1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Uh uh, we wait our reparations. You're listening to waiting 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: our reparation to production of I Heart Radio. It isn't 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: lynching light or being skinned alive, genocide of force the 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: working class to choose between paying that run on time 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: and getting back to work. Catching the German bings at 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: heaven side. It's freedom out its finest, and it's their 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: crime if they're not getting by, And it's my right 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: to fix my frost and tips and hit the gym 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: and miss my spit all over them. So tell me, 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: why are you so threatened by what's that? Now? You 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: value human life more than investment sized and so does Denmark, 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: South Korea, Canada, Australia, Friends, Ireland, Italy, Germany, UK, Spain 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: and the Netherlands enough to paint the people you be 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: so they can sit inside, and we deserve the same. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: To first to me, you want a general strike, ha ha, 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: that's all right. We're Congress back in business, just like 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Georgia is, with hamp to deal with shortages, events and 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: bank rolling their courtporate friends who once again exhort the 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: dumps as much as the Republicans will buck this up again, 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: give us relief with mortgages and rent. You leave us 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: force to pick between the Morrigan. Pitch intensely on the 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: pick that they'll be coming west forth to eat the rich. 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: For it to eat the rich, of course you'd be 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: a dish. Huh. Yeah, I thought that I had seen 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: it all. I don't know what's more to get living 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: under quarantine, got a nick good border stress, gave you 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: acid check, need more, but they show impressed. Seen three recessions, 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: three wars. I ain't forty year. It was gonna get 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: system failed. They can deny it. Ship is frail. Listen, well, 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna want you to go get as sick as 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: hell for somebody else to stop Cloud going for the 32 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: rebound getting boxed out. Hope it doesn't happen. But I 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: got doubts. While you win, you're fortressing the people getting 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: shot down because they're in the streets, and now the 35 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: cops are using hot rounds. I don't even want y'all 36 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: massive gets swung on, watch the world burn with some 37 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: gasoline draws on make that. But I'd rather take all 38 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: ship and as long as you flowers put a face 39 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: on it, wait for it. Not saying that I hate 40 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: all rich, but I smoke an l for all of 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: that hate. Y'all get dope. He my name is Dope 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: night Frank, and we are waiting on reparations. Hurry up. 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Ah So fuck well, I mean, there's no it's no 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: easy way to say. We might as well just say 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: because it's on both of our minds. But um, you know, 46 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: this episode comes after unfortunate bit of news this week, 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: the passing of journalists, political commentator, and activist Michael Brooks. 48 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: It's weighed pretty heavily on both of us. I was devastated. 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: I am devastated. We're both pretty big fans. Yeah. I 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: had recently, only recently gotten into his work, and it 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: felt like I was only very very recently becoming like 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: smart enough to fucking understand it. Like he had such 53 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: a like internationalist perspective, and she's like such deep care 54 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: for the struggles of working people around the globe. And 55 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: I learned so much from him about like uprisings from 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Brazil to like communism in India in the way that 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: they had organizedly effectively under COVID, and um, it's really 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: apartide and just like so many topics, And to find 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: out that he's gone, he hurts it's like every time 60 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: you listen to him speak, it's like you learned something 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: each time. But it's funny that you said that, because 62 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: it's like the way that I found out about him was, um, 63 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: it was actually him being funny. It was he was 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: he was hilarious. He was playing a clip of h 65 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I had seen him, you know, guests appear 66 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: on like Young Turks and you know, Majority Report, but 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: he was you know, at this point he had had 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: his show, I think, and he was playing a clip 69 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: of Alex Jones, like berating Ben Shapiro. But he said 70 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: it to the beat for Nazis Ether and it was 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: like the funniest shit I had ever heard. I was like, yeah, 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: I gotta find out who this guy. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. You know. Definitely was hoping at some point, 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: the more that we keep doing this, maybe being able 75 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: to talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. So if all our 76 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: listeners out there, if you would please join us in 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: a brief moment of silence for Michael, we really appreciate it. 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, go check out some of Michael streams with 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: the Michael Brooks Show on YouTube, um Patreon. He had 80 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: a book out about the Intellectual Dark Web that I 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: recently started reading and it's really good, um that you 82 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: can get via red Emma's and highly recommend um. Yeah. 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Just it's not too late to learn from him even 84 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: though he's gone. The thing about when you follow people 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: on YouTube like that is you feel like you know them, 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: so something like this happens, or you know, you feel 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: every day you feel a little bit harder than you 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: do for usually in situations like this. But then also 89 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: because of the nature of being a YouTuber, this is 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: just endless amount of content that you can always look 91 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: to remember him ever, Yeah, so go check that out 92 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: for sure. What else is going on with you? Oh? Um, 93 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: I'm finally ready to let you read my comic book 94 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: because I'm finished writing it. Finished writing it. Yeah, Like 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean to explain, the comic book was written, but 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I kind of went with the what they call in 97 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: the industry the stan Lee method, where I outlined the 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: story and then I drew it and then I put 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the dialogue and word balloons after and stuff. 