turkey, the truth of the matter is, the

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Speaker 1: truth of the entire thing is, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: we all hunt, right. I think we've invent reasons and

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Speaker 1: manufacture reasoning to kind of justify social norms or two

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Speaker 1: you know, further or concrete our connections with each other.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of things. But when you become a hunter

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Speaker 1: and you start to understand the pursuit of a wild animal,

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Speaker 1: I think you understand something pretty raw. It's about what

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Speaker 1: we are m hm and what we're capable of, and

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Speaker 1: that is that is essential? You know what would this?

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Speaker 1: This podcast started when I was sitting on a ridge

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Speaker 1: not so different from this one in Mexico Steve Rinella,

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Speaker 1: and we were asking questions like the ones will will

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Speaker 1: be asking forever. But at some level what fills learning

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Speaker 1: right now and what I know to be true is

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Speaker 1: that there is a primordial drawl to this chase, to

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Speaker 1: this pursuit, and there's human frailty. There's so many emotions

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Speaker 1: baked into it. Ego, all these things are paramount and

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Speaker 1: Hunt woods. It's hard to go, you know, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to ignore them. But the ups and downs of Hunter

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Speaker 1: like nothing else that I've experienced outside of my children

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Speaker 1: in those very human moments of being a parent and

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Speaker 1: loving someone. This is like a very close second to

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Speaker 1: that in terms of what it feels real in my life.

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Speaker 1: It feels important, essential, And if you can share that

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Speaker 1: with someone, even the little parts of it, even like

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Speaker 1: little shadowy corners of it, can be can can find

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Speaker 1: some light for someone else, and then one day they

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Speaker 1: can put that whole package together in a holistic way

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Speaker 1: mm hm for themselves. That it feels pretty good. I

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Speaker 1: still like to hear of Godblough, Phil I think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to wait until morning for that small, small,

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Speaker 1: slim possibility. M hm