100 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: So that's what I've been doing for the last month 101 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: and finally finished that. So um, yeah, look in your 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: in box soon you'll be everybody about everybody who's read 103 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: it so far said it's been dope. So you describe 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: it to me? I was just fucking mind blown. This 105 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: is the thing that exists or what exists to the one. 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: And because I've been like doing the dialogue, you know, recently, 107 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: it's it's been influenced by everything that's been going on, 108 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: so a lot of my current thoughts on stuff have 109 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: been incorporated into the story of it. I I don't 110 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: want to like tease it too much because it doesn't 111 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's no one can hold it in their 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: hands yet, So fucking download that ship. What about you? 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: Fun man? Just watching what's going down in Chicago and 114 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Portland's Yeah, did they already send troops Chicago? I don't 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: think they had. What's going on in um I believe 116 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Friday night they had a de colonized Zega gong hopefully 117 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: and pronouncing that right, protest for Black and Indigenous solidarity, 118 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: asking for us for you know, the government to decolonized 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: by like protecting community gardens in Chicago, by bringing down 120 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the Columbus Christopher Columbus statue, and you know, obviously to 121 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: fund the CPD and get uh Chicago cops out of 122 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: schools and uh protesters where I met with violence by CPD. 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: A eighteen year old activist with a Good Kids Mad 124 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: City named Miracle Boyd while filming an arrest, got several 125 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: teeth knocked out by a Chicago police officer. And UM, 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: I've been really heartened by the act. They haven't really 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: let up in that aftermath, Like the very next night 128 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: they were outside of Lory Lightfoot's house once again demanding 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: to fund CPD. UM. You know, I think at this 130 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: point the word is out about what's happening in Portland. 131 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: The mainstream media's finally picked up on what's going on. 132 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they've been going at it um as 133 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: far as like covering it. So that's been encouraging because 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean you would think if there's ever gonna be 135 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: a moment that's going to unify just everybody on like 136 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: different political spectrums, it would be literal jack booted thugs 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: like kidnapping people off the streets. You think the fucking 138 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: libertarians would have something to say about this. And Uh, 139 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean no, there's definitely boot liquors out there. I've 140 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: been I've been seeing them. There's like all of the 141 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: freedom of speech warriors that are always down to declare 142 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the end of Western civilization the minute some purple haired 143 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: kid won't let Jordan Peters and speak somewhere where are 144 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: you nig is at? Huh you can stop those in 145 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: the street where you at? Yeah? I digress, you know, 146 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this is all fitting with you know, 147 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's America. You know, on this podcast, um, and 148 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: maybe it's mostly just me, but you know, by extension, 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast, um, we talk a lot about the 150 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: revolutionary roots and potential for hip hop a lot of times, 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: but um, it's inevitable that eventually, sometimes occasionally we uh 152 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: in diving deep into hip hop's complexities and contradictions, we 153 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: address it's fawning over the President of the United States, 154 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Donald Day Trump. Donald and So this is a topic that, 155 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: like you feel really impassionate about it. I definitely have 156 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: thoughts to say, Louise, well, you know what, I feel 157 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: that we should clarify this right, like we should maybe 158 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: amend it and not necessarily talk about hip hop's relationship 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, but talk about rappers relationships Donald trup. 160 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: Hip hop is so many different things that I think 161 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of unfair to just mask all of it 162 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: like be boys and be girls and graffiti artists, every 163 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: this is this is more of a rapper thing because 164 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: it has to do with personas, Yeah, and like the 165 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: cultivation of like very specific kind of personas in hip 166 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: hop and in the rise of Donald Trump. Donald Trump, 167 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: in many ways, Donald Trump's very essence pre presidency represents 168 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways the very id of what 169 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: for at the very least mainstream American hip hop what now, 170 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's much to be said about the 171 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: turn that hip hop is taken on Donald Trump. This 172 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: is a public figure and that's all that we're really 173 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: dealing with here, Like, trust me, well, we can get into, 174 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: like you know, the political ramifications of this, but I 175 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: think that's pretty easy, you know what I mean. It's 176 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: fun Donald Trump all day in hip hop at this point, 177 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because of what he represents politically. 178 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: But as we all know, that wasn't always the case. 179 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: And Donald Trump was definitely a figure that was a 180 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: referenced numerous times over two d times, over two hundred 181 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: times in the last thirty years. So the takeaway from 182 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: all these references positive and negative, and most are positive 183 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: and favorable. By a count done by of song lyrics 184 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: about Trump were negative, while sixty we're positive. Two hundred 185 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: rap songs. Obviously, I know they've been way more than 186 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: two hundred rap songs created in that time, but that's 187 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: really that's a lot of references for anyone. That's crazy 188 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: if you think about that, you know what I'm saying, Like, 189 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: the only only other you know, figure that I can 190 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: think of that has that many references in hip hop 191 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: would be like Tony Montana, who's like famously not really 192 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: notoriously not a real person, not even necessarily his um 193 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: rise to political power, but he became such a commonly 194 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: referenced character in the story that is hip hop if 195 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: you actually go back and you listen to it. So 196 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: let's just give you a brief little history. So the 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: earliest that anyone can really recall hearing references to Donald 198 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,479 Speaker 1: Trump and rap songs would be around and that unfortunate, 199 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: unfortunate accolade is going to either go to the Beastie Boys, 200 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: the Fat Boys, or my pick of the goat iced tea. 201 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: But one of those cats had the first Donald Trump 202 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: bar I did a cart in the White House, and 203 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: after that Donald It's hard to think of Donald Trump 204 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: as anything other than a politician. At this point. You 205 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: can't really divorce him from his office or his power 206 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: or the party that's behind him. But if you really 207 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: do try to, just like take yourself back to a 208 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: time before that this brash, arrogant, self important, um verbose 209 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: dangerous like might be a criminal, but has like an 210 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: acceptance in legit business. Just there's just a lot about 211 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: who Donald Trump was as a figure that totally makes 212 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: sense that he was dealt with the way that he 213 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: was in hip hop up to that time. I mean, 214 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: no different than I mean if you just consider, if 215 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: you if Tony Montana was a real person, pretty sure 216 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: it would be like a horrible human being, you know 217 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, like not a good person. Pretty 218 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: sure Al Capome was not like a good guy. I'm 219 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: pretty sure Noriega wasn't a good guy, you know what 220 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, these are all figures that have been 221 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: referenced in hip hop time and time again, and I 222 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: don't think anyone is going to to to question the 223 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: references that will come in the future, you know what 224 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: I'm saying. The aspect of Donald Trump that makes it 225 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: such a regrettable reference going back is what he's become, 226 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, which to reveal himself to be. 227 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: But that is the issue to me, is that the 228 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: deal breaker he has revealed himself. Yeah, like like was 229 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: that not something that was obvious to people? All right? 230 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: So my thesis, as it were, if hip hop is 231 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: the most powerful cultural entertainment phenomena to happen in the 232 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: last thirty years, with its mainstream incarnation being at the forefront, 233 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: then does mainstream American hip hop have any influence over 234 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's rise to power? Now? By power, I don't 235 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: necessarily mean political power because again, one of the reasons 236 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: that we're not really tackling what hip hop's relationship to 237 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is now is because like at this point 238 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of cliche, Like the consensus is fun Donald 239 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: Trump for the most part, it's it really is something. 240 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've asked several rapper friends of mine, 241 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a hard thing to deal with 242 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: in music now because like making a song about your 243 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: thoughts about Donald Trump is like it's kind of passing. 244 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: It's like cancer is bad word, dude. Yeah, it's a 245 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: really interesting song exactly what racism is bad, you know, 246 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: like word, okay, we got we got you? Yeah, what 247 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: is what is your thoughts on that? Just just your 248 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: initial thoughts on just like that question he just wrote 249 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: out of the deal. He has pretty much lied his 250 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: way into people thinking he is something he's not. It's 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: already begun and he's gotten embraced by That's that's the 252 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: power I'm talking about. Yeah, Like does hip hop have 253 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: have anything to do with his rise to that? I 254 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: do not think hip hop is responsible for the rise 255 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. I wanted I wanted to make clear 256 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: something about that, because it's not as if these positive 257 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: Trump references to the decades have been turning young black 258 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: men out to vote for Trump in droves. According to 259 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the n y T, only of black men voted for him. 260 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know if we can really make the 261 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: connection of like these positive references throughout the the years, 262 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: and like, it's not that um saying that hip hop 263 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: is responsible for the rise of Donald Trump. I do 264 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: not believe that. But I don't believe that The Apprentice 265 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: is responsible for the rise of Donald Trump either. But 266 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I definitely know that there's a there's a part in 267 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: conditioning the public to be comfortable with Donald Trump as 268 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: a public figure. That the Apprentice definitely played right. Yes, yes, 269 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. Well, what I think is that, Um, 270 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, Donald D. Trump was a young man in 271 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: New York during the air of hip hop's ascendency. He was, 272 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: even if distantly there when it came up, and he 273 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: reportedly liked hip hop. Um, he had friendships with the 274 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: had friendships with people like Russell Simmons. Um. And I'd 275 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: say that this relationship between Donald Trump and hip hop, 276 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: and indeed some shared characteristics between hip hop creators, rappers specifically, 277 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: and the current president are what they are because they 278 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: were cooked up in the same cauldron. The same social, 279 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: cultural political forces that gave birth to hip hop, and 280 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: the same mentality that circulated within hip hop as a 281 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: result of these cultural forces also shaped Donald Trump and 282 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: who he has, who he became, who has become Um, 283 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and and and and some and some have even said, 284 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, Charles blow In two thousand eighteen even ventured 285 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: to say that Trump took after hip hop in some ways. 286 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: He and he quote unquote invidd he aped it. He 287 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: admired the men who learned how to monetize swagger. So 288 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: I think the really interesting question is to what degree 289 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: did hip hop Makedonald Trump who he is? That is true, 290 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: but even the implications of that, to me, like I 291 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: never even thought about it that way. But even that, 292 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: with what we know of Donald Trump, now, do we 293 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: think any of that reverence or respect was genuine? No, 294 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: I mean it was like it's in cultural appropriation and 295 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: it's superficial. I talk about the fact that Donald Trump 296 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: has always been a racist. Going back to seventy three, 297 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: the Justice Department that Trump discriminated against prospective black tenants 298 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: of his apartment complexes, rather than just screening out low 299 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: income applicants as they claimed at the time. The Department 300 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: of Justice said, black testers to more than half a 301 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: dozen buildings and we're denied apartments. But but similar white 302 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: testers would then be offer departments in the same apartment buildings. 303 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: So this is back in n seventy three, before before 304 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: he even has a claim to the fame of the 305 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Trump Tower, before hip hop was even really a thing. 306 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: So I do not disagree with anything that you said. 307 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a reason that they referenced 308 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: him so much. I'm not saying that there's no like 309 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: mitigating factors behind it, and there's very well a reason 310 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: for why there was that connection. There's a reason why 311 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was hanging in those scenes and was around 312 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: those people. I don't mean it and like, I gotcha, 313 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: see what you did. Yeah, that's not really how I 314 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: mean it. I mean it more so just is like 315 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe just letting any old body get 316 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: into our hip hop ship is not like a good idea. 317 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: Do you think people are have wisened up to them? No? No, no, 318 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: not at all. If anything, it's power has been in 319 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: the way it has fueled the white suburban imagination about 320 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: Black America and stoking those fears of it through reporting 321 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: on what's happening on the ground in Black America. Oh God, 322 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: these thugs are gonna come and rape your wives and 323 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: like whatever. Um that's sort of like white supremacy. Uh 324 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: that you know has linked arms with Donald Trump? Is 325 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: that have foisted him up as they're champion. Like hip 326 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: hop has definitely influenced that to a degree and sort 327 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: of stoked most fears that gave an opportunity for someone 328 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: like uh, Donald Trump too. I'm just always curious, right, 329 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's I didn't grow up in the States, And 330 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: something that will discover as as we go on with 331 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: these episodes is like there's certain things that I perceived 332 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: one way because I was living overseas as a kid 333 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: when it was happening, that maybe it didn't have the 334 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: same perception. Like there definitely was a point in my 335 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: childhood when Donald Trump is a figure I just knew 336 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: him to be like this rich guy. Yeah, but there 337 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: definitely was a point in my childhood when Donald Trump's 338 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: bankruptcy and like just the concept of bankruptcy was just 339 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: something that like I associated with Donald Trump. He was 340 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: like the most famous person that I knew that went bankrupt. 341 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: I didn't even really know what bankruptcy meant except that 342 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: you money is the only concept I had it, So 343 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: like I knew that, And from all of the research 344 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: that we've been doing, it doesn't seem like that was 345 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: ever like held against Donald Trump. Yeah, let me get 346 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, Like there's never any like I can't find 347 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: any references to you ni is gonna go broke like 348 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Like no one was ever saying that, like 349 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: he even though that was the reality of his life, 350 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: it seemed to escape between two tho nine. Trump's hotelling 351 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: casino business has declared bankruptcy six times due to inability 352 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: to meet requiring payments and renegotiate debt with bis Yo. 353 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: I mean, so that's like it's like the heyday of 354 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: most of these quotes that were like, yeah, that's like 355 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: over a decade of failure for this to catch. But 356 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: even the reference doesn't make sense that. Yeah, the aspect 357 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: of like Trump being like such a bumbastad figure also 358 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: playing into it too, because you know, surely, like Bill 359 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: Gates is a famous, rich guy, but he didn't get 360 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: as many shoutouts or like comparisons or things like that 361 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: as Trump because he's not like showy. Yeah, that's a 362 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: good point. That's a good point. Yeah. I know hip 363 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: hop is supposed to be inclusive and everybody can get 364 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: in and YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, all that all that 365 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: ship I'm saying. So I guess the thing's just like disheartening. 366 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: The lesson that I don't think is being learned because 367 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: maybe it's just some ship that only I'm thinking about, 368 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: but is who we let into hip hop and how 369 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: this Donald Trump situation is not the first time that 370 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: some body fake in the funk, got open arms, embrace, 371 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: and then flipped around on the other side and turned 372 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: it turned out to not even be not a decent person, 373 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: not be for the culture. Like nothing, know what I'm saying, 374 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Like I look at Donald Trump's fall from grace, no 375 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: different than Kid Rocks. You feel what I'm saying. But 376 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who listen to mainstream hip 377 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: hop who, like I'm pretty sure, don't give two funks 378 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: about the people making it or anybody that looks like though, no, yeah, 379 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a college town that we're in 380 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: right now, and like you definitely see like hoisted pickup trucks, 381 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, Magga Hat asked, Motherfucker's out here and the 382 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: newest Mego song. I just feel like, obviously there's nothing 383 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: anybody can do to change the path. But in hindsight, 384 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: you know the fact that there's no self reflection as 385 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: to like, damn, you know what wasn't about what I 386 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: was doing that would have made a motherfucker like that 387 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: feel comfortable? Because what do you what do you see 388 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: as the deal breaker for Trump and hip hop? I 389 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think you can ask me that 390 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: question because I feel like we should have been not 391 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: fucking with him all along. I agree, No, I agree 392 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: for you. So I'm not talking about you personally. Yeah, 393 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking about what what do you see like? Because 394 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: obviously there's a switch right like Trump has been he's 395 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: been doing he's been being Trump and doing all of 396 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: his Trump things and having all of his Trump is 397 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: um and then in hip hop was this I'm doing 398 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm living. It's always I'm living like I'm with um, 399 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm getting money like Trump. That 400 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: they're staying in Trump hotels, they're well known, like him, 401 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: they're saying to the black version of him. And so 402 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Trump has represented as an expiring example of wealth and 403 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: success and that and something they want, someone they want 404 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: to be close to, whether socially or in terms of 405 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: emulating that success. If there was a switch to where 406 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: it was just universally fuck Donald Trump. What aspect of 407 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump do you think is the deal breaker? It's 408 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: hard to say, because I mean, like its latest two 409 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen jaw Rule was saying not even like 410 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: rapping about Trump, but saying things like Trump is very entertaining. 411 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: He speaks very openly and candidly about what he feels. 412 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a breath of fresh air. Right, And 413 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: so there was already this undercurrent of like questioning the 414 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: belonging of African American folks in this country, and like, yeah, 415 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, let's not forget about all of the housing 416 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: discrimination stuff back in five. I think it's overt racism 417 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: is the deal breaker. To me, that's very easy. I 418 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: think there's a lesson to be learned from that. We 419 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: all look at Donald Trump now, we're like, wait a minute, 420 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: this guy's a fucking idiot, right, like like he doesn't 421 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: know anything, He's dumb, Like why is he always lying 422 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: all the time in abloviate like like this is really 423 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: like damn, who the fund shoul for anything that this 424 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: guy was saying. You know, That's how we look at 425 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: him now, And she's like that. But the thing is 426 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: he's always been that. So if the only different factor 427 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: is that he came down the escalator and said that 428 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: Mexicans are rapists, ah, Like we don't like that ship. 429 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Everything else we were cool with, you know what I'm saying, 430 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Like all the other ship, all the like crooked dealings 431 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: and moralistic selfishness, misogyny, like all that ship. It's like, 432 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when I think of all of the things 433 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: that I think are bad about Donald Trump, when I 434 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: go down the list, there would be like two or 435 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: three things that would come out that I would imagine, 436 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: like that, why is anybody funk with this person? And 437 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: racism comes in a like number three or two? Do 438 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying? Period? But I think that 439 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: if there was a Donald Trump, or if there was 440 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: an alternate reality where Donald Trump didn't come down the 441 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: escalator and say that Mexicans are rapists, I have a 442 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: hard time imagining a reality where you would not see 443 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot of your favorite mainstream rappers at the Mcarellies. 444 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: I fell you on that. I feel you on that. Yeah, 445 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: So I think you're making a good point. But like, 446 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: the thing that I really wonder in these times is that, Okay, 447 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: rappers have been trash talking Trump since seventeen, But what 448 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: are rappers gonna do? Like? Are they gonna mobilize people 449 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: to vote? Are they gonna come out and endorse candidates? 450 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: Are they gonna campaign for candidates? Are they gonna benefit 451 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: conference constants for candidates? Like? What are what are we 452 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: going to do? What are they going to do? I 453 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: don't even think that we necessary. That isn't a must 454 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: that rappers go out there and necessarily speak on behalf 455 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: of like a candidate or anything like that. But going 456 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: we had like the we had like jay z and 457 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: like Beyonce indorsed Obama and and but when when jay 458 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: z or endorsed the Hillary Clinton, what did he say 459 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: when he did it? Said something to the effect of, now, 460 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: I got no problem with Trumph. He's a nice guy, 461 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: but like Hillary Clinton. You know what I'm saying, It's like, nah, man, 462 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: obviously we you know, I'm kind of passionate about this, 463 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: and I'm totally open to being wrong, But I feel 464 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: that for thirty years hip hop has been like yo, 465 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I gotta get mine flash 466 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: flash Flash. We've been putting it out there and it's 467 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we're living in in woke times and more 468 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: aware times where people were more aware and more you 469 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it doesn't mean that shipped 470 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: from the past is like bad, but I would think 471 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: that people would want to reflect this like damn you 472 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: know what, like maybe maybe we have some sort of 473 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: like responsibility to take this guy down like a particular responsibility, 474 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: Like we have some some of the burden on our 475 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: filders of the guilt the past. We have to patone 476 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: for our previous actions by like doing something about the situation. 477 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Everybody who everyone who works at the crew of the 478 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Apprentice television show I feel, feel the exact same way. 479 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: It's like, yo, man, we was working on making this 480 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: type of ship like mad regular. You know what I mean, 481 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: to normalize, you know what I'm saying, And now that 482 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: doesn't seem cool anymore. So people who worked on that 483 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: show should be dropping all those like tapes that no 484 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: one is seen yet. I think rappers should. Rappers should 485 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: make more of an effort if they feel this way. 486 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: If they don't feel that way, then it's different. But like, 487 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: if there are things that you recognize in Trump and 488 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: Trump is m that like you see is like yo, 489 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: that's like a whack way for people to be, then 490 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: you should speak on it and speak on it in 491 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: your music because more people are going to hear that 492 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: than they're gonna hear any interviews that you did. Right, 493 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: they might see on like Billboard or Rolling Stone that 494 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: you endorse someone one time in their feet, but they're 495 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: gonna listen to that song in their car exact day, 496 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: and that's what's gonna drive people out to vote. That's 497 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: when it's gonna embraise critical consciousness about the issues. So 498 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's what we need to do. Remains to 499 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: be seen if it will see it, But we can 500 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: only hope. The only hope it only man. I would 501 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: kill to go to see like a hip hop show. 502 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: I would kill because like I've been seeing online that 503 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: like Bernie is having these like yeah yeah, and like 504 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: I would love, I would love to see, you know, 505 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: Cardi B is probably gonna do. I would, I would, 506 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I would go see Cardi B. And Bernie Sanders. That's 507 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: the thing about like hip hop and politics. It's just 508 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: like so much of the music doesn't like match, doesn't 509 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: those hand in hand. It's fine. I think the more 510 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: we encourage people to see that, like you can turn 511 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: up and twork on the weekend and fulfill your civic 512 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: duty and vote like it doesn't have to. It's not 513 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: like you're not that kind of personal, that kind of 514 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: thing because you are into a certain kind of music. 515 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: It's been too long that like we've carved out this 516 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: space in between those identities were like, oh I am 517 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: that I go to the club. That other ship is 518 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: not for me. We need to start normalizing, like both, yes, 519 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: twere your ass off, get down and go fucking vote. 520 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it's just funny. I'm just saying, like, 521 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: no one can say that it's not funny, Like it's 522 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: not funny. Well, by the time you guys are hearing this, 523 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: um there's no telling. But it could be. It could 524 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: be either on the eve of this ship popping off, 525 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: or it could be while the primaries are still going on. 526 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: But vote, you know what I'm saying, or at least 527 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: at least speak up. You know what I'm saying. Ship, Yeah, 528 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: vote and be a vote multiplier. Tell your roommates, tell 529 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: your friends. I don't know where squally are the roommates 530 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: stands politically about it. You bet your ass. I'm gonna 531 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: get his asked to go vote. So let's let's maybe 532 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: get into talk about some of these pre two fifteen references. 533 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: One of the earliest mentions, as we kind of touched 534 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: upon earlier, was um BC Boys track Johnny Ryo of 535 00:31:52,760 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: the album Paul's Boutique. But I think Donald Tramp was 536 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: supposed to be like some like comic coal version in 537 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: the song, so he's talking about Johnny Ryle running around 538 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: just doing crazy ship He's lives in the street. It's 539 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: a rockabilly star for the days of old. You just 540 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: have teeth off field with gold um. But then they 541 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump and Donald Tramp living in the 542 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: men shelter. What are bread bag shoes and singing helter 543 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: skelter he asked for? Don't let you know what's for? 544 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: Man Botley always needs more. So, I mean, I don't 545 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: really it's not really clear what It's not really clear 546 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 1: to me what Donald Trump is doing in this song 547 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: other than the fact that the Men Shelter is um 548 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: okay homeless shelter in Brooklyn that provides temporary emergency housing 549 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: for um single men who are diagnosed with mental illness 550 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: and substance abuse, which I think those two uh qualifiers 551 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: might have applied. I think in that context is just 552 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: as a pop cultural figure, just pop culture bigger. Yeah, 553 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean I want to read too much into the 554 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: like I mean a lot of these are because of that. 555 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's I don't think it's 556 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: something that doesn't lend itself to be read into you 557 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I definitely think there's room 558 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: to read into it too much in a good way though, 559 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: like in a way that we should be reading into it. 560 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: But on their end, like I said, Donald Trump has 561 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: been at this point and this is what's so fucking 562 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: sad about it. And I'm glad that we're getting this 563 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: episode out of the way so that we don't something 564 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: about truple. But it's just like, as a figure, Donald 565 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: Trump has been present and constant in American life for 566 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: so long, you know what I mean, Then it just 567 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: makes sense that it's just like he comes up as 568 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: a default thing that you think of when you're trying 569 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: to make a certain point when you're a lot of 570 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: these rhymes, they don't have a very like they don't. 571 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: They're not like talking about him at length any of 572 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: his qualities or qualifications as a popular, powerful person. That's it. 573 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all the only context. Yeah, scarface and 574 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: money and power jobs in nigger rolling haunts back in 575 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: paper like uh you g k pocket full of Stones 576 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: that I love that song dicking lick just to get 577 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: up bump black Sea. The Niggers called me black Trump. 578 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: No one calls you that. First of all, no one 579 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: calls you. Then I like, okay, the coup, work yourself, 580 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: this collection day, break yourself Trumps collection. The coup isn't that? Is? That? 581 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: Is that Boots has been? Um I think so I 582 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: do think that's Boots Riley's band. Yeah, so okay, so okay, 583 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: the coup, Well here's that. Break yourself Trump, It's collection day. Okay, listen, No, 584 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: so we have our first example of a negative Trump. Ryan, 585 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: let me hear it. Now the oozy that we're once 586 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: used to kill each other are now used to serve 587 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: and protect the brothers and as sisters because they're packing 588 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: forty five and nine were down for revolution and not 589 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: just for their behind. Because the word is heard across 590 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: the Bay in l A and New York, New York, 591 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: Chicago and Atlanta, GA. We give a fox if you've 592 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: got money in the billions, because I'm because, motherfucker, we've 593 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: got possets in the billion to break yourself Bush, It's 594 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: collection day, Break yourself, Trump, It's collection day, Break yourself. DuPont, 595 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 1: It's collection day. You stole the ship from your grid 596 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: from my great granddaddy. Anyway, So yeah, I mean but 597 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: look at who that is. It's the Coop. I mean, 598 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: it's the cool Yeah. So it's like that that makes 599 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: all the sense in the world. Okay, that's cool. So 600 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: who is the Coup? Just for a little bit of background, 601 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: it's an Oakland, California based hip hop group that UM 602 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: has frontman Boots Riley. As you may know from Uh 603 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Sorry to Bother You fame. UM they have you know, 604 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the music has a critique of capitalism, 605 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: American politics, white patriarchal exploitation. The only reason I'm just 606 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: not as taken aback by it, it's just because it's expected. 607 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: Like if we if we should come across like a 608 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: dead press you know, I don't know if it's in here, 609 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: but if we should come across the dead press one 610 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: and it's a negative one, that would make all the sense. 611 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if it's like your master P has 612 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: like a you know what I'm saying. Oh wait, my 613 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: own master up. Yeah. See like now if Master P 614 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: has said fuck you Trump, fuck you Bush, I got 615 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: a top cocktail. Yeah, I think we could have made 616 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: a difference. Um what do we got? Uh? Ray Kwan 617 00:36:51,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: in cars rated scarface cool g wrap mafioso and I 618 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: said the eight can't stop. You're stopping. I gotta cuss 619 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: off the Trump plub not a lot of people talk, 620 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about wanting to be to 621 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: stay at the City Hotel. I'm in the Trump in 622 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: the Nationale thirty floor is up, Kim, shut up, bitch. 623 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: Two thousand five. Wait, yo, I'm in the Trump in 624 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: the National Dirty flows up paying. Yeah, that's perfect. Kanye 625 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: West two thousand ten, spawn Donald Trump taking Dallas for y'all. 626 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: These are these are the ones that I'm really interested. Okay, 627 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: it's the ones that occur after two thousand ten? Whoa 628 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: waite on tas Ball, after I ain't trying to stand 629 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fighting my blood like down ther Trump? Maybe 630 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: only in reference to the Apprentice? When was that? That 631 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: was two Okay, yeah, that is a reference to the Apprentice, 632 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: But still still right is it's like two thousand twelve 633 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: Obama's running for his second tour. Yeah, the year before 634 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump comes out wild racist birtherism ship right, And 635 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: still we're getting positive references to Donald Trump, like ray 636 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: k the chef, the chef chef take over the world. 637 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: When I'm on my Donald Trump ship Mac Miller Rest 638 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: in Peace two thousand eleven, And I remember watching the 639 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: first birtherism interview, at least one of the first ones, 640 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: Like I was like, I remember avidly watching it on TV, 641 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: is like, oh word, this thing is racist, you know 642 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But again, to me, it's just that's 643 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: just what really solidifies it in my mind that I 644 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: think the visceral reaction to seeing him come down the 645 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: escalator running for president and like kicking off the whole 646 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: thing with like, oh, by the way, the Mexican you 647 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I really think that that 648 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: it was just like the switch of like, oh, yeah, 649 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: we're not fucking you, you know what I'm Yeah, so 650 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: Vader has said then the official end of the era 651 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: of positive Donald Trump references was with how do you 652 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: say this race? Shrimmer, single single up like Trump, which 653 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: was really just before Trump announced his campaign and was 654 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: am positive, What was it? Like? Donald Trump? Okay, I'd 655 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. You know, here we are two tho fifteen, 656 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is running for president. Suddenly there's the escalator moment, 657 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: as you you know noted, and then things then that's 658 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: when you get Kendrick Lamar Black Friday, two thousand fifteen 659 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: of the paget knit that get your did you better 660 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: you put Donald Trump cross free Enterprise? Alway? Is it 661 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: because of rich? And I know what painting is sas 662 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Nick Trump like M Simmerman. No, Donald Trump ain't safe 663 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: on my block? Got your wife Atyehop Davis? Yeah yeah, 664 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: I not my actual favorite though I didn't. I didn't 665 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: know who said that, but like, as I was reading it, 666 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is a New York grapher. Yeah, 667 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: claim you're quicker than yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's like 668 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: I think Trump had uh had probably won the primary 669 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: by that point. I do remember that. I think LP 670 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: has the illest Trump bar. Oh yeah, that's I mean, 671 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: I mean, unless we're going for positive no, no, If 672 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: it's just a reference to Donald Trump, that is the 673 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: coldest bar. Likelier tumble, I like that, that's probably yeah. 674 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: And then of course there's Donald Trump. I y g, 675 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: he's too rich. He got the answers. He came out 676 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: sing his Couch, which was purportedly inspired by Hustle's positive 677 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: experience working with Mexican immigrants the US. I didn't know that. 678 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: Um as many probably know, as includes some sound bites 679 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: of several black protesters who were rejected from a Trump 680 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: rally down Strode from US in Baldosta, Georgia, and they 681 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: actually got called in the secret service to his label, 682 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: def Dam and Lions got blanked out of the song 683 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: so that they could include it on the final coude 684 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: of the album. Yeah, it was definitely an affirmation, you 685 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like a statement type of song. 686 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: It was kind of like a it was it was 687 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: just like a summer jam kind of in the sense 688 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: of like people really real when you can say something 689 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: a phrase and then like just naturally f d T 690 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: is like you know what I'm saying, write ft T. 691 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: Everybody instantly knows what it stands for. It's like you 692 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: did it. You need strong song writing behind making something 693 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: like that happened. And do you think they brought it? Um? 694 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's personally it's not like 695 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: my favorite song, to be honest with you, um, but 696 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: it's not because of anything that they did on the song. 697 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: I just feel again, it's the whole Trump thing. And 698 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: even when the song came out at that point, it 699 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's like for me just personally, it's like, yeah, 700 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: the guys obviously bad so so so the song had 701 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: much more of a like, yeah, I agree guys. The 702 00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: speeds though, you know what I'm saying, we need protest anthems, 703 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: We need stuff for people to rally around. Culturally, I mean, 704 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the link linkages between hip 705 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: hop and like revolutionary culture polytics, because we can rally 706 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: folks too. I don't know, feel a sense of optimism 707 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: about our political situation or you know, have this Catharsis 708 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: around songs like that, even if their content can be trite. 709 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: The only problem with songs like that is just I 710 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: feel in a way they kind of lend power to 711 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: the figure that they're about. It's like it's like increasing 712 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: right name recognition through positive the negative reference. So like 713 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: the if you hear, like you know, if you hear 714 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: someone got arrested for stealing, they just gotta you know, 715 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: but they're later acquitted all your members that they got arrested, 716 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: and so in your mind at the criminals, even if 717 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: the one is negatively referencing a figure, gives that figure 718 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 1: rent free in your head. Yes, yeah, that is true, 719 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,720 Speaker 1: all right. I have a sense that there's forces behind 720 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: trump Ism and maga Ism that are like big and 721 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: diabolical and evil and all that ship. You know what 722 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying, all everyone's fucking worst live nightmare of what 723 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: the fun is going on behind those scenes. Like, but 724 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: then there's also an element to it that's like extremely 725 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: incompetent and like stupid and dumb, you know what I'm saying. 726 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: So there's like an aspect of it that's like damn, 727 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, like if Mussolini had us all under his thumb, damn, Yo, 728 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: fuck Mussolini. I gotta make a song about this motherfucker, 729 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. There's an element of like 730 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: how goofy the Trump is that just like seems like 731 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: man that don't deserve no song about him? Okay, So 732 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean I think we gotta end this, like we 733 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: end everything. Let's kick it. I feel like, all right, 734 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:11,919 Speaker 1: let's do it. Hey, can we gotta beat uh yeah 735 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: yeah yeah uh like fun Dom Trump like fuck Dom Trump, 736 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah it domond Trump's like yo buck Donald Trump, Yo, 737 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: funck Donald Trump and the other man like the government 738 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: and Republicans. I come through motherfucker's tho. I'm smother the 739 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: ring and you know I'm on the board and I'm 740 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: hover ringt Yeah, you know I eat a nice meal. 741 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: I'll show you motherfucker's green new deal. I'll show you 742 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: motherfucker's how I mean you feel you're coming up. But 743 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: your motherfucker's just wearing teal you like a seal hunt 744 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: you for your blubber. I like these motherfucker's just jiggle 745 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: like they flubber. And every time I keep my shirt, 746 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm not usher. I'll put you in a trap like 747 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't goes buster up, won't trust us not. I 748 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: just go and bust until the whole machines busted, rolling 749 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: real cool deeper than the three hundred. Every time I 750 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: grabbed the ship, got a dope sandwich. The needs mustard. 751 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: He's mustard. You must not trust them. They's the government 752 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: and they're coming for your brethren, coming for your mother 753 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: and other other kids. Everybody know that those people in 754 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: the government ain't looking out for you. Instead, they're trying 755 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: to ignore EI. This other exploit you trying to take it, 756 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: and you go to the toilet. Everybody know that they'd 757 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: be toilet. And if you're trying to take your fucking 758 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: soil Everybody wishes that they could get like this rhyme, 759 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: but they cannot because they do not have the zest 760 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: of that line. Little freeze up on the spot on 761 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: my sandwich. Everybody wishes they can handle it, but they can't. 762 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 1: Bitch there. You have to have to understand it otherwise 763 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to can it, and I'm going on 764 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: the planet like not yo. Some makers marking a weather 765 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: take apart your protection. That's the start of a lesson. 766 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: I think you are second guessing drink in front of 767 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: the reverence. That's why I have no adversary. Can't compare 768 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: me to these cherries with their bat vocabulary, want to 769 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: limit what I say. I remember that nickel snap, don't 770 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: care if you're straining over democrat you fake your demo's whack. 771 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: Wait until I get a crack whereever tracks in the 772 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: back of places with better crap. By the way, what 773 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: constitute discussing? I am too discussing when coming through percussion? 774 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: An effusive husband, and I'm a dude when busting. You 775 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: want to hear rhymes and I'm the dude you love it, 776 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm the future cousin. You hardy could rhyme Marty mcflod 777 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: couldn't even see a part of my time. I was 778 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 1: dope when all of y'all was watching Party of Five. 779 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: Not a ladies man, but I bet your daughter with 780 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: grind mom the library skin color. Noble looks folded like 781 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: tiger wings under his over wire, then retired with yes, 782 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: smiling as I passed him as I go to smoke. 783 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: It's my fact, wonder where why the We're the only 784 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: one who's up in Florida. Human novels stacked around. That's 785 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: how what heaven could have faded? I am here the 786 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: only brown wants to be bounding the town that an 787 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: emancipation erab population was white and black people had sharp up. 788 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we left the area. Terror of shas 789 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: trying to scare us off with other came of it 790 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: when never were about the heart of her to misery. 791 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: That's all the earth, the bitter Greek up, the licker 792 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: off Trump Ya, I'm doping with Franka. We're waiting on reparation. 793 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: Hurry up, see you guys next week. Peace. Waiting on 794 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: Reparations is a production of I Heart Radio. 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